(It prolly should be)
#suggestions-discussion
crude geode
dapper coral
~~it really should be, i made it in my ranged playthrough only to find out it was a magic weapon 
~~
crude geode
tbfh the sprite could also just be changed to be more similar to rainbow gun's sprite
and pearlwood bow could be removed because the whole point of rainbow gun is it creating rainbows
wait.
I stg if the reasoning behind prismatic breaker being melee/ranged is bc Cosmic Rainbow has pearlwood bow in it and Cosmic Rainbow looks like a bow? I'm going to scream
also everytime a magic weapon is used in a recipe for ranged, a part of my soul dies
@dapper coral what happens if arche princess never responds btw? Just curious.
dapper coral
then prismatic breaker remains as it is for all eternity
short of balance changes obv
crude geode
that's a bruh moment
byeah prolly
radiant meadow
btw
the donor specifically wanted a ranged weapon
and I already had to negotiate to make the sword a melee weapon (also)
crude geode
hhhhhhh god donors
radiant meadow
so making it not ranged probably won't happen
crude geode
Recipe change is prolly the best I can hope for because including the mage biome weapon in a different typed weapon makes me so frustrated
radiant meadow
thinking back, there will be a conflict regarding that in an update soon™️
so we'll see
crude geode
I can't tell if that's a good thing or not lmao
unreal viper
Question related to a potential sugg:why is ravager a material dump?
radiant meadow
I dunno, he kinda always been like that.
cobalt pewter
To cater to the low% peeps mayhaps™
crude geode
bc ravager's theming already exists in vanilla terraria, in the form of the crimson
cobalt pewter
radiant meadow
(way) Long before the weapons were added, dunno about the accs
crude geode
I personally would like to see a overall of ravager's theme to be based more around armor than flesh, because it would give reasoning to the existence of possessed armor and armored skeletons, and just armored enemies in general.
also @cobalt pewter gave you some feedback regarding your suggestion, just go look at the ping before this one.
cobalt pewter
There's a ping?
Lemme check
Oh yee
Honestly, I don't think the thorns theming suffice enough to make the player lose health
Lucrecia is an example of a weapon that works with reducing hp
crude geode
Then I would actually suggest making it worth the hp reduction, then just straight up removing it tbfh
bc that's the theme of the weapon and the reference in general, so making it more worthwhile would be better.
cobalt pewter
I personally don't know how to make a weapon that reduces health worth it without making it seem op at first glance (e.g. Lucrecia giving iframes on hits)
craggy stratus
Blood boiler ig
crude geode
Leave it up to the devs, and say how the current thorn shots don't do enough to make up for the reduced health
glass sentinel
We don't care how they do it, just that they do it
crude geode
^
Suggestors aren’t expected to come up with genius solutions (it’s why most of the time specific reworks aren’t suggested, besides the fact they’re shut down most of the time for being too specific) @cobalt pewter
cloud atlas
?
zenith hazel
that would be a hard no from me
crude geode
RoD is already pretty broken, and you want a post golem upgrade to it?
cloud atlas
it REALLY isn't
zenith hazel
it really is, especially with a hotkey & it being post-golem
crude geode
You literally get to move a screen away for free.
radiant meadow
Normality Relocator is the only donor item allowed that grants teleportation.
cobalt pewter
RoD is broken, saved by the only fact that you need to hold it
radiant meadow
any new ones will be denied
cloud atlas
Do you not realize that the cooldown is quite miserable?
radiant meadow
a suggestion no less, will not happen
crude geode
The cooldown is completely fair when you realize what you can do with it.
zenith hazel
doesn't make it any less broken, because regardless of there being a cooldown, a teleport from just a hotkey can make or break in a lot of situations
crude geode
^
radiant meadow
and I don't see the issue with transitioning from RoD to NR.
hot zephyr
Le pseudo-SIS has arrived
cobalt pewter
Honestly if you think RoD isn't good enough, I need to say bluntly; you just suck mate. There's no other way around it.
RoD can carry you through the rest of HM, and NR
Boi
That thing is wild
radiant meadow
RoD is already extremely powerful as it stands.
narrow glade
Damn youre rude
radiant meadow
without any upgrades
hot zephyr
RoD is overpowered, NR was a mistake
zenith hazel
indeed
crude geode
RoD is completely busted and vanilla balances it by making it nearly impossible to get
radiant meadow
NR is a mistake but also very clever at the same time.
narrow glade
Its an awesome idea jm
hot zephyr
Delete NR
crude geode
they can play on normal then
narrow glade
im quite terrible at this game, and i think that would be really cool
cobalt pewter
RoD is already more than enough throughout HM
narrow glade
play on normal
radiant meadow
That's not really an excuse to add an extremely powerful item.
crude geode
^
cobalt pewter
And NR is too strong to even exist
narrow glade
yea play on a mode that removes multiple things
cobalt pewter
hot zephyr
...removes?
radiant meadow
And if you have trouble, then you just persevere
hot zephyr
What does Normal remove?
radiant meadow
expert items
cobalt pewter
What does Normal remove?
Fun
zenith hazel
20's still a lot considering it's a RoD with a hotkey
narrow glade
yea
radiant meadow
and the small handful of rev items
zenith hazel
wait lemme rephrase that
narrow glade
i mean
zenith hazel
20 is still overkill considering its benefit
radiant meadow
so no dash phm for example
hot zephyr
That's not "removing", Normal is the baseline. It's just that Expert+ has more things
crude geode
can someone exclaim the sugg please
radiant meadow
not that it's needed
narrow glade
either a 5 second cooldown when you switch to it in your hand
or 20 seconds with a hot key
with most skilled players, that seems like a downgrade
cobalt pewter
If patreon items (which is 50 dollars) already got a tp item ban, I can't imagine on suggestions
zenith hazel
^
hot zephyr
tbh I think that RoD sugg is basically a SiS, literally says the tier, function, and stats of the item
crude geode
the only teleport I would think of would be something regarding a rogue stealth accessory, mainly Bc it’s rogue stealth
cobalt pewter
~~the only teleport I would think of would be something regarding a rogue stealt...
Spectral Veil
whole sedge
a RoD upgrade post-golem is kind of pointless due to an upgrade basically just being one boss away as LC and ML are basically the same boss now plus RoD's already busted for ML no matter how you look at it
glass sentinel
tp items are 
to balance
narrow glade
i was thinking post golem
hot zephyr
What if they just took RoD and NR and make them like super short range lol.
narrow glade
that sounds ok
glass sentinel
please no
crude geode
Bruh moment.
craggy stratus
RoD is to encouraging macro managing or whatever the term is
crude geode
Micro managing.
cobalt pewter
Wilder idea: Make Chaos State instakill the player if they take damage while it's active
daring imp
is it okay if i make a post about my idea for draedon battle?
craggy stratus
And it is hella busted when you know what youre doing
daring imp
;c
cobalt pewter
is it okay if i make a post about my idea for draedon battle?
Nope
hot zephyr
Do you want no-hit balancing? Because that's how no-hit balancing happens
narrow glade
our only thought process was that "switching to it in the hotbar sucks, why not an alternative that has down and upsides"
daring imp
so i should delete it?
cobalt pewter
Devs already got his fight planned out
crude geode
Yeah you should
cobalt pewter
So you don't need to worry about it
glass sentinel
no pbg, i have already told you you cant sugg a specific boss fight
hot zephyr
Boss suggs are banned
daring imp
they can still change it via updates
whole sedge
It's still future content. No.
daring imp
it's not really a new boss suggestion
cobalt pewter
That'll depend on community feedback after he's out
mighty knot
@daring imp that's gonna be a big nope on that suggestion
cobalt pewter
So yeah, no
daring imp
it's a suggestion for an existing boss
zenith hazel
yeah no
glass sentinel
you cannot make a sugg about how a fight will go
daring imp
and i've also based on the plans they made for his battle
glass sentinel
i have told you many times
hot zephyr
whole sedge
(This is basically like the go-to also for "Do not do exactly this")
zenith hazel
yeah no
zenith hazel
yea, draedon will be a new boss
glass sentinel
is it specific
hot zephyr
daring imp
just wanted to feedback it
crude geode
Draedon is not in the game.
glass sentinel
then it is a SIS
zenith hazel
and that's future content
daring imp
yeah but not a new concept of boss
glass sentinel
so its a no
crude geode
Yharim is a planned boss too.
zenith hazel
I
daring imp
i mean
craggy stratus
Wait to try out the boss first
violet dagger
crude geode
Ty Brav 
cobalt pewter
I like the sugg from terracraft
hot zephyr
Wait for Calamity to release Draedon as a boss, and then suggest changes later
summer sentinel
wow brav being so harsh
craggy stratus
Then suggest about it
daring imp
@cloud atlas sry but you gotta wait for post-moonlord
summer sentinel
I'm omw to suggest a change to yharim one second
cobalt pewter
~~wow brav being so harsh~~
As if this is a surprise Lauren smh
hot zephyr
I'm going to suggest Lauren as a boss
cobalt pewter
daring imp
imagine suggesting the lorde back
narrow glade
free platinum
daring imp
how cruel
glass sentinel
i suggest you run away
daring imp
we need seal pet
summer sentinel
I am joking though, thank u Brav very cool
daring imp
how couldn't relogic add it?!
cobalt pewter
instead we have baby shark, very cool
crude geode
Thank you brav very cool 
zenith hazel
why is this discussion still going on in sugg disc
cobalt pewter
Idk
zenith hazel
if you're not going to suggest anything then move
crude geode
Bc sugg discussion is the king of derailed discussions brav
zenith hazel
do that then
summer sentinel
the upgrade to the rod is normality relocator and it being something you get right after ML is justified, rod is powerful enough that it needn't need an upgrade to begin with, but on per request of the donor who did it, NR is the one exception
crude geode
that’s it, we’re done
daring imp
relogic is so stupid 1.4 is just a bunch of copied and pasted additions from calamty such as FtW KS being giant, moonlord's eyeballs no longer only going downward and his lazer passing through walls and EMPRESS OF LIGHT BEING PROVIDENCE
violet dagger
uhhh
daring imp
seal please be in the game
summer sentinel
for terracraft's suggestion, I don't see that being implemented because it just feels a little bit, unneeded? to have the player continuously be risky to almost have more damage output as their HP goes down similar to a boss
cobalt pewter
Lemme check the endgame armors in a sec
crude geode
Melee gets hit a lot, so it really doesn’t make sense that you’d get the most benefits from being full health
hot zephyr
FtW's king slime predates Death's king slime @daring imp
summer sentinel
okay as Brav said, stay on topic of real suggestions and stuff you want to suggest, no more diversions thanks
daring imp
maybe if he pay their patreon, they deserve :>
zenith hazel
@daring imp if you're not going to contribute anything then move to a different channel
crude geode
^
daring imp
FtW's king slime predates Death's king slime <@!274324049868357632>
nah death's king slime also has the crystal that fires frekin 3 projectiles
daring imp
<@!274324049868357632> if you're not going to contribute anything then move to a...
got it
hot zephyr
cobalt pewter
Melee gets hit a lot, so it really doesn’t make sense that you’d get the most be...
Exactly this.
hot zephyr
Funny no-hit balancing
daring imp
class concepts are banned?
zenith hazel
of course
daring imp
;c
cobalt pewter
The auric melee bonus kinda contradicts with the risk melee in general can get imo (if we're talking about true melee, Melee™ have no risks)
hot zephyr
if you're gonna suggest things, you've gotta read the don'ts
daring imp
but will calamity team one day add another class to the game?
zenith hazel
hell no
crude geode
^
zenith hazel
rogue's already a pain in the ass
cobalt pewter
Rogue is already 
daring imp
;c
hot zephyr
Just read the don'ts, c'mon my dude
crude geode
^
daring imp
i'd wish we could use classes from other mods on calamity
hot zephyr
you can
cobalt pewter
Just
zenith hazel
I'm giving you one final warning
cobalt pewter
daring imp
i might have checked it a total of 5 times already
zenith hazel
either suggest something/talk about suggestions, or move.
daring imp
well i don't think if i'm going to contribute anymore so bye
zenith hazel
thank you
daring imp
unless if someone want to talk about any suggestion they have
dim star
listen man, posting suggestions isnt a job for everyone
most of mine were trash
so i just dont post them anymore
no need to get bitter about it
heady storm
Please father fabsol I am begging you
@white patio get rid of this last line; it's unecessary.
white patio
My bad
white patio
> Please father fabsol I am begging you
<@!234149522266259456> get rid of this l...
Kinda tired rn so I forgot about that lol
heady storm
It looks fine otherwise.
heady storm
Go to bed and get some rest now.
white patio
gn
ashen warren
gn
haughty owl
I was about to mention Cryo mispelt Tier in their suggestion
But Cryo probably went to bed
flint fable
I don't think it's even possible to make the abyss deeper, doesn't it already extend to the beginning of hell? the water would evaporate if it went any lower
ashen warren
hell gets flooded :notcoolandgood:
neat wave
Is buffing arcane modifier good idea?
tawny garden
yes
crude geode
I think there might be plans around it
ashen warren
bruh
tawny garden
ashen warren
hover over the text
daring imp
ok so according to the pins there's nothing against new biomes
ashen warren
daring imp
wait where is it?
golden narwhal
Under large-scale
daring imp
oh fk secound pin
ashen warren
lol
daring imp
i was thinking about an underground draedon lab area that would only be acessible after defeating draedon and just like the dungeon and the temple it's a new biome with unique enemies and resources in it
but yeah, not gonna happen
golden narwhal
At least you didn't write a whole paragraph before realising it i think 
earnest cape
:stare:
sharp prism
@ashen warren dont do 1.4 suggs yet
ashen warren
sorry mate forgot
sharp prism
np
ashen warren
it shall be saved to the perfect time
earnest cape
just save the post and post it when 1.4 comes for tmod
sharp prism
put it on a google docs or something so you can re sugg in 1.4
ashen warren
already done thank you
how about a earth elemental summon
whats that?
you know the earth ele
yes that hardmode miniboss?
that one
make it so you can summon it like the cloud ele
like cloud element accessory?
yeah
yeah why not suggest it
but do it like everyone else
wt
tawny garden
kinda specific
ashen warren
kinda specific yes
sand umbra
@ashen warren your sugg could use a little more reasoning, methinks
I wholeheartedly support the push for Earth Elemental rights but you gotta be tactical about how you suggest it
cobalt pewter
^
I think there's another sugg about it a while back?
Idk how it fares now
Not that you should yeet this one, just needs to be a bit more detailed about how you want it go
sharp prism
now you somehow made it more specific
cobalt pewter
Hhhhhhngg
@ashen warren refrain from specific remarks like the drop rate you mentioned, try checking pins for suggestion guidelines
meager tangle
Well, what’s the point of having an earth elemental summon? It’s not a boss and it doesn’t have any really useful drops
It’s just kind of there
cobalt pewter
Cloud Elemental and Sand Elemental aren't bosses either
And Cloudy barely has anything worth noting
cobalt pewter
meager tangle
I thought he meant a summon to spawn it
daring imp
before posting my suggestion
everyone agrees that valkyrie ray should have auto attack?
it's a very decent weapon but the fact of not having auto attack makes it somewhat difficult and annoying to use
cobalt pewter
First off, it's probably the more unique "rays" in the Vivid Clarity line
Second off, you can try sure
hardy dock
@mint orchid this suggestion is bad. Why would you move the item in progression anyway? It’s fine as is. Additionally, other characters have their items spread out in progression, why can’t Daedalus?
Also, there are a lot of Calamity weapons at a similar point with a higher dps
tawny garden
+The stormbow was nerfed in vanilla 1.4
Or will be nerfed
Depends on how you look at it
sand umbra
was nerfed
it's not a "depends on how you look at it" thing, 1.4 already happened and as such you use past tense
"but Thomas tML hasn't upda--"
that's correct. it's also not a valid point. vanilla 1.4 still happened and pretending it didn't is only going to end in more disappointment than 1.4 originally brought on
tawny garden
That's fair
hollow sierra
if stormbow is too strong now, you could probably nerf it a bit and then make a modded version that requires cryonic bars and the og
that could also let you make the bow more interesting
tawny garden
btw
is going to end in more disappointment
I was fine with 1.4
Apart from luck and wasted potential in master mode
hollow sierra
is master mode wasted because it doesn't have enough exclusive content or what's the deal with that opinion
could you then also not say revengeance mode is wasted because all it adds is the same things as master mode
tawny garden
It didn't change pretty much anything and was pretty much stat bloat
Anyway, that's for #calamity-mod-talk
cobalt pewter
I'd suspect one of the other reasons for the retier sugg is because of the theming, I guess?
hollow sierra
master should really have had FTW's boss mechanic changes, oh well 
and yeah, why is the cryonic armor called daedalus anyway?
hot zephyr
like Darkecho Greatbow isn't way better than Stormbow anyways
hollow sierra
seems slightly contrived
cobalt pewter
I feel like it's more theming than anything else
The other reasons seem
A bit weak for me
hollow sierra
storm bow + cryonic bars = daedalus blizzard bow 
pine star
Iirc Daedalus armor is called that because it was made first by Daedalus
Lore wise, every cryonic bar weapon was made by Daedalus
sand umbra
lore-wise, Daedalus is long dead and you're just using the metal that he had 50 billion years ago or w/e to make some random weaponry
gray nebula
good point except : astral infected variant of every other mob now
dapper coral
i see no reasoning here other than (kind of???) lore and "why not," which is not good enough
sleek turret
bundle of legs? this is getting uhh, specific I think?
ashen warren
sounds broken
sleek turret
Yep.
violet dagger
SIS moment
sleek turret
@near ore could you Shift + Enter the header? Since it separates the reason from the title.
sleek turret
header
reason
near ore
oh ye
sleek turret
alright, anyways im 
ing.
back to the suggestion itself, uhh, I think its broken.
at all because on pre-hm you either sacrifice something for another thing.
hot zephyr
bundle of legs? That's just MOAB with extra steps
sleek turret
^
ashen warren
MOAB cucks your vertical acceleration or something
hot zephyr
BoB is already a must so adding frog leg just means you have another free acc slot in pre-hm. broke
moab > all wings in hardmode
ashen warren
BoB + all jump accessories >
sleek turret
Hover wings
ashen warren
no
hot zephyr
silence, kaizo
sleek turret
:boohoo:
lusty iris
hover wings vs ravager kek
sleek turret
(they still suck!)
lusty iris
yes
all hail jump god
but I will use hover to cheese ravager because I hate that fight lol
sleek turret
frog leg + BoB is literally MOAB without the jetpack.
rose jewel
ngl bundle of legs is a really concerning name for something
ashen warren
bundle of legs. more legs
sleek ore
cursed accessory
tawny garden
Bundle of legs is just [[tgc:Moon Lord Legs]]
red stormBOT
tawny garden
And just as cursed
mighty knot
@rocky hatch thank you, I was gonna suggest this~~ but all of my suggestions get really low star counts~~
summer sentinel
combining frog legs and BoB into one basically negates the need for any wings until postml, considering how people use BoB up until mid hm or further
rocky hatch
<@!684991731321536561> thank you, I was gonna suggest this~~ but all of my sugge...
glad i'm not the only one 🙂
tawny garden
Oh god another buffslot sugg
whole sedge
@pure lily Lan's Unlimited Buffslots is a thing. Use it if you want more.
sleek turret
But suggestions are uhh, inside the Calamity terms, and not other mods terms.
zenith hazel
yeah, why not use other mods instead?
slapping more buffs would inevitably cause balancing problems
then people would minmax their shit even more
then people would complain even more
pure lily
thanks!
zenith hazel
tl;dr no
tawny garden
The only reason suggs that are already implemented in other specialized mods aren't a don't yet is because Rover refuses to accept that they're bollocks
zenith hazel
@near ore as mentioned above, combining frog leg and BoB would be super broken for pre-hardmode, maybe even hardmode due to the absurd amount of mobility you can get
hell, even BoB itself is overkill for pre-hm imo
so you'd have to provide a better reason
near ore
fair
zenith hazel
as for valkyrie ray
@hearty yew you made it, can you explain why it doesn't autofire?
dire loom
but bundle of legs would be funny
sleek turret
No.
whole sedge
zenith hazel
so is halibut cannon but as you can see, it's broken as hell!
sleek turret
You can't approve a suggestion for the sake of 'funny' or a reference.
sand umbra
Rule of Funny doesn't work in suggs
it works as a developer but when you're not a developer it just sorta
falls flat
zenith hazel
and unlike bundle of legs, not everyone is gonna go for halibut
literally everyone would resort to bundle of legs because of the insane mobility potential
hot zephyr
iirc Brav valkyrie ray is not autofire as a "downside" over other mage weapons
summer sentinel
valkyrie ray is pretty strong for when you get it so I can see why it's not autofire, but of an inconvenience but not terrible
dapper coral
probably onyx blaster-esque in that regard, it's good af but you gotta destroy your mouse for it
violet minnow
plus if you want auto swing just use omni swing mod
hot zephyr
tbh I think that not being autofire isn't really a "downside" but just an annoyance
violet minnow
true
unreal viper
I agree with Ian.
rose jewel
“clicker class”
weak field
And what do you mean by that?
mossy badge
golden narwhal
what would the sprite look like
hot zephyr
leg
sharp prism
the sugg in #suggestions-voting is a bluecheck #suggestions-voting message
crude geode
it’s only a blue check if it’s been delivered
whole sedge
That wasn't sent to the dev server though
tranquil perch
fuck i just reliazed i edited my suggestion wrong now it says "tageting enemies them" instead of "targeting enemies below them"
tawny garden
hot zephyr
I want to make a buff sugg for a certain pre-hardmode perforator yoyo but I'm not sure if it'll be tweaked in 1.5
tawny garden
@ Brav iirc
hot zephyr
why the fuck does Cnidarian's projectiles do 75% of it's weapon damage but Aorta's only do 25%
radiant meadow
Cnidarian might be nerfed
hot zephyr
Buff Aorta
Cnidarian ain't even that strong compared to other weapons of similar tier
Like... Starfury is way better than Cnidarian and is not only easier to use and acquire, but doesn't require an acc slot to be spent
glass sentinel
@summer sentinel i agree with the sugg, but maybe not bandit, mebbe merchant as bandit sells rouge only stuf
summer sentinel
I thought about merchant since sharpening station is pre-boss, but any npc works, bandit just seems a bit more specialized to have it
glass sentinel
thats fair enough ig
leave it to the devs
We don't care how they do it; just that they do it
summer sentinel
also the limitation of: you'd just buy the station from the merchant and then have 0 reason to explore jungle for it, so it being locked behind something is a bit more idealistic
summer sentinel
bit too late, crystal ball is already locked after wof
summer sentinel
ranger box is pre-boss, bandit selling sharpening + witch doctor selling bewitching @ same time post-skele is a good parallelism effect
summer sentinel
dryad could sell it since she's sort of nature-esque and since the station is in the jungle, that'd work as well if bandit is a bit too far
summer sentinel
trying to limit uncontrollable rng like that since it's a toss up on whether you get it or not, I find sharpening station more imperative than ammo box is
glass sentinel
thats fair
summer sentinel
you get 10 armor penetration versus that of 20% less ammo consumption where the latter doesn't effect your dps, but the former does
glass sentinel
new york? whats with that
i mean in a normal playthrough ammo is very tight
most of the time
dapper coral
bandit just seems a bit more specialized to have it
...yeah, but it's the wrong specialization
i'd probably say merchant or something instead, or you could just say to make it be sold by some npc post-skelly without specifying an npc
summer sentinel
it's not that tight, I'd say,, ammo reservation pots exist, just fishing is something someone would do, the only hard ammo to get early game is probably jester arrows due to fallen stars not being 1.4 vanilla drop rate
glass sentinel
lets add a whole new npc
cobalt pewter
Fun Fact: Merchant sells Sharpening Station in 1.4 HM
glass sentinel
YAY
summer sentinel
perhaps superballs I think? the ones that take victory shards
hardmode? that's a bit too late
I suppose it works for vanilla but for cal? doubtful
cobalt pewter
It can be found in Underground Cabins in the Underground Jungle. On the Desktop version Desktop version, it can also be purchased from the Merchant for 10 Gold during Hardmode.
summer sentinel
@dapper coral the issue for merchant is what I said above^ it'd just ignore jungle exploration entirely
cobalt pewter
Note that 1.4 Sharpened is like
dapper coral
so then make it be sold post-skelly instead, is what i also said
cobalt pewter
Triple its amount in tmod
dapper coral
and just don't mention a specific npc
summer sentinel
you could say the same thing for bewitching tables post skeletron yes, but people explore the dungeon more than the jungle usually due to dungeon's more smaller and confined space
I mention bandit since it seems like something she'd sell, piling on both stations on say the witch doctor seems a bit, redundant? also the bandit was more of an idea in the header, any npc can work
dapper coral
so what i'm saying is, since it has come up that the bandit would, in fact, not be a good npc to sell it because she specializes in rogue specifically, just remove her from the title to avoid further confusion
summer sentinel
I suppose, I'll throw it into the suggestion itself then
cobalt pewter
iirc Sharpened doesn't affect rogue weapons yes?
summer sentinel
no, it doesn't affect them
but there will eventually be a rogue buff station I believe
dapper coral
soon™️
summer sentinel
the comical god slayer inferno flasks
cobalt pewter
Calamity flasks
unreal viper
Never get used because ichor is still better somehow
neat wave
Will calamity nerf frog leg?
dapper coral
CI is better than ichor on rev+, yea
cobalt pewter
They'd probably murder Amphibian Boots for all we'd know
dapper coral
forget why but they're very close
cobalt pewter
kek
cobalt pewter
forget why but they're very close
Because DR reduction is just simply better than flat def reduction later in the game?
cobalt pewter
And the role of flat def reduction is already replaced by RTN post polter
neat wave
even with death mode DoG
whole sedge
Read don'ts
cobalt pewter
read pins next time
summer sentinel
I'll remove the suggestion since bosses are already planned and set in stone for their progression order and what bosses they are
summer sentinel
the lorde was a meme boss though, it didn't hold anything tot he main "story line" to lore and yeah that's fine, just make sure to read pins to be more acquainted to the rules n stuff
lament plume
Ok, I will
I thought that the sprite, despite the face, was actually pretty sick. I thought with some fine tuning, and some adding of movement to the sprite, it might look pretty good for him
And again, thanks
cobalt pewter
You can worry about Yharim when he's already playable
But for now, leave it be yes
cobalt pewter
cobalt pewter
👋
hot zephyr
@summer sentinel The sharpening station is in jungle planetoid's chest
lament plume
I’ll be back
hot zephyr
Otherwise tbh I think it should be craftable with wood, iron and shizz
summer sentinel
yes, but it's still limited by how many exist in the world while the other 3 stations are not dependent on their existence that can limit the players
summer sentinel
consistency: the other 3 aren't craftable, so this one logically shouldn't be, but exceptions can be made, up to the devs on this
hot zephyr
Don't ask for consistency in Terraria
It's not real
If we're going for consistency, we'd need a Rogue station as well but we don't
cobalt pewter
Beehive Planetoid to be exact
ancient crow
just add it to the travelling merchant pool
hot zephyr
We need to remove Travelling Merchant from existence
cobalt pewter
Yes
hot zephyr
Timegated shit in Terraria? No
ancient crow
timegated shit? nah, merchant is timegate AND rng
hot zephyr
Give Ammo box to arms dealer post skeletron
cobalt pewter
Sugg it
summer sentinel
but there will eventually be a rogue buff station I believe
from earlier Ian
cobalt pewter
hot zephyr
10 bucks it's stealth based
summer sentinel
that’s a core mechanic of the class, so it’s entirely plausible
ancient crow
it just gives you the Invisibility effect
foggy plover
Fuck
hot zephyr
sammyclassicsonicfan "like sonic" but it's the calamity devs saying "please use stealth"
foggy plover
lol health reduction already got reduced on thorn blossom
cobalt pewter
Still 5 hp according to wiki at least, same as Lucrecia, imma ask any of the editors to check source?
foggy plover
nah it must not be in public yet then
cobalt pewter
Ah
foggy plover
im too late anyways lol
cobalt pewter
hot zephyr
How's my sugg?
cobalt pewter
Yeah it's cool
hot zephyr
Literally the other three classes get DPS buffs, ranger gets a QoL buff
cobalt pewter
ranger has already op dmg anyways
cobalt pewter
Indeed
hot zephyr
and tbh the ammo box is a waste of a buff slot anyways
cobalt pewter
With the power of modding, honestly you might not even need any ammo usage reduction
hot zephyr
god I wish Calamity had like... 6-8 buff slots but massively increase the strength of potions so they're more like mini-accessories
instead of filling up your inventory with bullshit
potions made a lot more sense in 2011 Terraria because there was like only a handful of them
Now they're coming out of the ass
cobalt pewter
Hell, ammo in general is an already arbitrary system that does nothing to ranger aside for them to find smth to grind
cobalt pewter
ranger is dumb in general
hot zephyr
fuck it, have like three buff slots
make them actually feel like potions and not liquor shots
then give potions actual tiers that fit in with progression
cobalt pewter
I shredded like, the most of cal phm with just star cannon and some archerfish vs SG
pine star
And then Chloro Bullets introduce themselves
sharp prism
the cap is 550 lol
golden narwhal
Yes
You get 350 from perma upgrades
Then the sugg says you can only get 200 more
It's suggesting to raise that extra to ~350
glad tundra
the cap is 500 lol its already pretty high but i agree as playing mage alot 500 mana endgame isnt that good for boss fights as you will have mana sickness every like 5 seconds
craggy stratus
Mana regen potion exists
crude geode
arcane sucks already Bc menacing exists.
Raising the mana cap doesn’t do shit to make it comparable to warding or menacing.
daring imp
i can't wait for my suggestion of valkyrie ray having auto attack getting on voting channel
real steppe
Everybody agrees that arcane needs a buff but nobody agrees about what buff should it get
cobalt pewter
fingers crossed menacing will be nerfed in 1.5, due to the poll
crude geode
People suggested mana usage reduction which I’m fine with
daring imp
they better make mana cloak part of etheral talisman once the game updates to 1.4
not just part of the recipe but also it's effect being part of the talisman
crude geode
People who say that raising the mana cap will make it useful forget the fact that having more max mana doesn’t mean shit.
daring imp
i think the max mana possible is already insane
cobalt pewter
What (how)
unreal viper
Mana regen scales based on current mana
real steppe
Is it even possible to make the other modifiers comparable to menacing?
daring imp
yes
unreal viper
Yes
daring imp
mana regen is very pee pee poo poo
daring imp
only regenerates if you have mana regen potion
unreal viper
Yes which is what everyone generally uses
crude geode
^
cobalt pewter
Menacing nerf inbound tbh iirc ngl imo
real steppe
I feel like Mana Regen Potion is too good
unreal viper
Menacing should be even with lucky
cobalt pewter
I feel like Mana Regen Potion is too good
Because it is
unreal viper
Try sugging a nerf, see where that gets you
crude geode
in what way is it too good?
unreal viper
You basically need mana pots or mana regen potions to function as a mage which is kinda dumb
real steppe
That potion is usable from King Slime to SCal (gotta admit this is a very weak reason)
cobalt pewter
Mage is too reliant on pots ye
crude geode
archery pot is usable from king slime to SCal what’s your point there
unreal viper
Since mana regen pots are so my h better it basically demands that you constantly chug potions
cobalt pewter
Mana Flower only works for 3 weapons in cal + vanilla
unreal viper
Archery potion is also op btw
hot zephyr
Archery and Invisibility Potions: Am I a joke to you?
crude geode
^
hot zephyr
Summoning/Bewitching, as well
cobalt pewter
Archery is plain dumb yes
crude geode
Rage and Wrath Potions: Do I not exist or something?
cobalt pewter
Not only it's gross arrow dmg bosst
It's also used into the equation after everything else
So yeah, the bonus is considerably b i g
Methinks cal planned to kill archery pots
Mentioned somewhere
Can't recall where
crude geode
Personally, the max mana limit is already really high tbfh.
cobalt pewter
crude geode
I don’t see the point in raising the limit. Just nerf the sources of Max mana if it’s that stupid.
and just...give magic an actual set of modifiers instead of a single one
but there’s already a sugg about fixing that
cobalt pewter
I'd say remove the tiers ye
The tiers are dumb
trying hard not to rant about Red's design choices byeah
crude geode
Red bad yes
cobalt pewter
Personally just 1 accessory modifier per type suffices imo
With these tiers, not only it'd just be polluting the pool, people would automatically go for the best one
So what's the point of tiering them in the first place
crude geode
Mhm
I don’t even think adjusting them is really necessary
Shit is already balanced around the max tier of modifiers
cobalt pewter
Well the adjusting would really depend on the devs byea
crude geode
...why is there a hardcap to mana bonuses in the first place?
foggy plover
hardcap is vanilla
probably some random spaghetti from 1.0 but
not sure anyone knows
sturdy geyser
unreal viper
Trans bee
dapper coral
what is this, the 4th time now?
crude geode
something like it
heady storm
5th** actually.
Instantly approve if you want, considering the amount of times it has been suggested.
dapper coral
i also forget what the consensus was when mrrp did a funny and had no reasoning
cobalt pewter
A wholly different formatting for emote suggs?
heady storm
Emote suggestions just don't require any reasoning.
crude geode
Should it be added to frequently suggested, along with earth elemental accessory/being added to HoTE
cobalt pewter
Anyway, I was about to ask, why did this get flagged? If it's being worked on, shouldn't it get 🛠️
heady storm
As in it's currently being implemented, not a "to do."
dapper coral
Emote suggestions just don't require any reasoning.
not required, or should not have?
heady storm
Not required.
dapper coral
either way i think this can be passed immediately considering it's been like this many times
okay cool
summer sentinel
@marble hazel good suggestion I'd say
marble hazel
i mean who cares if it has reasoning or not tbh...
i just added a reasoning so that people who'd read it might get a grasp on why im sugging it
summer sentinel
by "passed immediately" do you mean your implementation on it right now Demik?
dapper coral
ima say tho, at this point if it doesn't make it you may as well write it off as never
no, to voting lauren
summer sentinel
That was my second guess but the wording was a tad ambiguous
heady storm
Inb4 fictional mod vote to finally secure it.
marble hazel
~~ima say tho, at this point if it doesn't make it you may as well write it off ...
never! alpee entrusted me the peepoweird sugg
dapper coral
lmao i don't have the authority to just add an emote without proper community consensus, lauren
hearty yew
<@!146333264871686145> you made it, can you explain why it doesn't autofire?
iirc it would suddenly fire in the wrong direction when auto firing
there was some distinct reason
it conflicted with the charging
cobalt pewter
fossil mural
Is it just me or do I want the lil plague bringer from the set bonus of plaguebringer armor as a pet or something so I can still have it when I’m not summon or later in progression
zenith hazel
iirc it would suddenly fire in the wrong direction when auto firing
by that logic, is the autofire valkyrie ray suggestion technically invalid or have you found a way to work around that since then?
zenith hazel
I see
cobalt pewter
cobalt pewter
That's the uh
Ancient Vision
@ashen warren Ancient Vision*
Not Ancient Doomsayer
sand umbra
Ancient Visions are right bastards
dry lantern
hopefully i didnt break any rules with my entry
cobalt pewter
I already had the same vision, that by making Raider's Talisman rapidly decay when not dealing any damage, at exchange of making it generate way faster
Byeah, Raider's Talisman is dum
dry lantern
imo rogue is kinda underwhelming
dry lantern
stealth is practically a nonfactor, idk if that ever changes
i would love to see stealth strikes be viable
cobalt pewter
You're talking to the right guy
Byea
Stealth is still relatively a side thing atm, tho it's workable throughout most of the run to use only stealth
dry lantern
probably less powerful though
dry lantern
i only have i think 150 hours on the mod as a whole so im not the most qualified
cobalt pewter
For example, Skyfin Bomber can be used even to ML, despite it being a post-AS weapon
In exchange, scal for stealth rogue is literally impossible and unfun
dry lantern
wait i didnt even notice your name lmao
cobalt pewter
dry lantern
nychimnotevengonnatrytospellit is kinda dumb though considering it stacks to 10 and is super expensive
at least its not as bad as bananarangs
cobalt pewter
In fact, Nychthemeron is probably the only viable spiky balls to use on stealth, the other being Sticky
Speaking of the sugg
You might need to trim them down
Get to the point and be concise
The first line in brackets can also be removed
I always assume that anyone that reads my sugg are dumbasses, so just make it so that everyone can get it just by reading quickly
cobalt pewter
this is why emote suggs shouldn't exist
and everyone should just pester mrrp with new emotes
tawny garden
It's clear that people don't want it
I vividly remember Rover saying that resuggestions mustn't be excessive
ashen warren
@cobalt pewter I edited it to ancient vision
golden narwhal
Soo.... "it would be cool"?
tawny garden
@ashen warren "(highly cursed idea)" shouldn't ne there
And yeah, add a proper reason
heady storm
@dry lantern @ashen warren both of you can remove the statements in parenthesis, yeah.
(The ones before your headers.)
summer sentinel
@tardy wraith you have to provide reason for your suggestion
golden narwhal
Prolly just forgot shift + enter
summer sentinel
good point, they might yeah MrAsian
tawny garden
There is no linebreak though
golden narwhal
If you're getting one-shot by them, something's wrong with your health
tawny garden
Or your setup
heady storm
Get some health upgrades @tardy wraith.
golden narwhal
Considering they deal a max of 300 damage iirc
summer sentinel
they might be referring to night providence by chance but even then: you don't get one shot via the stars
earnest cape
is it just me or the death mode star speed is easier to dodge than rev stars
golden narwhal
(is kirby's sugg getting exclaimed, since the reasoning is basically "it would be cool")
serene fox
it's also leaning on sis
earnest cape
also doesn't profaned crystal turn you into provi
serene fox
does deathmode change the speed of stars?
golden narwhal
It does
serene fox
it turns you into a mini providence of sorts ye
golden narwhal
Into a smaller ver- yea
earnest cape
does it also turn you into provi in vanity?
serene fox
yes
serene fox
it kinda sounds like that
heady storm
(is kirby's sugg getting exclaimed, since the reasoning is basically "it would b...
Yeah, I don't see why not.
@ashen warren change your suggesion appropriately based on what other people have said earlier.
tawny garden
~~unless they want a full sized provi~~
this sounds cool and awful at the same time
earnest cape
ashen warren
I can't provide a good reason so I deleted the suggestion
earnest cape
tardy wraith
Get some health upgrades <@!168875806846615552>.
i got the max amount of health
ashen warren
but yea i was thinking a full sized prov
serene fox
are you running into multiple stars?
serene fox
they completely ignore i-frames due to how they deal damage
tardy wraith
thats dumb
earnest cape
if you have max amount of stars you should survive 2 stars
(assumed you have cadance)
tardy wraith
ill usually be down a heart or two from the other projectiles
keep note im also in death mode
serene fox
you fighting her at nighttime?
serene fox
m
earnest cape
golden narwhal
i have been consitantly been getting one shot by them
Alter this, since it's wrong
earnest cape
oh
summer sentinel
with that setup: definitely getting one shot by stars can't happen, they do a lot of damage per star yes, so you could suggest a damage nerf to them with proper reasoning
serene fox
well I can see the problem
to an extent
eyeah provi stars ignore absolutely everything
i-frames, DR, defense
tardy wraith
this i the only boss im struggling with xd
i can beat supreme calamitas first try on death mode
serene fox
meaning all of your op gear isn't going to make a difference
summer sentinel
well yeah those aren't the most optimal accessory lineup but it's more than sufficient to survive provi
golden narwhal
Should go into more detail as to why they're bad, since saying you can't dodge them isn't reason enough iirc
ashen warren
are you fighting providence in the hallow or in hell?
ashen warren
oof
dapper coral
Should go into more detail as to why they're bad, since saying you can't dodge t...
seeing as the majority of people don't seem to have this kind of issue with the cocoon stars, i'm inclined to agree
something based purely on anecdotal experience like "i keep dying to this" is not good enough reasoning
heady storm
A reminder that the mod is intended to be difficult.
tardy wraith
seeing as the majority of people don't seem to have this kind of issue with the ...
if you say so
im just gonna skip this boss
and spawn in the loot i need
dapper coral
you do you ¯_(ツ)_/¯
tawny garden
Someone should repost the video that's linked in the latest autoapproved sugg
Into sugg voting
I think
heady storm
Any link that doesn't embed should always be posted in followup, affirmative.
sleek hornet
where can i request a sprite update? the doc said that i should ho to the calamity art server, but i can find it at #other-discords
sleek hornet
ah... thats why i cant find it
frail mantle
also you can suggest sprite changes as long as it's not just "update sprite because sprite looks bad"
for example: you are allowed to suggest things like "resprite [thing] to be more fitting with [other related thing]"
at least i think that's how it works, feel free to yell at me if it isn't
cobalt pewter
So basically if the resprite sugg is just based off quality, don't.
Rather, go for the more technical relations with the sprite and other sprites (theming), for example
real steppe
What happened to the summoner nerf flip sugg?
tawny garden
@near ore you need a reason in the suggestion
near ore
its a really bad explanation lol
essentially boots arent holding up to the seraph+ boots post ml
hollow sierra
not sure if possible, but you could perhaps tie the wing part of tracers to item visibility
and if its off you can equip some other wing
that way you can benefit from only the angel tread parts of the tracers
but that really relies on if you can tie the "this is a wing so no other wings can be equipped" flag that wings have to the visibility toggle
and y'know, bloodflare and godslayer wings need to be a thing so you actually have a meaningful choice to make between tracers and whichever regular pair of wings matches your set
cobalt pewter
Speaking of, I'll need to consider a good rework for Elysian Wings without making it stronger than Aegis
Like
Temp immunity to lava you can already get from tracers
hollow sierra
elysian wings do feel really out of place
cobalt pewter
And it's a niche stat to be put on pure wings either way
Movement speed is a lame stat as well
near ore
In general wings need more attention
distant gyro
I feel like wings are made to be mundane (idk if that's the right word to use) by design
distant gyro
they're like pickaxes and other such tools
and hooks, etc
everything is all the same but follows a certain level of progression
cobalt pewter
But ig I'd also blame cal for trying to make wings distinct, hence I'll cyberbully them into making wings actually unique
now I'm sounding like Thomas, halp
distant gyro
ie. pickaxe power, hammer power (this is bad), axe power (this is worse)
sleek hornet
Actually 40% movemet speed bonus is really good though
pine star
feedza it's ok to sound like thomas
cobalt pewter
sleek hornet
but anyway, most of the time it will have Only An Ingridient in its tag
distant gyro
byeah
I still think seraph tracers are still too good for everything else to compete
cobalt pewter
Indeed
I did sugg about buffing lunar wings to compete (or at the very least, giving them an actual interesting trait)
distant gyro
reminder that
- it's a run speed upgrade
- it's an acceleration upgrade
- it saves an accessory slot
the only "weakness" is that it has average wing time (not even "bad" wing time, average)
unless you legit make lunar wings a class emblem stacked on top of it (or something along the lines) then it will fail to compete
cobalt pewter
I don't mind that tbh
crisp stump
what is the loot from Terminus?
distant gyro
ew, that's gross, and exemplifies the balance curve of postml