like, if you use it and fail to get the kill, you've just wasted an extremely limited resource
#suggestions-discussion
ashen warren
No, @potent lake, I mean from a different mod! They wouldn't put other mod's recipes into it's own wiki, would they?
Would they?
Also, @onyx river, they actually aren't. Yes, they are separate mods, and you might be right about them meant to be played separately, but there is nothing wrong with them being played together. After all, there is a config.json setting that buffs Thorium bosses in Revengeance/Death mode.
elder mist
yeah it's meant to not be necessary
it's meant to be a help for newbies to deal some big damage to bosses they're struggling with
ashen warren
Wrong time?
digital saddle
so like
rapid pivot
(am I bad for using it on DMode Doggo)
digital saddle
allowing people to bruteforce past yharon or whatever?
rapid pivot
(because screw that boss)
potent lake
If Calamity added Thorium items to its recipe groups, they would be listed on the Wiki.
elder mist
pretty much, yeah
ashen warren
Noice.
elder mist
i think up to today i've only used hydra vs duke fishron
digital saddle
i guess that makes more sense
indigo fog
oh i just used them to kill minibosses like reaper shark in 2 seconds
onyx river
never used any of them but do see the point
ashen warren
Also I just realized, there is no Gallant Hamaxe. What.
Suggestion time!
digital saddle
might use bazooka vs mechs because i hate them
onyx river
The newbies that it's meant for are prolly gonna be the ones that waste the ammo the fastest
and well i guess infinite ammo for them would make them broken against normal ennemies
but against bosses they are already balanced by the fact that you can only fire them a limited amoount of time
onyx river
Well this is dumb
digital saddle
75% of yharons hp with hydra lol
onyx river
lul
gray nebula
xeroc armor is already rogue specific
and like theres a xeroc sword a xeroc gun and a xeroc tome too
maybe because ,,; : ;, , ,xeroc stuff isnt really the 5th lunar fragment
frail mantle
why do you specifically mention making Xeroc armor rogue when it already is, but then bring up the Xeroc Greatsword out of nowhere
frail mantle
also iirc there being non-rogue Meld items is an artifact from when the Meld set (including the armor) was all-class
digital saddle
i think its fine to have meld bars be usable for other classes
frail mantle
yea
frail mantle
as Iban said, Meld Bars isn't the Rogue lunar fragment
indigo fog
meld blobs have several differences from lunar fragments and like the only connection is xeroc being a rogue armor
ashen warren
But mostly rogue, which is what I'm saying!
Sorry.
Just a reply to an earlier message.
frail mantle
but most Meld Bar crafts being Rogue doesn't make it a Rogue set
indigo fog
also isn't this 2 suggs in one message
rapid pivot
isn't this a SIS
ashen warren
"It serves as the Lunar-tier armor for the rogue class."-Official Calamity Mod Wiki. See? The wiki says it itself!
frail mantle
that's the armor set, not the material set
ashen warren
Oh, no.
Oh, NO.
The Tome of Fates has come to haunt me!
MAGIC WEAPON!
MADE OF MELD BARS!
frail mantle
that's like saying Perennial is a melee set because it crafts 4 melee weapons and can be crafted into the melee Reaver set
well, maybe not exactly but you get what i mean
rapid pivot
'gallant hamaxe' isn't specific?
dapper violet
literally a SIS
ashen warren
What's a S.I.S?
frail mantle
specific item suggestion
ashen warren
Oh...is that bad?
frail mantle
they aren't allowed
ashen warren
...
gray nebula
frail mantle
cause most of them were usually just Add my epic uwu-senpai-sama-chan OC weapon of Auric Shadow Ore Soul Fragment tier with a left-click, a right-click, a middle-click, a right face button, a C-Sharp note, and a function involving rubbing your index finger on the trackpad of your laptop in the shape of a dodecahedron because it would be cool
ashen warren
Whoops.
That's incredibly specific, though. Is it even a S.I.S, because I was asking for a lot?
frail mantle
suggestions that are just to add an item with a specific function, recipe, name, sprite etc. are considered SIS
zenith hazel
is that a question or suggestion
ashen warren
sugquestion
lost agate
Hes suggesting that you answer him
indigo fog
Oh then I didn't know a suggestion to add a Gallant Hamaxe for consistency counts as SIS. It didn't add a specific function, recipe, and sprite or anything
lost agate
Gallant hamaxe doesnt sound that specific to me
Unless he goes saying "give it x amount of axe power, make it look like this and give it this exact name"
Well, its suggesting like 3 things doe so 
radiant meadow
meld bars/blobs
are not a fragment
my god
we're not removing xeroc greatsword, the empyrean, and tome of fates
molten dune
void candle
silence candle
i suggested the new farming candle would be the calamity candle
see how clever i am
wooden wedge
@woeful lantern that's a question not a suggestion
woeful lantern
noticed that after i sent it, mb im new to this server
wooden wedge
Why would they go to help and advice though
sand umbra
a question about whether or not Ele Blaster will be upgraded is hardly a subject for help and advice
void kelp
do we add checkered flags to suggestions that’ll be implemented in next update?
sand umbra
the correct location is right here 
wooden wedge
Yes iirc
sand umbra
yes
indigo fog
yes
void kelp
alright time to 🏁
sand umbra
that is the purpose of the checkerflag react
void kelp
I will ping pong the people too
sand umbra
wooden wedge
@ashen warren you could go without that also on your sugg, because 2 Suggs in 1 is a no
And maybe a don't
indigo fog
it isn't in the don'ts but it should be
lime mica
mm, how do you guys feel about rogue stealth
i feel like it needs a rehash of some kind but i want thoughts before making a post
lime mica
hey i'm asking first this time >_>
i'm not suggesting changes
i'm not a game designer lol
lost agate
People have suggested it a lot yes
lime mica
alright, noted
lost agate
But its still a valid subject
sand umbra
there have been what like 5 or 6 rogue stealth suggs at least in the past couple weeks
wooden wedge
i'm not suggesting changes
Then why be here
lost agate
lime mica
well i can suggest changes without designing a system from the ground up in my suggestion
wooden wedge
If you're not discussing a sugg either
sand umbra
anywho, I'm not gonna stop you if you wanna make a rogue stealth sugg
just let it be understood that multiple suggs have been made on this already and the devs have acknowledged that rogue stealth is overnerfed
(or, at the very least, Ozz has. one dev is more than zero, don't judge me)
lost agate
But it can still work as ideas for possible fixes
sand umbra
mhm
lost agate
So. go for it
sand umbra
ohey Magical Conch sugg
sand umbra
so Magical Conch summons hermit crabs
there are two issues with this
- they are grounded summons. the first boss you fight with them, EoC, is anything but grounded
- they're stupid and don't know how to hit enemies even when the enemy is grounded like Crabulon or EoW
lime mica
can they climb walls like the spiders can?
sand umbra
no
lime mica
i've never actually used it, i favor other weapons at that game stage
and ew
so there's NO vertical element to them
hm that's an issue
sand umbra
Wulfrum Controller and Stormjaw Staff 
sand umbra
Wulfrum Controller in particular is super reliable
tepid root
controller just fucks off when youre underground
so i just use squirrels and frost blossom till i get stormjaw
sand umbra
Stormjaw and Frost Blossom do better for exploring, yeah
lime mica
the squirrels for me are like, insufferable
sand umbra
Wulfrum Controller is super reliable for boss fighting though
sand umbra
also Stormjaw Staff against DS is an enormous meme
tepid root
squirrel squire is made of wood and some acorns
lime mica
does it pierce, or is it just electric being electric
tepid root
dont expect it to be that good
sand umbra
sparks pierce a bit
lime mica
i know, just, their aim is awful
sand umbra
the stormlions spawn them constantly
lime mica
wait, do they give off little amidias sparks?
lime mica
wow that's actually super good, why have i not tried this out for early game
sand umbra
literal 10-second DS kill that drops from the thing you need to kill to fight DS
lime mica
i think i'm an idiot
sand umbra
if you haven't seen Stormjaw Staff on DS you're missing out
lime mica
you know what i'm having a pog moment for, the possible bird summon in 1.4
i have always wanted a bird summon for early game, i remember seeing a forum post about one a while back
sand umbra
lime mica
the birds in terraria make me laugh
they have like, almost no legs
and are mostly body somehow
also they don't mind imprisonment inside of a birdengine which is a definite boon
lime mica
mhm
sand umbra
I think the better solution would be to make hermit crabs not retarded and able to jump
lime mica
now i haven't used it but like
you know how crab enemies jump
or, maybe the Giant Shellies are a better example
lime mica
what if they did that, just to a lesser extent to provide actual, like
verticality
they'd still be pretty grounded but not utter shite
again i don't do game design, i'm not very active in the community either so i doubt i know what's up with balance and shit
i just like the mod :V
sand umbra
well, it's a good thing you're talking to a guy who's legally obligated to know Cal balance back to front and has been doing a summoner playthrough to get in touch with Cal summoner balance
lime mica
hm, i just had an idea
a stationary sandcastle summon that shoots hermit crabs
or shells, either works
early game turret
some victide and sand and, fuck, idk victory shards need a use so why not those
anyways like
about the magic conch
do you think the jumping is a decent idea
or would it not provide the right oomph to actually be able to go toe to toe with bosses like EoC
...you ever see pistol shrimp? you know how they snap their claws shut and shoot a bubble
what if the hermit crabs had a short ranged attack
would that remedy the issue
brave dirge
¯_(ツ)_/¯
indigo fog
you need a reason
indigo fog
and what is doom cannon supposed to be
indigo fog
you need a better reason than that
onyx river
why not is not a reason
brave dirge
I can remove it if you want
dapper coral
more amalgam buffs I see
also @ashen warren your second point doesn't match up with your heading, so you should either make the heading more general to both of them or make two separate suggestions for them
indigo fog
they were already told to do that and they never did
civic pond
is localized rain even possible?
civic pond
good point
onyx river
Blizzard happens when there's rain elswhere, sandstrm is localized tho
sand umbra
localized weather events are absolutely possible
and Sandstorms are proof of this
they're localized to the Desert and are handled separately from other weather events such as rain
sand umbra
correct
Acid Rain can be done the same way
anywho uh
Hadopelagic Echo becoming more like a traditional exo-weapon is gonna be a hard no from me, dawg
civic pond
rainbow echo
sand umbra
no
no rainbow echo
let Hadopelagic Echo be a rep for simpler weapons damnit
everything late-game is super flashy but like
it almost makes them all super boring because there's nothing that's relatively simple to balance that out
I prefer Echo being the way it is for that reason
it's not really a traditional exo set wep at all, it's more of just a "hey, here's a straight upgrade from one (1) weapon, if those other weapons are too annoying for you"
it's nice and simple, and I think it benefits greatly from being that way
terse sundial
hado, like ataraxia is technically auric tier, not exo tier
it won't be moved when exo tier is
sand umbra
well yes
worn bay
oh, is exo stuff getting moved to a later point in the game once more bosses come out?
worn bay
like post-draedon or something?
sand umbra
exo stuff is almost certainly becoming post-Draedon
worn bay
Ooooh
terse sundial
something like that
worn bay
Is that when we'll get an exogun?
sand umbra
given the entire set is designed based off of the Exoblade, which is Draedon's personal sword
sand umbra
Ace's High sort of counts but not really
terse sundial
rangers already have gale, photo, and mag
sand umbra
byeah
terse sundial
and yeah, aces high exists
sand umbra
ranger already gets Gale, Photoviscerator, and Magnomaly
distant gyro
drat 
terse sundial
melee bloat is a thing, that's why there won't be anymore exo-tier melee weps
magic and ranger have enough tools at that point
sand umbra
if any class deserves an additional exo option it's summoner
with rogue holding a close second
terse sundial
indeed
worn bay
Yes I agree but there should 100% be an exogun
distant gyro
i think it's 8-5-5-1-2 rn
worn bay
Rangers have options for different playstyles
sand umbra
summoner solely gets Immaterializer, and rogue just gets Celestus and Supernova
terse sundial
2 of the melee options are auric tier instead of exo, so that will lessen the bloat a bit
worn bay
Right now, the endgame asks rangers who have been using guns for the entire game to suddenly switch to rockets
That's absurd
distant gyro
consider Ace's High to be exogun for now 
sand umbra
byeah, you can use Ace's High for that purpose by technicality, at least for the moment
distant gyro
it uses bullets and uses Yharon Soul Fragments to craft, it semi-qualifies
sand umbra
because that is in fact a gun, despite shooting cards
distant gyro
you don't need to switch to rockets
terse sundial
I can't wait to rebalance Dragon Pow again when draedon comes out 
worn bay
you could switch to arrows or gel too
sand umbra
Dragon Pow eats the fat fucking die
worn bay
but all 3 of those play totally differently
distant gyro
nice brackets
worn bay
Is this really the reasoning the dev's have for not including an exogun?
red stormBOT
worn bay
Literally just add auric tesla bars to the ace's high recipe
terse sundial
the reason there is no exogun is because noone wants to make an exogun
worn bay
That would make it exo
terse sundial
but why would we do that
worn bay
Maybe give it a slight buff too
sand umbra
Ace's High is also a patron wep
terse sundial
^
distant gyro
AH doesn't need a buff
worn bay
Because rangers are told to totally change their playstyle if they want to use an exoweapon and that's stupid
sand umbra
but
you
have
Ace's
High
distant gyro
no?
terse sundial
bows and guns are quite similar
sand umbra
YOUR AMMO DOESN'T MATTER POST-YHARON BECAUSE EVERYTHING FIRES UNIQUE PROJECTILES ANYWAY
terse sundial
thomas
sand umbra
sorry
just
ammo type doesn't matter at all post-Yharon
everything fires unique projectiles
Gale doesn't give a fuck about your choice, it just fires exo arrows and has fun
Photoviscerator has no ammo options to begin with
Magnomaly shoots exo rockets
worn bay
there should be amod that adds different gel types
sand umbra
and Ace's High, the gun, uses bullets but also doesn't care about your choice and just shoots cards
onyx river
And btw the fact that you chose to stick to guns doesn't mean everyone does
worn bay
I didn't
I'm not a ranger, I don't even like the playstlye that much, I just have ranger friends
eternal lichen
i mean its very prevelant early on too, i pretty much only have guns that have unique shots, just got the butcher and just am suprised its regular bullets
onyx river
why do you want an exo gun so badly then
sand umbra
I personally don't get the appeal of exogun
onyx river
if you're not even gonna use it
worn bay
Because it just seems like an obvious oversight to me
sand umbra
give me my Za Warudo exo dagger or literally Apostle kthxbai
onyx river
no
sand umbra
worn bay
It's like if there wasn't an exo sword, just an exo spear and exo yoyo
sand umbra
that's just being unrealistic though
this is Calamity
if there isn't a sword of some type at a tier, something went horribly wrong
worn bay
lmao
onyx river
Well tbh they could yeet all but 2 or 3 exo melee weps and i wouldn't care
sand umbra
honestly Ranger already has like 4 options for SCal
which is the main thing being asserted here
one for every major subclass of ranger
Bow - Heavenly Gale
Gun - Ace's High
Launcher - Magnomaly Cannon
Flamethrower - Photoviscerator
distant gyro
5*
worn bay
One of these things is not like the others
terse sundial
drat is lol
sand umbra
Drat is an outlier and should not be counted
onyx river
If you're really good you can also use drat
distant gyro
drat is drat and it exists
worn bay
personally, i think there should be an exo for each type of weapon (which we're already pretty close too tbh, just missing a gun and spear i think), but if they dont want to implement all of that, a gun still seems like an obvious choice.
Tbh, I'd suggest putting auric bars in the ace's recipe if that wasn't against the rules
sand umbra
you say that but you miss the fact that
- no exo sentry
- no exos for like hafl the rogue subclasses
onyx river
^
sand umbra
there are classes that need these extra options much more than Ranger though
distant gyro
no exo active-summon
onyx river
The exo gun is the least required(it isn't)
terse sundial
they should, but that isn't the priority
sand umbra
but you're pushing for an option that just isn't needed
distant gyro
yea it's better to push for exo sentry than exo gun
terse sundial
everyone can make do of the several excellent options for SCal
distant gyro
even though that will likely not happen because sentry balances suck ass
terse sundial
^
shell lynx
Kinda sad how most endgame summon weapons you can have only 1 of but at the same time if there was an exo sentry you could place multiple of you know people would just use the OOA armor
worn bay
Tbh I'd rather push for an exo minion
sand umbra
time to use funny OOA gear
terse sundial
Hive Pod God when
worn bay
Like an actual minion
terse sundial
there is an exo minion
worn bay
One that flies around and does stuff, i just dont like the litttle sniper auras
terse sundial
Cosmic Immaterializer is a proper minion
shell lynx
chicken ball is sorta exo tier
terse sundial
dunno what you're on about
worn bay
i mean there's an obvious difference between cosmic immat (and other things like sun spirit) and say, ethereal subjugator
distant gyro
specific item suggestion
they do
but offscreen
byeah they used to be an Old Duke drop
until the realization that
A. Old Duke already has a Wand drop
B. It sucks against DoG
C. Corroded Fossils need more crafts
yea sure it's a bit misleading
it only stand still if it actually hits something
worn bay
ok so i dont wanna dredge up the exogun thing but i justr remembered
why the fuck is there an exo SHORTSWORD before an exo GUN
frail mantle
cause the devs wanted to add an exo shiv before an exo gun
worn bay
kinda based ngl
frail mantle
que
wooden wedge
@fierce snow why though
fierce snow
completley ruined WoF for me
wooden wedge
what does that have to do with carnage
fierce snow
I literally stayed inside its head and healed back all the damage I was taking
I was on death mode
wooden wedge
welcome to being a tank
fierce snow
I was gonna put a reason but I accidentally hit enter
wooden wedge
void kelp
tank is really big meme yeah
fierce snow
u shouldnt be able to D mode like that
I understand why True Melee needs all the boosts and stuff but this is outrageous
onyx river
Well i mean we are getting a true melee rework in the next update so
fierce snow
I hope so
onyx river
it's in #changelogs @fierce snow
onyx river
The true melee rework
fierce snow
ok
yeah
No shade on the devs though, I could never think of a way to make true melee viable without being too OP
onyx river
change the game into a jrpg
fierce snow
lmao
civic pond
fear
karmic stone
:)
radiant meadow
hadopelagic echo is meant to be a wacky weapon
also like
localized rain isn't really possible
eternal lichen
aw thats lame, that was my worry on that
void kelp
rain is like a world-spanning event isn’t it?
wooden wedge
if localized rain isn't possible then how about making acid rain a localaized event and just kill the world rain
eternal lichen
can it not be like a pretend rain? if executed like a sandstorm just with different effects?
i dont really know much about the proper terms but i hope im like getting the right gist
cinder spade
hadopelagic isn't an exo-weapon, it needs auric bars to craft because that's where it is in progression
wooden wedge
@fierce snow pretty sure you have to format it by doing shift + enter after your main point
otherwise the bot won't work
dapper coral
^
rapid pivot
Change Endogenesis so that you can tell which 'mode' it's in by mousing over the buff it provides.
This thing has five different 'modes', except the only way you can tell which 'mode' it's in is to actually see it. This makes it a pain to tell what it's actually doing, especially if you want to change the mode mid-fight.
terse sundial
this is good
sand umbra
I agree immensely
distant gyro
ascened cooper
rapid pivot
like, i'm not exactly a programmer, but would that be too hard to put in?
... wait, should I've pinged the guy himself to ask
void kelp
@fierce snow you need a full line break between your title and reasoning
terse sundial
It's possible
terse sundial
there are two ways you could do it, but one of them is way more annoying than the other
distant gyro
(the buff tooltip is different if there's a hat, an endo, or the player is pre-scal)
rapid pivot
ah
radiant meadow
you can modify buff tooltips
the trick is to correctly pull it from the endo file
sand umbra
- The Destroyer is widely regarded as the easiest of the three mechanical bosses and is not a big pain to farm
are you playing a different mod
woeful lantern
destroyer is the hardest mech boss in rev and death mode imo
sand umbra
because Rev+ Destroyer has historically been the most aggravating of the Mechs by a wide margin, and it's largely by design
woeful lantern
glacial state is a big nono
eternal lichen
is the destroyer really that much buffed against daedulus stormbow?
eternal lichen
i mean i read ahead that hes got damage reduction whilst still coiled
frail mantle
destroyer? more like laser light show
sand umbra
Destroyer has both frost lasers and homing lasers in Revengeance Mode which come out in place of the regular lasers starting at certain health percentages
it also gains immense speed boosts as it loses health to the point of effectively flying, spawns scrap metal projectiles out of deprobed segments, inflicts obscene damage with its head, has immense DR for a few seconds after spawning, and has resist both to general piercing and to several specific weapons/projectiles
rapid pivot
did you have warmth pots?
(i swear if I could change my nick i'd be 'Warmth Potion Salesman/Enthusiast')
ye
is why you bring warmth pots
:P
(i get the feeling that's why so many people are complaining about cryo being hard these days)
i was under the impression he gets huge defense against piercing
yeah, because outside of calamity, you have an unnerfed stormbow
lime mica
destroyer is a literal pleb in normal mode
rapid pivot
stormbow is nerfed to oblivion
eternal lichen
is there like a wiki section on that?
wrestling with the wiki and its redirects makes it hard to see vanilla changes
distant gyro
"nerfed into oblivion", eh?
kills cryo in 1:30 when others kill it in 3
Regenator is niche
and rare at the same time
It's the same reason why The Camper isn't nerfed yet
dapper coral
indeed
distant gyro
the payoff for camper is that
- Expert+ only
- Uses a specific build to be good
- You are literally unable to do any damage unless you stand still
- You need enough brain cells to quick swap it
or autopause
the payoff for regenator
- Very rare, and from a hardmode boss at that
- Literally cuts off your health, meaning you can die easier than not having it if you get chain-hit to death
radiant meadow
regenator actually being useful?
distant gyro
dapper coral
i feel like we had this conversation like three days ago
radiant meadow
the flashing weapon sprite is because of how terrible terraria handles alt fires
crude geode
- The Destroyer is widely regarded as the easiest of the three mechanical bosses and is not a big pain to farm
Yeahhhhh not particularly, considering you can only hit him a couple of times with each piercing projectile in rev+, and he talks half damage from piercing projectiles. Miasma might need to be nerfed against him tho, if you’re destroying him compared to other weapons.
distant gyro
Miasma was balanced around the basis that Acid Rain tier 2 is hard so the bosses you're meant to use it on are Prime, Clone, and Plant
crude geode
hm gotcha
distant gyro
also arbitrarily yea, but Destroyer is before Acid Rain tier 2 on checklist
rapid pivot
'hm, I could craft all these other neat weapons'
radiant meadow
it's literally a 1% drop chance
rapid pivot
'or i could farm the destroyer about a hundred times'
distant gyro
you got lucky
radiant meadow
that means you're lucky
did you know
that rare weapons are intended to be lucky drops?
and that when you happen to get them, you're rewarded?
distant gyro
some people take more than a hundred to even get it
radiant meadow
then don't try to farm it
latent agate
i took 2k to get community
radiant meadow
and play like normal
distant gyro
pure summoner experience
sand umbra
bag 1 Clothier's Wrath btw
distant gyro
well that's your opinion
latent agate
halibut cannon is op against your fps and your world
rapid pivot
"Enemies in the Abyss 1 0.0001%"
distant gyro
a large amount of the playerbase still have an impression that legendaries are not worth farming for
despite killing 2+ of their next bosses in about 1:20 or less
rapid pivot
Yes. One who is currently dead.
radiant meadow
it's meant to be a tribute to him
the weapon's tooltip says that because people wouldn't stop complaining about it
crude geode
Legendary is a term literally meaning remarkable enough to be well known. Having them be just another random incredibly rare weapon would go against it. And yes what Ben said.
latent agate
its not even that good of an item
distant gyro
the weapon tooltip indeed has self-awareness that it is overpowered
latent agate
that too but i was referring to halibut cannon
halibut cannon is more of a weapon thats just really really fun to use
lime mica
getting the halibut cannon is like smashing your genitals against a wall made of broken glass, 99% of people who get it have to intentionally farm for it and at that point you know what you're getting into
crude geode
^
If you’re farming for a 1 in a million chance it should be pretty damn good and fun to make up for it.
onyx river
Well there's the alternative of the adult eidolon worm
crude geode
Legendary weapons are really balanced around the fact that most players won’t go out of their way to farm for the 1% drop rate. Even if they can easily farm the boss, it’s such a drag for most of them that they will just keep progressing with the mod instead of farming a boss for two hours.
dapper coral
legendaries are just like, ayy lmao i got a wack weapon on my third boss kill, guess i'll use it
crude geode
^
dapper coral
if you dont, then you dont
crude geode
Like Ben said,
rare weapons are intended to be lucky drops
void kelp
it’s not a particularly great chance though
crude geode
^
digital saddle
Legendaries are meant to be OP for their tier
rapid pivot
if they weren't, there'd be no real reason to try and grab them
unreal flume
It isn't supposed to be balanced, that's the point
crude geode
^^^
onyx river
yes but some people prefer the flashiness over the fairness
crude geode
^^^^^^
digital saddle
U should see blossom flux
Plant drop lasts until moon lord
rapid pivot
i'd get it if it was a normal drop but like
onyx river
remember when legendary weps scaled lol
crude geode
you got lucky and got it on the fourth kill. That had a 4% chance of happening.
digital saddle
thats not how probability works btw
crude geode
0.99^4=0.96059601
onyx river
Pfft devs and their rounding errors
onyx river
cursed being did it right
crude geode
I did it from the perspective of the weapon not dropping, and then had it subtracted from 1.
onyx river
#suggestions-discussion turning into a math class
crude geode
Byeah, even if someone farmed the weapon for 50 times, a larger amount of time than most players would spend on anything else, you still only have a 39.5% chance of getting it.
Rare drops are powerful because they're rare.
cobalt rain
Hi, I just started my first play through for calamity, and I'm wondering, what armor should I have going into Eater Of Worlds
crude geode
onyx river
^
crude geode
This is for discussing suggestions @cobalt rain
crude geode
Anyways, uh, yeah.
latent agate
theres a difference between rares and legends btw
void kelp
however the same concept still applies
crude geode
ye
void kelp
w RIVs and legendaries being rare, but powerful
crude geode
That's not really unique.
also the barrel being scuffed being a part of the suggestion isn't good, bc including your desire for it to be resprited is not only a don't, but just bad practice for suggestions
rapid pivot
insults the original spriters
crude geode
^
Also makes the suggestion two in one, by including both a suggestion of "Nerf SHPC" and "Resprite SHPC" (which is a don't in the don't document)
rapid pivot
did that deus rework sugg get in, btw?
because now that I'm fighting it on boss rush, the problem is worse
darn it, only 116 stars
crude geode
not from what I see, Euclid.
As stated by Ben, that effect is because of how shittily Terraria handles alt-fires.
frail mantle
CEM is discontinued and unofficial
tawny gyro
isn't bringing old music back a don't?
swift wadi
That's not a mod we're associated with, and adding the music that isn't in the game is a don't
karmic stone
the destroyer is widely regarded as the easiest of the three mechanical bosses
Haven't heard much of that
If anything I've seen most people sau Twins are the easiest
And even so
distant gyro
god
misty fractal
oh..oof :v
onyx river
yeah
karmic stone
So the first point is just kinda there
rapid pivot
Any thoughts?
void kelp
that’s incredibly subjective
crude geode
^^^^
distant gyro
you should probably wait for the next update to talk about deus
rapid pivot
ah, is he getting reworked?
distant gyro
Re on second change
onyx river
hmm i mean they're the one i did first but prime wasn't uch harder
crude geode
Let's just drop that point because we're not getting anywhere with it.
void kelp
difficulty is not an objective thing
rapid pivot
right, fair enough then
void kelp
karmic stone
Yea we shouldn't just say what mech we find easier now and discuss that
The point was made
@vale hare First argument is kinda cringe see above
swift wadi
it's already gone from the sugg
crude geode
Personally, unless there's hard concrete proof that SHPC is even more insane than other legendary weapons at their tier, I find the argument of it being stupidly powerful very silly. It's a legendary weapon, it's gonna be a rare fun thing to get. Not something players are likely to go out of their way to get.
cough cough kill times cough
tawny gyro
btw i've just come to the conclusion
exo-weapons sometimes don't have spread-out components not because the devs just decided "fuck it, 5 plantera-tier weps in the same exo-weapon", but because weapons of the same type are extremely scarce
see: bombs
dapper coral
also we've been talking about the shpc for 1.5 hours now
tawny gyro
it's a fun weapon
crude geode
That is true
dapper coral
what is the final decision on it
tawny gyro
final decision is:
also would a sugg about expanding specific weapon types be welcome?
as in, let's say, expand on bombs, or sentries, or spears or something
frail mantle
if it's just "add more bombs to make a bombs only run possible", then no
crude geode
^
frail mantle
if it's "add more bombs because they're a fun weapon type to use and would add more diversity in rogue playthroughs", that's more likely to be accepted
tawny gyro
suffering
i do think having like 3 bombs pre-hm is weird though
i'll think about this more tommorow (+1 timezone). gnight
crude geode
sweet dreams
Also, to answer you, Demik.
We kinda don't have to have a final ruling until a dev/mod says so.
But from the convos, the only person really supporting the sugg is the original poster of it.
dapper coral
thats what it sounds like, yeah
mods have been chiming in tho
to say that its fine bc its a legendary
so idk
crude geode
true
I'll prolly drop it until a mod does a review of the current suggs to be approved
anyways, I can get behind the laser being better from HailFall's suggestion.
It's kind of a incredibly weak attack that only really matters if you're actively not paying attention to it
crude geode
It’s the one that Brimmy tries to track you with in her fight.
Before actually firing and dealing damage
onyx river
Well i mean i did die to it once while trying to look at all my buffs to see wher those effing shellfishes were at
sand umbra
@misty fractal Calamity Mod Extra Music is
- unofficial, and
b) discontinued
subtle oracle
The new Extra music mod is named: "Turquoise's Remastered Boss Music"
onyx river
the inconsistency in your comment is bugging me @sand umbra
frail mantle
that's intentional
misty fractal
smh how dare they not invite you
onyx river
No no it's just a surprise birthday party
misty fractal
o
onyx river
we did it at not the right date so he wouldn't see it comming
dapper coral
wait calamity extra music mod isn't associated with calamity
bruh moment
time to update my mod
gritty elk
Who's asking for dev items?
atomic badger
what about photoviscerator
atomic badger
eh
toxic kettle
Photoviscerator is auric-tier
atomic badger
heavenly gale and photoviscerator are not endgame but endgame
gray nebula
not post scal
gritty elk
That's a big fat RIP then, all the dev guns are the same gun
gritty elk
It was big sad when we beat SCal and then our ranger crafted three guns, and all of them did the same thing 
gray nebula
new devs only know how to overdesign with endo coopers and gaels greatswords
gritty elk
But if that's reserved for dev-dedicated items i'm not gonna tell people how to design their own thing
wooden wedge
like there's 100% gonna be more endgame content
in the future
you don't need to sugg it
wooden wedge
this is like 2 don'ts
gray nebula
i mean its not really falling under future content
neat citrus
@gritty elk You inspired me to make a mortar type weapon
gritty elk
Future content != filling gaps in class options
gray nebula
future content is for 100% confirmed coming stuff like yharim (😳) and his friends)
neat citrus
just gotta remember how parabolas work
wooden wedge
so ranger ain't getting new weapons>?
gray nebula
it's not 100% confirmed doe
a future content suggestion woudl be
"when yharim gets added make him ride yharyajhrya!! !! and make him pew pew lase!r! !! ! and he drops SWORD OF DEATH!!!!"
Cuz everyone knows yharim is gonna get added
toxic kettle
a SIS at the end to top it off
crude geode
my brain hurts reading that Iban
gray nebula
If it's asking for content that might be planned its ok
theres already suggestions that are already planned that are getting delivered
imagine post scal ranged weapon thats as overdesigned as PSC/endogenesis/gaels
now that would be epic
crude geode
Yeah, I don't think this suggestion is too specific, since it's not laying out names/stats or anything. It's slightly specific, but not enough for me to call it a SIS.
gray nebula
instead of asking for a new weapon you could instead ask for them to get more unique functions @gritty elk
gritty elk
That's a good idea Iban, thanks
gray nebula
gritty elk
Does that revision look okay?
gray nebula
ye
gritty elk
awesome, ty for the help
gray nebula
gritty elk
RIP summoner
gray nebula
when the the 2 summoner options are the craziest out there yet they get ignored
gritty elk
Haven't beaten calamity with summoner yet so haven't seen those items yet lol
gray nebula
endogenesis is basically 4 summoner weapons in one, and PSC turns you into the weapon
with 4 different attacks
crude geode
I find them insane and fun, but I also haven't used them yet 
gray nebula
yeahb
radiant meadow
we're going to have to start putting limits on dev items
they've been getting like super crazy as of recently
radiant meadow
I have sanity you know
frail mantle
what do you mean, my donor item can't bend the fabric of time and code itself to deal damage to my enemies
radiant meadow
and I'd like to preserve it
crude geode
valid
swift wadi
Somebody should make their dev item a musket
Just like, fires normal musket shots, one at a time, normal fire rate
They just hurt really really really bad
terse sundial
the recent dev items have become so powerful I can't make a wiki gif of them
byeah
gray nebula
smh just ask someone else to code them
toxic kettle
outstanding sugg
void kelp
@patent panther that would be a specific item suggestion
please read the pinned suggestion guidelines document
void kelp
I’m going to delete it because it won’t be going anywhere and you’ll be pinged by other folks
@granite grail can you finish your hermit crab suggestion? it cuts off at the end
granite grail
I mean what else should I add?
granite grail
bruh
void kelp
it cuts off suddenly
wooden wedge
eh
civic pond
hhh
granite grail
Really I didn’t know that
void kelp
you can but it’s not necessary
What I’m saying is that having a pseudo-stationery [sic] summon on a boss that it can’t even hit.
the sentence makes no sense
wooden wedge
that's because it's not a sentence
granite grail
Fixed it a bit
void kelp
@brave dirge future content is a don’t
wooden wedge
DLC??
civic pond
also not to mention there's no reason
wooden wedge
tmod DLC ain't calamity though
void kelp
there’s a wiki, too
brave dirge
?
wooden wedge
bruh
void kelp
read the suggestion guidelines document please
brave dirge
I am retarded
void kelp
wait, so what would moving the conch to post-EoC do to the summon? @granite grail
now that you have reasoning my question is now “how does this address that problem you highlighted?”
brave dirge
but i guess it would be helpful to have some sort of encyclopedia
wooden wedge
we have the wiki
wooden wedge
easier in what way to who
brave dirge
Just nevermind
crude geode
Why did the SHPC Sugg get approved? It wasn't really supported by anyone except Euclid
void kelp
it’s approved bc there wasn’t anything necessarily wrong with it
civic pond
oh wait i misread 
void kelp
even if we don’t all agree on it, it’s still valid
civic pond
thats where the star votes come in
void kelp
such is the life of suggestions— even if the suggestion is bad (such as a yo-yo bag suggestion), if it isn’t breaking any rules
granite grail
It really wouldn’t change anything major, the magical conch is effective on every boss till post-EoC to perforators/hive mind. And most summoners use the seabound staff due to the speed on the EoC
void kelp
so why should the conch be locked behind EoC?
granite grail
Because it doesn’t fit the next boss to fight
void kelp
but can’t you fight other bosses after DS, not necessarily Eoc?
granite grail
Yes
wooden wedge
I mean you can
crude geode
Fair enough on that answer spider.
granite grail
Ya you can but it’s not that reliable
void kelp
really what I’m getting at is— what will this action do, and why is it a good idea?
like yes it would lock the conch to post EoC but why does this help?
granite grail
It will give you and item at the right time to use on the next bosses
wooden wedge
what boss is after EoC even
crude geode
That's kinda nonsensical reasoning.
granite grail
Crab
void kelp
evil bosses and crabulon
wooden wedge
crab I can see
void kelp
but you can fight crabulon before EoC
wooden wedge
but there's better for the world evil bosses
granite grail
Why though
void kelp
calamity doesn’t like forcing linearity and if you wanna fight any boss in any order you can
crude geode
^^^^^
wooden wedge
you can do that, but it doesn't mean that things are balanced around that non linearity
void kelp
which is why I don’t see a substantially useful reason to lock the crabs behind Eoc
wooden wedge
is it are or aren't
granite grail
Yes I toally agree
void kelp
...then why did you make the suggestion?
granite grail
Because I saw a problem
crude geode
It also doesn't make sense to have 1 of Amidias' weapons locked behind a boss he has no real connection to.
granite grail
Didn’t think about that
crude geode
What's your problem/perceived problem about Conch? Even if it's intended purpose isn't to go fast, it's viable against perf worms/hive mind p1 if used right, so I don't see why it needs to be moved.
granite grail
But if it goes faster it’ll be too op
wooden wedge
what
crude geode
what
granite grail
And they already did that
wooden wedge
then why'd you say if
granite grail
And I don’t want them to be removed
crude geode
What are you even talking about?
wooden wedge
they aren't going to be removed
crude geode
^
wooden wedge
there is 0 reason for them to be removed
granite grail
My reason is to put a weapon when it as a reason to be used
wooden wedge
it has a reason to be used pre EoC
crude geode
^
Mobbing exists, and most common enemies can't avoid it.
It also kinda just shreds goblin army iirc
crude geode
I think this sugg was discussed a while ago as well
worn bay
oh it just doesn't look like the other aurics
wooden wedge
does it need to be
worn bay
i'd prefer it to be but that's just me
tbh i've kinda come away from that sugg after hearing that exo and auric are gonna be split
terse sundial
It's not an exo weapon, so it doesn't have the rainbows
It will be held back when exo moves
crude geode
Resprite suggs are a don't. also ^
frail mantle
exo uses exo plet
terse sundial
Exo has rainbows and will be moved once draedon is released
frail mantle
auric is basically everything else made with AT bars
terse sundial
Auric is post-yharon p2
worn bay
Yeah, I didn't know that when I made the sugg
Now that I know that they're getting split up I don't really mind
worn bay
yeah that's fair
sharp mica
wait @terse sundial why is exo being moved after draedon is released? is it going to be a seperate tier from auric?
swift wadi
If you have a rough idea for a suggestion, discuss it here before going through the trouble of writing something to post in #suggestions-posting, people may have opinions on a suggestion even before details are added.
crude geode
god yes
civic pond
terse sundial
10 mins late but yes, exo will be post-draedon, auric is going to remain post-yharon
they're already two separate groups, the wiki just bunches them into 1 for ease
sharp mica
is there an official name for the elemental accessories? like the supercharged post-dog class-specific accessories?
wooden wedge
elemental?
swift wadi
I just call them like, penultimate accessories or smth like that
civic pond
elemental means rainbow to me in this mod
swift wadi
They're the end of the upgrade tree and the best accessories for each class
wooden wedge
oh aren't they exo tier
sharp mica
yeah exo is rainbow but elemental is also rainbow but they are not the same thing
wooden wedge
then they'd just be elemental right?
sharp mica
no
wait
yes
lunar is rainbow and is after ML
exo is rainbow and is after Yharon
real steppe
What are "exo" tier items? Celestus, Immaterializer, etc?
real steppe
Oh, ok
real steppe
That sounds kinda problematic as of now, there are very few non-exo tier weapons available post Yharon
swift wadi
How is that a problem?
real steppe
But if Draedon would be balanced with Pre-P2 Yharon items or if more weapons get introduced, everything would be fine
digital saddle
Scal will probably be buffed because draedon is pre scal
swift wadi
I doubt that
real steppe
I don't think so
digital saddle
Not like
More projectiles
I mean more health
Imo she would need to be harder for there to be room for another major progression boss between yharon and her
real steppe
Well, maybe.. But imo Scal is already so hard right now with the RoD, Adrenaline, and Draconic Elixir mega nerfs
Pre-March SCal was laughably easy, Draconic Elixir was so OP and Adrenaline can take down 40% of her HP in mere seconds
digital saddle
Shes a hard boss but she's not unreasonable to kill with auric items
You do sufficient dps to kill her efficiently
I have no idea what they're going to do about draedon content
It'll take a hell of a lot to make an armor set better than auric
dapper coral
demonshade is same tier as auric right? obviously its from shadowspec but auric provides more class buffs whereas demonshade is more general, so do they count as the same sort of level?
dapper coral
but like, they can be interchangeable depending on what you want, is what i mean
digital saddle
yeah, both are viable endgame
karmic stone
yet if you wear anything on the head slot then it doesn't show up
Correcn't
untold snow
question mark
karmic stone
Can you send a screenshot of your accs + armor
While trying to get Abyssal Ar-
I
Was thinking about Abyssal Diving Suit
karmic stone
You can't place it in the head vanity slot right
karmic stone
Ok then yea cool beans
radiant meadow
wear a familiar wig @untold snow
untold snow
does that fix it?
radiant meadow
it should make the diving gear show up
toxic kettle
Dedicated item sugg
He would already have an item dedicated to him, had he asked for one
hollow idol
Was Dok ever approached for an item?