#suggestions-discussion

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pale glacier
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But yea I get how complicated writing code for that would be

hollow shell
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m

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btw this sugg by @modern idol died earlier today
Do we think it was fine?

Add the Clockwork Assault Rifle to the recipe of the Clock Gatlignum

It doesn't really make sense for the Clock Gatlignum to have Clock in its name, gears visually present on the sprite, and even fires in 3 round bursts, yet not even have the Clockwork Assault Rifle in it's recipe. The gun shouldn't be too hard to get as you receive it from Wall of Flesh, and the Clock Gatlignum is way past that point in-game.

onyx river
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I mean yeah, makes sense

golden narwhal
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Ye

hollow shell
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aight

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Slab you can repost that whenever you want

tawny garden
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btw this sugg by Slab of Meat died earlier today
I warned you, but you didn't listen

dapper coral
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someone saved it though

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other than rover

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not that that's good, but it's good

tawny garden
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Bluenebula did iirc

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sugg was fine btw

hollow shell
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I'm realizing with greater distress how much the current sugg system relies on me specifically

cobalt pewter
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Yes

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Maybe adding some suggestion keepers would be nice

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essentially your slaves

tawny garden
frail mantle
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i think there was a sugg a while back about adding essentially Trusted roles but only for suggs

cobalt pewter
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Yeah that can work

frail mantle
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(this was before sugg bot existed so its only purpose would be adding stars to valid suggs)

tawny garden
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since the 30th of July, nobody apart from you has approved a sugg

frail mantle
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being both accepted and denied?

tawny garden
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yea, I've never seen that before

cobalt pewter
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@tawny garden they're onto adding the loot to Lihzahrd chests, but they didn't plan to add Lihzahrd crates

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That's what I was informed with

frail mantle
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that's cause they're okay with lihzard chests getting new loot but not lihzard crates

tawny garden
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ah

cobalt pewter
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But mainly the first part matters for me

tawny garden
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still seems weird tho

cobalt pewter
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So yeah, idrc if the crate part of the sugg is a no

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But yea

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It is odd

frail mantle
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byeah more people to approve suggs would be nice

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though new mods are just around the corner so we might get more people to do it then

dapper coral
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I'm realizing with greater distress how much the current sugg system relies on me specifically
well, hopefully whoever the new mods are can help out with this channel a bit more to take some pressure off of you

hollow shell
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Hopefully

cobalt pewter
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I don't know, I haven't seen anyone else but rover approve stuff

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Rarely ben or brav

dapper coral
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spider does sometimes

cobalt pewter
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But most of the time poor rover

hollow shell
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😔

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Speaking of which

tawny garden
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yeah

frail mantle
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aye

dapper coral
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Valid, ye

hollow shell
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Epic

dapper coral
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I just wonder if devs will be too keen on reworking these after they just did iron heart but it is certainly valid

frail mantle
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well it's only reworking the rewards, not the modes themselves

hollow shell
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I am in full support of this reorganization of the mode rewards
(cuz I helped make the sugg)

cobalt pewter
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I am in full support of this reorganization of the mode rewards
(cuz I helped make the sugg)
ech

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But aight

hollow shell
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Especially giving the Defiled rewards to ||Iron Heart||
||Iron Heart is honestly the perfect difficulty to actually add challenge to farming specifically||

cobalt pewter
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Yeah

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I got two hitted everytime in death-||iron|| goblin army

distant gyro
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||Iron Heart's reward rn is triggering special effects like Bloodflare Core HDfailure ||

hollow shell
golden narwhal
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It's valid

tawny garden
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yea

hollow shell
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cool

tawny garden
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it's small

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but I kinda like it for some reason

hollow shell
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It'd be fine if somebody who isn't agergo suggested it

untold cargo
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Why tho everyone would still craft it

tawny garden
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imo the consumable version needs to be yeeted out of existence

untold cargo
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All that would do is force people to play more or just cheat it in

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No

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Oh ok

tawny garden
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fuck, messed up the words

golden narwhal
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That would also work

tawny garden
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a big crafting recipe is never something that prevents you

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especially when the alternative is re-fighting a boss

golden narwhal
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Imma just

real steppe
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if someone suggests to remove the Chaos State hardcap and replace it with having 1/3 of your HP removed as punishment (Still 10 seconds for Chaos State's duration though), what would be your stance on it?

hollow shell
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I would like that more

tawny garden
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I would be absolutely for it

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that hardcap is just an annoyance when you're farming/exploring

real steppe
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iirc that was exactly what the devs were planning in the first place, but they decided to implement the hardcap sometime before the nerf got implemented

gloomy musk
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just wanna day

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Say

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scal is very hittable with true melee

cobalt pewter
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I wonder when

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And uh

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Yharon?

gloomy musk
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Yharon has openings

golden narwhal
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Yea, the reasoning is ... kinda normal for true melee

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Generally you won't be able to consistenly hit bosses, and ye, acceleration slowdown exists

cobalt pewter
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Fabsol hates dashing and rod, so it's understandable about the change with chaos state

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But idk

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I'm personally indifferent about rod

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Sometimes I use it

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Sometimes I don't

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As for dashing, it's becoming a core part of Terraria's mobility tbh

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Or to be exact, "it has been" a core part of Terraria's mobility

untold cargo
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I think the hard cap should stay in a boss fight

real steppe
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I've been thinking about that too, since I'm pretty sure boss fights were the reason why the hardcap got implemented in the first place

ashen warren
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Optimise Providence's HolyBlast Projectiles to have better visuals

When a holyblast touches a tile or dies out, it pops out of existence, leaving a few other, much much smaller projectiles.
In my opinion, this is kind of anticlimactic, since the huge fireball is absolutely massive in size, yet when it dies the combined quantity of fire it's projectiles spawn is way lesser than the one of the HolyBlast.

So, i suggest granting it visuals to tell the eye where all that flame went, what i have in mind is an explosion of big fire particles, so it's not as anticlimactic, maybe also decrease the size of the HolyBlast, so we have less mass to have to work with after the projectile is dead

At it's current state the projectile feels kind of akward to watch, so i feel like applying theese modifications to it is necessary to make it appear more realistic and polished

How's this?

tawny garden
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should've posted straight into posting

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and yeah, it's good

ashen warren
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Awesome

sinful steeple
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While I agree with this suggestion's reasoning I don't think there should be two armours with the same role on the same tier

vagrant zenith
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maybe wulfrum could be more glass cannony and victide more tanky or something

real steppe
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^^

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Also, Victide give some utilities

tawny garden
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@azure jewel spoiler tags

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(I don't care about spoilers, but other people do)

azure jewel
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Ugh I didn't think about needing spoilers in the suggestions. My b ill fix it now

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Also victide also has the extra buffs from being in water which wulfrum wouldn't have

unkempt bolt
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yeah i don't think two generalist sets like wulfrum and victide need to be on the same tier

vagrant zenith
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btw having those shapes on the sides of your username makes my brain think you're a very important gamer lol

azure jewel
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Oh lol

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Nah it's not like that

unkempt bolt
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i definitely agree that wulfrum is much less worth the trouble than victide is

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so it's pretty dumb that wulfrum is weaker

azure jewel
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I'm not saying they should do the exact same things. I think they should definitely be different I just think that they should be in the same tier

unkempt bolt
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maybe wulfrum could be similar to jungle in that you can get it pre-boss, but it's really annoying to and thus is stronger than pre-boss things usually are

azure jewel
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That's not a bad idea either

tawny garden
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Is it just me or is victide kinda useless?
I've never used it

unkempt bolt
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its good for summoner

azure jewel
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Victide is the best first general armor set

unkempt bolt
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and is a pretty solid armor for any class since farming DS is sleepo

vagrant zenith
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or wulfrum could give buffs to draedon stuff so that it keeps being useful as a squish armor until like statigel since victide is easier to get from what I gather

tawny garden
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oh, the title and the reason need to be 2 different spoilers

azure jewel
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It's better than the ore armors. The only thing better than it at the start is specialized armor for your class

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Uh I don't think so? It's all spoilered on my end?

unkempt bolt
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the bot will break it

tawny garden
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discord will*

unkempt bolt
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so title and reasoning gotta be spoilered seperately

tawny garden
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the title and the description are two different fields in the embed

azure jewel
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Ok I fixed it

tawny garden
azure jewel
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Anyways, the main point was just that wulfrum as it stands now is super useless

ashen warren
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I have foound a single pylon during all of my gameplay of the new update

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lol

onyx river
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Well i mean, a single pylon is all you need, plus with it being able to spawn in the inner thirds in the next update wulfrum armor will get easier to get

azure jewel
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Not really. It's going to be even rarer in the inner thirds

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So that's not significantly easier

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Wulfrum would still need a buff to make it worth while

onyx river
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Uhh @white canyon, I'm pretty sure you meant decrease the use time, as increasing it makes the weapon slower, and thus makes the healing worse

white canyon
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Did I write increase?

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thank you auto correct

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Done

vivid kestrel
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Think my suggestion got overlooked yesterday can I post it again?

onyx river
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The one that's still in posting?

cobalt pewter
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Be patient, Rover will most likely review it before the 24-hour time limit

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If that doesn't happen, just repost after 24 hrs

vivid kestrel
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Ok

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Thanks

karmic stone
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Reminder Monstrous is pre boss

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And if you decide to wait DS because of VShards that's still pretty early

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Consider it life regen

radiant meadow
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the last 2 sentences feel very accusatory

gray nebula
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skeletron locked life crystal recipe is to force people to get them the normal way and then let people grab the last ones they need easily when they can access them in a easier way

fiery grove
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stupid idea: in death mode, enemies that spit fire (e.g. yharon) Can actually have that fire spread across the world.

limber ocean
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the thing is, early game, getting blood orbs is completely RNG

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their drop rate is meh but they're locked behind an event which you have no way to spawn

fiery grove
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until your first BM, where you might be able to get a medallion or 2.

limber ocean
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at least with bones you know that every trek to the dungeon you'll leave with a couple hundred

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assuming you stay a while killing shit, obvs

fiery grove
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so my skeletron fight sorta went like this: Skeletron: NOOO! you cant use sky stabbers and kill my hands with no effort! Me: haha, sky stabbers roll.

limber ocean
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skeletron locked life crystal recipe is to force people to get them the normal way and then let people grab the last ones they need easily when they can access them in a easier way
you also have the ones spawning in the planetoids

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those are a big help

gray nebula
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yeah theres that too, u dont need an extra easy way to get them

ashen warren
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^^ That recipe is meant to make it better for hardmode life crystal recipes

radiant meadow
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as well as multiplayer

ashen warren
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change life crystals recipe to crystal shards

vital ore
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may i suggest a very minor QoL change from vanilla?

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make Dye Traders dialogue window stay the same size after clicking his strange dye button, as it changes size every time u click it due to new dialogue

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not a big thing, just small annoyance when u got a lot of strange plants u want to turn in

radiant meadow
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that sounds difficult to implement

vital ore
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as someone who has had some education in front-end it doesnt seem that way for me, since dye trader doesnt randomly generate messages, it follows a script, so just have the dialogue box be preset at the max size

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instead of change it to match the text

radiant meadow
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IL editing is not something I'd like to dive into just for the size of the Dye Trader's textbox

vital ore
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yeah isnt big issue, just thought i should ask

modern idol
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Reposted my sugg because it died and apparently rover is letting me repost, idk if I can tho

violet dagger
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u can repost if it got yeeted

modern idol
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aight

gray nebula
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@paper torrent spoiler tag hage

paper torrent
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Ooooh

gray nebula
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also kinda specific

steep crown
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SPOIWERS

gray nebula
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also ||pulse turret remote already exists||

steep crown
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I think he was talking about placable objects that act like the ones ||In the labs||

tawny garden
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also like

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reason

gray nebula
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i mean yes but still it exists

tawny garden
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on a separate line

paper torrent
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Ah, okay then. Was kinda hoping for placable blocks. Perhaps we could craft cosmetic turrets instead?

gray nebula
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||if you have summoner turrets why would you want tile versions||

paper torrent
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It could be for home defense.

steep crown
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Because Tile versions don't despawn

gray nebula
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home defense???

tawny garden
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@keen forum reason?

steep crown
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Invasions

keen forum
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consistancy

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for lore stuff

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the biome can infect machines

gray nebula
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astral infection doesnt even spread

keen forum
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so it should probably infect the wulfrum enemies if they spawn there

gray nebula
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and the biome is also supposed to infect living creatures too

tawny garden
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the reason should be in the sugg

keen forum
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oh

tawny garden
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read the doc

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please

keen forum
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ok

tawny garden
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@paper torrent your reason should be on a separate line

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and elaborate more

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a lot more

steep crown
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I'm with cataclysm, I'd definitely Use those turrets. might be just me (Since I rig every one of my bases with numerous traps, a Lockdown mode, and a Self-Destruct), But I'd find these Invaluable, Especially if they could be triggered/Deactivated by wiring

gray nebula
steep crown
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I might be a little Paranoid

gray nebula
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apart from maybe an automatic system to block off doors during a blood moon i dont do anything with that

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cuz terraria isnt really the game for base defense

keen forum
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eh imma just delete it

robust lava
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I like this death mode toggle sugg purely for the fact that people usually suggest the opposite lol

gray nebula
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actual masochism

signal torrent
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Cataclysm's idea is pretty neat

cobalt pewter
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Didn't they already mention that they don't want summon multiclassing?

keen forum
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what about the forbidde circlet

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forbidden*

steep crown
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||The mech?||

unreal viper
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||Only removes part of the penalty.||

robust lava
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Forbidden Circlet is Dedicated Content

keen forum
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yeah

signal torrent
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what about summon multiclassing?

keen forum
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it's a bit of a stretch to count it

steep crown
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Why the spoiler tags?

unreal viper
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New update stuff.

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Just want to be safe.

signal torrent
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Would suggestions involving existing Dedicated Content make sense? I've had the idea of a Yateveo Bloom upgrade to go alongside Mana Rose's Gleaming Magnolia upgrade but noticed that the Bloom is dedicated content

sand umbra
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all suggestions involving dedicated content need to go by the dedicatee, balancing suggs notwithstanding

signal torrent
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ah

unreal viper
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I know that ben doesn't exactly like multiclassing, but I still think that it's more important that the players can play how they want. i know you still technically can due mulitclassing, but it's so bad.

radiant meadow
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The problem was that mutliclassing was way too powerful by comparison

sand umbra
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the thing is that by the nature of summons, multiclassing with summon as one of the component classes is going to be inherently stronger than multiclassing w/o summon as one of the component classes

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since they exist and then you just whip out your other wep and go to town while your summon does the same

unreal viper
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Yeah, that's true for sure. I'm def fine with the damage penalty as an idea, I jsut think that it's too high.

signal torrent
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The problem I have is multiclassing is definitely needed with Summoner in 1.3

radiant meadow
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but this isn't vanilla

signal torrent
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I mean my one gripe is that even with new summon items, summoners are still lacking in armor and accessory department

unreal viper
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Yeah, since summoner is real class, you can't have people getting full damage.

signal torrent
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Especially since the update a few days ago due to changes to Wulfrum

radiant meadow
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wulfrum is made a little easier to obtain next update

unreal viper
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Luckily you only need the helmet to get the minion boost.

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So you could just get ore plate and greaves or something.

signal torrent
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If so, then really my only complaint is there isn't really any minion slot addition accessories till later pre-hardmode

unreal viper
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Hm..

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Why not sugg that?

signal torrent
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I probably will then.

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I honestly just can't wait until the eventual 1.4 TModLoader update, given 1.4 added whips for summoners.

tawny garden
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the "remove the Cozy Fire buff" part seems hard to implement

radiant meadow
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it's not hard it's just

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why

tawny garden
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also that

bold light
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It's a silly suggestion, sorry

tawny garden
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no, the On Fire! debuff providing Cold Protection actually makes sense

bold light
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Let me revise it real fast, the cozy fire thing is unnecessary to the suggestion.

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I added immunity to chilled and frozen debuffs, but I'm not sure if that's not already the case.

violet dagger
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just checked changelog and saw that they figured out how to make it so bandit detects coins in your pig for moving in

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nice to see another sugg of mine go somewhere

fiery rapids
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Make the cosmic viper engine uses bullets
The tactical plague engine uses bullets which is an interesting quality for a summoner weapon but also changes up how you can use it as different bullets are good for different reasons. The cosmic viper engine is an upgrade to the tactical plague engine but just gets rid of the bullet feature the tactical plague engine had.

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is this good or should i change it before posting

violet dagger
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I like it

dapper coral
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wait it doesn't? that's weird

violet dagger
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i never used cosmic viper or tactial plague

dapper coral
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seems fine to me

violet dagger
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except just make cosmic viper more viable for doing so

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cause last time i checked

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mechworm is the best

fiery rapids
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well cool

hollow shell
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I'm not late, you're late

fiery rapids
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ok

tawny garden
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well, you I was only an hour late

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so that's not too bad

sand umbra
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the stars start comin' and they don't stop comin'

steep crown
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Wait, does this apply to suggestions that Have already been made, but Haven't been sent to voting?

hollow shell
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I will be merciful and say it applies to suggestion_posting post dates and not voting approval dates

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I'll clarify in the raising message

sand umbra
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(i.e. everything in posting right now would also take 170 stars, not 240)

hollow shell
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Announcement:
The ☑️ (bluecheck) cut-off date has been moved from November 1st 2019 to March 1st 2020.
Suggestion concepts from prior to March 1st, 2020 are now able to be suggested again without being bluechecked.

hollow shell
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twas about time for that as well

sand umbra
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gameing

tawny garden
hollow shell
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Time to speed-round a buncha approvals

steep crown
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Seems fine

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If a bit hard to code

tawny garden
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yea, it's great

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if a sugg is hard to code it doesn't make it invalid

hollow shell
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cool

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@west nymph You need to add more reasoning to your endless ammo suggestion, beyond "it'd be sick".
It also needs to be formatted correctly, with main idea at the top on a separate line (shift+enter) and your reasoning below.

(I've deleted the message for now, you can repost an improved version whenever you want)

west nymph
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Gor it

hollow shell
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👍

steep crown
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Fine, Always was a bit weird that it had no upgrade

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Might be toeing a little on SIS, but for the most part its fine

tawny garden
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it's not SIS

violet dagger
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^

steep crown
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As I said, toeing it

violet dagger
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it doesnt mention a name or anything

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it just mentions that there should be an updgrade

hollow shell
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It's not even close to an SIS

steep crown
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

hollow shell
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so, s'fine

tawny garden
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people said that SCal is much more hittable now with true melee

steep crown
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Also, Its kinda limiting, It basiclly means that you have to use melee weapons that count as True melee, rather than just hitting with the blade of any Melee weapon

sand umbra
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Murasama's swing range is enormous now

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so that's probably a contributor to why she's more "hittable"

hollow shell
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Oh right
"True melee weapons" don't exist anymore

steep crown
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Ah, I'm a bit behind on True Melee

sand umbra
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he said, when three other bosses gain accel detriments when holding a "true melee" weapon

hollow shell
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Nah you mentioned it earlier

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Oh is that so

sand umbra
hollow shell
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... wait

sand umbra
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so either changelogs was never updated or there's some serious lack of communication going on

steep crown
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I'm confused, Isn't True Melee just Hitting with the blade of a Weapon?

hollow shell
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@arctic notch Isn't your suggestion already implemented?

radiant meadow
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does scal officially not count as scal?

steep crown
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Instead of The projectiles?

sand umbra
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wait what the hell

SCal is on this changelog

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that means this sugg is already in

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except it then does nothing because "true melee" weps apparently don't exist anymore?

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I'm confused

steep crown
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Is true melee just Any weapon that can Trigger True Melee?

sand umbra
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that would just be 90% of the melee class

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any old big fuckoff sword can trigger true melee bonuses

fiery rapids
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wasnt astral armor post moonlord at one point because astrum deus has moved around in where it's position is?

hollow shell
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I guess Fab reimplemented a True Melee definition for this changelog

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Unfortunate

sand umbra
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it's not limited to weapons that require a particularly high number of braincells to use anymore

hollow shell
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No, Lucien?

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AD used to be around post-Plant and was moved to post-LC

sand umbra
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it used to be right after Aureus

tawny garden
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Astrum always was hardmode

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iirc

fiery rapids
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ah

sand umbra
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yes, the Astral Infection always was Hardmode

fiery rapids
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it might have been a boss checklist fuck up then

sand umbra
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how do people not realize that "Astrum" can mean two different bosses still

fiery rapids
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idk

hollow shell
dapper coral
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seems fine to me

fiery rapids
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yeah

limber ocean
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sure

hollow shell
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cool

tawny garden
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cause I'm speaking in 2 channels simultaneously and also because I'm assuming that you can understand that my words are based on what has been said previously and also because both of these bosses were always HM, and also because I don't care

steep crown
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Seems a bit weird, since how would it know which summon to dismiss, but otherwise fine

sand umbra
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sugg seems like something that'd be better for its own mod, but valid nonetheless

hollow shell
steep crown
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Fine

sand umbra
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very good

tawny garden
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yea

limber ocean
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seems alright

hollow shell
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Coolio

fiery rapids
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nah

dapper coral
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is it max hp or current hp?

tawny garden
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YES

steep crown
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gud

dapper coral
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cuz i think that's an important distinction

hollow shell
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Max, clearly

fiery rapids
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you know what, sure

hollow shell
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Alright

zealous ridge
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let it go to voting imo

tawny garden
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already

zealous ridge
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have no idea to the reception though

hollow shell
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I got big support for it

steep crown
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People tend to hate hardcaps

hollow shell
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Let me kill myself as a result of my hubris, dang it

tawny garden
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I'm so for it that I would invoke my 240 discord accs again
(damn, making the same joke for the third time already)

sand umbra
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if I can't kill myself by warping around like a dumbass and then laugh at the fact I killed myself by warping around like a dumbass why am I even playing

hollow shell
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^

zealous ridge
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hardcap always felt like a "im fucking tired of balancing this so im just going to completely remove the problem"

tawny garden
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lol, yeah

zealous ridge
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which is honestly somewhat understandable

sand umbra
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really do be givin' off that vibe

tawny garden
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they tried so much to balance it

fiery rapids
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how many different keybinds are there in calamity for accessories?

hollow shell
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hardcap isn't the right word in this instance

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but, yes

zealous ridge
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because NO ONe can come to a conclusion for rod balance

sand umbra
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except RoD was like never touched in anywhere near as significant of a fashion until that change

zealous ridge
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well yeah

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but there was a lot of discussion if i recall

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there was practically no consensus from what i remember

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everyone had different ideas

sand umbra
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there never will be a consensus

tawny garden
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they increased the time, increased the damage dealt to you while you have chaos state, increased damage from these items, and they felt like it still wasn't enough

sand umbra
#

no they didn't
these were all concepts introduced in this channel

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I was here for the entire goddamn miniature civil war invoked by this one item
please do not start this argument with me

tawny garden
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there are 3 items at this point*, but aight

sand umbra
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at the time it happened, the focus was RoD

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I remember the exact sugg that started it (making RoD actually take work to get again), the hellfire that ensued, and the eventual "agree to disagree" psuedo-ceasefire

tawny garden
sand umbra
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there was never a solution agreed upon even in here, it was left as an uncertain topic of nothing but bad omens

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we've never really touched upon it since

steep crown
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Rod is probably one of the most Divisive items in the entire game

tawny garden
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remove RoD

sand umbra
#

it is without question the single most divisive item in the game

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nobody can agree on how to handle it

steep crown
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In vanilla, its balanced by Being super rare, But pretty much every mod gives it a crafting recipie

tawny garden
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who made that sugg?

sand umbra
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squid

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the resulting argument lasted like 2 hours

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I shit you not

hollow shell
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And the fact that vanilla doesn't require as much epic gamer skill as modded bosses do

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(until EoL was added)

tawny garden
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This man has done more to divide this nation than anybody else
— Dennis Skinner

steep crown
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Honestly, the more that a topic becomes unclear, the more arguments will happen

sand umbra
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~~yes, epic gamer skill such as doing exactly what you did for vanilla bosses but More™️

...I'm sorry, I'll shut up now~~

hollow shell
#

m

onyx river
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Well EoL is run straight for half the fight

sand umbra
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QS is "what the fuck is happening"

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EoL is "what the fuck is happening" but less

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ML is supreme "what the fuck is happening"

steep crown
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A clear example is Mod lore. You can rarely have an Argument about Cala lore because of how Cut and Dry it is, But less clear lores like AA or Split can cause a lot of arguments because of Interpretation

sand umbra
#

anywho this is getting offtrack
tl;dr I like the RoD sugg and I don't want an argument to start over it

steep crown
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Onto the next sugg, RoD good

tawny garden
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Hallowed armor + Brain Of Confusion + Master Ninja Gear: hi

hollow shell
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Yes let us not get off track

sand umbra
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not a fan

steep crown
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Really depends

radiant meadow
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given how ass an 8th slot is

sand umbra
#

even if it was approved, it'd never get past dev voting

radiant meadow
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I would say no

tawny garden
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it's REALLY FUCKING HARD TO IMPLEMENT

steep crown
#

Right now we don't really know what Post-Scal will be like

sand umbra
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the only reason 7th slot even happens with Onion is because 7th slot was in the game to begin with

radiant meadow
#

and maybe also the fact that my screen might not be big enough to hold an 8th

dapper coral
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accessory yikes, probably no

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also that

steep crown
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If an 8th Acessory slot balances things against Yharim's OHKO's then I could see it, otherwise, Probably no

tawny garden
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4K masterrace

dapper coral
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draedon will be before scal i think? so then there is no reason to have another accessory slot anyways right now

tawny garden
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yep

dapper coral
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regardless of whether it's possible or not

sand umbra
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there's no point to it

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7 is already lowkey hella strong

steep crown
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Basiclly, the only things that are going to be Post-SCAL are Yharim, Xeroc, and Noxus

dapper coral
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yeah

tawny garden
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lowkey?

dapper coral
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those are not coming anytime soon

steep crown
#

Unless they decide to go with the final 4 approach

zealous ridge
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nevermind it coming soon

steep crown
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And then its only Xeroc

dapper coral
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so this sugg is better off waiting for a long time, if it ever comes back at all

zealous ridge
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i see literally no reason to have a 8th slot after scal because its nearly endgame anyways

hollow shell
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Aight

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I'll get that sugg outta here

steep crown
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If it gets implemented, it should be Yharon, not Scal

zealous ridge
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honestly i dont want to see that at all, 7 is fine as is

steep crown
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And again, its probably not going to

tawny garden
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btw Master Mode

limber ocean
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8th acc slot prolly gonna be a pain to balance

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< plays with Wing Slot

dapper coral
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btw Master Mode
this is gonna cause some major problems indeed

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but uh, that's a discussion for another time

tawny garden
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Wing Slot is great

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byeah this is offtopic

dapper coral
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i'm honestly surprised that wing slot works as it does, which is still finicky at best

tawny garden
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just rip off Wing Slot's code, profit CompleteFailure

limber ocean
tawny garden
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aight, I gotta go

hollow shell
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cya

radiant meadow
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Wing Slot isn't open source afaik

limber ocean
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so yeah

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8th acc slot is pain

dapper coral
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later Philo

hollow shell
fiery rapids
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yes

radiant meadow
#

it's just a recipe change

sand umbra
#

yeag

radiant meadow
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so it's fine ig

hollow shell
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cool

radiant meadow
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is CAR used in anything already?

hollow shell
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Shredder
for.. no reason?

fiery rapids
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the shredder burst fires

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that's my only guess

radiant meadow
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probably to fill in for the bullet/gun part

onyx river
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The sound effect

hollow shell
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I guess it does

radiant meadow
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if you can think of a good replacement gun for shredder then

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that would be better

hollow shell
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iirc Ozz and I talked about this the other day
lemme try to find the conclusion

radiant meadow
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wait

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it uses Shotgun too

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I guess that's fine then

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shotgun just exists to be a material anyways

onyx river
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Is Uzi used in a recipe

radiant meadow
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yes

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Prideful Hunter's Planar Ripper

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a somewhat recent-ish patron weapon

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at the same tier as shredder no less

onyx river
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Ah, didn't know about that one

hollow shell
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That's right, I found the convo.
It involved Elemental Blaster.

Replace CAR in Shredder's recipe with Clock Gatlignum, and replace Clock Gatlignum in Ele Blaster's recipe with another non-subclass ranged weapon (which seems to be Ele Blaster's theme)

radiant meadow
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we could make ele blaster take bullets maybe

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the weapon needs a makeover anyways

hollow shell
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It do, but I would personally prefer it stay/become the non-subclass boy, cuz I feel like that's a more interesting theme

(and maybe we add an Elemental Gun if we do that, if there's a demand for it)

radiant meadow
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It's a weird gun but not a gun weapon right now

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since the projectiles it shoots are bullets in a sense

sand umbra
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EleBlaster is in a really weird spot rn, yeah

hollow shell
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It's Spectralstorm Cannon with no flares.

dapper coral
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it's very unique at the moment. the question is whether it should be expanded upon

sand umbra
#

oh yeah can we talk about how like

hollow shell
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(I'll add a rework idea to my doc)

sand umbra
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Spectralstorm becomes EleBlaster literally two tiers after it's crafted

hollow shell
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One tier

frail mantle
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at the moment it's basically the Spectralstorm cannon without the extra flares and with infinite ammo

hollow shell
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Vortex -> Luminite

sand umbra
#

okay yeah one tier

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in other words: "have a weapon you'll use for literally one boss and nothing else before upgrading it"

radiant meadow
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I don't mind that too much tbh because it's not like you're going to use spectralstorm post moon lord anyways
you would just chuck it in a chest until it does get upgraded

hollow shell
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We could make Spectral take Life Alloy instead of Vortex Frag or something

sand umbra
#

I don't mind its "ugprade" being immediately post-ML

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what I mind is Spectralstorm getting like no use because of it

radiant meadow
#

well

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if ele blaster was say

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post doggo

sand umbra
#

byeah I'd be down for like post-Golem Spectralstorm

radiant meadow
#

spectralstorm still gets the same amount of use

sand umbra
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(or post-Plantera w/ Spectre Bars)

radiant meadow
#

because you would just craft say shredder or clockwork bow and call it a day

sand umbra
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which is why the better solution is to move Spectralstorm earlier instead

radiant meadow
#

well

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you could say that about literally any pillar tier weapon

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lahzar is used for deus and sometimes moon lord then chucked in a chest

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spectralstorm is very much the same albeit better for ml than deus iirc

sand umbra
#

oh yeah did Deuces' resists get redone with the rework of the fight

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so that Stardust Dumbfuck isn't literally useless

radiant meadow
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They were redone

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I have no idea how the dumb dragon fares at this point

sand umbra
#

I see

sand umbra
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alright, it's ya boi, comin' atcha with another sugg nobody asked for

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discussion mode engaged

dapper coral
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nobody asked for
yet perhaps the one we needed lol

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i think this is fair

sand umbra
#

this is true

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maybe

radiant meadow
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what uses ancient bone dust again?

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archaic powder, right?

dapper coral
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yeah

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i think so

hollow shell
#

I disagree with this suggestion because Skyline Wings

dapper coral
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ok it's archaic powder, armor polish, calcium and crumbling potions

sand umbra
dapper coral
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there

sand umbra
#

one of these things is not like the others

radiant meadow
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a lot of people don't use skyline wings tbf

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and they praise bundle

dapper coral
#

mm, most people prefer BoB

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at least from my experience

sand umbra
#

BoB lowkey kinda overrated

radiant meadow
#

BoB is dumb

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and shouldn't exist

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but it does

hollow shell
#

I've never used it

dapper coral
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it's overrated for regular gameplay

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but on defiled it's godly

sand umbra
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supreme fuck to get w/o recipes, piss easy to get with them, and hella powerful

radiant meadow
#

something like that

distant gyro
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increase mats for bloon recipes time tbh

radiant meadow
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that won't really stop people I bet

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unless the recipes are actually dumb

distant gyro
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yes

dapper coral
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yea

radiant meadow
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Essence of Eleum for blizzard in a bottle

distant gyro
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250 gel per bloon

sand umbra
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Sandstorm in a Bottle but the recipe takes Forbidden Fragments

dapper coral
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anyway, basically skyline is hit-or-miss with most people

distant gyro
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better get your ks running

sand umbra
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Skyline Wings are. really nothing to be impressed by
many people don't use them

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which is why I'm not too concerned about Calcium Potions themselves being invalidated

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Skyline Wings are better for precise movement and gliding (and lack of fall damage w/o potions), but they're not as impressive for sheer movement power

limber ocean
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skyline wings are alright, I guess

sand umbra
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an advantage which BoB provides in spades

hollow shell
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aight
I also don't agree with this sugg cuz fall damage prevention is more valuable the earlier in pre-HM you get
so restricting it to post-Skele seems weird

limber ocean
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bundle of baloons feels powerful as hell, though

hollow shell
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Would it not be better to reduce the duration of Calcium? Or make it heavily reduce fall damage instead of getting rid of it?

sand umbra
#

the point here wasn't even really to nerf Calcium it was the fact that Ancient Bone Dust is literally a completely unnecessary material

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those potions are the only thing keeping it alive

radiant meadow
#

calcium potion recipe could just be changed without a progression lock

sturdy geyser
#

if you want calcium potion to be early game then you could have it use a material that isn't unecessary, maybe give it a different name and look to fit said new material

distant gyro
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from my experience removing something isn't people's cup of tea

sand umbra
#

what if Calcium Potions could semi-rarely drop from Skeletons or smth, if you want 'em to stay early game

distant gyro
#

although i might just make bad suggestions

limber ocean
#

calcium is definitely an odd name for a fall damage resistance potion

distant gyro
#

you need the other r word

dapper coral
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strong bones though

limber ocean
#

but idk

radiant meadow
#

strengthen your bones

sand umbra
#

removing something is certainly never quite the greatest approach

radiant meadow
#

for better landing impact

sand umbra
#

god knows people never shut up about removed content

limber ocean
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lmao

dapper coral
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strong leg bones for maximum impact reduction, or something

radiant meadow
#

bounding potion adds fall damage resistance

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which is kind of invalidated by calcium

sand umbra
#

nobody cared about Heart Rapier until it died and even then nobody can name it

radiant meadow
#

but bounding is basically bootleg frog leg in a bottle

limber ocean
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I used it in my one completed playthrough

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it was cool to facetank shit

hollow shell
#

Wait so what is your goal with this sugg? Is it to make Ancient Bone Dust less necessary to the point where we can get around to removing it?

sand umbra
#

the main intention was being able to remove Ancient Bone Dust, as it is arguably just material bloat and doesn't really serve much of a purpose to remain in the game

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that is, in essence, my main goal

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should I change my wording to. make that more clear

distant gyro
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good ol

hollow shell
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You could yes

distant gyro
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remove x and replace with y

hollow shell
#

I'm mostly wondering why you only mention Calcium

radiant meadow
#

because the others probably could standalone either without the material

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or with Bones

hollow shell
#

If it's removed from that recipe but not others, the material bloat problem is worse because that material has less usage

radiant meadow
#

he means remove the material entirely

sturdy geyser
#

yeah

radiant meadow
#

not just from Calcium pot recipe

hollow shell
#

Ah yes I see
I misread the top line as just "Remove Ancient Bone Dust from the Calcium Potion recipe"

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There we go, that's much better

sand umbra
#

that should make things much more clear

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I have another sugg or two I might throw down next to this one since they're in a very similar vein of "material bloat bad"

hollow shell
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(I'm guessing one is to remove Maneater Bulb and replace its instances with Vine?)

sturdy geyser
#

probably

sand umbra
#

(one of them is about the extreme overabundance of Jungle mats, yes)

hollow shell
#

aight

sand umbra
#

(shoutouts go to Maneater Bulbs and Gypsy Powder which are literally just Vines and Butterfly Dust respectively but they look cooler)

limber ocean
#

honestly, he's got a point

hollow shell
#

I personally don't mind most of the "material bloat" issue
I think it's aight to make more enemies relevant by giving them materials

limber ocean
#

there's so many small things used in like 3 recipes

hollow shell
#

i.e. Beetle Juice

sturdy geyser
#

but like

hollow shell
#

(Derplings normally serve no purpose)

limber ocean
#

yeah

sturdy geyser
#

maneaters already have a material

limber ocean
#

they kinda just... derp around

sturdy geyser
#

so they don't need 2

sand umbra
#

Beetle Juice is arguably fine

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it comes from an otherwise-irrelevant enemy, has unique purposes, and generally doesn't have to compete for recipe space

radiant meadow
#

Rip maneater bulb and gypsy powder resprites

sand umbra
#

anywho I don't actually have the jungle mats sugg written up yet

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but I do have another sugg written up which targets another material that is "effectively just XYZ but it looks cooler and/or drops from something else"

sturdy geyser
#

which one

sand umbra
#

ghost jelly

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but blood

sturdy geyser
#

ah that

hollow shell
#

byeah that's a bit of a weird one

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Assumedly exists to allow you to acquire more Ectoplasm easier

sand umbra
#

but there are other ways to accomplish the same task

hollow shell
#

But real men know the correct solution is to add more Dungeon Spirit-like enemies

sand umbra
#

yeah

limber ocean
#

I mean, yeah, it's not necessary for it to exist

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but I'd assume that the alternative is simply more trouble than it's worth

tired haven
#

Tbh ectoblood is p nice
it's steady source that doesn't get screwed by low spirit spawnrate

limber ocean
#

having it drop from everything is a simple solution

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not the most elegant one, mind, but a solution nonetheless

hollow shell
#

I'd be more in support of making Dungeon Spirits drop more Ectoplasm

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So their purpose/source is still focused

limber ocean
#

and it doesn't make for as much bloat as some other stuff, because you can get rid of it as soon basically* as you get it

sturdy geyser
#

yeah ectoplasm is something you need a lot of in calamity and is annoying to farm in vanilla

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but ectoblood doesn't need to exist as there are other solutions that are simpler or more interesting

sand umbra
#

reminder that Battle Potions and Water Candles actually do something in Calamity

unreal viper
#

i beleive zerg and chaos candle are also avaible.

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You do need some ectoplasm to get them.

sand umbra
#

and oh-so-conveniently, you gain access to Zerg Potions and Chaos Candles just as you unlock Ectoplasm

limber ocean
#

maybe make dungeon spirits able to spawn on their own?

sand umbra
#

you can afford to spend a few Ectoplasm on a Chaos Candle --- you will make that back in seconds

limber ocean
#

they should be easy enough to kill

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and whenever one spawns you're gonna notice it pretty quickly

#

eh, I mean, ectoblood is not the worst offender

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but I dunno

sand umbra
#

tbf I'm lowkey surprised y'all have been relatively calm about these
usually people are not a fan of removing things at all

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shoutout to when Astrageldon died and everyone started caring way too much about it

limber ocean
#

I try not to get too attached to anything in a game

#

though I have failed to follow that rule quite spectacularly a couple times

golden narwhal
#

the outroar starts when it actually gets removed HDfailure

limber ocean
#

it hasn't come back to bite me in the ass just yet, but you never know

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and yeah

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once you delete them, everyone's gonna be like

hollow shell
#

I wouldn't be very happy to see Ancient Bone Dust go

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but Ectoblood I'm fine with yeeting

limber ocean
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"mnyeh but my maneater bulbs looked cool in my item frames"

tawny garden
#

iirc ectoblood exists so that you can sell it for 1 gold apiece

limber ocean
#

like b r u h

sand umbra
#

that's a real bruh momento, yeah

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people will find reasons to care about things they literally gave no fucks about before something started changing

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why? I don't know, it's probably because insert some spiel about how people are allergic to change or something

#

anywho yeah

I now need to go write up that Jungle mats sugg

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and then proofread it five times to make sure I'm targeting the right materials HDfailure

tired haven
#

people will find reasons to care about things they literally gave no fucks about before something started changing
you should have seen some reactions to suggesting to remove master mode
hoo boi

limber ocean
#

like?

tawny garden
#

someone is against that?

limber ocean
#

there's always someone who's against something

#

enough people in the world to guarantee that

tawny garden
#

too many people, need to get rid of them

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whoa

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turned fascist there

unreal viper
#

Just stop people from making more people.

sand umbra
#

sugg is ready to go and then I'm probably done for the day

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mainly because if I post another sugg after this one I'm pretty sure Rover's going to get upset and I don't want that HDfailure

unreal viper
#

The sugg limit.

sturdy geyser
#

yes good suggestions good job

sand umbra
#

gotta give other folks some time to make suggs before continuing my quest

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anywho, thoughts on this one?

sturdy geyser
#

good

tawny garden
#

yes pls

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inventory filling garbage

#

exists to craft only 3 items

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or less

sand umbra
#

Maneater Bulbs are used in Living Dew, Photosynthesis Potions, Bounding Potions, and the Portabulb
Gypsy Powder is used for...literally just Honey Dew and thE butterflies

radiant meadow
#

I think removing maneater bulbs and gypsy powder is fine

sand umbra
#

game ing

radiant meadow
#

not 100% in on ectoblood

hollow shell
#

Yes Maneater Bulbs can be replaced with Vines pretty easily

waxen pine
#

trapper bulbs work too for that sugg bc i don't think trapper bulbs lock anything to a higher tier

craggy stratus
#

and man eaters is rare in hard mode

hollow shell
#

I do like how (almost?) all the wing materials are used solely to craft their wings
but I don't think it'd be an issue to replace Gypsy with Butterfly Dust in Honey Dew's recipe

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(Resurrection Butterfly already has Butterfly Dust in it)

sand umbra
#

(ye)

#

personally I'm not a huge fan of the various "wing token" mats

radiant meadow
#

mana potions arent exactly useless

#

it's really just a playstyle choice

sand umbra
#

although that really delves into more my personal opinions on game design and what is defined as "material bloat"

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so I won't get too into it here

unreal viper
#

Mana potions are good for last prism and for mucking around.

sturdy geyser
#

mana regen potions are too good

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mage is a burst damage class and mana regen nearly neutralizes that

tawny garden
#

To create more variety in the mage playstyle
I have a sneaking suspicion that variety isn't created that way

radiant meadow
#

mage without either is useless

sand umbra
#

you either use Mana Flower or you use Mana Regen

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class is basically unplayable otherwise because mana takes 5 years to regen

tawny garden
#

that "variety" ends in mana flower, ye

sand umbra
#

this is unfortunately an inherent design flaw with the mage class echhyperventilate

jovial spire
#

Yeah I really dont have fun with mage in it's current form

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its either constantly make potions or have an acessory slot taken up with a constant 20% or less less damage

sand umbra
#

so either constantly make potions or constantly make potions

unreal viper
#

Buy potions from the archmage or make potions.

sand umbra
#

because if you're using Mana Flower you're constantly chugging keg after keg's worth of Mana Potions

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and you're almost certainly making Magic Power Potions to help offset the Mana Sickness penalty

tawny garden
#

except if you're an idiot like me

waxen pine
#

i mean honestly you can probably just say "make mana regen give you mana sickness" that way mana regen still has to deal with it

tawny garden
#

I beat at least half of pre-hardmode without potions somehow

mild sail
#

um

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its pre hardmode

#

thats why LUL

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just wait till mechs, depending on what difficulty half the time will be fishing and harvesting herbs for pots

tawny garden
#

just wait till mechs
lol, you're speaking with the assumption that I haven't beaten the game yet

#

the assumption is wrong

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and I didn't need a lot of potions the whole way through

loud parcel
#

what difficulty are you playing on?

tawny garden
#

rev

loud parcel
#

ok

tawny garden
#

maybe I'm a fool for not using potions, but Cirrus' booze + mana regen + magic power was fine for me

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and aureus cells made this even easier

unreal viper
#

In the works, be patient.

violet dagger
#

someone yeet the sugg

#

its in the works

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@mental vigil yharon is getting a resprite soon ™️

sand umbra
#

Yharon resprite's been in the works for a long time

ashen warren
#

Better delete that chief

sand umbra
#

but it's a massive undertaking because of how enormous Yharon is

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(and the fact he's gotten a slew of design changes since the sprite you see in-game was made)

mental vigil
#

I am real happy and also I understand the size problem but come on you resprited leviathan

ashen warren
#

Yharon resprite's been in the works for a long time
Better delete that sugg chief Alvar

sand umbra
#

Iban did that Levi resprite

iirc it took him about a month

frail mantle
#

spriting takes time, yes

unkempt bolt
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@signal torrent https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Voltaic_Jelly

Calamity Mod Wiki
Voltaic Jelly

The Voltaic Jelly is a Pre-Hardmode accessory dropped by Ghost Bells after Desert Scourge has been defeated. While equipped, it grants +1 minion slots and a chance for minions to inflict the Electrified debuff for one second.

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you describe this item word for word

mental vigil
#

Oh ok I will be wating even if it takes to 2021

frail mantle
mental vigil
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WOOOOOOOW

hollow shell
#

The levi resprite was in progress for over a year

mental vigil
#

OH

hollow shell
#

This Yharon resprite was also in progress for almost a year

ashen warren
#

I'm guessing that's not the final sprite?

mental vigil
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Thats a lotta drawing

frail mantle
#

this is how far he is currently and he's far from finished

hollow shell
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Yeah of course

ashen warren
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Alright, cus its missing shading on its wings

violet dagger
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wings got some progress

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last i checked

frail mantle
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correct

ashen warren
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They did.

violet dagger
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the wings were just plain colors

mental vigil
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Jesus christ i wasnt expecting such a beatiful sprite

ashen warren
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Honestly wings look like the only thing missing

mental vigil
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yea

steep crown
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That, and animation

frail mantle
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wings and animation

ashen warren
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right

mental vigil
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Wait a minute i know you dragoon

ashen warren
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Cool

mental vigil
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Youre this guy right

ashen warren
mental vigil
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Oh ok sry

patent gorge
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This Yharon resprite was also in progress for almost a year
@hollow shell Goes to show the effort devs put into this mod.

unkempt bolt
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material: exists
thomas: OmegaFailure

hollow shell
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Indeed

violet dagger
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half of them just got resprited

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and thomas is like

unkempt bolt
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but yeah the maneater/gypsy powder one looks fine to me

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the ancient bone dust one goes into deleting calcium potion which seems like a bit much for one suggestion

sand umbra
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there are multiple solutions to Calcium Potions and removing them is very much not the only one I presented

patent gorge
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but yeah the maneater/gypsy powder one looks fine to me
@unkempt bolt I kinda support it, but what about the Trapper bulb?

sand umbra
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Trapper Bulbs aren't redundant

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Trappers can't drop Vines for some ungodly reason

unkempt bolt
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well trapper bulbs are trapper's drop

hollow shell
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Angry Trappers don't drop any materials in vanilla

unkempt bolt
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maneaters already drop vines

sand umbra
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and neither can Snatchers

patent gorge
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Faaair enough

sand umbra
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why do only Man Eaters drop Vines?

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bitch, it's Terraria, I can't explain shit

unkempt bolt
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the other two have weaker vines so they break upon death

sand umbra
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Trappers are literally a Hardmode enemy

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neither of the others are

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there is no reason for them to not drop Vines

fiery grove
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I just got on, looked at that pic of (yharon?) when will that be applied? (ingame)

hollow shell
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When it's finished

fiery grove
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ok.

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I hope my lowend pc can handle it

hollow shell
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pff

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That's not how it works

fiery grove
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Or will my frames burn in the brimstone crag?

hollow shell
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tis just an image, same as the current sprite

fiery grove
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o

hollow shell
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@dense fiber How do flasks relate to the rest of your suggestion?

dense fiber
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The non damage type?

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Non class damage type I mean

hollow shell
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Yeah like, you ask for more direct weapons for summoners to use while their minions are attacking, but you are also asking for flasks to do effects on minion hits
These seem like two separate subjects

dense fiber
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Thats logical

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Ill edit my thing to make more sense

hollow shell
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aight

dense fiber
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Also the flask when thrown upon hitting an enemy will directly boost the summoners summons damage/movement speed ect. Not the summoner themselves.

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Wait is that hard to implement?

hollow shell
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"Flask" is the wrong word to use.

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Flasks in Terraria are potions that cause your attacks to debuff enemies

dense fiber
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Hmm

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Im going to reproach my suggestion

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reevaluate would be the proper word

hollow shell
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Aight

weak field
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That's more like something from mad alchemist's cocktail glove

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Or biome spreading water

hollow shell
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Yes indeed

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But he doesn't need to define it as a flask-like thrown weapon
What the weapon visually resembles is not important at all

weak field
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But I do like it; summoner early game is just dodge and make fun of your minion

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That would make early game summoner actually engaging

wooden lance
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i think the better approach in the way of making mana potions relevant is to nerf mana sickness

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mana regen might do with a slight nerf but things like star in a bottle will pick up wherever mana regen leaves off

radiant meadow
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star in a bottle is way weaker than mana regen potions

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I also have a hunch that if mana regen potions are nerfed enough, people will start chugging cinnamon roll.

weak field
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Let's nerf that as well HDfailure

radiant meadow
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how many people even know that cinnamon roll is super good for mage anyways as it lives the shadow of mana regen pots

weak field
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Noted, thanks ben

unreal viper
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y not both?

radiant meadow
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because people just see the other alcohols and just think how can I get the most damage
They see cinnamon roll only boosts fire weapons.

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also, I forget what boss it's locked behind

unreal viper
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Golem

dense fiber
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Yeah

sand umbra
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yeah it's post-Golem

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which is conveniently precisely the point you start getting a bunch of fire-related weaponry

unreal viper
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yes

radiant meadow
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scoria set ye

sand umbra
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Cinnamon Roll lowkey hella good

unreal viper
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Wait, have I sugged the hydrothermic armor rework yet. hellyes

radiant meadow
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people are too busy chugging moscow mule to drink cinnamon roll

unreal viper
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I did for summoner iirc.

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Honestly the other ones are p good.

sand umbra
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tbh I just wanna drink all the alcohols

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and then die instantly to alcohol poisoning

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worth every penny

dense fiber
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Moscow mule and scredriver

unreal viper
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Life regen, defense, dr, doesn't matter.

sand umbra
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screwdriver lowkey god

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straight 10% damage buff to most weaponry

dense fiber
sand umbra
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I require suggestions to discuss

and also fill up posting a little so that my item removal suggs aren't all that's there

radiant meadow
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@unreal viper I think you need to make 2 separate spoilers for the header and paragraph for the bot to parse it correctly. (referring to the summoner nerf sugg)

unreal viper
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Thanks, will be done.

limber ocean
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Melee hydrothermic seems to have suspiciously low defense

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then again, I don't think it feels week as it is rn

craggy stratus
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is the latest suggestion needed to be that short

sand umbra
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what even is it

unreal viper
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Meleee hydro helm has the same def as melee chloro btw.

weak field
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It's latest suggestion anyway, just like recent geometry dash levels

limber ocean
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figures that a post golem armor would have the same defense than a pre plantera one

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/s

unreal viper
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Yes.

hollow shell
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@winter valve You wanna elaborate?

steep crown
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I think he wants the soundtrack on a record. Seems unnecessary

wooden wedge
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(you need a reason for your sugg and to clairify what you actually mean by it)

hollow shell
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^

steep crown
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Not many people would buy it probably

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It just wouldn't be worth it

weak field
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Not me :p you can listen to it for free anyway

azure jewel
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It also probably wouldn't be possible would it? Considering it can't even be put on Spotify

wooden wedge
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It can be in spotify

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And will be at some point iirc

azure jewel
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According to the "suggestion donts" they tried to put it on Spotify and were told by relogic they couldn't

wooden wedge
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The legal issues and stuff got sorted out recently

azure jewel
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Ah

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The suggestion don'ts doc should probably reflect that then

wooden wedge
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I don't remember the exact spefifics so I think rover should talk to fab about it

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It was talked about in gentalk like 2 months ago,,,

azure jewel
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Cool

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Don't really matter to me either way, I don't tend to listen to video game music outside the game it's in

dapper coral
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basically there was some thing where one specific relogic dev was being obstinate about it for an inordinate amount of time, and then another dev solved it in like a few days and was like "yea it's fine to put it on spotify"

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but yeah the doc should reflect that now

limber ocean
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yeah

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I'd definitely download some of the tracks to listen on the go

hollow shell
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I asked the devs for what the status is on the Spotify situation, I'll update the doc if it's confirmed to happen soon-ish

radiant meadow
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I don't think Optimize is the right term.

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Optimize would be like making it run smoother say if it accidentally spawned 50 projectiles instead of like 5 or 6 cough abyssal mirror cough

hollow shell
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Alright
@ashen warren Your top line's wording could be adjusted

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The rest of the suggestion look good though?

radiant meadow
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I think it would be better if it said Enhance the Visuals of Prov's XXX

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"theese" in the last paragraph

hollow shell
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Indeed
I do approve of sised's suggestion as a whole, though. It's bothered me for a while too

radiant meadow
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I think caps is a bit unnecessary

hollow shell
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@ashen warren Do you want to elaborate on what you mean?

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What "parrying" would entail?

ashen warren
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you know how in 1.4 there is a shield that is a boomerang weapon you could right click to parry an attack

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and then it gives you "striking moment buff"

hollow shell
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Brand of the Inferno has that ability too in 1.3

ashen warren
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yes i would like to see that in calamity mod often

hollow shell
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You suggesting that get added to a bunch of true-melee exclusive weapons?

ashen warren
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yes

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would make sense

hollow shell
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Aight
You can add this elaboration to your suggestion

ashen warren
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for all or just a few?

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i have some ideas you know

hollow shell
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I mean, that's up to you

ashen warren
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like with cactus sword you get some spikes to pop out when you parry

hollow shell
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Aight don't get that detailed about it
You can say that some swords could have unique functions when you parry, for increased weapon function variety/uniqueness or w/e

ashen warren
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yes that is what i mean

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that was just an example on how it can be unique

hollow shell
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Indeed
I guess you could include that cactus sword bit as an example

ashen warren
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alright i'm done with editing

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hope it makes it

hollow shell
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Though Brand exists as an example, you could still describe what "parrying" actually is in your suggestion so people don't need to go look

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i.e.
brief invincibility frames, ignoring the damage of the hit you would've taken

ashen warren
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i thought it reflects the damage

hollow shell
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Seems like it does, yes
(see? I knew about Brand and I didn't know that) :P

ashen warren
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ah i see

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i think it is complete now

hollow shell
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Cool, thanks

ashen warren
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♥

hollow shell
pine star
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It seems valid

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Though increased spawn rates for wulfrum pylons could also do the trick

ashen warren
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no

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wulfrum is still very very easy to get

hollow shell
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Not as easy to get as in the past though
Wulfrum Armor was not buffed even though its necessary material source was moved to an uncommon spawn in the outer thirds of the world

sand umbra
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seems valid to me

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Wulfrum armor is...not quite as effective as it used to be because of how it's made now

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(also lowkey add more purposes for Energy Cores)

radiant meadow
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wulfrum weapons can occasionally supercharge with the armor equipped

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that's not a fact, this is idea bouncing

hollow shell
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Oh

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I was about to say

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I didn't see that anywhere

sand umbra
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what if
it's an activated "supercharge" ability on the armor itself which allows all weaponry to be used a bit faster for a brief time before a long cooldown
if a Wulfrum weapon is used in supercharge, it gains a unique effect based on what the weapon is

dapper coral
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so kind of like the stealth system where you get an epic attack for x seconds before recharging a meter for y seconds?

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cuz that would be very cool

rose latch
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probably more like abyssal madness

sand umbra
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sorta like stealth yes except it's consistent and doesn't get ruined by using your weapon once in the 5 years before you use the ability