suggestions-discussion

[radiant meadow]

@leaden karma your opinion?

[leaden karma]

Huh?

Oh, yeah, don't see why not

[radiant meadow]

Alright, then I may add it when I get home

[round falcon]

so i havent touched calamity in a while and i read up on the wiki and apparently the weather effects continue to be active while a boss is alive, so i guess now would be a good time to suggest config options to disable weather effects in DM?

alternatively maybe Warmth grants immunity to Freezing Lungs and freezing to death un the snow biome

[opal barn]

You mean disable the one thing thatt makes DM unique

[keen geyser]

^

[round falcon]

pretty much tbh

[keen geyser]

then just play rev

death is just rev with more environmental hazards

tbh

[round falcon]

if i wanted environmental hazards i'd play maso instead tbh

[keen geyser]

again

just play rev

[round falcon]

alright

[toxic kettle]

don't warmth potions already give immunity to that

[round falcon]

i didn't see that on the pages i looked at

which were the events page, vanilla changes, and the death mode page

[toxic kettle]

and from what I've heard the environmental hazards like Lightnings or Lava geysers in the Underworld are disabled during boss fights 🤔

imagine trying to juke WoF's lasers and just getting sniped by a geyser

[round falcon]

you can still freeze to death during cryo from what i read

[distant gyro]

if you don't have campfires in the snow by cryogen you're kinda doing something wrong though

[round falcon]

but it would still be nice if you could manage to get a warmth pot for when you forget your cold resistance ten tiers up

[keen geyser]

i mean

[round falcon]

though by then i assume resistances are a blur

[keen geyser]

you want a warmth pot for cryogen anyways

[toxic kettle]

^

[round falcon]

thats the point of me suggesting adding on these effects tbh

[keen geyser]

what

[round falcon]

nifty little bonus for actually playing the game right

[keen geyser]

"playing the game right"

Terraria: Is a sandbox game

[round falcon]

clearly i've gone the wrong way with the two viable weapons for each clads except summoner joke

i'll leave before i get myself warned then

[ashen warren]

visible confusion

[keen geyser]

ikr

I have no idea what this was all about

[tulip parcel]

Uhhh

Should I get a hold of someone to send my suggestion along

it's at 90 stars but still not sent

[ashen warren]

When did you post it?

[distant gyro]

no

[tulip parcel]

about 24 hours ago, little more than that

this one

[ashen warren]

It will probably get sent in the next wave

[tulip parcel]

wave?

[ashen warren]

Yea, Rover sends suggs in waves, Idk how often, but he did send a wave some time yesterday or the day before

[tulip parcel]

I see

[distant gyro]

I sent the sug wave a few days before

@tulip parcel sent

you're now blessed with ✅

[tulip parcel]

many thanks

I was thinking of another idea but it's a bit more memey

Anyone here know who Wan Hu is

[distant gyro]

(and yes I'm sending those up there too just taking some screenshots )

[tulip parcel]

He was a chinese magistrate in 2000 BC who decided that he wanted to go to the moon one day

So he strapped some fireworks to a chair, sat in it, and had servants light the rockets for him

When the smoke cleared neither he nor the chair were ever found, and everyone assumed he made it to the moon

sounds like a fun idea for a mount imo, "Throne of Wan Hu", kind of the opposite of the Fabsol mount - Like, it can barely go left or right at all, but it has insane vertical acceleration and top speed

[radiant meadow]

Please remember that suggestion delivery is not automated. Be patient. We are not robots. Delivery will happen in time.

[radiant meadow]

I'm starting to get tired of the why is my suggestion not delivered remarks

[distant gyro]

I'm getting less lazy at sending them but I'm still really slow at finding each and every single discord link + suggestor's name and discord tag to use it as feedback reference

also making tags are pretty hard wtf

[radiant meadow]

I stopped delivery because I hate going back to add approvals

It was way easier before the voting system

[ashen warren]

That would be a no

[tulip parcel]

I was around here when suggestions took 50 stars and you -did- have to remind people to do it

It wasn't always that way you know, sending them in waves

[hearty yew]

@tidal bough @leaden karma Pack in Magnomaly Cannon, you OK with that?

Since that's up to you, not the devs

[leaden karma]

ye

[hearty yew]

Magnomaly Cannon is the recently released exo rocket launcher

[leaden karma]

it just means people have to make the pack now if they want that cannon

[hearty yew]

Ok.

[leaden karma]

byeah, im fine with it

[hearty yew]

Will do then

I always ask before putting any patreon item in anything

[leaden karma]

[distant gyro]

[karmic stone]

Is it necessary for Auric Ore to be a "challenge" to obtain

[toxic kettle]

you already need like 10 ore for one bar

[karmic stone]

Bear in mind by the time you're supposed to obtain Auric Ore you've already beaten the final boss

[hollow shell]

@tidal bough Add a reason to your suggestion

[wide tide]

At least spacing it out a bit would be good not necessarily mess with the crafting recipe of any of the items.

[queen sail]

Auric Ore is the endgame ore so it should be rare to obtain

Okay but

The recipe

Hello

[distant gyro]

20 ores in a recipe

[queen sail]

And sure it’s asking for minimal amounts but

This is a lot

[sand umbra]

I mean, even if you disregard the fact that Auric Ore veins are outright enormous

the bigger issue is that by the time Auric Ore spawns...nothing while mining poses a threat to you

[hollow shell]

I'd be more supportive if yeah
there was some kind of underground threat

[queen sail]

Only thing is

What poses a threat to gear built to kill a dragon

[sand umbra]

the buffed events

[hollow shell]

You see the huge vein and you're like "Oh fuck yeah"
then you start to mine it and an Auric Knight appears out of nowhere and says "STOP. YOU'VE VIOLATED THE LAW."

[sand umbra]

pffffft

[queen sail]

Eeeeeeeee don’t remind me of 700 damage pumpkings

[sand umbra]

500 damage Mourning Wood spawncamp moments

[queen sail]

Honestly

Can’t we revamp some frost/pumpkin moon enemies

[ashen warren]

auric ore but every time you break one ore, yharim boss spawns

[queen sail]

Instead of “here’s the entire event but your armor feels worthless”

[green pumice]

why does auric ore need to be rare

[sand umbra]

if Fargo's is installed and Maso is enabled it's Mutant Boss instead

[green pumice]

[sand umbra]

[toxic kettle]

buffed Frost/Pumpkin moon aka touching anything takes half your health, here have 50 enemies at once

While also boosting the spawn rates for regular enemies

[sand umbra]

[queen sail]

Is it possible to replace the regular moon event enemy spawns and replace them with new enemies without causing a universal collapse

[hollow shell]

Replace? Prolly not
We could add new enemies pretty easily tho

[wide tide]

Rover, that'd be great as well!

[hollow shell]

(The Auric Ore thing or the Moon thing?)

[wide tide]

Moon thing

[hollow shell]

ah

[void kelp]

there could be a ton of interesting concepts to execute

[hollow idol]

Ice Empress and Pumperor are planned

[ashen warren]

Will that mean no more 500 damage moons?

[mystic cloak]

I personally can't agree w/ the stress bar suggestion

There's a reason why it was removed, and you're asking for said exact reason to be put back in again.

It didn't really offer anything beneficial or interesting, and thats why they swapped it out for the double bars (rage & adrenaline)

[hollow idol]

Except they are asking for it to be different and only the name is similar still not in support

[mystic cloak]

reaching max stress = instadeath

[green pumice]

stress is bruh

[mystic cloak]

Still same concept as old stress

Also "Second life"

[hollow idol]

Old stress didnt instagib you iirc

[mystic cloak]

Well it did kill you hella fast or made you extremely weak if I remember correctly

if you capped it out

[subtle oracle]

Oh yeah, I forgot that feature existed, good thing it was removed.

[mystic cloak]

His suggestion just is meh

Getting hit to make a mechanic worth using is

[green pumice]

anyways, no one wants this, and its not approved by a mod anyway so :h:

[hollow idol]

Rage

[ashen warren]

^^^

[mystic cloak]

Rage still has alternate means of being obtained

[ashen warren]

True but they are rarely used

[subtle oracle]

Like getting hit

[mystic cloak]

They're still there

🤷

Rage is still potato energy though lol

Rage is more meant for melee players if anything

[sand umbra]

Rage also just got mildly buffed; it no longer dies on hit while you're using it

[ashen warren]

True melee

[mystic cloak]

that is also very nice

I just think the whole stress bar idea doesn't belong anymore

and it didn't really to begin with

Hell rage is still a bit weird in a sense that it took the "get hit get fit" mechanic

[carmine island]

I find it wack that rage has a much weaker boost than adrenaline considering how much harder it is to build for 4 of the classes

[mystic cloak]

but to add another bar would be redundant

literally just heart of darkness/draedon heart

[sand umbra]

I don't like the idea of adding a third ripper bar

[hollow idol]

that would be strong for nohits senate

[mystic cloak]

and Melee (mainly true melee) is the only one really meant to get it

[ashen warren]

Why spend rage when I could keep Heart Attack

[sand umbra]

it's enough of a headache for me to balance against two of them

[mystic cloak]

And yeah ripper bars are meant to be rewards for being either too stupid to dodge or being really good at dodging

To add a third?

Too much of a chore

[sand umbra]

I think I'd go mad if I had to also balance against a third ripper bar

[mystic cloak]

^^

Plus the autobuff shit

imagine trying to test stuff for suggestions

[sand umbra]

given the headaches the existing two already give me

[mystic cloak]

but you end up getting ripper buffs and it ruins the run

so you gotta "kys" and then restart the fight

[ashen warren]

I guess you could say it’d RIP your sanity apart

[sand umbra]

yes

[green pumice]

[mystic cloak]

Imagine that shit happening whilst we were testing the flarewing bow on cryo

[sand umbra]

yes it would

[mystic cloak]

I would lose my shit

[sand umbra]

and I'm proud of you for that pun

[mystic cloak]

Also fucks sake 😂

[ashen warren]

Thank you Thomas

I tried

[mystic cloak]

But yeah, at the end of the day, more ripper bars are a no go imo

[hollow idol]

Its a new mechanic anyways

which is basically an insta rejected

[ashen warren]

I don’t entirely understand the sugg anyway so I can’t really say yes

[carmine island]

Oooh, new sugg about bosses and their biomes

[mystic cloak]

Besides with the new changes, we already have enough death to go around

Ehhh.

Ehh....

Personally I'm against it

they're made to be fought in their biomes

Brain of Cthulhu doesn't even get that 90% damage treatment shit

And most bosses also enrage as examples

[carmine island]

I think it comes from being forced to go up while fighting bosses like prov and hive mind and being unable to attack them

[hollow idol]

Hive can be killed outside but not perf

[green pumice]

you're just stalling the fight

whats the point

[mystic cloak]

Yeah that's true

[ashen warren]

I think he’s more talking about when a cyst boss spawns and you leave the biome because you didn’t wanna fight it it just follows you and it unkillable

[mystic cloak]

Hive CAN be killed outside of biome

[agile cloud]

Most bosses CAN be

[sand umbra]

Provi's enrage is really annoying for Hallow especially

[mystic cloak]

^^^

[carmine island]

My mistake on that, mixed hive and perf

[agile cloud]

but they arent practical

[sand umbra]

I'd honestly really prefer if her Hallow enrage was made into heightened damage reduction rather than just total invulnerability

[agile cloud]

fight provi in hell, then kill provi in hallow post DoG

[sand umbra]

creating a suitable Hallow arena for Provi is a nightmare because if you leave the Hallow, you're fucked

[carmine island]

Similar to the guardians but on a lesser scale

[agile cloud]

And if you disable biome spread like i do

my hallow is tiny

[mystic cloak]

Personally I'm against the whole "leave biome become invuln" thing

[hollow idol]

Solutions

[agile cloud]

yeah solutions work

[mystic cloak]

but with something like hive & perf I'd prefer it be biome locked

[carmine island]

Hallow out the big desert for more verticality os what I do

[mystic cloak]

but the ONLY exception is fuckin providence hallow

[agile cloud]

but i waste my money on reforges

xd

[mystic cloak]

dear god it hurts

[carmine island]

Hallow it out, figuratively and literally

[mystic cloak]

But then again yeah, hallow solution is an easy solution

[agile cloud]

They patched polter enraging with 1 non dungeon block

[hollow idol]

and the fact that Calam is balanced around itself to be able to be played on its own (aka no no biome spread mods)

[sand umbra]

that's not really much of a solution given how that doesn't give you more verticality

[agile cloud]

so realistically, boss invincibility could be taken away at some point

[carmine island]

Verticality downwards

[sand umbra]

also: Blue Solution can only be obtained if you have a physical Hallow

[agile cloud]

Yeah

[sand umbra]

the Steampunker will not sell the necessary solution otherwise

[agile cloud]

and that requires moving NPC's around

[mystic cloak]

That's another suggestion I was thinking about

solution crafting

[carmine island]

Buy the seeds and play the waiting game saves money. Plus it's faster with a desert

[hollow idol]

Heck, Brim, Cryo and Sig got their biome invincibility taken

[sand umbra]

(she needs to be in the Hallow to sell the Hallow's solution)

[agile cloud]

Crafting solutions is a good sugg

[mystic cloak]

Because they move around a fuck ton

and they can clip outside the biome easily with big beed boost

[sand umbra]

...huh

[mystic cloak]

probably same shit should be done for providence though

[agile cloud]

You could build an NPC prison

[sand umbra]

so Ms. Fruit Salad does sell the seeds without a physical Hallow

[mystic cloak]

And yeah I was talking about that earlier

[distant gyro]

Holy water ft. actuators

[mystic cloak]

Oh she does?

[agile cloud]

wait what

[mystic cloak]

Huh, curious

[agile cloud]

oh right, holy water

[hollow idol]

Provi can be hurt until the donuts spawn if not in the hallow iirc

[sand umbra]

time to correct that nonsense

[mystic cloak]

Holy water + water bucket = 250 solution?

kek

LOL

[agile cloud]

250 is excessive

25 - 50 at most

[mystic cloak]

Think about how much solution gets used within even a tiny chunk though

[green pumice]

provi is always vulnerable if not outside the respective biome

[mystic cloak]

And I never specified amount of holy water

[agile cloud]

true

[hollow idol]

Not in my experience

[sand umbra]

fun fact: despite not being ranged, Clentaminator is affected by ammo conservation bonuses

[agile cloud]

oh it is?

[mystic cloak]

We could jack up the holy water cost for the clenta

LOL really?

[carmine island]

Wait srsly?

[sand umbra]

ye

[mystic cloak]

That's actually kinda funny

[agile cloud]

lmao 100% ammo reduction = INFINITE HALLOW

[carmine island]

Bruh I need to get my ranger armor next time I do that

[mystic cloak]

But yeah like 250 holy water + water bucket = 250 solution?

or something

[agile cloud]

vortex armor has the most ammo reduction right?

[sand umbra]

so the next time you go to set up some new biomes

[agile cloud]

250 bottles maybe

[mystic cloak]

Oh yeah

[sand umbra]

take a few ammo conservation items with ya

[mystic cloak]

actually that makes more sense

[sand umbra]

it'll make the whole thing much less costly

[mystic cloak]

250 bottles + 250 holy water = 250 hallow solution

1:1 ratio?

[agile cloud]

doesnt stop clentam from costing 2 plat tho

[mystic cloak]

BIG OOF

[agile cloud]

maybe 1:0.5

[mystic cloak]

Eehhh

[agile cloud]

solution should require work to get

[mystic cloak]

but ratio-ing halves is a paaain

[sand umbra]

Clentaminator price tag makes me pensive

[hollow idol]

2 platinum in Calamity

[carmine island]

Remembers vanilla and their 25 silver solutions T-T

[agile cloud]

250:125

[mystic cloak]

Plus like 2 plat for clenta

[agile cloud]

...

[sand umbra]

also yeah uh

[agile cloud]

25 silver solutions is bad

[sand umbra]

Calamity reduces the price of solutions

[mystic cloak]

Outside of 250 you goof

[carmine island]

Bless this mod for doing that

[sand umbra]

it's 25 silv in vanilla, 5 silv in Calamity

[mystic cloak]

Lol true

[agile cloud]

5 silv is still lowkey expensive

for large amounts

[carmine island]

Still cheaper than 25

[sand umbra]

ammo conservation accs tho

and this is stuff that lets you actively spread or delete biomes at your leisure

[agile cloud]

unless i banned myself from using non rogue items ;-;

deleting is hard

cause you get that 1 corruption block you cant find

[sand umbra]

you come into my house

point out that ONE FUCKING EBONSTONE BLOCK I CAN'T FIND

[mystic cloak]

lol blackout

[sand umbra]

seriously that's gotten me like a dozen times in playthroughs

[mystic cloak]

rogue is love, rogue is life

[sand umbra]

I cleanse the world

[mystic cloak]

Lol thomas

I feel that

[agile cloud]

disable corruption spread

[sand umbra]

and then suddenly there's this one patch of Corruption that still exists

[mystic cloak]

Bro I shit you not there was a time where the eNTIRE FUCKING BEACH got corrupted

by crimson

[sand umbra]

and I'm like " I just cleansed you"

[agile cloud]

Corrupt jungle anyone?

[mystic cloak]

And I literally dug a massive fucking median, sprayed that clentaminator for the next 3 biomes and a half

[carmine island]

I shit you not whenever I pick corruption ITS ALWAYS ON TOP OF MY JUNGLE

[mystic cloak]

I come back about an hour later with a burden breaker to farm hearts again

AND THE FUCKING CRIMSON WAS BACK

ONE SINGLE FUCKING BLOCK. ONE

CORRUPTED THE ENTIRE THING

[terse sundial]

calm down

[mystic cloak]

You don't know pain until you've tried to clentaminate a world and then a singular fucking block screws it all

[toxic kettle]

it do be like that sometimes

[devout seal]

because it does that.

if you remove the crimson, it restarts from one block.

[mystic cloak]

It was at the beach tho

the exact place I clentaminated the ever loving hell out of

I swear the amount of salt though

could create the fuckin eutrophic sea all over again

Siren would get nice and cozy with the desert scourge

Regardless, I think it would be a good idea to have some sort of clentaminator solution recipe for each biome

You could buy shit like pumpkin seeds or just seeds in general for example, to make vanilla solution

Glowing mush for mushroom biome etc.

combine with bottles (filled with water ofc) and then tada

solution

[terse sundial]

or we could just make the steampunker sell all solutions at all times

[mystic cloak]

that would be too easy though

[terse sundial]

not really

[hollow idol]

money

[mystic cloak]

It-it's a joke about game being hard

Also yeah, money.

At least it ain't vanilla though. 25 silver per solution

[ashen warren]

could make an Unconscious Angler Sprite

after Killing a Trasher

[mystic cloak]

??

[ashen warren]

and make a unique quote of him that says: "I was taking a nap and i was eaten by a Crocodile, thank you for saving me".

[mystic cloak]

But that makes no sense

you see the man floating around at the beach on the water, cause he was sleeping

[ashen warren]

similar when u wakes Angler in the Ocean biome

for the Sulphurous Seas

[mystic cloak]

He already has a unique interaction with a trasher for killing him, and he doesn't spawn in the sulphuric sea

Redundancy to add more

[ashen warren]

Not to pull the “this mod exists therefore your sugg is invalid” but Solutions mod exists

[mystic cloak]

Still a QoL suggestion we'd be better off with anyways

[ashen warren]

True facts

[mystic cloak]

Also would I get in shit for mentioning a past suggestion or a current suggestion?

Just asking for posterity

cause I know some places go "REE" when you 'advertise' a suggestion

[hexed ore]

Not sure, because I wanted to do the same thing (kinda)

[mystic cloak]

I also kinda agree with your current one.

[ashen warren]

You mean like being it back up for discussion?

[mystic cloak]

Angler is just a pain in the ass

[ashen warren]

^^^

[mystic cloak]

We had discussed it for a while the other day

the whole flarewing discussion

and I was wondering if it would still be valid to talk about

Or more importantly, the damn lunarian bow being better than it LOL

[ashen warren]

Yea that’s pretty stupid

[mystic cloak]

Because we noticed that the lunarian bow had not only an earlier tier for progression

but it also did insanely better

I have the times posted in the suggestion

[hollow saffron]

i saw chunks

this isnt minecraft

smh

[ashen warren]

There are a surprising number of “this weapon is surprisingly useless” in Calamity tho

[hollow saffron]

same with vanilla terraria

[mystic cloak]

and if we look back in the logs a little, we can see the times and experiments we did on a ripperless cryo run with standard gear at the time

The thing is though, it is literally only recipe fodder

[hexed ore]

A chunk of something could just be.a 16X16 block

[mystic cloak]

every item in a way has its own place

But the flarewing? Completely outshadowed by the lunarian, or irrelevant by other bows in its similar "class setup" range on the wiki

It has very little place up until the time you use it in a recipe for the gale I think

[ashen warren]

I made a sugg a week and a half ago about Dark Lance, discussing how Sausage Maker is better in every way (it eats the WoF for breakfast with a ripper)

[mystic cloak]

See that's the thing though.

Gotta do ripperless

To make a full observation of both and how they perform

[gusty geode]

Wouldn't say every item has a place tbh

[mystic cloak]

I mean some do, some don't

but generally each weapon can be used or has a purpose for some part of time

[ashen warren]

Well every item theoretically has a place

[mystic cloak]

The flarewing on the other hand.. not as much

[ashen warren]

I tried it once and was like, why is this ass

[mystic cloak]

Honestly the hellwing bow has a better shelf life than the flarewing bow

[gusty geode]

F for Shadow Orb/Crimson Heart items that weren't considered important enough to be given alternate obtainment methods

[mystic cloak]

^

[ashen warren]

Crimson Rod intensifies

[mystic cloak]

I mean you still have access to the corruption/crimson islands

If you were to theoretically expand said biomes, you have the option of fighting the respective bosses there

But then again that takes effort.

And since when has anyone had any effort

[ashen warren]

Imagine effort in 2020

[gusty geode]

They don't drop anything but ore tho
It's a weird, albeit cool, design choice
The actual loot comes from the stuff you break to summon the boss

[ashen warren]

Well the ore that drops is the primary source of it and the items you can craft with it

It’s one of those “choose your reward” situations and I like those better because no RNG making me fight it 8 times for a melee weapon

[mystic cloak]

Squid, if you actually take dirt, you can place it across the island

and expand it into an actual biome

me and a friend have done it before

Somehow, it worked

[ashen warren]

Annoying to do with Perfs tho

[mystic cloak]

In general its difficult to build enough to make a spread for a legit biome

and even still it only allows access to hive/perf

rip eater of keks

you will be missed

[ashen warren]

honestly why I use TerraCustom to just have both of them

[mystic cloak]

Oh shit someone made a suggestion to buff the butcher?

Huh, I'm surprised.

[sand umbra]

yeeeees

because it apparently takes thirty fucking seconds to get it to max potential

[mystic cloak]

Oh yeah

it does

trust me

its not worth making.

[ashen warren]

But yea I think if Calamity buffed every weapon that needed it it would be a whole update of its own

[mystic cloak]

It takes a full 30 seconds to reach full fire rate, and before hand you might as well be slapping them with tissue from a kids bday party

because that'd be more effective than the god awful slow spray

Megashark completely makes butcher irrelevant

[ashen warren]

Requis

[mystic cloak]

and still does a better job

[sand umbra]

and that's a channeled wep, mind you
meaning no RoD, no other weps so no Golden Shower for Ichor or Lunic Eye for Marked for Death

[mystic cloak]

oop

Yeah that too ^^

You do any of that, and you rip the channel

and have to start all over again

So uh.. why does that weapon exist again?

;u;

[sand umbra]

one idea I found interesting was one Hec brought up
making it still painfully slow by default but having it have no cap on how much it can ramp up

[mystic cloak]

Sad thing is I made it recently for my run, and its just.. pain

I mean, rule of exponentials thomas

there will always be one retard out there

that holds it for up to an hour for science

then bitches and whines "muh too op it crashed my server wah"

[sand umbra]

so then its power level is entirely decided by how long you can not hurt your finger from holding down the fire button

[mystic cloak]

IDK I think the hard cap is fine if they just buffed the damn overall dps or base

or maybe made it fire a bit faster

Like the snowstorm cannon, that thing fires hella fast even whilst ramping

and is a great weapon for its tier

so why can't the butcher be the same?

[ashen warren]

Reminds me of Drat... and how full charge left click is as strong as right click yet way more risky. At least in experience it was

[mystic cloak]

Yeah.

[ashen warren]

When the rewarding thing is not rewarding

[mystic cloak]

Did they actually change drat at all, or is the lmb still a death wish?

[ashen warren]

It basically is

[mystic cloak]

Well shit.

That's a shame.

[ashen warren]

Right click has similar DPS anyway so no point in left click

[mystic cloak]

I don't even wanna think about how hellish the yharon fight is gonna be for my current run

let alone all the shit its gonna take afterwards to get the drat to be actually useful

[sand umbra]

Drat's left-click penalty on hit got majorly nerfed

and the weapon overall got a fat buff

[mystic cloak]

See that is a re-occuring theme with channel weapons I've noticed though

Why would you ever use them when there are either better options, or the channel "upside?" is just made irrelevant by other options that are less risky, provide more options (discord, ichor, etc.)

and they're not good at all until spun up.

[sand umbra]

did you hear me

[mystic cloak]

This is excluding the drat

[sand umbra]

ah

[mystic cloak]

I was taking into account that

but even still idk how good it is with the changes

[toxic kettle]

What even is this suggestion

[mystic cloak]

and idk how recent they are

[sand umbra]

for one, getting hit doesn't murder you anymore

[distant gyro]

Gear: Auric Ranged, Drew's Wings, Asgardian Aegis, The Sponge, Core of the Blood God, Magic Quiver, Elemental Quiver, Heart of the Elements [OFF]
Buffs: Archery, Yharim's Power, Holy Wrath, Profaned Rage, Well Fed

SCal Gale:
Time: 5:05
DPS: 75k-140k
SCal Drat (6 backfires at 50%, 42%, 20%, 16%, 10% x2):
Time: 3:58
DPS: 30k-240k (no secondary fire used)

Conclusion: Drat is drastically better as long as the flow of the primary attack isn't stopped. That being said, the drawback of Drat is hard to recover and any mistake or getting hit may result in a swift chained-hit if not careful with the boss. Heavenly Gale is pretty decent but the amount of tornado it creates may destroy performance especially pairing with Elemental Quiver split.```

[mystic cloak]

wot

o ok

[distant gyro]

this is a public version test

[ashen warren]

drat still meme until removing flight time on hit is fixed

[green pumice]

you're supposed to feed the angler to the trashers

[sand umbra]

it only resets the firing speed and temporarily halves wing flight time

[distant gyro]

that's a 1 minute improvement from gale

[mystic cloak]

Oh wow that's actually pretty swood

[toxic kettle]

this suggestion is just "I hate the Angler"

[sand umbra]

yeah

again, Drat's penalty on hit is much less absolutely debilitating now

and the payoff for using it is much greater

[distant gyro]

except if you ran out of flight time and you got double hit

[mystic cloak]

They backfired several times yet still got a much better clear.

Huh.

[distant gyro]

that happens, rarely

although carpet coming in crutch tbh

[mystic cloak]

Still very high risk but the reward seems more evident now

[sand umbra]

imagine running out of flight time

[mystic cloak]

now if only the butcher followed suit.

Imagine running out of flight time, this meme was made by the soaring potion gang

kek

[sand umbra]

I'd honestly appreciate Butcher getting similar treatment

especially since its only function is the channeled fire

[mystic cloak]

Yeah, butcher needs more insentive to actually use

[ashen warren]

guess we better buff phantasm too, its a spinup weapon too

[sand umbra]

I will obliterate you

[mystic cloak]

sure

[sand umbra]

[mystic cloak]

I won't mind as I'm playing ranger this run LOL

Maybe shorter rev time

and slightly boosted damage

to improve butcher

Or more bullet per shot? like 2 more bullets

cause its like a shotgun that revs for speed & accuracy

But fires only like what 3-4 bullets?

Boomstick fires more damn bullets lol

Also did you know that the phantasm is the only pillar weapon that got nerfed like twice since its release?

And heavily nuked the damage?

owait nvm they did the same to the beater too

ranger busted confirmed

need more mage love

Nebula blaze is the ONLY moonlord item that ever got buffed for damage.

Ouch.

So uh, thomas, remember how we tested the lunarian bow on cryo and realized how busted it was?
Should we make a suggestion about nerfing it?

@sand umbra

[sand umbra]

...are you done now

[mystic cloak]

Sure.

But yeah, that bloody bow needs a change

[distant gyro]

you can stop suggesting buff/nerf etc now

we have too many on the list and some of them aren't even handed to us

currently working on the great class struggle of supreme calamitas

[mystic cloak]

LOL

Yeah fair point.

Guess its harder than it looks to test all that stuff now that I think about it.

[distant gyro]

managed to get every weapon to form a spectrum 4:30 (drat) kill time to 5:30 (magnomaly) kill time

[mystic cloak]

and how to "fairly" nerf or buff

[distant gyro]

which is pretty good

[sand umbra]

Magnomaly getting a minute slower than Drat moments

[distant gyro]

bruh it's an rng homing non-glass cannon

[mystic cloak]

big oof

Do you guys have times for the photoviscerator?

I wonder how all the weapons times pair up

Cause gale had a solid 5:05 from what you posted earlier

[distant gyro]

Photo 5:14 old test, 4:44 new test (slightly buffed), awaiting another rebalance

[mystic cloak]

Ah

Rebalance to nerf or buff?

The time seems pretty ok considering SCAL is around 5:00?

[terse sundial]

~5 mins without rippers on revengeance mode

[distant gyro]

^

[mystic cloak]

Ah

Yeah that's what I was guessing

[terse sundial]

and literally like the entire exo tier weps are getting balanced right now

[mystic cloak]

Again??

Yeesh

Guessing you guys haven't had much time to experiment w/ ace's high yet either with it being pretty new

[terse sundial]

so like, just chill out for a bit

we test weps before their release

[mystic cloak]

Yeah I know that, but mainly just wondering how it pairs w/ the other weapons around that time

[distant gyro]

looks like 5:20

byeah

[mystic cloak]

oof

Best of luck w/ the balancing & testing lads

gotta dip for now, gl hf

[toxic kettle]

Cryogen not being that visible during the fight is the whole point of the blizzard

[queen sail]

Is it

[toxic kettle]

and tbf it's not too hard to see the minions

[sand umbra]

that reasoning really doesn't. hold up from a design/gameplay standpoint, if you ask me

especially now that Cryo has been buffed to actual-boss status

[terse sundial]

don't use wording such as "retarded goons" please @ashen warren

[ashen warren]

Alright.

[sand umbra]

I suggested this or something like it a while back
nothing ever came of it

[ashen warren]

My point still stands though. He's a pain to fight.

[sand umbra]

kinda hoping that with all the recent buffs to Cryo, maybe this can go through this time

[ashen warren]

He's not too difficult himself, because he's kind of a pushover. But the fact that you can't even see him coming is a nightmare to deal with.

[terse sundial]

edit the suggestion to remove that wording please

then we can discuss it

[ashen warren]

His little goons just blend in with the snowstorm too.

[bronze abyss]

[ashen warren]

There.

[terse sundial]

thanks

[ashen warren]

also to make things easy

Just use a Warmth Potion

[terse sundial]

now, I personally like the weather events in boss fights, including Cryogen

[ashen warren]

and problem solved

[queen sail]

@ashen warren do you have storm effects disabled

If you don’t you might wanna

[ashen warren]

I don't, because storm effects actually doesn't bother me otherwise. It's just his minions.

[sand umbra]

I like the weather events in boss fights from a thematic perspective

[terse sundial]

we could totally increase the visibility of Cryo's projectiles

[sand umbra]

but from a design/gameplay standpoint it can seriously mess with the fight's perceived difficulty

[ashen warren]

It would be a huge help if they were more visible. What if someone is actually impaired visually?

[sand umbra]

given that snowstorms rather fiercely reduce visibility on most projectiles and entities

[ashen warren]

also his theme has a Blizzard environment

[terse sundial]

the toggleable storm effects do kill most visibility

[ashen warren]

removing it could make no sense

[terse sundial]

it can always be disabled, but keeping the theming of it is pretty important

[ashen warren]

Thing is..

[sand umbra]

I feel like something done with drawcode could be more versatile and less hard on visibility

I don't wanna try delving into setting up unique Cryo blizzard drawcode though, god knows it'd take me a week

[ashen warren]

Disabling effects makes snow storms and desert storms pretty underwhelming and boring, and they're not really hampering you in any way, so much as they're just a nuisance.

However, Cryogen specifically is the single most hardest boss I've fought thus far.

Not because of his damage, as every boss in Calamity is fair and balanced by doing 200+ damage in one hit.

But because of the effects, that makes him such a pain to deal with. You can't see him until it's too late, his minions just swarm you immediately and are almost invisible.

Significantly boosting their visibility by making them have a blue shine would help tremendously.

[terse sundial]

the most damage cryo can do is 133 in death mode per hit with the exception of the ending phases derping rams where up to 202 damage can be done
I totally see your point nonetheless

[ashen warren]

Actually, speaking of damage.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but does enemy damage scale?

[sand umbra]

but what about his projectiles and projectile damage calc memes

[ashen warren]

Because I've unironically died to Purple Slimes.

For no reason.

[sand umbra]

that's just slimes being scaled in Hardmode

by vanilla

[ashen warren]

And at the time, I had full Titanium Gear.

And full health. 400 health, to be exact.

And it took a VERY visible chunk.

In fact, all enemies seem to do a lot more damage than they should. Are they meant to have scalable damage now in Calamity?

[sand umbra]

that's just slimes being scaled in Hardmode
by vanilla
this is a vanilla mechanic

[ashen warren]

I know slimes scale to Hardmode via Vanilla, but I distinctively don't remember them doing THAT much damage.

[sand umbra]

in fact, quite a few enemy types are scaled in Hardmode and post-Plantera by vanilla

[ashen warren]

Yeah but the thing is..

They're still incredibly weak as I remember in Vanilla, due to your own Hardcore armor.

Even after being scaled.

[gray nebula]

Read the suggestions dont

[terse sundial]

asking for items purely for references is in the donts

@ashen warren ping (again) but that kind of suggestion isn't allowed

[ashen warren]

Ah, alright.

[sand umbra]

...thought

[ashen warren]

Removed the suggestion, my bad.

[sand umbra]

so you know how like Crabulon, Aureus, Ravager, and (sorta) the Slime Gods try to hop over the player and land on them

[ashen warren]

If it's in the rule channel, it's really hard to actually see what you're specifically talking about. @terse sundial

[hollow shell]

I'm kinda iffy on the Aureus suggestion for the specificity but he does provide a good reason for it

[ashen warren]

Because there's a lot of text.

[worn salmon]

yeh

kidna like slime gods thing

[hollow shell]

It's in the Don'ts Doc, Ermin

[terse sundial]

it's in the suggestion don'ts doc pinned in this channel

[hollow shell]

Pinned

[worn salmon]

right now he kinda jumps over you

[ashen warren]

Oh, I rarely check pins.

[worn salmon]

doesnt really stomp

[hollow shell]

Fix that

[ashen warren]

But I'll keep that in mind.

[sand umbra]

is there any reason they suddenly come down really sharply if the player is under them at all

[hollow shell]

Pins have important info in them

[sand umbra]

...maybe I should record Aureus real quick so you can see what I mean
this isn't the easiest to explain through text

[ashen warren]

Are there any rules about crude language?

[worn salmon]

oh

[hollow shell]

Don't be excessive, I guess

[terse sundial]

yes

[ashen warren]

Obviously I'm not gonna say fuck, cock and feet in every sentence, but y'know.

[hollow shell]

You can drop a few FUCKs if you want but don't be aggressive or annoying about it

[terse sundial]

that is in #rules

[ashen warren]

Where? I looked at the #rules and there's nothing saying ''no foul language''.

Which is why I asked because it's always good to be specific and not make a bad impression.

[hollow shell]

Falls something under "Respect each other"

[terse sundial]

^

[ashen warren]

Could be made into it's own rule, don't you think?

[hollow shell]

Eh

Foul language isn't the problem

[ashen warren]

Because using foul language inherently doesn't disrespect someone.

[hollow shell]

its why you're doing it

or how you're doing it

[ashen warren]

Because I think very few people might get offended if I say ''man, Super Calamitas is fucking terrible.''

[hollow shell]

if you just pop into a channel and start shouting obscenities for no reason
That falls under being disruptive, which is a rule

[ashen warren]

Or ''Hallow spreads like aids.''

No, I'm not gonna do that, but I myself tend to have a foul mouth.

[hollow shell]

That's fine on its own

[ashen warren]

Obviously I don't go around screaming obscenities everywhere and every time, but I don't really know how sensitive people are on this Discord.

And how much/how little people tolerate cussing.

[hollow shell]

Try playing it a bit safe in terms of how edgy you're gonna be
Edginess doesn't really go over well here

We're not so thin skinned that we'd gasp if you say the big bad F-word

[ashen warren]

Feet.

[hollow shell]

... yeah that one

[sand umbra]

okay so

re: Aureus

oh for the love of fuck it's like 20 seconds why is the video huges

notice how when I go under him for the first two jumps, he very quickly loses all upwards momentum and drops straight down

[hollow shell]

mmm

[sand umbra]

Ravager and I believe Crabulon also do this

is there any reason as to why

[hollow shell]

Why they do it?

[ashen warren]

A stomp itself feels very generic, but I can see why you'd want some other attack.

Because otherwise you're just jumping back and forth.

[sand umbra]

because at lower health percentages especially you are bound to get tackled by Aureus during these jumps

[toxic kettle]

the video isn't even playing properly for me

[hollow shell]

Its to make the jumps actually effective

[sand umbra]

because he far outpaces any movement options you have

[worn salmon]

wait

[hollow shell]

If they just jumped in an unchanging arc they'd fly right over your head

[ashen warren]

I'd suggest something else, but that would require more work.

[sand umbra]

I understand why they try to keep horizontal momentum

[ashen warren]

What if he grew ''arms'' or space tentacles after he drops to 50%?

[sand umbra]

I'm talking about literally stopping all semblance of vertical momentum and dropping down instantly to guarantee a hit

as you see in this video

[ashen warren]

Which discourages you from just jumping back and forth.

As jumping back and forth would put you in tentacle range.

[sand umbra]

it's not really unique or particularly fair given Aureus is huge

[worn salmon]

i was thinking like a roxcalibur

type of stomp

[ashen warren]

Aureus is kind of small.

[worn salmon]

on my suggestion

maybe a bit slower

[hollow shell]

Well it is a part of Aureus's whole design
Its even got a custom animation and sound effect to indicate it

[ashen warren]

Unrelated, but can you actually kill Adult Eidolon Wyrm reliably?

Hella hp, hella defense.

[hollow shell]

No

You can kill it
but it takes like an aeon

which is intentional.

[ashen warren]

Is Soul Edge that strong?

[sand umbra]

Ravager and probably Crabulon do the same thing btw

[hollow shell]

You don't only get it from AEW

[sand umbra]

also Soul Edge can be obtained from Juvenile Eidolon Wyrms post-Polterghast

[hollow shell]

You can get it from the juvenile wyrms too

[ashen warren]

Are Juvenile Wyrms killable?

[hollow shell]

Yes

[indigo fog]

yes

[toxic kettle]

yes

[hollow shell]

They're normal minibosses

[ashen warren]

Then what's the point in killing Adult?

[hollow shell]

Bragging rights :P

[toxic kettle]

if you're lucky not to constantly get jumped by Reaper Sharks

[ashen warren]

Man I really love Reaver Sharks. Who sprited them?

[hollow shell]

Also, guaranteed Halibut
and if you beat it early, you can get post-Polter weapons at any point in the game

[ashen warren]

👀

[indigo fog]

It just made to stop people from using RoD in the abyss

[ashen warren]

Guaranteed Halibut?

[hollow shell]

Vaikyia sprited them

(I assume you mean Reaper Sharks)

[ashen warren]

Whatever they're called.

Big sharks with arms.

[hollow shell]

(Reaver Shark is a pickaxe :P )

[worn salmon]

is my suggestion good?

[ashen warren]

There are just some designs I am not a fan off. Not because they're ugly, but because they're underwhelming. Calamitas is just..

[sand umbra]

it honestly just seems like the current stomp attack but stronger

[ashen warren]

I don't know what she is.

[sand umbra]

which is

[ashen warren]

She looks like an evil Gaster Blaster.

[hollow shell]

Calamitas will get redesigned in the future

SCal as well

[ashen warren]

Although, I'm only going by the wiki because I've only seen her there.

[hollow shell]

to become humanoid

[ashen warren]

So maybe--

So she is just a..

I wanna say head?

[hollow shell]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[indigo fog]

eye

[hollow shell]

eye, yeah

[ashen warren]

That's an eye?

[hollow shell]

Anyway this is offtopic

[indigo fog]

She's like retinazer

[hollow shell]

You can go to #calamity-mod-talk or summin' for this convo

[indigo fog]

Borealis Bomber minions are getting a new sprite ||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459252132068065280/674740663266443284/borealisbomb.gif||

This is a sprite from #sprite-submissions in the art server that got accepted

[jaunty schooner]

@topaz coyote read bottom pin of #suggestions-voting

[frail mantle]

i mean, reacting to the exclamation mark doesn't do anything, so that part of sugg rules is mostly just a "why do it when it doesn't do anything"

it's not exactly punishable or anything

[indigo fog]

It's just not necessary to touch it, but it's fine. i'm pretty sure it's not a bannable offense

[hollow idol]

Rover reacts with the ! sometimes

[jaunty schooner]

why did u do this for no reason

[indigo fog]

This suggestion sounds like a lot of work to implement

[jaunty schooner]

yes

[frail mantle]

people use it as a downvote when it's really just a "mods haven't given this a yet"

also yea that'd be a lot of work

also iirc suggesting new events is a Don't

[jaunty schooner]

random accessories how would u do that @ashen warren

[ashen warren]

@jaunty schooner Essentially, you start the Boss Rush but instead of using your own normal items, you get a randomized inventory. Perhaps not a full one, but your armor is.

[indigo fog]

This is also stupid because randomizing gear can get you pre-hardmode gear vs an event that's meant to be fought post-Scal.

it's completely based on chance

[jaunty schooner]

i understand the concept

[gusty geode]

Would it even count as an event
Sounds more like a mode to me
Either way I like it

[ashen warren]

It's literally meant to be based on chance.

[jaunty schooner]

but what if u had stuff in ur inv already

[indigo fog]

it's an event on the wiki

[jaunty schooner]

and then it randomized it

wouldnt u lose ur stuff

[ashen warren]

@jaunty schooner The idea is that all the items after the run will be removed.

As in, your inventory and setup is temporary.

[frail mantle]

permanently?

o

[indigo fog]

There's almost no skill to it, just for if you luck out

[jaunty schooner]

but what if u started the fight with exoblade

and then it randomized inv

how would u get the exoblade back

[ashen warren]

No, look.

[indigo fog]

And again, alot of work to fully implement

[frail mantle]

so you lose the inventory you had before you started and get it back at the end?

[ashen warren]

Let's say you have full Tesla Gear and a Halibut Cannon on your original character.

You start the Boss Rush, and now you have full Frost Gear w/ Soul Edge. After the run is over, you regain your original gear.

You basically just gain a temporary loadout to fight a gauntlet of random bosses.

[indigo fog]

That's almost impossible with that gear anyways

[jaunty schooner]

ah ok that sounds like a lot of work to program tho xd

[frail mantle]

that sounds like it'd be beyond cbt to code

[indigo fog]

that gear is so bad

[ashen warren]

Yea randomizing inv is a no, but randomizing boss order might work. Theoretically

It's not bad. It's been a feature in other games.

[frail mantle]

yes but those are other games

[zealous ridge]

But you gotta consider what it’s like for terraria

[indigo fog]

@keen grail Add a reason

[ashen warren]

Like Wizard of Legend. You gain randomized spells, cloak and relics that last the entire run. I just thought that having a pure RNG Boss Rush could be really fun.

[keen grail]

I did

[hearty plaza]

theres already a music box slot mod

use that one

[indigo fog]

wait i read that wrong sorry about that

[keen grail]

Wat

[small talon]

That boss rush suggestion is extremely unnecessary

[keen grail]

What is the name

[hearty plaza]

tmusic player

i think

[keen grail]

K

[frail mantle]

you have to remember that it has to work with the flow of terraria, not the flow of other games

[golden narwhal]

U can place music boxes

[hearty plaza]

no spaces actually

[jaunty schooner]

yes

[hearty plaza]

so its
tMusicPlayer

[jaunty schooner]

we got a lego bricc

briccccccc

[frail mantle]

having an event like what you're suggesting in Terraria would feel really out of place, even if it doesn't feel out of place in other games

[indigo fog]

Pure RNG is no fun in any situation, especially when you're very likely to get awful gear for an event that's meant to be fought post-Scal

[hearty plaza]

having a boss rush at all feels really out of place in terraria lel

[ashen warren]

Gotta consider the limitations of Terraria. Terraria doesn’t have a way to know what WAS an in inventory that is now completely different. That would be a bunch of effort to code, not to mention a standardized balance of health and damage for all the bosses and gear in the game

[indigo fog]

This is a lot of work anyeay

[ashen warren]

But there's already a Boss Rush so that argument is invalid.

[hearty plaza]

also this is calamity, which in its entirety feels out of place in terraria

[ashen warren]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Boss_Rush

It's literally already a thing.

[frail mantle]

yes but that boss rush is designed to be balanced with endgame gear

[indigo fog]

^

[zealous ridge]

yeah it considers the player in a predetermined series of states

[ashen warren]

Yeah, but what I thought would be fun is an RNG version of the boss rush. And don't blatantly just say ''NO ONE WOULD ENJOY IT'' because I'm sure there would be people that would.

[indigo fog]

You can't just use early hardmode gear on an endgame event

[zealous ridge]

It’s not balanced around frost armor

We aren’t saying it’s blatantly unenjoyable

[frail mantle]

oh i don't doubt that some people would enjoy it

[ashen warren]

@zealous ridge If you get bad RNG and spawn with Wood Gear and a Copper Shortsword, then..

[indigo fog]

No. nobody enjoys a pure RNG, and besides, it takes an immense amount of time to implement

[ashen warren]

Yeah, you can just die and re-do the boss rush.

[zealous ridge]

But is that fun?

[ashen warren]

And yes they do. Gambling is literally pure RNG.

[frail mantle]

i just feel like it'd be something that would take ages to code in to add something to please a very small minority of the community

[ashen warren]

Believe it or not, some people unironically enjoy lootboxes.

[zealous ridge]

Do you think that it’s fun to constantly reset just to get lucky? It’s not the focus of terraria

[frail mantle]

i am aware of that, yes

[indigo fog]

Randomizing an inventory can take forever to fully program

[ashen warren]

I thought he meant that basically all bosses and items were balanced in this mode.

[indigo fog]

I'm going to use this image again

[sand umbra]

...what did I walk into

[indigo fog]

This will take forever to implement

[frail mantle]

normal sugma disc conversation

[ashen warren]

I also don't know how long it would take for them to code that in. I don't know what manpower they have.

[zealous ridge]

Well you need to consider that

[indigo fog]

/\

[zealous ridge]

you can’t just call us blatantly against your idea for no reason if we have reasons to dislike the idea

[ashen warren]

And the fact that Terraria is inherently not designed in such a way that this would actually be feasible without rewriting the game’s base

I am just considering the suggestion either way, and see what other people would think. Because yes, pure RNG is enjoyed by a number of people.

@zealous ridge I'm not saying that. I just thought it was stupid to just automatically assume that it would be bad because of statements being said as ''facts''.

[zealous ridge]

?

what do you mean by this, nessecarily?

[ashen warren]

Like saying ''it's BAD'' and having it sound like it's meant to be an absolute truth.

[frail mantle]

also, if the gear you'd get would just be the raw items themselves without being buffed to Endgame levels, you'd have a basically shit% chance of actually getting a weapon that's good enough to even clear the event

[ashen warren]

Or ''pure RNG isn't enjoyed by ANYONE'' which is a complete lie.

[zealous ridge]

I don’t think we’re saying that

Okay, but like

[indigo fog]

You can't implement it without it taking a huge chunk of their time

[ashen warren]

Again, I'm not part of their dev team so I can't directly ask them and be like ''hey how long would it take to implement this?''

[zealous ridge]

You don’t have to be a part of the dev team to ask?

[sand umbra]

when making any sort of suggestion, one should at least try to consider the amount of things that would need to happen in order for it to happen

for a randomized BR to occur:

• the order of the bosses in BR would need to have statistics and AI ironed out for a nigh-infinite number of possible futures
• you'd need a way to ensure the player gets items actually strong enough to contest BR in the first place
• the devs would need to have the patience to essentially test the same shit over 200 different times for just as many different setups
• never mind the fact that using the Terminus would still have to reset the player's inventory to normal state when used

[indigo fog]

You can literally just cheat this with chests

[sand umbra]

this is all discounting the egregious amount of anti-cheese that would no doubt come with such a thing --- Calamity isn't exactly known for glossing over exploits

[ashen warren]

How? @indigo fog

[frail mantle]

the problem with your argument of "it works in other games" is that in games where the bosses you fight and the gear you get is randomized, like EtG, they're based around this fact, meaning that it'll work in those games
Terraria is based around a set rough progression of the order of bosses fought, weapons and gear obtained etc., i.e. not how the other games deal with it

[indigo fog]

Put your endgame gear inside a chest when your inventory is randomized

[ashen warren]

See, about that.

You know how you get teleported to different areas during a normal Boss Rush?

[sand umbra]

e.g.

• chests and Magic Storage can store powerful items which can then be retrieved while QB is being QB
• Cheat Sheet
• plenty of other potential ways to completely ignore the event

[ashen warren]

There's no reason why that couldn't work this time.

[sand umbra]

you get teleported to different areas exactly twice in BR

[indigo fog]

It's just the underworld and back because WoF wouldn't work

[sand umbra]

and for the express purpose of WoF being doable

[queen sail]

...that’s not the same code

[ashen warren]

You get teleported to Crimson too though for Perforators, don't you?

[queen sail]

[sand umbra]

not because it would be too difficult but because WoF literally breaks outside of the Underworld

no

you don't

[queen sail]

No

[ashen warren]

How do you defeat them then?

[sand umbra]

every other boss in the Boss Rush completely ignores biome enrages

[indigo fog]

You don't

they don't enrage

[ashen warren]

They don't enrage ever.

They just become immune.

Immune outside of Crimson.

[sand umbra]

that's called an enrage

[queen sail]

The game acts as if you’re in the actual biome for them in BR

[frail mantle]

the only two times you're teleported during BR is once to the Underworld to meme on Waffle and once again to your spawn point

[sand umbra]

and either way it doesn't happen in BR

[indigo fog]

they don't become immune in BR

[frail mantle]

^

[sand umbra]

BR causes all checks that would make the boss do more damage, become immune, etc. to fail

[ashen warren]

Ah, alright. Then I have another solution which might maybe work better?

[zealous ridge]

You see what we mean when we say this is way too complex to implement? Not only is it outside the scope of calamity mod, it’s outside of the scope of terraria honestly. You can say whatever you want, but I feel like you really don’t even know how the normal boss rush works so I’m kind of just going to leave this before it gets ugly. It’s not viable to implement. I’m sorry to say, but I don’t think many people will get behind it. Good day.

[sand umbra]

anywho yeah

[ashen warren]

If possible, maybe have the game periodically replace your loadout with new items as the bosses get more difficult? Again, all of your items are temporary and when the boss rush is over, it all gets removed and you get your normal loadout back, with your items in your inventory.

[sand umbra]

see my original list

[indigo fog]

a lot of work to fully program

[frail mantle]

again, this sounds like it'd be beyond cbt to program

[sand umbra]

of shit that'd need to be ironed out and tested beyond reason for all of this to work

[indigo fog]

you don't seem to understand

[sand umbra]

you forget that this still creates a theoretically infinite number of possible futures for how BR plays out

[ashen warren]

I do understand, I just don't believe it's impossible.

[sand umbra]

do you understand how much of a fucking nightmare this would be to balance

[frail mantle]

and it would still most likely only please a minority of the community

[indigo fog]

They're working on other stuff too

[sand umbra]

it's not impossible

it can be done

[queen sail]

And at the end of the day

[sand umbra]

but it's not practical at all and I've already told you twice over as to why

[queen sail]

The reasoning is weak

Combining the theoretical amount of time to code this to happen (which is currently a significant portion of time) and fit that in a schedule full of revamps, new bosses and content, etc

For...what, really

[indigo fog]

We don't even need a second BR, especially an pure RNG version

[ashen warren]

I know you've told me, Thomas, but the thing is that the only reason people seem upset by this suggestion is because it would be a supposed coding nightmare.

[indigo fog]

it would

[frail mantle]

that's not the only reason though

[zealous ridge]

That’s not what we’re saying only..

Again I feel like you aren’t listening

[queen sail]

Ketamin consider does the mod really need this

[sand umbra]

the only reason people seem upset by this suggestion is because it would be a supposed coding nightmare

alright

[ashen warren]

It seems like the full suggestion. Because saying ''no one would want RNG'' or ''RNG is unneeded'' are equally weak counter-arguments.

[sand umbra]

I'm gonna tell you really bluntly why this doesn't work

[zealous ridge]

No they aren’t

[frail mantle]

we're also saying that it would be a balancing nightmare, would feel even less fitting in Terraria than the normal Boss Rush, and not that many people would even want it to begin with

[zealous ridge]

RNG is unneeded is a fair point

[ashen warren]

Because people definitely like RNG, and I'm sure there would be a bunch of players that would enjoy an RNG boss rush.

That’s the thing

There aren’t

Calamity has people trying to remove random elements all the time

[zealous ridge]

That sounds like a minority group tbh

[sand umbra]

it's a programming nightmare, it's a balancing nightmare cranked up to 11, it doesn't work with what Terraria is, and it ultimately wouldn't please a large enough portion of Calamity's fanbase for it to be anything close to worth it

[indigo fog]

/\

[zealous ridge]

^

[ashen warren]

/
/
/\

[frail mantle]

again, i won't deny that there would be people who would enjoy it, it's just that these people would be so few that it wouldn't be necessary

[ashen warren]

I can't reasonably tell how many people exactly would like an RNG boss rush because the entire discussion has just been ''it's a nightmare to code and balance''.

[zealous ridge]

Yes

[frail mantle]

that's because it would be

[sand umbra]

[zealous ridge]

And you’re just gonna IGNORE that?

[sand umbra]

I

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren That's not what QoL means. It seems like you're the one who misuses that word the most, as far as I can tell

[sand umbra]

I don't know what else I'm supposed to say here

[queen sail]

bUT iT’s pOSsiBLe

[ashen warren]

Not ignore, but the thing is..

[indigo fog]

Just it being that hard to code and balance is a good reason

[zealous ridge]

Yes you are, you’re deflecting

[hollow shell]

QoL means the gameplay becomes more streamlined and convenient for the player

[ashen warren]

Why are you speaking for the devs? Because it's very possible.

[sand umbra]

I really don't know what the fuck else I'm supposed to say here to get this understanding across

[hollow shell]

A resprite so something looks a bit better has nothing to do with Quality of Life, Umbrella.

[frail mantle]

'know what, i think imma leave this convo for now because it's just going in circles right now

[ashen warren]

/\

[lost agate]

Wew its happening again

[zealous ridge]

O so

lmao

[sand umbra]

...alright
I'm getting a headache

[indigo fog]

I'm going to show this image again

[sand umbra]

I'm out

🛫

[indigo fog]

/\

[ashen warren]

@sand umbra The reason I'm continuing is because it would be more understandable having an actual dev say how difficult it would be or not, instead of someone speaking for them.

[golden narwhal]

Can Fabsol's message be pinned so people know large suggestions have a very low likelyhood of being added?

[zealous ridge]

Oh you’ll get a response

[indigo fog]

It can be in the don'ts instead

[golden narwhal]

Yes

[sand umbra]

I'm a programmer who constantly works with Calamity
I am not a direct developer of Calamity but I have worked with the mod for the better part of a year

I speak for myself, as the person who often takes in these grandiose ideas that would never make it in main, when I tell you this will not work out

[ashen warren]

Which is ultimately what I want, and if they specifically said why it would be difficult, then sure, I'd take the L. But I'm very likely not going to be convinced when it's just non-devs and people not even involved with the game speaking on their behalf.

And oh.

[sand umbra]

the reason I responded is because somehow you found it necessary to ping me when I already wanted to leave the conversation in the first place

[lost agate]

Ok, can you all like

[quick ice]

Large suggestions are still fine, since if they get a lot of support it shows that people are interested in seeing changes to the topic of that suggestion

[hollow shell]

It would be incredibly hard to balance a randomized boss rush, especially if you want it to give items as well