I feel like changing existing accessories to be more unique is a better idea than adding new unique ones
because then you have a bunch of old boring accessories and then the cool ones
#suggestions-discussion
hollow shell
sand umbra
... ;o3o
anything I could say on this subject would lead me into an hour-long session of rambling
so I'm just gonna tell y'all to have fun with this and go back to programming
hollow shell
Have fun Thomas
tired haven
Though if ever talking about combination amalgamations, fargo's souls is the perfect example 
Also yeah, upgrading existing content is a better move. And cya later thomas
hollow shell
reminder that we're the mod that has The Sponge in it
dapper blaze
Fargo's Souls is a good example of annoying amalgamation accessories that are actually interesting still imo
And are fun to try to get, at least the first time around
hollow shell
Fargo's shit has a ton of unique effects
tired haven
Materials for sponge are more terrifying design-wise than the sponge itself imho
Good old material accs talk. I wonder when the resolution will be found
dapper blaze
Doubt there'll ever be an actual resolution
hollow shell
We might get some if I work up the confidence
I have more influence than all of you 
dapper blaze
Okay, Mr. Suggestion Librarian 
hollow shell
(I wanted to balance out that statement with humbling self-degradation but I dunno if that woulda made it better or worse)
anyway
dapper blaze
lol
tired haven
I can balance it out with dueling by media content influence if you want 
Tbh I would star as well because well, hopefully there is something curious to transform insignia into
hollow shell
If it humbles you any, I completely forgot you were a YouTuber for a second
tired haven
it does
hollow shell
lol
teal ibex
just teeter delicately within the balance of content creation relevancy and irrelevancy and manipulate the best of both worlds 
tired haven
dapper blaze
swift wadi
I say let it be a surprise
fervent citrus
^
tropic yoke
Hey, does making the Corpus Avertor not steal life while fighting ML sound like a good suggestion?
swift wadi
That weapon heals for very little and ML's leech disables life steal yes?
radiant meadow
I thought corpus avertor heals a fuck ton of health
swift wadi
I could be wrong, I haven't had a ton of experience, but from what I remember it was kinda ech
But my point on ML still stands right? Or does his life steal blockers work in a weird way?
ashen warren
I’d have to test that specifically. That, or maybe the Wiki mentions it.
lost agate
Why are so many people suggesting shit for future content 
ashen warren
pinn't moment
distant gyro
because future shit always get some people to overhype
swift wadi
^
distant gyro
swift wadi
Great way of putting it
ashen warren
better than bottles suggestions 
distant gyro
like when all the changes for 109 came at once 3 hours before release, a good time to ensure that the hype goes to the update right away 
lost agate
Imo thats just risking being told that what you suggested is already a thing or thats unnecesary because you havent experienced to suggest a change to it
bold plume
hey everyone what do you think about a recipe for light and dark shards to be craftable with souls of night and light instead of hallowing/corrupting your whole desert just to find some?
keen geyser
+1
bold plume
what?
keen geyser
a subpar reasoning
worthy fiber
mind explaining why
keen geyser
I guess could be worded a bit more "professionally"
ruby hound
shouldn't this one be blue tho?
I suggested the same thing in december and it got 135 stars
keen geyser
"You shouldn't go and hallow or corrupt your entire desert just to get a couple of light/dark shards, making it easier to craft the weapons with the shards in them." this sentence is kinda odd to read and doesn't really explain anything to me at least
frail mantle
Suggestions that suggest the same things as suggestions made before June 1st won't be bluechecked
swift wadi
december comes after june doesn't it
keen geyser
depends which june and december you're talking about 
swift wadi
Well not considering suggs made in the future
swift wadi
so yeah that should be a blue check
ruby hound
yep
ruby hound
should I ping moders or?
toxic kettle
Corrupting your entire desert is an overstatement and certainly not necessary to get the Shards. You can even leave the entire desert untouched and instead just corrupt a desert area somewhere else
ruby hound
^
toxic kettle
Mummies are enemies that spawn very frequently too so farming for shards is easy
ruby hound
yeep
I prefer creating floating biome islands / boxes (if I'm lazy) for grind or boss arenas
loud steeple
Still annoying
ruby hound
Terraria is about terraforming
toxic kettle
Even if you don't intend to farm for them, you'll end up with a few shards in your pocket anyway
tepid root
for a second there that screenshot made me think grimm's suggestion had 9 stars but was greenchecked
ruby hound
lul
should I ping moders or?
How often do such things happen?
wait, can I not ping moders
frail mantle
you can't @ mods or some shit like that but you can ping a mod directly
frail mantle
doesn't really matter as long as they're online, i believe
keen geyser
probably rover
frail mantle
Rover isn't online
toxic kettle
yet
frail mantle
also he's not a mod
frail mantle
i mean not really
keen geyser
he's the overlord of sugmas
frail mantle
he's just the dev that checks this chat the most byeah
ruby hound
@zenith hazel literally pinging a random mod. A suggestion which was already suggested before got greenchecked instead of bluechecked
oh and they went offline the second I pinged them
keen geyser
he's probably busy
ruby hound
Which means I'll wait
zenith hazel
it’s already been delivered so it’s not like it matters much tbf
ruby hound
k
lost agate
For the record i blue checked it
You know what would be useful
If discord could like, add links to a post similar to reactions, so we could link bluechecked suggestions with what caused the blue check
But thats probably unnecesary
tepid root
alright but why
swift wadi
noW THIS MAN KNOWS HOW TO MAKE A POINT
lost agate
Another 3 words: Add a reason
void kelp
@olive bolt
void kelp
at least if you desperately want it, luiafk has it
olive bolt
Finished editing the suggestion
void kelp
honeyfin starts to reduce in value pretty much as soon as you hit hardmode because you can heal for 150 w greater healing pots
olive bolt
Right but it's still fairly useful if you ever run out of potions (I usually forget to craft more potions when I play, so having a spare healing source can save you even if it doesn't heal much)
void kelp
luiafk at least provides what you’re looking for
sand umbra
honey itself starts to reduce in value pretty much as soon as you hit Hardmode in Calamity's context
for the simple reason that shit like Honey Dew exists
distant gyro
@spiral niche the rest of the placable bars soontm
aka when someone wants to sprite them
only 3 of them are done so far 
ashen warren
frequently asked suggestion reee
hallow kraken
one sentence long
hollow shell
Indeed. That's frequently suggested.
Also I feel like I should just make a message saying "Don't suggest anything involving the new Death Mode features until it's released"
and pin it
because ffs
frail mantle
yea that's a good idea
hallow kraken
Pin? What are these “pins” you talk about? I don’t think they exist.
sand umbra
what is a "pin" 
hollow shell
m
It might be futile but it'd be more direct than requiring people to go into the Don'ts doc and make the connection with "upcoming features"
wooden wedge
@spiral niche we're gonna be able to place them when we get the sprites
iirc
so we're going to be able to place then 
hollow shell
Please don't make any suggestions regarding the new Death Mode features until the update is released.
Have patience. Wait until you actually get to see the changes in-game, and determine whether or not what you were going to suggest has already been implemented or if it's unnecessary.
(This is already indirectly stated in the Don'ts doc. It is upcoming content.)
hollow shell
**Please don't make any suggestions regarding the new Death Mode features until ...
@carmine sphinx (this isn't directly pointed at you but it does apply)
carmine sphinx
Ok
hollow shell
You should delete your suggestion (and maybe write it down somewhere in case it is valid after the update releases)
@tiny agate.
carmine sphinx
Applies to both of us,right?
gusty geode
I thought suggs like that were valid
Or at least they were the other day
hollow shell
I mean I guess it's a kind of grey area
if you're suggesting new things
cyan lagoon
People decided that making suggestions for something thats not out was a good idea
cyan lagoon
Got it
tiny agate
Ok
cyan lagoon
Lemme repost it here
In death mode similarly colored slimes can combine to have increased stats and become bigger in size
Just for clarity
hollow shell
yeah
gusty geode
Like
Suggestions to change existing features were bad
But ones for entirely new features were good
That's what I remember being told
queen sail
Question, for all the devs in here rn
hollow shell
(in regards to changelogs content, that is)
queen sail
If Death is gonna start getting significant changes and expert is gonna start getting some of rev’s boss changes (iirc from ozz)
Then what happens to rev
distant gyro
@frail mantle https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/552441692976971776 🏁
a bit overdue
frail mantle
queen sail
Holy shit
hollow shell
Death Mode is a fun extra heightened ridiculous difficulty
queen sail
A specific item sugma got in
distant gyro
specific sug hour
frail mantle
queen sail
distant gyro
I'm just gonna reveal this slightly early
frail mantle
i now know that at least one of the ideas i shat out into this channel throughout the years wasn't complete asspiss
queen sail
We have achieved maximum memery
distant gyro
hollow shell
This ain't even a technicality like "okay we implemented something that accomplished the same purpose as your sugg"
It was actually your suggestion that was seen and acknowledged and implemented, Providab
frail mantle
hollow shell
... with some changes iirc
but still
congratz
I only wish at least half of the other SISs were as lucky
green pumice
wtf specific sugg 
tired haven
cries in moon shade staff 
shell lynx
Is it too specific to suggest that the perforator hive's shots should always travel through blocks?
hollow shell
No, that's fine
It'd recommend that for higher difficulties at least, tho
Expert or Rev
Doesn't need to, I just think that'd be fitting
shell lynx
sounds good actually
shell lynx
If I can improve the sugg in any way let me know
swift wadi
That used to be a thing for death but it's not a thing anymore iirc
shell lynx
Just fought it on death mode actually
swift wadi
No idea why it was removed
shell lynx
Yeah, I was able to wait for adrenaline for each worm spawn
lost agate
Maybe because not every cheese has to be patched
swift wadi
Yes but when it comes to making one of the evil biomes far superior I think it's an issue
hollow shell
It's not weird to fight Perfs underground, either
considering that's where you fight BoC so you prolly already have an arena set up there
shell lynx
I fought them both within minutes of eachother
because why not, the cyst was right there
swift wadi
First time I fought Perfs was underground, in a crimson chasm
lost agate
And then you have to worry about the worms being able to ram you from anywhere
hollow shell
Tis true, you do indeed have walls around you
distant gyro
considering change 107 it's not too farfetched to make perf projectiles go through walls
swift wadi
Worms are kinda bullet sponges anyway, they die very fast iirc
lost agate
They may die fast if you go full out on them
shell lynx
seafoam bomb was enough for me
lost agate
But miss a bit and you got a worm going hyper
swift wadi
If the hive is completely useless because it can't hit me, what else would I go full on?
Demon Scythe, as an example, destroys worms that tunnel into it
swift wadi
So if a worm is super fast, you could basically let it hit you and the scythes, pick up the hearts, and be fine
lost agate
I would expect it to do well
Using a single weapon as your argument is eh but what do i know
swift wadi
Not the only example of a weapon brutalizing the worms, I feel like it makes much more sense for them to be fought while dodging the hive's projectiles, it's like two pieces of a puzzle, both are too easy without the other
Barinade, Flare Bolt, Magical Conch, Seafoam Bomb
There's a couple more weapons that destroy the worms iirc
versed tundra
@spiral niche Did you even try?
hollow shell
pff
versed tundra
I feel your pain, Rover...
swift wadi
Goin all out lol
hollow shell
I am gonna delete his suggestion and add him to the list, though
He was pinged twice with the reason.
swift wadi
whats the list
hollow shell
List of people who write suggestions and then leave immediately
versed tundra
There's a list just for suggs?
swift wadi
oh
lost agate
how big is it
hollow shell
Since I started it on December 20...
there are now 14 entries
lost agate
Epsi contain
swift wadi
Alriiiight I will
That's my one, it was too needed
Byeah, 14 sounds about right lol
Did he like, leave the server?
hollow shell
Nope
swift wadi
Or just like, not respond to anything
hollow shell
Just unresponsive
versed tundra
he's playing terraria, don't bother him /s
distant gyro
did you add another one for the placable bar person a while ago
swift wadi
should I link messages with over 90 stars and no green check here or does it work a different way?
tepid root
turn on developer mode to be able to do that ^
hollow shell
Indeed
Dunno why it's restricted to developer mode, considering how useful it is in casual conversation
swift bison
lost agate
What
hollow shell
wew
lost agate
Did i do smth wrong
distant gyro
originally a green check
queen sail
Well
distant gyro
until someone claims that it was suggested before
queen sail
You both sent it to the dev server and said it was already sent
lost agate
hollow shell
It was already sent so I guess remove the bluecheck
'Already sent' as in
that suggestion specifically was sent to the dev server
versed tundra
Aureus is surprisingly easy to kill, given that it gives access to the Stellar cannon, a tile-ignoring, explosion-making, shiny glitter spreading gun that's viable basically until moon lord.
I don't want it to be nerfed though
(I love it)
Is that normal?
hallow kraken
Wouldn’t that kinda remove the point of making them in a shrine
sand umbra
vanilla Jungle shrines
hallow kraken
Though I agree with a way of making them multiplayer friendly
gusty geode
Several of those tho
sand umbra
Calamity makes crafting recipes for two of the Jungle Shrine items
and they're much more common due to there being multiple Jungle Shrines
gusty geode
That's what I mean
Several jungle shrines
Mb
sand umbra
I know this
and I also know that this means there is precedent for making items reliant on worldgen RNG and enormous timesinks, such as shrine items, have an alternate way to be obtained
Calamity's shrines are much rarer than the various Jungle shrines and their items...because I guess they're supposed to be powerful one-of-a-kind items that are useful to have
void kelp
why not make their crafting recipes complex to compensate?
sand umbra
except this is basically the point of everything reliant on worldgen RNG in vanilla to begin with
literally just make the shrine item recipes really complex but renewable to set up
or make it so that the alternate method, whatever it is, still requires that you go fairly far out of your way to get it
void kelp
I’m down w that reasoning
runic heath
Especially since sometimes world gen makes it impossible to get. I was playing masodeath and was looking for Luxor’s gift. I explored the entire underground desert and it just did not exist
Although i will say the rarity does make for some chances to have different/interesting builds
Since finding one can change how you play which is cool. Or you can find fungal symbiote really early on in your mage playthrough and just do nothing
hollow shell
I feel like it's more interesting for only one item to exist among multiple players, so they have to decide who gets it and how the other player will compensate
If there needs to be more than one, though, we ought to come up with something that still requires you to find the shrine first
Like you can take the Onyx Key to the Goblin Tinkerer and say "Hey can you make me another one of these" and he can for some price/ingredients
radiant meadow
there shouldn't be a need for more than one though
hollow shell
... or just have him sell it if it's in your inventory, like the Witch Doctor and such can do
m
radiant pivot
Just an fyi, I think I saw a suggestion for an NPC that sells lore be thumbs down'd by the devs b4 so it's kinda risquey
low salmon
really?
radiant pivot
I mean don't quote me on it I still gotta check
teal ibex
smh still waiting on my lore from trophies recipes
low salmon
I mean I see one from 1/4/2020
loud steeple
One problem I allways had with the shrine items is on multiplayer,only 1 person can have one without cheating it in/cross worldong
hollow shell
@prime elbow *orientation
prime elbow
thank
hollow shell
I guess it make sense for them to be facing the same vertical direction whether you fire them to the left or right
s'kind of a minor detail
prime elbow
yeah, but minor details are a good thing to fix in general to have a better feeling finished product
lost agate
Isnt this better suited for #bugs-read-pins 
hollow shell
Not really
It's not a bug or even an oversight, s'more a matter of preference, or resolving something that bothers some people
tired haven
I can already bet it's due to simpler rotation code 
hollow shell
Currently or to fix it?
lost agate
To fix it
hollow shell
Neat
tired haven
Ye, sounds nice
lost agate
And the fact you said fix further means it belongs in #bugs-read-pins
hollow shell
But 'maybe'
lost agate
Then you can just put it in bugs chat, check if its intended and youre done
hollow shell
It's not like the sprites are flipped around the wrong way
like uhh, Mineral Mortar's sharks before
lost agate
No 90 star treshold needed
hollow shell
It's just whether the top half and bottom half are the same when you through it to the left vs the right
hollow shell
I would sigh at the passive-aggressiveness / pettiness,
if I myself didn't also express a ton of that for Defiled
so.. fair enough
radiant meadow
if you give me a list of everything with funky orientation, I can try and fix it
in my free time or something
hexed ore
Ok, Over in the Calamity mod talk, @ashen warren made a comment, that made me think. Why doesn't Ravager have a natural means spawn? It's unlock message is "An ancient Automaton roams the land..." so why doesn't it?
radiant meadow
probably because of the nature of the boss
it has a tendency to despawn if you get too far away
normally it spawns on your head, but that obviously would be unsightly in a random encounter
hollow shell
It'd be cool if there was some way to have it spawn naturally
or to change Ancient Medallion into something unique, something like using it to "locate" Ravager
zealous ridge
yeah the ravager's ties to the jungle temple were kind of cut a while ago if i recall
back when he had that green and yellow sprite
hollow shell
That sprite was never in-game afaik
and wasn't tied to the temple anyway
Not sure why he is connected to the temple
zealous ridge
interesting that it required temple materials
perhaps it was just an easy way to make it post-golem
that's what i suspect at least
hollow shell
maybe because constructing an ancient flesh kill machine was a very "Aztec"-like thing to do?
zealous ridge
he was created from like a ton of vengeful sacrifices
which is something we associate with ancient civilizations
sacrifices at least
hollow shell
yeah
ashen warren
make a sprite of Ravager disabled
zealous ridge
i think there could be potential for an interesting method of spawning
ashen warren
as Astrum Aureus when recently spawn
zealous ridge
or rather, a more interesting method
hollow shell
I had some ideas a lil while back about makin Ancient Medallion more intetesting and fitting
ashen warren
the flames over Aureus turn on when he is damaged
that flame turning off to on would works fine to Ravager
hollow shell
Perhaps
hollow idol
a bit late but the sprite was ingame and I have the version
hollow shell
aight
ashen warren
there is a Sprite when Ravager's flame is turned off?
void kelp
wasn’t that sky temple ravager
hollow shell
No theyre talking about his old first sprite
ashen warren
Scavenger?
swift wadi
THE SAVENGER
hollow shell
ye
swift wadi
:fear:
hollow idol
When that sprite was ingame it tended to get stuck in walls when spawning, is that still a thing that happens now
or does death mode not spawn ravager and im brain
ashen warren
Ravager doesn't have the message of "Something is Approaching"
hollow idol
I mean natural spawns
Oh wait nvm, it was because ravager was restricted to the claustrophobia that is the underground jungle
sand umbra
btw Ravager doesn't even spawn with Death Mode nat spawns
hexed ore
Fixed
ancient crow
does anyone have this green and yellow sprite y’all are talking about?
I wanna see its glory
void kelp
@hollow idol
tepid root
radiant meadow
will nerf the healing in general
tropic yoke
Yeah.
radiant meadow
pretty sure moon bite only disables spectre hood and vampire knives
tropic yoke
All I know is that I could not die during the fight.
radiant meadow
mana overloader is also disabled because all it does is turn on the spectre hood bool
tropic yoke
Damn, you guys found my magic strat.
Used that thing all the way up til' Yharon
I could've sworn that I was going to make another suggestion...
hollow idol
that sprite isnt even accurate to the one ingame, but that isnt a suggestion discussion anymore
tropic yoke
Did you...
Say...
Sprite???
hollow idol
distant gyro
moon bite is a flawless debuff
tropic yoke
Hnnng I want to get Alterra to help me with blocks ;-;
I'm stuck making Storm Weavers and suggestions while I wait.
swift bison
why does it only have 1 eye?
tropic yoke
idk
I thought it had just one until I looked back at the wiki...
OH... An accessory or buff that allows the player to fall faster.
That's the other thing.
distant gyro
which one
modest pilot
wryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
hallow kraken
what?
tropic yoke
I was gonna suggest a potion or accessory that made you fall really fast because it'd make dodging easier.
ancient crow
slime mount but you just drink the slime
tropic yoke
But other mounts tho
ancient crow
once you get to the point that you need to drop super fast to dodge things you don’t really need any other mounts
prime elbow
I made a bit of code to look for the wonky projectiles. Edit it and replace all of the example names with actual names of the projectile files (modify the repeat statements to make sure that each filename string is 256 characters long) and add extra runnings of the function as needed. It outputs true for every good projectile and false for every bad one. Please note that it will probably die if exposed to lines of over 256 characters. It is programmed in Fortran. Expect it to probably work badly due to being written extremely quickly. @radiant meadow
tepid root
radiant meadow
hmm
lost agate
potent veldt
Make an alternate "fake" voodoo doll that spawns WoF and doesn't kill the Guide, but requires some HM material to craft
Why?: WoF drops the entire line of emblems and also some weapons that specific classes use as materials, yet grinding WoF is considerably slow because every time you spawn him, the guide dies. The guide (most of the time) doesn't spawn right away, requiring you to wait for the next time you can spawn WoF, even if you're doing it because rng screwed you and didn't give you an emblem/weapon you need.
The reason I suggest it be HM-specific is because having a non-guide-killing spawn item for WoF would kinda ruin the commitment of fighting WoF to progress, which adds to the intensity of fighting him to begin with.
inb4 there already is some way to spawn WoF without guide
hollow shell
"voodoo dool"
iirc without other mods there isn't
tired haven
Probably easier to implement recipe for said emblems, but oh well, there ain't anything yet
distant gyro
there's only a gvd recipe
hollow shell
I liked the suggestion a while back to make the emblems craftable between each other using Enchanted Metal, from Permafrost
potent veldt
It still wouldn't solve the weapon problem
distant gyro
there's also something else other than emblems to get from woffle tbh
hollow shell
Indeed
potent veldt
Time to official sugg then
hollow shell
Emblems are typically what players are farming for, though
As you say (first and foremost, at least).
tired haven
would have said something to respawn npcs faster, but alas, there is already fargos
swift wadi
make the craftable voodoo doll do this tbh
distant gyro
"Bootleg guide doll"
swift wadi
Guide voodon't doll
distant gyro
Guide has awoken
tired haven
i mean, that's not half bad of the solution and resolve of "why would you equip voodoo doll, that's worthless"
mighty knot
Add a Toggleable AOE Block or Item that Makes the Cultists Invincible
Accidentally hitting the Cultists kinda sucks--this happens a lot when I'm building around them or if I just have an elemental axe that decides to whoosh by and kill all of them. They are also often hit by stray projectiles (such as the split beams from Aether's Whisper) if I'm fighting Polterghast or Ceaseless Void in a handmade arena closeish to the surface. I always have to disable my summons and whatnot when I'm nearby, and, unlike in vanilla, you have to deal with the Cultists long after Moon Lord is dead in the aforementioned Ceaseless Void and Polterghast fights.
A toggleable block would be akin to the Corruption/Crimson Effigy (only it affects nearby Cultists, not nearby players) and pillar totems, and a toggleable item would be akin to Revengeance or Defiled Rune. It would be nice if you got this soon after your business with the Cultists was over (maybe a drop from Moon Lord or Lunatic Cultist).
sinful swift
Wrong channel fam
sinful swift
So they're asking for feedback?
hollow saffron
Make more Post-ML bosses have less debuff immunity
Reason: Many cool debuffs in Calamity, such as Silva Stun, are completely negated by the fact that the majority of bosses, especially post ML, are immune to them. This makes sense for superbosses such as Scal or Yharon, but early-postML bosses such as Providence shouldn't have as much immunity to as many debuffs. There's no point in going out of your way to get a weapon that inflicts some supercool debuff, because most enemies that aren't immune to those debuffs are oneshotted by that point, and the bosses that aren't oneshotted are immune.
wow i posted something omg
keen geyser
providence is kinda the goddess of the sun, so she shouldnt be stunnable imo
but prof guardians and bumblebirb should maybe be affected by it
hollow saffron
silva stun was an example
there are other one
like demon flames
armor crunch
crush depth
elder mist
and even marked for death / Marked
hollow saffron
yes
hollow saffron
imean it makes sense if scal is immune to it
but like
freaking birbs
like how is storm weaver unable to be marked
he's literally immune to almost as manyy debuffs as doggo himself
and dog is so much more powerful than sw
anyways imma post my sugg since no one seemed to have issues with it
tired haven
The Destroyer with full debuff immunity:
hollow saffron
the destroyer getting yeeted by any half-decent bow:
worthy fiber
man what's with the "On this episode of!"
this feels like the :why: situation all over again
zenith hazel
it's a cult
hollow saffron
in that case than it can be rebalanced
lost agate
Rebalanced in what
hollow saffron
the dot does less damage to the worm so that it does the same amount of damage overall
lost agate
No no you dont get it
hollow saffron
like if the worm has 10 segments, a debuff doing 20 dps would do 2 dps to each segment
lost agate
Imagine you have a like 6 dps debuff
hollow saffron
imean like is it possible to make DR against dots
lost agate
Just for a single type of boss?
Not to mention all the amount of particles
But as i was saying
6 dps on a debuff is nothing much
But smth like destroyer which has like uh
60 segments or smth?
Well if you somehow inflict all 60 segments with a DoT you go from 6 dps to a whooping 360 dps
And all the particles from the debuff would kill your pc
Now, lets go to a stronger debuff, like lionfish venom
It can reach smth like 60 damage per tick, you can probably inflict it to like 10 segments or so
Das 600 extra dps, on early hardmode
And if youre playing MP you can probably amp that up to like 1.5k extra dps
With 2 players i mean
Long story short, worms are resistant to DoTs for a reason
Thanks for coming to my TED talk
Any other boss i dont mind, but worms getting DoTs is a no go
lost agate
Any other boss i dont mind
lost agate
Idk you made a trend i guess
hollow saffron
smh
sand umbra
anywho copying aside I wholeheartedly agree with this sugg
except I also feel this way about most Hardmode bosses
lost agate
Looks like prime does
sand umbra
Desu resists everything
Twins collectively only resist Confused
hollow saffron
also, shouldnt ichor not work on deity-type bosses like provi
its "the blood of gods" smh
sand umbra
Prime resists Poisoned, Venom, Confused, and On Fire! (his hands resist these as well)
along with Cursed Inferno, Shadowflame, Bone Javelins' DoT, Celled, and Daybroken on the head specifically
lost agate
A robot resisting heat has to be the oddest thing ever
sand umbra
you're tellin' me
hollow saffron
yeah
sand umbra
if anything, fire debuffs should actually do additional damage to the Mechs, or cause them to overheat, or something
sand umbra
tbf, vanilla debuff immunities are equally as wack as Calamity's (...for none of the same reasons, but that's not the point)
hollow saffron
lmao
hollow saffron
lc has mastered the art of deleting the blood of gods
not even the devourer of gods can burn him
lost agate
I mean, i guess you could excuse that as some sort of magic
hollow saffron
yes
sand umbra
you could, sorta?
but also from a design standpoint it's just really jarring
especially given that ML then loses every debuff immunity in the universe with the sole exception of Confused
sand umbra
...LC still dies in 2 seconds to anything on-tier even in vanilla
radiant pivot
Yeah lmao
sand umbra
he's squishy as all fuck
lost agate
Could have been 1 you know
sand umbra
shhh
hollow saffron
🤦♂️
lost agate
Confusion is like an abandones child tbh
sand umbra
I honestly wish Confusion was a more valid debuff
hollow saffron
confusion would be better if calamity was a minecraft mod ngl
invert mouse is horrible
lost agate
They could have made it to make bosses like freak out and shit but nah, theyre immune or only walk backwards
sand umbra
but then again I'm the same guy who wants Cursed to not be Silenced 2
hollow saffron
silenced bad
hollow saffron
ok non-mage
sand umbra
hollow saffron
cursed is so op that its basically retconned super hard
like you only get it for like 1 second at a time
lost agate
Tbh i just wanna do my own mod at this point
sand umbra
Cursed is literally Silenced on steroids
it cucks you out of using absolutely anything
hollow saffron
sir you haven't seen mining fatigue
sand umbra
which I think is stupid 
lost agate
If i do, you can see me in #other-mod-talk
hollow saffron
gl shuck
tepid root
cursed makes you unable to use hooks 
hollow saffron
make calamity for minecraft
sand umbra
yep
everything
tepid root
also healing potions probably
hollow saffron
yeah thats why its a curse
lost agate
Own mod means it wont be related to calam 
sand umbra
you can't hook, you can't mount, you can't use potions, you can't use weapons
for some reason you can move
tepid root
hollow saffron
but fr are there any plans to make calamity in minecraft
tepid root
cursed + confused + dazed sounds like an epic debuff
hollow saffron
cursed+confused+obstructed+dazed+creative shocl
there
now you cant move
+chilled
+frozen
+stoned
boom
karmic stone
but fr are there any plans to make calamity in minecraft
@ Vinni
lost agate
Yeah the thing you get by dipping your toes in cold water in vanilla
hollow saffron
vinni is doing it on bedrock
radiant pivot
True
tired haven
hollow saffron
honestly calamity in minecraft would be interesting
like the abyss could be accessed via an abyss portal
you could have sulphur seas generate near swamps/jungles/"dirty"biomes
and they would have said portal
maybe a deeper depth limt for the world could work too
etc
but thats besides the point
hollow saffron
More structures in the world
Reason: It could give a cool incentive to explore, such as having an actual charred idol shrine in the Crags that summons Brimmy when right clicked.
dang im coming up with s u g g s today
frail mantle
suggesting things relating to future content isn't allowed iirc
hollow idol
@ashen warren what he said ^
ashen warren
Oh
sinful swift
Pizza pie in the don'ts it mentions the rock will not be used for anything becuase it is meant to be an anti climax.
queen delta
Yes, please read the Suggestions Dont’s doc next time
ashen warren
I thought it would be cool since Xerox does run the boss rush
queen delta
ashen warren
I deleted my post
hollow idol
good emote
ashen warren
Are you allowed to discuss future updates in suggestions discussion
terse sundial
to an extent
sinful swift
They wont be seen
terse sundial
as long as it is relevant to a suggestion
ashen warren
Ok
terse sundial
an actual suggestion
ashen warren
So is there is nowhere you can talk about future updates
sinful swift
I would recommend some of the mod talk or general talk channels for that
sinful swift
ashen warren
Checking the pins is like reading a page 100 wikipedia page on the constitution
sinful swift
I did it in 5 mins
ashen warren
That's just for one channel tho
Every channel I go to there is a whole new set of rules
sinful swift
You just need to read the rules and don'ts doc if you want to suggest
versed tundra
Just read the rules of where you are, it's fine
sand umbra
CV I can understand but if you're taking Polterghast up to the surface you're doing it wrong
also I'm pretty sure most summons --- or most Calamity summons, at the least --- won't aggro on the Cultists while they're in their passive state
void kelp
using conclave crossfire => lunatic cultist has awoken! sometimes
distant gyro
you can always just destroy the dungeon entrance btw
frail mantle
^
gusty geode
Don't they still spawn as long as there's room
frail mantle
cultists don't spawn if you vibe check the blocks they're supposed to spawn on
distant gyro
if you destroy the part that's stuck out no
void kelp
if it’s actuated do they still spawn?
queen delta
Well, the pins are a resource
gusty geode
How would y'all feel about an Abyss enemy that's reminiscent of Levi in how it fights?
Iirc Levi is from the Abyss
And there's no way she's the only one of her kind out there
So it could be assumed there are others like her, just not as big
frosty dagger
Oh my God yes
gaunt karma
It's been a year since I suggested it, it may be due time to bring back up the suggestion, that dare I say passed last time it went through, to rename the Slag Magnum to the Slagnum
potent veldt
Im down
hollow shell
Reposting a delivered suggestion is kinda taboo but I suppose it's before the bluecheck date and the dev voting system change
so, should be fine
hallow hatch
karmic stone
Which can be bought from the Tinkekrer
fossil fern
still long time before the goblins come
split narwhal
Wdym
fossil fern
and at this stage they just die from touching you
karmic stone
How would buffing the goblins deal with the "long time before the goblins come"
ashen warren
what would be the explanation or status msg for buffed globin invasion?
karmic stone
Also at what point would this be, most buffed events/bosses are buffed because new drops are unlocked or smth
lost agate
Just, un summon your stuff 
Its not like a summon can make it go from 0 to 100 in a second
fossil fern
if they have as many hp as opponents at a solar eclipse they would not die immediately and ... would be real opponents and not whipping dolls
split narwhal
they are supposed to weak
karmic stone
Ok but why shouldn't they be
First Shadowflame is obtainable as soon as you eviscerate WoF
lost agate
Youre using post ml stuff with vs a early hardmode event thats mainly pre hardmode enemies
karmic stone
Solar Eclipse gets buffed after Yharon
lost agate
Were you expecting a goblin battle tank or wha
karmic stone
And it gets buffed because there are new drops
fossil fern
100% really takes seconds on the late game, especially with the minions
karmic stone
Define "late game"
lost agate
Are you using zerg and shit or what
split narwhal
Why would you want to do the goblins when you are at late game?
lost agate
Because theres not even enough enemies to get to 100% that fast
fossil fern
even without it it's fast and only 1 or 2 summoners come
gusty grail
Also there is a way to summon cultists
karmic stone
Again, you can just not kill anything that isn't a summoner
lost agate
Or.... Use a weaker summon.
fossil fern
after you defeat one, you cannot summon the second because the towers @gusty grail
gusty grail
Bruh
split narwhal
tinkerer sells battle standards, just farm them
gusty grail
Thats not meant to happen
fossil fern
gusty grail
Also you need to install fargo in that case
fossil fern
what is he doing
lost agate
My point is that theres a gazillion other ways to farm goblin summoner that doesnt require a nonsensical buff
Like theres not even much point to a buff because no boss relates to it and you get virtually nothing different
karmic stone
Frost Moon & Pumpkin Moon -> DoG -> buffed stats because of Endothermic Energy and Nightmare Fuel
Solar Eclipse -> Yharon P1 -> buffed stats because of Darksun Fragments
First Shadowflame is obtainable as soon as you kill WoF and that's the last change iirc
sand umbra
okay so I love the description of First Shadowflame as a campfire, that speaks to me on a personal level because it's straight-up exactly how I'd refer to it in a similar sugg
but also there's no reason for the Goblin Army to follow the way of the Blood Moon and get a post-ML buff with no real new content simply for the purpose of "these things are too weak with post-ML gear"
split narwhal
There's no good place to put the buffed event in between
sand umbra
that too
- the pre-existing four buffed events are already at a noticeable lack for new content
it'd be better to iron out the ones that already exist first before even considering adding a fifth
split narwhal
Expanding buffed solar eclipse/frost/pumpkin moon is a better idea
karmic stone
Also at what point would this be, most buffed events/bosses are buffed because new drops are unlocked or smth
No response hahaues
frail mantle
Dokuro isn't allowed to add the Calamity OST to Spotify because of coyright memes iirc
warm bane
not even yharon 2nd phase song
hollow shell
@warm bane Can't. Terraria legal team doesn't let us
warm bane
That's all I want really lol
distant gyro
not the first person to say that
warm bane
youtube
distant gyro
legal reasons be like 
distant gyro
it's under terraria
swift bison
~~Imagine not just downloading all the songs as .ogg files and playing them in vlc ~~
small talon
We got soundcloud already
warm bane
But it's under a mod that uses an separate launcher and everything 
frail mantle
"hey, everyone. just wanted to give you an update on the current status of the soundtrack. i had recently got in contact with re-logic over the possibility of publication on major platforms such as spotify/itunes. basically, while they're alright with distribution and sharing, they are not okay with me charging for the content. in short, it needs to be free, otherwise, there'd be some heavy legal ramifications running amok. i understand that a lot of you would like to support the two years of hard work that went into this soundtrack, and i appreciate that support, but i must follow the legal advice given to me. i apologize in advance if this has any of you extremely concerned for the future of the soundtrack, and deeply apologize to anyone who was requesting, demanding, or expecting the release of the soundtrack on itunes or spotify. thank you for your time."
hollow shell
The mod is inherently associated with Terraria
frail mantle
posted in #mod-announcements a while back
warm bane
Is there no way of publishing on Spotify for free?
I've never heard of free spotify songs tbh 😦 that sucks
small talon
If there would be i assume they would have already
hollow shell
Probably not, considering how the platform works
warm bane
What if there was a way to give the money to re-logic?
gusty geode
Wasn't there an announcement days later giving him the ok tho
hollow shell
I don't think Dokuro would be very happy about that...
frail mantle
^
warm bane
I can't wrap my head around Yharon's song breaking any laws though
frail mantle
you can buy the soundtrack on Bandcamp so i guess that's something
cobalt rose
you'll just have deal with it for now
tired haven
Pretty sure the "ok" was given in terms of "de-brand it completely and then it's ok"
warm bane
yeah that makes sense
Considering that's literally the youtube name
'terraria calamity'
agile cloud
just use soundcloud
warm bane
yeah i understand was just asking about spotify
gusty geode
Youtube/mp3 converter
agile cloud
i converted the whole ost
warm bane
saying use soundcloud isn't really a good answer lol. I'll just download the songs I like and upload it to private spotify
you can download your own songs for spotify its just super scuffed
agile cloud
why go through the trouble of uploading them when you can just use a custom playlist using a native music player
warm bane
Because I like spotify? 
agile cloud
i'm talking practicality here, but you do you
warm bane
how is using spotify, an app i have 12 playlists on, on my pc and on my phone not practical
sorry if i sound heated im not
agile cloud
but i cant know that you have multiple playlists
also, this is off topic now
dont want mods to get angry
time to move
tired haven
Either way, I guess I'd remove that one suggestion. It won't be able to become true anywhere near in future
cyan horizon
just zerg and spam the goblin invasion
tepid root
yeah uhh
you know that old one's army exists, right?
also why would calamity add this
frosty dagger
Seems redundant
void kelp
@final gorge ^^^
hallow kraken
Sounds very specific
hollow idol
event suggestion
hallow kraken
Also that’s literally just OOA
void kelp
it’s effectively an event sugma too
final gorge
thats fair, i forgot old ones army existed
tepid root
like everyone else
void kelp
nah that’s about it
harsh grove
had an idea since calamity adds dialogue to NPCs, but I'm putting it here first
what if town NPCs had extra dialogue while they're affected by the Love Potion?
hallow kraken
though it makes sense I feel as if it would be impractical
I can’t really think of a reason why to add that to specifically calamity
lilac mountain
What if love potion had cadence effect and decreased Prices and stuff
void kelp
but cadence potion already does that why would you want the main NPC benefit of it to be delegated to another potions
foggy plover
cuz love potion is useless otherwise
sand umbra
here's a better question: why does the Cadance Potion even have that effect in the first place
foggy plover
and imo doesnt really fit in with the recipe and the effect for the shop stuff is random in cadance
sand umbra
is there any purpose or reason to it whatsoever
foggy plover
^ ye that thomas
lilac mountain
Im not ssying it should replace it
foggy plover
gives love potion an effect and gives cadence a reason to have it
verbal hatch
love potion is pretty useless yeah
sand umbra
at least Yharim's Stimulants make some sorta sense
you gather a bunch of stat-boosting potions to make a widespread stat-boosting "potion" that might as well be a second Well Fed because the variety of potions you used to get it were widespread
harsh grove
for that matter, stink potions are even more useless
sand umbra
the Discount Card effect is thrown into a decent few random things in Calamity and Cadance is one of the things where having it makes...no sense
lilac mountain
Stink pots shoukd make enemies run away or something
sand umbra
why does smelling nice, having increased life, and having increased life regen cause people to lower their prices
foggy plover
how about give stink pots a rogue effect similar to abyssal mirror?
sand umbra
hell no
tired haven
Love potion be like 
verbal hatch
wait. Love and Stink affecting enemies...
harsh grove
I mean, I can kind of imagine stink potions causing targets to take increased damage
but we already have cursed inferno/ichor for that
verbal hatch
stink potion = fear
love potion = attraction (for a few seconds, affected enemies approach you and stop their attack - if they have any)
verbal hatch
obviously wouldn't work on bosses
harsh grove
...hmm, trying to imagine both cases now
foggy plover
ofc, but something like that would encourage early game fishing, go with new fishing stuffz, and give a useless item a reason to use it
harsh grove
Love on players: Increased aggro
Stink on players: Decreased aggro
Love on enemies: Decreased contact damage
Stink on enemies: Decreased movement speed
lilac mountain
Stink potions should be a second exo rogue weapon
sand umbra
for the aggro thing, I can. honestly get behind it
bonus points if it works in reverse for the undead
lilac mountain
That isnt celestus
foggy plover
wait wait, how bout throwing a stink potion on yourself gives some stealth?
sand umbra
no
foggy plover
lol
lilac mountain
Youd get rrduced stealth cause you stink
sand umbra
that isn't stealth
that's you smelling like shit
you are not stealthy, it's just that things don't want to approach you because you smell horrible
harsh grove
both would likely reduce stealth generation if we cared to look that far into it
harsh grove
smoke bombs, though...
foggy plover
^ thats what I was going for
harsh grove
smoke bombs are their own vanilla item
foggy plover
was focusing more on the gas effect than the stinky debuff itself
lilac mountain
Yeah along with random stuff like confetti gun
harsh grove
as for love/stink aggro working in reverse against undead
I started to think "wait how many undead enemies does terraria have"
sand umbra
you'd be surprised
harsh grove
and then I remembered that covers the entire dungeon
sand umbra
byeah, to name the big ones:
- every typical Zombie type there is
- the various Skeletons you can find underground (this includes Tim and Rune Wizards, mind you)
- basically everything in the Dungeon
also encompasses the majority of Solar Eclipse enemies, Wraiths, Floaty Grosses fsr, and the Tortured Soul
harsh grove
and the Bone Serpent, every Mummy...
sand umbra
this is all strictly speaking by vanilla wiki standards, btw
there are plenty of further conclusions you can draw on vanilla enemies
and I haven't even touched Calamity's enemy base yet
radiant meadow
Calamity wiki doesn't use the Undead enemy category
too ambiguous
but I guess you could consider overloaded soldier to be "undead"
harsh grove
I'm willing to assume that the Overloaded Soldier is calamity's only undead enemy
tepid root
probably not
split narwhal
Gotta increase their duration as well
potent veldt
Make Dragon Scales not be a 1-time-buy thing
Why?: While I see the point in "The bandit shouldn't be implied to have an infinite supply of actual dragon parts", I really don't see why these are an item you can only buy one time per world. They're a whopping 40 platinum, have no upgrades at all so equipping more than one or something similar isn't possible, and it just seems like a really random limitation on an item that can easily be lost, like just about any other item. Especially when the result of accidentally losing it leads to either having to cheat it back in, or having to go to a completely different world where Yharon-phase1 has to be beaten.
hollow shell
How often do you lose any item?
potent veldt
Shift-clicking is really easily spammable
Especially when the two things that shift-clicking does is stashing and trashing
hollow shell
Don't do it with the super expensive rare item in your inventory, lol
Alt-Click it, that'll prevent it from getting Shift-click trashed
potent veldt
It still just seems like more trouble than it could easily not be
Also, alternate suggestion
Eh, actually, nevermind
I was going to suggest that Dragon Scales not take 40 gold to reforge, which is the same pricing as Celestial Tracers, but I guess if they're that expensive to buy then it makes some sense why their reforge cost is next to an endgame accessory as well
I still think the 1-time-buy thing is a bit limiting
hollow shell
Perhaps.
Maybe it could be changed so that it gets restocked every time Yharon is killed
like she went out to loot his corpse
potent veldt
That would work out better
Could even just make it so she doesn't offer it if she sees you have it already
hollow shell
Well, then that's just a matter of putting it in a chest
potent veldt
I suppose, yeah
Also, thing I just noticed, even though I'm not quite sure if this is an alright sugg
Wait
Desert Fossils have no value?
hollow shell
I guess because they're a block
potent veldt
I thought they always had a value
Huh
I was gonna sugg that Celestial Remains have a value like Desert Fossils, but I guess not
hollow shell
I see
teal ibex
i mean, i'm gonna disagree with this suggestion on the sole principle that it pretty thoroughly destroys any unique identity this item has
i get that it opens up the possibility for error, but the thing shouldn't even be IN your inventory the majority of the time. it should be in your acc slot immediately, and if not there it should be in acc vanity. i have much less sympathy for trashing something like this than, say, trashing lore items, which are intended to be in the inventory
teal ibex
agreed
tired haven
If that would be a concern then losing shrine items sure as hell would be
and it kinda is for others but shhh
frail mantle
One thing to note is that since it’s a one-time-buy thing, if you’re playing Multiplayer and more than one player is Rogue, only one of them will get the chance to get the Dragon Scales
radiant meadow
the original idea was for the bandit to sell it (unlimitedly) when darksun was activated but before yharon was defeated
I think Dominic just misinterpreted the instructions and nobody bothered to change it
versed tundra
@fossil fern I don't know if you were already told, but the lunatic cultist's mask drops from enemies in the dungeon and abyss.
toxic kettle
Eidolists specifically
keen geyser
pretty sure he means the lunar cultist hood
toxic kettle
I mean the Ancient Cultist's Mask and the Lunar Cultist Hood are two different vanity items
I guess that person was looking for the Ancient Cultist's Mask, which Eidolists don't drop
wary canyon
wait isn’t there already a way to spawn cultist without pillars
Some eidolic tablet thing?
wary canyon
So the tablet just doesn’t work if pillars are active?
keen geyser
ye
wary canyon
ah ok
wary canyon
So it only exists for speed runners lol
keen geyser
basically
keen geyser
nope
frail mantle
sold by the Bandit
keen geyser
an accessory sold by the bandit, once per world
hollow saffron
what does it do i mean
fervent citrus
?
frail mantle
[[Dragon Scales]]
red stormBOT
fervent citrus
ah i understood
hollow saffron
thanks
wtf my school wifi didnt block the wiki
🦀
dang that seems op
combine that with like
celestus
and its insane
honestly it would be nice to have more pickaxe progression post-ML
or has that already been suggested
tired haven
It was suggested to remove some of the progression via nerfing gallant (xeroc) pickaxe 
queen sail
How would that work
tired haven
terse sundial
Dragon Scales were always intended to be a reward for checking bandit post-yharon p1
queen sail
Honestly I always found it weird that Gallant was by all means a Lunar tier pickaxe yet it was treated as the lunar tier pickaxe
verbal hatch
it honestly does make lunar pickaxes pointless
hollow saffron
yes
honestly gallant could be moved to post-provi
and blossom could be made a post-dog pick
just so lunar pickaxes still exist
tired haven
I'd rather see blossom kept post prov and new pickaxe post dog than this shuffle
fierce hedge
Oh. Well shit
Pretend like i said nothing, i'll just take my planter boxes and leave-
hallow kraken
blossom pickaxe is literally the only reason why prov is required for a scal low boss run iirc
cyan lagoon
@hallow kraken yharon
hallow kraken
I thought he doesn’t get mad anymore
tired haven
Actually I think I didn't have pwnhammer in inventory even since like golem, that's how sad it gets for hammers
Also no, yharon can be fought without those now iirc
tired haven
Was a change supposed to help speedruns and variety
Not 100% sure it made it in tho
arguably locking yharon behind those two was more obscure feature
queen sail
Who mentioned a post dog pickaxe
tired haven
queen sail
I dunno I came in here seeing someone mention adding a pickaxe post dog
tired haven
If you mean that part https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/672126097151885329 , it's nothing but thoughts
hollow saffron
cosmilite pickaxe when
tired haven
It probably counts as SIS so
queen sail
:echceasebegone:
ashen warren
Does anyone think it would be cool if CA added new dungeons with post moonlord items that are randomly scattered underground after a certain boss like moonlord or providence has been defeated. This could make mining for uielibloom and other post moon lord ores less tedious. I always felt that once you get into post ML there was nothing left to explore and the only thing left was bosses and grinding