suggestions-discussion

[sand umbra]

Fatal Frame? was that it

excuse me while I look this up

okay yeah it's Fatal Frame

[versed mica]

Adding a new class has to be against the suggestion rules right?

[wooden wedge]

yes

it is

they know this

don't know why they haven't deleted the sugg

@signal laurel

[versed mica]

I was wondering if the rules had changed

[wooden wedge]

they haven't

[versed mica]

but thats against them for sure

[sand umbra]

the sugg will die if it isn't pushed to voting within 24 hours

and I don't think they're going to respond to your ping

[void kelp]

do you want me to yeet the invalid sugmas?

[sand umbra]

so like

e

[wooden wedge]

oues

please

[void kelp]

can do

[wooden wedge]

:we_god:

[void kelp]

@fast cape please read the suggestion guidelines

This would be what’s considered a specific item suggestion.

specific name and functionality

[fast cape]

I had read that but looking at the examples they gave it looked like it was something a lot bigger than that

so does that mean that weapons and such are off?

[void kelp]

yes

[wooden wedge]

that was only an example

.//,/

[ashen lark]

Has tome of infinite wisdom been nerfed in calamity?

(It's from 1.3.4)

[quiet abyss]

Not the correct place to ask, but iirc no, calamity didn’t touch it.
Though I’m not 100% sure so you could also check the vanilla change page.

[[Vanilla Changes]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Vanilla_Changes

[ashen lark]

Ok I am going to suggest something if they didnt

[sand umbra]

Tome is actually buffed with Cal

25% damage buff and halved mana cost

[radiant meadow]

[crude geode]

allow Death mode to not be more difficult because I am a dead weight
Death Mode is the hardest difficulty mode for a reason. If you can’t handle it, don’t play it. And asking for this reverse scaling on revengeance is

[radiant meadow]

alt fire is super fucky to use iirc

and calamity adds pierce resist to destroyer

[ashen lark]

Does it, thought it was just for holy arrows

[crude geode]

Nope, it does have a special resist to them tho iirc

[ashen lark]

Could someone test the tome. I'd like to see if it has any great damage potential

[crude geode]

(Tome is also post mech boss, and the one test provided was in vanilla MM, which is very )

Anyways, Dark Seberian’s suggestion...seems valid for certain.

[ashen lark]

Tome is after 1 mech boss, not all

Anyways, Dark Seberian’s suggestion...seems valid for certain.
@crude geode tbh I don't like it, if they can't catch up, make them have increased speed

[sand umbra]

Slime God is a painful fight as a summoner because everything outpaces your summons mosta the time

special mention for Core solo because holy FUCK summons cannot catch up with you let alone the Core

[crude geode]

^

[ashen lark]

||Whips may help the fight||

[crude geode]

(That’s far in the fuckin future)

[sand umbra]

||BDSM subclass is an outlier and should not be counted||

[crude geode]

^

[ashen lark]

Just making your minions target core may help tbh

[sand umbra]

you can do that

but like the Core is fast as all mother fuck when it's alone

[ashen lark]

Oh yeah forgot that existed

[crude geode]

Most classes struggle with hitting core, let alone summoner

[sand umbra]

that, coupled with its constant teleportation move, makes it really hard to consistently hit it

or even hit it at all

[potent veldt]

Nope

Targetting doesn't help at all

[sand umbra]

it really doesn't

[potent veldt]

Bonus points to the devs for making it so when the Core teleports it doesn't de-target it, but

[sand umbra]

(evil slimes are also highkey overrated)

[potent veldt]

Targetting doesn't help, at all

I had the thing targetted the entire time

[sand umbra]

(like, I didn't really see a big performance improvement when I used them alongside/instead of herrings)

(at all)

[potent veldt]

I even switched to Imps to see if that helped, because projectiles-only, and it just didnt

[sand umbra]

(I think people forget that the big issue with evil slimes is that they require a flat arena to be functional and effective)

(and fuck making that kind of arena legit)

[crude geode]

(Good luck with that for WoF )

[sand umbra]

byeah

honestly you're probably legitimately better off just

snacking on the Great Waffle with Herrings and Bee armor (or Aerospec if you want but YMMV)

the Statigel set bonus slime has the same issue as standard evilslimes and the other bonuses are less than impressive

compared to Bee armor's slots and damage aplenty and Aerospec's valkyrie warrior

so realistically it's similar to how Clonamitas was for a decent while prior to HM Abyss lock

(albeit it's really only that way for summoner)

it's a boss that is anomalously difficult for its tier, is really annoying to fight, and gives just about nothing that is worth the trouble compared to another opponent that can give you much better loot and unlocks

[ashen lark]

||I really wish I could suggest a feature, which would be to make terraspark boots It needs to be between 12am and 2am in a post skeletron blood moon, so you have to wait a while as well as beat a hard boss, so you don't get them too early||

[radiant meadow]

iirc for slime god as summoner

don't leave the core for last

or you get fucked hard

kill the core like 2nd or something

[sand umbra]

kill it as early as you can tbf

the longer it is alive, the more chance it has to completely disregard your summons

[crude geode]

No 1.4 bad, also that’s a really bad way of locking it behind skeleton.

[sand umbra]

if you end up with Core last, honestly just restart the fight
you will spend less time redoing it than trying to kill the Core

[radiant meadow]

if you do insist on killing core last

[sand umbra]

especially since you don't get Lunic Eye for SG if following intended progression

[radiant meadow]

you should despawn herrings and summon them directly on top of the core

[crude geode]

One of my pals died to core, not Bc of difficulty of core’s final phase, but because it was so boring they just didn’t put any effort into the fight

Byeah.

[sand umbra]

(personally I think resummoning minions is a really hacky method of viability and the issue could also be prevented by just either speeding up Herrings or slowing down the Core)

(but like that's just my take, and god knows my views on game/mod design differ from like. everyone else's )

[void kelp]

what if you added more directly attacking summons for that tier so you can focus down vulnerable / specific enemies

[radiant meadow]

I think core teleports less than before but I don't even know if that's public or not

[onyx river]

It might have been changed since i beat summonner slime god but i reall don't recall the solo core being that tedious

[crude geode]

Oooooh no, it is.

[void kelp]

I feel like you’d have to use marked magnum as a source of reliable damage

[onyx river]

Has it been changed in the past few months to fly quicker?

[crude geode]

Yes. It has. It also teleports a lot more.

[onyx river]

Ah i see

And also i feel like ressumonning would be a better way than marked magnum, provided you have good accuracy

[crude geode]

That feels like a very hacky method that goes against what summoner usually does in fights.

[onyx river]

But tbh i feel summonning AI as a whole needs a rework

I've had to resommon mid fight a lot during early hardmode bosses with the shellfish staff

And honestly i think resummonning is a good strategy on multiple phases boss like cryogen where a setup that does good against the early phases might be trash against the later ones, it's just that rn with having to right click the buff icon for every minion that you want to change is a major pain

[languid dock]

Bonebreaker suggestion good?

[onyx river]

Well if we forget the existence of daybreak yes

[wooden wedge]

daybreak is vanilla

[crude geode]

Daybreak is a vanilla weapon.

[wooden wedge]

,.,.,

[onyx river]

i know

[wooden wedge]

clam wouldn't change the daybreak

like any other vanilla weapon

iirc

[crude geode]

Yes

They can change Bonebreaker.

[languid dock]

The main issue I see with changing is that skyfin bombers, acid rain barrel, and spent fuel container are all that tier as well, but they’re all bombs which I think are different enough from javelins?

[onyx river]

Yeah

[crude geode]

Yes, it seems alright.

[onyx river]

The bigger problem would be if AR tier 2 didn't have a melee wep but it has another one so it works

[radiant meadow]

bonebreaker is a melee weapon because I wanted it to be

[opal bear]

cool beans

still an inconsistency /shrug

[digital saddle]

like the posessed hatchet upgrade

[radiant meadow]

not to mention bonebreaker is crafted from a throwing weapon, not a rogue weapon

[gusty geode]

Is that ||a message indicating when a Blood Moon ends||

[indigo fog]

Wouldn't a better way to solve this issue be speeding up the herrings to keep up with the core?

[swift wadi]

yes it is

and it's from boss checklist

[worn blaze]

Weird, I thought it was from calamity, kind of fits with the theme of calamity pretty well

[wooden wedge]

@cold pulsar why

you need a reason for your sugg

[radiant meadow]

also like SIS

[civic pond]

consistency ooga booga

[wooden wedge]

kinda SIS

[void kelp]

its very much a SIS and unsupported reasoning

[radiant meadow]

spelunker torches?

[terse sundial]

wow

[cold pulsar]

what's sis?

[wooden wedge]

they want ultrabright torches for the reason of oues

read the don'ts doc

[radiant meadow]

specific item suggestion

[terse sundial]

SIS is specific item suggestions

[cold pulsar]

oh

[terse sundial]

which are currently not allowed

[gusty delta]

Wait why’d you need ultrabright glowsticks when you can use ultrabright torches?

[void kelp]

they arent waterproof ig

[wooden wedge]

for wet

[cold pulsar]

because those don;t work in the abyss

[wooden wedge]

there are waterproof torches iirc

[gusty delta]

Then use regular glowsticks or abyss torches?

[cold pulsar]

yeh, i know but they kinda succ

[gusty delta]

I believe abyss torches work in the abyss

[wooden wedge]

then get a higher light level

[radiant meadow]

abyss torches work underwater

as do ichor and cursed torches

[cold pulsar]

okay, i'll read more carefully before posting, ty all

[gusty delta]

Np

You should delete your sugg btw

[cold pulsar]

done

i just think it's a trivial thing to have 😄

[radiant meadow]

you could suggest ultrabrights be placed underwater

although

that probably would make them way too strong

[gusty delta]

yeah

[cold pulsar]

yeah, that's why i suggest glowstick

[hollow shell]

btw is there anything wrong with the Profaned enemy spawnrate suggestion

[dapper coral]

seems fine to me

[hollow shell]

Somebody pinged him saying that he should use the candles too
and then didn't edit his sugg afterwards, still only mentions the potions

but
if people do think the spawnrates are too high, they can star the sugg

[dapper coral]

he said that he would be using lots of candles

but i feel like they're a bit too high to begin with

[radiant meadow]

the rev/death enemy one isn't fine because that config doesn't exist.

The bonebreaker one is fine but like, I'm not changing it.

[void kelp]

bonebreaker would be an instant deny, but is it still valid to send through?

[radiant meadow]

it's valid

I just won't do it

[gusty delta]

It’s valid, but if it hits 120 stars ig it’s a deny

[swift wadi]

@languid dock Would you like your sugg sent to voting even with the knowledge that it will not be approved by the devs?

[gusty delta]

If that’s the case, is there any point?

[void kelp]

it feels weird to push it through when we know that it'll be an instant deny yeah

[swift wadi]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[void kelp]

bc it just feels like giving someone hope while being 100% aware its a no

[radiant meadow]

just approve it

no harm done

[void kelp]

idk!! i feel bad about approving smth like that but i suppose we did push the yo-yo bag suggestion through

[radiant meadow]

I'm just giving my personal opinion on the matter. but suggestions here should be approved if the suggestion is fine or not.

e.g. if it was change daybreak to rogue, then you don't approve it. but Bonebreaker is fair game.

[swift wadi]

i still feel like just asking the poster and communicating that it wont be approved is the best logical choice

[void kelp]

ye

[hollow shell]

Devs, plural?

Can't remember if or why it's vital that Bonebreaker be kept melee only

@opal bear That config option isn't Rev/Death exclusive, it applies to every mode
so you may wanna correct that

[frozen echo]

hey can anyone get me terraria i've been in this server and it looks like lots of fun. if you buy it for me i can play with you :)) my steam friend code is 1043158849

[void kelp]

wrong channel

[hollow shell]

Don't spam every channel like that

[void kelp]

oh.

[hollow shell]

You're going to get muted @frozen echo

[void kelp]

wait i just noticed. @frozen echo have a warn for spamming in multiple channels.

[frozen echo]

im sry but i really just want the game

i would really appreciate it :)))

[hollow shell]

Ask your parents for it next Christmas

[void kelp]

soliciting on a public server is just going to make you come across as annoying

[frozen echo]

I would ask from my parents but they are both dead

[hollow shell]

ok

[swift wadi]

do you even play the game then

[hollow shell]

I'm sorry to hear about your loss

[void kelp]

ok, not our problem

[hollow shell]

of braincells

[frozen echo]

I would play it if you bought if for me

[hollow shell]

You can stop now

[frozen echo]

hey can anyone get me terraria i've been in this server and it looks like lots of fun. if you buy it for me i can play with you :)) my steam friend code is 1043158849

[civic pond]

annnnd free mod points

[hollow shell]

You should stop now

[frozen echo]

hey can anyone get me terraria i've been in this server and it looks like lots of fun. if you buy it for me i can play with you :)) my steam friend code is 1043158849

[hollow shell]

ok

[void kelp]

ok muted time.

[frozen echo]

im only 10

please

[hollow shell]

Nice

Free mod points

[void kelp]

oh, so

even more.

[gusty geode]

Rip

[void kelp]

alright, kick time. if you rejoin in any time soon, you will be banned. @frozen echo

[hollow idol]

Isnt it a ban regardless or was that changed

[void kelp]

it was changed to kick

[hollow shell]

Doesn't make much sense to ban for age

Unless we wanna remember to unban them in 3 years

[void kelp]

ye, people can grow older and no longer violate ToS

iirc it used to be a thing to ban but now its kick, but ban if rejoin

[subtle oracle]

That's how that works.,.,.,

[void kelp]

also yes tmods have kick perms now

[civic pond]

inb4 they rejoin in 3 years to ask for free terraria again

[subtle oracle]

Oh i see, the consequences were harsher huh

ok

🚶

[civic pond]

oh kick perms now neat

[void kelp]

ye, since rejoining evidently shows that you ignored why you were kicked

such is the fate of users such as YHA-RAM

[hollow idol]

[languid dock]

Hey uh sorry for the late reply but yeah I can delete the suggestion

[hollow shell]

Too late now, lol

It's passed

[languid dock]

Oh rip lol

[hollow shell]

Well
A very delayed rip

120 stars and then a rip

[languid dock]

00f

[dapper coral]

@solid nimbus no suggestions about 1.4 until calamity updates to it

also please use spoiler tags

[queen sail]

Not only that

[solid nimbus]

Ohh my bad, sorry

[queen sail]

||Soaring Insignia||

Bold of you to assume that ||this will not get nerfed in any way, shape or form as soon as Calamity comes to 1.4 ||

[solid nimbus]

Is there a way to do this in mobile? Didn’t have to do spoiler tags before sorry ><

True true, I assume it won’t be terribly broken, it does take an entire accessory slot and has no upgrades, though It can use some sort of toning down possibly

is there a correct place to post 1.4 ideas in the meantime?

[subtle oracle]

The input should be there, on mobile

||

[hollow shell]

Just save your 1.4 suggestion ideas somewhere

and repost em once tMod and Calamity get compatibility

[solid nimbus]

Gotcha, will keep them to a personal-doc for now 👍

[violet dagger]

I don't even think we need to suggest nerfing ||soaring insignia|| infact it'll probably be nerfed by the terraria devs before tmodloader even updates to 1.4

[radiant meadow]

We have plans

It'll take time

[hollow shell]

In 3 days (May 26th, 1AM EST) the Star ⭐ requirement for suggestions will be raised from 120 Stars to 170 Stars.

The recent implementation of the new suggestion system seems to have brought in a large influx of new voters, and as such the average number of stars for suggestions has skyrocketed. At the moment, over half of all suggestions posted are reaching the current Star requirement of 120, and therefore getting delivered to the dev server.

With the overwhelming influx of suggestions being delivered, the devs have agreed that the star requirement will be raised to 170. A public poll will not be hosted on whether or not this raising should occur, as the devs have deemed it unnecessary. It should be raised, and statistics of recent suggestion Star counts found 170 to be a reasonable new requirement.

Thank you for being such avid voters! We'll see you in 3 days.

[hollow shell]

Big raise this time, +50
because good lord, the sugg revamp sure did attract a lot of people

[dapper coral]

indeed it did

but this should hopefully weed out some of the weaker good ones

[hollow shell]

Only the creamiest cream of the crop

[void kelp]

the creamiest for our devs 😉

[subtle oracle]

Oh shit

i, defiantly saw this coming

Amber's Sugg bot really had a effect, what a revolution of Suggs

I still remember when Suggs were bare bones, and SIS were common. Good old days

[hollow shell]

mmm the 35 star requirement

[subtle oracle]

br

[void kelp]

mrrp’s SIS getting in

[worn blaze]

Thank god honestly, I was hoping to get the opportunity to revise my already casted sugg because there were a few things I could've elaborated on a lot more, so hopefully I'll have the chance to do that.

Just gotta hope nobody stars it for the next 3 days

[hollow shell]

pff

[ancient crow]

the devs have agreed

the devs have deemed it unnecessary

???

[wooden wedge]

They seemed the poll unnessicary

[hollow shell]

^

We deemed the raising to be too necessary such that a poll would be unnecessary.

It's gonna happen

[queen sail]

Y’all remember when 70 stars would suffice

[hollow shell]

nope, cuz that was never a requirement :P

[queen sail]

What

[hollow shell]

It was 65

[queen sail]

Oh

Well close enough

[subtle oracle]

Bias towards Colored names etc

[queen sail]

[hollow shell]

indeed

[earnest raptor]

Bias towards Colored names etc
I remember, when Suggestions was needed to be approved by mini-VIPs.

[hollow shell]

A Suggestions Timeline
(not a necessary pin to read, but a fun one)

• In December of 2016, the #suggestions channel was created. Back then, it was used for posting suggestions and also discussing them. There was no voting or delivery. It was unruled chaos, it was.
• In June of 2018, the Rules pin was made by JrTighe.
• In July of 2018, the #suggestions channel was made into a voting channel using ⭐ reactions, where 35 stars got your sugg sent to the dev server... eventually. #suggestions-discussion was created for suggestion discussion, separate from voting. The first suggbot got "implemented", but the bot sucked and didn't automatically add stars nor did it deliver them (as it was intended to do). Mods (and/or Cooldudes) had to manually add the first stars to suggs, which acted as a form of review/approval.
• In August of 2018, the first batch of suggestions got sent to the dev server, and what a big batch it was, considering it was a month backlogged.
• In September of 2018, the requirement got raised to 50 stars.
• In October of 2018, The Legend pin was made, and the bluecheck ☑️ was made official as a result.
• In November of 2018, the Rules pin was reposted by Mrrp so it could receive more active editing.
• In January of 2019, the requirement got raised to 65 stars.
• In February of 2019, a new suggbot was implemented with auto-starring and the ❕ system, which indicated that mods haven't reviewed/approved of your suggestion yet, but you could still gain stars while it was present unlike the prior system.
• In April of 2019, the requirement got raised to 90 stars, which served us well for a while. Also, the Don'ts doc was made.
• In July of 2019, Specific Item Suggestions were banned. And everybody breathed a sigh of relief.

• In September of 2019, a dev voting system for suggestions got implemented in the dev server, making dev feedback (👍 & 🚫) more easy and regular.
• In February of 2020, the requirement got raised to 120 stars.
• In April of 2020, the ❕ system was replaced with a new system: #suggestions-posting was created for temporary sugg posting, and #suggestions was renamed to #suggestions-voting and became locked only for automated bot reposting upon moderator approval of posted suggestions. Suggestions that existed for 24 hours in #suggestions-posting without approval were auto-deleted.
• In May of 2020, the amount of votes skyrocketed as a result of the new system, so the star requirement was raised to 170 stars.
• In August of 2020, the voters continued to skyrocket, so the requirement was raised to 240 stars. But this wouldn't last long...
• Later in August of 2020, the ❗ system was implemented in the #suggestions-posting channel, a reaction manually added to suggestions to indicate that they had a problem. Suggestions without this reaction were now auto-approved, and auto-deletion only occurred to suggestions with the ❗ reaction.
• Even later in August of 2020, after the voter count had absolutely plummeted and was not rebounding, the requirement was lowered to 200 stars.
• In September of 2020, a separate star req was made for server suggestions: 140 stars.
• In January of 2021, server emote suggestions were banned, due to them being meme grey areas, difficult to provide reasoning for, and always causing arguments when posted.
• To be continued....

(whoops, spent an hour on this)

[subtle oracle]

Ah, i loved the Unruled chaos that was pre 2018 Sugg channel

[hollow shell]

(pre 2018, rather)

[subtle oracle]

i loved sugging things that would never make it into Cal 👍

[wooden wedge]

SISs were banned just in July 2019?

Damn

[hollow shell]

Time's crazy to think about sometimes

[subtle oracle]

ye, they were around for a long time. Rookie Members of this discord wouldn't know

[earnest raptor]

One thing.

Suggestions were needed to approve by not Mods, but Cool Dudes.

In 2018 period.

[wooden wedge]

Wait so CDs approved Suggs? Damn that would've been a weird time to live in

[hollow shell]

You're right, Bobylev
I saw suggs with the star added by Ozzatron and didn't even acknowledge that he isn't a moderator

[subtle oracle]

God

[hallow hatch]

Just curious, what if most suggestions are making it through because they’re good suggestions

[hollow shell]

Well yeah that's a given

They're good enough to get through post approval and a whole 120 people agreeing

The problem is we're getting way too many over at the dev server

It's hard to keep up

[subtle oracle]

I figured that was a Present problem

I had a feeling

[crude geode]

Well, most suggestions in suggestion voting are good nowadays

Byeah since it’s flooding dev server I can vibe with this change

[hollow shell]

(I should also mention that the Legend's creation is what officialized the bluecheck ☑️.
I used it briefly beforehand with its intended purpose but didn't think to actually tell anybody what it meant)

[worn blaze]

So do the devs review the user sugg on a monthly basis or just whenever they have time?

[subtle oracle]

I wonder if the mass amount of Approved suggs makes them more difficult to review, like do you review them thoroughly at the dev server? Or do you just Skim through them

[crude geode]

Whenever they get delivered rly, from my experience

[hollow shell]

Define "review", Krav

[crude geode]

^

[worn blaze]

I guess I meant when they decide whether or not to implement the suggs

[hollow shell]

There is a system of reaction voting in the dev server, upvotes & downvotes
The votes are judged after 2 days and the sugg delivery message is edited with [Approved] (and bolded) or [Rejected] (and struck out) depending on which reaction outweighs the other

[subtle oracle]

oh really?

that's pretty Pog

[worn blaze]

That's neeto

[subtle oracle]

Fucking Democracy man

i tell you

[hollow shell]

The approvals there dont guarantee implementation, it just makes it easier to visually sort the wheat from the chaff and also find good stuff using Discord search

[subtle oracle]

What if they achieve implementation? Is there a log for that

[hollow shell]

(there's also [Many Have Suggested] (plus bolding) for bluecheck origin suggs)

[worn blaze]

Changelog ig

[subtle oracle]

Thanks for the Clarification Rover

[hollow shell]

And yeah
[Completed]

is what's added to the sugg in the dev server, along with it being struck out

[onyx river]

Big don't isn't it

[hollow shell]

I will say that a sugg getting implementated is not an official process

It's just whenever a dev feels like doing it, they do it (if the sugg is small and easy)

If it's bigger, devs tend to bring it up in other channels in the dev server

[subtle oracle]

okie

[crude geode]

Hm. This one...is odd.

[worn blaze]

^ I think that's the most difficult aspect if trying to make a suggestion, you never know if it's too difficult, especially when your sugg may involve vanilla code in general

[crude geode]

I can’t really say if it’s Specific enough to be going against the don’ts

[hollow shell]

@brittle girder New boss suggestions aren't allowed

[onyx river]

it's a big change

which isn't allowed

[crude geode]

(Ahh ty Rover)

[brittle girder]

Oh.

God I just can't this right can I?

[hollow shell]

It's fine
Be sure to read the rules, they're pinned in #suggestions-voting

And check out the Don'ts doc if you can, you can find it pinned in all the sugg channels

[brittle girder]

I've read them like 8 times and everytime my suggestion falls into this weird niche of it I don't see

[hollow shell]

(Boss rule is the 2nd rule listed)

[brittle girder]

Like, the bosses thing I thought meant like, battle concepts for confirmed bosses, since the example was a Yharim Boss Concept xD

[worn blaze]

[brittle girder]

Guess that's just my fault then.

Ah well.

[hollow shell]

Well that there would fall into something on the Don'ts doc

Which is that you shouldn't suggest anything regarding future yet-to-be-added content

such as Yharim

[brittle girder]

Eh, alright.

[worn blaze]

Is there a limit to how old a sugg can be to get delivered by the bot in voting?

[onyx river]

they arn't delivered by a bot

[worn blaze]

Oh, whoop

[hollow shell]

24 hours after a sugg gets posted in posting, it's automatically deleted

[worn blaze]

I ment when it's in voting

[hollow shell]

If you're talking about voting suggs gettin delivered to the dev server, that is done manually

yeah

[worn blaze]

Oh whoop x2

[hollow shell]

In the future it may be automated

but thas a bit of a big project

[worn blaze]

24 hours after a sugg gets posted in posting, it's automatically deleted

Is that a new thing?

[hollow shell]

Amber (bot creator) was working on it for a long time then lost all her progress at one point

and that's been a thing since the new system involving the #suggestions-posting channel

Part of the core design (which you can see a flowchart of, pinned in this channel)

[worn blaze]

I think I remembered my post lasting longer than that, then again, it's almost 4am where I am so I could just be goofing up

[hollow shell]

Sometimes the bot lags behind a bit, so you can get a few extra hours

Anything that makes it to #suggestions-voting though, stays permanently

[worn blaze]

Oh, I guess that was just me having a very long day

Thanks for clarifying

[hollow shell]

np

[tawny garden]

How far do devs go to find suggs with 120 stars tho?

[worn blaze]

They prolly have a screen in the shape of a mobius strip so that they can see all suggs

[tawny garden]

[hollow shell]

Sometimes someone scrolls back to look for old ones that hit it
But, usually it's only the past few days

as suggs get a vast majority of their votes in the first day or two

[worn blaze]

Cept for mine, which pretty much was posted right as journey's end was released

That's def on me tho

Lol

[hollow shell]

Which one is yours?

[worn blaze]

The one with the dash binding thingy

[hollow shell]

Dang, it got close

[worn blaze]

Yeah it's been hard stuck at 111 since yesterday

[subtle oracle]

Rip

[worn blaze]

I'm thinking about reposting it after the new star system is in place

[subtle oracle]

You can repost your suggs after 1 week passes

[worn blaze]

It's been more than a week but Ima wait

[tawny garden]

If a suggestion with ☑️ reaches 120 stars, the past suggestion gets marked as being highly suggested.
Wait a sec, does that mean #suggestions-voting message will be marked as highly suggested cause it got twice over the limit?

[hollow shell]

no

[subtle oracle]

acording to the pins on #suggestions-voting

[hollow shell]

(honestly it'd be wise to post it prior, Krav)

It's not very likely it'd accumulate 50 more votes than it did about a week ago

Reposting it in the next day or two with improvements would give you a good chance of reaching the 120 req

[worn blaze]

I think both journey's end hype and it being drowned out kinda contributed to it, it is really close though, so I'm also gonna give it a chance

I also realised that w is a really good key to bind dash to, since it isn't really used for anything other than mounts iirc, and my entire phat middle finger is dedicated to pressing it as well

[subtle oracle]

Go for it, who knows. Reception might be different Krav

[worn blaze]

Ye that's what I'm hoping for, if not then I have to learn 2 code

Also I saw that...

[subtle oracle]

Misspelling

[worn blaze]

Coincidentally my name used to be krabcake

At least my steam name anyways

Also idk if anyone has talked about the new sugg

[hollow shell]

New sugg? The one still in posting, you mean?

[worn blaze]

Yee

Even tho I can't relate, tis not a bad sugg

[tawny garden]

There was a message by Fabsol somewhere in #mod-announcements saying that he's gotta compromise

[hollow shell]

I pinged @opal bear about something they needed to edit (that being, the config in question is not Rev/Death exclusive) a few hours ago, but I guess they went to bed

[tawny garden]

#mod-announcements message

[exotic ibex]

a lil off topic question

[worn blaze]

^I wish I could rn Rover, i sat in my bed for 3 hours tryna sleep, I am a failure at everything lol

[exotic ibex]

we'll see a suggestions changes in changelog?

[hollow shell]

pff

It's 4AM where I am as well

[worn blaze]

I'm listening to a song called 4am at 4am

[subtle oracle]

I'm saying this again, but you must have alot of time in your hands for this channel Rover

I mean, now that Classes are over. Things have gotten easier

[hollow shell]

mhm
Poor wiki's suffered as a result :P

I used to be the wiki guy
then I was the wiki & sugg guy
Now I'm just the sugg guy

(I still do edit the wiki occasionally)

[worn blaze]

I still suffer from the phantom pain that is CIS

[acoustic ferry]

so who is the wiki man now

[hollow shell]

Temp, I suppose

Temp35

[acoustic ferry]

congratulations temp you're wiki man now

[worn blaze]

Wiki gang

[hollow shell]

(I don't think he's active anywhere outside of the wiki chats)

[acoustic ferry]

congra;tulations rover you're sugg man now

[crude geode]

I must say, looking at histories for pages is odd...

[subtle oracle]

The other wiki gods/admins like Minecat, temp, and you can do the work. I guess piss names work as well

But us contribs

We contribute, dont underestimate us

Anyways

[worn blaze]

I must say, looking at histories for pages is odd...

That's only cuz of me

[acoustic ferry]

how do you contrib to wiki

[onyx river]

You ask a mod

[hollow shell]

Anyone can edit the wiki, there's a button at the top of every page

(two buttons actually)

[subtle oracle]

Ye, doesn't matter if you don't have an account

But having an account makes things easier

[hollow shell]

but you can ask a mod for a wiki contributor role, which lets you access a wiki discussion channel

[acoustic ferry]

oh i thought it was in some kind of mode where only a select few can edit
since you have wiki editor in your discord tags

[tawny garden]

Or, in my case, I got it because I was editing badly

[worn blaze]

Pro gamer move

[hollow shell]

Wiki Editors are people who edit the wiki for a long time and have shown to be good editors

Wiki Editors get access to the mod's source code so they can fact check easier & more thoroughly

[acoustic ferry]

welp then next time i see an inconsistency i might learn how wikis work

[worn blaze]

Also did that poster say deadweight Nero: ...

[hollow shell]

They did indeed

[worn blaze]

Happy 4:20

You did not just do that...

[hollow shell]

pff
aight I think we've been a bit offtopic

[worn blaze]

True

[subtle oracle]

Yeah,

Discussing the Wiki roles and all of that is pretty interesting tho, I know that you've repeated this many times in the Rover

[worn blaze]

Not too much to talk about, maybe you guys can help me revise my sugg about dash binding

[hollow shell]

It's okay. I'm notoriously forgetful so explaining the same things over and over doesn't bother me
Always feels new

[worn blaze]

Tbh my mind is splitting apart from not getting any sleep because my blanket just makes me slightly hot enough for my brain to say "no sleep 4 u"

[hollow shell]

(same)
Improvement for your sugg right off the bat is that you should prolly separate your body paragraph more
it's a bit of a wall of text atm

[worn blaze]

A bit forgivable imo cuz I typed it on mobile, and I just now have access to a pc a couple days ago so I could fix it felix it up on that one

Very understandable tho def

[hollow shell]

I'm wondering too if you should cut down on the suggestion's content in general, because not all of that may be necessary and it's good to be concise
On the other hand, it's also good to cover all your bases and explain your ideas and reasoning fully
so

We'll just see how it is once you separate it a bit

[worn blaze]

Yeah I could cut down the intro by a lot, as most of it was redundant

[subtle oracle]

How will we even view Krav's sugg. It's not on posting from the looks of things

Message link?

[worn blaze]

It's on voting

[subtle oracle]

.,.,.,.

🚶‍♂️

[hollow shell]

Just look up "dash bind" in sugg voting

And ye the 2nd and 3rd body sentences could prolly be merged, or one of the two cut down a lil

jesus with the typos

[worn blaze]

I could reduce the redundancy a bit by listing an example instead, like dmode dog.

^I understand lol, mobile gang rise up

[hollow shell]

An example could help yeah

Laser walls do indeed require precision

[worn blaze]

So instead of "some really tuff bosses" I could just list dog's final phase bullet hell. And yeah I can recall several times throughout the fight where I fat fingered the dash and dog caught up to me, or when I try to get in between the horizontal lazer wall

[subtle oracle]

Oh God, Rover might have mentioned this already. But this Sugg needs to be spaced out more its a cluster of text

[worn blaze]

Tru, I was worried that page breaks might affect the process of approval somehow...

[subtle oracle]

Have there been much Emote Suggs throughout these past weeks? If anything

[worn blaze]

Yeah, there was one for the non animated version of the pog

The devs are gonna look at the specific item binding option and be like

[subtle oracle]

Oh yeah, Pog fish

Its the only pog emote here

But only the animated version exists

I wonder why this server lacks a Pog, the Calamity Art server has one for dawn's sake

[hollow shell]

@civic gust That would be a weirdly specific config option

It'd probably be better to just take the initiative and ask that they be made semi-transparent

[civic gust]

i guess so

should i edit it?

[hollow shell]

imo yes

[civic gust]

k then

@hollow shell better?

[hollow shell]

Better. 👍

[civic gust]

[hollow shell]

I'll leave it up for a bit in case anybody else has feedback on it as a suggestion, and prolly approve it in the morning

[civic gust]

aight

[subtle oracle]

No longer a configuration option sugg huh

Ye, those don't do well

I agree with this sugg ngl, I hate it when a Dart just flanks me from the side out of nowhere as soon as it emerges out of a non transparent moon

[civic gust]

its worse with double scal

8 moons...

[brittle girder]

4th one posted, I'm like 98% sure this one doesn't break any rules.

feedback please.

[hollow idol]

look at frequently suggesteds

[brittle girder]

oh for fuck

y'know what fuck it clearly I can't read so my ideas won't be any use to anyone

[tepid root]

[void kelp]

I love history so I pinned it

you can always ask for clarification !

[toxic kettle]

170 stars oh my

[digital saddle]

I remember when the req was 50

[hollow shell]

ah
problem is the history is multiple messages

[hollow shell]

Hrm that's quite a chonky pin

[void kelp]

ah

[civic pond]

170 now?

[hollow shell]

Hang on I can make this work

and ye

[civic pond]

I'm sure it'll be fine, but that seems like quite a bit

[agile cloud]

the pin doesnt even fit the whole history

[hollow shell]

There we go

Now it's like a link

[void kelp]

nice

[hollow shell]

(and I made some corrections, cuz I noticed a few oddities)

[toxic kettle]

have fun getting 170 stars with a suggestion longer than 3 lines

[hollow shell]

It'll probably be hard getting a sugg to 170 for a while, considering people are busy with 1.4 at the moment
But once we get compatibility there's gonna be a whole bunch of people doing new playthroughs and making suggs and voting on em,
and the 170 will be even more worth it

(Considering tMod is now separate we'll still prolly be seeing a steady flow of suggs for a while tho)

[void kelp]

ye

[proud tree]

I feel that some of Scal's dialogue could use some tweaking kinda like the DoG dialogue tweak

Her dialogue literally being sans doesn't fit with the fight anymore

[hollow shell]

Her dialogue isn't literally sans tho

It hasn't been for about 2 years

[wooden wedge]

Update your mod iirc

[proud tree]

.

My main point is that the style of the fight doesn't necessarily match with the gameplay

But I understand the counterclaim

[wooden wedge]

Not much you can really do with gameplay in terraria,,..,

[hollow shell]

The summoning and defeat quotes still do resemble it, with the meta-talk about dying multiple times
but all the fight progression quotes are distinctly unique

[proud tree]

True

If someone were to go into Scal blind in revengeance in the current update, how may attempts do you think they would take

[wooden wedge]

Quite a lot since she's the only superboss

[proud tree]

Fair

[wooden wedge]

And even for an informed player, quite a lot

And a pro, quite a lot

[hushed vortex]

I mean. It took me ten times on my first playthrough. So I'm guessing a lot

[proud tree]

Were you on rev, expert, or death

[hushed vortex]

normal

[hollow shell]

Ten times seems pretty good for a first time

oh

[proud tree]

oh

[hollow shell]

:P

[hushed vortex]

I am shit at dodging.

[proud tree]

Same

On the topic of sans tho...

"Alright, I'm done counting. You probably died this much just to see what I'd say."

This exists

[hushed vortex]

But I'm doing another one on expert. Which means I'll probably die even more.

[proud tree]

I'd still say that there is a handful of remnants of sans lines in the battle

[hollow shell]

You could suggest that they get rewritten

Wouldn't be as significant as main lines

[proud tree]

That's what I was thinking of doing yeah

[hollow shell]

considering you only see that specific line after 50 deaths, lotta players never see it

but it still do exist

[proud tree]

I personally think that the death quotes should only be in death mode

Or revengeance maybe

[hollow shell]

Why?
It's easier to die that many times in those modes

[proud tree]

How so

[hollow shell]

unless you mean her death quotes

"Third time's the charm", etc

[proud tree]

I was thinking of the quotes she says at the beginning based on the players deaths

[hollow shell]

Yeah, again
Easier to die a lot in Death mode than Normal Mode

so, not much reason to restrict em

[proud tree]

That's fair

[proud tree]

@bitter drift That suggestion is a really cool idea

[hollow shell]

Sounds fair

[bitter drift]

i got another one comin' right up

[onyx river]

Seems cool, nuggets are pretty forgettable rn

[wooden wedge]

heaven hallow?

[proud tree]

that was just a joke ye

[wooden wedge]

also what's with the second line break?

[bitter drift]

movie cut joke endstone

[wooden wedge]

what

ok but

second line break,./.,

[bitter drift]

here

i though i wrote an a

[hollow shell]

what

25% drop rate is the lowest of- what?

[frail mantle]

they do have drops outside of the core

[wooden wedge]

what's with the line breaks though

,./,./

[frail mantle]

also

[wooden wedge]

adir is your keyboard ok

[frail mantle]

[[Legendary Items]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Legendary_Items?action=edit&redlink=1

[bitter drift]

yes

[frail mantle]

fucking

[[Legendary items]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Legendary_items

[bitter drift]

@hollow shell i mean that they have a single drop witch has a 25% of dropping

that's low compared to any boss

[wooden wedge]

can you make that clear in your sugg then

[bitter drift]

i said that

[wooden wedge]

since it's pretty odd to read

[frail mantle]

25% is far from the lowest drop rate of any boss drop

[hollow shell]

It really sounds like you're saying that a 1/4 drop rate is the lowest drop rate of any boss drop item

because you say "drop rate"

[worn blaze]

@civic gust fix the typo my man

[hollow shell]

What typo

[wooden wedge]

obsured

instead of obscured

[hollow shell]

Thank you

[wooden wedge]

(should've made that clear in the ping,.,./,.,.,.,)

[hollow shell]

also I do want to point out that all of the Guardian items were designed to have useful utility purpose for all classes

Deliverance for mobility, Resilience for defending, and Convergence for healing

Would even more weapon options for each class in that tier really be more valuable?

[bitter drift]

it's not that this is the lowest in % it's the fact that they drop a SINGLE item who has a 25% chance of dropping

almost every other boss has at least a single drop of 100%

[gray nebula]

what

there's 3 guardians

so in total you have a 75% chance of getting an item

really not that low

[bitter drift]

not really

[hollow shell]

You really should edit the "drop rates" parenthesis message, to say "drop amount" or "lowest amount of items they can drop" or something

"rate" specifically refers to the chance

[bitter drift]

it's really 25 + 25 + 25 : 3

[gray nebula]

not really

???.

[bitter drift]

@hollow shell ok

[hollow shell]

yeah probability doesn't add up easily like that Iban

[wooden wedge]

wouldn't it be

25% x 3

[bitter drift]

no

[gray nebula]

no

[hollow shell]

You gotta calculate a combination or something

[worn blaze]

.25 x 3

[wooden wedge]

that;s the same as 25% x 3 though

,./,.,

[hollow shell]

.... or does it

hm

[gray nebula]

you have 3 essays for a 1/4 chance

[hollow shell]

fuck, I gotta write 3 essays before I fight providence

[wooden wedge]

dammit

[hollow shell]

[gray nebula]

tries*

[wooden wedge]

but I mean

3 chances for a 1/4 drop

should be clear

[worn blaze]

1/4 + 1/4 + 1/4

[wooden wedge]

.,,..,

[worn blaze]

=3/4

[wooden wedge]

probability is a fuck

[gray nebula]

yeah if you make 2 coin flips, theoretically you should have a 100% chance for a tails

[hollow shell]

pardon

[worn blaze]

No

[wooden wedge]

thats the adding part

[gray nebula]

yeah no a 75 percent chance

or is it

[hollow shell]

God damn it

[wooden wedge]

1/2 + 1/2 = 2/2

[gray nebula]

I don't have any paper available I can't make operations

[wooden wedge]

which is the same as 1/4 + 1/4 +1/4 = 3/4

so like

[hollow shell]

You clearly don't have a 100% chance because you can flip a coin twice and get two heads

[worn blaze]

That's a different scenario

[wooden wedge]

it's not a 75% chance to get an item

[gray nebula]

yeah but it's more likely yeah

fuck lemme actually do the maths

[worn blaze]

75% to get each item in any combination

[wooden wedge]

fucking MATH

ugh

.,/.,.

[frail mantle]

coin flipping is an independent 50% chance

whatever you got on the last flip doesn't affect the outcome of the next flip

[wooden wedge]

which is the same as the guardians

right

[gray nebula]

the chance of you not getting anything is uhh

[worn blaze]

But 100% chance to get heads or tails in any combination

[gray nebula]

1 - 0.75^3

[frail mantle]

yea guardian drops are also independent chances

[proud tree]

hooh boy

[worn blaze]

Would be different for one coin flip

[wooden wedge]

I'm going to just

adios

since I can't do math

[gray nebula]

it's 0.68 percent

around this number

[hollow shell]

Alright

That seems right

I forgot about the thing where you do a power of the chance of failure

[gray nebula]

science

so in the end it's still higher than a one out of 2 drop chance for at least one item

[hollow shell]

(except 0.75^3 is actually 0.42
so the chance is 58%)

[gray nebula]

yeah i kinda failed this part but that's nto the point smh

[hollow shell]

.... so yeah you have a 58% chance of getting a Profaned Guardian item in any given fight

[worn blaze]

Is this technically off-topic?

[hollow shell]

no

[gray nebula]

no this is advanced mathematics to determine if adir's suggestion is correct

[hollow shell]

cuz "low drop rates" is inaccurate and adir still hasn't edited that out

[bitter drift]

left or right Yonge or old man or a woman we all know, math sucks

[worn blaze]

I'm sure it's not advanced

[gray nebula]

legendaries

[worn blaze]

I just completely blanked out during my unit on probability

Or all units rather

[gray nebula]

ok so in the end we determined that it's more likely for you to get a drop than not

= this is mathematically wrong

[hollow shell]

yeah, over half chance

@wide granite Future content suggestions (including 1.4-related content) is a Don't

Save your sugg for when Calamity gets compatibility with 1.4

[gray nebula]

ppl suggesting 1.4 stuff that's very obvious

[worn blaze]

@wide granite always before posting

[gray nebula]

next time : "add bestiary entries for calamity 1.4"

[wooden wedge]

update calamity to 1.4
you guys are missing out on a huge update by not having calamity on 1.4

[worn blaze]

I have a feeling that someone's gonna post "update calamity mo-

[wooden wedge]

,.,.,.,.,..,./,/.,/,

[worn blaze]

^

[hollow shell]

(and if you're suggesting that we add summoner whips now, before we update to 1.4
that'd just be a big waste of time cuz it'll be very hard for us to do that function from scratch, when we'll have a very clear base once 1.4 does come out for Calamity)

[wide granite]

I wasn’t trying to ask for a 1.4 update, though now that I think about it that is how it sounded

Sorry

[wooden wedge]

you're asking for 1.4 content

though

[wide granite]

Yes

[wooden wedge]

so

kill sugg

[wide granite]

I’m well aware I did a dumb

[hollow shell]

Kill sugg for now

[gray nebula]

and so also @bitter drift are you gonna edit your suggestion about the donut drops

[worn blaze]

Also I'm pretty sure one of the devs would prolly think of that since summoner targetting is already

[gray nebula]

also i really dont know what you would want them to drop, their "only one item" are already p good

[bitter drift]

@gray nebula idk, did you take a look?

[gray nebula]

wha

its still mathematically incorrect

[hollow shell]

You do say "they drop almost nothing except money and the consumable core for providence."
which kinda flippantly ignores the three potentially very useful unique items that they each drop

[gray nebula]

"most of the time" translates to 60 to 90%

(thanks google)

however you only have a 42% change of not getting any items

= wrong

and also they are useful as rover said

[hollow shell]

Duke Fishron does also drop "almost nothing except money" if you happen to ignore the 8 other items he drops

[worn blaze]

Duke fishron has a treasure bag tho

[gray nebula]

i guess that it's a worthless piece of garbage if it not a weapon

[hollow shell]

thas true
Guardians could get a treasure bag

Sentinels too

It'd help with makin em effective with Arma

[worn blaze]

Ye, I hope so so I don't have to try and squint to see the drop sprites on the map

Especially for signus

[toxic kettle]

what about a bag for SCal

[queen sail]

the three useful drops that they do drop

[frail mantle]

will exist when someone sprites it

[queen sail]

checks wiki

sees literally nothing but the same drop pool

[hollow shell]

Look at their individual infoboxes

They each drop it directly

The one for all three is what drops from the last remaining guardian

[queen sail]

...okay since when were these added

[gray nebula]

recently

[hollow shell]

Few updates back, pretty recent

[queen sail]

[gray nebula]

?

[hollow shell]

Mid-April

[worn blaze]

Speaking about drop chances, does the adult eidolon wyrm still have a 100% drop rate for the halibut cannon?

[hollow shell]

Yes afaik

[frail mantle]

ye

[hollow shell]

Just checked and yes, still 100% on Adult

[worn blaze]

Noice

[gray nebula]

yes there's ways to cheese it with icicle and the fact that it doesnt despawn properly but at this point you're asking to ruin your playthrough

[hollow shell]

It also still takes like 5-10 minutes or more, doesn't it?

[queen sail]

...why does relic of convergence sound like it sucks

[gray nebula]

still dont get why people are unironicially using / advising others to use it

[queen sail]

[gray nebula]

convergence doesnt suck during some cocoon phases / bullet hells

[hollow shell]

It's reusable healing that's independent of Potion Sickness

[queen sail]

Yes but mmmmmm

Halved movement speed for four seconds for like

[gray nebula]

that or when you're waiting for your favorite god eating worm to switch phases

[queen sail]

Less healing than the first healing pot

[hollow shell]

well yeah but it's potentially every four seconds

unlike the first healing pot which is every minute

[gray nebula]

summoners

[worn blaze]

Pffft imagine making something else play the game for you lul

Not really cool unless it's a stand

[hollow shell]

This post was made by the Melee Gang

[worn blaze]

Imagine not having to use mana

[hushed vortex]

One time me and my friend were just doing some vanilla expert mode. And I saw him type in the chat "Summoners seem stupidly OP" and I just laughed.

[worn blaze]

And having more def

Pretty low

Y'know what? Imagine playing terraria, just go outside, chop down trees and build an arena yourself

[hushed vortex]

Ah yes. Let me build floating platforms and start about 10 campfires in my backyard.

[worn blaze]

Lemme just spend my retirement fund on some candles

[hollow shell]

but god damn it if they ain't the best candles you've ever smelt

[hushed vortex]

Lemme just make wooden prisons that people voluntarily come to live in.

[worn blaze]

Idk how npc happiness is gonna work for calamity npcs

[hollow shell]

The programming will probably be simple

There's already some NPC relationships established in dialogue so we won't even have to think about who'd like who either

Cirrus loves Stylist and hates/dislikes Tavernkeep

Amidias hates Angler

[hushed vortex]

Make Amidias want to live at the bottom of the abyss

[worn blaze]

Doesn't everyone hate the angler tho?

[hollow shell]

Surprisingly no

[subtle oracle]

Pirate hates the angler iirc

[worn blaze]

No

[hollow shell]

Pirate actually likes/loves the Angler

[worn blaze]

He Simps for him

[hollow shell]

cuz he's got a passion for the sea I spose

[worn blaze]

Autocorrect my dude wth are you on?

[hollow shell]

simp is short for Simpson

[worn blaze]

My phone screen is freaking out and not letting me edit

Thar we go

[subtle oracle]

Transition to a PC or somethin

[worn blaze]

Wym?

[subtle oracle]

Nvm

As long as you can edit your sugg

[wooden wedge]

what sugg is there to edit though,.,,./

[hollow shell]

prolly Krav's old one they were talkin about last night

[worn blaze]

I'm sorry but I am confusion

I was talking about editing Simp

[radiant meadow]

iirc ||Golfer|| likes living near Angler because he bribes him

[worn blaze]

He a pimp

Has the spent fuel canister been nerfed? If not I may make a sugg

[terse sundial]

I'll check in dev

no, nothing recently has been changed about it

Please provide boss killtimes if you're going to make a balance suggestion

[indigo fog]

Destroyer had a resist to SFC iirc and his resists were fixed this update though

[worn blaze]

I've used it in rev and it shreds, I'll test it in dmode

Without a rogue setup btw

[indigo fog]

When did you test it

it shouldn't melt anything anymore

[worn blaze]

^did they change it?

[terse sundial]

We balance in rev mode

[indigo fog]

SFC didn't get changed but resists were fixed recently

[terse sundial]

no rage or adren, using a balanced loadout (no glasscannon builds)

[worn blaze]

I'll def have to test it in dmode, I'll do it with and without a rogue setup on bosses and enemies

[hollow shell]

It did get really nerfed shortly after it was implemented
so if you used it in like the past month then it ought to be about the same as current

if you used it as soon as the update with it came out then
yeah, it was overpowered

[terse sundial]

mhm

[worn blaze]

I used it during 1.4.4.2 so maybe

[terse sundial]

probably explains it

update your mod

[worn blaze]

No I did, I was just wondering about it cause I remember it melting bosses and enemies easily

[hollow shell]

best to re-test

[ocean palm]

Does anyone else think that a Sulphurskin potion should negate all the sulphuric damage and not just some of it?

[hollow shell]

Perhaps.
The potions are a bit easy to acquire tho, and there also wouldn't be any stacking with the Sulphurous armor set anymore

[ocean palm]

True

I just think that the Sulphur skin potions should be more useful

[wooden wedge]

it'd make later upgrades useless

[ocean palm]

hm.

[hollow shell]

Later upgrades?

[wooden wedge]

like AS lore

[ocean palm]

All I can think of is the armour

[wooden wedge]

or like

one part of it

[ocean palm]

Although maybe some new thing with the armour like making the leeches less likely to attack your or something will balance it out

Or something along those lines

[hollow shell]

Well AS lore still works permanently from the inventory and has the Well Fed effect

so it's not wholly useless if the potion makes you immune too

[wooden wedge]

yeah but it's obtained much much later

[ocean palm]

I just think that it would be easier on players if they don't have to grind sulphuric scales

[wooden wedge]

in HM as opposed to like

post EoC?

[ocean palm]

what the hell is this coded language

[wooden wedge]

acronyms

[hollow shell]

Makes things quicker and easier if you've been talking in this server for a long time

[wooden wedge]

hardmode and eye of cthulthu

[hollow shell]

s'cumbersome to always type out "Aquatic Scourge" and "Eye of Cthulhu"

[ocean palm]

Ah.

ah, so that what AS stands for

I never have liked acronyms

Although Aquatic Scourge can be a bit hard to type a lot.

[wooden wedge]

a lot of shit is just boring to type

[ocean palm]

I enjoy typing

[hollow shell]

heh

[ocean palm]

Anyways, I honestly really think that the Sulphurskin potion should do more

than just take of a little damage

[true lance]

Imagine typing, “The Devourer of Gods” instead of “DoG

[ocean palm]

The devourer of gods is fun to type

[hollow shell]

maybe
but again, after a while it's tedious

[ocean palm]

Perhaps

[hollow shell]

(I've been here for over 2 years)

[true lance]

Yeah

[wooden wedge]

you may enjoy it but a lot of people don't

[ocean palm]

that's a long time

[wooden wedge]

it makes everyones lives a lot easier

[hollow shell]

It is. Crazy to think about sometimes

[ocean palm]

oh I just realized your a dev

[hollow shell]

lol

[ocean palm]

I probably should have noticed that earlier

[hollow shell]

Anyway yeah you could suggest that Sulphurskin Potions get buffed to make you fully immune

Gotta explain your reasoning of course

in the suggestion

[true lance]

I mean I really don’t care to use the Sulphurskin potion but yeah

I can see how it could be useful

[ocean palm]

how do put in spaces between paragrpahes

[wooden wedge]

shift + enter

[ocean palm]

Maybe make the effect time less to even it out

[wooden wedge]

don't put too many in

or too many paragraphs

[dapper coral]

the only way i can see that you could buff the sulphurskin potion without completely invalidating the effect of AS lore would be to make the potion have some sort of downside, yeah

like less effect time

or maybe decreased def while in the sea, etc.

[true lance]

We don’t need a 2 page essay in MLA format

[hollow shell]

Shift+Enter yeah

[dapper coral]

something like that

[wooden wedge]

since if it's a really long sugg for something as small as making SS pots make you fully immune it'll be less likely to get stars

iirc

since reading is a fuck

[hollow shell]

I think the cumbersomeness of needing to constantly use the potions is balance enough

They're relatively cheap but they only last 2 minutes
They could be nerfed to last even 1 minute

[wooden wedge]

bind quick buff to M1

,.,.

[subtle oracle]

Yoink some Textures from other items iirc

[hollow shell]

(maybe wanna specify in the mainline "Sulphuric Sea water" or "Sulphuric Sea poison" so people don't think you'd be totally invincible in that biome with that potion)

[ocean palm]

oh

I want it to be immune from the effect

like the posion you get for being in the water

that deals you damage

[hollow shell]

Yeah I know but "Sulphurous Sea" is the name of the whole biome

[worn blaze]

Tbh of this gets added I'll just be vibing with luiafk

[hollow shell]

so "negate all damage from the Sulphuric Sea" sounds like you're suggesting something a bit more extreme

yee that's better

[ocean palm]

ok

[hollow shell]

hmm you could elaborate more on why the current potions don't work well or why buffing them like this would be better
Only parts you seem to mention that are "Currently the Sulphurskin Potions don't really do much." and saying that the buff would "make sense"
would be good to explain why you think that

[dapper coral]

do yall mind telling me how often you use triumph potions, and what for? i was wondering if it's worth making a suggestion for them

(i think that's what they're called, it's the ones that make enemies deal less contact damage with the less health they have)

[civic pond]

I only use em for bosses

Use them when I can really

I just dislike the fact that its kind of short(?)

[dapper coral]

i tried em out for DoG but idk how useful they were since i also had flesh totem

[onyx river]

really usefull on fights like yharon or fishron to tank the later phases

[sand umbra]

I kinda wish Triumph Potions weren't such ingredient hogs

[crude geode]

The problem I have is that the reduction to contact damage is so minor, the potion lasts for 2 minutes, and yes it's a big ingredient hog.

[sand umbra]

a.k.a. giving them a more efficient recipe would be great

Stormlion Mandibles suck to farm

[worn blaze]

Or just use luiafk

[hollow shell]

3 Victory Shards and a Stormlion Mandible doesn't seem that bad

then again it does only last 2 minutes

[sand umbra]

and it's one potion per Mandible

Stormlions aren't exactly the most common enemies to begin with and the Mandible droprate is halved after DS if I remember rightly

(guaranteed pre-, 50% post-)

[worn blaze]

But yeah w/o luiafk they prolly need some sort of change to balance them out

[sand umbra]

Triump Potions are also, as you mentioned, very short-lived

[hollow shell]

I don't think it would be a good idea to remove them from the recipe, considering you only need 2 in your whole playthrough otherwise

[dapper coral]

yeah 10% is nothing

[onyx river]

Bruh the reduct to contact damage is def not minor

no

[hollow shell]

Prolly better to ask for the Mandible drop rate to be buffed

[sand umbra]

definitely don't remove 'em from the recipe

[dapper coral]

don't remove em yeah

[sand umbra]

but like making the recipe a bit more efficient would be nice

[dapper coral]

maybe getting 2 potions for one mandible?

or something like that

[sand umbra]

yeah

either 2 for 1 or 3 for 2

just. anything at all to make the recipe more efficient on ingredients

[onyx river]

i mean i feel that stormlion mandible would make more sense on tesla potion thematically

[sand umbra]

oh yeah

why does the Tesla Potion not take Stormlion Mandibles

(in exchange for, like I mentioned with Triumph, a more efficient recipe)

[hollow shell]

wew yeah that seems like a missed opportunity

[dapper coral]

wait yeah lol

[hollow shell]

Replace the "any gold ore" with that

[sand umbra]

like Tesla Potions are perfect for the job of giving Stormlion Mandibles a use past DS

especially since you unlock the Prism Shards needed to make them at precisely the point you no longer need Stormlion Mandibles otherwise (aside from Storm Spray but nobody cares about Storm Spray, no I'm not inherently biased against Ranger as a class, shut up)

[crude geode]

the fuck is ranged storm spray?

[sand umbra]

wait

[crude geode]

you mean storm surge?

[dapper coral]

that's the magic weapon, storm surge is ranged