suggestions-discussion

[dense ferry]

My suggestion is that it is the space in between dimensions (such as the distortion) where a bunch of horrors beyond comprehension live.

You won't BELIEVE what the Distortion is

[vocal wedge]

So that's where they put Phantom Ganon.

[gilded citrus]

Idk why but this suggestion just really fucking implodes my mind

[plush flame]

this has to be the most cluebed sugg ever

[limber drift]

Wait is this suggestion trying to suggest what like the place fovos’ from or something like what because like that already has lore

[tepid crown]

theyre asking that the "broken spacetime" in mls bestiary entry to be expanded on, not realising its literally just the distortion

[deft yew]

It would probably help if the mod waited to implement any of its future lore subjects whatsoever before the lore itself

Er, vice versa

[gilded citrus]

Calamity waits 5000 years before anything is added

[dense ferry]

On one hand, I agree. On the other, if we did that we'd be waiting for 35 trillion years to add any meaningful story beats to the mod

[tepid crown]

also how would that like. fix anything

[dense ferry]

It wouldn't

[tepid crown]

unless there was a giant "MOON LORD WAS HERE" sign in the distortion, this would still occur when the distortion is added

[dense ferry]

Like, current lore implementation isn't even that bad rn, it just could be a lot better

But if you want us to wait until the Distortion to talk about anything from the Distortion that's just madness

Waiting for the central content to be in the game to talk about other things related to it is just asking for nothing to ever be added ingame

Extreme example, but imagine if we waited until Yharim was added to add the lore items

[north oracle]

Nothing may reference yharim until he exists

The story must be crafted to avoid mentioning any impact he had on the world

[deft yew]

If the mod was finished there would be no reason to add Lore Items

[dense ferry]

Yes there would

Because they are Literally The Central Point Of The Story

[indigo yacht]

to be fair yharim is going to be one of the last things in the mod, and everything else leads up to him
whereas the distortion is something that appears post ml and there's presumably already stuff ingame that's supposed to happen after you interact with it

[spare bison]

Lore items with better implementation such as the idea of the sending stone thingamajing would fix most of the issues with then methinks

[dense ferry]

Yeah, again

[dense ferry]

.

[deft yew]

Lore Items as in the ones that are literally called Lore Items and just tell you everything about the boss upfront

[indigo yacht]

subnautica scanner gun

[dense ferry]

Ok true but that's a bit besides the point

[spare bison]

Lore Items (God i hate the fact they're called that) are at their best when they're not intended or are fullfilling the role of Infodump about Boss but rather specifically as a way to characterize Yharim and see his perspective on things

[dense ferry]

Point is that waiting for the content nucleus to be in the mod to talk about the things related to it indepth is a very bad way of going around lore implementation

[gilded citrus]

why would they entirely not exist if the mod was finished

[tepid crown]

lore items is just as valid as a name as legendary items tbh. community made names that have basically only stuck because of the wiki

[spare bison]

Yeah they aren't even really called that ingame

It's mostly just a community term that got highly popularizes

[dense ferry]

They're called Whispers

[gilded citrus]

Whispers

[dense locust]

technically they're never explicitly called lore items ingame

[dense ferry]

That's their official name

[dense locust]

should that be changed on the wiki do you think

[dense ferry]

Yes

[spare bison]

Part of the reason why some of the lore items feel more infodump-y iirc is because they were added early on as just a way to introduce alot of the concepts being added in the lore rewrite when there wasn't really

much of any other way to do so

[dense ferry]

As I always say

Calamity Lore was written in a cave with a box of scraps

The box of scraps in question being the Whispers

[spare bison]

I haven't read them in a while but i do expect some of the more infodumpy ones to be rewritten or edited in the future

[fossil finch]

Ideally the mod would've never really relied on them as its method of anything

[dense ferry]

They will

Also I forgot to do this I didn't think I'd be talking here for so long

[fossil finch]

i think keeping them in the rewrite is kinda silly because you've now locked yourself into having them in some way because they're now literally the plot

Which is kinda silly imo

But oh well

Idt it's that horrendous of a choice

[spare bison]

The idea is to replace them with something else in the future afaik

The sending stone thingamajing

[dense ferry]

Ahem

Anyways

[fossil finch]

yeah but that's just rlly kinda better presentation and idk

[gilded citrus]

That’s not really changing them as a fundamental idea afaik

[spare bison]

I think the main issue with them is presentation and again the fact some of them deviate from what would be their ideal purpose of characterizing yharim to just act like infodumps

[fossil finch]

like now the mod relies on them cuz yharim talking to u is central but it didn't like have to. Executing them better fixes most of thse problems but i think it's kinda silly still

[dense ferry]

The story of the player and to some extent Yharim's was written around the Whispers, yeah, but acting as if they're somehow holding us back by this point is silly

We would've written them out if we thought they were

[fossil finch]

😶

[dense ferry]

But they aren't because they're just about the best way you can convey what we want

[drowsy plank]

i mean by design they are tell not show so that's always going to be bumpy

[dense ferry]

A story isn't made entirely of showing you need some telling

[fossil finch]

yeah but, to be fair, yharim telling u bullshit is pretty arbitrary and awkward. Why does he give a shit anytime before like. Evils

[vocal wedge]

Bored?

[dense ferry]

And also as Cheese said they won't even be telling a lot anyways it's not like Yharim will look at you and go "hey this is my story and my entire character" that's something you're gonna pick up over time with his stuff

[spare bison]

I mean yeah i think hes genuinely just fucking bored at first lmao

I think

if there was a clear progression in the whispers

At first it dosen't seem like yharim has any particular interest in you and is just kind of watching you since, well

dude dosen't really have much to do in the aerie besides Train and Talk to Yharon. having something else to look into might be interesting

[dense ferry]

I mean someone just hit him up on the Stone Hotline and he has nothing better to do anyways, it's 5 minutes of his day every week or so

[spare bison]

But after a while it becomes more targetted and more like he's actively trying to Spread the Agenda

that'd be pretty good

[vocal wedge]

Yharim just wanted a pen pal.

[spare bison]

currently iirc the first few whispers already have yharim painting you in a more grandiose light but i again havent read them in a while so iddrm the details

but going forward with the changes planned and allat this sort of progression for em would be pretty swaggers and is something i figure would happen

[dense ferry]

Besides even from the start Yharim can notice that you are building a town and shit so getting you on his side is literally just a free endeavor

Like

[vocal wedge]

He talks about how beating Eye of Cthulhu is how you prove you're really cool historically.

[dense ferry]

He can convince a pretty promising upstart to build an entire settlement in the Heartlands under his name by just talking to them for five minutes every week?

Why the fuck wouldn't he take that

[drowsy plank]

what if you just dont

[dense ferry]

Worst case scenario the upstart dies horribly and he wasted some time, of which he has a lot of

[drowsy plank]

what if ur a surface chest warrior

[dense ferry]

Stone manufacturer

[vocal wedge]

What if you speedrun?

[gilded citrus]

Then yharim does meth idk

[dense ferry]

But like regardless Yharim getting you on his side is a trivial task and he has nothing to lose besides 5 minutes every week and a decent bit to gain in terms of logistics and allowing his legacy to be carried on

[drowsy plank]

that is kinda what i was implying like the previous motivation is dependent on the assumption that you. actually build NPC housing

[dense ferry]

He has no reason not to indulge whoever hit him up on the Stone Hotline, is my point

[drowsy plank]

i guess how you get the stone is going to be chalked up to dubious terrarian lore then

[fossil finch]

Yharim getting u on his side does literally nothing to the plot at the moment so i mean its just kinda

[dense ferry]

Why wouldn't it do anything? He's getting you on his side

This isn't Yharim's story, it's the player's story

[drowsy plank]

what does that mean though

[fossil finch]

yeah but like. The player doesn't

[dense ferry]

What does what mean?

[drowsy plank]

"getting you on his side"

[fossil finch]

The player can't like. Act on a choice of sides here

He's doing it for like

[tepid crown]

be racist

[fossil finch]

Nothing that actually happens or affects the plot of the game

[tepid crown]

he wants you to be racist

[dense ferry]

Yet

[fossil finch]

[drowsy plank]

i mean the terrarian does just kind of kill everything that moves so

mission accomplished, i guess...?

[dense ferry]

Do you really think that we're going to write a story where the most important part of it is whether or not the player agrees with Yharim's ideology, and then NOT make situations where that is important?

Sure they aren't ingame yet but this is just another "Calamity is unfinished" scenario where there isn't shit to argue because it doesn't even exist yet

[fossil finch]

#doit

[dense ferry]

Anyways I'm hungry Imma go eat dinner

[dense ferry]

Eh

It'd be boring as fuck

[drowsy plank]

there's no way it could be more boring than boss rush

[dense ferry]

Ascended endgame would just be the player cruising through everything because you'd be literally unbeatable

[limber drift]

Imagine you ascend but like your character just turns into a journey mode character and just like gets referred to god of change or something

[dense ferry]

Also that's a very binary way of viewing it

Agreeing and disagreeing with Yharim isn't "commit genocide" or "ascend to godhood"

[tepid crown]

it forces dragonlens on you

[glass arch]

secret third option

agree with providence

ascend to godhood AND commit genocide

[dense ferry]

Ascending to godhood is also just like

Pure hype moments and aura with no real substance ngl

It doesn't do anything really special besides getting Yharim really angry ig

And also being an implementation nightmare

[drowsy plank]

honestly this whole conversation is nothing burger

like a lot of suggestions

it's well known lore items fucking suck already

[dense ferry]

Also also also I don't want to spend an entire year developing and writing for an entirely different endgame

Shocker: I don't want to work on Calamity until my 30s

[tepid crown]

im pretty sure this is just removing every tile and wall you can

[drowsy plank]

hypothetical solution to lore items from suggestions that will never exist vs. non-existing code that exists only in design docs that unless they are scraped the public will never see until they are already in the game

[tepid crown]

because then nothing can spawn

[drowsy plank]

not true
you gotta put yourself in a death box so you can't spawn either

[tepid crown]

well auric does exist for a reason

[limber drift]

Don’t like wyverns and harpies not need blocks to spawn
You need to actually fill in every single tile in the world

[tepid crown]

dies

ofc they do that

[limber drift]

I wonder why providence even wants to like kill everything

[drowsy plank]

does the lore item/bestiary not explain this

[errant wren]

for funsies, obviously

[fossil finch]

no its not rlly explained

[limber drift]

I mean like why did she end up having the kill everything ideology exactly like I know its cause she thinks life is suffering or something but why did she think that

[fossil finch]

pristine fury explains she really hated that bitch dragon but it doesnt exactly have her thesis statement about why she wants to do all that

[dense ferry]

Providence is fucking awesome I love my chud omnicidal

[fossil finch]

shes just like grrrr they will se e my revenge which is taken in the form of me killing everyone?

[gilded citrus]

Providence is gay i think

[tepid crown]

shes a chud

[dense ferry]

She's obviously a lot more than just that her story is only like, 50% included in the mod right now

[tepid crown]

she wants to kill everyone because shes angry at the world and lost a lot of things

[dense ferry]

You already know basically everything about her before she ascended the question is what happened after

[limber drift]

She had three loving “party members” why did she decide life is suffering

[errant wren]

maybe she just wanted a dr pepper

[tepid crown]

no she was actually hungry and needed a snickers

because as we all know

you arent you when youre hungry

[gilded citrus]

Horses would know

[dense ferry]

That's right

Providence redemption arc where you feed her

[gilded citrus]

How many horses to feed her…

[tepid crown]

at least one

[errant wren]

and she fights alongside you against yharim 🔥

[limber drift]

Does she even have a mouth still though she doesn’t look like she can still eat anything

[vocal wedge]

Because she's a deluded and violent person who can't accept what she has.

[drowsy plank]

you feed her like a fire duh

throw sticks into her

[limber drift]

She had 3 loving girlfriends I like If I was in that situation i would be grateful and not like kill everything

[tepid crown]

this just gave me an idea for a mary sue terrarian that just recruits all the major characters against yharim

[drowsy plank]

pacifist run

[limber drift]

Cnidrion would come in clutch in the yharim fight fr

[tepid crown]

providence and amidias are friends now how heartwarming 💞 🥰

[vocal wedge]

"'Cause we're Calamity Heroes!"

[drowsy plank]

yharim, preparing for an epic sword showdown:
me, giving my cnidrion a focus sash after teaching it endeavor:

[tepid crown]

😨

[limber drift]

But what if yharim has multi-hit moves

[drowsy plank]

no he doesnt 😇

[vocal wedge]

Check YOMIH.

[errant wren]

that's where the goat Fearless Goldfish Warrior comes in

duh

[limber drift]

Double punch is a viable option on him actually

[tepid crown]

yharim is just an ubers chud who has 1050 on the showdown ladder he has never heard of fear before

[limber drift]

Swift swim + fishious rend + rain fearless goldfish warrior would go crazy

[vocal wedge]

Just wait until Yharim uses Metronome, THE LORDE was foreshadowing all along.

[limber drift]

Yharim used self destruct!
Yharim fainted…

[vocal wedge]

How do you know he doesn't have Damp?

[drowsy plank]

why the fuck would he have damp

[limber drift]

What else would he have

[drowsy plank]

literally any other ability

[north oracle]

yharim should have scale shot

[vocal wedge]

I'm sure his armour comes with moisturizer so his charred flesh doesn't dry out.

[drowsy plank]

give him good as gold to piss everyone off

[north oracle]

he just throws yharon's feathers at you

[limber drift]

(But Actually I’d imagine hed have unseen fist or something)

[dense locust]

supreme overlord clearly

[tepid crown]

he would have reflavoured rough skin

[limber drift]

What type would he be though? Fighting/Dragon? Fighting/Steel? Fighting/Dark

[errant wren]

actually his ability is "Yharim"

[vocal wedge]

Electric/Dragon.

[north oracle]

can we give him rocky helmet too

[dense locust]

built in red card
you hit him and the mon gets auric rejected and forced to swap and also gets paralyzed

[limber drift]

Gigantamax Yharim when

[errant wren]

yharim has every gimmick since gen 6

[vocal wedge]

Yharim should have a gun.

[errant wren]

that's his neutral special

[limber drift]

Yharim’s signiture Z-move: Auric Chair-obliterating punch of Godslaying

[drowsy plank]

persona 5 mentioned

[drowsy plank]

honestly a steel chair they normally use for wrestling being made of auric instead sounds really funny

[limber drift]

Would yharim be like a bulky physical attacker or like more of a fast physical attacker I wonder

[tepid crown]

he would be all 3 cuz fuck you

[drowsy plank]

considering auric armor is more defensive, prolly bulky

but that's just vibes

[vocal wedge]

Yharim is a glass cannon but it's bulletproof glass.

[north oracle]

what's yharim's terastallization

[vocal wedge]

Dragon type again.

[drowsy plank]

imagining beowulf from skullgirls but his chair is like putting knockback 255 on a minecraft sword

[limber drift]

He has like 200 defence and spedef but like 30 hp cos like hes kind of a old person undernethe armour

[lucid marsh]

Make an auric slap hand that's just an auric folding chair

[tepid crown]

dragon

[north oracle]

more dragon type

[errant wren]

yharim type

[tepid crown]

bro wants to be dragon so badly ofc his terastilisation would be dragon type

[drowsy plank]

@ sunny you should add this it would be funny

[lucid marsh]

Make it ignore knockback immunity

[vocal wedge]

Add Auric Bullets as an upgrade to Meteorite Bullets.

[tepid crown]

grand dad 2!!!!!

[drowsy plank]

that's just grand dad- yeah

[lucid marsh]

Oh

[drowsy plank]

i thought it would be funnier if it was an rogue weapon so your just throwing out dozens of chairs with a million knockback

i swear this is a good idea guys

[lucid marsh]

I mean even on bosses

Make grand dad knock back bosses

[drowsy plank]

that

is what grand dad does

like only after u kill scal and exos but

that is what grand dad does

you could use it on boss rush ig but grand dad having that effect has always been a meme

[lucid marsh]

Holy shit this is funny

I never knew about this

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[limber drift]

I wonder what type other calamity bosses would be 🤔

[vocal wedge]

Last time I gave a type chart people got upset.

[limber drift]

I dunno why but I weirdly feel like dog would be a combination of either steel, psychic or for some reason poison feels wierdly fitting to me

[vocal wedge]

I said Steel/Dragon.

[limber drift]

I kinda feel like dragon should realistically be kept to either dragons, offshoots and maybe gods sometimes

[lucid marsh]

DoG should be psychic type

[limber drift]

Steel/psychic would probably make the most sence

[lucid marsh]

Yeah

Pokemon uses psychic for alien stuff

[limber drift]

Almost every space themed pokemon is psychic

[drowsy plank]

if necrozma is psychic DoG should be psychic because DoG is eldritch and last i checked necrozma is trying to fill a similar niche

most occultish pokemon are either ghost or psychic, but dog being steel/psychic really does make the most sense

[limber drift]

I’d imagine he’d either get like psychic surge or levitate as an ability

[glass arch]

ghost tends to be a lot more stereotypical ghost psychic is going more in the occult/this is really fucked up/abnormal route

[vocal wedge]

Necrozma is Psychic because it's light themed.

And it's Dragon because it's really strong and also a dragon.

[limber drift]

Would calamitas be like Fire/Ghost I wonder
Cos like ghosts aren’t alway literally the ghost themselves

[worthy lintel]

what does dark type encompass

[vocal wedge]

I had her as Dark/Fire.

[glass arch]

scal i think would be psychic/fire
brimmy is more ghost/fire

[limber drift]

Brimmy has nothing to do with ghosts though

[vocal wedge]

She's like a manifestation though.

[worthy lintel]

fire/rock

[glass arch]

you could make an argument for either ghost/fire or psychic/fire on brimmy but she leans more towards ghost/fire to me

[tepid crown]

the dark type encompasses either literal darkness (like the night) or metaphorical darkness (being evil and or unkind)

[glass arch]

in fact dark is natively evil type iirc

[limber drift]

Yeah but like dark doesn’t mean the pokemon is literally evil

Also calamitas is a necromancer she definitely would be more ghost than dark

[keen zodiac]

#pokemon-discussion

[worthy lintel]

its funnier if you let minor digressions happen

is draedon pure steel

[limber drift]

Steel/psyhic maybe cos like hes the smart guy

Maybe electric/psychic to not overlap with dog

[glass arch]

nah not psychic that implies a more magical nature

pure steel i think is best

[limber drift]

Also like since shes the heat elemental she probably would work best as a pure fire type

I’d say hes psychic because like he gives me beeheeyem vibes

Also cos like the future paradox swords of justice are also psychic

[mossy pelican]

No she’s the brimstone elemental

[vocal wedge]

Dark because her fire magic is messed up and has bad vibes.

[limber drift]

But like anahita would be pure water type cos shes the water elemental I feel

[gilded citrus]

Anahita also has ice powers and ice elementals are split off from her

[limber drift]

Yeah and like garganacl can use earthquake but isn’t a ground type

She herself isn’t icy she would just get ice moves

[gilded citrus]

Well you have organs

[errant wren]

hot take: cryogen is ice type

[mossy pelican]

Thats just cryogonal

[limber drift]

Cryogen is just cryogonal’s evolution

[tepid crown]

this is a cold take actually because cryogen makes it cold

[limber drift]

Also crazy idea what if crabulon was a split crabrawler evolution or something called infestacean and was Ghost/Psychic

[mossy pelican]

Ghost bug

Because its a crab

[gilded citrus]

Parasect

[limber drift]

If it were a dwebble evolution that could work

Wait what type would dragonfolly be?

[mossy pelican]

Dragon

Dragon bug

The first of it’s kind

[limber drift]

It like would make so much sense as dragon, bug, electric or flying

[gilded citrus]

Dragon flying since its going to sky boss iirc

Perfs are dark fighting imo
Dark due to evil essence
Fighting cause war god

[limber drift]

Hive mind would probably be like poison/dark or poison/psychic

Wait what type would slime god be?

[drowsy plank]

slime/god

idk poison/fairy?

[limber drift]

I kinda feel like it would have a type changing ability

But like I kinda feel like normal could work (like how arceus silvally, regiggas, porygon, terapagos, etc. are “normal type”)

[vocal wedge]

Slime God would be Normal.

With Protean.

[limber drift]

I’d imagine colour change since like that would be it absorbing the attack that hits it

Also cos it would be bad competitively like how slime god is a weak boss

[kind laurel]

okay hi how is everyone and why are we talking about what Pokemon types Calamity characters are

[vocal wedge]

Why not?

[kind laurel]

Point taken

[limber drift]

Conversation going off topic happens a lot

[kind laurel]

Because it's always fun

[limber drift]

But yeah uhhh old duke would probably be like a poison/dragon type maybe where its teh final stage of like pigron -> duke fishron -> old duke

[half imp]

old duke would be old/poison type

[kind laurel]

Calamity Mod suggestion: give every weapon and every enemy a Pokemon type

[half imp]

special unique type just for him

[limber drift]

old duke would be a genwunner

[vocal wedge]

Close enough, welcome back Mod of Redemption.

[limber drift]

The old type is weak to fairy, steel, dark and stellar since back in his day these newfangled types didn’t exist

[kind laurel]

DoG is psychic/dark
Psychic is the most space-y one and Dark because he's a jerk

[vocal wedge]

Yeah but DoG can't go space because he sucks.

[limber drift]

I feel like signus would make more sense as psychic/dark

[fleet grotto]

to me dog is dark dragon or maybe steel

[kind laurel]

Exos are pure steel

[limber drift]

Ceaseless would probably be dark/steel

[fleet grotto]

no i'm not saying dog is a dragon jjm saying he has draconic elements

[vocal wedge]

I said Steel/Dragon but noooo...

[kind laurel]

Aureus is poison/fairy and Deus is poison/steel as a reference to the former making orgainic hit sounds and the latter making metallic ones

[limber drift]

Pokemon mostly tries to keep dragon type for actual dragons and stuff with reason other than just looks like a dragon like with dog

[kind laurel]

EoC wouldn't be flying, it would just have Levitate as an ability

[limber drift]

Also plaguebringer woudl probably be poison/bug but with steelworker

[kind laurel]

Just because it's airborne doesn't make it flying

[limber drift]

Also deerclops is still a deer so ice/normal would probably work better

[fleet grotto]

even an argument for ice/dark

[limber drift]

I’d imagine it would get shadow claws to represent the shadow hands

[kind laurel]

Redesigning every boss to be a pokemon sounds like a really funny idea actually

[limber drift]

I also feel like empress would probably be pure fairy since like there are a lot of airborne pokemon that aren’t fairy, albeit I could see bug

[kind laurel]

I'm writing this down

[fleet grotto]

flying with wings

considered queen slime but wanted to make them different

[limber drift]

Butterfly wings so bug type

Also flygon isn’t flying yet it flies with wings

[kind laurel]

Fairy/Flying QS and Fairy/Bug Empress

[limber drift]

Also volbeat and illumise

[kind laurel]

Your type choices wll be recorded and saved for later
👁️ 👁️

[limber drift]

Leviathan being rock type is a little odd

[kind laurel]

meatball attack

[limber drift]

Yeah but like it itself isn’t rock-like for its physical properties

It would probably just learn rock blast

[kind laurel]

Just explaining their logic, I agree

[limber drift]

Elementals being the type that corresponds to their element + Fairy is actually smart though

[fleet grotto]

i initially considered water dragon but ultimately decided to hold back

[kind laurel]

Imo Fairy should be mostly a Hallow thing

[limber drift]

That would be funny for like a game to lock an entire type to like halfway into a game

[kind laurel]

And maybe Prov but she might follow EoL logic and be bug

[kind laurel]

WoF is sealing Hallow so it can be Fairy

[limber drift]

Prov should be fire/rock imo

Wof being fairy is kinda crazy though

[fleet grotto]

iAm very proud of the wof typing

[limber drift]

Like pure dark makes more sense to me

[fleet grotto]

literally when you kill it
"The spirits of light and dark have been released"

or some shit

[vocal wedge]

Devs please remove the crystals Providence has nothing to do with rocks.

[fleet grotto]

it holds Both

[kind laurel]

It being a fairy type makes no sense but something about that makes it really endearing to me

[limber drift]

Ash is just tiny rocks

[kind laurel]

This fleshy horror is a fairy for some reason and it's great

[fleet grotto]

i just said why

[limber drift]

Like I get it but it itself doesn’t seem to fit as fairy outside of the souls thing

[kind laurel]

ik just out of context

Looking at design rather than lore

I'm listing all these and writing Dark/Fairy for it

[limber drift]

Also If this were ever a thing making the secondary types of the exo mechs and non-exos would probably be better

Like make retinazer electric/flying and thanatos electric ground could make more sense

[kind laurel]

Calamitas Dark or Ghost

[mossy pelican]

What about fovenator

[kind laurel]

Both demonic and necromantic elements so I'm torn

If three types were legal I'd give Fire/Dark/Ghost

but no

[limber drift]

Shes a necromancer like the most-ghost related thing

[kind laurel]

I think Fire/Dark with an ability that gives Ghost stab would be best?

Either that or Fire/Ghost w/ Dark STAB

[limber drift]

Her brothers would definitely be like ghost/fighting and ghost/steel

[kind laurel]

forgot they existed but yeah

[limber drift]

And like having them all share ghost would be logical

[kind laurel]

But she's alive though

[limber drift]

So is mimikyu

[kind laurel]

Wouldn't it be good contrast to say "This one is alive?"

[deft yew]

Dark because it’s a horrible evil demon and Ghost because it’s lost media

[kind laurel]

Just in the context of the fight

[north oracle]

this is pretty off topic for the channel
it's a cool conversation though so go take over cmt for a while or smthing

[limber drift]

Also most ghosts aren’t even dead like sableye

[mossy pelican]

This guy gets it

[kind laurel]

Okay

done

[tepid crown]

its found media actually
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv42GaYOGlk

[indigo yacht]

we should add this to calamity

[limber drift]

I have actually had some ideas for like a terraria themed pokemon pokedex with like pokemon based on things from terraria

[tepid crown]

we should banish you to the prism

[limber drift]

Fovenator more like foidenator am I right?

[lavish yoke]

steel

?

[limber drift]

What

[lavish yoke]

steel type

[lucid marsh]

Exo mechs should all be steel and stellar type

Miracle matter should be stellar type

[deft yew]

stellar?

[novel belfry]

yeah theres a new type introduced in pokemon scarlet violet

its weird

[lucid marsh]

It's not really a normal type

It's more like "this pokemon is typeless but it takes extra damage from the generational gimmick"

Or something like that. I don't remember exactly

[limber drift]

It is super effective on terastalised pokemon but neutral on all others as a type but only two moves can be it offensively

[lucid marsh]

And only one pokemon can be it I think

Wait no, you can only terastalize into it

[limber drift]

Yeah its only terastalizable

Any pokemon can become it but terapagos can only be terastalysted into stellar

[grave zinc]

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[limber drift]

Yay spadefish might actually be taken out back and shot 🎉 🎉 🎉

Put that poor fish out of its misery

[tame vigil]

done, suspicious scrap now consistently drops from exos at a 10% chance

[limber drift]

No that would be too late
Make it only drop from mechdusa since shes in the right tier

[keen zodiac]

genuinely though it should drop from burrower

they're relatively rare and inconvenient to kill

[limber drift]

Actually wait make suspicious scrap a 1/10000 chance to be gotten by extractinating power cells

[worthy fractal]

wof fairy???

[craggy girder]

spirits of light and dark

[worthy fractal]

oh yeah perfs should have fire type

[limber drift]

??? Why fire type

They have nothing to do with fire

[gilded citrus]

Fighting type makes more sense then fire

[drowsy plank]

they're probably going to argue something about burning blood despite the fact that is obviously referring to the kind of burning from getting a fever or rashes

[limber drift]

Also like by that logic doesn’t eoc also infict that debuff so theyd be fire

[drowsy plank]

yeahhhh lmfao

[worthy fractal]

nah tbh i just thought the thing they shoot looks like fire

[drowsy plank]

huh

[keen zodiac]

also it's a sickness debuff

[kind laurel]

Perf is fire because it's red

[keen zodiac]

it's red because it wants to kill you

[limber drift]

Its red cos its in the biome effectively called the red

[mossy pelican]

It is red because it is enraged

[limber drift]

Its actually red because you can’t place them there

[errant wren]

it's red because when you think of a stop sign you think of a red stop sign and when you see a stop sign you have to stop and you want to stop the spread of the red

[indigo yacht]

this isnt house of leaves get outta here

[keen zodiac]

but you can just look at your health...?

how would this even work

[craggy girder]

the "also it would be really cool" feels pointed towards my permafrost sugg

what does blood boiler do again?

[keen zodiac]

flamethrower that drains your health to shoot

[craggy girder]

why does this need a hotbar bar

[keen zodiac]

no idea

[craggy girder]

you have this miraculous bar called Your Health Bar

perhaps if it made some particles around you when you were low? i guess????

[keen zodiac]

@lost spire could you perhaps explain better

[lucid marsh]

Magic weapons don't show your mana count so like

It's fine

[drowsy plank]

@lost spire yes as xzier said, im flagging this because "it would be cool" is not good reasoning and there is already a bar for that. it is called your health

so unless you have a better reason this isn't going through

[worthy lintel]

if someone brings up an item that causes ear damage and asks to change it because it would be cool, could it pass

🐟

[indigo yacht]

causing ear damage is good enough reason to change it alone

[glass arch]

yeah

[half imp]

go my prismatic breaker suggestion that's about to be posted

[drowsy plank]

no cause i would redirect them to #1052323733961977947 to get it changed faster because that's clearly not intentional/urgent fix

[half imp]

ehh

it might be intentional

that doesn't mean it's good

[drowsy plank]

okay well then it's just a bad idea and still goes to #1052323733961977947 for accessibility reasons like any sort of overexaggerated visuals for photosensitivity configs/reasons

[half imp]

But like putting prismatic breaker, for example, in bug reports would just be not correct

[deft yew]

go my prismatic breaker suggestion that was posted and got me asked to delete it because i didn't ask the dedicatee just to lower the volume of a sound

[drowsy plank]

another reason these things should go in #1052323733961977947

[deft yew]

i would not have thought something that isn't a bug goes in the bug channel

[drowsy plank]

i mean if it's a typo or for accessibility

it's just way faster to send it there

we don't need people voting on changes like that

[glass arch]

alternatively yell at a dev

[lucid marsh]

Why would I bother sending bug reports when they get ignored for fucking months

[worn elk]

I hate when the channel gets cleared before I can read it :((((((

[limber drift]

Atom splitter is a cool name but like yeah on the weapon it doesn’t really make sense

Honestly it kinda sounds like it could be a cool name for like magic gun weapon drop from exos or something especially since theres no magic exo drops if I remember correctly

[hollow idol]

im neutral on the sugg, but heres the atom splitter name lore

[keen zodiac]

march 2021 👴

[limber drift]

over 5 years ago

[craggy girder]

dont fucking say that

[worthy fractal]

💀

[limber drift]

Its crazy that in 2021 calamity mod was like half the age it is this year

[limber drift]

Why do all the channels all randomly be like listed as unread but when opened nothing has been said

[humble scarab]

bots

scam bots

[gilded citrus]

When a hacked account or bot sends a message in most channels even when the messages are deleted discord does not remove the light up

[humble scarab]

which gets instantly removed

[limber drift]

Oh okay that makes sense

[worthy fractal]

I still dont get how people fall for scams

[limber drift]

Theres over like 250k people here theres gonna be at least a couple people who fall for them here even just by misclicking on them

[craggy girder]

if i flip one coin its a 50/50 i land heads

if i flip ten coins, its a 50/50 run 10 times, which is over odds

if i flip a thousand, its 50/50 * 1000

law of large numbers im half sure

[kind laurel]

I think the pandemic permnently screwed up my brain because 2019-2024 register to be about the same year

[craggy girder]

eventually SOMEONE must fall

[frail mantle]

some people just have never learnt internet safety

even if they might be few and far between, as mentioned when you have 250k people here the chances of someone being yoinked are pretty high

[worthy fractal]

yeah but its so many

[worthy fractal]

real

[humble scarab]

250k might seem low, but its still big number

[gilded citrus]

250K is a massive fucking size

[humble scarab]

and from what i heard, the mrbeast casino scammers buy the hacked accounts

to send those bots

[north oracle]

Unfortunately half of them are of below average intelligence

[frail mantle]

even if only 0.1% of people in the server fall for it, that's still 250 people

[mossy pelican]

Its like five a day I swear 😭

[limber drift]

That is only ~ 0.002% of the people here like it makes sense that like that amount could end up getting hackdd

[mossy pelican]

I know.

I said it because another just happened

[limber drift]

It is kinda weird that like basically at least one shows happens every day

Like has there ever been a day without a scam

[frail mantle]

not in a long time

[drowsy plank]

i dont

@zealous aspen of course gleaming magnolia looks like mana rose it's a fuckin upgrade of mana rose

actually no yeah i cant let this pass you're also mentioning future content for vanilla which isnt even in base terraria yet which is a pretty big rule violation

[indigo yacht]

you can extend this logic to a lot of other things, like the magic guns and a lot of themed weapons

[drowsy plank]

how do people not confuse weapons within the same weapon set

[indigo yacht]

there's 8 zillion cosmolite themed weapons

[drowsy plank]

lmao true

[indigo yacht]

actually i think half of those are donor

[drowsy plank]

no the pure cosmilite ones are base, but most of the non-DoG themed ones are donor

[indigo yacht]

i think flower themed is like by far the least offensive

[drowsy plank]

there are just a lot of DoG themed ones bc?????

actually

[indigo yacht]

big eaty worm

[drowsy plank]

prolly cause DoG was one of the first bosses

so tons of stuff just got dumped onto him over the years

[zealous aspen]

Ah sry forgot abt that

[zealous aspen]

I never said that they in particular looking similar was a problem

„Then there are Tundra Flame and Gleaming Magnolia, which, while not available at exactly the same progression stage, still look fairly similar.“

[drowsy plank]

ok i think i got it you meant tundra flame and gleaming magnolia not all of the flowers together

i still disagree entirely that this is even an issue but that at least makes a bit more sense

[zealous aspen]

Removed the reference of future content

[lavish condor]

Could it also be stated that mana rose bears massive resemblance to mana flower in name, apppearance and recipe despite not having any relation to mana gain aside from being a magic weapon

[fossil finch]

.... Not really

[indigo yacht]

it certainly could

they both use nature's gift, and both have a similar design and name

[fossil finch]

But no one is actually getting them confused in practice I think. I think that's like a key point of most suggs like these tbh. A new player who doesn't read doesn't know anything can't parse context and has no eyes can confuse things because they're similar. Maybe

[indigo yacht]

that's not true, I've seen people confuse the two a lot in writing

same deal as astrum aureus and astrum deus

I've confused them myself at times

[lavish condor]

I wasn't thinking about confusing the two; one's a weapon one's an accessory, but about how similar they are and yet have no resemblance to each other. I always think mana rose has some kind of gimmick with mana based on the name and theming but it doesn't.

[half imp]

yeah I've seen people confuse them

I don't think the name implying a gimmick is an issue

[indigo yacht]

The name is most of the issue

[half imp]

It's just that the name is confusing especially to people who don't know Mana Rose exists

Because if you don't know about it, it's very logical to assume they meant Mana Flower

[drowsy plank]

honestly mana rose/mana flower is a much bigger naming/themeing issue then mana rose and belladonna or yaveto

like i honestly could not actually imagine the issue being brought up in this suggestion where someone confusing tundra flame and gleaming magnolia but mana rose and mana flower 100% feels like it needs to be addressed

[fleet grotto]

it feels like this sugg reasoning is primarily "it's cool"

[spare bison]

I could change the wording a bit but i just figured this would be a rather easy to implement way to give a bit of extra use to the material and the weapon itself

It's kinda strange that it can't use it as ammo, even

[drowsy plank]

1 million ammo implementations that will never happen

though unlike flamethrowers this one actually seems at least a bit more reasonable

[vocal wedge]

Add an entire new resource for flamethrower fuel so we have to use fossil fuels and unsustainable mining practices.

[fossil finch]

im sorry what

[fossil finch]

not rlly

like not rlly at all

[vocal wedge]

Unsustainable mining practices?

[keen zodiac]

in the auric betas it was labeled as an ammo but you couldn't actually use it

[vocal wedge]

They should just kill them, cards on the table.

[limber drift]

I feel like it could be kept since it could be utilised to add to diversity of crafting

[keen zodiac]

there's already plans to kill it eventually

[kind laurel]

Wasn't it just added or am I delusional

[vocal wedge]

It's just a bunch of bars stuck together, it doesn't really add anything.

[kind laurel]

OH new sug, not adon wulfrum anymore

[limber drift]

Not currently yes I’m suggesting that they make it more than just a simple craft so that it does add to the game

[indigo yacht]

the reason life alloy feels lame is because you can get it immediately as soon as you can get scoria so it's just a pointless crafting step

it would be more interesting if there was a secondary requirement

like maybe a different crafting station or another material

specifically one locked behind a later or optional on tier boss

[kind laurel]

if you add another material... then that one gets the same issue as scoria

[indigo yacht]

true

[kind laurel]

at that point just remove the "alloy" part of the name and make it the material itself

[limber drift]

I kinda feel like making the crafting method require like a special crafting station that is locked to a later tier could work,

[kind laurel]

Ancient Manipulator?

[indigo yacht]

even in that case i think it's more interesting to have something unique like this than just another crafting material

[kind laurel]

fair

[limber drift]

Maybe but I was moreso thinking like something that’s entirely unique and like isn’t just crafting it normally so it is unique with its gameplay

[indigo yacht]

duke fishron crafting station 💥

[kind laurel]

I find it kind of annoying that it pretty much forces you to fight Cryogen if you don't want to use one of the weirder ways to get Life Alloys

Ravager drops like 3 at a time

[indigo yacht]

was cryonic shimmer scrapped

[limber drift]

You can just shimmer down ores to get cryonic

Wait no Nvm i’m misremembering

[kind laurel]

I was about to bring it up but wait was that never a thing

[indigo yacht]

it was in the patch notes

[keen zodiac]

yes

[limber drift]

But honestly like its not like killing cryogen is challenging at all at the tier you’d need life alloys

[kind laurel]

It's not on the wiki

so yeah

[indigo yacht]

and then everyone pointed out "wtf why is it shimmered down from perennial then you can get hallowed and chloro post 2 mechs" and they removed it apparently

[limber drift]

Why not just put it between hallowed and titanium

[kind laurel]

^

[keen zodiac]

no idea

[kind laurel]

Anyway that leaves grinding Ravager as the only option

which averages 2.5 bars/kill

[vocal wedge]

The issue is that they don't serve a purpose, and trying to force one doesn't really make sense.

[limber drift]

Not really just kill cryogen it wouldn’t be hard

[indigo yacht]

also a 50% chance for an alloy itself so not that bad

[limber drift]

They do kinda since if it was just their components recipes would feel very odd and fill a role of like an elemental themed ingredient and stuff

[indigo yacht]

why doesn't it make sense

[kind laurel]

wait I didn't know that

[kind laurel]

2.1 change jumpscare

[limber drift]

Trying to give stuff purpose is like what should be done when stuff does in some ways lack one

[vocal wedge]

Just having the bars be part of it would fulfill the same role anyway.

[kind laurel]

It's just annoying having to go back and kill a boss from an earlier tier because a later material demands it

[vocal wedge]

Life Alloy is literally just three bars combined. There isn't a real reason for it to not just... be replaced by those three ingots in recipes.
It just takes up a marginal amount of inventory space.

[kind laurel]

it's cool though so it would be nice to keep it in some way

just not this

[indigo yacht]

ok, but the conversation is about making it not just 3 bars combined and making it into an actually unique crafting material

[limber drift]

But if they were just the three seperate bars the recipes would feel very odd since they don’t make as much sense with the base material

[indigo yacht]

the recipes don't make sense with life alloy either

[limber drift]

But life alloy could be crafted in a way that allows the contrasting elements of its components to work together

[kind laurel]

wait

Life Alloy's sprite is clearly the three bars together

it doesn't make sense to change it

You'd have to rename it since it probably isn't an alloy anymore, resprite it, and change its recipe

[limber drift]

I’d want it to still be the three bars combined but have it be through a unique method rather than just uneeded crafting steps

[kind laurel]

the only idea I'd have is making it locked to AM

[limber drift]

Like it can stay an alloy and be crafted by like a method close to irl alloy making or something

[vocal wedge]

Yeah, but then you just have a completely random item that has a special craft.

[indigo yacht]

make it something draedon tech related that you unlock by killing plaguebringer 🎉

[vocal wedge]

Even though it's not really notable.

[limber drift]

But then the issue of being uneeded is once again a thing since still why can’t the alloy-recipes just be crafted with the parts at an ancient manupukator

[indigo yacht]

10 billion plaguebringer drops

[kind laurel]

remove every other boss and make their drops drop from PBG

[indigo yacht]

true

[limber drift]

Its identity could be made to be more important, it already is combining several powerful materials with direct ties to different places all across the world

Just removing it instead of trying to actually make it not redundant would be better especially due to how drastically differe its components are

[vocal wedge]

It would still be very arbitrary and could very easily come off as something that only inconveniences players.

[indigo yacht]

i like life alloy because the idea of an alloy is cool, and i think it would be more interesting to expand on that and make it a nuanced material than just to kill it because as of right now it's boring

[indigo yacht]

change the way it's crafted in a manner that means you don't instantly unlock it but have to go out of your way to get it, most likely

[limber drift]

I will say it doesn’t have to still be an alloy especially since I’m pretty sure there are plans to change scoria, perennial and maybe cryonic to no longer be bars, so being an “alloy” wouldn’t make as much sense, but like making it basically have the player manipulate the ingredients so their dramatically different natures co-exist or something

[craggy girder]

life alloy is technically an instagrade from scoria last i checked

[kind laurel]

yeah

[fleet grotto]

this is not tinker's construct

goblin tinkerer's construct?

[lucid marsh]

Terraria tinkers construct when...

It would suck ass because terraria has a very different and quick progression system

[mossy pelican]

@ocean night please read the pinned doc, I want whips too, but there are rules for a reason

[humble scarab]

whips are fun, but cal devs arent ignoring them for no reason

[ocean night]

like what reason

[humble scarab]

One was even teased in spoilers

[humble scarab]

Summoner in cal isnt balanced around whips

[vocal wedge]

Because they have to balance the entire Summoner class.

[ocean night]

ohh

[indigo yacht]

whips will be added at some point

[humble scarab]

1.4.5 makes it even worse

Cuz it also adds more stuff for summoner

[gilded citrus]

Whips make the class fucking insanely strong even though theres no whips after eol
There being more whips would just make it worse

[humble scarab]

Cal being that big makes it very time consuming to balance

[ocean night]

idk it just kinda sucks that there isnt even a single one considering its been six years since whips were added to the game, like not even some dumb op post-supreme calamitas one

[plush flame]

well theres cnidarian and profaned crystal whip

[humble scarab]

^

[vocal wedge]

Whips are extremely overpowered. Why would they add OP items?

[humble scarab]

• priorities

[ocean night]

why not add a fun one for after supreme calamitas even, or even an april fools one

[vocal wedge]

Do you have any idea how people would react to that?

[plush flame]

profaned crystal whip is post exos scal

[ocean night]

i looked up both cnidarian and the profaned crystal whip and i didnt find anythin

[plush flame]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Profaned_Soul_Crystal

ever heard of accessory humour buddy

[ocean night]

thats No Whip

[plush flame]

also cnidarian gives tag damage so it is a whip

[ocean night]

i mean its not its own weapon though

[plush flame]

still a whip that cal adds

[ocean night]

true i suppose

good name btw

[ocean night]

im still a little Befuddled by this what did you mean by this

[vocal wedge]

There would be an extreme negative reaction if Calamity began adding whips but only as joke items.

[ocean night]

true but they did add yharim as a joke boss before for april fools

[indigo yacht]

huh

you mean "The Lorde?"

[ocean night]

yeah The Lorde

[vocal wedge]

The Lorde doesn't actually function as a Yharim boss.

[ocean night]

no its a joke boss is my point

[vocal wedge]

I don't see the relevancy.

[indigo yacht]

doesn't it literally just copy a random npcs ai

[vocal wedge]

Yes.

[ocean night]

yeah and it was kinda funny

[vocal wedge]

Every frame it changes AI.

[indigo yacht]

they added a png that has a NPC.ai = Rand.next(0,200)

[ocean night]

yeah and it a little surprises me they havent even made a joke whip considering theyd Jest about yharim

[vocal wedge]

People would be outraged.

[indigo yacht]

anyways they'll add whips eventually and a suggestion to add whips sooner will not change when they come

[ocean night]

ik but still im a little Upset about it mostly cus its been so long

[indigo yacht]

there are calamity add-ons that add whips

[gilded citrus]

Aint they mostly weaker then the kelaidascope

[ocean night]

true but some of those whips get really really op

[indigo yacht]

no

[gilded citrus]

Oh ok

[indigo yacht]

that's just summoner as a class honestly

[ocean night]

no like those whips would be able to output 14k damage a second way before you were supposed to

[humble scarab]

thats why summoner needs a rebalance

[plush flame]

that was pre-2.1 kscope

[ocean night]

its 2 whips im thinkin of

from the great sand shark i think it was

[plush flame]

i remember testing catalyst whips on early to mid postml bosses and they ranged from slightly better to a bit better than kscope

like i think the best was 4:30 kscope -> 3:40 one of the cata whips on dog

[ocean night]

i wonder what the whips they eventually add r gonna be like

[worthy fractal]

fighting cryogen post golem isnt that deep

asc spirit essence forcing you to do the moon events is way more annoying

[worthy lintel]

whips and fun in the same sentence

also, future content

[deft yew]

???

[mossy pelican]

Whips are fun if you aren’t a wet blanket

Just hard to balance

[craggy girder]

honestly a whip that doesnt give tag damage but buffs other stuff abt minions feels like it was intended to do

[kind laurel]

Whips are fun if you ignore summoner armor is pretty much what this is saying sadly

[mossy pelican]

???

[kind laurel]

Summoner armor gives very little defense

If you're actually using the armor for the class whips are used in, you are pretty much locked into being a wet blanket

[mossy pelican]

What the fuck are you talking about

Wet blanket means being boring or things of that sort

Not frail

[kind laurel]

Ohh

I think there's a simlilar saying that means frail

[mossy pelican]

Wet paper towel probably

[kind laurel]

Yeah that

My mistake, I apologize

[deft yew]

There really isn’t that much of a difference

Using an otherwise defensive build when you want to play in a way that calls for it (duh) covers the difference

[kind laurel]

I think I'm just used to vanilla where Stardust has almost half of Solar Flare's defense

And no DR like it does

[indigo yacht]

stardust is a glass cannon set

[kind laurel]

Like every vanilla summoner armor

[kind laurel]

I was wrong here, it has over half
38 * 2 < 78

misremembered and thought SF was 71 for some reason

[mossy pelican]

Good thing this is calamity mod discord not vanilla terraria discord then

[kind laurel]

but yeah Auric Tesla has the same gap

but with much higher defense

[mossy pelican]

Just run a defensive build if its an issue?

[kind laurel]

So it's only 1.16x

[kind laurel]

Defensive builds struggle to match base Solar Flare armor

You can beat it by going all in yes

[mossy pelican]

Then dont play summoner

Its a trade off

[kind laurel]

"Don't play X" is a pretty stupid reason to justify imbalance but since Cal doesn't have this issue I don't see a purpose in debating more

No point in arguing over nothing

[deft yew]

Reminder that Calamity buffs stardust armor

Wait, actually now it doesn’t? Goog

[kind laurel]

Just buffs Guardian's AI

[indigo yacht]

what are you actually saying here because it comes off as though you think opportunity cost is a bad way to balance things

[kind laurel]

I just find it odd that the class with the least defense is forced to get into close range for its damage while the class with the most has just as much range as the class called Ranger

The issue with this discussion is that I am much wiser on vanilla stuff so I'm looking at it through that lens

Not Cal's

So this argument is flawed by nature

TL;DR I'm not interested in keeping this up

sorry if I'm sounding oddly agressive about shutting this down

bit tired

[indigo yacht]

i was talking about vanilla too but that's fine

[drowsy plank]

summoner's defense is prolly lower because if you really wanted to, minions can do all the damage without you ever really interacting with them

melee was supposed to have you get close, and mage was supposed to be strong enough to justify the gap of defense between it and ranger

not that i think that is the case but that is what feels like the design methodology behind it imo

[craggy girder]

last i checked summoner felt like the most difficult class by design

you dont have to aim but you do Not want to get hit

[dense locust]

it does but its incredibly marginal

it gives the guardian more range/speed so it can actually like, hit things

[craggy girder]

nothingburger sugg no. 2 billion

[dense locust]

did the chaos stone rework break this its supposed to already have one

(albeit one shared with polarizer but still)

[glass arch]

yeah it has the one with polarizer

[half imp]

this does have one yes

@craggy girder this is already a thing

[craggy girder]

thats with polarizer i thought

[half imp]

ManaBurn: "{0}'s life was completely converted into mana.

[craggy girder]

oh ! did not see that

[half imp]

polarizer uses this too

but in both cases it's entirely applicable

[craggy girder]

i mean id say that mana burn is not your soul being converted into mana but rather the overuse of mana incinerating you but you the coach

[half imp]

well you'd say wrong

the death message is correct

although hmm the tooltip could be more clear

The excess of mana sears your body and mind

something to fix

[worn elk]

why so all the suggestions dissapear so fast

[limber drift]

they stay up for 24hrs after they're originally posted if that what you mean, so that different timezones can all take a look

[fleet grotto]

sowwy isleep for 26 hours at a time so i miss everything always :/

[keen zodiac]

they get moved to #suggestions-voting after 24 hours

so you can vote

[limber drift]

unless they like do end up not following one of the rules and don't have the issue fisxed

[worn elk]

yeah i still like reading the ones that dont go to the bot channel xd

[deft yew]

@fossil finch Check this one out 👁️

[whole tundra]

Quite a radical idea so I'll post it here for the time being

Make Supreme Witch, Calamitas randomly move around you in a full circle instead of set to half a circle*

Currently, SCal's basic movement is nearly identical to that of Retinazer, a hardmode boss part of the Twins fight. The only difference is that SCal's movement is a bit floatier. This makes her usually stay at 1 side before going up, and then going to your side again.

This makes SCal much easier to predict nearly invalidating the basic attacks she sends out as you always know where they are coming from. Were this to be changed so she can move around you in a circle (albeit going too fast would be a bit extreme), would make her movement more unique and the basic attacks a bit harder to dodge so that it doesn't stay as "slowly move vertically/horizontally" depending on the attack.

[hollow shell]

#suggestions-posting message

Oh boy

[indigo yacht]

ok so we have gods and dragons and magic and spacewarping monsters and weapons and we can fly and dash and summon ethereal beings to fight for us but the laws of thermodynamics

[hollow shell]

You know what else violates the laws of thermodynamics?

... Almost everything in the game

[indigo yacht]

the suggestion seems to imply that only godly or magic things are allowed to do that but uhhh why

[hollow shell]

I get that in this particular instance it feels worse because Draedon is a logical reasonable scientist and there is no layer of handwaving like mana or souls to explain it

[indigo yacht]

isn't exo technology itself the layer of handwaving

[hollow shell]

Well they're talking about natural pre-processed Sea Prisms

[indigo yacht]

ah ok

[fossil finch]

LMFAO

okay the problem about this isnt even

its not that the crystals have infinite energy

it genuinely does not matter

[gilded citrus]

Nah draedon uses exo prisms because lore wise they basically the only thing easily usable that does

[fossil finch]

the problem is draedon bringing them up himself later

if he didnt thered be plausible deniability

oh they obviously dont matter because its a fantasy setting so theyre different anyway <------ plausible deniability most people would easily believe if draedon didnt bring it up

[gilded citrus]

the sea and exo prisms do have a connection to otonilou we just do not have the full picture due to calamity being unfinished

[fossil finch]

its fairly obvious from what ive heard theyre just like, enchanted by her

being super technical i guess itf be like. sea prism molecules have the property or something. so thats why draedon can grow them artificially and still have the property

[gilded citrus]

And at least by dev statement hell
Yeah god and auric dragon derived things do just break thermodynamics

[gilded citrus]

Yeah draedon goes on about exotic resonance or whatever in drae talk

@gaunt trout the sea prisms do have a connection to Otonilou the electricity goddess, we just do not know the full extent of which this connection is. Likely due to calamity being unfinished.
-# being nitpicky about minute details here, gods do not have auric souls they have deific/godly souls which do differ to auric souls in some functionality.

[deft yew]

Isn’t the whole point that they eat auric souls

[gilded citrus]

Yeah, some people come to the conclusion it gives the person who ate it an auric soul which i can see why but its not the case

[mossy pelican]

Thermodynamics is where we draw the line chat

Not the never melting ice, or the dragons

[gilded citrus]

Calamity explicitly points out thermodynamics exists for the most part

[mossy pelican]

Doesnt mean calamity’s laws of thermodynamics are the same as ours

[vocal wedge]

Yes, and that turns them into Godly Souls.

[fossil finch]

i mean

the implication

is that they indeed are

plus

you dont bring up a thing like that

and don't explicitly point out its different

and then get to tell people oh its differenty our assumption its the exact same because we made no effort to distinguish them is wrong

also they are like, they are reliant on each other. if you change one the others change

[small bramble]

Do u think devs ever see requests to change or remove something they added and are like Man fuck u I had good reason for making it the way I did

[drowsy plank]

prolly

[half imp]

yes

All the time

[gaunt crystal]

@whole tundra for context that's because they reuse vanilla boss code

that should change eventually

[indigo yacht]

give scal mothron ai

[whole tundra]

I know and that's why I included the Retinazer section

[keen zodiac]

shouldn't you flag the sea prism sugg since its basis is incorrect

[drowsy plank]

from what i was following, draedon also brings up thermodynamics at some point? so they're not exactly incorrect, unless im missing something. if draedon didn't mention thermodynamics, then there wouldn't be an issue, but if he's going to bring up their existence, then correcting something to follow the laws he confirms exists probably isn't that much of a big deal

under any other circumstances, i redirect tooltip edits like this to #1052323733961977947 but the fact that there is even nuance to be discussed in relation to this one makes me think that this being a suggestion is actually valid

i imagine it will likely get 🔒 with the devs finding some other way to address it

[vocal wedge]

Yeah but the suggested change is just the current implication.

[drowsy plank]

oh what

[keen zodiac]

yeah

[vocal wedge]

It's like that suggestion to make Moon Lord from the Distortion.

It is.

[drowsy plank]

i see

[keen zodiac]

they're currently blessed by otonilou or something

[drowsy plank]

alright, fair enough then

@gaunt trout to inform you of why it was flagged read above

[kind laurel]

spiter hell

[kind laurel]

yes

[safe gorge]

i'm sorry for suggesting spriter hell

doesn't need to be super detailed though! i think a little could go a long way

[keen zodiac]

it's almost certainly planned already

[safe gorge]

rad

but i was thinking specifically it could be a good, smaller way to change how the crags feel before the big overhaul

[gaunt trout]

Wait what are they making moon from the distortion

Because don’t it say in his beastiary that he’s from the void or something

[vocal wedge]

What?

[gaunt trout]

I have a whole concept for that where it’s like the space in between dimensions

[vocal wedge]

The 'void' is the Distortion.

[gaunt trout]

I read above

Huh

What

[vocal wedge]

It's just the Distortion.

[keen zodiac]

he's from the distortion

[gaunt trout]

Why wouldn’t they call it that then🥀😂

[keen zodiac]

i promise it's easy enough to figure out

[gaunt trout]

Ok whatever

[gilded citrus]

Because calling it a tear in spacetime or whatever is much more fitting the vibe of the text

[worthy fractal]

erm ackshually thats the 4th layer of the abyss

[gaunt trout]

Yh it’s two different thing gng

[keen zodiac]

kai cenat incoming

[gilded citrus]

Nop got killed

[keen zodiac]

yippee

[gaunt crystal]

tbf

the crags overhaul could be the next major update

since sso is gonna be the major update after the next one

[keen zodiac]

what

[vocal wedge]

Who told you that?

[gaunt crystal]

or at least-

[keen zodiac]

sso is just delayed indefinitely

[gaunt crystal]

I was gonna continue

[north oracle]

spreading misinformation on the internet

[gaunt crystal]

as I was about to say

or at least a major update that isn't the next one

[limber drift]

Missinformstion suggests misterinformation

[keen zodiac]

ok but this is still incorrect

[whole tundra]

spreading misinformation

[limber drift]

Preading miinformation hmmmmm

[limber drift]

Wait does shpc use souls as ammo?

[scarlet musk]

yes....

[limber drift]

If so yeah this should definitely be a thing actually

Every other “ammo” (except coins cos they have their own slot) can go in those slots, even bait, gel, fallen stars, and ale, so then souls should too if they’re ammo

Albeit the only issue is if they default sort into ammo slots which might be annoying since I’ve had an issue like that with some mods making some items into ammo

[scarlet musk]

then just make it only work if u have the shpc in ur inventory or smth

[limber drift]

Theres definitely a way to always let that work and not cause issues its just they’d need to make sure itd worm work

[whole tundra]

@scarlet musk read the suggestion rules doc in #suggestions-posting

[limber drift]

Also like it’d be nice to free up inventory slots by just holding your souls you get in those slots while exploring

[scarlet musk]

do i need to explain it more or something

[whole tundra]

Yes as there's not an ounce of reasoning in the post

[scarlet musk]

is this better...

[glass arch]

yeah

[whole tundra]

Probably

[glass arch]

honestly i was about to say slap something almost exactly like that on there

[limber drift]

Maybe also mention how every other kind of ammo items can be placed there so logically souls should too

[glass arch]

nah you can assume a baseline of knowledge on ammo

[limber drift]

Yeah we can assume that fair it might just like justify itself even more in itselff since making random materials able to go in ammo slots does sound odd kinda

[glass arch]

you dont have to overexplain every part if the idea is easily communicated in 1-2 sentences

[limber drift]

Wait I just checked vanilla’s wiki and like for some reason despite being ammo sand can’t be placed in ammo slots thats weird

[indigo yacht]

it's only used for one weapon and is a fairly common item

which you could honestly say the same about souls in this suggestion

[limber drift]

So too with like ale but it can go in the slots

So are fallen stars and gel that only get two weapons that use them

[indigo yacht]

ale is not so common as souls are

[limber drift]

But gel and stars are

[open raptor]

Hi guys

[fleet grotto]

eh, cal has items like wulfrum metal scrap that are perfectly free of this

[limber drift]

Okay yeah so like theres no real issues I could really see from like adding it

[open raptor]

Guys

I wanna post something in #suggestions-posting but I don't know if it breaks a rule in the guide

I need help

[limber drift]

What is it

[open raptor]

A new accessory that combines royal gel and violated gel

volatile*

[worthy lintel]

the what

also thats a SIS

(i think)

[open raptor]

Oof

[worthy lintel]

unless pets or acces are exempt?

been a while

[limber drift]

No I don’t think those are the pets those are the expert mod accessores

[open raptor]

Ya ya

[worthy lintel]

yeah right i just corrected myself

[limber drift]

Also like for stuff like this it’d kinda need a reason why it should be a thing beyond just “it’d be cool”

[open raptor]

Can I send the suggestion here for you guys to see?

[worthy lintel]

give it a shot here

[open raptor]

Yeah it gives a reason for the player to actually keep them

Royal Gel & Volatile Gelatin combination

When you're an experienced player, these go into the trash or are sold instantly. Just as the topic explains, it would be combined into one accessory using the solidifier to make the Emperor Gelatin that makes slimes friendly and shoot queen slime's projectiles. As a bonus to this being combined so it's not such an easy option to throw it away, you gain a gelatin shield around you that gives 10% damage reduction and every time you're hit, a slime breaks off you and has 1/3 of your hp and attacks enemies with 1/3 of the damage of the weapon you use. The max slimes that can break off you is 10 and can randomize between being king slime minions or queen slime's minion. I hope for this to be for summoner usage but can also be versatile and not limited to summoner according to the player.

[glass arch]

definitely too specific

[open raptor]

Pins said to explain it as much as possible 😹

[glass arch]

yes but thats more explain why

not how

[open raptor]

Oooh

[limber drift]

Like thats a very specific idea but it does have some reasoning

[open raptor]

Ok ok

Bet

[glass arch]

(i do think that part of the pin shouldnt be there because it does encourage overexplaining but its whatever

[open raptor]

True

[limber drift]

Generally I’d say maybe like suggest something like idk making royal gel and volatile gelatin stronger or something

[open raptor]

Alr

Should I make them a seperate thing instead of a whole new accessory?

Like royal gel can have the shield and volatile gel can do something else?

The only downside to that is that it'd take 2 slots to work...

[limber drift]

Like I doubt they’d make like a combination but them being buffed in some way so they’re used less is definitely something that could be good but like generally with suggestions you shouldn’t really try to suggest specific ideas in it for how it could be done if i remember correctly

[open raptor]

Welp

Icl I wouldn't care much if they were individually buffed (actually royal slime yeah for early gameplay), there are a ton more better stuff than volatile gel

[limber drift]

I could see a suggestion where it asks to give buffs/reworks to more of the more lackluster expert mode items like what they’ve done with gravity globe in the latest big update

[open raptor]

Ya ya

[limber drift]

I will say I personally feel like royal gel is also fine enough but like mainly the damaging ones all kinda suck

Bone glove, Bone Helm, Volatile Gelatin and Spore Sac all kind of feel very underwhelming since they don’t have as much staying power as many other expert mode items, and shiny stone is also very bad but like just because of how it fundamentally works

Most other vanilla expert mode items either have no opportunity cost (in the case of the minecart upgrade kit and suspicious looking tentacle) so they aren’t really “competing” with other accessories like the other bad-below average expert mode drops or kind of have a niche with royal gel having its uses and hive pack i guess being decent if you’re using a “bee” weapon

[open raptor]

That's way too complicated

I'll keep my suggestion in my pocket

Or someone else can lock in and do allat

[novel belfry]

that sounds like a fine sugg

[open raptor]

Yeah quinn carry on my legacy

[limber drift]

Honestly I might like suggest that then to like buff the other lackluster expert mode items

[open raptor]

[novel belfry]

alternatively we each make our own suggestion on a specific expert accessory to be buffed

i could take bone glove and, fuck it, bone helm since its there

[limber drift]

Oh I just wrote the one suggesting all the objectively bad expert mode accessories to be reworked

[indigo yacht]

@limber drift bone glove isn't bad

it's a solid damage accessory

[limber drift]

Wait is it

Doesn’t it suck

[indigo yacht]

no it's pretty good

[limber drift]

Oh I just remembered it sucking too

The other ones that I listed do actually all suck right?

[indigo yacht]

i wouldn't know because actually nobody uses them as opposed to bone glove where some people do

so yeah I'd say they're warranted