#suggestions-discussion

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indigo yacht
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🤔

tardy geyser
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The death post ml bosses could get a little more health and/or damage to make up for the extra accessory slot, but it would be funny if they didn't

craggy girder
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they do not need more damage

lucid marsh
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I can fix the astral beacon sprite if someone gives me the files for it

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Is there a way for people to just contribute small things to the mod like that?

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I do sprites for things, I could help

mossy pelican
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Aren’t sprite things handled in the art server

lucid marsh
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I've never been able to find a link to said art server

mossy pelican
lucid marsh
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Why am I banned from there!?!

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I can't remember ever being in that server

rancid lotus
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Seems like the Calamity Appeals server covers both the official and the art one.

lucid marsh
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Yeah. Made a ticket

rancid lotus
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ok

rancid lotus
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Chat should the Tectonic Truncator be renamed to “Tectonic Trunkator” because tree trunk?

keen zodiac
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also how is scoria related to trees

rancid lotus
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How is truncation related to scoria?

craggy girder
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truncate, verb: to shorten the duration or length of something

rancid lotus
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What does that have to do with Scoria?

worthy lintel
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you are asking a lot from an ore weapon

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ore weapons are not exactly renowned for being clever or particularly attractive

ripe owl
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what does anything has to do with anything

rancid lotus
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Anything is anything bro.

drowsy plank
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is that accurate? no
but it's just flavor anywya

rancid lotus
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I thought it was truncating trees?

half imp
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yeah I think that's the implications

rancid lotus
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Then why not make it trunkator with a k?

craggy girder
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because trunkate is not a word

crude geode
mossy pelican
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You know, that suggestion doesn’t violate any of the rules I don’t think

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But it just feels wrong

humble scarab
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@exotic mural iirc cdmusic said that he will post his music on spotify after hes done

exotic mural
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ill delete the suggestion

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ty for saying

gaunt crystal
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I still think this issue with the beacon should be changed regardless of how specific it is

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it explains why I could never get it to look right

tepid crown
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itd need to be resprited

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if you just shift it to the right, then the left side will be wrong because you cant have a perfect centre with an 8x8 grid

buoyant tangle
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i feel like the resprite could be as simple as just widening the altar a bit and making the orb even but ofc i am not a spriter

drowsy plank
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im ngl i thought it was gonna look more janky but this is kinda fine

Astral_Beacon.png
buoyant tangle
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the sides on the orb might have to be lengthened upward a little since now it looks to wide

drowsy plank
buoyant tangle
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yeah like that

drowsy plank
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i mean it is never going to look as good as the original because by design it is no longer going to have a center but it's like. fine

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if it's really that much of an issue

buoyant tangle
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i just like my grid-aligned symmetry

half imp
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I don't personally think more blood bombs would be better

drowsy plank
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people really hate those ichor streams huh

tepid crown
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keep ichor streams

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they might not be good but boc needs ichor infliction

boreal lichen
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are the blood bombs actually scaled that large it doesnt look right

oblique birch
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inflated pixels strike again

half imp
boreal lichen
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i see

half imp
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that is at like the max grow size iirc

polar bison
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I do think the Ichor visuals could be improved

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Dust beam

lucid marsh
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Put the second darkest orange under the second lightest orange on the orb

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Or alternatively it could be shaded to look like a sphere instead of whatever that is

jade crane
jade crane
half imp
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yeah, but that ignores the reason they exist

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they exist to provide close range weapons a way to deal damage during that attack

jade crane
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Adding more of them would only help close range weapons be viable against the brain.

half imp
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it would also make the attack either much easier or much harder to dodge

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and make brain take way more damage than it's intended to

jade crane
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The bomb’s damage values could be reduced to compensate for their abundance, and the quantity could be adjusted so that there would not be too few or many.

lucid marsh
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BoC has too many attacks for how fast you can kill it

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At least that's how it seemed when I saw it

keen zodiac
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goob suggestion

novel belfry
drowsy plank
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this is because cosmic shiv is donor which means it is TRASH

crude geode
lean haven
fossil finch
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Yeah ultimately these r all because dedicated

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it's an understandable want but I'd be pissed if I had to make my ice bolt into that fucking thing before making flarefrost

half imp
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not Earth

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Earth could use grand dad and I do not know why it doesn't

lucid marsh
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You know maybe they could just like

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Not make donor items forced to be the end of their lines

drowsy plank
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and also it can be the donors decision to want that

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which is sort of the main issue with donor weapons in the first place

lucid marsh
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Right

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I really wish donor weapons could be chanegd

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Then we wouldn't have to have 20 guns made of cosmilite

drowsy plank
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so fucking true

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it's mostly that like

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you have to get in contact with the donor and then they have to approve it and yadda yadda

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it's a whole thing

lucid marsh
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Is this like
Legally mandatory

fossil finch
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kind of

glass arch
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but it would be a dick move hdflr

lucid marsh
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Removing them would be a dick move

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Adjusting them just a little, I think that would be ok

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Like for example

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Half of those cosmilite guns aren't very good. What if they were moved down a tier and otherwise left the same?

fossil finch
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Well they specifically wanted them to be cosmilite

lucid marsh
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I guess

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Bleh

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They could be moved up a tier instead too

fossil finch
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If i donated a weapon for auric tier and they retiered it down because too many people did that id be mad

lucid marsh
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Because nothing after cosmilite existed back then

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No one was ever able to make an auric donor weapon

glass arch
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wrong

lucid marsh
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Cosmilite is crowded because it's the highest tier

fossil finch
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No you were very lol long ago

lucid marsh
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Or wait maybe that's half wrong

fossil finch
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That's why oracle exists

glass arch
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auric tier donor items did exist for a period

lucid marsh
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Huh

fossil finch
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They got nicked because too many people were requesting for that

lucid marsh
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I forgot and thought that was a dev item

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Ok then maybe random ones can get upgraded to auric

fossil finch
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There's tyranny's end and some others too

glass arch
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the fuckin yharon flail

lucid marsh
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If I remember correctly there is one auric magic weapon

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Oh actually there's two

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Actually let me check all the numbers here

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Auric weapons:
Melee: 7
Ranged: 5
Magic: 3
Summon: 2
Rogue: 2

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Cosmilite weapons:
Ranged: 15
Melee: 7
Magic: 6
Summon: 5 I think
Rogue: less than that idk

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So yeah I think like half of the cosmilite ranged weapons need to be changed in some way

fossil finch
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I think we should just hunt gun fans for sport

sleek turret
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can we start with The Pack donor

lucid marsh
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I think SDFMG and Onyxia would be good as magic guns actually. Make Onyxia an upgrade to the laser machine gun instead

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And make the SDFMG like... Old Duke themed maybe

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Wait there's already an old Duke SDFMG

boreal lichen
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i was about to say yeah

frail fox
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That’ll die eventually anyway so it’s whatever

lucid marsh
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Ok then that one can be ignored

oblique birch
lucid marsh
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Onyxia is kinda lame and bad, it should be reworked into a cosmilite themed magic gun upgrade to the laser machine gun, with more ourple

frail fox
oblique birch
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wait a minute...

lucid marsh
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Make it inflict godslayer inferno and Shadowflame or something

dense locust
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onyxia is such an old cal set

lucid marsh
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Include that one corrupt desert magic weapon, the spirit flame lamp

glass arch
lucid marsh
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I'm saying reimagine it

glass arch
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i agree its lame but you can make it not lame while still keeping it as an onyx blaster upgrade

lucid marsh
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The big problem is that there are over 16 ranged weapons made out of cosmilite bars

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And a lot fewer weapons of other types

mossy pelican
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Give them to summoner

gaunt crystal
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ben

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ben please do not hurt ranger variety more

mossy pelican
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Ranger players must be culled

gaunt crystal
fossil finch
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I don't think you're hurting ranger variety by removing two guns in a tier with 15

mossy pelican
fossil finch
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This is the common opinion but it's true ranger has basically everything yet greedy ranger fans always be wanting more

glass arch
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yeah its because all of them feel exactly the same

fossil finch
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Their fault for being a boring class

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And donating for 10 identical guns

boreal lichen
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remaking the weapons to actually feel unique would do wonders instead of having multiple copies of the same weapon

drowsy plank
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onyxia should just be a fuckin shotgun

quaint carbon
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It’s not?

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It’s got onyx in the name

tepid crown
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its basically just a minigun

glass arch
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no im pretty sure its just a rapidfire minigun of the onyx shards

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it fucking sucks

quaint carbon
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How wacky

sleek turret
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the weapon is still the same since it was introduced its like a relic

keen zodiac
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it shoots bullets in giant bursts like the halibut cannon

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decidedly not a minigun

lucid marsh
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The Onyxia is just "what if we turned the fire rate of the onyx blaster really high"

glass arch
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the only memorable part of the weapon is the mindless stream of onyx shards

lucid marsh
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Oh, and get this

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The Onyxia is just a stronger version of another weapon that does the exact same thing

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The Onyx chain blaster

glass arch
lucid marsh
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I can help with spriter hell

humble scarab
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Cant we just use the same sprite?

lucid marsh
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But they have to unban me from the art server (I don't even know how I got banned from a server I've never been on)

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ANYWAYS

sleek turret
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yea I think its like

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not even remotely of a spriter hell

lucid marsh
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Recycle the onyx chain blaster sprite into a magic gun upgrade of the laser machine gun and the spirit flame lamp

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It would be cool

glass arch
humble scarab
gaunt crystal
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@waxen crest I agree but that type of suggestion ain't allowed I believe

glass arch
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it is allowed

humble scarab
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It is

glass arch
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its a vanity suggestion

gaunt crystal
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oh

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nvm then

waxen crest
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Ah, I was going to say if not, I'll contact the developer themselves

humble scarab
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They arent suggesting a whole new item

lucid marsh
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Yeah I vaguely remember there being a rule that's like "yeah you can make specific item suggestions for low effort vanity stuff"

tepid crown
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ranger has 3 "shoot really fast" weapons in pre yharon

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đź«—

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oops

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i meant to say guns

oblique birch
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it also has 3 shoot slow weapons in pre Yharon

gaunt crystal
tepid crown
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theres more than 3 shoot fast ranger weapons

tepid crown
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no

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no theyre not

gaunt crystal
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do they all do the same thing or do they do more than just shooting fast?

oblique birch
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that should more be it

lucid marsh
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SDFMG is apparently getting removed someday

gaunt crystal
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and what weapons are you specifically talking about?

tepid crown
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infinity, sdfmg and onyxia

lucid marsh
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Infinity is plenty

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Also like. All the other ranger guns are also "shoot really fast"

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They're just a little less fast?

boreal lichen
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infinity is like the only one out of these 3 that got reworked

gaunt crystal
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infinity has a gimmick

oblique birch
gaunt crystal
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and the onyxia is a shotgun

tepid crown
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infinities rclick is it just

lucid marsh
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We should have at least one "shoot really fast" weapon viable at any point. But more than that is too much

tepid crown
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shooting bullets fast

tepid crown
gaunt crystal
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then rework it

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not remove it

glass arch
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but why

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there are

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15 other ranged weapons at that tier

tepid crown
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i never said shit about reworking or removing

gaunt crystal
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ik

lucid marsh
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No. There are enough ranger weapons and Onyxia is the only one that isn't a donor weapon and thus can be changed

gaunt crystal
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I was referring to the suggestion to remove it

tepid crown
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the suggestions first word in the title is rework

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third actually

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but whatever

gaunt crystal
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ok my bad

tepid crown
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its still part of the title

glass arch
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sometimes things do have to be removed

lucid marsh
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Onyxia isn't unique. It's a 3 weapon line where all 3 are identical except for fire rate and damage

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The suggestion is "rework or remove"

gaunt crystal
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also sdfmg is part of a line isn't it?

lucid marsh
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Also hey did you know that like

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Hmm

glass arch
tepid crown
lucid marsh
tepid crown
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its predecessor is sdmg which

glass arch
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its just an sdmg upgrade

tepid crown
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did not need an upgrade.

gaunt crystal
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oh

lucid marsh
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It's a spiritual successor to the mega shark line

gaunt crystal
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I thought it was part of the void dragon line

tepid crown
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no thats a seperate line

lucid marsh
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But that line already has another spiritual successor that's an old Duke drop

gaunt crystal
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weird that there's 2 seperate lines that are fish machine guns

lucid marsh
tepid crown
lucid marsh
lucid marsh
glass arch
tepid crown
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yea got reworked in 2.1

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has an overheat mechanic

glass arch
gaunt crystal
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the megashark line is part of the voiddragon line btw

lucid marsh
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Mini shark to megalodon, SDMG to SDFMG, seadragon to void dragon, and arguably archerfish and fetid emisis

tame vigil
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SDFMG will be reworked. Onyxia will probably get a visual glow up, but will not recieve any major reworks. Neither are current candidates for deletion

gaunt crystal
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that's one line and the fetid emisis ain't part of it

lucid marsh
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Oh

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Oops

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Ok but it's still a fish gun

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All the fish guns should be one line

gaunt crystal
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not a line though

gaunt crystal
lucid marsh
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Also I could have sworn that there was a point in time where seadragon was separate

gaunt crystal
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idr one

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also does the flak kraken count as a fish gun?

lucid marsh
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Hey wait

small bramble
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#suggestions-posting message

YEAHHH!!! I'd say give us a way to put it in a terrarium too, but once 1.4.5 is ported we'll be able to just place him down directly. Still wouldn't be opposed to a shroomble cage though

boreal lichen
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crabs arent fish last i checked

lucid marsh
tepid crown
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launchers arent guns last i checked

gaunt crystal
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I ain't sure what the flak kraken is

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I remember it being like the magic missile

small bramble
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I remember it being like a yoyo - or at least the upgrade

oblique birch
lucid marsh
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Rework onyx blaster line to combine with the angelic shotgun for a sort of "light and dark" theme. Maybe one weapon that has you dual wield both

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I know angelic shotgun is a donor item but surely they wouldn't mind it being added to another weapon

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...if I become a sprite contributor for enough things do I get a dev weapon

tepid crown
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no

lucid marsh
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Didn't think so

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Why does the terra bow line just veer off into whatever garbage the planetary annihilation is, and then just end

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This shit is so ass

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Ok I guess it doesn't end but it's so forgettable and it's not even good last I tried it

half imp
boreal lichen
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it upgrades into heavenly gale no? or am i misinterpreting this

half imp
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heavenly Gale is good

lucid marsh
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It does I misremembered

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Because you go from a moon lord tier thing to a post game thing

half imp
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I saw Planetary Annihilation the other day

half imp
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It's miracle matter

oblique birch
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Heavenly Gale's arrow trail is bugged has anyone checked on that

half imp
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also all of the miracle matter weapons are upgrades of the elemental ones (or planned to be)

lucid marsh
half imp
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no

drowsy plank
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it is not

half imp
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shadowspec requires scal dead too

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miracle matter is only post exos

lucid marsh
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Oh

drowsy plank
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also shadowspec will get retiered when yharim is added unlike exo prisms lmao

lucid marsh
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Right I always forget that because Exos are way harder than SCal for me

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So I always do them last

remote dune
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shroomble pet ❤️

lucid marsh
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I wish planetary annihilation, mainly, was reworked. I just don't like those style of bows

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Why not make a bow that shoots up from the ground instead of down from the sky, if you must?

drowsy plank
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why

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if you dont like that style of weapon what does that actually accomplish

lucid marsh
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Sorry that was a separate thought

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Also random thought: melee and ranger have two terra weapon but other classes have one

royal tapir
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Melee should have 1 and every other class should have 0

tepid crown
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🔥

lucid marsh
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Eh

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Hey so like what if they each got an alternate firing mode that acts like the other weapon

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Instead of a bow and a flamethrower, you get a flamethrower bow

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The sword summons spears on hit or something

boreal lichen
gilded citrus
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Dont think cal would want to rework a vanilla weapon

lucid marsh
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True

half imp
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I want to rework a vanilla accessory

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again

lucid marsh
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I don't think I can suggest this but I feel like it would be a good idea for all projectile swords to have their projectiles get slower and have less knockback the further they travel, and for that not to be the case with spears

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That might make swords not the only good melee weapons

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Like the death scycle

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Maybe not as extreme but similar to that

drowsy plank
half imp
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Mana Flower

frail fox
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Scary

boreal lichen
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this has the potential to do wonders

novel belfry
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doze ya already did

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its called the chaos stone

lucid marsh
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Oh yeah. Mana flower rework absolutely needed

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Or alternatively mana potion rework

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Stupid idea: make mana potions have a hard cooldown just like healing potions

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Or alternatively they hurt you to use before the cooldown is up, instead of reducing your damage

sleek turret
lucid marsh
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?

dense locust
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terraria rebalanced and expanded

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iirc

fossil finch
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The Mod Previously Known as Bame's Vanilla Rebalance

sleek turret
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Vanilla (Bame's Cut)

half imp
kind laurel
keen zodiac
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@pure verge ankh line is already planned

keen zodiac
pure verge
kind laurel
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Also this sug treads on vanilla too much
Generally Cal is leaning away from doing that iirc

pure verge
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fair enough

pure verge
kind laurel
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Mmm yes the class with the second lowest effect having one of their two important accessories revolve around an on-hit effect
Genius

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Pretty sure it was the lowest since it came before summoner though idk

indigo yacht
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"streamlining"

craggy girder
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like especially so with something like defense or using Spog

drowsy plank
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yeah @pure verge as most other people mentioned i think this is a specific rework suggestion as it outlines the details of implementation too hard, and as other people mentioned, an ankh line is already planned

fleet grotto
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But why

half imp
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yeah this has no reason

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I don't dislike the name but

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I don't think we're gonna rename it again right after renaming it

craggy girder
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both technically relate to a rift of some kind

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personally i think they should be called distortion dunebuggies/dunebugs but what do i know

half imp
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Null Tracers and Asphodel Tracers were considered

gaunt crystal
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personally I just want a slightly different wing sprite for them

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whatever they end up being called

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since the current ones look vaguely like bug wings

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while fitting considering their theming it doesn't fit the item sprite

obsidian nova
obsidian nova
obsidian nova
boreal lichen
obsidian nova
drowsy plank
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what if we killed the seashell

keen zodiac
golden sonnet
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I believe the rework has it dead

restive wharf
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first suggestion i've made in like a year

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anything i could change about it?

indigo yacht
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looks fine

keen zodiac
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biome spread fundamentally cannot be good without a major overhaul to vanilla's gameplay loop

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you either go all in or don't have it, and vanilla chose neither

indigo yacht
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yeah well the devs aren't going to remove it so the least that can be done is make it bearable

dense locust
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what makes you say they arnt

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is this just a vanilla purity or whatever

mystic sandal
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Seconding accent rusted pipe

indigo yacht
dense locust
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ah

indigo yacht
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to be fair it could have been the context but idk

restive wharf
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when are we getting unrusted pipes 🔥

keen zodiac
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true

restive wharf
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the reason i suggested was because i want to put way more pipes here but

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🥹

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they all fuse when you put them next to each other

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and im in prehardmode so i cant even use palladium columns as a substitute

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do you feel my pain

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(and do you guys know any better alternatives)

half imp
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I love biome spread it's sad everyone hates it

restive wharf
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me too

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i like it as a concept but its so annoying to manage when your only good option is extremely tedious and costs hundreds of gold to efficiently do

indigo yacht
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im just saying if you add new stuff that can change how you look at biome spread it could be cool

restive wharf
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forgot about biome sight potion though

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that was an amazing 1.4.4 addition

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WAIIITT

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i can use bamboo

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hell yeah

gaunt crystal
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that's sort of not true

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tmk there's plans to make defeating perforators/hive mind disable evil biome spread after they swap with dragonfolly

half imp
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not necessarily

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People have mentioned it as potential

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But it's not planned

mossy pelican
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Counter point

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Remove biome spread

half imp
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No

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biome spread is cool

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it does need better management tools though

restive wharf
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âś…

dense locust
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I think biome spread is just a fundementally bad mechanic but I think vanillas implimentation is even worse

sleek turret
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honestly the thing with biome spread is more about the tediousness of doing the stuff that prevents it

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my big sunflower column ❤️

dense locust
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you dont get reliable access to a means to mitigate it until after its already been spreading for some time, and theres no real means to halt its spread other than "dig a massive hole" which is not engaging gameplay at all

also it can start spreading frame 1 of the biomes spawning before you even know where they are

drowsy plank
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i just dont like that it forces you to dig massive containment tunnels yeah

tepid crown
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something could be added in the middle of pre hm to help mitigate it

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like a mini clentaminator or something else entirely

drowsy plank
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id be okay with blowing up containment shafts if the evils spawned in columns instead of the V but that doesn't make it fun or even good

indigo yacht
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maybe i should rephrase it

sleek turret
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it does suck more on hardmode due to the evil V there and if you're unlucky it can target npc houses in other biomes, which can suck a lot

dense locust
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I think if devs are dead set on making it spread

  • make them only start spreading after killing any hardmode boss
  • add a way to prevent evil spread to a specific area without active matinence (draedon item?)
indigo yacht
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if there was an anti spread item you could just put on your houses i probably wouldn't even care about the spread

sleek turret
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I had one desert get corrupted entirely and the thing is you could place 200 sunflowers but it's quite tedious that's why clentaminator is goated

indigo yacht
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except in the jungle

sleek turret
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sunflowers ❤️

dense locust
sleek turret
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they stop biome spread in a very small area though but for purity surface cases it works generally

mossy pelican
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The hardmode v is one of the worst things in the game

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It has it’s uses but because of increased spread it can ruin shit quick

sleek turret
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mostly because the biome spread speed increases significantly when hardmode starts

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it will only get reduced to pre-hm speed when you defeat plantera which can take a while (especially in calamity I believe)

mossy pelican
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Thats what I said

sleek turret
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the worst thing about the V is that it can fuck up any housing you made in other biomes so you have another thing to care when you start hardmode

drowsy plank
mossy pelican
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No

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I havent been active until this year

indigo yacht
mossy pelican
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Despite being in here for over four years

indigo yacht
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and then plantera halves the speed

indigo yacht
mossy pelican
sleek turret
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yea I think that's the thing actually

indigo yacht
mossy pelican
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We need a test dummy to spend all day testing our whims

sleek turret
#

Below hardmode spread section is a table with all the tiles that are able to spread

mossy pelican
#

Yeah I’ve read it

gaunt crystal
mossy pelican
gaunt crystal
#

I like to whenever I purify the world yes

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takes hours though

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even longer because I end up slightly terraforming them afterwards so they look natural again

sleek turret
#

yea, if you decide to to a 5 tile wide separation with biomes I suppose

drowsy plank
#

i just leave empty channels and line the sides with grey bricks

worthy lintel
#

i rock the same begone evil mod from 5 years ago

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i could also play journey

mossy pelican
#

Aren’t resprite suggestions supposed to go to the art server

tawdry trout
#

arent the nuasences already look different?

gilded citrus
#

Yeah

tawdry trout
#

like with more reddish skin

gilded citrus
tawdry trout
#

and the boss is gonna be resprited anyways, so its a "alr planned" suggestion

keen zodiac
#

@indigo hamlet resprites for both are already planned

indigo hamlet
keen zodiac
#

yeah

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also w bio

boreal lichen
indigo hamlet
glass arch
#

no

boreal lichen
#

traced?

keen zodiac
#

whuh

glass arch
#

the traced art wasnt for desert scourge and wasnt by that dev

indigo hamlet
#

weird that's what i remembered hearing the first time DS got redesigned from the 1.3 design

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and i thought they would have redesigned from that already

keen zodiac
#

anyway this is some compiled bits of the upcoming one

Desert_Scourge_parts.png
glass arch
indigo hamlet
keen zodiac
#

lizar

buoyant tangle
#

more gator-esque than lizard isn't it? i vaguely remember a dev describing it that way

frail mantle
boreal lichen
#

yeah i forgot about the little window inbetween

keen zodiac
buoyant tangle
#

oh thats silly actually i like that a lot. im a big salamander fan

mossy pelican
#

Probably a skink tbh

buoyant tangle
#

please give desert scourge an electric tail 🙏

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remote dune
lucid marsh
#

Oh right my suggestion conflicts with future plans so it probably shouldn't have been kept up

remote dune
#

shroomble pet ❤️

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shroomble staff when

dire warren
deep cape
obsidian nova
obsidian nova
mystic sandal
#

Which tier is void striders again

#

Post polter?

gilded citrus
#

I Think post distortion trio?

calm knot
oblique birch
#

It should definitely be toggleable I agree

#

But why those effects still even on Astral armor anyways

buoyant tangle
#

the set had the individual bits removed and all of the effects are now just on helmet

sleek turret
#

astral was kinda meant to be a mining set somewhat or idk

mossy pelican
#

Lowkey feel like specific item name changes would be banned too, just fits the vibe of the blacklist

buoyant tangle
indigo yacht
obsidian nova
obsidian nova
golden sonnet
buoyant tangle
#

i gotta stop making suggestions about tiny things that mildly annoy me specifically

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actually idk if this would apply to future features since Demonshade is set to get reworked iirc

dense locust
#

the cosmic plushie in question

golden sonnet
#

it is togglable with a specific pet, but that's kinda tedious and we already have armor toggles now

dense locust
#

tbf none of the armor toggles that exist are for the set bonus specifically iirc

buoyant tangle
#
  • a pet thats borderline unobtainable for like, 99% of players
dense locust
#

solution: move the red devil to the helmet

buoyant tangle
dense locust
#

yeah but it also isnt exactly something you would want to get rid of for any reason other than "it messes with numbers"

buoyant tangle
#

i always just find myself distracted by big minions like that when im building/trying to do vanity sets, DPS testing is just on top of that

mossy pelican
#

Can I suggest something like more accessories that turn the player into some creature like the raptor in 1.4.5

#

Lemme double check the rules rq

royal tapir
#

It would actually be easier to just remove the Red Devil I think

dense locust
#

true?

drowsy plank
#

it's a very old cal thing tbh i cant imagine it surviving in the rework

keen zodiac
worthy lintel
#

well, its your lucky day, it aint a patreon item

#

so the devil can, and should, die

craggy girder
#

the devil will do as it does and die

buoyant tangle
#

im sorry demonshade red devil... i did not intend to spell your destruction

golden sonnet
#

You have blood on your hands.

dense locust
#

its fine it deserves this for dodging the 1.5 flattening for so long

buoyant tangle
#

RIP Demonshade Red Devil, 2016-202?

half imp
#

noo

#

red devil is the most fun thing demonshade has

keen zodiac
lucid marsh
#

Make it more fun and give it a sepulcher minion

#

Or something like that

keen zodiac
#

just remove it until the rework and then you can make it cool

lucid marsh
#

Or hell make it summon SCal to do a big attack and then teleport away every once in a while

half imp
#

I enjoy spamming tridents

dense locust
#

didnt they patch that

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in 2.1

keen zodiac
dense locust
#

...isnt it 1.5x

half imp
keen zodiac
#

probably

dense locust
half imp
#

killing someone brb

keen zodiac
half imp
#

no

keen zodiac
#

l

half imp
#

time to add red devil spam to eternal exchange

dense locust
#

spawns a red devil every frame

#

they dont despawn and bypass the projectile limit

#

challenge is killing the boss before the item kills your pc

keen zodiac
#

that's just using svantechnical on any worm boss

hollow shell
dense locust
#

requirements:

  • critter statue
  • spawning method
  • murder method (optional)
fossil finch
#

that's fine leave it in

oblique birch
#

more effort than Toxic Heart so there's that

mossy pelican
#

How is it any different than any other statue spam for hearts

#

I think im missing something

lucid marsh
#

Normal heart statues have a pretty severe global spawn limit

fossil finch
#

We guess it technically requires less infrastructure

lucid marsh
#

Also heart statues aren't craftable

fossil finch
#

Yeah but you can bypass it through timing

lucid marsh
#

Ah

hazy nacelle
#

critters are not supposed to drop hearts

indigo yacht
fossil finch
#

In any case considering this has been in the mod for years and no one has cared i think it's like fine man. You're not doing anything meaningful by patching this out

mossy pelican
#

Once you have auric armor you probably dont even need the heart spam anyway

fossil finch
#

No one's out there making mob switchs to abuse bloodfare heart spawning

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like at some point silly exploits r kinda meaningless

indigo yacht
fossil finch
#

okay?

hazy nacelle
#

"it has been in the mod for years" is a bad argument

fossil finch
#

it kinda isn't because it's a balance question of it's making the experience worse by allowing abuse

lucid marsh
#

There are a lot of bad arguments that are treated as valid. Some of them are even hard rules

fossil finch
#

The fact it has stood for years without no one caring demonstrates it is not doing that

mossy pelican
#

I feel like the devs’ time and resources are better spent on other things

half imp
fossil finch
#

even if it's a simple setup people don't do things like this because it's still going out of one's way to have like, less fun?

half imp
#

I mean

lucid marsh
#

Demonshade is postgame to be fair

half imp
#

Making Bloodflare heart just not work on statue enemies

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Is very easy

oblique birch
lucid marsh
#

So like it's not causing problems because no one is using it for anything in their playthrough

indigo yacht
# fossil finch okay?

well, you're saying that since this is the case for whatever exploit the suggestion is talking about, it doesn't matter, when in the example of rogue stealth people did seem to care enough to fix it

fossil finch
#

like, a thing a lot of people don't realize with exploits is that even if they're technically simple most people won't bother because it's going out of their way to break their standard normal fun

lucid marsh
#

Oh right blood flare and auric though. I misremembered what this was about I think

mossy pelican
#

I lowkey feel like this convo isnt gonna end well

fossil finch
#

It doesn't help if you make comments like that?

hazy nacelle
#

ultimately it's up to the devs so I don't know what's the point of defending it staying in just because it has gone unnoticed

half imp
#

the convo is going to end by me locking the suggestion and implementing a different fix

indigo yacht
half imp
#

that's what psycho knife is for now

indigo yacht
#

true

hazy nacelle
fossil finch
indigo yacht
#

psycho knife crafting tree so that there's a stupid weapon to buff all class damage at every point of the game

half imp
#

It arguably could be fine here, balance issues, or maybe even bug reports? I could see any of them

indigo yacht
hazy nacelle
#

if it's not a balance issue it's a bug then?

half imp
#

but here is fine

fossil finch
half imp
#

I'm just going to make it not proc on statue enemies instead of not proc on critters

hazy nacelle
#

but yeah in general you can't use statue spawned enemies for lots of things

half imp
#

so the suggestion will be locked instead of marked completed

indigo yacht
indigo yacht
#

go my zerg potion

half imp
#

Ok have fun

mossy pelican
#

Go my journey mode

plush flame
#

toxic heart was also staying still and keeping critter statues near on a quarter second timer

dense locust
#

if anything this is more flexible than toxheart since you dont have to be standing right next to it

fiery hamlet
#

i didn't think the squirrels would spawn hearts since the lava is an instant kill and they'd never be below 50% hp but i guess that wasn't the case

#

kinda ruined my exo mechs fight by accident because i was using the hunger potions to pick up hearts from the boss

half imp
#

exos fight is ruined by existing it's fine

keen zodiac
fiery hamlet
#

true, at least i beat scal before finding invincibility 20 minutes later

hollow shell
#

#suggestions-posting message
I didn't have much trouble with the Vernal Pass island against Plantera. Her typical circle strats worked fine around it.
But I did struggle with its presence against PBG.
(So I actuated it. Because it's pretty and I didn't wanna break it)

glass arch
#

i would like to point out that bulbs cannot spawn multiple planteras if one is already alive

gaunt crystal
#

@fiery hamlet you have given me a very very fun idea

fiery hamlet
#

uhhh you're welcome

vestal crater
#

im sorry for not bothering to make a lengthy reasoning but i dont really think it needs one for this

humble scarab
lucid marsh
tiny minnow
#

I managed to beat Revengance mode Dragonfolly in the vernal pass once.

buoyant tangle
#

Death Dragonfolly is more than possible in Vernal Pass if you place the lingering beams right

plush flame
half imp
#

calamity already adds fastfall

vestal crater
#

yes its in the base kit already

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or more like

#

faster acceleration downwards

#

same shit

tropic yoke
#

Just use Gelatinous Pillion or Normality Relocator

tiny minnow
#

Or Portal Gun

tropic yoke
#

ew

#

I mean technically but I'd never pull ts out mid-fight

fossil finch
#

hi yes calamity is not like a top down shoot them up it doesnt need omnidirectional dashing

half imp
#

I mean

#

Omnidirectional dash would be awesome

#

But NOT in the base kit

drowsy plank
#

@fringe pasture there's no reasoning for this beyond "it would be cool"

#

there's also plenty of options for fastfall listed above already, and im pretty sure godslayer is omni-directional, right?

#

there's stygian shield too

#

i think there are a few omni-directional dash options

oblique birch
#

because other directions are already covered

half imp
#

fastfall is a calamity thing we add

drowsy plank
#

yeah i remember that too, i think they were implying an innate dash that applied to all dashes or something

earnest raptor
#

from what I remember when reading hollow knight discourses and such

drowsy plank
#

the lack of explanation on what exactly this is isn't helping either

earnest raptor
#

downwards dash is trippy

half imp
#

they are but it doesn't address the fact that fastfall exists and how this is different

earnest raptor
half imp
#

skill issue

earnest raptor
oblique birch
earnest raptor
#

although that's just fargo's

oblique birch
#

the speed differences between normal falling and fast falling in HK is massive it's understandable why people misinput it often

earnest raptor
half imp
#

not omnidirectional smh

#

Can't go up it says

tepid crown
crude geode
#

I think the point has been established

fringe pasture
plush flame
craggy girder
#

doesnt queens stinger require a keybind

#

instead of a keyboard input

#

(ANCIENT discussion)

mossy pelican
#

I love the queen’s stinger if I’m using a dash

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And playing eternity that is

plush flame
#

unless you bind it to a mouse

craggy girder
#

okay so this would be SrS and also a possible poor idea but i still wanna throw the idea out:
have Ichor (on enemies) lower either DR or Defense depending on which is higher, and have Crumbling (on enemies) instead increase the damage debuffs do by 50% (for flasks)
reason is that ichor and crumbling as of current kinda do the same thing, but you often gotta check the wiki to see if they have higher defense or higher dr

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do we like the idea

golden sonnet
#

Didn't boss DR die?

dense locust
#

no

oblique birch
#

normal enemies DR died

dense locust
#

boss dr is lower overall but still exists

golden sonnet
mossy pelican
dense locust
golden sonnet
#

Wait nvm they are still there. Am I accidentally leaking? I swear that was done for a public release

#

I thought there were going to be like, 5 bosses that had it

oblique birch
#

oops

golden sonnet
#

Yeah, I'm totally leaking. My bad. I thought that was done for brainstorm but I guess it was just discussed

oblique birch
#

X D

small bramble
#

Since we're talking about fastfalling can we get an option to make default platforms behave as though they were hammered once (aka they don't pause you when you fall through them)

Probably not but it would be cool to have it without the 'qol' mod that does it

#

Realistically not that important for base calamity difficulty but...

mystic sandal
craggy girder
#

whats the point of crumbling then lol

#

(more appeal to my srs yeess)

golden sonnet
craggy girder
#

Damn.

golden sonnet
#

or don't so I can hide the evidence

craggy girder
#

what the heck raesh why would you leak the most inconsequential thing everer

golden sonnet
#

It's not really that it's a major thing, as we'd just give bosses more health or defense to compensate resulting in the same killtimes without adding a confusing additional stat. It's just that I was not really responsible for the change, or planned change, so it isn't really up to me to share

#

it's a matter of principle

grave zincBOT
#

@buoyant tangle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Demonshade armor Red Devil toggleable]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

dense locust
#

07

oblique birch
#

o7

buoyant tangle
#

death

craggy girder
#

its dead

oblique birch
#

someone must stain their hands with blood

craggy girder
#

did they ever vote on my two suggestions sob

grave zincBOT
#

@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change Victide melee armor to only fire the seashell on melee hits]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

echo leaf
#

Oh is Victide getting reworked

#

Nice

golden sonnet
#

I guess technically we could change this before then, but victide is/will be reworked to no longer have a shell at all

echo leaf
#

Nice

crude geode
#

Sick

golden sonnet
#

It's already been revealed by other devs, so I can elaborate that it's no longer class based at all

#

so probably not worth changing in the updates till the rework is in public

lucid marsh
#

I wish I could do specific item suggestions because I feel like I've got some good ones

keen zodiac
#

pester doze until he adds one clueless

craggy girder
#

there should be a server dedicated solely to SiS

#

i think. it'd be really funny .

crude geode
craggy girder
#

you dont know when the next Grand Dad will be

lucid marsh
#

I kinda talked about it before but like

#

I can 100% do better than half the items in the game

keen zodiac
#

my dad could do better than half the items in the game

crude geode
#

my dog could do better than half the items in the game

errant wren
#

i could do better than half the items in the game

#

i think

golden sonnet
#

to be clear, in terms of ideas and not implementation, I think anyone in the dev team could do better with half the items in the game

#

We are working on top of a massive foundation that gets outdated almost as fast as it is updated

crude geode
#

^

errant wren
#

true

#

in terms of implementation i can make like, the default sword

novel belfry
#

i know that for a fact that half the night/terra/elemental/exo weapon lines are planned for reworks anyways

lucid marsh
#

Fair enough

#

Can I like. At least share my ideas here even if they don't get used

#

I assume so

keen zodiac
#

no you'll get banned

#

forever

lucid marsh
#

Not in the suggestions channel

#

Lol

#

I thought there was an upgrade to the spirit flame but I can't find it

#

Well anyways my idea was something that combines the laser machinegun and the spirit flame and/or the Nightglow. It fires like a rapid fire magic gun as you expect, but it spawns homing spirit flames or Nightglow stars where it hits

craggy girder
#

ive had the idea of auric pneumatic gauntlets that replace phaseslayer as a-gss for a bit

#

(the design of which inspired by Yharim himself (used for either trenchbuilders, trenchwarfare, or brutes who can handle the sheer force of that punch))

keen zodiac
#

unfortunately, the auric gauss weapon is summoner

craggy girder
#

damn it..........

keen zodiac
#

there's already a melee gauss weapon (auger)

craggy girder
#

wait can weapons not have the same type as another of the same class

lucid marsh
#

Then like. Make another one

#

Don't limit yourself like that

keen zodiac
#

each class gets 1 weapon of each type

lucid marsh
#

Although I suppose that would mean it has the same name

keen zodiac
rancid lotus
# keen zodiac

Why is Aerilite needed for so much of Draedon's Arsenal?

keen zodiac
#

to lock it behind evil2

#

i don't think there's lore significance

craggy girder
keen zodiac
#

whar

dense locust
#

why not

rancid lotus
# keen zodiac

Maybe Aerialite is like super durable, super light, and is like rubber where it absorbs electricity?

glass arch
keen zodiac
#

whar

craggy girder
#

why not have it auric tier

#

instead of uelibloom

glass arch
#

because exo armor

dense locust
#

^

keen zodiac
#

what are either of you saying

dense locust
#

exo armor is litterally one tier away anyway

rancid lotus
#

Which either of you?

craggy girder
#

oh is that a thing

#

i did not know

keen zodiac
#

sticker and doobie

keen zodiac
craggy girder
#

the armors

keen zodiac
#

oh

#

it's post golem to post prov

#

wouldn't call it right after

craggy girder
#

arsenaltier wise

#

i didnt know exo armor existed though so

glass arch
#

tier 3 arsenal armor is right after tier 2 in the tiers because that hits post moon lord and a point in hardmode that doesnt have overwhelming bloat like early hardmode does and if it were auric yeah exo armor

keen zodiac
#

it will exist

lucid marsh
craggy girder
#

also isnt arsenal armor planned to be like tetris or am i misremembering

rancid lotus
keen zodiac
rancid lotus
dense locust
craggy girder
#

you get lil pieces for your armor and you put them in the box

keen zodiac
#

it will be customizable

#

i believe the term you're looking for is modular

craggy girder
#

yeas

lucid marsh
rancid lotus
novel belfry
# keen zodiac

my favorite part about this image is that it shows that for some reason the red weapons go from summoner to melee in order

keen zodiac
#

@modern shard improper formatting + no reasoning + reversion suggestions aren't allowed

hollow shell
#

The new Oathsword line is also really really satisfying and cool
And quite unique as well. Interesting core gameplay dynamic
And very well polished

#

The old iterations were.. quite a bit more jank
and were homing projectile nightmares, really "unhealthy" for melee as a class

#

The previous Old Lord Claymore was unique, indeed
But woefully unbalanced. That much mobility PreHM was insanity
And the unnecessary homing projectiles made it near-completely mindless to use

Even though the new Old Lord Claymore is just a true melee no-projectile no-on-hit-effecf sword, I enjoy using it, a lot
Because its game feel is fantastic. Extremely satisfying to land hits

drowsy plank
#

OLC was so good people were using it until late into hardmode in a lot of challenges where mobility was otherwise inhibited

#

i can't imagine what it would've been like if people actually caught on to using it just in normal runs more consistently

#

the rework was more than necessary, and the old one was definitely just growing pains from trying to make actually unique weapons

hollow shell
#

Yeah that's a great way to look at it

#

Growing pains

severe sparrow
# hollow shell Growing pains

agreed
OLC had no real reason to have such a strong dash, especially for when you can get it
OLC now just being a fairly simple but incredibly fun to use weapon was all it ever needed to be

gaunt crystal
#

ngl the old oathsword being a new weapon later in progression would be cool

half imp
#

Go my stygian shield

buoyant tangle
#

give it like 3 or 4 years and another weapon will be reworked to echo a similar function to the original version of another weapon

fossil finch
#

The eternal rework ends: NEVER

novel belfry
keen zodiac
#

wait true

obsidian nova
errant wren
#

based sugg i think

drowsy plank
#

this one was so fucking hard to write but i hope people get the jist

#

slime god, calclone, and brimmy could be all drops, and PBG really should just be full upgrades atp, and AS could drop and use corroded fossils or something of the likes to do direct upgrades from DS's drops

glass arch
#

does pbg really need to drop anything aside from infected armor plating

drowsy plank
#

no

#

malachite can stay too, but it's 7 fucking direct drops really should be upgrades

#

you could just make them a set a la hallowed bars atp

earnest raptor
drowsy plank
#

yes

#

malevolence and virulence should upgrade from bees knees and bee keeper

exceptions would be the hive, plague staff, syringe, fuel cell, and infected remote, but if you just make the drops malachite, syringe, and remote i think that would be fine

hive could just upgrade from rocket launcher
plague staff could just die
fuel cell could upgrade from hornet staff

#

if plague staff really needs to live it could just upgrade from venom staff since that's what it is already anyway

crude geode
#

Plague staff being the mage drop for PBG is annoying

#

Not that virulence is much more original

half imp
#

pbg drop pool overall reflects queen bee drop pool with some minor changes

#

Sword, bow, bee minion

#

but no bee gun due to Wasp Gun existing

keen zodiac
#

remove plague staff

half imp
#

so we get plague staff instead

#

And then rogue is rogue

drowsy plank
#

pbg still drops 7 weapons while QB drops 4... 3 if we exclude that fraud hardened honeycomb but whatever

half imp
#

People complaining about Vengeful Sun Staff but it's not a new precedent

#

Go my duststorm in a bottle

drowsy plank
#

duststorm also sucks

half imp
tepid crown
#

yea

half imp
#

how many was it before 2.1

tepid crown
#

11 iirc

drowsy plank
#

8 if you count malevolence

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half imp
#

oh the donor item and the legendary

#

Ok yeah

keen zodiac
#

why wouldn't you count malevolence

drowsy plank
#

i meant malachite

tepid crown
#

i think cog meant malachite

#

yea

half imp
#

Why is The Hive still a drop what

drowsy plank
#

100 unrememberable weapons

#

GREAT QUESTION

tepid crown
drowsy plank
#

plague staff should be an upgrade too if it really needs to live

keen zodiac
#

why the fuck is plague staff a staff

half imp
#

The hive, plague staff should yeah

keen zodiac
#

pbg is mechanical

#

not magical

drowsy plank
earnest raptor
#

can plague staff get plague keeper's projectiles?

half imp
#

Actually

drowsy plank
#

i dont even know why it's a PBG drop

half imp
#

It's poison staff 4

keen zodiac
half imp
#

poison staff
venom staff
asrealchnea staff
plague staff

dense locust
half imp
#

True

keen zodiac
#

kill all astral enemy weapons except titan arm

half imp
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no

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terrible idea

tepid crown
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we need poison staff 6 with sage poison

half imp
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I'd rather kill aureus drops than astral enemy post aureus drops

keen zodiac
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tell me one person that's used astral scythe

half imp
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yardis

keen zodiac
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yardis isn't real

half imp
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In his 2.1.0 playthrough

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(because boss checklist bugged and it dropped early)

keen zodiac
drowsy plank
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kill the astral enemy drops and replace them with aureus's current drops ultimatesmug

dense locust
keen zodiac
half imp
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Then move alula to an enemy drop

earnest raptor
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can some of weapons be moved to start hm, so astral is not pointless to visit early?

keen zodiac
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gend clueless

drowsy plank
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honestly true

mossy pelican
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the humble monolith

frail fox
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Make Astral real

half imp
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Like these are all fine

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frail fox
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And also move celestial claymore there

half imp
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astral scythe could use a rework

keen zodiac
indigo yacht
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alula australis đź’ś

half imp
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Monolith Sword is faster to get

dense locust
drowsy plank
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there are two monolith weapons and they are not good to my knowledge but i also dont think they're supposed to be

mossy pelican
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buff summoner

keen zodiac
half imp
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stellar cannon has a cool projectile

dense locust
half imp
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It just needs to be more interesting

frail fox
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Stellar cannon top 5 forgettable cal weapons

half imp
drowsy plank
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the only drops that actually feel post-aureus are hive pod and glorious end
and titan arm, i guess

mossy pelican
indigo yacht
# indigo yacht alula australis đź’ś

would changing the way the trails work to despawn a lot earlier be a suggestion, balance report, or an oversight? because currently they linger for a while which means you get a shitton of stars for the first few seconds then it quickly drops to very few because the rest of the stars are spawning and being useless offscreen
obviously not intentional, and it would also affect weapon balancing so idrk

half imp
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Titan Arm is gutted by being post aureus

frail fox
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Titan arm needs a rework if so because slap arm is already mech tier

half imp
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yeah it needs a rework anyway

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I might port dcwo titan arm

frail fox
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I mean true

dense locust
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Titan arm to become hardmode grand dad

frail fox
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TRUE

half imp
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dcwo titan arm port would be easy and cool

frail fox
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dcwo Titan Arm port

half imp
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Stellar Cannon is also like pretty fine but could use some prettification

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At least it'd be fine as it is pre mech

crude geode
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(What is DCWO)

indigo yacht
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(d) calamity (w) overhaul

dense locust
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True?

half imp
frail fox
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It’d be nice if stellar cannon did anything

half imp
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Drill Containment W. (o)Unit

indigo yacht
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genius

dense locust
crude geode
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Drill Containment is a W

half imp
indigo yacht
dense locust
crude geode
half imp
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I'm like so split on trying to port DCWO

earnest raptor
drowsy plank
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you can just ask the other devs
if it's a bad idea they'd just say no lmao

half imp
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no sorry I meant by that

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Split on trying to port it to 2.1.x

drowsy plank
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ah

half imp
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I think it'd be more work than worth

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mostly because devastation died

rancid lotus
half imp
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why would there need to be

dense locust
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Because subclasses are not real

half imp
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like

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If anything that's points towards it

indigo yacht
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you dont understand everything ever must have a copy of the same generic weapon template but with new colors

frail fox
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Stellar Cannon is also basically a gun so who cares

half imp
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It doesn't just force weapons of a class/subclass to have something

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it just does what it wants

crude geode
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^

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Not every class needs something from everything

dense locust
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What even is aureus’ ranged drop

half imp
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Blazer

dense locust
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Cannot remember a single thing about that weapon

rancid lotus
frail fox
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Wait it’s peak we have to keep blazer

earnest raptor
dense locust
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Ok yeah it’s peak

indigo yacht
earnest raptor
rancid lotus
half imp
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Blazer could just be a post aureus enemy drop too tbh

crude geode
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I think we could delete aureus

dense locust
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Nebulash was an enemy drop at one point no?

earnest raptor
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speaking of aureus

was the disk thing from astral chest ever good?

half imp
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yes

crude geode
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Yes

dense locust
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Oh god yes

half imp
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that would be a good item to rework

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also

crude geode
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Broken in fact

rancid lotus
dense locust
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Stardisk was broken for ages

half imp
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can we please just Have An Astral Key

dense locust
earnest raptor
crude geode
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It’s 2026 surely we can