suggestions-discussion

[limber drift]

Because like that is like a kind of soul artifacts but not but like kinda but not

[crude geode]

If you squint it’s an artifact

[craggy girder]

whys it in there

[lavish yoke]

star weapons

[keen zodiac]

all of those are donor

[limber drift]

It makes em black

[craggy girder]

starmada is not

[lavish yoke]

starmada isnt

[keen zodiac]

most of those are donor

[craggy girder]

okay better question

whys it in cosmic anvil???

[kind laurel]

Starmada could be meld

[limber drift]

Why is luminite in cosmic anvil too

[lavish yoke]

who knows what the terrarian was trying to do

[lavish yoke]

COSMIC anvil

cosmos

[craggy girder]

like just do this

[lavish yoke]

space

moon

[kind laurel]

because pure Cosmilite probably was too boring

[lavish yoke]

luminite

[limber drift]

COSMilite

[craggy girder]

this is fine crafting. we do not need exodium in there

[kind laurel]

so they shoved in fillers

[limber drift]

Its not lumic anvil

[kind laurel]

Add exodium to every post-ML craft

[lavish yoke]

it's not galactic anvil either but galactica singularity is there

[keen zodiac]

honestly cosmic anvil should also include ancient manipulator

[limber drift]

But like exodium would be like a lot better if ti wasn’t forced into being an ore

[crude geode]

It’s crafted at one

[keen zodiac]

fuck

[crude geode]

I don’t think forcing people to fight cultist twice just to shove it in is good

[indigo yacht]

i think calamity players hate calamity ngl

[limber drift]

Like was said earlier making it like a fallen star would be unqiue and add material diversity

[crude geode]

Evergreen

[lavish yoke]

Yes

[craggy girder]

this is a bad usage of this

i like calamity i do not like filler

[crude geode]

Ur bald

[kind laurel]

Make Cosmic Anvil crafted at a Crystal Ball

[lavish yoke]

this is a good usage of this

[craggy girder]

i want Substance in my food

[lavish yoke]

calamity as in boss rush

[limber drift]

Criticism is important when taking about something you’re a fan of

[crude geode]

I do think exodium is a bad material to be real

The only thing it tierlocks is like. normality relocator

[kind laurel]

Donor

[limber drift]

Exodium does have flaws but entirely removing it instead of trying to imporve it is foolish

[indigo yacht]

it can go too far at times

[kind laurel]

I'd go back to my other idea of making it void themed rather than space themed

[limber drift]

The only non-donor item it initially unlocks is eldritch soul articact but so does phantoplasm

[craggy girder]

okay can we just make a preboss material called Donorium

and ALL filler material just uses Donorium

[indigo yacht]

no

[craggy girder]

i am tired of material existing JUST for donors.

[kind laurel]

Donor Bar

[limber drift]

Shadowspec clone kinda mod bloat

[craggy girder]

Shadowspec is a great example of Donorium

[indigo yacht]

the devs have the ability to change this, you know

SHADOWSPEC IS FOR FUCKING DEV WEAPONS

[craggy girder]

i know

make one for donors !!!

[limber drift]

They have to ask donors for their items to be changed

[indigo yacht]

explodes you with my mind

[craggy girder]

parries with my Mind

[indigo yacht]

they can kill items and if that item is in a recipe they ask the donor what to replace it with

[limber drift]

They’ve stated they wont change donor items without permission (i guess maybe piggy is an exception)

Yeah but also not all donors are accessible

[indigo yacht]

i spoke to a dev about this before and they have the ability to do this

[limber drift]

But like I do feel like Calamity fans want every single material that doesn’t have like 20 crafts to get obliterated

[craggy girder]

like realistically, if exodium were to Die

stratus could probably just be ruinous and lumynl + another filler if you REALLY need it. i dont think it does
all donors using it could either just not have it in there or use Donorium Ingot

[kind laurel]

I think that's fair now that I think about it

[limber drift]

Like niche materials are good for the diversity of item crafts, and exodium has potential to differentiate itself

[craggy girder]

i cant really name any items that use exodium and NEED exodium

[limber drift]

Instead of giving up in the cases where an item is similar try to make it unique

[kind laurel]

But there are also "bars so you remember the 'dig' part of Terraria's catchphrase without the devs actually caring about it"

[limber drift]

Exodium isn’t needed, but flat out removing it without any attempt to fix it would destroy calamity’s diversity if they always did it

[indigo yacht]

they do quite desire this

[craggy girder]

they get either 80 chain recipe or 1

pick your poison

[kind laurel]

I think the most offensive materials are the double ones

Mysterious Circuitry and Dubious Plating mostly

[indigo yacht]

add frog leg to calamity

[limber drift]

They are kind of different conceptually, but Ideally i’d love if they were made to be obtained in slightly different ways

[kind laurel]

Luminyl + Depth Cells as well

Luminite + Exodium actually fall into that too

[craggy girder]

eeh

honestlly pillar frags + galactica dont reeeeally strike me as cool

[limber drift]

Those two are obtained in different was so they definitely differentiate themselves

Thats like saying unicorn horns, pixie dust and souls of light should all be combined

[kind laurel]

I thought they were both just enemy drops

[craggy girder]

i too thought they were

[crude geode]

Nope

[limber drift]

Lumenyl is like crystal shards

[crude geode]

One of them can actually be found in the environment naturally

[indigo yacht]

no not really, most lumenyl and depth cells recipes don't use the other
there only a few that overlap

[limber drift]

Maybe also like an enemy mught slso drop them but they’re mainly generated

[kind laurel]

I have never found tile lumenyl in my life

[craggy girder]

i dont think ive mined it much

i just battle cry the abyss and Boom. Money

[indigo yacht]

i usually just kill the passive fish

since they drop it

[limber drift]

Me when the quality of life mod makes me not have to grind materials normally

[kind laurel]

I swear they were but looking at it no you're right

Nevermind I guess

[indigo yacht]

i believe they used to be

[limber drift]

Also they’re live very different thing conceptually
Fish cells vs blue crystal

[craggy girder]

could make them crystalline fish cells

[crude geode]

No

[limber drift]

That would be weird though like why would they do that

Variety is important

[craggy girder]

for lum and depths i can see htem being diff

for circuitry and plating though those are the same thing basically

[crude geode]

Yeah

[limber drift]

There are like 20 calamity materials that COULD be replaced/combined with other stuff but they shouldn’t be

[indigo yacht]

remove all calamity

[kind laurel]

[limber drift]

Circuitry and plating do overlap in their crafts and obtainment currently, so to solve this making them be obtained differently would help

calamity community remix made dubious plating an ore in the dungeon and while that sucks the general idea of differetiating them is Unironically good

[kind laurel]

Honestly I haven't seen anyone defend the more filler-y materials in Cal before and I think you might be onto something

[limber drift]

Trying to remove them all just will end up with random nonssencicsl recipes where stuff doesn’t make complete sense, or force way more enemy drop grinding if the items were made only drops

[kind laurel]

Some of them stink sure but it's also half because it's just "go to already explored biome with a pickaxe and just mine with no other threats"

Rework > Remove

[craggy girder]

okay so crack idea. what if each pile of scrap (if they were made into one item) can store an amount of "circuits" or "plating" and once it runs out it just cant use the outed material anymore

like how power cells work but for material

[limber drift]

Like you could remove solar veils and just make the items like solar tablet fragments + silk, but like why would you

[kind laurel]

Darksun overlap maybe

[limber drift]

Solar veil is post-cal darksun is very far away in progression

Also ones a piece of fabric the others like i guess a piece of the eclipse itself

[kind laurel]

Still both "eclipse material" but fair

[limber drift]

You wouldn’t say the same thing really about spooky wood and nightmare fuel

Those are both eclipse and pumpkin moon materials but different points of progression

[kind laurel]

Okay

I don't know how you can defend Bloodstone Cores and Meld Constructs though

[limber drift]

Yeah those could just die

[kind laurel]

Just a new material but that's not enough apparently so add things from earlier tiers to make it "complete" or whatever

[limber drift]

Literally even you could just use the other components of the construct/ core in the item recipes

[kind laurel]

Why am I using Blood Orbs post-ML

[limber drift]

I guess like maybe turn bloodstone core into an accessory since it does look kinda cool but like those materials have no reason to truly exist

[kind laurel]

or just kill bloodstone and make the enemies drop the cores

either works

[limber drift]

Imagine getting a material and then arbitrarily having to craft it into something else before crafting its item set (the joke is that this is kind of what most bars are)

[kind laurel]

Bars are just consistency at this point

Made to make a furnaces required for progression but once those stop mattering it's just to make things fit in

[limber drift]

I will say that also life alloy and galactica singularities are both weird cases when it comes to logically existing

[kind laurel]

• ASE

[limber drift]

Yeah they like in some ways are kind of redundant, but also they differentiate themsleves from their compontents on their own

[kind laurel]

I remember when I first played Cal I complained about those endlessly (I complained about basically anything non-vanilla esque which was really pathetic in hindsight but I digress)

[tame vigil]

bloodstone core, not to be confused with bloodflare core. or blood pact. or chalice of the blood god.

[kind laurel]

blood being used as a buzzword by edgy teenagers (or people that act like them)

[indigo yacht]

👀

i like the taste of iron

[keen zodiac]

chalice of the blood god (formerly core of the blood god)

[limber drift]

Life alloys are like a cool idea combining metal-like stuff from the frozen tundra, the deep dark abyss and a metal made of like flowers or somethinng

[keen zodiac]

[limber drift]

I meant moreso keep the sprite since it isn’t like completely boring but change its name if for some reason it would be wanted to be kept

[keen zodiac]

literally the only reason it still exists is because the sprite is cool

[limber drift]

But the issue with life alloy is from a gameplay perspective its an un-needed step

[keen zodiac]

that's actually why they haven't removed it

[indigo yacht]

add an astral ore crafting station that's required to make life allot

[kind laurel]

Add every bar to Life Alloy

[limber drift]

I could see like maybe life alloy needing maybe even like the help of like permafrost and like the dryad to combine the different parts

[limber drift]

Thorium mod Terrarium cores moment

[kind laurel]

just add Auric to it but don't change any of the craft's tiers, have fun needing a post-Yharon material to fight Yharon

[limber drift]

Technically still beatable through getfixedboi’s auric landmines

[indigo yacht]

just shimmer auric soul fragments smh

[kind laurel]

Blessed Phoenix Egg needs Life Alloys

[limber drift]

• you mean craft at shimmer 🤓 , they aren’t actually shimmered

But like If life alloys crafting method involves trying to make the dramatically different elements work together it could actually add to gameplay

Rather than just feeling like a redundant step

And for like galactica singularity idk maybe throw them out as items in the air all overlapping idk

[tame vigil]

this has given me an idea about meld blobs

thank you all

[keen zodiac]

is it to remove meld constructs

[limber drift]

Make meld blobs into the meld equivalent to the fragment blocks

[kind laurel]

At least we can rest easy knowing Ancient Feathers and Chaos Serpent Shards are dead

[indigo yacht]

I'm going to obliterate you

[limber drift]

Also for ascended spirit escence I’d guess when the post-dog events get replaced by distortion exploration they’d be made less redundant

[kind laurel]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/The_Obliterator ?

[limber drift]

I will say I do feel iffy about the fact that hadarian wings used to not be a weirdo and were dropped as a material like most of vanilla’s wings

[kind laurel]

Idk why I felt the need to post that

[limber drift]

I will also say some materials are very much like basically entirely redundant though, such as blighted gel

Like everything its in could like just be gel or something

[keen zodiac]

but then how would you get sludge splotch, everybody's favorite rogue weapon???

[limber drift]

But if slime god tiershift happens they’d obviously just entirely change it

[novel belfry]

alloy would be better if there were other alloys

[limber drift]

Gel + ebonstone/crimstone or gel + vile/vicious mushrooms/powder

[limber drift]

Not really if they were also just pointless crafting steps

Also I’d say life alloy is meant to be like a special thing imo

[novel belfry]

fine.

just one other alloy

[limber drift]

Also like I just thought about how energy cores and wulfrum scraps are a good example of multiple pieces in the same item set due to how they differ in the way you get them

[kind laurel]

Remove Calamity
My final message
Goodnight

[limber drift]

Nooo my favourite accesory noooo

Sea remains also right now are also a case of redundant crafting step, but they will eventually be changed so yeah

Unholy cores are also kind of a case of this issue of redundant crafting step

[tame vigil]

for now

[limber drift]

Also another iffy material is infected armour plating cos like its plague material 2 but like instead of being dropped by plague enemies and plaguebringer goliath as well, its just dropped by plaguebringer

It should be changed to differentiate itself, maybe being like moreso plaguebringer goliath’s “equivalent” to queen bee’s Honeycomb design wise

Also isn’t the armour not really “infected” its just that the plague made the metal parts right?

Oh also I forgot about lab seeking mechanisms which don’t serve a positive role on gameplay

Honestly actually merging the lab seeking mechanisms into 1 item could help with them instead

Like just make it so to use it it needs an item tied to the lab you’re trying to find

If it did this the menu to insert the item could maybe like in some way make it clear what the expected order of finding the labs is because it can be kinda hard to tell, like maybe have a radial thing in it or something with coloured sections tied to each lab which are ordered in the expected order of finding them ( and cavern lab being like seperated from the rest or something)

Also random thing relating to how earlier I suggested uelibloom becoming a kind of tree we could then have it be used to make the eventually removed tarragon armour as a vanity so it isn’t lost, and also maybe even the tarragon wings so like there are still a few wing options like post providence

Because like the set does look cool so keeping it as a vanity would be better than “wasting” their great sprites

Also I guess the line nettlevine greatbow could be retooled as it’s wooden bow, and I guess lifehunt scythe into it’s sword but idk about it’s hammer unless blossom pickaxe became it??

[tame vigil]

update: i did something about it

[limber drift]

Ooooo what did ya do?

[tame vigil]

secret

[limber drift]

[worthy fractal]

theyre still less annoying than ascendant spirit essences

[limber drift]

What do mean, like to get?

[worthy fractal]

yes i dont think there is anything more annoying than that

[limber drift]

True as is post-dog isn’t fun

Hopefully when the distortion will be eventually added they will actually have interesting and fun gameplay to get them

[kind laurel]

sobbing

[leaden ibex]

Would suggesting making ambergris dash effect dyeable be breaking the "no artwork" rule?

[limber drift]

Probably not since dye are just like filters on stuff I thought

Wouldn’t need like new assets so I’d assume it’d be fine

[leaden ibex]

I guess that does make sense

In case i need to edit the suggestion do i only edit it or straight up delete the previous version and send a new one

[limber drift]

You can edit it and it’ll all be good

[drowsy plank]

there is no "no artwork" rule

do you mean resprite suggestions? because that is entirely different and focused exclusively on trying to get new sprites for an item that has a low quality sprite or something of the likes

furthermore, if you're referring to the "spriter hell" gif that gets posted here at lot, that's in reference to the fact that sprite assets can very easily ruin a suggestion's chances of ever getting implemented even if it passes

[leaden ibex]

Yeah i meant that

[half imp]

yeah this is fine

[leaden ibex]

Thank :thumbeline:

[tiny minnow]

Spriter_hell.gif

[limber drift]

Spriter hell suggests coder heaven

[drowsy plank]

coder heaven is when a dev comes into chat and changes two lines of code to implement the suggestion before it ever even reaches voting

[keen zodiac]

[glass arch]

citfix

[errant wren]

is sugg purgatory a thing, then?

[glass arch]

i mean

yeah

its #suggestions-voting

[errant wren]

no that would be the equivalent to dying

in my opinion

[glass arch]

fine in technicality sugg purgatory is ```Your suggestion has recieved an updated status!

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.```

[errant wren]

✅

[worn elk]

how come tarragon armour is being removed

?

[limber drift]

Its planned to be replaced with like a profaned armour because tarragon doesn’t really make sense to be post providence and is currently planned to be removed as a whole

[worthy fractal]

dying 🪦

[worthy fractal]

makes sense i only hope they dont remove terratomere

(which they prob wont anyway)

[limber drift]

I feel like entirely scrapping the aedthetic of the set would be kinda lame imo so like completely removing everything would suck

[worthy fractal]

yeah

[limber drift]

I personally would love if it became like a smaller thing and since it is canonically fossilised trees making it into like a wood would be cool

Also they 100% shouldn’t remove the furniture set and blocks that would be incredibly wasteful of all those sprites

[limber drift]

A lot of Calamity’s expert mode drops are like class specific

Mana polarizer, dynamo stem cells, kind of hide of astrum deus and spectral veil all also give very class focused buffs

[fleet grotto]

i do think it's kinda weird that the melee accessory is a counterpart to the classless accessory

Though they are craft able into eachother, it still feels weird

[limber drift]

Bloody worm tooth being a random stat accessory is so boring

And its not like even a fairly rare stat like worm scarf its just melee dmg and defence

[lucid marsh]

Just thought of something. What if you could kill plantera in prehardmode in order to activate hardmode, but without spawning the extra evil biomes?

Like it would cause souls to start dropping in the existing corruption but not spawn the hallow, or only spawn a tiny hallow

[limber drift]

But like the souls in her aren’t gods like wof so like it wouldn’t do anything`

[humble scarab]

wof releases stuff

[lucid marsh]

I guess it would have to spawn hardmode ores too if it were to be used to skip progression

[humble scarab]

hes the guardian or smth

[lucid marsh]

The souls of light and night aren't god souls, they're just empowered by essence. The essence is already there for the corruption, so enough power should be able to bring out full souls from that

I think alternative progression paths are cool

[limber drift]

Well hardmode ores being added wouldn’t really help progressions since perennial already allows you to get them

[lucid marsh]

Even if it isn't plantera, there should be a way to activate most of hardmode without WoF

You need a mythril anvil and adamantite forge

[limber drift]

Why though wall of flesh is meant to be mandatory and no-wof is meant to be like a silly challenge run

[limber drift]

Shimmer perenial from perenial slimes

[lucid marsh]

Killing WoF is partly evil since you have to kill the guide and it apparently spawns a bunch of new evil biomes all over the world. I want an alternative progression method that is harder but not a wacky exploit like roxcalibur

I want to simply be able to beat a hard boss early to be able to skip progression

[limber drift]

… you can do ravager first boss though

[lucid marsh]

Huh

[limber drift]

So like I don’t even think roxcalibur is mandatory still

[lucid marsh]

I guess technically but that seems almost more exploity

Also ravager is being changed

[indigo yacht]

obsolete???

[half imp]

practical implementation of this alone vetos it from existing

Doing this would mean killing wall of flesh after plantera would still not spawn the evils

but even if it was practical to do I still don't think it's a good idea

there's no reason WoF of all bosses should be specifically given a mechanic to skip it

j don't think any other boss has a mechanic like that

[golden sonnet]

Also WoF is already skippable, it just doesn't allow access to literally everything else if you do

The fact we enable WoF to be skipped at all is enough imo

[kind laurel]

kid named Band of Starpower (mage)
I agree with the sug though

[half imp]

band of starpower was from before it was a class specific item

because it's older than classes

[kind laurel]

Yeah I was joking

[calm knot]

@verbal basin download a veinminer i beg you

[drowsy plank]

do i flag this yall

conceptually i dont mind it but there's just

nothing there

[keen zodiac]

also grax already exists

[drowsy plank]

you could come up with reasons for this

[drowsy plank]

you dont need to act like crystal crusher (idgaf about the spelling) and grax are comperable bc they arent

crusher's beam is so much faster it isn't even funny

but also im 90% sure DCU also does walls now so

this doesnt seem very relevant tbqh

[worthy lintel]

dcu does infact carve walls

so huh yeah

[lucid marsh]

I wish the DCU was usable later in the game, especially for Exodium clusters

It already costs Luminite to make, you should give it more pickaxe power

[limber drift]

But then like luminite pickaxes wouldn’t really have a use case

[lucid marsh]

Luminite pickaxes are required for Exodium clusters

Which is important for getting enough Luminite to not have to grind moon lord

[limber drift]

I meant to say wouldn’t sorry

[lucid marsh]

They would be an alternative to the DCU that doesn't require like 40 of every metal bar

And doesn't take your mount slot

[limber drift]

Why shouldn’t we like have a reason to refight moon lord? Like shouldn’t there be stuff to make it something that you just don’t have to do

[limber drift]

You can just like use the dcu item when you’d want to use it

[lucid marsh]

Then remove Luminite pickaxes?

My entire point is that the DCU isn't useful for mining by the time you get it, only clearing land

[limber drift]

Because thats kinda the point of it thats like how its designed to be used

[lucid marsh]

You're getting ahead of yourself. The Luminite clusters already exist for this purpose and the Luminite pickaxes can mine them

[limber drift]

Thats like its purpose

[drowsy plank]

does DCU not scale with drill power

[limber drift]

I will say them having luminite is kinda stupid cos it means the only reason to re-fight moonlord is to gamble for one of the weapon drops

Like them for some reason containing both luminite and exodium is very dumb because like why did they put two almost identical themed ores together one of which is normally just an enemy drops is so weird

[frail swan]

yhari m

m die

[limber drift]

Joke suggestions aren’t allowed

[indigo yacht]

this is the second time they've done this

[lucid marsh]

It does not

[drowsy plank]

stupid

[frail swan]

n

[lucid marsh]

In vanilla it's at the end of the game anyways, no point

It can't mine Exodium or anything above that

But it can mine luminite

If I remember correctly

[drowsy plank]

you were already told joke suggestions arent allowed once so this is just deliberate rulebreaking and you will be getting a strike for this

[limber drift]

Copper pickaxe can mine luminite every pick can in vanilla

[glass arch]

this is because luminite doesnt have mining power requirements

[limber drift]

Since like its not supposed to be mined up and just be dropped

[keen zodiac]

brother

just stop

[drowsy plank]

You've been given a Warn, if you keep posting like this, you'll be timed out.

[keen zodiac]

i think they left the server

[drowsy plank]

good

[indigo yacht]

"i like calamity mod" not that much evidently

[lucid marsh]

Oh lol

Even so!

[limber drift]

I will say making dcu inherit pickaxe power would like basically only mean it can only then gain the ability to mine exodium, uelibloom and auric which like would be like a lot of work while not really doing all too much

[drowsy plank]

we know distortion will exist Eventually™

this is future proofing

[lucid marsh]

True!

And like what if there's some auric or uelibloom in the way when you're digging an area

[limber drift]

But also then like wouldn’t it basically mean the instant we get a pick that could break like its blocks we could demolish it incredibly quickly with the dcu meaning there would be far less “pickaxe” progression post-ml

[indigo yacht]

heaven forbid we ruin the progression from luminite to eulibloo- oh wait that's literally it

there's only 2 ignoring the dev one

[limber drift]

Yeah but like when we get the distortion it would be very very easy to demolish if dcu could destroy the blocks using your pickaxe

[lucid marsh]

Yes. And that's good. It's a bonus you get for going a little out of your way to save up like 40 of each unique metal bar

The DCU still has a mining speed

[indigo yacht]

when we get the distortion in 3029

[limber drift]

You could just shimmer your old gear

[lucid marsh]

It isn't instant

Not for specter and shroomite bars

[limber drift]

So youd just need to get glowing mushrooms and ectoplasm

[lucid marsh]

Plus like. Isn't it ok to have something feel strong by the end of the game?

Hundreds of glowing mushrooms yes

[limber drift]

Since the shimmer chain means like many of the bars are able to be turned into eachother

[lucid marsh]

Ok. Is that a problem?

[indigo yacht]

i think its ok not to balance stuff around it just yet, if it's a problem in the future it can simply be removed

[limber drift]

Wait for like a couple hundred mushrooms isn’t like actually something the player should be rewarded with completely ignoring any actual mining post moon lord

[indigo yacht]

I'm fine with going out of my way to get dcu if it's actually useful for destroying stuff

we already have stuff like scorpio

[tepid crown]

just make mounts not work in the distortion cluele

[indigo yacht]

the distortion in 302

bc

[tepid crown]

dang

jesus can play calamity

with distortion

[indigo yacht]

the distortion released 2328 years ago

we just forgot

[limber drift]

But like the point of dcu is to be a tool to clear out large areas

[tepid crown]

anyways dcu isnt that fast so its not like it will be clearing out the entire distortion probably

[craggy girder]

is this the sphere or the onyx lab drill

[tepid crown]

sphere

the onyx drill is just called onyx drill

[craggy girder]

because i feel that if the distortion is Made Well, you really should not need to mine (a lot of it*)

[tepid crown]

[craggy girder]

or alternatively you pull an infernum and you just Cant

[indigo yacht]

fun fact

you can use infernum golem arena to blow up part of the garden

[limber drift]

Isn’t mining like one of the major aspects of terraria

[indigo yacht]

because it summons the brick around it and then deletes the brick after

[craggy girder]

the poorly generating garden or the profaned garden

[novel belfry]

...elaborate

[indigo yacht]

you place it down and then use it and then despawn golem

[limber drift]

Place the lihzard altar you mean

[indigo yacht]

yea

[kind laurel]

"Fight. Dig. Build."
I'd say so but considering Calamity is "Fight. Fight. Maybe other stuff idk." who knows if it matters

[limber drift]

Calamity is not just a boss rush

[craggy girder]

Fight. Fight. Die. Fight. I Think You Build A Bit. Maybe Some Farming. Oh Yeah Potions. Fight. Die.

[limber drift]

Bro calamity just being about like mostly combat is like not what calamity really is at least planning to be

[kind laurel]

I feel like it at least was very combat-centred in its infancy but removing that is thrown in the Eventually™ hellhole

[limber drift]

Also like if calamity was all about boss fights then like why do like all but like 4 bosses completely suck from both a game design and enjoyability view

[vocal wedge]

What will we have after five hundred boss fights?

[worthy lintel]

i'd still have old duke

[calm knot]

cause fabsol

they're working on making it better

[worthy lintel]

i can't lie this type of discussion always bring me a corner smile because if old bosses were complete dogass as some say calamity would not have topped the charts for years to come

[lucid marsh]

True

[worthy lintel]

it did however age very, very badly

[limber drift]

Actually challenging combat and not just mindlessly grinding enemies also probably also like takes up less than a third of gameplay time maximum

[lucid marsh]

I'd like you to remember the environment calamity released in

[calm knot]

at the time they were top of the line

[lucid marsh]

Calamity was released at a time when recolored skeletron prime was peak content

[calm knot]

you could hardly do better

[kind laurel]

so it recolored Destroyer

glorious spritework

[lucid marsh]

And Duke fishron AI was new and exciting

Eyeball SCal was also exceptional spritework for the time

[calm knot]

but now its,
not so great

[lucid marsh]

And a fight with a bullet hell phase? Never done before

[calm knot]

and then the brainworm took over and made fabsol choose to just leave them like that

[fossil finch]

im sorry but that's an awful argument because people like. Can have low standards. U know

[limber drift]

At the time it wasn’t bad in comparison to other mods because they all had like similar low quality

[worthy lintel]

i prefer not throwing people right away in the bad taste chipper

its kinda mean to do that

[lucid marsh]

We're not saying it's good by modern standards

[fossil finch]

A huge chunk of people care 0 about the substance of calamity fights and just remember the dokuro song

Like please

[lucid marsh]

But old calamity was miles better than everything else around at the time

[limber drift]

No not bad taste its that like overall the general scale the mods had at the time gave different expectations

[lucid marsh]

Look at thorium. Even today it's kinda ass. But back then it was the main thing to compare to

That said, I would say that old calamity had higher highs and lower lows than old thorium

[fossil finch]

well yeah people had low standards yeah thats what i said

[worthy lintel]

over the years i have seen enough people talk about how they play tmod muted so the dokuro carry only goes up to a limit if we wanna remain objective

[fossil finch]

It's just a rlly poor argument to go erm well... Calamity wouldn't be big if the bossfights were bad!

Both not true and also just reductive

[kind laurel]

I'm pretty sure Thorium based itself on consistency

[indigo yacht]

dokuro music and the sheer size of the mod would be my two main guesses as to why calamity was popular

[lucid marsh]

Calamity was popular even before it had any uniquely music

[kind laurel]

At least marketed with "extensively balanced content"

[fossil finch]

like aa was genuine calamity competitor and it had 6 bossfights with major bugs

[lucid marsh]

I still remember excitedly waiting for each new dokuro song

[worthy lintel]

extensive content walked so dok music could run

[kind laurel]

Cal probably was one of the first game-spanning mods

So that helped

Even if the content wasn't great

[worthy lintel]

credit is due to avalon for calamity existing

old historyu

[fossil finch]

Calamity was lucky and opportunistic like 90% of things that become popular

[lucid marsh]

I loved the calclone theme when I first heard it back in high school. I still think it's peak.

[fossil finch]

Even good things r lucky and opportunistic

[vocal wedge]

What did Avalon even do?

[indigo yacht]

add items

and some other unimportant stuff

[fossil finch]

I just think it's really silly to pretend calamity fights ever had any particular merit that made the mod popular

[worthy lintel]

avalon was basically the first content mod

[lucid marsh]

Falling star spellbook

That one astrum deus drop is from avalon

I think

Comet crusher or whatever is also from it I think?

[worthy lintel]

quasher...

actual og item

[lucid marsh]

Ok here's a list of Avalon references in the mod

Iridescent Excalibur
Rock
Necroplasm
Pearl shard
Star shower
Desert feather
Rouge Slash
Void Edge ...

There's more

[worthy lintel]

the forbidden master death sprime fight

[indigo yacht]

lowkey that was fire we should add it back

[limber drift]

That hellspawn of a fight was a reference

[tepid crown]

desert feathers are dead and pearl shards and necroplasm have different names compared to the items they used to be references to

and iri excal is dead

[worthy lintel]

while the execution was inexorably dog, i fully respect the idea of paying homage to the mod that gave you the idea to make cal in the first place

could have been neat.... maybe in another life

[vocal wedge]

So in short we have Wales to blame for Calamity.

[limber drift]

Yeah but like it was genuinely unfun to fight especially since it went against how calamity wanted to make early hardmode less linear by making one of the mechs into super mecha mayhem

[worthy lintel]

plantera being easier sure was a move

🦅

[lucid marsh]

Astrageldon was a reference

[limber drift]

It was like Mechdusa if she was less fun somehow

[lucid marsh]

One that should have stayed

[limber drift]

We don’t need 4 slime bosses as much as astra hold a special place in my heart

[indigo yacht]

hate that country fr

[lucid marsh]

I think slime god should be a recurring villain that shows up with a new biome slime every 4 bosses I think that would be funny

[vocal wedge]

Woah, woah, woah!

[worthy lintel]

clearly we resprite aureus so there's pieces of astralgeldon leaking out of it

(spriter hell)

[vocal wedge]

Resprite Aureus so we can tell what the hell it is.

[lucid marsh]

Aureus is so ass. I don't know why people think it's better than Astrageldon

[limber drift]

Honestly it could be fire if there was like a astrageldon-like miniboss

[indigo yacht]

dont mind me this is solely to screenshot and send to my friend as ragebait

[keen zodiac]

have you ever
have you watched a video of old astrageldon

[lucid marsh]

Slime god: "Survive my 7 biome slimes!"

[limber drift]

Aureus also sucks I do hate him so much on his own but for the overall mod he is less redundant

[indigo yacht]

the seven slime souls

[lucid marsh]

Yes. I've played it. Astrageldon and current aureus are about equal in my mind

[limber drift]

Plague slime paladin would go crazy

[crude geode]

^

[keen zodiac]

😭 😭 😭

[vocal wedge]

Add Slime God to Smash.

[crude geode]

Astrageladon did even less than aureus

[lucid marsh]

Exactly. I think slime god should match our power with the biome blade and eventually the ark of the cosmos and make a cosmos slime out of biome essences the same way we make the ark of the cosmos with the biome blade and such

[limber drift]

I will say the public opinion of astrageldon has definitely been completely twisted by catalyst’s astrageldon

[limber drift]

But isn’t slime god like explicitly meant to be the weakest god or something

[crude geode]

^

[vocal wedge]

Add-on devs must pay for their crimes.

[lucid marsh]

Yeah and flowey from undertale is weak as shit on his own but he's constantly scheming behind the scenes

[limber drift]

No he isn’t ???

[lucid marsh]

Slime god should be watching you and stealing scraps of godly essence you leave behind to get stronger

[limber drift]

He like could like easily kill the player if toriel didn’t stop him at the start

[drowsy plank]

he kills the whole underground except sans

multiple times

[keen zodiac]

yeah the only reason you survive him is plot armor

[lucid marsh]

He can't beat asgore. He is physically unable to defeat asgore under any circumstances

[keen zodiac]

at the beginning and before asriel

[limber drift]

Well its your determination

[drowsy plank]

and yet he beats undyne??

[limber drift]

Flowey isn’t weak asgore is just fucking cracked in reality

[keen zodiac]

toriel saving your ass isn't because determination 😭

[limber drift]

Well if she didn’t save us the timeline would be in an infinite loop

[lucid marsh]

It's a bit of both I think

[indigo yacht]

i look away for two fucking seconds and you all go from talking about avalon to deltarune

[lucid marsh]

But in any case I think slime god being a little scheming bitch would be both funny and cool

[fossil finch]

Flowey has done multiple full genocides he def can kill asgore

[crude geode]

This is peak sugg offtopic

[limber drift]

Asgore literally had dodge every attack undyne tried to hit him with in their training

[indigo yacht]

not deltarune this is undertale i think

[drowsy plank]

yes undertale

[lucid marsh]

No he literally says in game that there is no situation in which he has ever been able to beat asgore

[indigo yacht]

i haven't played either i don't know much about them

[limber drift]

Because asgore was too strong for flowey flowey isn’t weak asgore is actually just cracked

[keen zodiac]

you can oneshot asgore in geno by catching him off guard
flowey absolutely could do that given he's a tiny ass plant

super unassuming

[fossil finch]

Or is he just lying to you for pretense which is more likely

[keen zodiac]

why would you think a flower could kill you

[tepid crown]

i mean theres the genocide speech

where he

[drowsy plank]

i thought that it was that he couldn't get the souls and couldn't kill sans

[tepid crown]

quite straight up

says hes killed everyone

[limber drift]

He said sans gave him trouble but he could kill him eventually

[fossil finch]

like he's gone through literally every possible thing countless of times its the whole thing with him

[drowsy plank]

oh i c

[lucid marsh]

Maybe he meant that he killed everyone he could

Because like. He also says "I never could have gotten past him" about asgore

[fossil finch]

hes just hyping u up

[limber drift]

Hes also like immortal outside of when a more determined human fell into the underground

[lucid marsh]

He never actually says wether he ever manages to kill sans

[tepid crown]

^

[lucid marsh]

That's true

[tepid crown]

flowey isnt immortal anymore

[lucid marsh]

Also true

But maybe we should get back on track

[limber drift]

Also like humans in undertale are just like actually insanely strong

And asgore somehow killed 6 of them

[kind laurel]

To be fair they felt every single death

they'd just be done with being brutally killed after a while

[lucid marsh]

I think slime god should keep doing stuff in the background instead of dying, and get stronger, and have an actually cool fight at the end of the game

[kind laurel]

Goozma

[lucid marsh]

Yes basically goozma

[kind laurel]

He's back

[limber drift]

But like can’t slime god just be like a more minor character and not keep showing up?

[dense ferry]

You guys really pick the worst characters to be recurring villains

[keen zodiac]

slime god cannot ever be important enough to warrant that

[keen zodiac]

fr

[crude geode]

[limber drift]

Slime fraud being a reoccuring thing would be just kinda lame

[kind laurel]

screw every actually important character let's make Slime God absorb Noxus

[limber drift]

The only worse thing if like you chose idk like a worm boss

[tepid crown]

slime god isnt like funny or cool enough or watever to be a good reoccuring villain imo

[kind laurel]

Storm Weaver killsteals Xeroc

[lucid marsh]

Slime god is the only one that has a canon method of growing stronger like you do and so basically the only candidate for this

[limber drift]

Why not an actually deep or interesting character like idk signus

[crude geode]

Signuts

[lucid marsh]

The biome slimes being a parallel to the biome blade line attunements would be cool

[dense ferry]

Or, hear me out

[tepid crown]

everything has a canon method of growing stronger its called training and experience

[limber drift]

This idea is cool but like we don’t need like 5 slime god refights throughout the game

[dense ferry]

What if we don't make recurring villains and don't make specific characters hog the spotlight when there are 20 bosses we need to give focus to

And several other NPCs and characters and whatnot

[keen zodiac]

the actual ideal slime god rework would be to remove the prehardmode one, then hijack the queen slime fight and turn it into slime god + all 3 paladins

i've said that the terrarian's first encounter with a god is an excellent penultimate challenge for prehardmode, and i believe it would work even better as the first boss in hardmode

[limber drift]

Refights against bosses also end up being bloating if theres too many of them

[kind laurel]

I feel like the only way Slime God refight would work is basically Goozma but he's already been dead for a long time

[lucid marsh]

Well the idea is that you wouldn't have 5 refights, you'd actually just have like 1 and then he's in the background stealing the essence of other things you fight without giving you another fight until the end

[keen zodiac]

and this kills 2 birds with 1 stone (slime god placement and queen slime sucking)

[limber drift]

So like a random early game boss (not even the first boss) coming back with like a superhard rematch would feel unearned

[kind laurel]

At least Flowey can be seen stalking you

Idk how Slime God would be doing that

[limber drift]

And also is like a major lore character

And like the first thing you meet in the underground and like is going against all the other characters you meet

Slime god is just some low tier god

[keen zodiac]

are we seriously comparing slime fraud to flowey 😭

[kind laurel]

We've been

[fossil finch]

What if we just remove the fucking guy atp

[lucid marsh]

Whenever you kill a boss that would release a lot of biome essence, make him have a chance to spawn at the spot where the boss died, and run away moments after he's on screen

[kind laurel]

[limber drift]

Just make slime god a mid hardmode mini-boss

[keen zodiac]

perfect solution right here

[kind laurel]

Actually would probably step on vanilla too much

[fossil finch]

yeah let's just rework queen slime because slime god just needs to exist

[keen zodiac]

it's queen slime literally nobody cares

[kind laurel]

Just do the CalClone - Slime God tier swap

[keen zodiac]

bad

[limber drift]

Slime god doesn’t need to be too deep calamity should show that like some gods aren’t like absurdly powerful

[fossil finch]

Make slime god the first epilogue boss

[kind laurel]

You could say that about basically every other boss

[limber drift]

good

[keen zodiac]

no???

[kind laurel]

Every other as in half the bosses not every one, stupid words

[limber drift]

Cal clone being the penultimate prehardmode boss and scal being the penultimate overall boss would on its own even justify the switch

[kind laurel]

^

[craggy girder]

can we have evil2 be recurring villains :D

[kind laurel]

Also mid-preHM is a fair place for a weak god

[limber drift]

For the new hallowed rogue helmet suggestion calamity could just wait till 1.4.5 and just use the new hallowed helmet as the rogue hallowed helmet

[lavish yoke]

make it so qs requires sg to be beaten so it makes sense in lore

[indigo yacht]

what do you mean new hallowed helmet

[keen zodiac]

a part of the fight is that a first time player would think it's actually calamitas, which would never be believable in prehardmode

also, you'd have to significantly nerf the fight for it to be reasonable with prehardmode mobility

[limber drift]

I mean the vanity hallowed crown

[indigo yacht]

oh

[limber drift]

A new thing in 1.4.5

[indigo yacht]

i guess

in 1.4.5 Chlorophyte technically also has all classes represented but i figured i would wait to suggest that until tmod is on 1.4.5

[limber drift]

Like its a good idea for there to be a rogue helmet its just theres like the perfect way to do it

[kind laurel]

it says "Summons Calamitas Clone"

[limber drift]

I will say chlorophyte armour in vanilla confuses me like why another all class armour on tier with hallowed armour

[kind laurel]

I don't think that's tricking anyone

[keen zodiac]

i believe that will be changed in the rework

[indigo yacht]

in its current state calclone is such a pushover you wouldn't need to nerf anything besides brothers

I've done it phm before twice

brothers are the only part that's genuinely too fast to dodge without cracked mobility

[limber drift]

Also like obviously the fight would be nerfed thats how like a re-tier works

[keen zodiac]

her fight has really good fundamentals right now

[indigo yacht]

there's little logic regarding terraria armor sets

[keen zodiac]

changing that drastically would be sad

[limber drift]

Its just calamitas lite though

[keen zodiac]

wow almost like the character is also calamitas lite

[tepid crown]

there's little logic regarding terraria armor sets

[limber drift]

Yeah but its not like changing it wouldn’t be loosing a unique and special fight

[keen zodiac]

retiering would also fuck up the music even more than it's gonna be, since it includes motifs from every calamity boss before her

[indigo yacht]

foreshadowing

🥹

[keen zodiac]

weak explanation

[indigo yacht]

I don't care

[limber drift]

What other motifs appear in her theme again

[keen zodiac]

realistically that would mean it's foreshadowing slime god

[indigo yacht]

sometimes it makes me love this game and sometimes it makes me want to explode

[fossil finch]

Make a new theme

😌

[limber drift]

If they do this make sure to keep the old one as a music box

[keen zodiac]

desert/aquatic scourge, crabulon, hive mind, perforators, slime god, cryogen, brimmy

[keen zodiac]

what if i kill you

[kind laurel]

Real honestly
Shroomite can go to hell btw

[fossil finch]

It would be for nothing

[kind laurel]

isn't evil2 already almost confirmed to be tier swapping

[keen zodiac]

yes
hence "fuck it up more than it's already gonna be"

[limber drift]

So like a boss before her still, another boss before her still, bosses that are going to be sent after her no matter what, slime god, a boss containing calamitas’ teacher, and a boss calamitas directly has ties to

So like the only illogical change this would have is slime god being in the theme

[keen zodiac]

also another point against the retier: silence before the storms
it's very clearly leading into the leviathan and would not work at all for wall of flesh, who also has an interlude right after it

[limber drift]

Whats that again?

[keen zodiac]

and then there would be no hardmode interludes until you kill moonlord

[limber drift]

Is it one of the interludes

[keen zodiac]

yeah

[kind laurel]

If it's gonna be broken anyway it really doesn't matter if one little thing is shifted as well

[limber drift]

But like… couldn’t it just be after slime god

[kind laurel]

Give it to Slime God then'

[limber drift]

So like after the first god you’ve killed

[keen zodiac]

still way less impactful and you know it

[limber drift]

The first step following in yharims footsteps in being a god killer would probably be similarly impactful

[kind laurel]

killing troll Calamitas v a literal god

[keen zodiac]

disingenuous

[kind laurel]

possibly strawmaning a bit here but you get my point

beat me to the punch huh

[keen zodiac]

calclone has quite a lot of narrative depth, as archon has explained

she's what everyone else sees calamitas as

the monster who kills without reason

[limber drift]

But like they can be at the end of prehardmode and still have that depth

[keen zodiac]

of course

but you'd never believe yourself it's the real calamitas

[kind laurel]

Since WoF is vanilla so it half-counts as a finisher for pre-HM CalClone would be the finale of the first third of the game rather than halfway through the second

[fossil finch]

If your arguments against a retier r just "well it kills daddy dokuro's aura" i think you need to reconsider

[kind laurel]

which is a bigger milestone imo

[glass arch]

youd also not believe her being plantera tier so like

[keen zodiac]

that's like
2 of my 6 arguments

[fossil finch]

Like the interludes are irrelevant come on

[tame vigil]

#suggestions-posting message
@indigo yacht when it gets to voting
will be immediately locked

[keen zodiac]

it's certainly way more plausible

[kind laurel]

no one would, she's still pre-Golem

no boss the game is named after would be before Golem

[glass arch]

more plausible sure but that doesnt mean actually believable

[indigo yacht]

i take it to mean that my original suggestion just got pushed back then

[keen zodiac]

i don't think you can claim nobody would
this is from the perspective of somebody who doesn't know the boss progression or lore

[glass arch]

ok but if you dont know the lore

[indigo yacht]

"who the FUCK is calamitas"

[glass arch]

why would calamitas being pre hardmode matter

[keen zodiac]

because you'll learn about her in prehardmode when the mod doesn't suck

[dense locust]

because her name is litterally calamitas

in the calamity mod

[indigo yacht]

rename to supreme calamity mod

[fossil finch]

In today's contest of meaningless arguments

[indigo yacht]

duh

[dense locust]

true....

[limber drift]

But also like the swap isn’t just to improve cal clone it will also make slime god make more sense

[tepid crown]

i cant wait to fight mister fable in fables

[keen zodiac]

2 bosses being retiered is quite meaningful actually

[tepid crown]

or the spirit in spirit reforged

[kind laurel]

remove both calamitases naming bosses after the mod is cringe

[dense locust]

@ender get on it

[keen zodiac]

again
would make more sense combined with queen slime

[limber drift]

Instead of slime boss -> wof -> slime boss it becomes cal clone -> wof -> slime boss

[fossil finch]

None of you seem to be thinking about gameplay or actual narrative and are just like. But what if an hypothetical person gets confused about nothing

[kind laurel]

Which steps on vanilla
Might as well make Ravager give Golem the Tiso treatment

[limber drift]

Calamity doesn’t try to entirely replace vanilla bosses identities though

[kind laurel]

Narrative is killing a god later than pre-HM and giving pre-HM a Calamity-themed finale

[keen zodiac]

the brain of cthulhu rework also "steps on vanilla" and their vision for the fight
which was ass, so it was changed

[indigo yacht]

suggestions discussion is where ideaspeople go to kill each other

[kind laurel]

okay yeah but it doesn't just add another boss

[limber drift]

No because its still brain of cthulhu and not replacing ass vanilla boss with another

[fossil finch]

It used to be the realm of people having their hundredth weekly class identity discussion

[kind laurel]

I have fallen into it's jaws, there is no escape
Pray for my soul

[keen zodiac]

it's not replacing

queen slime would be less of a focus but she'd still be there

[glass arch]

anyways any tiering of calclone that isnt at least post moon lord will feel touchy at best even from a first impressions standpoint because the mod is named after calamitas and considering calamity is well known for having post moon lord content you wouldnt think "oh yeah the boss the mod is named after sure that makes sense to just be around plantera"

[dense locust]

tbf isnt thorium ore a prehardmode ore

[fossil finch]

Yes

[keen zodiac]

and terra blade is post plant

[fossil finch]

Also hypothetical random guy who somehow cares about this is going to understand and not be confused about calclkne

[lavish yoke]

instead of calamitas clone it should just say calamitas

[tepid crown]

i cant wait to fight mutant from far- wait what do you mean you can actually fight him

[rancid lotus]

Thorium Ore is pre-boss tmk.

[fossil finch]

Like ideally you would know its a clone by the time you kill the thing anyways

[limber drift]

Thats like if they decided to make like the cultist fight instead just be like a dragon replica thing being the foucs they made but like cultists is also still there

[fossil finch]

Because the entire point is that she's setup

[keen zodiac]

i would be fine with that if it was executed well

[limber drift]

Also the boc changes are rev/death exclusive so like slime god would like just not exist outside of those difficulties

[glass arch]

ok but thorium ore is also not "this is fake shit btw the real thorium ore is LATER"

[keen zodiac]

ok good point

hm

[novel belfry]

can we please have the dragon replica as a miniboss in the dungeon

[limber drift]

Phantasm dragon as a mini-boss would go hard

[rancid lotus]

It's a clone not even the real boss.

[keen zodiac]

isn't it a bit weird you can install calamity, and unless you play rev or death the vanilla bosses are just completely unchanged

like that's strange

[glass arch]

no

that isnt

[kind laurel]

no

[indigo yacht]

i don't see how that's weird at all

[lavish yoke]

what's the point here

[limber drift]

Because like those are where calamity wants to change the vanilla bosses through

[keen zodiac]

it's a modification to a game
and yet only modifies a large part of the game under specific circumstances

[kind laurel]

okay but mods are additions just as much as modifications

[limber drift]

Fargo’s souls doesn’t make every boss like eternity mode outside of eternity

[fossil finch]

famously terraria mods are largely content packs and not game reworks

[kind laurel]

And you can choose if you want to rework stuff

[fossil finch]

This isn't weird

[rancid lotus]

Only weird if the boss fight is bad.

[lavish yoke]

when you download a mod and the game is modified

😱

[kind laurel]

Bad argument, most vanilla bosses are

[limber drift]

Thats like the reason so many mods add custom difficulties so vanilla bosses can be changed while still keeping the original

[glass arch]

yeah

[novel belfry]

this is probably the most annoying argument ive seen and im not even in it

[glass arch]

90% of boss rework mods dont ONLY rework bosses

[keen zodiac]

i agree

[fossil finch]

i think difficulties were popular because calamity did them instead of because of an inner desire to make better vanilla bosses actually

[keen zodiac]

probably true

especially with The Horse

[fossil finch]

I would say stuff like mechs rework is coming from the later but most modes are just kinda there

[lavish yoke]

rename calamity mod into eazy e mod and resprite calamitas into eazy e the rapper

[keen zodiac]

tldr: calclone/slimegod swap bad

goobye

[lavish yoke]

a suggestion so good the argument stopped

[novel belfry]

well nevermind i have some words for you

[dense locust]

are difficulties really that popular though

I cant think of a mod that adds new difficulties that isnt related to either cal or fargos

[novel belfry]

and not the informative kind

[kind laurel]

True Mode

SoA

[dense locust]

oh right soa

[novel belfry]

the words in question are: "No", "Foolish", and "Childish"

And, most importantly

[dense locust]

my awesome new difficulty that only becomes a difficulty in post moon lord 🔥

[lavish yoke]

i have some words for you

[novel belfry]

"Taupo Supervolcano"

[lavish yoke]

"meow", "meow", and "meow"

[indigo yacht]

SO TRUE

thats literally what im saying

[kind laurel]

Discord users will say "i have some words for you," then say "meow."

[novel belfry]

anyhow thats my argumetn

[indigo yacht]

we live in a society

[lavish yoke]

i might be a discord user

[kind laurel]

the legend of CalMain

[north oracle]

good words

[novel belfry]

Discord users will respond to naysayers by posting Omega Amidias to stop chat in its tracks

[fossil finch]

Bunch of dead 1.3 mods did/wanted to

[lavish yoke]

is that the bast statue from terraria

[crude geode]

No

[indigo yacht]

no

[limber drift]

There was also Forgotten evils 🤮

[north oracle]

can someone make an actual photoshop flowey fight that's omega amidias btw

[north oracle]

no

[lavish yoke]

oh

[novel belfry]

no, make him a fight in the style of the WoTG bosses

[lavish yoke]

insert wotg slander

i cant think of any

[glass arch]

forgotten evils is an outlier

[novel belfry]

here is the slander

courtesy of me

[tame vigil]

fine. slimegod and scal are now swapped. no changes to to boss fight will happen, aside from stats

[lavish yoke]

No self promo

[glass arch]

even among bad mods its hard to be that bad while also thinking you're cooking so hard

[limber drift]

Random thing I know wotg is great but like I didn’t enjoy it much cos it made all of post moon lord feel so monotone in terms of emotions being all ominous since like everywhere became snow covered and the sun was gone

[kind laurel]

was meant to be a joke and not a promo but yeah I can see how it comes off like one

[crude geode]

Awesome

[kind laurel]

message belongs to the void now

[fossil finch]

It's okay we did it to spice up your monotonous calamity post ml bossrush

[novel belfry]

i think the issue is that it feels off because it intrudes on calamity's post ml feel, even if there isnt much about that

[lavish yoke]

That's not even breaking a rule

I just made you delete it for the fucks of it

[kind laurel]

meanie

[lavish yoke]

on the flip side

[limber drift]

I especially love to build but like I couldn’t really have variety since like everywhere was so ominous

[lavish yoke]

you get to skip old duke

[novel belfry]

this is why WOTG becoming an independent content mod is good, because it can actually stand to stand on its two feet

[limber drift]

Also the water freezing over was stupid

[fossil finch]

Like the fact it's disruptive is very much intentional and it was made that long because calamity has literally no content that it actually disrupts

[novel belfry]

and not stomp on someone's stuff

[limber drift]

Also it means like 50% of like youtube calamity runs become all about it post-ml cos they decided to add all the “calamity dlcs” as they call them

[lavish yoke]

🔥🔥🔥

[fossil finch]

That's good

That's great

Nameless cultural victory

[lavish yoke]

all part of lucille's plan to take over the world

[limber drift]

Its undoubtedly incredible as a mod but very much felt like it became too intrusive

Also I did feel like the lack of any new actual weapons and like no actual fair gameplay rewards for the fights felt underwhelming

Also why was mars a thing like what did they add

[lavish yoke]

dont talk about mars like that

they're nice

[limber drift]

They’re a nothing burger of a boss

[novel belfry]

dont disrespect my goated planet

[verbal basin]

Tha shit is literally cheating

[indigo yacht]

there's no wrong way to play calamity you know

as long as you're enjoying it, at least

[plush flame]

what about by installing all mods with calamity as a dependency

[verbal basin]

Vein miner, ore excavator, magic storage, all cheats

[glass arch]

still not the wrong way if you're having fun

the only wrong way to play is to make yourself not have fun

[plush flame]

i dont get how anyone would have fun considering the game ends at wof

[indigo yacht]

objectively fine but i will hunt you down and kill you

sorry i meant to say hug you and read you a bedtime story

[verbal basin]

I dont have fun when I lose to a boss, do you see me going in dragons lens and enabling god mode or enduring it because I have discipline

[indigo yacht]

typo!

[glass arch]

would you see me judging you for it

[verbal basin]

You should

[limber drift]

There is definitely a difference between like magic storage and like dragon lens

[verbal basin]

Then you arent learning or accomplishing anything

[glass arch]

thats right you wouldnt because i do not give a shit about the way you play the game you bought with your own money

[indigo yacht]

calamity players vs the concept of lighthearted enjoyment

[verbal basin]

$5 btw

[plush flame]

(10 when not on sale)

[verbal basin]

I’d give you $20 for free

[drowsy plank]

give me 20 dollars now

[indigo yacht]

🔥

[verbal basin]

Whats your venmo

[indigo yacht]

Cog

[drowsy plank]

yes?

[indigo yacht]

yeah

[drowsy plank]

ts was doxxing me before straight up now it's just my discord username

that should work

[verbal basin]

?

Ur username?

[drowsy plank]

before it was just my full legal name which i was not gonna send here OR in dms to a stranger but i changed it

[half imp]

give me $500

[drowsy plank]

eh?

you said venmo right

[verbal basin]

Deadass will if you add an easter egg about me

[drowsy plank]

maybe it's bc i just changed it

[verbal basin]

Ohh i meant zelle

[proud tree]

Hello

[verbal basin]

Hi

[proud tree]

@ ozzatron game is game right

[drowsy plank]

man they shut that app down it isnt even on the playstore anymore 😭

[lucid marsh]

I'll give you $20 if you add an item dedicated to me

[indigo yacht]

i will destroy the earth

[verbal basin]

I’m gonna give a 1 month nitro in this chat on my birthday

Stay posted deadass

[craggy girder]

game crashes bc i think cal overhaul breaks with something

[plush flame]

prolly not specifically cal overhaul but the slurry of 250+ mods

[craggy girder]

that is a mod with cal as a dependacny

[mystic sandal]

this is not true

something happened with a mod conflict that made the game crash on wof kill

othar than that, it is technically playable

[humble scarab]

Iirc there was smth about everything trying to generate at the same time

[mystic sandal]

I believe that

[humble scarab]

But pretty sure that wasnt overhaul fault

[mystic sandal]

It shouldn’t be overhaul’s fault no

It does nothing to worldgen outside of draedon labs which appear on world creation

Not hm

[humble scarab]

I think cal had this issue with astral

[mossy pelican]

Stop talking about calhaul in sugg discussion

[humble scarab]

But i dont remember exacly

[fossil finch]

This was catalyst

[grim tusk]

Known Catalyst bug, fixed for next patch

tbh might see with the others if we can get a hotfix out

[craggy girder]

i dont know what struck me to post this

however, it is really funny to imagine permafrost just. not fighting and just moving away at normal npc pace

(also he has 20k health, i dont think he NEEDS to defend himself if he can just gtfa from whatevers targeting you

[mossy pelican]

Or have him summon cryons to defend himself…

[novel belfry]

☝️

[plush flame]

i feel like the battle in question more pertains to large scale conflicts rather than defending yourself from the third hungry wolf tonight

also i'd imagine cryons would take at least a few seconds to make

[craggy girder]

true, actually

[worthy lintel]

it would look cooler for sure... but like would you really stand there if you were permafrost

also sounds quite inefficient compared to just icicle impale

also 🧑‍🎨 🔥

[kind laurel]

There are three kinds of people
"This game sucks I need QoL mods"
"QoL mods are awful and poison anyone who dare touch them to be horrible freaks of nature"
"Idk just play how you want to play"

[indigo yacht]

if people dont play the way i think is the right way to play then they should be executed or something

[tiny minnow]

I’m in the middle camp.

[rapid eagle]

guys does it break the rules if I post for midas prime and crackshot colt to shoot hitscans instead of projectiles? I want to make sure before doing anything

[craggy girder]

its not exactly against it, but you gotta specify for it a bit

why do the projectiles Need to be hitscans

[rapid eagle]

for when I try to shoot coins from far away, you see, when fighting bosses, players fly a lot, and the coins move faster according to your speed, a projectile makes it hard to land a shot on the coin, while a hitscan makes it easier to hit the coins no matter the distance between you and the coin

i say this because, with a projectile, you also need to slightly predict where is the bullet going, but a hitscan takes that away because its instant

btw i was also going to ask for a slightly bigger hitbox for coins (to, again, shoot them from far away)

[craggy girder]

while this keeps with its origins from ultrakill, i believe the idea of it is that you have to land a very precise shot to get a massive payoff

having a hitscan kinda prevents that need since you could just click on the coin

thats my opinion though

you can post it if yo uwant

[rapid eagle]

ok i'll try to come up with a good but concise explanation

[rapid eagle]

should i post this on suggestions-posting or balance-issue-reports?

[craggy girder]

suggestions-posting

its not really a balance issue but more a change you want seen

[rapid eagle]

alright

[indigo yacht]

can't you quite simply hold your mouse in the same position and then wait the same amount of time and as long as you don't change the direction of your movement while the coins are out always get a guaranteed hit regardless of direction or speed

that feels like a skill check to balance out the damage potential

the main problem with midas prime at least is the fuckass mechanic of destroying half your coins

[indigo yacht]

upon inspection the damage potential is pretty mid actually

[fossil finch]

I don't think this gimmick weapon whose gimmick is the whole aiming portion of this needs to be made easier to use

[lavish yoke]

holy shit grape beer has fucking destroyed ranger society

😭

hey i cant aim with the weapon that requires me to aim can you make it aim for me thanks

[half imp]

Developer Plant

[fossil finch]

Idea; You guys do this but it's a devil deal and the sacrifice is marksman rounds

[rapid eagle]

basically me

[limber drift]

Better Idea: Remove all ranger guns

[lavish yoke]

better idea remove @limber drift

[limber drift]

Okay Actually better idea: make all ranged weapon dart weapons

[lavish yoke]

better idea make @limber drift into a dart weapon

[limber drift]

A worthy sacrifice for there to be more than 4 (technically 5) dart weapons in calamity
I’d lay my life down for them

[craggy girder]

remove all weapons

again make all weapons buttons that do 0.1% of bosses health every 5 seconds

[kind laurel]

The only exception being Warmlung Geyser which deals damage like current weapons

[craggy girder]

what is that

[kind laurel]

Opposite of cold is warm
Heart and lungs are kinda similarly important body parts
Icicles and geysers are the most similar things I could think of for this
Put that together

[lavish yoke]

Why would you say that

[kind laurel]

Me? idk just failing at humor

[drowsy plank]

@rapid eagle i dont really feel like you're explaining your point here

you just say that the coins are hard to hit and then explain how to make them easier to hit

you're not really saying why this needs to be done

like

they're supposed to be hard to hit that's the damage tradeoff

you do more damage by hitting the coins

if you could hit the coins easily then there wouldn't be any tradeoff you would just be doing the higher damage

and going off of stuff in chat half of this is just because the gun is hitscan in ultrakill which is just reference and not relevant

i feel like you also aren't considering

terraria is 2D and ultrakill is 3D

so the loss of the extra dimension from ultrakill would be made up for in difficulty by the fact it isn't hitscan

if it was hitscan it would just be point and click

which isn't how the weapon works in ultrakill either

[lavish yoke]

make it so grape beer makes you deal halved damage

on all affected weapons

actually

cut the damage to a third

[rapid eagle]

Then I guess I should delete my suggestion then? Because I really couldn't come up with something else than having to aim and predict the coin's path while dodging attacks

[drowsy plank]

bleh
idk
i feel like there could be a valid point here but i was hoping you had more to back it up
i dont really want to delete this outright, so i guess i can just unflag it, but i really doubt anything will come of this

[lavish yoke]

another win for the REAL rangers

[rapid eagle]

I was thinking that having to predict the coin during a bullet hell makes the player opt to directly shoot at the enemies/boss rather than making use of the weapon's mechanics (which is something I did)

Considering both weapons are for hardmode before moon lord or other bosses before moon lord

[craggy girder]

what tier are you using it at

[rapid eagle]

I don't know what tier am I, I didn't really keep up track of my progress due to college

But i do remember beating plantera on expert

[kind laurel]

(I apologize I feel like I'm really awkward on Discord)

[lavish yoke]

its okay im more awkward

[lucid marsh]

It's supposed to be hard so that's actually a reason to keep it the way it is

[north oracle]

@gaunt trout hi this is way too specific
there is already established lore for what Moon Lord is and where it's from, it's just not fully conveyed in game (yet).
basically a specific suggestion about the details of the lore that isn't in the mod yet, and a specific lore item you want added both aren't allowed.

[gilded citrus]

the place Moonlords from literally is the distortion the bestiary is describing the distortion its the distortion not some other weird place its the distortion

[plush flame]

which is getting its own dedicated update eventually

[craggy girder]

Eventually™

[worthy lintel]

in 3 distortion years

[indigo yacht]

3 distortion years is 0.8847 fargo years

[craggy girder]

oh so decemeber

[errant wren]

0.8847 fargo years is roughly 23 calamity years

[indigo yacht]

that's not accounting for leap years though

[errant wren]

that's why i said roughly

[indigo yacht]

the leap years make a huge difference!

depending on how long they can jump

[drowsy plank]

how many years are in a calamity year

[errant wren]

at least 0.00000022

[indigo yacht]

4.3 but only in 5 dimensional space

[errant wren]

scientists are still working on it

[indigo yacht]

✅