suggestions-discussion

[fervent citrus]

[tepid root]

perhaps

[ashen warren]

Bombs are actually almighty iirc

[fervent citrus]

Thats why i cant fight yharon with cheat sheet in a new world

[hallow kraken]

You can break auric ore, whatever it’s made out of, with bombs?

[tepid root]

yea,,

[hallow kraken]

You don’t need a blossom pickaxe?

[fervent citrus]

Sounds questionable

[hallow kraken]

So prov is skippable?

[frail mantle]

indeed

[tepid root]

she is

[fervent citrus]

Seems like so

[hallow kraken]

heck yeah

actual challenge

[fervent citrus]

Ight, with ML down, we can go for yharon :P

[zenith hazel]

anyway, either move to #calamity-mod-talk for this or get back to talking about suggestions please

[fervent citrus]

Ight, heres a sugg: make auric ore immune to bombs and dynamite

[frail mantle]

no

[fervent citrus]

Why?

[frail mantle]

cause it'd vibe check non-linearity

[fervent citrus]

Hmm

[strong minnow]

xd

check suggestions

[frail mantle]

that right there sure do be a channel full of suggestions for the mod/server

[strong minnow]

yea

[tawny gyro]

Make Alpha Virus a boomerang
Reason:

• Epidemic Shredder, the thing you upgrade into AV is a boomerang
• Celestus, an upgrade to AV is a boomerang

thoughts?

[ashen warren]

nerf crescent moon

[tawny gyro]

i'm just gonna assume people are okay with that, so imma post it

[gray nebula]

Make elemental axe a melee weapon then

[tawny gyro]

elemental axe is used in a summoner weapon tho

[gray nebula]

alpha virus wouldn't work as a boomerang because yeah no, it's supposed to explode

[tawny gyro]

what if it explodes after reaching max distance?

[gray nebula]

[radiant meadow]

it could work maybe

[gray nebula]

that's not a boomerang then

a boomerang is supposed to return to you

[tawny gyro]

it's not like there's a ton of things that explode but still somehow exist after exploding

[radiant meadow]

if the suggestion gets sent, I'll consider it

[tawny gyro]

as in, fly in, explode, somehow still not cease to exist and then return

[gray nebula]

oh like explode but not really

[tawny gyro]

yea

[gray nebula]

and the whole thing with alpha virus being very slow wouldn't really work as a boomerang imo

[tawny gyro]

unless it went fast after exploding

i was about to say how that'd be trading more dmg for vulnerability

but then i remembered you wouldn't even need to wait for it to return to throw it again

so uh

wait, slightly better idea

it's a boomerang, but it only goes back after it hits something

otherwise it goes on

[radiant meadow]

idea

it explodes

[tawny gyro]

ya

[radiant meadow]

but then another similar projectile returns to you from the sky

[tawny gyro]

from the sky?

[radiant meadow]

as though it travelled through an interdimensional wormhole to return to you

[tawny gyro]

no but really, either make it into a regular boomerang, make it only return after it hits something or just bring back shattered sun if you don't want it to be a boomerang

[gray nebula]

I still don't really see why tho

[tawny gyro]

consistency

[gray nebula]

yeah it has different upgrades but that's not really a rare occurence

[tawny gyro]

you turn a boomerang into a non-boomerang and then AGAIN into a boomerang

[tranquil vale]

or just make it a boomerang with an attached explosive

[tawny gyro]

^^ this

[gray nebula]

ele axe, executioner's blade , etc

[radiant meadow]

ele axe tree is completely shafted next update

so I wouldn't use it as an example

[gray nebula]

I don't think turning it into a boomerang for consistency would work that well

[tawny gyro]

ele axe is melee tool -> summoner weapon -> summoner weapon

[gray nebula]

yeah but still, it changes

[tawny gyro]

and executioner's blade will most likely be changed i think

[gray nebula]

no (?)

[radiant meadow]

there were no plans to change exec blade

[tawny gyro]

i mean, not that way

not change exec blade

i mean throw it out of celesuts recipe and replace it

[gray nebula]

and exo weapons are really not really well known for being consistent with their crafting ingredients

[tawny gyro]

um

that's-

not really accurate? at all?

unless you mean class changes

[gray nebula]

no

[tawny gyro]

then yeah, stuff like ele axe and the ele disk

which is doubleclassed kinda

[gray nebula]

cosmic immat uses sirius, an aura summon

and then it becomes a non aura summon

[tawny gyro]

but i mean how almost every weapon in the game sticks to it's type

exceptions are cosmic immat, celestus and magnomaly cannon

out of like, how many? lemme check

[gray nebula]

magnomaly uses aethers whisper too yes

[tawny gyro]

and it's a gun/rocket launcher, but actually just a rocket launcher

[gray nebula]

and the fact that it upgrades from a boomerang is more becuase of the plague themeing

I mean in the next update there will be another plague themed weapon that upgrades into a differnet plague themed weapon post ml and they arent consistent at all either

[tawny gyro]

which one is it?

[gray nebula]

next update

no spoilers for you

[tawny gyro]

ah

yeah, but going back to alpha virus

it even kinda looks like a disc

[gray nebula]

just know that they are pretty different summoner weapons that work differently, but they still upgrade like that because it's just plague themed

[tawny gyro]

which are known to be boomerangs in the terraria universe

i mean, i didn't really do a summoner playthrough yet so i'm not sure on the CI crafting tree

[radiant meadow]

sirius is getting removed from immat recipe

so again, I wouldn't use it as an example

[gray nebula]

but there's no exo aura yet,,

[radiant meadow]

I adopted sirius for my dev weapon recipe so it's not going in any exo

[gray nebula]

o right

wait did you adopt sirius or sirius +

[tawny gyro]

yeah, given that exo weapons have never been known to have any correlation with dev weapons

looks at drataliornous

[distant gyro]

sirius+ iirc

drat is not an exoweapon nor a devweapon

[tawny gyro]

i am 5000000% certain drat is a dev weapon

or well, a dedicated weapon

i consider these the same thing

[ashen warren]

WhEre iS dRaeDOm

[tawny gyro]

he's at taco bell

[ashen warren]

lmao

[distant gyro]

bruh, does that mean a donator is a developer

yes i am aware drat is not donated

[tawny gyro]

he helped development by giving devs money to stay alive

and/or motivate them

[distant gyro]

drat is a part of a reward for being the first 5 nohitters

[tawny gyro]

development doesn't necesarilly mean programming

[distant gyro]

so that belongs to neither a direct development of the mod nor providing support

[tawny gyro]

ight, time to do a hard bluff

inhale

that is in some sense developement, as this shows people are really dedicated to the mod and are really enjoying it

uplifting the devs

and allowing them to work harder

[opal barn]

[ashen warren]

🙅‍♀️

[radiant meadow]

The simple answer is that I didn't want immat in my dev weapon recipe. so it won't be

[gray nebula]

🗿

[radiant meadow]

@jagged jolt it's already planned. you don't need to suggest it

[strong minnow]

whats up with the wave of r-tards in #suggestions-voting?

[jagged jolt]

@radiant meadow oops didn't know

[radiant meadow]

no need to insult people

[frail mantle]

^

[strong minnow]

^

[frail mantle]

some people just don't know the suggestion rules, no need to be an asshole towards them

[gray nebula]

you agree with "no need to insult people" yet you're the one who insulted someone

[hollow shell]

This Don't has been updated

by dev request.

[civic pond]

that covers quite a bit now

but how many people actually read them

[terse sundial]

it means we can delete resprite suggestions

[hollow shell]

It does, Bumble
Big suggestions like reworking a significant chunk of the rogue class will pretty much never be considered, due to the significant amount of time and effort to do them

[civic pond]

byeah and anything major like that tends be already planned out in some way

[terse sundial]

indeed

[quick ice]

It’s nice that the suggestion don’t doc was changed, but most people aren’t gonna read the changes unless they’re notified that it was changed

[hollow shell]

There we go

Now they've got a lil red icon on their pins :P

[terse sundial]

Once again, we can always inform people that it has changed

[quick ice]

Cool, problem solved

[hollow shell]

@strong jacinth Could you make the topic sentence a little more specific, saying that you want it to be a closer equivalent to the other Lunar sets?
(With that Don't updated it doesn't feel right have a sugg that just says "Rework ___")

Aight thanks

well, hang on

"better" may not be the best word to use

because that sounds like "it's not as strong as the other lunar sets, so buff em"

Maybe "closer" instead?

Aight yeah that works

thanks

[gray nebula]

meld rework would be cool tho ngl

[hollow shell]

@earnest raptor You need to sacrifice an entire accessory slot to get rid of the plague debuff.

[earnest raptor]

Fair point, but inconsistency is still there.

[hollow shell]

aight sure

(If Alchemical Flask happens to be viable against PBG due to the seekers, tis more understandable)

[earnest raptor]

Yes, it is.

it's like mini-emblem

[distant gyro]

alchemical flask is just there

since there's no future plague content after goliath

[ashen warren]

is brimsus the new :why : and why bring that back, it was killed for a reason

[distant gyro]

god the why emote

[earnest raptor]

You haven't excepted why emote from inventor of emote?

Why?

[frail mantle]

why bring it back at all

like, sure, you're the person that first did it or something, but it doesn't contribute to the suggestion at all

[earnest raptor]

Ok, get a pleasing look of text version of why, no thanks.

[frail mantle]

why are you trying to use the why emote at all

it'd be better if you just wrote Why or Reason or something

[hollow shell]

s'fine

at least it spells out "why" now

[frail mantle]

i suppose

[fervent citrus]

plot twist: the boss was added after someone's top secret sugg

[ashen warren]

is it necessary for the sepulcher to be a kind of meat tank

why dont we just make it completely invulnerable

[frosty dagger]

You can't kill sepulture by attacking it

[hollow shell]

It's more difficult the way it is
Kills piercing

[frosty dagger]

You kill the brimestone orbs

[hollow shell]

You can kill the Sepulcher by direct attack, if you've got high enough DPS

which is the fun thing

[frosty dagger]

Last time I did Scal I only got ones and twos, but that was in 1.4.2

[radiant meadow]

you would need a really fast weapon and a ton of patience

and also be careful enough to not kill the brimstone hearts in the prcoess anyways

and also you would need to be like completely insane to try and do that

[frosty dagger]

Oh that's what you mean, if people actually start trying to do that you gotta give a cool drop like dungean guardian

[hollow shell]

Naww it's just an obstacle in a greater fight

[ashen warren]

sepulcher staff

[hollow shell]

That'd be weird

[distant gyro]

you also have to kill each individual segment pretty sure

aka have fun

[frosty dagger]

Killed sepulture with damage and not the brimestone orbs? What fight could be greater

[tawny garden]

Is it intentional that after beating a boss in expert mode you can switch to rev and get rev-exclusive items from the treasure bag, or is that just because it's hard to code?

[hollow shell]

We know about that problem but it would indeed be somewhat difficult to fix

[frosty dagger]

What if you pre assigned what the bag would drop

[radiant meadow]

that would be horrific to deal with

[hollow shell]

Well... it'd be difficult to fix on the treasure bag's side
There is a very easy fix of just making the Rev items drops directly instead of being in the bag, but Ben doesn't like that solution

[radiant meadow]

I don't care if they drop from the boss or the bag

[tawny garden]

you give rev-treasure bags if you are in rev

[ashen warren]

then let's move it to from the boss

[radiant meadow]

but there was some change to move them to the bag awhile back

[tawny garden]

and normal treasure bags if you're not

[hollow shell]

That'd hurt mod compatibility

[tawny garden]

oh

[radiant meadow]

more than one bag is obnoxious to deal with

[tawny garden]

haven't thought of that

[lost agate]

Just make them direct drops

Its the best and easiest fix

[distant gyro]

@scarlet torrent as much as I agree with the suggestion, that's not to say obsidian skin is irrelevant

the upper hand it has over lava charm+ is the fact that it's insanely convenient to obtain

you can pretty much find them anywhere and everywhere after a few hours of exploration

[frail mantle]

also it doesn't vore an accessory slot

[distant gyro]

that too

[scarlet torrent]

Fair enough

[distant gyro]

that's why obsidian skin is mainly murdered so hard

[scarlet torrent]

Crafting the potion seems a bit unnecessary to be honest then if it's main appeal is being found while exploring

There isn't a potion that functions as vanilla obsidian skin late hardmode/post moon perchance?

Still fairly new to the mod, only done two full playthroughs

@distant gyro

[hollow shell]

Nah, there isn't anything like that afaik

[distant gyro]

yea

[scarlet torrent]

right

[distant gyro]

permanent lava immunity doesn't exist

even on items such as celestial tracers or the amalgam

[scarlet torrent]

I can see that being a good upgrade to the void of extinction

if not just on the amalgam

[earnest raptor]

can easily survive hit of phantasmal deathray
melts in lava

[hollow shell]

hey

.. it takes a while for you to melt

[tired haven]

Brb doing 1000 degrees bath

[gusty geode]

Can the Dryad keep track of how much of the world is infected by the AI?
If not would it be possible to change that?

[hollow shell]

That might be possible

[radiant meadow]

I'm not sure

but I also don't see it as necessary

AI doesn't spread

[ashen warren]

And it would be hell if it did

[vital storm]

guys ...
Heavenfallen Stardisk > Ballistic Poison Bomb
Pos-Plantera and Pos-Astrum Aureos > Pos-Calamitas

why Havenfallen Stardisk is so bad if compare with ballistic ?

[terse sundial]

If you aren't taking advantage of heavenfallen's gimmick, it's not great

[tired haven]

Do you move vertically when using disk?

[terse sundial]

if you are, it shreds everything in mid hardmode

[vital storm]

yes i do

using Daedalus Rogue Set

but ever ussing the heavenfallen stardisk with boss like Destroyer ... i can't deal more damage

[tired haven]

So, the exactly one of two worm bosses that are vulnerable to bomb's aoe?

[vital storm]

i tried Destroyer and Aquatic Scourge, but idk ... maybe need hit all things do deal more damage

if hit walls just lose damage ever with the missels

[frail mantle]

i mean it'd be better if you provided some kill times on Levi or something to show whether it needs a buff/ how much it needs to be buffed

[vital storm]

but ever hitting does not seems very powerfull

[quick ice]

for the "No specific item" rule, can I suggest a non-specific idea of a QoL item that I think could be useful?

[tired haven]

Depends on how vague the qol item function would be

[frail mantle]

if it's just a general concept and not anything specific it should be fine

at least i think so

[quick ice]

gotcha, I'll post the idea here before putting it in #suggestions-voting

Add in an item to spread the Astral Infection in a small area than the Astral Solution:
This could be done through an item that functions like an "Astral Seed" item which would spread the astral infection to one tile, or an item that functions to the Evil/Holy water weapons from vanilla, which spread their respective biome in a small area.
Why?: This would allow for the Astral Infection to be spread in a small radius should the player only want to infect some blocks, which is currently difficult with there only being Astral Solution which has a wide area of effect

[tired haven]

Looking good, altho the first sentence seems like a repeat of title

May want to adjust/remove it

[quick ice]

aight, I'll cut it

[tired haven]

[frail mantle]

maybe change the first sentence to something like Add a way to more easily spread the Astral Infection in a small area, like an Astral variant of Holy/Unholy Water

[hollow shell]

Eh

He already mentions the Waters later

.. the thing that bothers me is "in a small area than the Astral Solution"
It should be "smaller"

[distant gyro]

seed, water, and powder

[quick ice]

oh yeah, I forgot Powders exist

added the powder thing to the sugg and fixed the spelling error

[tired haven]

Powders only remove the opposite biome tho

[quick ice]

they do, but that's still important since there's no way to remove the biome in a small radius either

[hollow shell]

ye he says for removal

[tired haven]

... it could still work as universal hallow/evil removal, but-- o

Yeah goodie then

[quick ice]

I could also change it to "Change the Purification Powder to also remove the Astral Infection Tiles in a small radius" if you guys think that would be better

[hollow shell]

Yeah that should be fine
No reason for it to be a new powder

[tired haven]

That probably should be separate suggestion, ngl

[hollow shell]

hrm

[quick ice]

aight, I'll do a separate sugg then

[lost agate]

make a fruit you throw into the ground that converts to astral iirc

[tired haven]

Like, yeah these all are bound together, but it'd be like 3-in-1 already

[mighty knot]

wow, there are a lot of suggestions

[hollow shell]

wew
In the time it took Krank to get feedback and post a separate related sugg
Two people burst in with their own

[quick ice]

yeah, #suggestions-voting has become way more active since the 120 ⭐s change

[ashen warren]

awesome emote

[dusty stirrup]

Emote but awesome

[hollow shell]

(I'd say since 2 days ago)

[teal ibex]

smh not even

the blush makes it better

[wooden wedge]

it's also an owo

which is illegam

[dry grotto]

smh

why not both hectique

[civic pond]

is that even possible

[dry grotto]

yes

instead of :3c: it becomes :;3c:

[teal ibex]

i believe i used to call it :3b:

[dry grotto]

could work

[ashen warren]

Am i the only one that never uses emotes?

[wooden wedge]

maybe, maybe not

[quick ice]

yes begone 🤡 no, most people don’t use them in every message though which is why you won’t see them to often

[cyan lagoon]

@ashen warren the cleanest way that would happen is if the set gets resprited

which is not a priority for the devs rn

[ashen warren]

Yeah that could work too

[gray nebula]

resprite suggestion

[ashen warren]

Ok, I just think it looks weird in comparison to the other items

[quick ice]

if you think it looks weird, make a resprite/find someone to resprite it and get it submitted in the Art Server

[hollow shell]

Well the sugg isn't about quality so it's okay
I could see it being reduced while maintaining the same design

(We've done it for things like The Pack before)

[sand umbra]

honestly a lot of Calamity's weapons are like obscenely big

this especially applies to swords, many of which out-big even the Breaker Blade

[unkempt bolt]

trashbox's sugg is strange because his example of calamitas kinda undermines his point

because brimstone flame immunity is available before calamitas

i suppose it isn't available before brimstone elemental

[sand umbra]

Brimstone Flames immune is obtained from Brimbo, yes

primarily because it's Brimbo's main debuff

[gray nebula]

pog reasoning

[sleek wadi]

Does Baurinade or whatever even have anything special about or is it just stronk bow?

[hollow shell]

They both shoot electric arrows.

That go PSHAW when they hit anything

That's it.

@fierce grotto Can you give any more reasoning for why these two bows should have an upgrade, beyond the fact that you liked them?

[sleek wadi]

Yeah I don't see why this upgrade should be a thing when ranger is not struggling anywhere in the game, both in terms of DPS and weapon variety.

[distant gyro]

The Storm is a super ascended meme version

[hallow kraken]

The bows look specific to the scourge siblings, it would be kinda weird if the ranged weapon had upgrades but not the others

Being cool is a weird reason to justify that

[radiant meadow]

the storm should be less laggy

and the wooden arrow version should be buffed

[unkempt bolt]

i'd like an upgrade to the barinautical as well

but also just because i like it and having 3 would be cool

[hallow kraken]

That’s the reason given in the suggestion

And simply being cool isn’t a reason

[fierce grotto]

@hollow shell Since They Are Very Good Bows And The Could Use An Upgrade And I Feel Like They're Underrated

[unkempt bolt]

if DoG didn't already have a bow

even though DoG doesn't really fit with barinautical theme

[hallow kraken]

Deathwind

[unkempt bolt]

ye i know

if he didn't

[sleek wadi]

Underrated? Barinautical is meta right now IIRC

[hallow kraken]

Can we get a reason other than “it would be cool”?

[hollow shell]

That reason still doesn't have much substance
So far you've said "I really like them" "They are good" "I want an upgrade" etc
Do you have any actual substantial reasons, like ..

What is it about the bows that you like?

[sleek wadi]

What is it about the bows that are cool, does it fix any particular issues, does it fit in with any particular thematics or lore, etc etc.

[hallow kraken]

Curious

What makes you say it’s “underrated”?

[sleek wadi]

I don't think a Barinautical upgrade is all that necessary when ranger is never weak and never forced into a single option.

Hell even bows only, which isn't valid reasoning due to don'ts, isn't struggling for option variety anywhere.

[fierce grotto]

The Barinade Is quite Good as for dps and damage but most players dont have much usage time
As for The Barinautical Has a much shorter usage time than the Barinade But the dps and dmg is pretty good

[hallow kraken]

But why should it have an upgrade?

[sleek wadi]

Short usage time is not really any issue. If anything it is seen as a good thing as a weapon that survives multiple tiers ends up crowding out multiple tiers.

[hallow kraken]

also isn’t barinade like usable until skele

[hollow shell]

Short usage time I could see as a reason why you'd want an upgrade

to say an item is underrepresented or something

[sleek wadi]

Its the most valid reason you got, but I'm not sure if its really an issue.

[hallow kraken]

I have a problem with these specific scourge drops getting upgrades but not the others

Or does that sound dumb

[sand umbra]

Barinautical being meta sounds pretty funny given the absolute memes you can get at about the same tier

[fierce grotto]

Since Most Players Don't Get To Use Them Much

Sry bad internet

[tawny gyro]

So, is there like... a single reason Aether's Whisper is a double-damage type weapon instead of getting split in half like most boomerangs get split between melee and rogue?

[hallow kraken]

I think that was suggested before

[tawny gyro]

yeah, but why didn't that sugg pass?

or did it?

[hallow kraken]

Huh, it didn’t get enough stars

[hollow shell]

If it was suggested before I'm either forgetful or it was a long time ago

aight

[quick ice]

Whisper is still split, since they deal different types of damage because Alt Fires

[tawny gyro]

yeah, because alt fires

[hollow shell]

I like the fact that Aether's has the damage alt fires
It makes it unique

One of very few hybrid weapons

[quick ice]

yeah

[hollow shell]

(if not the only one in Calamity, afaik)

[tawny gyro]

which means you can't get ranged modifiers

and, then again, what does it being a hybrid weapon bring to the table?

[sleek wadi]

The weapon's double damage types is probably still around because Aether's Whisper would just be funny magic sniper otherwise. Also ranger doesn't get a modifier but it does get ridulously strong shots for no ammo cost. Not that that really matters considering ammo is hardly a draw back but its something.

[quick ice]

true, Hybrid only makes it easier for Multi Class

[tawny gyro]

you're either not gonna use its alt fire at all or only use its alt fire

i get that it's special, it's just

[quick ice]

wait lemme do some researching here

[tawny gyro]

being special doesn't really mean anything here?

it's still haha funny magic sniper

[sleek wadi]

Never said it was a good reason, but it is the reason that is keeping it that way nonetheless. Not the dumbest reason either, Cosmic Discharge is probably still legendary just because otherwise Apotheosis wouldn't have an expensive crafting recipe.

[quick ice]

Ranged Sentinel Tier

• Bows: 1
• Guns: 3 (4 with Aethers Whisper)
• RPGs: 0

Magic Sentinel Tier

• Staves: 4
• Others: 1
• Guns: (1 With Aethers Whisper)

[radiant meadow]

rpg's?

rocket launchers?

[tawny gyro]

yeah

[quick ice]

the weapons that use Rocket for ammo

I forgot the name

[radiant meadow]

that being said, aether's whisper isn't a gun

[smoky wagon]

blissful bombarider is woat

[radiant meadow]

it doesn't use bullets

[distant gyro]

it's a magic gun

[tawny gyro]

it is a magic gun

[radiant meadow]

but under ranged, it's not a gun

it falls under other

[quick ice]

ah, okay

[radiant meadow]

and magic subclasses just exist

they don't mean anything

[tawny gyro]

you dare doubt our lord and savior, piranha gun?

[distant gyro]

also expect sentinels tier to be underwhelming

[radiant meadow]

it's just differentiated by appearance

[distant gyro]

if sentinels tier mean provi-polter exclusive of both bosses

[quick ice]

anyhow, ranged already has 3 gun weapons, so Aethers doesn't need to be in the ranged class

I just considered Sentinel Tier the weapons that directly use the Sentinel Materials or dropped by Sentinels

[distant gyro]

if post-provi is inclusive then the amount of bows and launchers are blatantly false

[radiant meadow]

ideally you'd include most of post prov

[distant gyro]

if post-provi is exclusive then I'm pretty sure the staff count is false

[tawny gyro]

additionally AW is used in Magnomaly Cannon, which is a rocket launcher

[distant gyro]

sentinels staves are crafted with ruinous souls

[radiant meadow]

magnomaly inherits whisper's splitting beams

[quick ice]

hm, lemme recount for Post-Provi to Pre-Polter

[tawny gyro]

so if it doesn't go to "other" i think even "ammoless RPG" would make more sense

(is that even a thing?)

[radiant meadow]

other is anything that's not a flamethrower, gun, rocket launcher, or bow

the latter 4 are decided by ammo consumed

with a few exceptions

(like impaler, spyker, and dragoon drizzlefish)

[tawny gyro]

i'm pretty sure they do say "does not consume (specific type of ammo)" afaik

[radiant meadow]

shroomite helms are a general way to differentiate class

[distant gyro]

melee and summon subs are different by gameplay design, ranged subs are different by ammo, rogue and magic are different by visual design with rogue having exactly one way to distinct

[radiant meadow]

for ranger subclasses

[tawny gyro]

atleast i remember some flamethrower saying "does not consume gel" instead of "does not consume ammo"

[radiant meadow]

ethereal extorter also utilizes some rogue subclasses

[tawny gyro]

well, given shroomite, does any headpiece buff Aether's Whisper?

[radiant meadow]

no

that's why it is other

[tawny gyro]

hmm

[quick ice]

Ranged:

• Guns: 4
• Bows: 4
• Rocket Launchers: 3
• Flamethrower:
• Other: 1 (2 With Aether)

Magic:

• Anything: 7 (8 With Aether)
  This is only Provi drops, Uelibloom and Divine Geode crafts, Bloodflare Sentinel Drops and Sentinel Crafts from Pre-Polter

[radiant meadow]

bloodflare?

[tawny gyro]

magic gets just 6 weapons pre-polter?

[radiant meadow]

krantanuck completely forgot the bloodflare set so no

[tawny gyro]

yeah, i thought something was wrong

[quick ice]

I added Bloodflare

2 more for each

[radiant meadow]

mage gets biofussilade, purge guzzler, sanguine flare, viscera, divine ret, mistlestorm, aether's whisper, and plasma rifle iirc

thunderstorm if you're into rivs

[quick ice]

yeah, sounds about right

so since magic has less weapons at this stage, taking Aethers Whisper away from the Ranged category seems fine imo

[radiant meadow]

but why though?

what do we gain from removing a weapon's gimmick?

[tawny gyro]

and then upgrading a mage weapon directly into a ranged exo-weapon?

that's kinda

[quick ice]

people were suggesting it, I was just checking to see how many weapons each class has at this stage of the game

[radiant meadow]

aether's also has a weird mixed recipe

which also leads into its hybrid gimmick

[tawny gyro]

it'd make more sense to split it into two

[quick ice]

yeah, I agree

[tawny gyro]

the same thing happens with terra disk

you use a melee, melee/rogue and rogue weapon to make it

[radiant meadow]

it was originally just seashell boomerang

[tawny gyro]

(and you make the rogue weapon out of 2 melee weapons)

yeah

[radiant meadow]

the equanimity and thorn chakram were Ozz's suggestions to make it less bare of a recipe

[tawny gyro]

and celestus originally had crystalline in it's direct recipe

no prismalline+

[radiant meadow]

crystalline is rogue though

and so is celestus?

[tawny gyro]

wait no, i thought you meant something else with that

nvm

on a completely unrelated note, the calamity wiki is run by the devs, right?

i think there should be a supernova crafting tree

[distant gyro]

no

[sturdy pelican]

definitely not run

[tawny gyro]

no?

[distant gyro]

I'm working on that

[sturdy pelican]

check altix’s roles

[distant gyro]

well, not always

[sturdy pelican]

lul

[tawny gyro]

well i mean, it's an official wiki

not fan-ran

[distant gyro]

After all, it's a wiki

Anyone can edit it

[tawny gyro]

bruh

[distant gyro]

Do you not know how a Wikipedia works

Anywho

It's official because it's backed by source

[terse sundial]

some wiki editors are devs

some arent

[tawny gyro]

i thought gamewikias were special

well, the more you know

[distant gyro]

There's a fan wikia and that's left in shambles

[ashen warren]

"i really want an upgrade to them" best reasonjng tbh

[zenith flicker]

it is of the highest quality

[hollow shell]

Isn't that dynamic reasonable considering Auric Tesla takes much more effort to make and has a generally more significant presence

Like you make the super duper final best armor
and then you beat one boss
and you throw away the old shit cuz the new one you just got is better in every way

[ashen warren]

bruh

[subtle oracle]

Oh yeah, i always felt like this one was necessary... I agree ⭐ for you

[quick ice]

smh just buff Demonshade
also doesn't Auric Tesla Armor just use the armor sets that you're already supposed to use throughout Post-ML AND the materials from segments of Post-ML that you're encouraged to explore?

[hollow shell]

I think Demonshade having superior DPS and Auric having superior survivability is an okay balance

[ashen warren]

yea i know thats why i said preserve the original one

just add an alternative

[hollow shell]

But, the alternative will be superior to Auric's survivability?

[ashen warren]

yea..

[hollow shell]

so
.. use Auric for one boss then it gets replaced?

[ashen warren]

doesnt get replaced still usable

demonshades revive ability isnt as strong as at's then

[karmic stone]

Auric having superior survivability is an okay balance
yea i know
the alternative will be superior to Auric's survivability?
yea
Thinkies

I really see no point

[hallow kraken]

Reminds me

Isn’t it kinda weird how godslayer gets outclassed after half of a boss fight

[hollow shell]

(In my experience it gets some good use during that half boss fight)

But, yeah fair. Similar situation

The God Slayer and Silva revives are distinct, to the point where you prolly could choose between the two

but
yeah.
similar.

[hazy timber]

i don't see a problem with an armor getting outclassed right away, just another upgrade. it's the same with most weapons anyway

[sand umbra]

Isn't that dynamic reasonable considering Auric Tesla takes much more effort to make and has a generally more significant presence
Like you make the super duper final best armor
and then you beat one boss
and you throw away the old shit cuz the new one you just got is better in every way

I'd agree more with this argument if it wasn't already

literally exactly what you do with exo weps and dev weps because of the asinine power spike post-SCal

Demonshade armor is actually the outlier in this regard

every single exo wep has a big chongulus crafting tree, to varying extents, with the sole exception of like. Hadopelagic Echo

you make these super duper final best weapons™️
and then you beat one boss
and you throw away the old shit 'cuz the new ones you just got are better in every way

[split narwhal]

Isn't demonshade also a dev armor?

[sand umbra]

yes

but it is in fact worse in most facets than Auric Tesla for anything that doesn't strictly serve glass cannon purposes

despite being later in the game

[split narwhal]

I remember something in the don't doc that said no dev items suggestions, or I am tripping

[sand umbra]

it goes against the law of progression, the general precedent set by everything else on the argument of exo tier vs. dev tier, and furthermore directly defies Calamity's absolutely absurd post-ML power spikes which for the record start around after the Devourer of Gods

[hollow shell]

That's asking for new items, freeze

You can suggest changes as long as you get permission from the dedicatee

(or if the dedicatee doesn't exist anymore, it's fair game)

[split narwhal]

ah, good to know

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren You kinda get off the rails near the end there

Also it'd be way easier for us to nerf our summoner weapons than to edit the AIs of vanilla weapons

[radiant meadow]

entropy's vigil is nerfed next update

and I think I buffed plantation staff a bit

[daring cliff]

I was mega sad and disappointed when I found out the demonshade armor wasnt even as good as auric tesla, especially after the effort it was to deal with the nightmare that was scal for me

Also the red devil being always active is extra annoying because I want to choose when I hit enemies, not let the summon ai do that. Afaik there is a pet summon that removes it? But you need a hardcore character or something to obtain it

[radiant meadow]

and I'm nerfing ice clasper detection shenanigans

[ashen warren]

I do tend to do that when discussing summoner related topics, but there really isn't a solution that would make everyone or even most happy.

ice clasper is like inferior to black hawks and forgotten apex for mechs tho

I had figured that the EV nerf was coming.

maybe not dest

The astral slime minion was also rather lackluster due to it's lack of mobility for that stage of the game.

[radiant meadow]

that's not changing

getting the dumb thing to work in the first place was hard enough

[ashen warren]

I could see it being good against aureus and golem but well, you have to fight Aureus to get it.

[radiant meadow]

also pretty sure it eats ravager

[ashen warren]

I'll have to try that out, still rather niche, it's cute though.

[zealous ridge]

i could see an astral meteor attack working

[hollow shell]

(Anyway your last paragraph doesn't apply to the rest of your suggestion)

[zealous ridge]

like every time the minion lands if it's big enough, it shoots a cluster of star projectiles

but yeah

what defines utility minion?

[ashen warren]

It does reasonably well vs ravager but it seems to have an obsession with being on the same horizontal plane as the character.

[zealous ridge]

as does vanilla slime staff

[ashen warren]

So it flies off very often.

It's more exaggerated here I would say, and even if it wasn't this is a late hardmode weapon, it'd be nice to have some utility.

[zealous ridge]

byeah

late hardmode gives way to more mobility on both sides of the fight

so grounded minions like abandoned slime will feel underwhelming

[hollow idol]

@summer herald 1. Crusher is being reworked in a few days
2. seperate unrelated suggestions please

[summer herald]

oh k k my bad

[indigo fog]

yharon is only invincible when transitioning between phases and subphases

and that's because he pauses

[zenith hazel]

I definitely approve of this

[summer herald]

still i find it a bit annoying that while he is paused u still have to move dodge and even not touch him cuz the fight its still happening.

[indigo fog]

ice boomerang is needed for terra disk?

[zenith hazel]

yes

[hollow idol]

YuHp

[indigo fog]

oh yeah

equanimity

[zenith hazel]

you need it for equanimity yea

[vital storm]

edited to equanimity

looks better

[sand umbra]

mfw rogue now has an exo wep it can be locked out of because of worldgen funnies

[hollow idol]

Dragon Pow can also be locked out of if your abyss chokes itself

[sand umbra]

DP isn't one of two options though, it's one of like seven

[hollow idol]

fair

[sand umbra]

the only other option that a rogue has is Supernova if the Ice biome shits itself and lacks an Ice Boomerang

[queen delta]

that's assuming the player doesnt have a QoL mod that lets ice boomerang be obtained another way

[sand umbra]

QoL mods allow a lot of things that Calamity adds recipes for to be obtained another way

yet those recipes exist in Calamity anyway despite typically being outclassed by those QoL mods

not to mention the various methods Calamity adds to obtain items it doesn't give recipes to

e.g. Gatligator, Arkhalis, Bone Sword, every gem and herb in the game, Shark Tooth Necklace, Glowing Mushrooms + Mushroom Grass Seeds, Fallen Stars, etc.

[hollow shell]

@summer herald Just change that second suggestion to be your whole message.
You're not supposed to have more than one suggestion in a message because of how the star voting system works. Just delete the first one considering it's getting done next update anyways.

[summer herald]

done, sorry for that

[hollow shell]

Thank you

[pulsar jay]

are you like, this channel's guardian?

[sand umbra]

he is the sugg guardian
guardian of the suggs

[hollow shell]

Basically yes

[digital saddle]

I actually wish loot hunt and cavern crawling mattered more

I don't want to make item finds even easier

[hollow shell]

Yeah..
It's just a shame, a necessary evil kind of

Worldgen loot relies heavily on RNG, which makes exploration more interesting and unpredictable, but potentially much less fair

[digital saddle]

Most worlds don't spawn with sandstorm in a bottle which is a shame

[radiant meadow]

@vital storm calamity adds an ice boomerang recipe

Do your research >:C

[hollow shell]

That would be a great addition to have on this page
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Vanilla_item_recipes

because whoops

[radiant meadow]

Check in game first always

[hollow shell]

I'll add it

[radiant meadow]

I added an ice boomerang recipe because I added it to Equanimity

So the reasoning is invalid

[vital storm]

wait what

i don't see it on vanilla item recipes

[hollow shell]

Yeah it's missing cuz we're dips

I'm adding it right now

[vital storm]

oh

[hollow shell]

Sorry about that

[radiant meadow]

Fact checking in game helps

[vital storm]

i just removed the suggestion now

[hollow shell]

Thank you

[digital saddle]

If it's not on the wiki how are they supposed to know

[vital storm]

Nice job 👍

[digital saddle]

Guide doesn't go both ways

[radiant meadow]

Byeah, as fun as it would to see people suffer, I added ice boomerang recipe so Celestus wouldn't have world rng

[hollow shell]

Recipe Browser mod, probably

[radiant meadow]

Recipe browser is what the guide should've been

[vital storm]

i am not using hacks or recipe browser mod

[radiant meadow]

(Recipe browser is epic tho. You should use it)

[tired haven]

Mfw ingame wiki is hox

[queen delta]

i mean...

what if world rng doesnt make a snow biome

[indigo fog]

then make a new world because you're gonna need cryonic bars to actually beat the game

[hollow shell]

Nah fam

Ravager

[radiant meadow]

Make a new world because your world gen had a massive aneurysm

[sleek wadi]

Nah fam keep the world, because world gen having suck a big seizure that it ended up skipping the snow biome entirely is a rarity to be treasured and shared.

[fleet jungle]

novelty world; treasure it.

[hollow shell]

Delivered Suggestion Statuses I guess

@teal ibex 🤷 https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/690251004167585942
@pulsar jay 🚫 https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/690027248907976729
@mighty knot 👍 https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/688923513511215179
@teal ibex 👍 https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/690762617387483167
@hexed ore 🏁 https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/691731224573640805

(Bongos, in your case, the treasure bags will be shoved into world boundaries if Levi dies outside the map. This will also apply to other Ocean bosses)

[teal ibex]

lifesteal

[subtle oracle]

Did life steal sug get rejected?

[hollow shell]

No leaning one way or the other

Neutral opinion.

[tired haven]

The one that was rejected is talking scal pet

[subtle oracle]

It got a shrug, idk what that is

[hollow shell]

yeah we don't have official notation for neutral response

we might get one if Hectique's other suggestion gets completed

[mighty knot]

what're the new emotes gonna be?

[subtle oracle]

Yeah OF COURSE the undesired ones like talking pet WILL be rejected

[digital saddle]

I don't think any lifesteal items are very problematic right now

[mighty knot]

they are kinda weird

they don't exactly fit in

[digital saddle]

They're fine I think

They don't allow you to facetank endless damage but they help sustain between potions

[pulsar jay]

hurt*

[teal ibex]

krastyan please stop acting like this

[pulsar jay]

[subtle oracle]

Hey, the talking pet is a fun idea... But nothing in terraria speaks

[teal ibex]

also yeah they're not causing an active problem but if you read my original suggestion you'll understand what's missing with them as of right now

[pulsar jay]

scal literally does speak

[subtle oracle]

But she does so in Text

[pulsar jay]

did you think I was asking for a voice actor

[hollow shell]

The sugg doesn't say to do it in voice

[subtle oracle]

Yes monkaS

[teal ibex]

oh god LOL

[pulsar jay]

[teal ibex]

horrifying

[tired haven]

[pulsar jay]

is scal still British

[subtle oracle]

Oh yeah, doesnt she speak as a british lady in Dm dokuro's video?

[teal ibex]

i don't think that was ever official

[hollow shell]

I dunno if that's canon or not

[tired haven]

Doubtful

[pulsar jay]

hope not because it really doesn't match

[subtle oracle]

What would you expect Calamitas to sound like??

[digital saddle]

I think that was from a movie or something

[tired haven]

No idea

[subtle oracle]

A mushy satanic woman voice... Alright i'll stop Offtopic

[tired haven]

Yeah you should

[hollow shell]

Nah it wasn't from a movie

Dokuro got a freelance voice actress

[hexed ore]

Oh, nice

My suggestion got approved

but what part

[ashen warren]

This is why we separate suggs

[hollow shell]

I said which part

(Her Treasure Bag will get shoved into the world if she dies outside the map)

@digital saddle So, landing 15 hits grants you the same boost as Rogue Emblem?
As in... you always have the Rogue Emblem boost unless you utilize stealth?

[digital saddle]

Well currently it's "you always have a rogue emblem boost so long as you don't mind spending 5 minutes stacking it after every death"

[hollow shell]

Yeah that's indeed tedious if you bother doing that
but I don't think one of the earliest rogue accessories should discourage you from using rogue's unique mechanic

[digital saddle]

Stealth in the early game needs work in general
It has a number of accessories but they just don't feel good enough until like eclipse mirror which is lategame

[hollow shell]

Your suggested change would exacerbate the problem

Make stealth even less worth it to use

[digital saddle]

Ideally, other accessories or stealth in general would be made stronger to compensate

[hollow shell]

This is not an assumed change. You'll probably need to put that in your suggestion

[karmic stone]

stealth in general would be made stronger
h

Would that fall under the "stuff that takes alot of time and effort" dont

[digital saddle]

Someone was talking earlier about giving rogue more distinct sub-classes
My personal fantasy for rogue would be a stealth specialization which is about spaced out burst damage, and a all out thrower specialization that holds down lmb and chucks to their hearts content
Something like this could help to create that split, though obviously that's only my personal vision for the class

[hollow shell]

It's a bit backwards to say that early game stealth needs more work, yet you suggest a function that actively discourages stealth with the hope that it'll lead to the other accessories getting buffed to compensate
Suggest that the other accessories get buffed, cut out the backward-ass middleman

[digital saddle]

The intent wasn't to "nerf" early game stealth that's more of a side effect.
I was more trying to suggest a way to remove the drudgery of the long term stacking mechanic while keeping the flavor of the accessory

[hollow shell]

You should probably think if a different new function

Something like "When you land a crit, your stealth gain is doubled until you attack again" or whatever

Doesn't involve stacking tho, if that's a part of the accessory's identity. Made it up just now

[digital saddle]

I removed it for now. I'll give it some more thought tomorrow. Off to sleep now. Night

[hollow shell]

Alright. Good luck brainstorming.
Gnight 👋

[hollow shell]

@sturdy pelican Don't comment on suggestions in that channel. Do so here.

[sturdy pelican]

ok

[ashen warren]

boss immunity phases could stop existing once you've killed the boss after them or killed the boss X amount of times

allowing the pure catharsis of just slaughtering a boss

[bitter drift]

@hollow shell why didn't you tell me that my suggestion past?

[worthy fiber]

How about dummy + wulfrum?

Or is that too early? afaik the only thing locking the dummy is the Merchant since you need hay

[bitter drift]

wdym?

[fervent citrus]

maybe add bones to the recipe?

[pulsar jay]

why bones

[worthy fiber]

Late pre-hm then, post-Skeletron

But that's still past plenty of summon weapons already

[pulsar jay]

if anything you should just be able to craft the dummy in it's super form from the beginning

maybe you can buy it from the merchant if you have a dps meter on you

since it's useless otherwise

[bitter drift]

i have to ask
but is the bug where you have 1/2 the amount of Invince frames intended or not?

[tired haven]

Which bug is that?

I don't recall anything like that ngl

[vital marlin]

idk if this is what they are talking about but if you dash into an enemy with asgards valor you occasionally get hit multiple times even when you have extra i-frames

[keen nebula]

someone made a suggestion to change the crystyl crusher

just why

do you want it back to its old ways

do you like destroying your own buildings or some shit like i don't understand

[terse sundial]

It's not getting reworked a 5th time

[vital marlin]

breaking things is more fun then building things :)

[bitter drift]

@vital marlin 1. yes it is
2. it's not JUST with the valor it's with every calamity dash

[vital marlin]

guess I just don't notice it with counter scarf because of the dodge thingy

[bitter drift]

except the counter scarf

[vital marlin]

yea

[bitter drift]

ya

but for the longest time i though it was only the valor as a balancer but then i die the same way to calamitas by dashing into her with the cryo dash

so this is a bug or is it not?

[vital marlin]

probably a bug I think. Its really annoying to if you are running true melee without counter scarf for whatever reason.

[bitter drift]

ya but it does need a change be intentional or not

[vital marlin]

idk if its intentional but i dont think it should be

[bitter drift]

ya i am ok with it being on the valor but not on the cryo dash, it already lower your defense by 10

so i don't know if this is a bug or intentional so i will put it here as a suggestion
currently if you dash into an enemy with most calamity dashes (valor and it's upgrade, cryo dash and i think it also applies to the belts) your invinceability fames kind of disappear and buffs that increase it [I frames] don't do anything to solve this problem

so my suggestion is: if this a bug remove it, if this is intentional nerf or remove this mechanic
reason: is it really fair to die to the prime saw that just changed it's direction right into you while you were dodging the laser beat that was fired into your direction?
or loss 99% of your health to the attack providence just summoned while you were dashing though her body that doesn't do contact damage?

what do you think of the suggestion?

[toxic kettle]

if you're not sure if it's a bug or not you should probably ask in #bugs-read-pins

[bitter drift]

ok

[frail mantle]

are you talking exclusively about the i-frames you get by ramming an enemy with Asgard's Valor and up

[bitter drift]

not just the valor

it's also with the cryo dash

i wouldn't have complained about it if i knew it was just for balancing the valor and it's upgrade

[frail mantle]

doesn't cryo lore basically do the same thing as Valor and up

[bitter drift]

no

it doesn't damage enemies that you charge though

i think it's slows them but that's it

[frail mantle]

it does though

at least it's supposed to

[toxic kettle]

iirc it just freezes them

[bitter drift]

wait a sec i will check the wiki if it should ram enemies

[frail mantle]

directly from the wiki: The player can dash, dealing 50 damage and applying Glacial State for 5 seconds to any enemy hit. The player loses 10 defense.

doesn't say anything about i-frames

[digital saddle]

i posted that wulfrum suggestion a long time ago (like years) but it didnt get through. I hope its ok to post it again

[vital marlin]

the bug is that dashing sometimes seems to reduce your players i-frames

[bitter drift]

ya it does do damage but that is basically nothing?!

50 damage?

also why in the world it does damage, that sounds dumb.

[frail mantle]

well if it's a bug you definitely shouldn't put it in #suggestions-voting

[toxic kettle]

I mean the purpose of a dash is not to deal damage, it's just a little addition

[frail mantle]

^

[bitter drift]

well if the down side is that i don't have any i frames when i dash WHAT IS THE PECKING POINT?!

iirc most of the time you dash to AVOID damage not deal it

[frail mantle]

it sounds like a bug

which means it doesn't go here, but in #bugs-read-pins

[bitter drift]

posting it to the #bugs-read-pins

[frail mantle]

good idea ye

[ashen warren]

I think its way more worth to go with summoner headpiece at the start

+1 minion is more valuable than 3 defense lole

You get his point though

[tired haven]

Indeed

[weary walrus]

Imagine being defensive in calamity, especially when you're not melee

[timid topaz]

Probably a dumb question, but the #suggestions-voting also takes enemy suggestions?

[radiant meadow]

yes

[timid topaz]

Ok.

[radiant meadow]

although brand new enemy suggestions are frowned upon

[timid topaz]

Then what are not brand new enemy suggestions?

[frail mantle]

suggestions about adding brand new enemies

[left crest]

everything except brand new enemy suggestions are not brand new enemy suggestions

[hollow shell]

An "enemy suggestion" could mean changes to existing enemies

[left crest]

exactly

though suggestions for specific items also aren't allowed and I'd advise reading the rest of the suggestion "Don'ts" doc as well

[timid topaz]

Ok, that's what i needed.

[hollow shell]

You could ask for a new enemy to be added, if you aren't super specific about it

[left crest]

yep

same with items

[hollow shell]

Like, for instance, you could ask for any new enemy be added to Hallow/Hell post-ML to flesh out the Profaned concept more
but you can't ask for "Hellish Judge - Enemy resembling priest which shoots 5 fireballs and deals 200 damage", etc

[timid topaz]

Oh, ok i bet it.

[left crest]

if you name the item or enemy or detail its exact functionality it's probably a specific suggestion

[timid topaz]

But is concept art allowed?

[left crest]

if you have a sprite or concept art that is also specific

[hollow shell]

Yeah that would make it too specific, asking for an exact appearance

[left crest]

you can suggest a general suggestion, such as "we need a slime for x ore" but not "auric slime and it looks like (image of auric slime)"

[timid topaz]

Ok.

My idea was for a new enemy to spawn after the Perforators, and it would look similar to this.

How specific is this?

[hollow shell]

Yeah
You wouldn't be able to ask for that guy in particular.

You could only ask for an enemy to be added post-Perfs

[left crest]

you should have a good reason for it to be added as well, suggestions without a reason will likely be quickly denied/removed

[timid topaz]

Ok...

[frosty dagger]

Increase the amount of Luminite that moonlord drop.

Moonlord drops about 25 bars worth of Luminite ore. There are dozens of new craftable weapons post ml and they all require luminite. To get all of the weapons of one class and armor you have to kill moonlord almost a dozen times. You also have to do the lunar events multiple times to get the fragments required to make all the summons. You have to grind here so much for no real good reason.

[hollow shell]

That's a fine suggestion

Surprisingly not a bluecheck, people haven't suggested that in a while

[mighty knot]

mmmm

one thing I've been sitting on is enemies that drop luminite that spawn in space post-ml

since you'll be there to get exodium and cinderplate

[frosty dagger]

The only issue with that is that there isn't any new space enimies

And the normal ones don't get buffed

[hollow shell]

An alternate method to obtain Luminite is a very frequently suggested thing
I should probably put it in the Don'ts doc.. but I'm personally frustrated that none of them have been done yet even after repeated approval and discussion

I will put it in the Don'ts doc actually but I'm gonna bring it up to the devs again

[digital saddle]

im fine with it

but i think if moon lord was harder, i would definitely rather not fight him several times

[hollow shell]

@solid nimbus 11 per line, actually

[frosty dagger]

I prefer having to plan the buffs I'm gonna use, but that's just my opinion

[jaunty isle]

or just maybe make the Martian madness drop it but a small amount post Moon lord?

[digital saddle]

there are a lot of ways you could go about it

[frosty dagger]

Aureus

[solid nimbus]

True, i was kinda close thankfully xD

[digital saddle]

post ml aureus is a pain in the ass

[frosty dagger]

That guy is such a tank

[hollow shell]

Rev+ ML is really frickin hard

[frosty dagger]

And the mount doesn't go through platforms

[digital saddle]

idk i did him first try

on my rogue

maybe other classes have a harder time

[hollow shell]

I think he got changed again after I fought him

[digital saddle]

i just remember he used to be a lot harder

[jaunty isle]

depend on classes and wep tbh

[hollow shell]

I fought him while the True Eyes were removed entirely

[indigo fog]

I did buffed ML first try with melee

with arma actually

i never found ML hard

[tired haven]

11 buffs limit sounds much more harsh than current floating one

[jaunty isle]

Depend on experience tbf

i found ML much more easier than some that were around him

[tired haven]

(not that I would not love it, but others probably won't)

[gray nebula]

yeah 11 buff limit kinda ech

[digital saddle]

what do you guys think about nerfing hivemind
i feel like theres a very big difficulty discrepancy between it and perforators

[gray nebula]

buff perfs then

[jaunty isle]

what but why nerf him

[wooden wedge]

hive mind is pretty mild in difficulty

[hollow shell]

Hive Mind was too weak compared to Perfs for the longest time

[wooden wedge]

like just perfect for a pre hm boss

[jaunty isle]

its pretty good on difficulty actually

[unkempt bolt]

i find perfs harder

[indigo fog]

What makes hive mind that much harder than perfs?

[wooden wedge]

IMO buff perfs a bit more

[toxic kettle]

Perfs were made harder too recently

[indigo fog]

also perfs got a new ram attack in 1.4.3

[hollow shell]

This is true

[jaunty isle]

his attack much more easier to dodge then the new Perfs attack

[digital saddle]

hivemind has a lot of hp

the second phase specifically

[ashen warren]

There was an argument in here for a while whether EoW was harder than Hive Mind, whereas that’s not really a thing with Perfs vs. BoC

That’s true, second phase is a tank

[digital saddle]

main perf has 6k, worms have less and segments

[agile cloud]

EoW is easy given you get a good arena

Or make one

[digital saddle]

hivemind has 12k

in second stage

just feels like a grind

[agile cloud]

4k in first iirc

[jaunty isle]

i mean perfs do have 3 worm to deal with and if you try to rush em the hive will try to ram you then making the fight more chaotic

[ashen warren]

And the perfs are quite fast and that can be irritating

[digital saddle]

idk i find perfs almost trivial in difficulty, but i dont enjoy fighting hivemind at all

[agile cloud]

perfs isnt hard

[jaunty isle]

what

[agile cloud]

it just melts

[jaunty isle]

...

[agile cloud]

hive mind is an endurance test

[digital saddle]

yeah

thats probably accurate

[agile cloud]

dodge all the random crap it sends at you for like 5 mins

perfs is melt it with piercing for 2 mins while not getting hit for insane damage

[solid nimbus]

Maybe it should be increased to 16 or someth, or an alternative to the potion system entirely;

Enter potion charms-
One time use items like the demon heart or onion that give you the effect of the potion permanently, however now you are unable to use those potions anymore as you already have those boosts (think cadence replacing regen) these should be fairly expensive and post-ml though

[agile cloud]

i've killed it in >1 min

[ashen warren]

Hive Mind is one of my favorite fights in Calamity tbh

[digital saddle]

perfs can probably be done in 1ish

[hollow shell]

That sounds a bit specific, Omega

[wooden wedge]

what should be increased to 16?

[agile cloud]

specific item suggs are on the donts right?

[hollow shell]

yeah

[wooden wedge]

is it the buff cap? because that's 22 already I thought

[hollow shell]

This isn't as specific as some other ones, though. It could be edited to be valid.

[agile cloud]

yeah

but buff cap is 22 right?

[hollow shell]

He means post-separation (look at his sugg)
so the full total is actually 32

[agile cloud]

oh

[digital saddle]

different classes need different amounts of buffs

which is kind of a problem

[agile cloud]

enter rogue

[jaunty isle]

thats make the potion and buffs kinda bonkers tho

[solid nimbus]

Tru, especially summoner

[agile cloud]

Rogue needs way more than summoner

[jaunty isle]

^

[agile cloud]

flasks, crumbling, ammo conservation

[digital saddle]

rogue needs crumbling and ichor

basically

[jaunty isle]

penumbra also

[digital saddle]

stealth kinda dead

[agile cloud]

flasks stack though dont they?

[indigo fog]

rogue uses ammo conservation?

[solid nimbus]

Been a while since I did a rogue playthrough tho

[agile cloud]

It works iirx

iirc*

[jaunty isle]

and some utility pots

[solid nimbus]

Sry xD

[agile cloud]

for consumable items

i'd need to double check that though

[digital saddle]

i dont think penumbra is worth bothering with

tbh

maybe for like yharon p2

[jaunty isle]

it still nice to have but not mandatory yeh

[indigo fog]

I never heard of rogue getting benefits from ammo conservation before

[hollow shell]

They do

It affects the thrown consumables

[agile cloud]

Ok

[hollow shell]

iirc

[agile cloud]

but not the non consumable ones

[jaunty isle]

Consumables do works iirc

[hollow shell]

Yeah it has no effect on the nonconsumable ones of course

[agile cloud]

dupes non consumable weapons

[ashen warren]

Epic money maker

[solid nimbus]

Maybe some of the new potions could be folded into one for rogue to reduce inventory and buff clutter

[indigo fog]

I don't see anything mentioning it on the rogue or buffs wiki page

I'll test it and see if that's a thing

[agile cloud]

try with potion and ammo box

ammo box stacks with it, so thats an extra buff

[solid nimbus]

Noticed A LOT more potions since my previous rogue playthrough in 2019

[jaunty isle]

yes

[solid nimbus]

Like an unnecessarily large number tbh

[hollow shell]

(There's only 3 dedicated rogue potions)

[agile cloud]

its not like you dont have the buff slots for all of them

[hollow shell]

1 of them is a straight upgrade to another

[agile cloud]

especially once you get cadence

[jaunty isle]

shattering ye?

[hollow shell]

yeah

[ashen warren]

Well, also just because a potion exists doesn’t mean you need to have it

[jaunty isle]

not all of em is needed

[solid nimbus]

True, but inventory management is very important, even with alchemist tokens *which are third party it is still a lot to manage

[agile cloud]

i just use every potion cause i can

ravager farming is ez money

[indigo fog]

so ammo conservation for rogue consumables is a thing

just tested it

[agile cloud]

does ammo box stack?

[indigo fog]

not sure

[solid nimbus]

A peek into my inv, it would be cool in vanilla calamity if near the moonlord-tier you were able to combine potions into bottomless long-lasting mixes that combine the effects of similar potions, helping to remove clutter and grinding to restock, alchemist has some things like this but they last for very short periods of time.

[agile cloud]

luiafk has unlimited buff potions

[solid nimbus]

*same with similar boss soul effects

[hollow shell]

At least one of those is a non-vanilla or Calamity potion

the pink thin one?

[solid nimbus]

*bottomless cadence

has a different sprite

[hollow shell]

oh wew

[solid nimbus]

Like look at the number of these lads

[hollow shell]

mmmseveral of those aren't Calamity

[solid nimbus]

oh tru

[agile cloud]

some are alch npc

[hollow shell]

and several are class-specific or situational

[agile cloud]

like dryad potion

[hollow shell]

You won't use Crumbling and Astral Injection at the same time.

and Ceaseless Hunger is not something you want on all the time

@fierce grotto Can you please not capitalize every word

[hallow kraken]

Aren’t more being added next update or

[hollow shell]

It's a bit annoying to read

[solid nimbus]

should be folded into a universal defense potion though, same with several of the class-specific ones

[gray nebula]

Incredible Reasoning Right There Epic

[distant gyro]

Why Is Everything Like This

[gray nebula]

Also Yes There Might Be A New Legendary

[hollow shell]

Also yes there are more legendaries getting added next update

[radiant meadow]

more as in 1

[gray nebula]

force a programmer to code one more

[distant gyro]

Wait Are We Confirming this

[gray nebula]

[distant gyro]

[unique vector]

werent legendary weps banned from suggestions

[distant gyro]

ok sure

[hollow shell]

Update is coming out in like a week, it's fine

[distant gyro]

yes there is 1 more legendary

[hollow shell]

Also no, Ava

[distant gyro]

[unique vector]

mmm

[radiant meadow]

can we ban leggies?

since they're already planned anyways

[unique vector]

we can ban legs yes

[solid nimbus]

These are cool but they are not vanilla calamity and looking for a close-to-vanilla experience ;c

[unique vector]

starting with yours

[radiant meadow]

brb removing divine trash from the game

[solid nimbus]

using bottomless stuff but didn't want to grind, doesn't alter gameplay tho

[unique vector]

🔪

[hallow kraken]

Better idea!

Make it so perforator worms don’t drop samples

[jaunty isle]

yeah

[hallow kraken]

The reward for a boss fight should be from beating the boss

[agile cloud]

more resources = less grinding

tell that to BoC or EoW

[jaunty isle]

since if it drop it in the first place you just cheese it will the weapon from em