suggestions-discussion

[half imp]

aureus unlocking the chest is SO dumb

[rancid lotus]

Why does the Aureus dying empower the infection in-lore?

[half imp]

if there was an astral key sprite and people didn't fight me on it in dev (which i don't think anyone would) i'd just

do that

[frail fox]

Assets needed

[vocal wedge]

Who knows.

[rancid lotus]

Should the key have Aureus' head on the top or Deus' head?

[vocal wedge]

The better question is HOW is there an Astral Chest.

[hazy nacelle]

astral key wouldn't have any "shortcuts" like the other keys would it?

[crude geode]

WDYM

[rancid lotus]

Ig it just gets infected by a stray piece of infection on hardmode 🤷‍♂️

[vocal wedge]

How is there a chest dedicated to rotting stars in the depths of the Dungeon?

[earnest raptor]

similar question can be asked about hallowed chest

[crude geode]

Bc Yharim was based???

[dense locust]

hallowed is implied to have existed at some point in the past

[vocal wedge]

The Hallow would have been around at some point for a chest to be based on it.
We have no idea if the Astral Infection has ever been on the planet before.

[gilded citrus]

Also mechs are made of hallowed metal

[crude geode]

I mean. presumably it was otherwise aureus’ existence as a scout for the place comes into question, and you’d have to try to explain it as Draedon investigating in the middle of a playthrough???

[keen zodiac]

yeah the hallow was around before yharim put it in wof

presumably

[hazy nacelle]

what even explains astral meteor falling after wof, specifically

[keen zodiac]

pure coincidence

literally

just happens to be around the same time

[vocal wedge]

He was.

[frail fox]

Peak explanation

[dense locust]

hell the weapons themselves could litterally be rationalized as a prized artifact of their followers or whatever prior to yharim doing yharim things

[vocal wedge]

Deus just happens to do it.

[vocal wedge]

Also, the meteor literally hasn't landed at the start of the game. There's nothing to investigate beforehand.

[keen zodiac]

draedon did start investigating in the middle of your playthrough

that already happens

[gilded citrus]

I mean yeah draedon exploring mid playthrough fits the character

[crude geode]

Wacky

[craggy girder]

i LOVE moon stone in my sun staff

[dense locust]

doze was not cooking with this recipe change I cant lie

[crude geode]

?

[vocal wedge]

What is the moon, but the sun's evil twin?

[crude geode]

The sun is the evil twin wdym

[craggy girder]

referring to the suggestion

its like half thematic but also like .

use really anything else sob .

[vocal wedge]

Moon's Haunted.

[crude geode]

I forgot the sugg mentioned vengeful sun staff ngl

[gilded citrus]

The moons like just actually evil in calamity lmao

Unrelated to the super apocalypse entity stored in it

[vocal wedge]

Moon's Haunted.

[crude geode]

In calamity? I think it is in vanilla

[keen zodiac]

fucked up and evil

[vocal wedge]

No, Calamity.

In Vanilla it's the moon.

In Calamity, it's the Moon.

[hazy nacelle]

what does the recipe change for vengeful sun staff actually accomplish

[crude geode]

What if I punt you to the moon

[keen zodiac]

eclipse theming or something

[dense locust]

flavor
thats basically it

[vocal wedge]

I'll haunt you.

[dense locust]

if you put enough slots into vengeful sun it eclipses or smth

[half imp]

vibes and aura

[hazy nacelle]

eclipse enemies don't even have anything to do with the sun or eclipses

[dense locust]

yeah these all could very easilly be either enemy drops or just like, aureus cell crafts

[half imp]

okay but it's combining a sun and a moon

into an eclispe themed item

[craggy girder]

we do not need more astral enemy drops

[half imp]

yes we do

[craggy girder]

we dont!!!

[keen zodiac]

no

[half imp]

astral enemy drops >>> aureus direct drops

[craggy girder]

every enemy post aureus drops an item

its too much!

[crude geode]

Too bad

[dense locust]

not true

[keen zodiac]

you get way too many enemy drops

[hazy nacelle]

we don't need more drops locked behind a boss kill

[dense locust]

hence why we need more

[craggy girder]

which one dont

[half imp]

way better than just crafting it with aureus cells or being dropped by aureus directly

[keen zodiac]

not really

[craggy girder]

i think we should like

[half imp]

actually makes players go explore and search for the item

[keen zodiac]

it makes less sense lorewise

[craggy girder]

have astral ore but not from deus

for aureus :)

astral scrap

[half imp]

i do not care if it makes less sense lorewise

[crude geode]

based

[craggy girder]

he gets flung upwards and explodes, flinging scrap Everywhere

[dense locust]

true...

[keen zodiac]

infected armor plating

[craggy girder]

and then you use that scrap

[half imp]

lore serves to enhance gameplay, not take precedence over it

[craggy girder]

NOT infected armor plating

astral scrap and astral circuitry .

[hazy nacelle]

equipment drops locked behind boss kills creates an issue where players almost never would run into said items unless they looked it up on the wiki or a mod that shows requirements for drops

[keen zodiac]

it would be armor plating that's infected

[crude geode]

We just removed random ass materials why would we add more

[craggy girder]

i mean i gu ess .

[dense locust]

fusion feeders, glommerling, astral probe, both sightseers

[half imp]

not if there's reasons to be in the biome anyway

which is the main issue with astral post aureus

[craggy girder]

bc this one can be like

useable

for more than 2 items

[half imp]

there's No Reason to be there

besides drops

[vocal wedge]

Astral Underground is like, entirely useless.

[hazy nacelle]

there is zero reason to go to underground astral at all

[craggy girder]

astral ore :)

[keen zodiac]

• starbuster core

[crude geode]

Ah yes it’ll be usable for aureus’ drops. like the other random garbage materials from bosses

[hazy nacelle]

who actually mines the ore when slimes are aplenty

[craggy girder]

also isnt astralachnea staff and hive pod

[dense locust]

astral in general is useless if we ignore drops :/

[oblique birch]

you can't be serious

[craggy girder]

it could be the next infected armor plating

[keen zodiac]

those aren't real

[half imp]

again, exluding the new drops

[craggy girder]

idk hive pod kinda kicks ass

[dense locust]

hive pod is real sorry you have been vetod

[crude geode]

Astralachnea is not a real weapon

[tardy geyser]

remove nebulash imo, its just a solar erruption clone

[hazy nacelle]

astralachnea staff could easily be a venom staff upgrade

[crude geode]

Astralachnea could easily be removed

[keen zodiac]

true

[crude geode]

All of these poison staff clones and nothing interesting done with any of them

[hazy nacelle]

post plantera mage weapons are too numerous, I'll agree to that

[craggy girder]

i used it a lot

[tardy geyser]

or if it was made pre mech then that could be fine i think, enough space between it and solar erruption then

[craggy girder]

it was good for i think Golem

[keen zodiac]

you're not real

[craggy girder]

ah but i am

i think, therefore i must be

[keen zodiac]

nuh uh

[crude geode]

That doesn’t make it well or interestingly designed

[craggy girder]

Rene Decartes said that! and i think he knows a little bit more about existing than YOU do

[gilded citrus]

Wrong

[crude geode]

Nah

[hazy nacelle]

good weapon because plantera's magic weapons are terrible

[crude geode]

^

I love leaf blower but it’s hot ass

Remove the Vilethorn copy from Plantera

It sucks ass

Thoughts?

[tardy geyser]

nettle burst, the vanilla weapon?

[glass arch]

yes

[hazy nacelle]

never

vanilla stuff is never going away despite how terrible they would be

[plush flame]

what does this even serve to accomplish

[crude geode]

The shitpost sugg or the latest one

[plush flame]

the shitpost one

the latest one is good i agree

[frail fox]

Means more people aren’t subject to using nettle burst

[craggy girder]

okay but like

they cant go the other way

on the recent sugg

imagine killing a boss and they just drop a ton of components and not a single weapon

killing ravager and they drop Bloody Chunks, Rock Crumbles, and Bloodletting Veins instead ofl ike

any items .

[keen zodiac]

that would genuinely be better than current rav loot pool

[craggy girder]

i mean yeah but then you gotta go through the process of crafting the ravager items instead of just

getting some

then again, you wont need to farm

[keen zodiac]

ok? good

[crude geode]

Cope and seethe

[craggy girder]

what is your problem

[dense locust]

rav pool is fine

[plush flame]

doesnt pbg have like

[keen zodiac]

every single weapon it drops can be removed with absolutely no consequence

[frail fox]

Until Ravager has his cathedral then there’s 0 point to changing his drops, he only unlocks those weapons anyway

[plush flame]

9 weapon drops

[crude geode]

8 byeah

[plush flame]

alright its 8 but yeah

she do not need that many

[crude geode]

Her greed sickens me

[polar bison]

I agree with some of these statements

[plush flame]

vanilla queen bee and plant having infinity drops is not a good thing i think

[polar bison]

I don't think Brimmy's should use Unholy cores

simply because she doesn't gate Unholy Cores

Just Infernal Congealments

[plush flame]

infernal congealment is the suevite slime

[polar bison]

Yeah but you can mine Suevite post mech 2 anyways

[frail fox]

EoL should stop having drops and should drop light shards instead (this is a bad idea)

[polar bison]

Which is where brimmy is

[craggy girder]

you're kinda getting my concern though

[hazy nacelle]

8 after removing 4 drops loll

[frail fox]

This is where you made them post-brimmy again

[crude geode]

Like the light mummy thing

[plush flame]

having a few drops is good but pbg's greed sickens me

[craggy girder]

instead of dropping like

cool items

they instead drop Gooberbucks

and you use these Gooberbucks to instead make the items

[frail fox]

They’re this but brighter

[polar bison]

Like I always wished Skeletron dropped more items

[craggy girder]

yeah no farming but also no "wow! cool boss item!"

[keen zodiac]

skeletron's reward is the dungeon

[crude geode]

^

[plush flame]

you'd be able to decraft the item and get a different one if you dont like it

[crude geode]

^

[plush flame]

also yeah bosses that unlock areas with a bunch of loot dont really need droops

[frail fox]

Yeah not every boss needs one, just something like pbg or SG which already drop a material makes sense at least

[plush flame]

granted thats exclusively skeletron and arguably wof

[craggy girder]

wof drops just

[dense locust]

a: not true
b: and???? that doesnt mean there is a problem with his drop pool containing weapons

[craggy girder]

random bullshit

[dense locust]

^

[craggy girder]

thats their whole gimmick

[frail fox]

Under no circumstance do new materials need to be added

In this context

[craggy girder]

thats my concern that they could is the issue

[plush flame]

but wof's new area is the world and your weapons might suck turbo ass for the new more powerful enemies

[craggy girder]

pbg could very easily have its stuff crafted

but like. what if later down the road they do Cal's Loot Swap but its All Items

(doomposting)

[hazy nacelle]

there is some weird persistence in having every boss drop or otherwise unlock one of each ranger weapon subtype

[frail fox]

Some post-pbg stuff should be crafted with just the plague canisters because it’ll make it slightly more real having more pre-pbg items

[keen zodiac]

true

[hazy nacelle]

there really is barely anything you can make immediately with canisters, most things need later materials anyway

[dense locust]

plague just needs less items in general this shit is not a big enough deal to warrant 15 weapons 2 armor sets and an arsenal set

[crude geode]

Nah she’s cool

[novel belfry]

alternatively retool a lot of those to be dropped from a reworked plague that's an event that occurs in the jungle

[crude geode]

Are we still on plague event

[keen zodiac]

[frail fox]

Plague needs 50 items

[keen zodiac]

plague biome

[crude geode]

Same difference

[novel belfry]

like instead of killing golem somehow releasing plague enemies, it gives a chance for an event thats the plague itself

[dense locust]

all of astral is only like 25 weapons for reference

[novel belfry]

you can still encounter plagued enemies outside the event, but most of them instead appear in this hypothetical plague event

[indigo yacht]

all the plague items should be gotten via fishing

[dense locust]

true?

[novel belfry]

might allow for a fun rework of the enemies in general

[crude geode]

^

[dense locust]

calamity enemies 🥀

[frail fox]

Plague but it’s localized to the trout economy

[crude geode]

The funniest thing is cal players hate normal enemies that actually matter (scorn eaters are one of the only threats and they are despised)

[craggy girder]

whats a scorch eater

[keen zodiac]

scorn

[crude geode]

Your mother

[indigo yacht]

i dislike scorn eaters because they're stupid

[craggy girder]

oh Scorn Eater

[indigo yacht]

you just grapple to the ceiling for half an hour to kill it

[craggy girder]

i dont like them bc they're moronically tanky

[glass arch]

its because their method of being dangerous is being annoyingly fast on top of also being very tanky and hitting very hard

[dense locust]

still funny to me that reaper sharks have a phase 2

[novel belfry]

in short they're janky and annoying

imo they should remain dangerous enemies, but in a different way

[frail fox]

Proof that they’re still a miniboss..

[indigo yacht]

and a phase 3 where they slow down for some reason

[crude geode]

Abyss minibosses are so funny

[oblique birch]

out of juice

[indigo yacht]

i think my suggestion is technically an oversight but I'll put it here just in case

[golden sonnet]

@indigo yacht have you tested in the current patch?

[indigo yacht]

the gif is from like 5 minutes ago

yeah

[golden sonnet]

we reduced the lifespan to attempt to fix this exact thing

[indigo yacht]

hmm

lemme check to make sure it's updated

[golden sonnet]

it's possible it wasn't enough

[indigo yacht]

yeah, 2.1.2

it did seem a bit better than i remembered

[rancid lotus]

Chat, do we think that the Alula Australis could also become a more precise weapon? Because currently it's a nightmare to use in multiplayer because it makes a large area difficult to see through because of these bright, large, wide-spread, long-lasting stars.

[lucid marsh]

Same with the worm marionette staff

It fills the whole screen with fancy projectiles

[distant gyro]

any longer and it will disappear on screen

so i think we are out of solution on the aurora

the stars have to move faster and fizzle out faster

at least on 4k

you also have to factor chasing the aurora

i can make it so it barely escapes a 4k screen and dies

right now it escapes a 4k screen and travels 30 more blocks

[half imp]

4k shouldn't matter

Terraria doesn't let it go over 1980 game pixels in width normally

1980x1200 is the cap resolution

[distant gyro]

okay well there is still a balance factor

enemies can be hit offscreen

instantly disappearing offscreen loses a solid amount of damage opportunity if you're spraying it on an indiscriminately far charging target like anahita

(also the projectile limit is way less likely of a scenario in combat as well)

here's a take on it

[indigo yacht]

oh what

this weapon is just cursed apparently

[distant gyro]

i did reduce it again from 3 to 2.4 seconds in that video

original was 5

(pre-2.1)

[rancid lotus]

Could you make it
A. Not cover the whole screen
or
B. Make it low opacity in multiplayer?

[distant gyro]

that's outside the scope i am willing to do for this weapon

[keen zodiac]

yeah it's almost unusable in multiplayer

[rancid lotus]

I tried fighting PBG with my friend while he used Alula Australis, he either had to switch weapon or had to fight the boss on the other side of the arena from me with how bad it was.

[spare bison]

#suggestions-posting message

This suggestion is cool and i Like this thank you cog 👍

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i think having a good balance of boss that drops weps directly and some that just use materials is cool

[tepid crown]

we should bring back rotten matter and bloody samples

[spare bison]

Eh, idk about those

Unless ur joking idk if u are boars myself

[tepid crown]

i am joking

[spare bison]

But yeah brimmy already drops unhoyl cores

[rancid lotus]

I think that weapons the boss drops should look like they've been ripped from the corpse of the entity and weapons that can't look like that should be made with materials.

[spare bison]

And pbg already drops infected armor plating

so,,

[drowsy plank]

pbg did get a few more crafts but she still drops 7 fucking weapons

[tepid crown]

no she doesnt

unholy cores are what you need to summon her

[rancid lotus]

Like “The Hive” dropped by PBG could be turned into one of her nuke cannons.

[grim tusk]

literally does a burning sky better than Burning Sky

[worthy lintel]

caught sharing misinfo in position of power

[drowsy plank]

no it should just be a rocket launcher upgrade PBG doesn't need more weapon drops

[worthy lintel]

as long as we get to keep malevolence because i love compound bows

[hazy nacelle]

PBG really is the poster child of dropping way too many things

[rancid lotus]

But using one of these as a mobility-based rocket launcher would be metal.

[spare bison]

oh ,my bad

[drowsy plank]

i never said they should be removed but while i did see doze's opinion on the drop table earlier, malevolence really should just be a bees knees upgrade

[tepid crown]

it literally functions as a bees knees upgrade

[rancid lotus]

Could make Virulence an upgrade to The Beekeeper.

[dense locust]

tbf its more like 6 given 1 is donor

[spare bison]

I feel like,

[grim tusk]

Go get CalVanities

[spare bison]

once a plague rework inevitably happens

Some of pbg's drops

could instead be associated with regular enemy drops

[grim tusk]

Tru

Like Plagued Fueled Pack atm

[hazy nacelle]

it's 8 weapons with one being the 10% drop

after removing 4 no less

[rancid lotus]

Wait why does Malevolence use regular bees when Plague Bees exist in Plaguenade?

[worthy lintel]

pbg drops a rocket launcher so we need to give queen bee a rocket launcher for consistency 🙏

[spare bison]

given pbg's legendary weapon already is a rogue item

the syringe could be maybe a regular enemy drop

[keen zodiac]

💀

[drowsy plank]

if you want to go all in on my idea of having PBG's only unique drop (other than her legendary) be infected armor plating then yeah i could see it

the rest literally are just upgrades tho; plague staff is just plague venom staff, virulence is just bee keeper, malevolence is just bees knees

the only weapons that actually need to stay on PBG are like syringe, infected remote, and malachite

[keen zodiac]

also note that the plaguebringer miniboss has exactly one gear drop (plagued fuel pack or whatever)

[drowsy plank]

mostly because i cannot figure out for the life of me what syringe would be an upgrade to

[hazy nacelle]

genuinely what is the point of having weapons like The Syringe, you just want the better weapon anyway and getting the inferior one is just making you feel bad

[grim tusk]

Legendary items have different plans for em

Unless they all got scrapped or smth

[rancid lotus]

Actually Virulence functions differently to Bee Keeper. It could however be reworked to be a true melee that summons plague bees.

[spare bison]

They do but they're still boss drops regardless

[drowsy plank]

plaguebringer miniboss should explode it adds nothing 💥

[spare bison]

its true

[keen zodiac]

[rancid lotus]

Plague Caller (Plaguebringer Pet Item) should be a Plaguebringer Mini-boss drop.

[spare bison]

Yeah i think

[drowsy plank]

you could just make it function like its old upgrade plague keeper but lower the base damage and it would work

[worthy lintel]

nah its a memento of the old sprite we need it still...

[spare bison]

syringe would be much better off as a drop of one of the plague enemies

[spare bison]

If youre gonna have a plague miniboss, atleast make it something actually cool and uniuqe

[worthy lintel]

i dunno man why is a random bat dropping a clean syringue

[spare bison]

plaguebringer is a queen bee miniboss on a tier and aesthethic that already has a queen bee BOSS

its so. why

[grim tusk]

Malachite could be instead a Life Alloy craft

[drowsy plank]

MEMENTOS OF THE OLD SPRITES ARE HOW WE GOT 8 WORM BOSSES; NO MORE I SAY

[grim tusk]

Actually rogue has no life alloy crafts lmao

[worthy lintel]

[hazy nacelle]

why is a random plant dropping an uzi

[dense locust]

this is a refernce to how life alloy crafts are not real

[novel belfry]

redesign the bat to have its fangs grown into syringes for some reason

[grim tusk]

And no EoL drop either, altho highly doubt that fairy cage idea is gonna get used now, actually that idea is ass please do not use it since its plaguenade 2

[drowsy plank]

there's no way life alloy is surviving but if it's like a cultist-ish tier living shard craft i could see that working

[worthy lintel]

angry trappers eat humans so it ate someone's uzi in the process 🤓

[rancid lotus]

Plaguebringer should actually act like an infection spreader, it goes above us and carpet bombs plague spreading bombs, it spits out plague projectiles, anything other than “high hp queen bee”

[drowsy plank]

what bat is dropping a syringue anyway

[dense locust]

none it was in reference to making syringe a drop

[rancid lotus]

Syringe should look like the tail of PBG.

[dense locust]

(which it shouldnt be syringe should either stay pbg or be a craft)

[drowsy plank]

i thought maybe they were thinking about rabies vaccine from fargos lol

[keen zodiac]

the trophy is the stinger

[worthy lintel]

granted i stopped complaining about drops when 1.4 made eater of souls drop burgers

like sure let me eat the burger that was carried by a thing that is literally dripping rotten fluids

i knew it was joever and would never make sense again

[glass arch]

see you get it

thats the spirit

[rancid lotus]

Reskin trophy 🤷‍♂️

[novel belfry]

i genuinely dont blame fabsol for wanting to change how non-fruit food was obtained

[keen zodiac]

why

[novel belfry]

because yea

[drowsy plank]

this sounds like a whole lot of pointless spritework for no payoff

[novel belfry]

burgers from eater of souls? huh?

[drowsy plank]

id rather the weapons just be cool no need to tunnel design in requiring it to look like part of the sprite

[worthy lintel]

its still great after all these years

but im digressing

[drowsy plank]

this is a metacommentary on how mcdonalds tastes like rotting garbage now

[worthy lintel]

granted there could be a study case about pbg being one of the few bosses worthy of the rationale of making her drops part of her

emphasis on could

not should

[grim tusk]

I tried a Mc Donalds burger once in the UK, they taste like shit compared to the ones from my home country

Wendys is far better

[drowsy plank]

it's a mildly interesting concept cause i think queen bee does something similar but considering... calamity as a whole not really necessary

[worthy lintel]

people still want a weapon that is just devourer's mandible after all

[grim tusk]

altho better to make burgers at home, I can work a grill or a pan for that

[drowsy plank]

i watched a video about this recently about how fast food taste better in basically any country EXCEPT those within the direct sphere of western influence lmao

[keen zodiac]

[worthy lintel]

it wont stop me from eating mcchickens tho

[rancid lotus]

Is that sphere the planet?

[worthy lintel]

no other fast food chain nearby offers chicken burgers

and it frustrates me

[drowsy plank]

you can have them all i do not want them

rip

[rancid lotus]

How many food chains are there?

[worthy lintel]

only the biggest united statian ones that survive transitioning the border

im not privileged

[dense locust]

I will say pbg is just one of many examples in late hm of bosses having a billion drops, many of which not much can be done about

plant drops 7 (8 in 1.4.5)
golem drops 5
duke drops 6 (7 in 1.4.5)
if you count prisma eol drops 6
to say nothing of ml casually having 10 weapons
sure eol and duke dont have a coresponding material but still

[worthy lintel]

ml is the final boss of vanilla so we kinda just

give him half a pass

[keen zodiac]

golem drops aren't real

[drowsy plank]

vanilla is red's problem, and at least plant golem duke and eol don't also having nearly unused crafting materials associated with them as well

[drowsy plank]

well they do but i dont respect living shards or perrenial enough for them to matter

[worthy lintel]

chimken burg

[dense locust]

did you just purge beetle husks from your mind or..

[grim tusk]

not even Kfc?

[drowsy plank]

yeah bc they're also bad

lmao

[worthy lintel]

kfc is dead and only like 2-3 franchises survived

the closest one is an hour of car away

[drowsy plank]

god what the fuck is even going on with beetle husks

why

[worthy lintel]

i aint driving that long for that lol

[keen zodiac]

five recipes
one is a minecart

🔥

[dense locust]

better than what turtle shells got

[grim tusk]

damn bro

[hazy nacelle]

beetle husk might as well not exist

[worthy lintel]

im not sure why golem is related to beetles but whatever, go my scarab

[keen zodiac]

they have cinnamon roll now

[hazy nacelle]

turtle armor is actually better in some ways

[drowsy plank]

do you think they were like
supposed to drop from derplings or something post golem at one point before red realized that was dumb

[grim tusk]

Churchs Chicken doesnt sell burgers iirc, just chicken strips

damn I now want chicken and its 1 am

[keen zodiac]

go 2 bed

[drowsy plank]

beetle husks may suck as a crafting material but turtle armor has been on fraud watch from day 0

[grim tusk]

but that chain aint here either and the kfc is a 40 min walk

[dense locust]

I think red had people complaining that melee didnt have an "endgame" armor so he made beetle

[keen zodiac]

[grim tusk]

Nah, gotta work an allnighter + insomnia

[drowsy plank]

he should've just made turtle usable it was added alongside spectre and shroomite anyway

dumb as fuck

[grim tusk]

tru

[keen zodiac]

go my 2 nearly identical post mech melee armors

plus hallowed

[worthy lintel]

also i just hate armors with helmet variants like bro why do you bother giving me the illusion of choice

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[worthy lintel]

we all know one of the variants is going to be vastly better than the others

[dense locust]

huh?

[drowsy plank]

if ur talking about beetle's two chestplates that's not true for once

both of beetle's variants are busted and were nerfed by cal

[worthy lintel]

sorry someone said shroomite and i got mad

[dense locust]

scale was only busted because of changes cal made

[dense locust]

oh
true

[drowsy plank]

TRUE

[grim tusk]

reaver...

[keen zodiac]

shroomite should be tortured for eternity

[worthy lintel]

like its not even a playstyle change lmao it just railroads you in specific weapons

actual dogass

[dense locust]

if melee speed worked as red intended beetle scale would not be nerfed

[drowsy plank]

tfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw5-E_6uhXU

[grim tusk]

Yep shroomite is fucking ass

[tepid crown]

what reason does shroomite have seperate helmets now

[dense locust]

felt like it

[grim tusk]

iirc you get more bonus from armor mixing anyways in post-Golem vanilla

[tepid crown]

since every type of ranger weapon can be buffed now theres no point

[drowsy plank]

actually using shroomite with its intended weapon

statistically

[dense locust]

you get more bonus from armor mixing in general in vanilla

[drowsy plank]

with the average build

gives you 2% more damage now

in 1.4.5

[grim tusk]

problem is Red Riding is OoA

[keen zodiac]

💔

[grim tusk]

tbh with how comically bad shroomite is I wonder why people just dont use Red Ridding or even Chlorophyte

[drowsy plank]

of course if you aren't just hardlining on snowman cannon so you can turn your brain off you're prolly gonna want to switch weapons at some point so ur prolly just gonna use ada helmet

[grim tusk]

Aint Ada helm, Red ridding chest and hallowed greaves better thsn full shroomite?

[crude geode]

People don’t use red riding for an obvious reason

[drowsy plank]

unsure also isn't it mythril greaves?

[worthy lintel]

valhalla armor could give you 100 hp/s regen i would still not get it out of sheer disdain of ooa

[drowsy plank]

oh 10% crit vs 7% damage + 8% movespeed

[dense locust]

red riding greaves clear

[crude geode]

Like 60-70% of the playerbase would barely notice if you removed all OOA stuff

[drowsy plank]

red riding is just mythril but better defense + movement speed

[dense locust]

yes

[drowsy plank]

they're both 10% crit at the end of the day

at that point u might as well just use red riding period

[crude geode]

The only armor set with variant helms I like is spectre tbfh. Everything else is just class helm

But then again I use spectre in a min max way so uh lul

[worthy lintel]

i still loathe hood for its catastrophic butterfly effect on game balance going forward

[crude geode]

Oh yeah it’s a balance nightmare

[worthy lintel]

i dont think in history of gaming ive ever seen an item shit on a game so hard

[crude geode]

RoD?

[keen zodiac]

overhaul murasama

[worthy lintel]

atleast rod doesnt make you immortal

you can still die with enough incompetence

but hood is functionally a godmode with high enough dps

[crude geode]

Yeah

[worthy lintel]

i still remember that ancient video of pumpkin moon farming with someone using fucking bat scepter

[grim tusk]

even tho thats bad, the og spectre hood made you fucking immortal

[drowsy plank]

i forgot bat scepter is bad in vanilla

because this sounded entirely reasonable to me at first

lmfao

[crude geode]

Love the weapon but in vanilla it’s kinda dog ass yeah

[keen zodiac]

wait huh??

i've never played vanilla mage

this is news

[crude geode]

Yep

[worthy lintel]

keep it that way

vanilla mage has zero redeeming qualities until nebula

which is literally post game

[grim tusk]

Mage is ranger 2 in vanilla sadly

[crude geode]

Generally just outclassed by like. spectre staff in homing, and any other mage weapon from the moons (blizzard staff especially)

[crude geode]

Yep.

[grim tusk]

Could so so much shit with not being limited by conventional weapons but they just dont

Heck many mage weapons are GUNS

[crude geode]

I love laser machine gun it’s so lame /s

[grim tusk]

Whats next a magic sword? ~~ Cal adds one lol~~

[frail fox]

Laser machine gun doesn’t exist anymore hooray

[worthy lintel]

you know that image of a dude doing kick flips only to get smacked by a rake at the bottom of the stairs anyways

yeah thats how mage design feels

[frail fox]

Wait

Nvm that’s the cal thing

[worthy lintel]

limitless potential of weapon design

and its still flat

[frail fox]

Why did cal add a second laser machine gun at the same tier

[keen zodiac]

to make you forget the first one

[grim tusk]

No clue and its only remarkable cuz its op as fuck

[crude geode]

^

How I feel about Tears of Heaven

[grim tusk]

Only limited by it being probably even more mana hungry than last prism

[crude geode]

Except it isn’t actually op just boring

[grim tusk]

And you can just use Chaos stone for that

and then explode

[frail fox]

Well it doesn’t exist anymore so that’s the end of that

[crude geode]

The original laser machine gun still exists

Vanilla design cannot be forgiven

[frail fox]

Well that’s redigit

[glass arch]

we need to overthrow redigit

then mage can be GOOD FINALLY

[frail fox]

Also perfectly fine honestly

[crude geode]

I love that mage only gets weapon variety in pre-hm AFTER Skeletron

And then it has like 20 different weapons

[glass arch]

i love how mage has 2 armor sets in all of pre hardmode

[dense locust]

what is this supposed to mean

thats like

normal

[grim tusk]

Chaos stone is still a thing, just capped at neg your mana cap now (you are exploding well before you reach that)

[oblique birch]

I don't remember what that item is

[dense locust]

melee has 1
ranger has 2
summoner has 2

[grim tusk]

Gatling Laser

[frail fox]

Gatling Laser

[crude geode]

Wrong reply bozo

[glass arch]

(you arent actually)

[worthy lintel]

gatling laser exists purely due to fallout reference-

[crude geode]

Yes

[oblique birch]

ah...

[frail fox]

No that was the correct one

[dense locust]

gatling laser doesnt exist though smh

[oblique birch]

old Arsenal that's why

[grim tusk]

A good chunk of the arsenal items are just "Fab wanted a Fallout reference"

[oblique birch]

they disappeared from my mind entirely

[worthy lintel]

also its my cat who pressed enter before i could correct my sentence to past tense

[frail fox]

All of old arsenal I fear

[worthy lintel]

surprisingly no

[crude geode]

Nah, phaseslayer

[frail fox]

Which is somehow worse

[grim tusk]

The discs pretty sure arent a reference to anything

[frail fox]

So maybe cal should keep stealing ideas

[dense locust]

phaseslayer is a game design reference by spitting in the face of it

[crude geode]

[worthy lintel]

disc, the frogs, taser, the jackhammer

pulse dragon

and a few others

[glass arch]

thats a reference to doom which makes it worse

[frail fox]

The frogs 😭

[crude geode]

Funny frogs

[grim tusk]

frogs are dead in a ditch now

[worthy lintel]

i only remember disc because it used to be a meta weapon agaist skeletron

[grim tusk]

its shrimple now

[frail fox]

Worst minion in history?

[grim tusk]

Always has been meta

[keen zodiac]

is it not anymore?

[keen zodiac]

wrong, belladonna

[worthy lintel]

i dunno i didnt play rogue in 2 years lmao

[grim tusk]

the times I nerfed it it just became good again due to StN

[dense locust]

old belladonna was so funny

[grim tusk]

There was only 1 patch where the item was so ass

and it was unerfed a little

[crude geode]

Belladonna is definitely one of the funniest minions. Funniest sentry is Spikecrag.

[frail fox]

Pretty sure Tracking Disk was pretty mid for a little bit, then whatever and then BH Skeletron incident

[grim tusk]

it remained that way til last big update

[rancid lotus]

Draedon^

[dense locust]

pirate staff still exists I fear

[crude geode]

^

[grim tusk]

Pirates and its not even close

[frail fox]

Significantly better because it actually functions

[grim tusk]

Old belladona was the whip menace

[frail fox]

Battle of complete dogshit 😭

[dense locust]

something something bar sets

[crude geode]

I think we should kill every magic gun in existence EXCEPT zapinators

[dense locust]

true?

[frail fox]

It’s funny how frog was never rebalanced once in it’s existence because everyone knew it was a lost cause

[rancid lotus]

Black Anurian?

[small bramble]

star swallower right

[keen zodiac]

star swallower

[frail fox]

I remember Iris saying it was a lost cause before it even realized lmao

[worthy lintel]

star swallower

self snail react

[small bramble]

The only thing it's swallowing is the quality of being BAD. #pwned

[crude geode]

an unheard of level of honesty

[frail fox]

YuH still has to add the frog pet..

[worthy lintel]

i need a new cute pet so i dont just end up with brimling every single goddamn run

[crude geode]

real

you could just texture pack other pets

[indigo yacht]

i have a vanilla texture pack that resprites the fennec fox into eevee

it's adorable

[worthy lintel]

unfathomably based

i also cannot choose between frost bat and fire bat

i was hoping i could combine the two like you can combine bear and kendra

but no

[indigo yacht]

theyre both lovely

if only you could combine them somehow... or use both...

[rancid lotus]

Ain't that just hot water/steam?

[drowsy plank]

why not just contact the donor and ask to make a suggestion for that

wait

this isn't even donor what

ok then just make a suggestion for it nvm lmfao

[worthy lintel]

if i remember later

i just hate that there's a dedicated pet and light pet section

why not just

2 omni pet slots

dammit red

[drowsy plank]

lol

[worthy lintel]

that issue is what gave birth to the bear and kendra crossover

people complained having both at once was impossible

[drowsy plank]

well yeah that's the same thing that happened with the king slime and queen slime items so

frostflare bat bottle real in 2036

[keen zodiac]

frigidflash bottle

[worthy lintel]

and then

bats of heaven

[keen zodiac]

🔥

[drowsy plank]

why are flarefrost blade and frigidflash bolt even named differently

actually an even better question is why flarefrost blade even exists

[keen zodiac]

because flarefrost blade needs to die

yeah

[worthy lintel]

what if you wanted to thermal shock the opponent with a sword

[dense locust]

I mean thermocline is also named differently

[keen zodiac]

thermocline is actually cool

it gets a pass

[dense locust]

its really not

[drowsy plank]

ok a better better better question

why are all they all so different when they are clearly a set

[keen zodiac]

wait

[craggy girder]

why not make an average weapon that enhances ice and fire damage debuff

hmmm

[keen zodiac]

tundra flame blossoms too

[dense locust]

yes

[craggy girder]

wheres the rogue

[keen zodiac]

guh

[worthy lintel]

to be fair its better than just

astral sword, pike, gun, staff, bow

[dense locust]

I like how they're just kinda all over early hm

[worthy lintel]

2018 naming convention

[keen zodiac]

sword dead 🎉

[dense locust]

2 are premech, 1 is post 1, and 1 is post 2 + cryo

[keen zodiac]

and bow

[drowsy plank]

i love how flarefrost blade uses souls of light

for some fucking reason

[dense locust]

weapons been through a lot

[worthy lintel]

wait your right why does it even have souls

it doesnt even tiergate

man

2018 cal butterfly effect

[grim tusk]

neglected as its often done

[drowsy plank]

Okay, first make them all 5 Havoc, 5 Eleum and crafted at a Mythril Anvil then you can just;
Flarefrost Blade (Ice Blade, Volcano)
Frigidflash Bolt (Frost Bolt, Flare Bolt)
Thermocline Blaster (Phoenix Blaster, Snowball Cannon)
Tundra Flame Blossom (Cinder Blossom Staff, Frost Blossom Staff)
Toastyfrost Bat Bottle (Toasty Bat Bottle, Frosty Bat Bottle)

im a genius

[keen zodiac]

prehm ice gun is snowball cannon

[drowsy plank]

hm

[grim tusk]

Pretty sure the only current devs that give a damn about rogue is about 5

[drowsy plank]

fair

[worthy lintel]

snowball cannon is a valid weapon

snowballs hurt

[grim tusk]

Toastyfrost Bat Bottle for rogue could work I guess

[drowsy plank]

it's a light pet

[grim tusk]

oh

[dense locust]

pet to rogue weapon is crazy

[drowsy plank]

i just figured they should be consistent

so the pet joins the rest of the set at the same tier

[worthy lintel]

throwing a jar to release a pet, is it a rogue weapon or a summon weapon

[drowsy plank]

it's a terraria weapon

which is to say class design is dead anyway

[dense locust]

make it both

the bat steals stealth for you

[worthy lintel]

dear lord

[grim tusk]

Maybe two different daggers or smth could work as a proper weapon

Infernal Kris + smth

[keen zodiac]

[worthy lintel]

terraria class design sharing the same grave as tf2's art style, coincidentally both died the same year

[drowsy plank]

yeah infernal kris and an ice knife could work

[dense locust]

wow rogue really does not have a single ice biome weapon in prehardmode

[keen zodiac]

[drowsy plank]

most classes don't, ice biome kinda ass :D

[keen zodiac]

also true

[worthy lintel]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Frost_Daggerfish

ranger

ranger again

[keen zodiac]

kill all consumable ranger weapons

[dense locust]

ice blade / ice boomerang
flinx staff / frost blossom
frost daggerfish / snowball cannon and its upgrade
frost bolt / icicle staff

I mean

[keen zodiac]

oh right flurrystorm cannon exists

donor items

[worthy lintel]

and flare gun if you consider blue flares cold

[dense locust]

terraria doesnt so neither will I

oh also wand of frosting how could I forget

[dense locust]

daggerfish is awesome though

[worthy lintel]

unfortunately its what the angler uses and i refuse to share equipment with the angler

[drowsy plank]

to be fair, in vanilla there is a bit of a split, yeah, melee and mage go to the desert for the storm weapons and mandible blade, and ranger and summoner can go to snow, but with calamity you can also just. get all the stuff from the sunken sea plus wulfrum is better than flinx robe plus desert spirit staff still has that dogshit get it in 5 minutes recipe, and rogue also gets the armor set now and ranger get fossil and like

desert powercreep is real

[crude geode]

desert moment

(don't mention jungle bias)

[dense locust]

flinx coat is technically better if you dont plan on using the set bonus

[drowsy plank]

jungle bias is unsolvable

[dense locust]

but only by 5% damage

[drowsy plank]

it is baked into terraria

[crude geode]

fr fr

[grim tusk]

and desert has one of the best shrine items too

[worthy lintel]

thunder zapper turbo sweep

[dense locust]

ehh

[grim tusk]

while tundra leash is sluggish for a mount

[dense locust]

new luxors is just kinda w/e

[drowsy plank]

luxors is mid now yeah

still better than leash imo yeah

[tepid crown]

summon luxors is still good

[dense locust]

everything is better than leash

this is because leash sucks

[keen zodiac]

[drowsy plank]

if you want a shrine item you go after granite or marble

[grim tusk]

Shrine items are like Rox >>>>> Core = Gladiator > Effigies > Luxors > Chi. > Symbiote >>>> Leash

[drowsy plank]

ngl symbiote needs a buff

[grim tusk]

situational as hell

the hive pack of mushroom items

[drowsy plank]

if it's gonna be in such a small and scattered biome like marble and granite are then it needs to be on the same power level

cal is just scared of old symbiote too much

[grim tusk]

Tbh old symbiote could be brought back with how gladiator is rn

[drowsy plank]

that died

[grim tusk]

Just with weaker numbers

[drowsy plank]

You grow mushrooms on the grass beneath you
Consuming mushrooms provides the Mushy buff, granting 5 defense and +1 HP/s life regen
10% increased damage while you have the Mushy buff

this is current symbiote

[grim tusk]

thats... bad

[keen zodiac]

💔

[drowsy plank]

very

[dense locust]

cutting your healing potion healing in half for 10% damage 🔥

[drowsy plank]

10% in preHardmode

the place where flat damage is at its strongest

insane

[grim tusk]

tbh it should just be changed to consuming a health pot

instead of a mushroom

[drowsy plank]

even then that'd be mid as hell still

[grim tusk]

and have a 0.75 multiplier for the healing to compensate or smth

[drowsy plank]

holy shit
crown jewel for a minute

[grim tusk]

if its too much

[worthy lintel]

mushrooms only inflict 30 seconds of pot sickness so technically if you run off lesser healing its an upgrade but huh

who tf runs on lesser pots anyways lmao

[drowsy plank]

if you have symbiote you have normal healing potions

its fucking prerequiste is going to a glowing mushroom biome and it generates infinite mushrooms

symbiote's best use is to make better potions so you stop using it

[dense locust]

I have had a gfb world where the mushroom shrine was 50 feet to the left of spawn
but generally yes

[grim tusk]

didnt put it far away enough it seems

but eh i dont care, aint my problem anymore

[tepid crown]

wait can u use the jellys with mushrooms

[dense locust]

yes

[tepid crown]

ig thats a use? more auras?

[worthy lintel]

you can but still not worth it for that alone

[grim tusk]

capped at 1 iirc

[dense locust]

the bottle requirement is weirdly notable in this very specific circumstance

[hollow shell]

#suggestions-posting message
The bat pets function differently don't they?

[drowsy plank]

i suppose, but you could probably fine one in a faux surface chest

[tepid crown]

arent mushrooms also a 30 sec cooldown or are they longer than that

[dense locust]

30 seconds yes

[grim tusk]

30 s

[drowsy plank]

ok one dashes towards ur cursor when you dash is that actually a meaningful difference in functionality

[tepid crown]

so yea perfect uptime u get an aura right after one is lost

[worthy lintel]

in term of raw healing mushrooms are identical to lesser potions but do you really want to build around that

[drowsy plank]

i did notice this earlier so i had changed "identical" to "nearly identical"

[worthy lintel]

id much rather have a potion that heals twice as much immediately

+1 hp/s is horrifically marginal

[hollow shell]

I'd say so

Though I still wouldn't mind a later combined upgrade just for the hell of it
I don't think there are any multi-entity light pets in the game yet, could be cool

[drowsy plank]

you can literally run crown jewel and get the same effect 24/7 and actually even get more regen sometimes

[hollow shell]

Master Twins and S.Prime are just regular pets right?

[drowsy plank]

consider the prerequisite that you have both anyway

[drowsy plank]

think so?

[worthy lintel]

crown jewel the goat (its not that amazing but i love it nonetheless)

i like telling debuffs to get bent

[drowsy plank]

we power creeping band of regen with this one 🔥

[glass arch]

yeah

[hollow shell]

ye so
Multi light pet. Untapped market

[dense locust]

deserved

[drowsy plank]

actually that made me realize

how has vanilla not added a mecha mayhem pet yet

[worthy lintel]

huh

yeah

[crude geode]

isn't there a combo pet of the three? not exclusively a mechdusa one but like

nah I'm misremembering apparently

[hollow shell]

indeed

You might just be thinking of how S Prime has a buncha floating parts?

[crude geode]

yeah I think so

[novel belfry]

Frostflare Bat!!!

[deft yew]

this one has been under my skin for a while

[drowsy plank]

@deft yew ur 20 characters over the 1k limit

[hollow shell]

Oh huh is this one barely slightly too long- yeah lol

[novel belfry]

wait

HOW IS THIS LONGER THAN COG'S SUGG

[deft yew]

I don’t even have time to rewrite this so I guess I’ll cram it out when I’m open tomorrow

[hollow shell]

Cog's sugg's body text is exactly 999 characters

[novel belfry]

999 lmao

[drowsy plank]

Notepad++ goes crazy

[hollow shell]

(Cog's seems larger cuz it's more broken up with linebreaks)

[hollow shell]

Hell yeah sister

[drowsy plank]

i think they make it more readable

fdshlfdksjghldkfjg

[hollow shell]

true I love line breaks

[hollow shell]

(literally the program I used just now to check the length)

[novel belfry]

yeah that sounds about right

[lucid marsh]

Oh hey this is important

So, the toasty and frosty bat are bugged

Whenever either of them exists in the world, all trail effects permanently break until you reload the game

So the rainbow rod for example, its projectile is invisible

I suspect other things in the mod are capable of triggering this bug too but I don't know for sure

@warm tendon there are already plans to rework all that, but it's going to be a very long time before those plans are done

[warm tendon]

I see

can't say I knew about that, apologies. I have taken it down

[north oracle]

Yea, this is both stuff that is future plans™ and a massive scope for a single suggestion to cover

we do know it's a problem, but it takes quite a while to add enough high quality content to fix it

[warm tendon]

yeah that's fair

although I will say

I am surprised at how long it takes. There is a mod I know of with 2 devs that's about Calamity in scope(if not larger) and it's already a meaningful way through completion

I'm not complaining, just stating my surprise is all. I have zero issues with the pace of development since.. well I'm not a dev and I imagine it's very hard

plus you're all doing this for free I think and it's my favorite mod

[hollow shell]

Difference in priorities

Calamity's been around since 2016 and there's a lot of focus on making old content better rather than just adding new content
Calamity already has a lot of content

[warm tendon]

yeah that's true

[hollow shell]

2.1.0 was one of the largest updates Calamity has ever had, if not the largest(?), in terms of total amount of changes

And almost all of them were reworks and modifications, not additions

[warm tendon]

I will admit since this is suggestions discussion and we were discussing my suggestion I will say; the post ML experience is probably my only, or at least one of my main criticisms of the mod

like you beat providence and you're like "wow that was hard, I'm glad I beat it!" immediately followed by "so what boss is next?" since mining uelibloom is an extremely swift process by that point. Even when you beat Exos/SCal it's the same way since they're interchangeable. You beat one of the mod's final and hardest bosses then the only thing you can do is basically "well time to go kill the other one"

[drowsy plank]

what mod is this??

[warm tendon]

I guess another would be how "stagnant" a lot of the boss fights actually feel. DoG's rework is very nice, but now it leaves me feeling rather disappointed in SCal and Exos. They're cool but they aren't unique in any particular way I think

[warm tendon]

Lunar Veil 2.0. Legacy is the old version that they aren't working on anymore. I guess it is good to note that with a bigger team comes more need for relaying information as well, plus advanced scrutiny from being the largest mod so you have to very deliberately plan every major change

like I said I have no problem with the slow-ish development of Calamity. I know dev work is hard and I certainly couldn't do it so I'm not in any place to judge anything or anyone, so I won't. I still(and likely will for a long time) vastly enjoy Calamity more than any other mod. On that note I am very excited for the Sunken Sea rework, but more than anything I'm interested in the Distortion and Yharim, granted I know I'll be dead of old age before they release

[indigo yacht]

They're so coollllllllllll

yay yay pet suggestion

[lucid marsh]

Hey cog or rover, did you see the thing about the bug I posted?

[crude geode]

Just fish?

The reasoning on this feels extremely lackluster

[rancid lotus]

I tried fishing up an enchanted sundial, it only took like, 1-2 minutes.

[rancid lotus]

And I didn't do this with Brainstorm's new fishing accessories.

[humble scarab]

in calamity, you have one guaranteed in 26th quest

but you can also get it from crates

fishing quests arent bad when you dont speedrun

do them while doing other stuff

and you can use bed to skip time, and the new item to stop the time during the night

[half imp]

sundial being fishing locked is intentional

that's part of its balancing

including going up to cosmolight

strong tools require work to get them

[indigo yacht]

I'd like to counter by saying that i fish in literally all of my playthroughs and usually i make an effort to try and do fishing quests, but I've never actually has an enchanted sundial by the time you unlock cosmolight from quests (besides one time but that doesn't count because i sat in place for like 8 irl hours)

26 quests takes a long time if you don't remember to do it every day

[mossy pelican]

Or if you don't have mods for auto-quest reset

[half imp]

I do think that it could be easier to get from fishing 100%

like add it to titanium crates

I'd be fine with that

[mossy pelican]

Would it make sense to come from sky crates too?

[half imp]

Or those it doesn't really matter

[hazy nacelle]

it's already in titanium crates?

[half imp]

oh then we're fine

maybe up the rate if needed

[hazy nacelle]

it's in all three basic crates with better chance for higher tier crates

it's honestly trivial to get

even if you started fishing only in hardmode where you actually get catch up features it's easy to get

like how people complain about not being able to get an easy golden fishing rod, you get that in hardmode with a low chance by killing the angler repeatedly

[indigo yacht]

5% chance in a crate that's not exactly common

0.5% in the one that is common

[hazy nacelle]

but there's enchanted pearl and stuff to improve crate chances beyond vanilla rates

[indigo yacht]

the only thing calamity adds for crates is enchanted pearl with its 25% chance to increase the rarity of the crate caught

which is good

[indigo yacht]

when equipped it just tells the game you're using crate potion so it doesn't stack

[deft yew]

Okay is mine short enough now

Gouda

[drowsy plank]

if i remember correctly, it isn't in gold crates, but cal might've fixed that; i dont remember

[half imp]

Those are pre hardmode so

yeah

Pre hm sundial requires the quest grind

[mossy pelican]

Or just play journey mode

[deep cape]

Ugh I keep thinking I should write a suggestion to add toilets to all the Calamity furniture sets and then forgetting to do it

[vocal wedge]

They also don't have trapped chests.

[mossy pelican]

The auric toilet should give plus 100 fishing power

[deep cape]

True!!!!!

[worthy lintel]

i hate fishing and i think its the best suggestion of all time

i would dearly appreciate not having to fish for the sundial

would be super based

[drowsy plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465195069406707722/1392668647440519238/spriter_hell.gif

[lucid marsh]

I can make sprites
But someone would have to address my unban request from the art server

(I don't even know how I got banned in the first place, I don't think I was ever a member)

[golden sonnet]

It may have transferred from another server

[lucid marsh]

I guess that would check out. But I'm allowed here so

Actually I do have a suspicion

I have been warned like 8 times over the last 8 years or so that I've been here

Maybe that got me automatically banned

[golden sonnet]

Says you were banned in 2018

[lucid marsh]

(at least half of those were for insulting fabsol before it was cool)

That sounds right. I was a dumb kid in high school around when I first started liking calamity

[golden sonnet]

So might have been a cross server ban from that and then they never unbanned, but idk

You could always ask for an unban there

[lucid marsh]

I did

My appeal has been sitting in the bot for a week

Just saying it was received

[keen zodiac]

well the calart mods are uh

not amazing

[worthy lintel]

i would be careful with open slander even if there's an ounce of truth

not that its on topic anyways

[drowsy plank]

@fiery hamlet #1178515062030348308

[dense locust]

saros doesnt even hit the top 3 for "reworked weapons that thana really needs a resist to"

[fiery hamlet]

oh i didn't know this was a thing my b

[half imp]

also... 40k single target??

[fiery hamlet]

yup

[half imp]

do you have other mods that add accessories/gear/etc

or that change exos mechs

[fiery hamlet]

nah just an optimized build

[dense locust]

slightly more damage to thana than intended

[fiery hamlet]

it decays pretty quickly but it doesn't really matter

[half imp]

I guess optimized 40k right when the beam comes out might track

[fiery hamlet]

it's not even particularly hard to get it that high, either

[half imp]

except for the fact it's single target

unless you're also using adrenaline for those numbers then it makes sense again

[fiery hamlet]

nope, no adrenaline or rage

[half imp]

40k on 2-3 targets due to piercing I could see

weird

Anyway yeah balance issue reports is the forum for stuff like this

[fiery hamlet]

honestly the sun staff's whole upgrade line is fucked

[oblique birch]

that's known I think

doze's reworks be like:

[half imp]

all of them are balanced on tier

it's just summoner thats silly

and or boss ai

[half imp]

the thing is that, with the exception of Saros eclipse beam on multi target, they're balanced but then bosses come that are hard to hit or summoner gets a slot spike or both

[dense locust]

I would not call saros balanced on tier

[half imp]

eclipse beam on exos is very strong

but otherwise it was from my tests

[tepid crown]

never let doze make a summoner weapon again

[fiery hamlet]

saros is not balanced on tier at all

[half imp]

although eclipse beam in general is too strong

[dense locust]

I mean sub 4 scal is also uhhh

[tepid crown]

theyre all unbalanced even on tier

[fiery hamlet]

even without the beam it does like 25-30k dps

[half imp]

dps is a terrible metric for how strong an item is

Too much variance and no good way to measure it

[fiery hamlet]

you don't have to actively do anything with the weapon and can completely focus on dodging

scal's phases die in like 15 seconds a piece

[half imp]

I mean as shown here passive only does 4:46 scal

Which is slightly strong but not crazy

15 seconds per phase scal is probably just what happens when glass cannons be glass cannon

[fiery hamlet]

not really glass cannon either

[half imp]

what's the build you're getting these results with

[fiery hamlet]

im setting up my scal build again for testing gimme a bit

[half imp]

because mine is like

Auric armor

Wings
Aegis
Rampart
Radiance
Nucleogenesis
Dark Sun Ring
Profaned Soul Artifact

and with that it gets about 5 minutes on scal

[fiery hamlet]

radiance is interesting

[half imp]

it's like the best defensive accessory available

[keen zodiac]

yeah

[half imp]

halves vhex and a ton of regen

[keen zodiac]

also sponge and dheart got nerfed into the ground

[half imp]

Dheart irrelevant anyway since Saros is tested with pre exos gear

[keen zodiac]

true

[half imp]

but yeah sponge is probably a lit but weak

[keen zodiac]

why rampart instead of amalgam

[oblique birch]

This is all CIT's faults

[half imp]

Amalgam is way too offensive skew

[keen zodiac]

ic

[half imp]

and is going to be nerfed at least one more time

[dense locust]

I have to expose doze here he helped shark nerf it

[half imp]

maybe more if it's still too strong

[oblique birch]

Vas...

Doze...

[half imp]

the shield cooldown was more intense than I suggested

[oblique birch]

🥺

[half imp]

This reminds me tomorrow to do some amalgam tests to see if I need to nerf it harder or if it's okay now

it should not be out performing RTN except on a debuff focused build

but it absolutely obliterates it rn

and to buff Lacerator

and to just go through the E and F tiers on the list and buff them as needed

[oblique birch]

Sounds good

Is there anything left in Z tier

[dense locust]

most of the E and F's are thankfully random vanilla junk that was always bad

[dense locust]

for vanilla a ton of stuff for cal no not really

[oblique birch]

A few vanilla items can stay that way

[half imp]

The only Z tier is probably gonna be S tier

evil Smasher

[oblique birch]

Those are such novel items

[fiery hamlet]

fuck i cant remember what my 7th accessory was but i just ran this all invigorating with moonshine and that regen candle buff active for insane regen

saros gets a lil silly the more summon slots you have so i prob just threw a necromantic scroll on lmao

[half imp]

Do you remember if the 2nd accessory was damage or defensive?

how did I type 4th goodness I need to sleep

[fiery hamlet]

it was either a necromantic scroll or the seraph treads for flight time