That's true
#suggestions-discussion
hollow shell
ancient widget
I am getting sort of sick of suggestions wanting us to add grandiose amounts of content, but they will never happen because we already have plans.
ancient widget
I was talking about the suggestions in general.
zealous ridge
i would feel better about suggesting to increase the drop rates for now
yeah, understandable
ancient widget
Not that I read most of them anyways, because quite a few of them are poorly-written and condescending.
Which is another thing that needs to change.
gusty geode
Imo having a plan doesn't necessarily mean you should completely discount other ideas
I'm sure you've come across a few that are well-written, good ideas, right?
zealous ridge
i mean it's not even that
sure there are well written ones, and maybe you can think about those suggestions in conjuction to dev plans
ancient widget
I don't completely discount other ideas, but if they're so grand in scope that they would take up an immense amount of our time, there's no way I'm ever going to consider them.
The small suggestions are fine.
zealous ridge
yeye, i agree
and like, i feel the whole condesending and overly difficult to implement suggestions is part of the culture of suggesting things in general
ancient widget
Well yes, people thinking they know more than the dev team.
zealous ridge
i dont speak for everyone, but i think the suggestions channel kind of makes me feel like im working with devs, in a way
and a lot of people let that get to their heads
ancient widget
As if they'd know what's best for the mod, that attitude makes certain suggestions difficult to read.
And yes, that's why those certain people will never be actual devs.
I'm glad it brings the community closer to us, but what I don't appreciate are when people think they know everything just because of that.
zealous ridge
yeah
and its hard to say if there is really a way to filter those bad eggs out
while still keeping a sort of strong community link
i dont have any solutions off the top of my head, at least
ancient widget
Yeah, I think the only solution is to talk to those bad eggs about their behavior, and how it doesn't help anyone.
zealous ridge
yeah, it seems the best thing to do
tired haven
Unless this kind of people acts real provoking, it is incredibly hard to segregate them without a backlash
gusty geode
I just don't like how limited our options for suggestions that might actually be added are
It's a lot worse than the rules and don'ts would have you believe
While this changing would be great, I'd be satisfied if you were just more honest about it
A pin saying that if it's not a rebalance, minor cosmetic change or something small like that, odds are it's not going to be added
zealous ridge
encourage respect and moderation
eh
BOS, i understand your frustration
but ultimately i think you just kind of learn that and make due with what you have, so to speak
i dont think it needs to be pinned that "YOU WILL BE DISAPPOINTED", i think we just need to encourage that this chat really isnt a direct hotline to the devs and their plans and ours will inevitably clash in some way
for instance, i dont think devs really relish in the idea that people will have ideas for the mod and they will probably not work with dev plans
its just like... "sorry, but that's just unviable to implement for us"
ancient widget
Acceptance of reality is important.
zealous ridge
yeah, be realistic
ancient widget
The reality being that quite a few suggestions are just unviable for us, regardless of popularity, yeah.
ancient widget
Yeah, and I've tried to be patient as well with suggestions in the past, but simply reading them all burns me out.
zealous ridge
yeah, yall get a lot of suggestions each day like
woeful ginkgo
I hope mine didn't burns you out
I tried to be as accurate as I could when I was talking about the dps of some of the betsy's weapon
gusty geode
I understand things take work
That's actually why I suggested a reaction emote for ideas that are good enough to be implemented someday, but not right away
If doing something at that moment isn't possible, maybe it could be put on the backburner for later
gusty geode
That was that the devs liked it and it might be added
woeful ginkgo
Also I did test every single one of the betsy's weapon with the right post-golem setup just to be sure that I wasn't wrong
ancient widget
Well, I'm glad I have others that look through them, but I'd still like to be able to read some of them without feeling guilty that they will never be implemented.
Yeah I don't take issue with the smaller ones.
zealous ridge
yeah smoler ones are pretty simple usually
also slimes combining would be cool but idk how easy that is to do
i dont know any precedent in vanilla or calamity that does that really
so interesting, but idk how viable it is
ancient widget
You'd have to check collision for the slime hitbox, if it's touching another slime, combine them into something else.
That's how I'd do it at least.
zealous ridge
hmm
ancient widget
In terms of code, that's the only real way to do it.
zealous ridge
yeah that sounds about right
i like it, but time will tell what the devs and others think of it
carmine island
That would do something crazy fighting king slime
tiny agate
I didn't think about it originally but would something like that end badly with a zerg potion or chaos candle.
For king slime, those slimes are splitting off of it, so they'd likely also be unable to reform
zealous ridge
perhaps, hard to say
depends on if theres a limit to how large they can grow
which means, it probably needs a limit lmao
tiny agate
Definitely
distant gyro
we're kinda trying to avoid overlapping with masochist mode changes though
and afaik that's already a thing in maso
zealous ridge
mm yeah that too
sand umbra
Maso does something sorta similar where one slime type splits into others when defeated
gusty geode
They can split but they can't combine
sand umbra
but they're like that by default, they don't combine
tiny agate
That is true, it is very similar to how slimes act like the bloons in BTD
distant gyro
regrow though 
black/baby slimes can regrow to mother slimes if not defeated in time
zealous ridge
is that like, 2 slimes combine back into each other or like, it just turns into a mother slime
either way yeah, i see your point
might be too similar to maso
distant gyro
just if you tag a slime, you have to defeat it in an x-second span
I don't think maso has a regrow mechanic, only a split one
sand umbra
camo slimes
zealous ridge
bruh
elder kiln
How about no
sand umbra
tiny agate
At least there aren't any zomg slimes
distant gyro
sand umbra
thank you for your wonderful idea, time for me to get on it
distant gyro
old irradiated slime
ashen warren
there are a few regrows
sand umbra
DDT Slimes coming soontm™️
ashen warren
baby slimes iirc become mother slimes
grounded corrupt slimers can regrow their wings
zealous ridge
also quickie suggestion here
Increase the amount of Ruinous Souls dropped by Polterghast and/or add other methods of obtaining Ruinous Souls
Currently, the one and only source of Ruinous Souls (Polterghast) doesn't seem to be meeting demands with the recent items added into the mod.
I think adding more methods to obtain the souls (happy phantoms post-polter) or straight up just increasing the drop amount from Polter themselves would go a long way in making this phase of the game less tedious bossfight-wise.
distant gyro
that's not on the maso wiki page
hollow shell
Looks good Chozo
tiny agate
It could be something that was suggested by someone but not yet added
zealous ridge
alright ill suggest
sinful violet
By the way we're going to really have you guys cut down on the unnecessary formatting in your suggestions. The "Today" etc etc stuff really has to stop. It doesn't contribute anything and makes it harder to sort through and locate suggestions we need to find. I'm going to pin this here for now and add it to the guidelines in the actual channel as "please keep it simple."
frail mantle
swift bison
:notlikethis:
zealous ridge
but im glad that's gone
ashen warren
god bless
cosmic jungle
indigo fog
This might have to go in #suggestions-voting because people usually read the pins there
maybe edit the rules
radiant meadow
it's in the rules
indigo fog
oh ok
distant gyro
last post-ml hook sug to reach the threshold was in Jan 16; ☑️
hollow idol
Can we add hooks to the frequently suggested already
radiant meadow
the last one was in september I think
the last one to get a green check
which is in the blue check mark range
small talon
I really hope at some point we do get sond pst ml hooks
distant gyro
Jan 16 was a bluechecked 90+ star
ancient crow
a polter themed hook would probably work
radiant meadow
blue checks are determined by green checks though
small talon
No hook goes faster than 60 mph which I see a problem with
radiant meadow
@quiet abyss can you add grappling hooks to frequently suggested in the document when you wake up? thank you
wary canyon
About that slime suggestion, maybe if there are enough slimes they could just straight up make a king?
iirc that’s basically his lore
hollow idol
where do the ninja and crown come from if that happens
keen geyser
lore and gameplay
arctic wren
yharim puts them there
Also I think an easier way to do that would just be to make big big / 3 slime versions of the other slimes that could spawn in deathmode
or maybe hm
rather then trying to code them combining
indigo fog
Post-ML hooks have been suggested so many times already
It's probably going to get implemented at some point
there's no need to suggest it again
arctic wren
are they on the "don't suggest" list? tbh they should be
indigo fog
no
arctic wren
devs clearly know they're wanted at this point
void kelp
additional hooks are probs gonna be added as a general statement
arctic wren
who knows if they'll get onto it or not, but it's kind of pointless to suggested it the 500th time
indigo fog
hooks that are stronger than the lunar hook sound kinda too strong
even post-ml
it's not really necessary
hollow idol
Omni movement hook
indigo fog
i'm still fine with it being added
sterile moon
Ive got an idea, i want too see what you all think. A new accessory(s)
the idea is a gun accessory that allows most bullets to peirce when used by any gun
for a name i was thinking "steel bullet".
Maybe it could have an upgrade? So it doesn't get lost in progression.
ancient crow
would be a bit broken with certain combos
sterile moon
liek?
bronze abyss
i would rather name it fmj or full metal jacket but ye that would be broken
indigo fog
thats a specific item suggestion
distant gyro
will either turn out to be really bad or really good
ancient crow
Literally any late game gun would be super broken with piercing
distant gyro
just not practical overall
actually, if it's something like meteor shot piercing then it will do more harm than good
ancient crow
Also if you want a gun that pierces just use a flamethrower
zealous ridge
please add more yoyos
distant gyro
if it's luminite bulet piercing then it's the opposite
hollow idol
@//ThomasThePencil#1118
zealous ridge
piano, you're gonna have to be a bit more descriptive than that
sterile moon
whats the difference?
indigo fog
im pretty sure this suggestion isn't even allowed
to add more subclass specific stuff
queen delta
@tacit geyser Make your suggestion more specific and add a reason why
indigo fog
isn't this a don't
queen delta
When I say specific, I mean, what tiers need it
distant gyro
yoyo gap is already pretty filled with the m
hollow shell
Actually, no tiers need yoyos ever
distant gyro
exact
hollow shell
As long as you have any melee weapons, you're fine
ancient crow
@sterile moon meteor shot piercing gives i-frames and makes multi-bullet weapons garbage, luminite bullet piercing works the way you’d think piercing should work
hallow kraken
Suggesting to improve yoyos is a don’t, restricting a playthrough to a subclass is considered a challenge and games shouldn’t cater towards those
tiny rose
@tacit geyser add a proper suggestion along with a proper description and why
indigo fog
the suggestion got deleted
tiny rose
Or i am deleting it
hollow shell
"improve" aint the right word, bat
zealous ridge
i have a feeling he's a ditcher
distant gyro
he's a silent ditcher
indigo fog
the suggestion was a don't anyway
zealous ridge
he's actually in the vc right now
hollow shell
wew
That's a new one.
@whole wedge Tell pianomanaphy to respond to these pings :P
ancient crow
considering calamity is all about breaking vanilla sequence, would it make sense to have a pre-boss gun?
zealous ridge
there is a pre boss gun
hollow shell
Is there not one?
hallow kraken
musket
indigo fog
minishark is too
ancient crow
I guess that counts
zealous ridge
musket, flintlock, minishark, snowball cannon,
indigo fog
^
zealous ridge
magnum???
indigo fog
no
zealous ridge
i guess its not ranged weapon but
hallow kraken
not that
distant gyro
paintball gun, pumpler, opal striker, firestorm cannon
zealous ridge
its a gun
distant gyro
etc
hollow shell
Magnum dont count
hallow kraken
not pumpler iirc, needs seeds
indigo fog
no it not
zealous ridge
indigo fog
its not even affected by shroomite armor gun bonus
hallow kraken
Every single melee weapon that is thrown instead of swung would like to talk to you
zealous ridge
distant gyro
it's a gun in design but it's not a gun that shoots conventional bullets
indigo fog
^
ancient crow
the sprite for magnum rounds is a clip of six bullets but each shot uses one whole item
hollow shell
lol
ancient crow
it shoots the whole clip 
zealous ridge
yes that's fair i will concede that but it is shaped like gun and act like gun and shoot gun and is named after a gun
zealous ridge
okay anyways
ancient crow
Considering all this talk about the magnum, what do y’all think about an exo tier post dog classless weapon
Even the elephant killer is pretty bad against the last couple of bosses
indigo fog
no
hallow kraken
nah
hallow kraken
sug: exo geyser trap
ancient crow
well not necessarily exo, just something stronger than elephant killer
indigo fog
you said exo tier
ancient crow
i didn’t realize it was that strong wow
indigo fog
i killed yharon with it with over 10% health
ancient crow
I’ve only ever used the magnum upgrades and the bazooka and they both seemed pretty underwhelming
hallow kraken
They’re meant to be not used as regular things
ancient crow
ik
indigo fog
bazooka kinda works on scal but they aren't used as weapons
use them to kill minibosses
multiple hydra shots can destroy abyss minibosses
versed tundra
I feel like you made this sugg too personal, @prime elbow
It's hard for me, even though I use wiring in every playthrough, to get why you'd need them pre-hardmode
the only time I ever felt like using gates is that one time I made a lock system for my automatic bunker entrance.
Never have I NEEDED them since, especially pre-HM.
prime elbow
toggleable alternating spear traps was the main use of 2 second timers that I needed. It took >13 timers from what I remember
versed tundra
spear traps are hard-mode traps dude
versed tundra
why do you need to hook bunny statues to a 2 sec timer?
prime elbow
to turn off
I needed them to add in a tiny bit of delay
pretty much the only way to make a 1 second delayed pulse is to hook a 1 second timer up to a bunny statue pressure plate system and have that turn the timer off
it was janky but worked as long as it wasnt a blood moon
versed tundra
So... you want them to add a recipe for some HM items barely anyone uses to begin with, solely so you can cheese pre-hardmode using the traps you weren't supposed to get at the moment?
prime elbow
because corrupt bunnies don't die to a spear trap in 1 hit
I guess? It was mainly a proof of concept
prime elbow
(and was actually built in hardmode)
elder mist
what a meme
prime elbow
bat hook bat hook
versed tundra
I wish there was a faster dual hook
hollow shell
I don't really see the point in making logic gates obtainable any earlier
swift bison
Lunar hook is faster than bat hook iirc
hollow shell
seems like kind of a
weird thing
prime elbow
but my alternating 2 second timers
elder mist
ah yes
elder mist
0.5 hook velocity in exchange of...
hollow shell
Spear?
prime elbow
yes
hollow shell
Lihzard Temple?
elder mist
how much? 2x? 3x? the pull speed?
prime elbow
yes
prime elbow
also was needed to make bunny statue toggles
versed tundra
you are just asking for solutions to your one specific problem
prime elbow
in order to make a 1 second delayed pulse you need statue trap kill box thing
Is there a reason to not add this though?
hollow shell
Yes.
There's no reason to add it.
versed tundra
that doesn't have much related to the Calamity mod at that point...
hollow shell
You even say in your suggestion that you are able to make 2 second timers, it's just not convenient
versed tundra
The only use case is pre-boss hardmode
hollow shell
which is a good thing
As you progress through the game, past things should get more convenient
versed tundra
then don't make it?
hollow shell
Good
radiant meadow
bat hook maybe be the "best" hook but it's also a pain in the ass to get through normal gameplay being locked behind time-based event and rng
ancient crow
Am I the only one who thinks it’s a bit odd how much rogue stuff is just sold by the bandit
wooden wedge
yep
hollow shell
Yes, you're the only one :P
Bandit is the rogue merchant
Why wouldn't she?
It's not like there's a shortage of non-bandit rogue items, either
cobalt rose
have you ever noticed that melee doesnt have a "dedicated" town npc?
ancient crow
none of the other classes have a large percent of their items all coming from one NPC tho
ancient crow
Not really
hollow shell
and Witch Doctor for summoner kinda
hollow shell
and Wizard for mage kinda
ancient crow
none of them are anywhere close to the bandit tho
sand umbra
...I'm extremely tempted to say something on the latest pin, but I won't
that said, I think it's fine that Bandit sells a decent number of items
hollow shell
And she does have the non-rogue option of Goblin reforge refund
sand umbra
especially given that, yeah, a lot of Bandit's wares are unique rogue accessories
cobalt rose
melee actually gets left out in this context
skeleton mercha t doesnt count
ancient crow
Ok ngl, the reforge refund is very nice
wooden wedge
tax collector is the melee man iirc
ancient crow
especially when you spend 70 plat getting godly on soma prime
sand umbra
tax collector being melee man is a good meme
sand umbra
literally just gives negligible-by-the-time-you-get-him amounts of money
and grants an equally negligible cane if he dies
cobalt rose
should i suggest, perhaps, giving another npc items (or even making a new one) that make them a "dedicated" npc for melee?
hollow shell
Hmm
wooden wedge
if it's a pre existing one then who'd it be?
sand umbra
I'm gonna come right out and say that probably isn't necessary
melee already has an egregious number of items from everybody
radiant meadow
what items?
sand umbra
and from plenty of other non-NPC sources
tiny rose
New pin makes perfect sense iirc
swift bison
⭐ Give the Omega Blue and Demonshade Sets Rogue Stealth
❔ Reason: The Omega Blue and Demonshade sets are meant to be all class glass cannon armours, with weak survivability but superior offensive ability. However, for the rogue class, the single class armours often provide both superior survivability and offensive ability due to having rogue stealth. This undermines the purpose of the glass cannon armours for the rogue class, but could be remedied by adding rogue stealth to the armour sets.
radiant meadow
oh I see
swift bison
is this too much formatting?
swift bison
the stealth damage boosts scale with how much stealth you have
so stealth strikes are still way more powerful with auric rogue
sand umbra
gonna be entirely real, I feel really heavily targeted by the new pin. all I can say without getting torn apart
seems fine to me, Seraph. good concept, explains itself well, doesn't use any "unnecessary" formatting
indigo fog
stealth affects movement speed so it would buff all classes
radiant meadow
problem was that other people started doing it too, Thomas
and then it honestly just added unnecessary fluff to several suggestions
sand umbra
m
tiny rose
It was full of unnecessary wording and details
We will make it more simple if necessary, it was, now it is a rule
hollow shell
"However, for the rogue class, the single class armours often provide both superior survivability and offensive ability due to having rogue stealth."
I'm not sure what this means
radiant meadow
it means stuff like auric rogue has better survivability and dps than demonshade
indigo fog
it's talking about rogue sets
hollow shell
"single class"
radiant meadow
or bloodflare rogue to omega blue
sand umbra
~~I mean I can cut down on it if it's getting that bad
I just feel targeted given the fact I was doing it for months before people started bootlegging the way I did it
either way I'll make my suggs more simple from now on, sorry if it bothered people~~
radiant meadow
I think single class refers to that with one helm, it specializes in a class
whereas omega blue is all class
ancient crow
I think he’s saying that auric rogue has more damage and def than demonshade, whereas auric is meant to have more def and demonshade is meant to have more damage
swift bison
changed wording
swift wadi
Is the stupid television opening to suggs finally banned
indigo fog
yes
ancient crow
Yes
swift wadi
Praise Fabsol
ancient crow
lol
hollow shell
(Praise Mrrp)
sand umbra
actually praise Mrrp yeah
wooden wedge
praise the rat lord mrrp
sand umbra
the one who wrote the pin and has the pinned message
indigo fog
You should probably mention Mollusk armor too, Seraph
swift wadi
Yeah but Fabsol is server god
indigo fog
that's also classless
ancient crow
Isn’t mollusk armor melee?
hollow shell
Nah, classless
sand umbra
mollusk is all-class/classless
hollow shell
Technically summoner
indigo fog
astral armor too
wooden wedge
so go from demonshade and omega blue to "multi-class armors that don't have it"?
ancient crow
Mollusk is the opposite of glass cannon lmao
swift bison
the only multi class glass cannon armours that don't have it
are demonshade and omega blue
swift wadi
lag
swift bison
lag indeed
warm tinsel
Future suggestion to keep for 1.4
Add some kind of support for the Razer Chroma Blackwidow keyboard like Journey's End does, have the keyboard glow purple, aquamarine and orange in the Astral Infection, orange and red in the Crags, blue and purple in the abyss, an orange tint between the blue for the void layer of the abyss, aquamarine in the Sulfur Sea, blue and sky blue in the Sunken Sea...
1.4 already does it to give immersion... We could have the same thing, AND EVEN HAVE IT BE BETTER!
opal barn
gusty geode
Would upvote
radiant meadow
it's hard to add support when we have no idea how it's going to be implemented
opal barn
but it's a future suggestion so it's okay xdd
queen sail
Patience
zealous ridge
cant help but wonder if that falls under "no making a suggestion about unimplemented things"
opal barn
It does
swift wadi
that is, by definition, what that is
zealous ridge
gusty geode
Was supposed to come out last year
So I would imagine July 2020 is a good guess
Any plans for what to do in that period between 1.4's launch and when tmodloader gets fixed btw
hollow shell
"purple and yellow in the Astral Infection"
You're a few years out of date
radiant meadow
hollow shell
and yeah just hold onto that suggestion for when 1.4 comes out and Calamity & tMod get compatibility with it
radiant meadow
current astral is blue and orange
swift bison
green and orange with a dark and desaturated blue/purple backing
hollow shell
There's a lot of colors in the Astral actually
radiant meadow
well it's called AstralBlue in code
swift bison
this is true
swift bison
but it's closer to moderator teal
radiant meadow
Celestus recipe will need replacements
I don't want to remove the 2 biggest parts of the recipe
without adding something back
swift bison
if Epidemic Shredder doesn't go into anything then you have an easy one right there
hollow shell
That's not a boomerang
iirc?
nah it is actually I was thinkin of something else sorry
swift bison
Same with Galaxy Smasher and Goulish Gouger if having one weapon craft into two others isnt a problem
ancient crow
Epidemic shredder is in Alpha Virus
indigo fog
Why is celestus a scythe when none of its materials even resemble a scythe
hollow shell
except Exe Blade
indigo fog
that's a hook
swift bison
Alpha virus can be added then
ancient crow
Alpha virus isn’t a boomerang tho 
tiny rose
If we are going about looks there is going to be a lot of change
indigo fog
valediction is a scythe
swift bison
at least it isn't a dagger or spear
tiny rose
Thats a small unnecessary detail
swift bison
valediction could work byeah
indigo fog
molten amputator too
zealous ridge
brimblade would make the most sense to me, alongside molten amputator
brimblade has the splitting aspect
indigo fog
elemental disk splits too
indigo fog
yes
zealous ridge
eh idk i like the idea of brimblade being used in celestus idk really why but i feel it fits
indigo fog
there isn't a single brimstone weapon that's a part of an exo tier weapon
zealous ridge
i mean, okay?
indigo fog
unless you count lashes of chaos being a part of helium flash i guess
zealous ridge
there is anarchy blade, which is a surogate brimstone weapon, although i dont think its brimstone tier iirc
but anyways
it really doesnt matter, its not my suggestion
ancient crow
Helium flash is exo tier?
zealous ridge
used in clarity
indigo fog
it makes vivid clarity
indigo fog
lashes is still a material for it
radiant meadow
brimblade, molten amp, and alpha virus aren't terrible contenders
indigo fog
what about valediction
radiant meadow
although I'd prefer something with more crafting
indigo fog
oh yeah
radiant meadow
especially since phantasmal ruin and shattered sun were both pretty distinct upgrade lines
zealous ridge
that's true
shattered and phantasmal had upgrades all throughout the game
phantasmal kind of picks up... post golem i think?
radiant meadow
although I guess I can't really complain
indigo fog
galaxy smasher could've worked if triactis hammer didn't take that
zealous ridge
swift bison
If it were me i'd put in Alpha Virus, Brimblade, Molten amp, and celestial reaper for the new celestus recipe
radiant meadow
it actually was something I was considering
switching up celestus recipe
hence why celestus uses frostcrush valari now instead of pwnagehammer
swift bison
frostcrush valari is probably a nice choice
swift bison
byeah
radiant meadow
pwnagehammer goes into true paladin's hammer now
swift bison
if frostcrush valari was given another upgrade in late hardmode or post moonlord, said upgrade would probably be even better tho
true paladin hammer is a thing?
is it before or after fallen
radiant meadow
no, I'm just going to give frostcrush valari an upgrade but not put it in the celestus recipe for no apparent reason
oh, I just still call it true paladin's hammer
even though Ozz changed the name at one point
fallen paladin
swift bison
Is there an unwritten "rule" in the dev team against having one weapon craft into both an exoweapon and a dev weapon?
radiant meadow
technically no
but I dislike split trees
for awhile phantasm crafted into contagion and phangasm (which made gale), but I changed that for the new update
contagion uses phangasm now
and heavenly gale gets galeforce 
swift bison
oh right contagion is a thing that exists
radiant meadow
the gale similarity was too good to resist
swift bison
Heavenly gale needs a resproot imo
swift bison
^
this is true
radiant meadow
you can, but spriters don't usually check that channel
mostly programmers, testers, and Mrrp
and sometimes Necro and Meta
swift bison
my reasons are:
- it looks really dated and other sprites of similar quality are constantly getting upgraded
- two of it's ingredients have bigger and flashier designs then it does, and exos are usually meant to be the biggest and flashiest as far as weapons go
radiant meadow
most gale resprites were denied
the ones that were submitted
for various reasons
radiant meadow
did he finish?
I recall he did something but I have terrible memory and Jace has done a lot of stuff
zealous ridge
jace remade the exo set the current ones at the time, at least
swift bison
im not sure if jace finished or not
This one isn't by jace but it's also interesting
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459252132068065280/648629264480206868/Heavenly_erjvrhtgkl.png
doesn't use the proper exo palette tho 
radiant meadow
we denied that iirc
hollow idol
I prefer current
indigo fog
it was denied
radiant meadow
only remaking one weapon and then making that one weapon in a different style is a surefire way to get something rejected
scourge of the seas is different
hollow shell
There's this one from a long time ago that I thought was good
hollow shell
but I've brought it up before and nothing came of it so
idk
indigo fog
it's kinda triangular
hollow shell
I like that it has a big ole arrow in the middle
swift bison
Unpopular opinion: Dune Hopper and Scourge of the Seas should have their sprites swapped
radiant meadow
the arrow thing looks kinda weird ngl
idk if swapping their sprites after they've been implemented is a good idea
I know what you're getting at though
indigo fog
swapping sprites can confuse people
radiant meadow
ye
sterile moon
Ano or mega, made some awesome exo weapons if you wanna check those out @swift bison
empty geyser
Good point @potent veldt, but I'm not sure if that's just part of the challenge
potent veldt
It's not
DoG's guardians purposefully despawn if you kill DoG before them in Phase 1.
So it definitely doesn't feel like it.
empty geyser
I suppose.
hallow hatch
halleys inferno is a lame weapon
potent veldt
That is almost completely besides the point
versed tundra
Why not propose having the "set bonus" key activate that attack?
potent veldt
Because that would be really clunky, as the bloodflare horned helm already has an activation attack
versed tundra
does it?
potent veldt
versed tundra
oh, ok, I didn't know how it worked...
potent veldt
Worth mentioning that the Bloodflare Souls thing is completely overshadowed by the actual Explosion Orbs
versed tundra
2% isn't a low chance for most guns and bows though
potent veldt
I get that it's meant to reward faster weapons with lower damage, but it's only rng-based
Meaning, for that late stage of a game, there's absolutely no checks or balances on how strong it truly can be at any given time
Which is why you can go a DoG fight where it simply doesn't trigger at all, or have a DoG fight where it triggered more times than you can count
Without having done anything to cause one or the other
versed tundra
I think it just shouldn't activate at all on all weapons slower than a certain threshold, or not do as much damage (not 60%).
potent veldt
Changed the sugg a little bit
sand umbra
RNG-based damage is smelly iirc
potent veldt
So it's not as harsh on faster weapons either
My main gripe with it is how extremely powerful it is
For being something that you have almost zero control over
Which is why I think it'd be better if it had a cooldown based on the weapon that fired it
So something like Halley's Inferno would have like, a 15ish second cooldown
Where something like the Seadragon has only like, 2 or 3 seconds of cooldown
versed tundra
The reaver armor rocket for comparison is a 10% chance. Even on slow weapons it doesn't feel too random on a whole bossfight's length
versed tundra
2% is 5 times rarer, and then you have to take into account the fact that you have acess to even slower weapons for that tier
sand umbra
so I remember doing the SAC research project a while back
Seadragon proc’d the explosive orbs much more than Daemon’s Flame or SAC itself
almost without question
potent veldt
It's meant to, yeah
That's how they wanted it, and I won't deny that it does work to an extent
Faster weapons just will trigger it more.
potent veldt
What, the explosions?
sand umbra
ye
potent veldt
They do not.
sand umbra
versed tundra
They were discussed not too long ago already
versed tundra
Ideas aren't what's stopping them form making a cool post ML hook
hollow idol
Also smh yall need to get more creative with hooks, all I hear about is polter
potent veldt
Alright, so
cloud surge
I've never seen polter hook idea
potent veldt
Just tested it out on five Super Dummy's (as I'm talking about how strong it is during the DoG fight, a worm enemy)
A single Seadragon bloodsplosion: 25000~ dps
A single Halley's Inferno bloodsplosion:
cloud surge
Yharon foot on a chain hook?
hollow idol
jesus
versed tundra
I want a hook that's a long cat
Make it post-ML because there aren't any post-ML hooks
hollow idol
meowmere
potent veldt
Which again, that damage makes sense, as they both will trigger that bloodsplosion at significantly different rates
But, again, there's no check or balance on it to make sure of that
Which is the problem
sand umbra
yeah, I see your point
potent veldt
Which it's also worth mentioning with DoG himself, it won't even just hit 5 parts of him either
Because of DoG's movement, almost half of his entire body will go through it
versed tundra
how is this different from getting a falling star during the last moments of a bossfight? /s
sand umbra
lolwut
versed tundra
(that's a joke about how a falling star can do massive damage to a boss in pre-hardmode, but it's ungodly rare)
versed tundra
you don't need to go through with the full comparison, it's just a joke
potent veldt
I must compare
hollow idol
I just had the idea of a hardmode variant of fallen stars being astral fallen stars and do enough damage to heck up hardmode enemies
potent veldt
No dont do it
hollow idol
Ofc that would be bad
gusty geode
An AI-exclusive Fallen Star variant would be neat tho
Would provide a more unique way to get materials
ancient crow
You’re hiking over to the dungeon and a fallen star just clocks you on the head and kills you instantly 
potent veldt
Fallen Star that homes
ancient crow
death mode fallen stars should just spawn a whole fucking meteor wherever they hit
hallow hatch
Death mode fallen stars should deal damage to player
hollow shell
@cloud surge That counts as a grappling hook (and a post-ML one at that) and therefore a don't
Also yeah lol Polter hook has been suggested multiple times in the past
Granted most of em were a long time ago so
worthy fiber
Polter already has a "hook" 
hollow shell
also Seberian, you too
zealous ridge
but the point of those suggestions might not be to make hooks better than lunar, but ones with more interesting utilities
indigo fog
we also don't really need that
zealous ridge
yet at the same time, yeah its not really nessecary and i can see why its a don't
some people may have the intention of making better-than-lunar hooks but i digress
zealous ridge
idk
but i mean, i really wouldnt worry about it
maybe the devs are a bit annoyed by it, that's fine
still like thinking about ideas for post-ml hooks
ill make them up in my own time
lost agate
3 hook suggs in 3 hours, wew
zealous ridge
indigo fog
can we please change the name to #suggestions-voting_read_pins at this point
zealous ridge
are hook suggestions in the don'ts now?
indigo fog
yes
lost agate
Isnt it just as frequently suggested
zealous ridge
yeah its just a frequently suggested
so like, suggesting more post-moon lord hooks would be redundant
zealous ridge
so like, okay i guess
still nothing stopping someone from just suggesting a rulebreaking sugg anyways
hollow shell
Nah the Polter hook isn't specific
indigo fog
It seems close enough
versed tundra
I think there should be a way to force people to post their sugg draft here, but I don't see what/how
swift bison
Exoweapon recipe submission 2 out of 3
indigo fog
2 of those aren't classified as bombs on the wiki
and what about penumbra
supernova has no post-ml weapons in its recipe
swift bison
Suggestion 3 of 3 will be to add Mineral Mortal, Scorpio/The Pack, and the Chicken Cannon to the magnomaly cannon
indigo fog
the pack is a patron item
swift bison
yes i am aware of that
zealous ridge
cosmic shiv is a patron item and that's in exo gladius
indigo fog
so i'm pretty sure it has to be approved by the patron
swift bison
theres a reason i put "Scorpio/The pack" instead of just "the pack" izzy
hollow shell
I don't know if specifying the exact items is really necessary
but, w/e it's prolly fine
indigo fog
The supernova suggestion should be edited to not include exorcism and star of destruction
they aren't bombs
karmic stone
Star is a mine syhea
swift bison
Exorcism was added this update and the wiki hasn't bene completely adjusted yet
indigo fog
star of destruction isn't classified as a bomb on the wiki so im pretty sure it's not a bomb
karmic stone
Exorcism explodes also (the page is up now)
It's under others
Because it's a mine
Actually fuck
It isn't even classified in the page yet a
sand umbra
Star of Destruction isn't a bomb
what meme-tier classification is this
it's literally a mine that is thrown by the player, deals rogue damage, and explodes into a ton of shit, usually after contacting an enemy a few times
what makes it not a bomb
I'm confused
sand umbra
karmic stone
Wheeze.
hollow shell
A spell check would be beneficial
hearty yew
@swift bison Your suggestions are sound. Exo weapon recipe updates were definitely on my mind
I hadn't considered all the options yet though
karmic stone
@zenith hazel Meme sugg
tepid root
god
hollow idol
Nice
swift wadi
Isnt that a blue check
tepid root
thats not really meme its just 2 words an no reason
karmic stone
Yea I read it again and I just noticed its about the piggy npc thinga thing (lol Brav)
distant gyro
that's a very simple suggestion that makes sense but no reason is provided nor is there any context
swift wadi
rip it died
hollow idol
I mean, can piggy even get a cage
zenith hazel
@royal yoke yeah please provide an actual reason instead of just putting piggy cage, sorry for accidentally deleting
distant gyro
yea ||piggy can be caught with a bug net recently||
hollow idol
||but its more items||
royal yoke
dude i want top ut the adorable pig in a cage.
hollow idol
Piggy already has a banner and the cirtter itself too
karmic stone
Provide reasoning doe,.,.,.,
loud steeple
Does calamity add any block destroying exploding stuff aside from the motar rounds and the onxy drill?
hearty yew
It's a valid suggestion with that reasoning
@loud steeple crystyl crusher and its pickaxes
hollow idol
"explosive"
swift bison
It's possible to put other critters in terrariums
royal yoke
it's cute, it's piggy, right now piggy only used for bacon and nothing else. would be cool to see a new modded critter cage
loud steeple
Forgot about those
loud steeple
But I'm talking more about say mech level explosives kinda like dynamite
hollow idol
Holy hand grenade
hearty yew
right click is raw unfiltered killtile
swift bison
we do not speak of the monstrosity that is pre 1.3 mobile
hollow idol
post 1.3 is arguably worse but anyways
hollow idol
add the other critters while youre at it tbh
royal yoke
i did it i provided reasoning
karmic stone
Good job
distant gyro
Another reason for you: consistency with vanilla critters @royal yoke
I think you could use that to further strengthen your point
hollow idol
seriously no love for lil minnow
distant gyro
Every vanilla critter catchable with a bug net can be caged afaik
tepid root
distant gyro
"why not same for clam's"
royal yoke
i justw ant the cute pig
distant gyro
radiant meadow
they need sprites
and sprites need to be good
and sprites need to be animated
and that takes time, especially with many other spriting priorities
@swift bison seafoam bomb goes into supernova already
it is used to craft ballistic poison bomb now
swift bison
oh ok
radiant meadow
also, I didn't want it to have too many single upgrade weapons
although that was difficult to work with
(also duststorm has a planned upgrade at one point or another I think)
hallow hatch
🐽 piggy cage piggy cage 🐽
cerulean needle
royal yoke
it's time we made a piggy change.
gusty geode
This is gonna turn into one of those memes that you get flamed for bringing up in a few months, isn't it
royal yoke
it's not a meme it's an actual legitimite suggestion
distant gyro
hallow hatch
Piggy cage
sterile moon
Saying the piggy has no use is total lies, gold, bacon, cuteness, etc
tired haven
Anyone wanna share thoughts on Temporal Sadness from Statis Blessing and upgrades destroying most of non-boss fauna?
fervent zealot
temporal sadness is kinda strong in general
teardrop cleaver actually disgustingly viable ngl
royal yoke
It's cute, but wouldn't it be great if that cuteness were forever preserved? @sterile moon (also bacon is useless since other mods and fishing invalidate its use
sand umbra
Temporal Sadness is really strong and it's honestly the big thing that keeps Teardrop Cleaver even usable, let alone viable
shout-out to Statis' Blessing + Lightning Auras making OOA T3 mostly a cakewalk
tired haven
Teardrop cleaver is in pretty nice position
It is quite weak compared to swords you can have at this point but the debuff allows you to safely cleave enemies
Statis blessing on another hand breaks the point of about 8 biomes/events before being upgraded to curse
sand umbra
Statis' Blessing + Lightning Aura = meme
memes huges on everything once Statis' Blessing can be obtained
not to mention all the other implications of all of the user's summons inflicting Temp Sadness
tired haven
I thought about suggesting to remove the sadness from blessing, to make it an unique trait for statis curse (so it's kind of a win-win), but not sure if the CC ability as powerful as that should be kept at all
sand umbra
yes
especially because Lightning Aura sentries exist
literally the easiest CC of my life
sand umbra
nearly everything in OOA is vulnerable to Temp Sadness, ye
queen sail
I need to do this sometime
sand umbra
combine Blessing with Lightning Auras, you won't regret it
queen sail
Save time and effort
sand umbra
easiest Tier 3 OOA literally ever
tired haven
would have imagined you know how much of a meme shadowflame as a dot is, thomas 
sand umbra
also I've just realized that Shadowflame on enemy hits is literally just First Shadowflame effect
hm
queen sail
Does shadowflame offer much else apart from flame dot but better Re: EX’s Revenge 2.0
tired haven
Ofc not
tired haven
Cursed flames do have dr reduction so probably yes (but putting that on yet another debuff is meh)
Tbh I'd be interested to see shadowflame to slow enemies slightly (like, about half of temporal sadness)
But then it affects those 3 weapons which are already p good
sand umbra
I'd be interested in having Shadowflame actually do appreciable DPS
tired haven
(except doll but shh)
sand umbra
but then again that doesn't deviate much from my usual opinions of DoT debuffs so /le shrug
also where is the implication that Shadowflame Knife is good
is it somehow actually good for its tier and I just never knew
tired haven
It is about the best ranged melee option in vanilla so it is somewhat decent in calamity
queen sail
Shadowflame Knife is
Interesting
sand umbra
bruh??????
tired haven
(basically single target except when used on destroyer and hordes of enemies)
queen sail
It’s very weird to use because there’s nothing else like it
...which may probably imply that not that many people use it or find it interesting
tired haven
(well, in vanilla it can also be used up to plontoro where it excels on tentacles)
tepid root
shadowflame knife is actually really powerful in vanilla byeah
tired haven
I just noticed I go apes on summoner nerfs a lot recently (which is already considered the weakest class)
Don't mind that too much, please: pretty sure there will be enough people to counteract that with suggested buffs. All I try to accomplish is to tone down the edge cases where the class was overtuned in order to assist it
versed tundra
Making nerfs is necesary to make room for better buffs
tired haven
exactly
split narwhal
A certain spikecrag staff should also be mentioned
tired haven
Might as well mention all the sentries but iirc they were deemed generally fine by devs
"Intentionally op" or "not counting for the dum ooa content", how ever you want to spell it
split narwhal
Spikecrag killing providence memes
tired haven
Energy staff dabbing on polter
split narwhal
But anyway summoner is really weak in some occasions and very powerful in other occasions
The balance seems to be off
tired haven
Thanks vanilla for designing a class that rekts mobs and sucks against anything floating with big sprite (bosses)
Altho some credit goes to any mod that tries to bandaid that, too
ashen warren
@sinful violet thank for the pin
hallow kraken
@umbral shore could you add a reason to that suggestion?
frail mantle
SCal will get a mask and a trophy when someone sprites them
hearty plaza
^
hallow kraken
10 minutes after ping, list time
frail mantle
same with Guardians trophy
tepid root
how many times has skoores been added to the list already
frail mantle
at least once
tired haven
Someone should post a sprite of the trophy being a sugared donut
pls don't
radiant meadow
Call Profaned Guardians Trophy a specific item suggestion and call it a day 
tired haven
big brain
ashen warren
it is a specific one isn't it? 
prime elbow
rename bone welder to ligament laminator. thats definitely not too specific.
hexed ore
Is it ok to make alternatives to other people's suggestions?
versed tundra
I think the accessories that work "when underwater" should have a weaker form of these effects when the player has the wet buff. Also, a way to easily obtain that buff anywhere would be nice. Maybe a potion? Or a special "weapon" like the water gun, only made to spray yourself?
carmine island
A buff potion that grants the benefits of being underwater would be neat.
waxen pike
if you ever noticed the fish bowl will drown you but does not effect water specific items giving no wet buff either, possibly similar to this stating your underwater and can drown if not using appropriate gear as well as movement is slowed like underwater
almost like your own water bubble
my thinking is maybe adjust the abyssal amulet to do this? its an overall very strong accessory with the debuff it applies with no down sides at all
zealous ridge
besides, well, taking up an accessory slot
the damage becomes less useful over time
the 10% hp in the abyss is helpful for the post-polterghast void dives, though
lumenous amulet even more so
waxen pike
this can make water resistant accessories and water breathing more useful for later in the game and buffing an unused mount like the shrimpy truffle so its more inviting to the player instead of just the cosmic car keys roughly obtained at the same time since people usually kill duke around golem
keen geyser
and makes amalgam actually do something
waxen pike
duke and leviathan are sometimes forgotten and not useful, this gives them a little more attention to actually be fought
zealous ridge
@tulip parcel i believe that's a don't in suggestions pins
specifically, making changes like converting a throwing set to rogue are not really allowed
frail mantle
^
waxen pike
^
tulip parcel
kay
zealous ridge
plus, as much as it would make sense, at the same time
there's like several armor sets around that tier that benefit rogue anyways
zealous ridge
there is wulfrum at least
and if you want to work for them, obsidian and gladiator are changed to affect rogue since in vanilla they have no real use
frail mantle
there's Wulfrum, Victide, Gladiator and Obsidian if you use bombs
zealous ridge
victide would probably be the hardest one to get imo because cnidron grinding is kind of annoying in my experience
but it is possible to get it
waxen pike
I’m honest option wulfrum/victide is better anyway
tulip parcel
the only one of those that doesn't require concerted effort that sequence breaks is wulfrum
waxen pike
There are accessories that do a better job at ammo conservative early in game
zealous ridge
gladiator isn't that hard to get, i think
its a pretty common drop
its just that rng screws you over sometimes
waxen pike
Obsidian is also very easy if you use bombs or reaver shark
frail mantle
Victide isn't really sequence break tbh
radiant meadow
ninja armor does boost rogue dmg by technicality because of tmodbruh
but you don't get stealth
tired haven
(weirdly enough, I never experienced the boost, but that may be due to it applying only on the hit and not the weapon, i suppose?)
sand umbra
(wait wut)
indigo fog
"Add Supreme Calamitas mask and trophy"
that needs some reason
and scal is a superboss so i dont know it thats happening anytime soon
hallow kraken
The guy won’t respond to pings
indigo fog
there's also no need to ask for a profaned guardians trophy
it's probably gonna get one at some point
I think these suggestions are a don't
void kelp
The only thing preventing them is a lack of sprites ye
hallow kraken
Ah yes, “add config to unnerf thing because other mods”
hard crescent
A config option for a blanket nerf to an entire class is a pretty valid suggestion imo
indigo fog
its gonna happen
hallow kraken
people really want a thing that will obviously be added in the future
hard crescent
If you have a weapon designed to be swung fast, and you cant do so because calamity-
hard crescent
Id much rather there just not be a cap or a higher one
But those have been denied
so here we are
‘Golden rule of content mods’
Idk what that is but im sure it doesnt matter
Is it dont play with multiple mods?
hallow kraken
That’s a really nice statement
queen sail
Multiple content mods*
hallow kraken
“Idk what that is but I’m sure it doesn’t matter”
hard crescent
Right, so because someone on the internet wants me to play one way that means I must abide! Of course
indigo fog
What they're saying is that lots of giant content mods don't work well together
hard crescent
Look im just trying to play without a blatant handicap to true melee
That is all
If removing the cap is too busted, even if i disagree, fine whatever
keen geyser
ah yes, let true melee quintuple their damage
hard crescent
But the fact that there is no workaround is kinda bs
lore
radiant meadow
maybe changing it to a softcap
hallow kraken
Of course there’s no workaround to a nerf
radiant meadow
like what dr is atm
hard crescent
rogue exists
ive gone on enough autistic rants, you can get a x3.2 increase in speed maximum
radiant meadow
rather than a hard cap
queen sail
Incompatibilities are more or less your problem
Unless the devs of either content mods agree to cross-content then it’s not their responsibility
versed tundra
how is melee speed broken?
radiant meadow
the main point you made was to raise the cap which is why the suggestion got denied, but I'll look into a softcap myself
hallow kraken
remember stellar striker meme
versed tundra
I don't remember seeing huge numbers...
hard crescent
Would be appreciated, thanks
queen sail
Even then isn’t true melee still pretty busted (despite there only being, like 4-5 swords that work like this)
versed tundra
what makes them busted?
versed tundra
but you have to be in range...
hard crescent
The meme is that you can kill enemies real fuckin quickly with death mode adrenaline, which is no longer in the game btw, and stellar striker
versed tundra
and I don't remember my stellar striker being that strong...
Why would melee speed buff it more than melee damage?
hard crescent
Using shitty armor (like hm tier stuff), spending all accessory slots on feral claws and its counterparts, using buffs and armor, the highest you can get is an extra 220% melee speed for a tota of 320%, meaning use times are divided by 3.2
Meaning you swing roughly 3.2 times faster
That is without a cap
With a cap you can only swing twice as fast
versed tundra
3.2? I have a hard time believing it...
hard crescent
Basically none of the armor in calamity buffs melee speed
zealous ridge
i uh.. is that true?
versed tundra
Just checked ataxia and it gives none, yep
zealous ridge
i mean, on godslayer there isnt any