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#suggestions-discussion
zealous ridge
ah
radiant meadow
cleaning up refactored code is extreme ech
zealous ridge
more effort yeah
radiant meadow
rewriting from scratch is kinda bruh
sand umbra
cleaning up refactored code is fine
radiant meadow
aiStyle 26 has way too many things
sand umbra
...well, until you have to override the entirety of a method to edit one weapon
then it becomes supreme ech
radiant meadow
kinda annoying
sand umbra
I suppose the main reason I don't really get bothered by it is because I do it a lot
and as such I'm used to it
hollow idol
Consilaria and Ocram N stuff exist
if you want other platform content for pc
@ashen warren
the stuff generally wouldnt fit into Calamity
ashen warren
Consilaria?
worthy fiber
prehardmode souls of might haha
ashen warren
What's that?
worthy fiber
Also Ocram isn’t quite well designed
karmic stone
A mod that adds console stuff
worthy fiber
Go look thar mod up
karmic stone
hollow idol
woeful ginkgo
ashen warren
Ocram is part of our family.
worthy fiber
he’s not.
lost agate
Calamitas doesnt vomit 300 scythes
ashen warren
Ocram honestly wasn't that difficult. I unironically thought Doucheron was harder to fight.
hollow idol
The entire family never lives together smh
swift bison
Theres a mod called consolaria already
hollow idol
He lives in another house (Consolaria)
wooden wedge
Ocram in particular drops Souls of Blight which grant access to exclusive armor that otherwise can't be accessed.
swift bison
which adds exactly that
wooden wedge
tehy can't be accessed at all because they don't exist
wooden wedge
for PC??
wooden wedge
they only exist on old console and 3DS
swift bison
they only exist on console and mobile as vanity sets
ashen warren
For console, and can't otherwise be accessed.
lost agate
Calamity is already all over with content to just add a random ass "oh yeah and we also add console exclusive content for whatever reason"
swift bison
theres already a mod that adds console content to PC, go try that out if you want console stuff
ashen warren
@lost agate It's not just for ''whatever reason''.
hollow idol
I forget, does it add Turkor and Bun
swift bison
well then what IS the reason?
ashen warren
Ocram is a genuinely fun boss fight and has access to three sets of armor.
karmic stone
It does iirc
hollow idol
Its a boss suggestion
lost agate
Does calamity specifically has to do it?
Does ocram fit in the lore, does ocram fill any gap in progression?
No
wooden wedge
consolaria adds the bosses
swift bison
- no he isn't, his design is terrible
- boss suggestion
- specific item suggestion for armour
- doesn't fit with calamity at all
- there's already another mod that does exactly this
lost agate
cobalt rose
wooden wedge
calamity adds lore to the game
ashen warren
Then you can add lore for Ocram.
lost agate
Well wow
hollow idol
its not like we have a #lore-discussion or anything
covert junco
ashen warren
Also I never noticed that channel.
sand umbra
Lepus is meme
sand umbra
Turkor is a neat concept but I'm not sure on the execution of it
ashen warren
Lepus is a fat joke, but my thought was ''might as well just include them if Ocram is gonna be included''.
sand umbra
Ocra--...wait, yeah, doesn't Consolaria literally already commit itself to doing this exact thing
quick ice
Turkor and Lepus have far too bloated stats to be a Pre-Hardmode boss
lost agate
As i said, calamity's content is already all over the place so why contribute to that even more?
quick ice
^
Agreed
ashen warren
Also, I can't really play Consolaria and Calamity at the same time though?
..Can you?
wooden wedge
you can
quick ice
adding console stuff really isn't Calamities place
karmic stone
Yes you can
swift bison
you very much can
ashen warren
Oh?
sand umbra
you absolutely can
lost agate
Le bruh
hollow idol
Zapinator
swift bison
are you even a PC player?
sand umbra
did you somehow think you could only play one mod at once 
quick ice
a more reasonable suggestion would be something like Calamity doing Revengeance Support for Consolaria
sand umbra
hollow idol
wh
karmic stone
Lol!
sand umbra
the meme
cobalt rose
is this dude a troll or smthn
past cape
Just because it’s not recommended to play multiple mods at once for your first modding experience doesn’t mean
What
ashen warren
Seraph, if I'm playing Calamity, I'm very obviously on PC.
hollow idol
Calamity mobile exists
past cape
ashen warren
Wait.
ashen warren
It does?
sand umbra
Calamity will never be on mobile, have a nice day
vocal grotto
No
swift bison
no it doesnt
vocal grotto
Just an old joke at this point
ashen warren
://///
ashen warren
Anyways, this is getting out of topic. Gonna download the mod later, didn't know it existed + that you could play both at once.
swift bison
it's possible to be a console player and have never used Tmodloader but still make calamity suggs, and if one uses tmodloader one would think they would have figured out that it can handle more then one mod at a time before asking about it
ashen warren
I deleted the suggestion.
past cape
If someone put an actual content mod on mobile then the publishers would lightsaber-fish smack you into oblivion
cobalt rose
do you know how mods work
ashen warren
Obviously not all mods can support each other and work together.
Maybe don't be so condescending and assume everyone knows how mods work?
I only just installed the mod, not even a month ago.
cobalt rose
that was like, the only condescending statement i made towards you wtf
sand umbra
Then perhaps it would be wise for you to spend some time getting acquainted with the mod and how it interacts with other mods and with itself.
ashen warren
One too many.
vocal grotto
I'm going to agree with Keta. Not everyone knows how mods work, and the comment was unwarranted.
cobalt rose
yeah im a piece of shit anyways.
ashen warren
This is literally the first mod I've ever downloaded ever. I don't even download Minecraft mods because it's a hassle and I don't know how.
Oh God Ketamin Ermin’s sugg caused drama again?
swift bison
fyi the only mods that can't work together at all are overhaul and content mods
ashen warren
But isn't Consolaria a ''content'' mod?
I mean, all mods are content mods, aren't they? Since they literally add mods.
vocal grotto
They mean in the context of new, original content being the primary focus
sand umbra
also I'm pretty sure Seraph was moreso referring to the fact that Overhaul shits itself in the presence of other large content mods especially
vocal grotto
A non-content mod could, for example, refer to more quality of life mods.
cyan moth
iirc isn't it not even allowed to add platform-exclusive content to mods
quick ice
@ashen warren just an idea here, but maybe you shouldn't be making suggestions about Calamity until you know for sure that Calamity | A: Doesn't already implement the suggestion is some form or another and | B: That the suggestion would have a meaningful addition to the mod and would improve a part of the mod as a whole (In a large or small way) while not being redundant/not important
vocal grotto
Unless that was revoked recently, ye.
quick ice
also @cyan moth that changed a year or so ago, hence Consolaria
cyan moth
fuck
vocal grotto
Oh, it was? OK.
karmic stone
Which is why Zapinator/Lazinator is in Clam currently
sand umbra
oh, is that why Zapinator exists
karmic stone
Forgot which is which 
sand umbra
meme
ashen warren
@quick ice I can't tell for sure if the suggestion would ''improve'' the mod because I genuinely though Ocram could. I never had any issues with it like others did. Granted, I died many times, just as I've done to other bosses, but I didn't think he was cheap or broken or poorly designed.
sand umbra
Lazinator is Calamity's immediate Laser Rifle upgrade, Zapinator is that one 3DS Plantera drop nobody gets because it's deadass rarer than Seedling
quick ice
Adding a flawed boss from the Console addition wouldn't do anything good for the mod, and it certainly isn't important to the mod in its current state
lost agate
The suggestion is gone already
hollow idol
Lazinator was added before the rule was revoked, it only passed because its not the same thing
sand umbra
*Zapinator
swift bison
no
hollow idol
budget quality version of the Zapinator
sand umbra
karmic stone
e
sand umbra
fixed the earlier statement
imma go before I make myself look any dumber 
karmic stone
Br it's one letter
ashen warren
Thomas worried about making mistakes like 
lost agate
Zazinator
hollow shell
is that a glitch Pokemon reference
ashen warren
Missingno intensifies
sand umbra
ZZAZZinator
...I should make that an RIV of Lazinator
just have to decide where it comes from
lost agate
Make it charge for a bit then shoot 30 lasers
sand umbra
...okay assume Lazinator takes a Mech and Souls of Sight
now what
hollow idol
post one mech
lost agate
Kek
sand umbra
I will obliterate you with my two bare hands
hollow idol
like how angry dog gets a buff post cryo
sand umbra
hollow idol
and cloud post provi iirc
sand umbra
...I'll just make it a drop from the Twins probably
meme
ashen warren
Specifically Ret
sand umbra
specifically if Retinazer is killed last
hollow idol
if you kill ret first because people always try to maul spaz first
sand umbra
but y
ashen warren
Not in Calamity they don’t
sand umbra
Retinazer's a real bastard to deal with especially at lower health
lost agate
Kill ret with a laser rifle
sand umbra
lost agate
Neat condition
ashen warren
At that rate make it a high drop chance under that condition
lost agate
and an achievement called karma
sand umbra
I wish I could
ashen warren
“That’s what I call a reversal of fortune, beast!”
sand umbra
'Karma at its finest'
queen delta
Okay we're kinda going off topic
gusty geode
Would that mean a special drop for killing Spaz with a flamethrower
gusty grail
how does exclamation mark work?
why does it take longer to go away on some suggestions then others
karmic stone
It's set by a bot and a mod+ removes it if the suggestion is valid
Sometimes people use it as a dislike button, which is kinda cringe,.,.,.,.
gusty grail
i use it for suggestions that break the rules
queen delta
Yeah removing the exclamation mark depends on whether the suggestion qualifies for it or if any mod is on to check it
gusty grail
as in already said no to/is re adding something like stress
queen delta
And I don't really care if anyone reacts to the exclamation mark
gusty grail
yes
sand umbra
Would that mean a special drop for killing Spaz with a flamethrower
...you have inspired me now
zealous ridge
oh! i just remembered an idea i had...
how do you think people would feel about giving new sprites and particles to the effects provided by Auric Tesla's inherited armor set bonuses?
examples would be making silva crystal and polter mine have unique sprites (mechworm stays the same bc that might be worm code nightmare) and having particle effects like the tarragon cloak be electric blue and blood frenzy be gold and blue particles, just as an example... there are other things to consider and it may be a bit of spritework, but how does it sound?
ashen warren
RIV of Elem Eruption that you have to go back and kill the Twins for after beating Provi intensifies
zealous ridge
ashen warren
I would be down for that, like making the set bonus effects the same but more Auric
zealous ridge
yeah biggest problem is the spritework requirement tho
ashen warren
“Bro just make them yellow/orange/red”
zealous ridge
okay
karmic stone
I remember having a similar idea and then forgot to post it
zealous ridge
n ic e
karmic stone
Also I think that would need separate buffs (I. e Auric Tarragon Cloak) syhea spritework
quick ice
Make the Fusion Feeder function like a normal Sand Shark:
By this I mean let it swim through the blocks and actually function as a real enemy rather than a semi-aggressive Roomba. Alongside this, it should probably be made into a Sandstorm only enemy since it would now actually function like the Sand Sharks, which are exclusive to this event
alternatively...
Rework the Fusion Feeder into a swimming enemy for the Astral Surface and Underground:
As an alternative option to making this guy just another sand shark, turning this guy into the Astral Swimming enemy would fill that gap for the biome since it currently lacks an aquatic enemy and make the Roomba-Shark a more relevant enemy.
thoughts? I'd rather only post one of these suggestions but I don't know which is more reasonable
ashen warren
bottom
keen geyser
but fusion feeder roomba
hallow hatch
Roomba
ashen warren
R O O M B A
queen delta
Decrease the overall health of Skeletron Prime.
As he stands right now, he's the longest-lasting mech boss compared to the other two by a wide margin. He still takes a while longer to kill with chlorophyte gear (and other 3-souls gear) than other mechs with early-hardmode stuff. To compensate, he should be made a bit more harder.
distant gyro
Isn't that already done
ashen warren
I bet a lot of it has to do with the kill-all-his-arms mechanic
distant gyro
ashen warren
/\
I always find Destroyer to be harder than Prime tho, I must just be bad at video games
sand umbra
wanting to make Prime harder
let's not
Prime is already an absolute shitshow for half the fight (the half where he has his hands) and a drag for the other half, if you want my honest opinion
frosty dagger
(in my opinion) prime is one of the biggest difficulty spikes
left crest
just flat out reduce head health
as someone who had a lot of trouble with rev prime that wouldn't change the fight's difficulty that much but it'd make the fight not last till sunrise every time
distant gyro
imo reducing speed is an easier nerf to execute for all regards
sand umbra
I don't think reducing speed helps with Prime taking five years
distant gyro
reducing health only makes a fight shorter
it sure does affect your aim
I think you forget that
sand umbra
I don't forget that
distant gyro
homing options are like crutch for prime but by the time you pull your homing card you already deal too little damage
sand umbra
back when I did Death nohits with meme rippers
Relic of Ruin took me like 2 fucking minutes on the head alone if I remember rightly
distant gyro
glares at 400 dps megashark compared to 1.5k from shotbow
sand umbra
and that was with me popping Adrenaline...what, 3 times
I shudder to consider how long it'd take me without rippers at all
and Relic of Ruin is one of the better options for Prime by a quite notable margin
distant gyro
I took 5 minutes ripperless prismalline, oldest and hardest variant of death mode prime reworked
sand umbra
5 minutes
distant gyro
had to note that that's the oldest and hardest variant
and homing pre-mech weapon
pretty much well deserved
gusty geode
Isn't the whole Skeletron style of boss meant to be really chaotic
sand umbra
...I'm tempted to go test a few things vs. Prime to get an idea of how long this fight lasts
should I 
distant gyro
how long the fight should last is 3 minutes
try
- a pre-mech gear fight
- a post-mech gear fight
- a post-mechs* gear fight
ashen warren
Should make BoC inmune to KnockBack?
distant gyro
*being accounted for altmechs meme
sand umbra
so Relic of Ruin, Relic of Ruin, and Relic of Ruin
because I don't know anything else consistent enough to deal with Prime
ashen warren
Should make BoC inmune to KnockBack?
radiant meadow
no
hallow hatch
Winters fury consistent with prime
radiant meadow
boc doesn't need to be more annoying than it already is
hollow shell
Just a heads up, another star req vote is gonna happen soon
Over half of all suggestions posted are getting delivered (at least throughout the month of January it was that way) so we're voting to raise it up from 90, to 120
safe sail
bruh
ashen warren
⭐
shell lynx
With more members, it makes sense
zealous ridge
yeah i can see that
with 50k and rising, its gonna be easier and easier to reach that margin
void kelp
also bc suggestions have gotten much better
ashen warren
Rip
hollow shell
Yeah, the last raising was before the SIS ban.
A lot of SISs did get delivered, but they were definitely flooding the devs with garbage
void kelp
are the current suggestions flooding w garbage?
hearty yew
Here's what I want to say though
I congratulate the community on producing so many high quality suggestions that get delivered and that the devs agree with
No, I wouldn't say they are flooding with garbage, just that the volume is too high, and we want to single out the most popular, most approved ones
hollow shell
Nah, majority of the delivered suggestions are good
void kelp
ah
ashen warren
Will said recent suggestions that have already been delivered be ignored until the new req is met?
hollow shell
It's just that we get so many of them
hearty yew
Yeah that's my point. Almost everything we get is at least decent, and that's amazing
We have no shortage of good ideas to work with
void kelp
thanks ozz and rover!
ashen warren
👍
void kelp
So now you want to only isolate the best of the best
hollow shell
And nah, all previously delivered suggestions will stay delivered, and all suggestions posted prior to the raising will still only require 90 stars
hearty yew
It takes a lot of work to keep track of this many suggestions, lol
hollow shell
(that is, assuming the vote will be a success)
void kelp
since now we’ve narrowing the scope from “shitty suggestions banned” to “decent suggestions acceptable”
to, then, “the best suggestions seen for the sake of an easier workflow”
hearty yew
Honestly this is mostly just to scale with community size
void kelp
understandable tbh
hearty yew
The community was much smaller last time it was raised
And with the recent huge updates, activity has been higher than ever
void kelp
tons of new suggestions that aren’t rehashing old content
sand umbra
I'll definitely have to take a stroll through #suggestions-voting sometime and take a look at all the neat suggs that have come up as of late
always makes me happy to see ideas that are good/have been accepted
good source of inspiration when I don't know what I want to do, too
byeah, there have been a lot of really cool suggs lately
void kelp
I like seeing good suggestions
sand umbra
same
void kelp
as funny as <><><><><> is it’s also a pretty big example of why SIS are thankfully banned
sand umbra
<><><><><>
SDOMG is an upgrade of--
hollow shell
Hey hey, it's been a while!
Very many suggestions (over half of all posted during January) have been reaching the current delivery requirement of 90 stars. In order to make the devs less overwhelmed and allow them to focus more on the suggestions that get delivered, we are proposing that the star requirement be raised to 120.
Linked is a poll where you can vote on whether you think the star requirement should be kept at 90 stars, or if it should be raised to 120 stars.
(Note: All suggestions made prior to the official raising will still only require 90 stars. The voting period will end 48 hours from now, and (if successful) the raise will occur immediately after.)
karmic stone
o
sand umbra
literally god timing too
void kelp
god
ashen warren
let's see
hollow shell
(The exact suggestion status statistics for January can be found here: https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/672960997601837056)
void kelp
imagine if rover posted that immediately after your <><><>
ashen warren
queen delta
thats like 5 a day
void kelp
that’s really good
sand umbra
that's the highest I've ever seen that number
void kelp
do we have monthly statistics from the months before?
void kelp
we should graph it
ashen warren
2 people voted 90
gusty geode
Y'all remember when it was 35
hollow shell
Those were different days...
gusty grail
Imagine 35 now days
fervent zealot
the good ol days
sand umbra
...could I convince you to do 'em more often
fervent zealot
yeah, star system brought about better quality suggestions... for the most part
hollow shell
I'd rather not, they take time
sand umbra
pensive
fervent zealot
there were outliers, and many questionable suggestions, but most of those died when specific items died
void kelp
~~ u do it Tom~~
gusty grail
Raise the star amount to 500 so half the server has to vote
toxic kettle
What would happen in the event of a 50/50 vote
fervent zealot
now it's either a. decent suggestions or b. gets taken down for being against the rules
hollow shell
Just wanted to make that clear in there
radiant meadow
now that's not to say there are suggestions that make me question existence
but still follow the rules
hallow hatch
👌
radiant meadow
fervent zealot
well yes there are always outliers
sand umbra
fervent zealot
you can't wipe THEM out
void kelp
those are thankfully no longer the norm
fervent zealot
but specific item suggs, and with them, a blight of ><<><><><><, came and went
hollow shell
At the end of a 50/50 vote we would probably rule in favor of raising to 120
because the devs are in pretty much universal agreement that it should be raised
So far it seems like we won't need to worry about that
sand umbra
yeah, it's already lookin' like a pretty one-sided vote to me
fervent zealot
not surprising, really
void kelp
unless it ends up like the SIS vote which was clearly botted
radiant meadow
time to vote 90
sand umbra
yeah I was gonna say
hollow shell
Still got a whole 2 days for people to weigh in, though
and yeah the SIS vote was painfully close
sand umbra
unless this ends up being a repeat of the SIS ban vote we're looking at a star req increase
fervent zealot
nobody's gonna bot this vote though because nobody vehemently hates the raising of the star count
hollow shell
I think it was even slightly in favor of not banning them
sand umbra
personally, I enjoyed SIS suggs largely because they gave me a lot of inspiration when actually well done
......the issue is
they were almost never actually well done
fervent zealot
the amount of them that were not well done was too high to warrant their continued existance yeah
sand umbra
fervent zealot
for every one good sug, you had at least 5 <><><><><><>'s
sand umbra
what's funny is that now I have a lot of shit I'd love to try and push to main but SIS ban be like "fuk yuo"
and half the stuff that doesn't fall under that is the stuff I personally would prefer doing myself
radiant meadow
interesting how <> was literally one suggestion and it became the biggest formatting meme
fervent zealot
well yeah
hollow shell
It definitely made itself known
fervent zealot
it was one suggestion, with the absolute apex and total culmination of all that was wrong with specific item suggestions
it was the figurehead that burns even now for the crimes of all SISes
sand umbra
SDOMG was literally everything wrong with SIS suggs all at once
void kelp
same person also made a survey at the end of the suggestion iirc asking people to rate it from 1-10
tepid root
<><><><>
SDOMG is an upgrade of
void kelp
it’s also a lot easier to meme <><><> than it is to meme “haha Jojo reference”
sand umbra
specific name, specific stats, specific recipe, specific function, upgrade of an Expert+ item, unique ammunition never used anywhere else although that one's been warmed up to, thanks, Ice Barrage
void kelp
aaah
hollow shell
"warmed up to"
1. haha ice
2. it was a Patron item so...
hollow shell
Oh yeah if it had a really shitty sprite that was way too big that would be the icing on the cake
radiant meadow
the recolors were just fucking bruh
tepid root
plantation staff
void kelp
some folks like providab made good sprites
fervent zealot
i went and dug it up actually
void kelp
some folks made shitty sprites
sand umbra
Providab made some good shit
void kelp
FEAR
radiant meadow
ye, providab at least put some efforts in his sprites
hollow shell
mhm
fervent zealot
yeah it was more than a page long too.
sand umbra
and his SIS suggs were generally actually pretty well thought out
fervent zealot
the sprites made people vote for things more
sand umbra
in fact I'm pretty sure Plantation Staff (Plantation Staff) was one of them
radiant meadow
I basically implemented plantation staff the best I could word for word
sand umbra
void kelp
Leon’s SIsugmas were also summon items
hallow kraken
kindle staff meme
swift bison
hot take: specific item suggs are still allowed
sand umbra
spark spreader 2: return of the summons
void kelp
tepid root
calamity #suggestions-voting is a p2w channel
raven sierra
void kelp
good suggestion btw
hollow shell
Something of that variety/intention has been suggested before and iirc Fab said that it wasn't a big enough problem to warrant fixing
which I personally disagree with
radiant meadow
suggestion originated items that I did that aren't patron items cough cosmic shiv cough I didn't even do that anyways
seeking scorcher, black hawk, plantation staff, sirius, and spark spreader I think
sand umbra
nerf #suggestions-voting
so it isn't pay2win and I can use my hard-earned reputation points to buy an item
insert star reaction here
hallow kraken
This suggestion is so good for summoners
void kelp
flag
hollow shell
(it's funny that all those reactions could actually be on one suggestion normally.)
tepid root
hallow kraken
quick someone add a ❕
hollow shell
nah
void kelp
no bc it wouldn’t be valid
radiant meadow
that's the point Rover
raven sierra
❕
karmic stone
🏁 next to ❕ e
swift bison
If the star limit for suggestions is going to get raised to 120, i think a bot should be developed to automatically send those suggestions to the dev server
radiant meadow
Amber is thing
hollow shell
Amber's developing the bot to do so
radiant meadow
doing
hollow shell
yeah
radiant meadow
perhaps
swift bison
as it can take a long time for suggestions to reach 120 stars
radiant meadow
eventually
hollow shell
though she's currently on hiatus from that for a moment
radiant meadow
sand umbra
void kelp
that’s valid
hollow shell
also you say that, Seraph
but Ozza's from yesterday has 120
and GameR's also from yesterday has 113
sand umbra
my Bat Hook sugg has only 97 pensive
void kelp
I think it’ll get there sooner than you think
teal ibex
thomas don't you dare steal my fake suggestion gag
sand umbra
and a good chunk of other suggs I follow gain that speed as well
teal ibex
just because everybody destroyed your quirky bit doesn't mean you get to take mine down with it 
🔪
sand umbra
u wot
void kelp
fight fight fight fight
sand umbra
I have already been robbed of my fun
hallow kraken
we should enforce the 120 star rule as soon as someone’s sug gets 90 stars unless it’s mine
ashen warren
Profaned Soul Artifact bug has been fixed?
ashen warren
hallow kraken
no don’t
sand umbra
too late, we're fighting
it's happening
(maybe)
((eventually))
(((probably)))
teal ibex
ban thomas
haha i win
hallow kraken
thomas no
ashen warren
now Fabsol comes and he ban us
hallow kraken
Hectique what have you done
void kelp
hec and thomas fighting be like “you sock!!!!” “I’m going to ban you!!” “i win”
hallow kraken
alright we can unkill thomas
distant gyro
quick ice
personally, I feel like 120 ⭐s is a bit to high
distant gyro
please vote for star raise I don't want to send 30 sugs a week 
sand umbra
and that bug was fixing Mech projectiles being classed as ranged and magic internally as I lamented for like 15 minutes on in #other-mod-talk, Ben
distant gyro
yes that is the rate that we are in right now
radiant meadow
so instead of making an armor to give testers an aneurysm over a small patch, time to fix more bugs and look at suggestions
fervent zealot
i mean, there have been times people felt 35 stars was too high
fervent zealot
some people always think the current star count is too high
sand umbra
yep
radiant meadow
boulders deal ranged damage
distant gyro
that is indeed a fact
sand umbra
basically all of the mech projectiles are magic
quick ice
I mean, 100 would be fine imo
sand umbra
with a few ranged exceptions
distant gyro
trust me when I say 120 is good
fervent zealot
100 doesn't really change much though
distant gyro
I was going to say 150
fervent zealot
if it reached 90, it's gonna reach 100
distant gyro
but that's overkill
fervent zealot
why not 135 so the cycle can begin anew?
void kelp
150 is a straight up 66% increase
radiant meadow
135 would be good meme
void kelp
120 is a 33% increase but 135 would be meme
quick ice
I just checked, only 3 of the Suggestions from between Now and Last Friday are in the 120 ⭐s range
void kelp
alternatively bump it up to 152 so we can raise the suggestion threshold by 69%
void kelp
ye kran that’s why devs wanna increase the star count so more good suggestions get in
radiant meadow
why star it if you don't have to
void kelp
er rather, less suggestions to overload devs
quick ice
but most of the suggestions getting to 90-100 stars are good
void kelp
which is pretty sick
quick ice
yes
void kelp
which means the suggestions that Ben doesn’t implement are actually labeled as “someone that isn’t ben will work on this”
quick ice
also, another thing to notice is that a reason there may be some more suggestions than before is because there was a large update recently
radiant meadow
we also need to take in mind people's sanity in delivering suggestions though
quick ice
there's been 19 Suggestions delivered in the past 5-6 days as of my count
is that really to many?
versed mica
Yes
I mean it depends
But that does seem like an absurd amount to properly be considered by devs
queen delta
Yeah it kinda is a lot
distant gyro
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/676290616392548392 here are 20 of them a few days ago
12 thumbsup
4 flagged
4 no opinions
queen delta
Notice how many are approved rather than implemented
quick ice
I missed Chorizos
distant gyro
12 more coming
quick ice
Here's my count of all 20 of those suggestions
4 are 120 Stars
9 are 110 Stars
16 are 100 Stars
19 are 90 Stars
this is from between now and Chorizos accepted suggestion/Friday afternoon (for my time)
with this information in mind, I'd say that 110 is a bit more reasonable considering over double the suggestions are accepted than how many there were with 120 Stars, while not going above 10 Suggestions sent
distant gyro
Recently Delivered Suggestions
1 🚫 (@tulip parcel) https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/676426314064068648
2 👍 (@ashen warren) https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/675828201515253781
3 (@potent veldt) https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/675793480307572758
4 👍 (@potent veldt) https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/675776653309378582
5 🚫 (@waxen pike) https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/675714252245303316
6 👍 (@tepid root) https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/675571635084066826
7 🚫 (@royal yoke) https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/675541770808852499
8 (@potent veldt)
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/675493585784668161
9 🏁 (@swift bison) https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/675475344429678616
10 👍 (@swift bison) https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/675471138855583774
11 🏁 (@sand umbra) https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/676221476919312386
12 👍 (@potent veldt) https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/675876662671441930
radiant meadow
you're failing to take into account that the further it gets from 90, the less people will want to star it
after it already hits 90
tepid root
yey my sugg got approved
radiant meadow
since that's the current quota
ashen warren
Woo. So did mine!
sand umbra
rookie numbers
ashen warren
X3
sand umbra
ya boi got late-game rarity colors normalized
quick ice
I guess so, but people also ⭐ suggestions less the higher it goes up into the #suggestions-voting log
sand umbra
radiant meadow
time to make several items rainbow
distant gyro
quick ice
since there's been so many suggestions, they're getting pushed up faster and people don't want to scroll up that far
radiant meadow
I think we could use some rainbow rarity auric ore
tulip parcel
if the item names aren't as rainbow as a pride parade you've done something wrong
distant gyro
rainbow names pride
tulip parcel
worldwide
sand umbra
y'all sock
tepid root
wulfrum needs rainbow rarity its kinda really important
quick ice
yes
teal ibex
i think at the end of the day if 120 is too much it's not a huge deal. we can just lower it and nothing's stopping peeps from resending after some time
i also think it's a bit high personally but i'd rather 120 than 90
hollow shell
Nah I'd rather we not lower it after raising it
tulip parcel
does the aureus spawn count as a slime
hollow shell
The stars will eventually catch up
tulip parcel
tulip parcel
it looks like a slime but it doesn't really behave like one at all
teal ibex
i don't disagree with any of that, i'm just saying that if 120 is too high there's always room to fix things
swift bison
May i ask what the new celestus recipe is?
tulip parcel
see I was thinking of pitching a slime staff upgrade post-aureus but it was a bit of a stretch, and I wasn't sure if they were really slimes or not
radiant meadow
borealis bomber?
radiant meadow
replaced shattered sun and phantasmal ruin with alpha virus and enchanted axe @swift bison
tulip parcel
see this is why you gotta talk out suggestions here first
otherwise you run the risk of suggesting osmething that was already there, lol
quick ice
usually I try and do that, than nobody actually critiques the suggestion
tulip parcel
okay what weapons that summon slimes are there currently
radiant meadow
corro and crimslime staffs
tulip parcel
The ones I know of are the vanilla slime staff, the evil staves
yeah those
and now the borealis bomber
are there any others?
radiant meadow
I mean borealis bomber acts extremely different
tulip parcel
it does, but it's still -teeechnically- a slime
quick ice
yeah, rolling it in with those slime staffs doesn't really make sense
from a technical standpoint at least
tulip parcel
besides the idea I'm kind of thinking towards that doesn't matter
what are the slimes that act the weirdest in calamity
radiant meadow
do we need a slime staff upgrade?
tulip parcel
there's already the aureus bomber
radiant meadow
slime ai is kinda limiting
tulip parcel
nono
I have something else in mind
hence why I'm asking what weird slimes there are in this mod
radiant meadow
well, aureus spawns being slimes is an extreme stretch
basic rule of thumb is slime ai = slime
or if it's called and looks like a slime like aero slime
which uses bat AI
tulip parcel
see my idea was to take the herring staff and apply it to slimes, except it's lumping up to four slimes together into a single minion
so you get "whole" slime amalgams at even slots
maybe that's too many hoops to jump through
yeah it kind of sounds like it is
but I like the idea of a staff that summons hordes of slimes with hopefully non-slime AI
because slime AI is not a good minion ai
loud steeple
Actually expanding a bit on vorbises idea what if say you had 4 minions out but when you summon a 5th one they all "combine" into one bigger stronger minion?
polar dock
radiant meadow
also make sure you don't tread the line of SIS territory
tulip parcel
The idea of it is just to be like... wait, SIS?
quick ice
SIS?
radiant meadow
specific item suggestion
loud steeple
Sis?
quick ice
gotcha
loud steeple
Never seen it abbreviated before
radiant meadow
you also don't want to detail really into a name, stats, or function
you can say upgraded corro/crimslime staff
but you can't say upgraded thingy that does this, this, and this
radiant meadow
might want to look over the Suggestion Don'ts doc then
quick ice
the Suggestion Don'ts doc hasn't gotten any significant changes in the past 5-6 months as far as I know
queen delta
As the mod and this server gets more popular, we need to be more stricter with suggestions otherwise we get a huge load of "junk" suggestions
tulip parcel
Yeah the last time I was actually active here was 2018
quick ice
ah, alright
tulip parcel
I've popped in a few times since then
but I've never done more than just like, read changelogs
since 2018
so a lot of these rules surrounding suggestions are new to me
radiant meadow
a good majority of any implemented suggestion items are either patron items or made by a dev cough clam crusher and godspawn helix cough
others were of extreme minority
void kelp
plantation staff
radiant meadow
especially compared to the amount sent
tulip parcel
that much hasn't changed
split narwhal
Wait, are you the donor for dark spark?
radiant meadow
plantation staff is part of the extreme minority
tulip parcel
Yes, I am
radiant meadow
it got to the point where we decided to close off specific item suggestions
split narwhal
Why do you not have a donator role then?
tulip parcel
donor roles weren't a thing either back when I was
split narwhal
interesting
tulip parcel
I've debated resuming under a pseudonym so I can get one more item in but it'd be fiscally irresponsible of me
Money's tight as it is
radiant meadow
please no
radiant meadow
if we catch you, dark spark will have to be removed
tulip parcel
And it'd be wrong to do
radiant meadow
ye
radiant meadow
and you'll get a money refund
tulip parcel
the only real complaint I have is that dark spark is so damn niche
it's the weapon to kill dog and as soon as you do you throw it in the trash
radiant meadow
that's how a majority of patron weapons are
split narwhal
You can say that to alot of weapons
radiant meadow
tulip parcel
that way you get multiple weapons and armor
quick ice
oh wait, Vorbis is the one who donated for the Dark Spark?
split narwhal
Relocator gang
tulip parcel
"Vorbore, when you mine it you die"
what a Fun and Interesting addition
/s
but yeah that's me
I even have one of fabsol's dev gifs of it to prove it
sand umbra
what's funny to me is that my item isn't even in the game yet
yet because of recent updates especially it's already become largely irrelevant
radiant meadow
quick ice
if I wasn't broke, I'd probably donate for an enemy if those are allowed
tulip parcel
you can probably donate for anything
except for an ore because now that I've mentione dit they'll ban it
tulip parcel
I mean
radiant meadow
like fearless goldfish warrior
split narwhal
If I were to donate, I would probably do it for an accessory
radiant meadow
nothing complex though
sand umbra
it's possible
tulip parcel
if you donate for an accessory
do it for a throwing accessory
not rogue, throwing
that way you annoy everyone
tepid root
can you donate for yharim boss
split narwhal
actually donate for exo javelin
tulip parcel
You know what there's a real lack of
Repeaters
Bows usurp their function becoming all autofire and spammy
but I like repeaters
quick ice
slimes
split narwhal
balance
radiant meadow
reminder that we can deny an item for any reason
the existence of throwing being one of them
sand umbra
tulip parcel
actually
if I could redo my donor item
I'd do a lunic eye upgrade for PML and dub it the Lunatic Eye
and have it be a huge 2hu reference
not that the dark spark isn't already a huge 2hu reference
but hey, it'd be a classless weapon which is always relevant
split narwhal
Not really, not much people use them
split narwhal
What about every other class?
tulip parcel
it's not really about every other class, it's mostly about summoners
though I know early on a lot of classes in hardmode use the lunic eye
since it's very easy to get and better than other options they have
split narwhal
Then why did you say always relevant?
tulip parcel
because summoners always use them
split narwhal
Besides, ichor/cursed inferno is a thing
split narwhal
Just use an everglade spray for ichor for 15 secs of ichor at little cost, and probably better damage
split narwhal
ye, offtopic really
tulip parcel
I was going to suggest a corruption equivalent to the golden gun
but I feel like that's ground already tread
radiant meadow
I think you'll live until post plant without golden gun in corruption worlds
split narwhal
Besides, basically everyone likes ichor more than inferno
sand umbra
also a Corruption equivalent to the Golden Gun wouldn't really do much
tulip parcel
yeah but for all the effort calamity goes to to give them equal chances towards the other evil''s stuff
tulip parcel
it seems like a strange lapse to not include that
sand umbra
well I mean if you wanna go that route
where's the Corruption Ichor Spear and the Crimson Cursed Dagger
I'll go back to fighting with myself over my item now
sand umbra
radiant meadow
it'll be a ☑️
tulip parcel
you know what you could do
and I think I might actually suggest this
change the golden gun a bit so instead of being connected to the crimson it's connected to the astral infection
split narwhal
Idea:Cursed dagger but better
tulip parcel
maybe refluff it a bit but otherwise functionally the same
sand umbra
Cursed Dagger but it inflicts a debuff that does something that isn't done better by something else at the same tier
split narwhal
Cursed dagger but it inflicts ichor instead
tulip parcel
gonna get my donor item changed in functionality
it still looks the same but it's just a cursed dagger
you did this
sand umbra
radiant meadow
god
sand umbra
Supreme Cursed Dagger Prime of Gods
split narwhal
Uncursed dagger
tulip parcel
why doesn't the cursed dagger swear every time you use it
it's a dagger of curses
why doesn't it scream obscenity when I stab my guide with it
split narwhal
This is really really offtopic now
tulip parcel
new suggestion: give the cursed dagger to sofcore characters in normal mode worlds
sand umbra
26 - Cursed Dagger now has a 1/1000 chance to yell FUCK whenever you throw it. - Done
tulip parcel
kind of a shame honestly that of all the major regions on the map
corruption/crimson drop off completely in relevance to an area occupied by underground depth 1 once you hit mid-late hardmode
you know, the dirt layer
split narwhal
The most relevant biome is currently the jungle, considering the lore
tulip parcel
which, I mean the evils can -destroy- the jungle
you figure that would mean they're a bit more relevant than they are
solemn flame
Op dragon, plant, lizard rokk, toxic bee, regular bee, who else?
solemn flame
Oh yeah
split narwhal
Queen bee, plantera, golem, pbg, bumblebirb, yharon
tulip parcel
and yharim whenever he comes out will make eight
distant gyro
bee, plant, rock, bee2, birb, derg yes
tulip parcel
yeah but he's -FROM- the jungle
solemn flame
Op dragon, plant, lizard rokk, toxic bee, regular bee, and bumble fuck.
radiant meadow
he might not require it to spawn though
distant gyro
(that being said, yharim would fit the temple though)
tulip parcel
Astrum Deus doesn't require astral infection the first time you summon him
yet he's an astral infection boss
tulip parcel
so does that mean that yharim is a lihzard
split narwhal
Astrum deus does need infection
tulip parcel
correction
on successive summons after his death he needs infection
the first time, no
split narwhal
You need to kill 3 atlases, no?
radiant meadow
mind if I scoot y'all to #calamity-mod-talk since this has gone away from suggestions for far too long at this point
tulip parcel
nah it's fine I'll get it back on track
what I wanted to say was
should the world evil be made relevant post moon lord in some way
since it's woefully underused as of now
solemn flame
Hmm.... Maybe buff the infections
radiant meadow
made relevant how?
tulip parcel
well
solemn flame
I guess be more used post ml
tulip parcel
it recieves... hang on let me double check
okay
it recieves absolutely no change whatsoever upon reaching pml and is effectively the same
yet the second hallow reaches pml, it gets a ton of new content
and also becomes much more dangerous
solemn flame
What I'd think, add minibosses that spread the disease tremendously
split narwhal
Crimson/corruption drops off once you get through the mech bosses really
sand umbra
profaned memes are not hallowed content
solemn flame
sand umbra
everything that applies to the Hallow post-ML also applies to Hell
solemn flame
And hell
tulip parcel
well yeah but
solemn flame
Beat me to it-
tulip parcel
that still doesn't include the world evil
and hallow was meant to be like, the opposing force to the world evil more or less
sand umbra
a shame that died from the second it started
and is now being brought to life by yours truly
tulip parcel
how I would do it
or how I think it could be done best
is not by making the world evil even more aggressive
solemn flame
I think it should have a Terraria overworld kinda feel, once post ml, the corruption/crimson spreads rapidly, and when the biome reaches you, add a few damaging debuffs to kill you and your town npcs
tulip parcel
but by it realizing collectively that the Terrarian is the biggest threat to its existence and thust becoming as hostile to it as possible
solemn flame
But you have to keep the corruption/crimson back
tulip parcel
ceasing its spread entirely but also making it extremely dangerous to enter
In effect the evil becomes "smarter" post moon lord
trying to unify itself to kill the terrarian
solemn flame
That's also good, but in dmode or something it spreads rapidly?
versed mica
So many people hate spreading biomes, which is why Astral doesn’t
tulip parcel
also yes that
split narwhal
Spreading it rapidly won't be good for your jungle
tulip parcel
that's also part of why I say "stay the fuck put"
solemn flame
Then it'd grow to the other crimson/corruption part of the world to gain mass, and it spreads in the caverns
solemn flame
versed mica
No spread
tulip parcel
what I'm saying is that it tries to become as hostile as possible so the terrarian dies
solemn flame
That would be good
tulip parcel
making it kind of like post-golem dungeon
solemn flame
Imo
split narwhal
But we don't want the pumpkin moon/frost moon situation either
tulip parcel
what, that it just "becomes stronger"?
split narwhal
ye
tulip parcel
the idea is that it's a change in behavior to adapt to the terrarian rather than just "everything hurts more"
new enemies with different AI, more painful thorns to replace the old ones
maybe blazing/oozing ores that generate in corrupted/crimson ground to justify going there
also across the board the enemies have to be much more frightening in their niche
corruption is all about rot and death, so have enemies decayed almost to the bone and with a lot more tentacles and eyes
crimson is about blood and violence, so have enemies that are constantly bleeding and having teeth where there shouldn't be teeth
in effect the designs of both should crank up to 11 in an effort to be more dangerous and impassable
and the rewards for tresspassing regardless should be enough to take you through providence comfortably
tulip parcel
it wouldn't really take an -immense- amount of time
radiant meadow
that post seems to get thrown around a lot
tulip parcel
hardmode increases spread aggression
which means there's a variable controlling it that can be turned off
sand umbra
...I feel like people throw that post around
without actually knowing quite what it means in its context
tulip parcel
ore generation is something that the devs already know how to do and do multiple times
replacing what spawns isn't difficult either
that post would be appropriate if I were, for instance, saying "Make a 100% new biome with its own enemies, mechanics, loot and bosses"
radiant meadow
so it should be ctrl c ctrl v
tulip parcel
Also it's even done in specific regions as well
sand umbra
it's a very simple process, ye
radiant meadow
but watch me crash Terraria regardless
sand umbra
Uelibloom only spawning in mud
split narwhal
Okay, there should also be a way to restrict Clentaminator then, cause no spread meaning you could destroy the entire biome
radiant meadow
cryonic ore only spawns in snow, astral snow, ice, pink ice, purple ice, red ice, or astral ice
sand umbra
byeah, I'm not a fan of how much that post about grand scope ideas gets thrown around
with what feels like no or at most very little regard for what it actually refers to
tulip parcel
ben you're a dev
radiant meadow
that is true
tulip parcel
do you think that improving the corruption/crimson in the way I said is immense and unreasonable
just adding new enemies, stopping spread and generating ores in evil dirt/evil stone
radiant meadow
uhhh
distant gyro
it does take some spritework to make new enemies
sand umbra
well yes
distant gyro
not to mention what drops? what AI? what??
radiant meadow
generating ores requires tile sheets
and sprites for bars and weapons
and ideas for said weapons
tulip parcel
yeah, that is true
sand umbra
I can provide at least one of these
radiant meadow
and do we need the weapons?
there's already the elemental set among various other weapons
ignoring summoner stuck with axes at the moment
sand umbra
right after ML is arguably where post-ML content is in its best state, if you want my opinion
radiant meadow
post prov is in pretty good shape too
sand umbra
and while I do feel there could definitely be more, there are
radiant meadow
except summoner still stuck with axes
tulip parcel
"Is this sort of change immense and unreasonable to do" rather than "is this change worht making"
the answer to the latter is no without some serious thinking
radiant meadow
post moon lord summoner is a really nice meme except for post polter pre doggo
sand umbra
...well, there are other places
that require the attention much more
post-ML summoner is a good fucking meme
sand umbra
Axes for literally half the rest of the game be like
tulip parcel
do you have any changes to the evils planned
radiant meadow
no afaik
radiant meadow
there's acid rain, draedon, and eventually yharim, goozma, and xeroc
ashen warren
imo early hardmode is the best part of Calamity
radiant meadow
and other stuff sprinkled in between like calamitas getting real drops
radiant meadow
perhaps? idk 
sand umbra
brunga
split narwhal
What about eclipse