suggestions-discussion

[golden sonnet]

This is already planned for the future

[keen zodiac]

🎉

[novel belfry]

i should do a suggestion for moderators who are also caldevs to be given an additional role that shows their double duty

[craggy girder]

heh

double doody

[crude geode]

more like double booty

[keen zodiac]

server suggestions go to @sonic torrent

[oblique birch]

I think Purity and and Inferna Cutter are waiting for their fated plans

that's why Feller's effects aren't with them

[mossy pelican]

Maybe not an extra summon slot, but def smth to boost minions

[novel belfry]

feller has effects?

[indigo yacht]

the menacing reforge

[keen zodiac]

wasn't grax gonna become braelor's axe or something

[keen zodiac]

more fruit from shaking trees

[oblique birch]

I don't think they're gonna use a dev item to do that

[frail fox]

Inferna Cutter’s plan of dying immediately

[oblique birch]

33% of dropping fruits from shaking trees

really good for alcohol farming

you get to shake 500 trees per day

that's a lot of fruits

(why tree shaking is even limited fuck vanilla)

[oblique birch]

I love its sprite 🥺

maybe turn it into a cool axe weapon and cut tie with the line

[plush flame]

10% minion kb

[keen zodiac]

kill tectonic truncuator

[mossy pelican]

Mmm Sprite

[oblique birch]

so true

[lucid marsh]

mage weapon balance is fucked

the magic missile is stronger than the rainbow rod

[oblique birch]

what

😨

[lucid marsh]

yep

turns out doubling the damage (projectiles) of a late prehardmode weapon makes it better than a mid hardmode weapon

[dense locust]

what are you getting this from

[lucid marsh]

playing the game

I played the game and found that I do more damage against several scenarios with the magic missile than any other upgrade I get

except in a few scenarios with the laser rifle

[dense locust]

I dont know what could have changed given missile was unchanged by the update and rod was buffed

[lucid marsh]

magic missile has 800 dps against on tier enemies and bosses

[dense locust]

that doesnt sound right

[lucid marsh]

magic missile was given double projectiles

it was meant to be a sidegrade to the flamelash. They accidentally made it not that

[indigo yacht]

i remember magic missile being good but i dont think it was that good

[dense locust]

smells like a bug

[lucid marsh]

I beat the twins with it

with slime armor

I wasn't even planning on fighting the twins yet

anyways yeah it feels like it would be reasonable if you swapped it with the rainbow rod

[dense locust]

I mean given there is zero note of missile being changed

I dont think this is intended at all

[tepid crown]

i mean

considering theyre homing weapons

should be easy to just give it a quick test rn,,

[lucid marsh]

Want me to do that?

I mean. I don't have anything set up for it

But if you'd like, please do this

Compare to other weapons around the tier

It definitely depends on the number of targets and how big the targets are, but against some bosses the magic missile is way stronger than it should be

[dense locust]

hold on gimmie a second

[tepid crown]

nah im doing it rn,,

[lucid marsh]

My rough, easier to set up benchmark is 2 target dummies in a row, with a space between them. The magic missile gets just under 1k dps with this setup, while all the other weapons I tested between that tier and the rainbow rod gave between 200 and 500 dps

[oblique birch]

go my tester

[tepid crown]

shut it kiriblue

[lucid marsh]

This roughly lined up with what I saw against real scenarios, with some variance. Also remember you can spam click the magic missile really, really fast

[oblique birch]

I held back

good for my safety

[craggy girder]

rainbow rod should fire three projectiles

unless you’re saying that weapons between not inclusive

[dense locust]

like its definitely powerful and rainbow rod was never particularly good

but like

[lucid marsh]

Rainbow rod fires one projectile

For me

Unless they overlap instantly

Magic missile fires one and then another after a short time

While rainbow rod fires one visible projectile

It seems to fire one projectile that hits up to 3 times, while magic missile fires 2 projectiles that each hit up to 2 times

Not including the explosion at the end

For comparison, flamelash seems to launch one projectile that hits up to 2 times, so half as many hits as the magic missile.

[lucid marsh]

Please test it against the twins

And compare it to like, Laser rifle and nights ray

[craggy girder]

no im saying a s a balance method

[tepid crown]

no

[lucid marsh]

Oh

[tepid crown]

rainbow rod got a 2:14, magic missile got 3:04

[craggy girder]

they made magic missile good by having it shoot more projectiles

[tepid crown]

3 menacing, 3 warding

[lucid marsh]

strange that this is very different from what I'm geting. though I am not using mana potions

I've been using this setup with slight adjustments, like weaker armor and wings earlier

[craggy girder]

oh is it polarizer

it might be polarizer being nuts

[dense locust]

vs twins
magic missile - 3:20
rainbow rod - 2:19
laser rifle - 3:09

[tepid crown]

polariser only gives a max of 15% damage

[dense locust]

like its definitely very impressive for a phm weapon but I think its pretty solidly worse than rainbow rod

[lost spire]

Isn't menacing bad on mage? Magic power already gives you +20% so full lucky always works best for me. Also nice for farms.

[dense locust]

magic power is +10

in cal

[lost spire]

The new arcane is also good is you don't have chaos stone.

[tepid crown]

yea was gonna say that magic power is nerfed in cal

[dense locust]

anyway the reforges dont matter that much as long as its consistent between tests

[tepid crown]

they indeed were

and i made sure to uncheck the twins death after my first test

not like it wouldve mattered since rainbow rod was my 2nd test and it was definitely faster

hdfailure

[dense locust]

ok allegedly it has been dealt with (it was the global iframe nuke)

[tepid crown]

huh

i thought it got changed to static

[lucid marsh]

ok I just tested against a super dummy and yeah they are actually not that crazy, just about equal

[dense locust]

spawaning 2 projectile has been a thing in cal for awhile btw which is why I was innitially confused

[lucid marsh]

which I suppose makes magic missile just kinda crazy instead of extremely crazy

[tepid crown]

ah.

the resulting explosion also hits the enemy

causing it hit two times more than intended

[dense locust]

yes

[dense locust]

other weapons that were apperently affected by this: meteor staff, nebula blaze, stynger

[dense locust]

I love making wing stats completely irrelevant

[drowsy plank]

why would we give people infinite flight when we dont even allow insignia to do that

[oblique birch]

I think it's a not good idea

FUCK

[calm knot]

the curse

[dense ferry]

I think it IS a good idea

[oblique birch]

Missing 1 word and my sentence is completely having the opposite meaning

[dense ferry]

Implementing it right now

[oblique birch]

It's so over for me

[dense ferry]

And also killing whoever disagrees with me

[oblique birch]

😭

Laura f u stop bullying me

[calm knot]

i mean i personally thought it was cool,

[boreal lichen]

what if we kill you instead huh?

[dense ferry]

I dodge

[dense ferry]

It's an idea that makes sense until you realize just how important managing flight time is

And how many things only exists because of that

1 - If flight time is a non-issue, wings stop mattering and there's no reason to care about any of them.
2 - Hooks and arena building would have no reason to exist, as those are mainly used for refreshing flight time. This creates a great degree of skill expression.
3 - The fights are designed around flight time management being a thing. They would be immensely different otherwise.
4 - If flight time as a mechanic is removed, that means we cannot offer accessories that interact with it.

[drowsy plank]

idk where all these infinite flight time people came from but can we just add "bosses give infinite flight" to the frequent dont after this

[oblique birch]

Infernum does it a lot to post ML bosses

[drowsy plank]

yeah but infernum has existed for years why is this only happening now

[oblique birch]

And some HM bosses I think I remember AS has infinite flight in later phases

[calm knot]

yeah true

[oblique birch]

Never too late

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[novel belfry]

okay, infernum Providence does this, but she can get away with it on account of her being fought in a specific space, as well as the fact that her 2nd phase entirely hinges off you having infinite flight because the floor is now lava

[craggy girder]

unless a fight is specifically designed around letting you fly forever, you should not let a player fly forever most times

[golden sonnet]

Resetting flight is an important skill on moon Lord so you don't get caught falling down when the death Ray is coming up. This can also be entirely ignored if you get RoD so isn't forced on you if you want a cop out. I feel just always giving infinite flight neglects a lot of aspects of MLs fight, and really does not need it imo

[distant gyro]

this is correct

AoP replacement will be Felller + Regrowth

[oblique birch]

Purity is dying yippie

I just think it'd be nice if Inferna's sprite is repurposed

Kinda like it a lot

And there aren't much axe weapons

[wispy wraith]

ML is easy enough anyways

#suggestions-voting message

uh what are you talking about

vernal needs significant investment to make into a good arena

whereas archives has a few minor platforms that are easy to break

[oblique birch]

Ye pure unedited Vernal is not very good

Most will mine out the middle island or make the whole thing less bumpy

[gaunt crystal]

I smooth out the center

never fully remove it because I use it for farming plague cells

[half imp]

oh good to know

time to fix magic missile, meteor staff, and nebula blaze

[umbral gazelle]

@toxic depot i think you have to specify which or what of BoC should be adjusted

[toxic depot]

the third phase

[umbral gazelle]

just "nerf brain of cthulhu" seem a bit too vague for me

[umbral gazelle]

which attack or just all of them on the third phase

[toxic depot]

that rainbow spinning shit

[umbral gazelle]

the what

[toxic depot]

nvm

[urban berry]

@calm knot Why do you think to make this suggestion..?

[tiny minnow]

Just go clockwise.

[ripe owl]

@toxic depot no joke suggestions

[obsidian nova]

I remember there was talk to revert chlorophyte armor set bonus back to vanilla one, I'm guessing nothing came of it?

[half imp]

that happened

2.1 has vanilla chloro set bonus

[dense locust]

least nitpicky suggestion trust

[drowsy plank]

incredible

[craggy girder]

bullhead helm

[rancid lotus]

Why not theme it with a being that uses others to do its bidding like, a bee, or a hornet because that has horn in the name.

[half imp]

The way this is worded is so funny

"there is no known creature, living or otherwise, simply called a horned" is killing me

[rancid lotus]

But there is no known living being simply called a “Horned”.

[tepid crown]

is it wrong

[half imp]

something doesn't have to be wrong to be funny

[eternal escarp]

its litterally 🔥 ✍️

[vocal wedge]

What, you've never heard of the Horned? They live in Peru and swallow Llamas whole.

[gilded citrus]

It is funny

[eternal escarp]

we havnt had a suggestion this true since the flippening of the arctic arrow sprite

[boreal lichen]

real

[half imp]

It also tbh should not be helm

[tepid crown]

flippening of eye of desolation

[half imp]

We already have another helm

same with the dual mask

[eternal escarp]

a visage, a mask, a hood

[rancid lotus]

Summoners use like, masks or hoods right?

[eternal escarp]

a headcrest

[vocal wedge]

Armour with a hat helmet.

[rancid lotus]

How does that grant defense?

[eternal escarp]

Terraria

[half imp]

anyway renaming to Bloodflare Butterfly Helm now

[vocal wedge]

Sick.

[tame vigil]

bloodflare triceratops helm

[eternal escarp]

if calamity added a triceratops vanity i would pay 10 bucks to the patreon

[rancid lotus]

Bloodflare Summoner Headgear 🧠

[eternal escarp]

this statement is not at all binding

[hazy nacelle]

crown, diadem, circlet, toque, beanie, headband, hat

[eternal escarp]

okay a bloodflare beanie would be really funny

[rancid lotus]

Tiara too.

[half imp]

Wait cook

Bloodflare Bunny Beanie

[eternal escarp]

the rabbit ears

[rancid lotus]

Bloodflare Baldcap

[eternal escarp]

its a killer rabbit from monty python

[glass arch]

is it just me or is this really hard to say

[eternal escarp]

the flare part eases it up, wouldve been harder without it

blood bunny beanie

[half imp]

I find that easier tbh

[glass arch]

no thats easy the flare makes it way harder

[eternal escarp]

dsmn reslly?

the flare rsets my brain it makes it easier to not get jumbled

-# i mean its not that hard either eay but, relstively

[north oracle]

another good fluffy sugg

[eternal escarp]

man im so glad we have fluffy

[glass arch]

its essentially a pattern thing

bl and fl in bloodflare set up a pattern of consonants followed by an l which then doesnt get repeated into bunny

[vocal wedge]

Real.

[hazy nacelle]

bloodflare blunny bleanie

[craggy girder]

call it the boulder boulderamental and make it shoot moon boulders

[boreal lichen]

👎

[novel belfry]

you can tell doobie wrote a suggestion by how blunt and short it gets

[keen zodiac]

why wasn't it changed in 2.0.2

[vocal wedge]

Real.

[glass arch]

you can tell when i ran out of reasoning by how blunt and short it gets

[boreal lichen]

3 mythical rename suggestions in a mere hour?

[novel belfry]

i mean

theres plenty of reasoning

like. "Signus canonically not only doesn't serve the Devourer, he doesn't even serve Noxus, the Devourer's boss."

[glass arch]

not a whole lot that doesnt boil down to "this guy just isnt"

[half imp]

what if the devourer is not the devourer of gods huh

what then

[novel belfry]

the devourer of envoys, clearly

envoy of the devourer of envoys

[keen zodiac]

[novel belfry]

quite possibly the most precarious position in the multiverse

[vocal wedge]

The Devourer of Good, Fried Chicken.

[half imp]

I think we should rename him to

[keen zodiac]

dead

[glass arch]

you're right we should rename him to

[half imp]

Hovering over him blue screens your computer

[keen zodiac]

it should delete system32

[glass arch]

first time signus has been difficult in the history of calamity mod

[hazy nacelle]

I actually dislike the long names just for the UI issues that causes

[oblique birch]

first time ever

[indigo yacht]

false alarm you can just circle the bsod

[severe sparrow]

what is a dimensional drive

i looked at the wiki and i cant find anything

[half imp]

God Slayer Armor set bonus

[rancid lotus]

Dimensional Drive (Prevoiusly called “Godslayer Dash” is an omni-directional cursor-following dash which is an Armor set bonus for the Godslayer & Auric armor set.

[severe sparrow]

ah i see

makes sense

[north oracle]

this is why we like doobie suggestions (no unnecessary reasoning bloat to make it longer)

[craggy girder]

whats an Envoy anyhow

[glass arch]

representative

[vocal wedge]

A diplomat.

[craggy girder]

is DoG not his boss

[glass arch]

no

[tepid crown]

no

[vocal wedge]

No.

[craggy girder]

council is saying no

his boss would then be Noxus i presume?

[vocal wedge]

No.

[boreal lichen]

Also no

[errant wren]

i think signus quit a while back

[vocal wedge]

Signus is an entrepeneur.

[craggy girder]

Does This Guy Have A Boss Lmao

[boreal lichen]

He's his own boss

[errant wren]

signus is self-employed

[vocal wedge]

I just said he's an entrepeneur.

[craggy girder]

magica

magical*

[errant wren]

do you think signus is part of a union

[vocal wedge]

I think he union busts.

[crude geode]

^

[errant wren]

i might have to kill signus then

[mossy pelican]

I vote we replace signus with ignus, his more fiery cousin

[craggy girder]

Sigmus, the beefier but also kinda idiotic second cousin

[mossy pelican]

Like the twins

[craggy girder]

which twins

theres like Four tmk

[mossy pelican]

The mech ones

[craggy girder]

got it !

[mossy pelican]

A boss with two entities

[vocal wedge]

Which ones?

[keen zodiac]

ignalius

[crude geode]

Behold! ‘Twins’

[mossy pelican]

Okay Diogenes

[crude geode]

For my next trick I will turn Yharon into a human being by plucking his wings

[craggy girder]

Twins (100%)
Clones Calamitous (not exactly twins but they're reborn at the same time)
Brothers Calamitas (see above, but More So)

[craggy girder]

actually

[keen zodiac]

how did the infinite flight one get into voting

[half imp]

I mean

Is it against any rules

[oblique birch]

watch it

wins and wastes a slot

[craggy girder]

hmm.

me personally i think some sorta Bed/Dreamcatcher should be craftable which boosts the speed of Sleeping and that goes into the doohickey instead of the fishing drop

but also i think Calamity wants players to Fish

[oblique birch]

Could use a recipe post Deus sure but I don't think it's neccessery honestly

Given there're many things you could use to boost crates chance

Especially since post Deus you'll have multi lines rods even so it should take little time to get 1 Sundial

Actually

Do we have ways to mass farm baits?

[sleek turret]

Jungle bait farms

[glass arch]

fishing generally

[sleek turret]

also yea that

[oblique birch]

I don't think it's a net positive?

[sleek turret]

technically, because of how fishing bait consumption works the better the bait the lesser the consumption chance (usually)

[glass arch]

pretty sure it is

usually unless i get super unlucky i find myself with more bait than i started with

[sleek turret]

so if you do the fishing quests or constantly open higher tier crates (iron/golden) you should have 30%+ fishing power which is pretty good in that context

[craggy girder]

Crates :)

[oblique birch]

I think you'd still want to have at least a decent amount of baits before mass fishing Master Bait

[sleek turret]

the best one is grand marquis which was buffed actually, 65% -> 75%

the other methods is just obtaining bait manually like worms or the jungle bugs which is just breaking tiles and stuff

break.. stuff... like one of those days

[oblique birch]

Call Rain!

Then Zerg up in a town

For worms

[sleek turret]

Jungle bait farms are accessible considering the bugs appear on plants and if you do the quests for golden bug net you can just easily break them without having to use pickaxe then bug net each time

[balmy hound]

my idea is that QoL should be main progression (ex. piggy bank --> void bag --> safe). So somthing like hardmode potions should require blood orbs + other item, zerg should be moved later in progression, and cosmolight shouldn't require fishing which is on the side.

[oblique birch]

Zerg I think will just be killed

Since Bloody Mary now exists

[balmy hound]

zerg and potions were just examples to illustrate why i don't think we should fish for sundial

[balmy hound]

that's good

[indigo yacht]

honestly you can just get like 15 enchanted nightcrawlers and a passable fishing rod (probably potions as well, they might be unnecessary but i also never fish without potions) and you should have enough bait to self sustain unless you have absolutely dogshit luck

[crude geode]

blood orbs are actively disliked by devs iirc for removing a lot of why you would ever make potions

It’s a bandaid solution that’s overstayed it’s welcome

(Also like we just removed a bunch of ‘qol’ recipes and stuff, such as sand tackle bag)

[balmy hound]

what about moving blood orbs to post eow/boc?

a beginner player will naturally loot potions from chests and use plants to craft their potions, until a certain point where QoL would be desired in that area

nevermind my argument doesn't make sense

[keen zodiac]

they're moving post eoc

[oblique birch]

I think it's already is

[indigo yacht]

correct

they do not drop until eoc is dead

i don't see why potions need more qol they already have plenty if you're willing to take 5 minutes to collect it

alchemy table, staff of regrowth, and alluring bait all individually make each aspect of potion creation substantially more efficient

you get way more herbs (not to mention the buffs calamity gave to planter boxes in 2.1, unless those were scrapped), way more fish, and you have a 33% chance to not use them when crafting

but gathering those things takes the slightest modicum of effort

[oblique birch]

Wait Photo is HM???

😭

Fucked up

[keen zodiac]

always has been

[hazy nacelle]

personally, I would have removed desert prowler as content bloat and kept the snow ruffian as rogue

[clever lichen]

i was always fine with the two but then they ruined the reference it was trying to make, which is my main irk with it

[gilded citrus]

I think snow ruffian lost rogue cause snow stuff harder to get then the desert stuff and rogue doesnt have much easily accessible pre boss rogue stuff
Atleast thats what i think the reasoning is idk for sure

[glass arch]

desert prowlers set bonus works more as a rogue bonus and ranged already has a preboss desert armor

[indigo yacht]

u need flinx fur for snow ruffian which is a pain in the ass to get

I don't think we should change a vanilla armor set just so we can make sure a reference is slightly more accurate

[hazy nacelle]

fossil would be just as pain in the ass if cnidrion didn't exist (which is planned to not be the same in SSO)

[glass arch]

not really fossil is pretty easy to get

[indigo yacht]

I've not had that experience

[hazy nacelle]

and I'm pretty sure flinxes spawn a lot better now anyway

the only pain about it is that they spawn in caverns

[gilded citrus]

Holding stealth rogue preboss behind those is still eh imo
I think desert prowler works best for it gameplay wise

[indigo yacht]

flinx spawns are better but it's very tedious still if you don't have like hunter/battle potions or lifeform analyzers

[hazy nacelle]

underground tundra is a pre-boss biome

[glass arch]

its also important to note that a rogue preboss armor sucking to get is a bit of a bigger deal than other classes because rogue does need that armor to utilize its gimmick

[indigo yacht]

^

[indigo yacht]

doesn't bandit literally use weapons that could be likened to rogue weapons/accessories anyways like why does it need to be ranger

if anything rogue makes more sense

[hazy nacelle]

sounds like a wholly self made problem

[glass arch]

in the future maybe it isnt but currently for the majority of the game rogues gimmick is only accessible through armor

[indigo yacht]

anyways i feel like this suggestion should fall under "no reference suggestions"

this summoner one has no reasoning that i can see

[hazy nacelle]

early game is a mixed bag for any "pure" class playthrough, rogue is no special in that regard

[glass arch]

rogue is special in that regard

[hazy nacelle]

stealth rogue is

[glass arch]

because its gimmick is locked behind armor sets

[indigo yacht]

stealth rogue is the main way people play rogue

[glass arch]

and is also

rogues gimmick

[sleek turret]

lifeform analyzer does not check for snow flinxes unless this is a calamity change

[indigo yacht]

oh, i could have sworn it did

[sleek turret]

the main thing with snow flinxes is how they spawn, in the vanilla page for them it is detailed

[hazy nacelle]

which was changed a lot

[glass arch]

they spawn in the tundra caverns but they barely spawn on snow and ice blocks

[indigo yacht]

i used to have a really easy way to get lots of fur but it hasn't seemed to work recently

which was just going right to edge of the ice biome

[glass arch]

i think the solution is still to have other blocks for them to spawn on

[indigo yacht]

idk if i just got unlucky or if it changed

[hazy nacelle]

but it's still more often on not snow or ice, true

[sleek turret]

most likely because of this

[indigo yacht]

i know how the spawning works

[hazy nacelle]

but do you know why this is

[sleek turret]

enigmatic relogic stuff

[indigo yacht]

tru

[glass arch]

because relogic code

[indigo yacht]

"yes... lets make this ice biome enemy NOT spawn on ice... its genius"

[hazy nacelle]

other snow enemies are not allowed to spawn on not snowy blocks and pure biome enemies are not allowed to spawn in snow so it will spawn snow flinx on not snow/ice

[sleek turret]

that makes sense I guess

[half imp]

@sleek cedar life force doesn't work like that

It's +20 HP for every 100 you have

Not straight up +20%

[sleek cedar]

Oh really? That’s odd

[half imp]

I'm pretty sure lifeforce does work on them, but to notice you'd need all 4

[sleek cedar]

I wonder why

[half imp]

Or other max HP boosts

#suggestions-posting message

This falls both under reversion and reference

Right?

[gilded citrus]

Think so??

[drowsy plank]

i didnt even think about that but yeah

[royal tapir]

else if (this.buffType[j] == 113)
{
    this.lifeForce = true;
    this.statLifeMax2 += this.statLifeMax / 5 / 20 * 20;
}

Really weird definition lmao

[drowsy plank]

i dont
why the fuck does it divide and multiply by 20 those cancel out

[gilded citrus]

😭

[humble scarab]

someone accidently divided it by 20 so they wanted to cancel it out

[drowsy plank]

no wait i think he's using the fact that's he's multiplying by a fucking integer to remove the decimals in case the number doesnt round nicely

i hate that

i cant think of any other reason you'd do that

[half imp]

Yes

[half imp]

this is the most terraria code block of all time

it also means that no, our fruits don't work with lifeforce at all

[indigo yacht]

presumably to truncate

[drowsy plank]

this is not good fucking programming practice because like doze said this makes it so it only works in intervals of 100 because any number that divides to "0.something" is just treated as 0 for the sake of the integer multiplication

just do like Math.Floor(this.stateLifeMax/5) and you would actually get your 20%

[half imp]

don't even need math.floor could just cast to an int

[drowsy plank]

oh true

[indigo yacht]

i mean that's the intent

it's a dumb and unintuitive intent but it's working as intended

[sleek cedar]

That’s really funny

[tropic yoke]

Is it against some rule to suggest a buff to an item?

[vocal wedge]

Read the rules and find out.

[tropic yoke]

figured it'd be faster to just ask wtv

[obsidian nova]

Epic

[obsidian nova]

Don't forget about fez

[obsidian nova]

Meguca

[dense locust]

yes on account of the fact that there is a seperate fourum for that #1178515062030348308

[tropic yoke]

ty

[obsidian nova]

Who actually uses safes

[sleek turret]

more storage space is always good tbf

[drowsy plank]

no it isnt we have no idea what the true intent was, but i dont think this was it if lifeforce's tooltip says "increases max life by 20%". id assume the true intent was increasing max life by 20%. this is just bad

[indigo yacht]

there's like 30 other ways of achieving the supposed desired result i would assume this way was chosen for a specific reason that being intent

[drowsy plank]

i think this is just another EldMelter moment of red being bad at coding because otherwise id assume the tooltip would just. SAY "+20 life for every 100 you have". it's not like that's any wordier than what it says on there right now.

[craggy girder]

is it not just +20% life

[vocal wedge]

Nope.

Never has been.

[craggy girder]

it gives a 20% boost at 500 health !

and at 400 !

[vocal wedge]

It does.

But it doesn't at other increments.

Because it doesn't just add 20%.

[craggy girder]

it doesnt with the fruits either since those dont add +100, they add like

+50

[vocal wedge]

'The Lifeforce Potion does not always increase the player's maximum health by exactly 20%. Instead, it grants +20 HP for every 100 HP of the player's maximum health.[1] For example, a player with 425 maximum health will be granted 505 maximum health rather than 510.'

[craggy girder]

yeah im on the page

why doesnt it just give +20%

[vocal wedge]

I don't know, I'm not Red.

[drowsy plank]

terraria is built on a codebase made for a super mario fangame on an engine that was already unsupported by the time red started using it

this is just how things are

[craggy girder]

wh

[vocal wedge]

Terraria is a really elaborate mod for Super Mario Bros. 3 for the NES, as we all know.

[craggy girder]

what

[obsidian nova]

Kill Zen too while we're at it

[vocal wedge]

Red made Super Mario Bros. X.

[craggy girder]

i dont know what that is

[vocal wedge]

A Mario fangame.

[craggy girder]

well no shit

(rude mb)

[drowsy plank]

it's like if super mario maker was made in flash in the early 2000s

[vocal wedge]

It's peak.

[craggy girder]

ah

[humble scarab]

^

[vocal wedge]

And Link was there.

[craggy girder]

link was in smm2

[obsidian nova]

Red is a psychic confirmed

[sleek turret]

smbx is peak, interesting that a lot of terraria testers and people come from smbx forums and related stuff

[mossy pelican]

Bloodflare Devils Helmet or smth

[keen zodiac]

clearly it's named after the horned lizard

[urban berry]

Bloodflare Drake

[royal tapir]

@light pollen Cryogen lost its enrage in 2.1

[oblique birch]

suggestion death battle

only 1% will make out alive

[urban berry]

Battle of the shittiest most garbage suggestions

[light pollen]

now i have trust issues with wiki

[boreal lichen]

update released like a week and a half ago cut them some slack

[urban berry]

Not every page is edited instantly

[oblique birch]

it's like the biggest update ever wiki will take some time

[urban berry]

Hell.
I've seen wikis not update after a MONTH (Hypixel Skyblock)

[boreal lichen]

lmao

[urban berry]

no seriously

it's still stuck without Greenhouse content.

[oblique birch]

I'm just glad Cal wiki is fast at updating things

[urban berry]

I have to use the fandom wiki because they actually update(glad I have ublock origin)

[oblique birch]

some game wikis are entirely neglected it's actually sad to see

[urban berry]

Meanwhile Calamity Fandom wiki is uhhhh.....

[light pollen]

we don't talk about fandom wiki advertisement hell

[urban berry]

"Dron"
"Kulu-Yharon Ku"
"Hypnos"
"The Salvaged Trio"

CLAMITAS

[boreal lichen]

imagine if they had gallery pages for all of the animations (hell torture)

[urban berry]

I mean

Battle Cats has animations for every unit and their conjures

And backgrounds

keep in mind there's like 1000 units

400 cats and somewhere around 600-800 enemies

[novel belfry]

what the fuck

why is doobie's sugg above mine

[vocal wedge]

Because they're right!

[novel belfry]

i distinctly remember their post being made AFTER mine

[novel belfry]

[glass arch]

its because of the way suggbot puts suggestions in posting

if 2 suggestions are going into voting at the same timestamp the lowest ones in posting get sent first

[plush flame]

#suggestions-posting message
examples of high speed pre dog summons: virid vangard, sirius, stellar torus, snake eyes, tenryuu

[glass arch]

which very rarely happens but in cases where the bot gets turned on after a long period of inactivity it can be seen there

[kindred knot]

Destroyer Master/Death (I think they share the same value) Head Contact Damage Nerf

Any range from having it's current 420 damage reduced to 75%-50% of its current damage output would be fine (so anywhere from the range of 315dmg -> 210dmg, I personally think 65-60% would be best). Keep in mind ontop of dealing with the very sneaky destroyer, you have to put up with the lasers which deal 150dmg a peice + their respective debuffs, and the probes which deal 112/132 respectivley, and have 900hp a peice, plus the destroyer spams them.

opinions?

[drowsy plank]

sneaky...?

[kindred knot]

hes sneaky...

[drowsy plank]

it's a giant metal snake who's head is shown on your map 24/7

[kindred knot]

that or its hitbox is just absurdly bad beacuse theres been plenty of times where ive not touched his head and still ate 300 dmg

[drowsy plank]

if you can get footage of that it might make it more clear what the problem here is bc the head being punishing is kinda the point and also you can get life fruit at the start of hardmode in cal so if it's really that much of an issue it isn't actually a oneshot or anything, and this isn't even factoring in defense

also deep diver

[kindred knot]

i mean i can understand the head being punishing but NO other mech boss is dealing that much damage on the same tier

even at i think 60 defense right now its still dealing 300 damage which is absurd

[dense locust]

correct
as it should be

[kindred knot]

not even the big prime is moving like this

[drowsy plank]

how much does prime's head do anyway

[kindred knot]

uhh

[tepid crown]

200ish i think

with def

[kindred knot]

238

spin

and 120 for

regukar

[drowsy plank]

i c

[kindred knot]

but even then i dont feel like the destroyers head attacks are like a core part of their fight- especially compared to skeletron prime

[drowsy plank]

i mean yeah without footage i just dont think i can agree there are plenty of ways to deal with it and worm heads doing a lot are kind of the point

lmao huh

[kindred knot]

i feel like heavy contact damage is definitley more
spazmatism-skeletron prime centric

rather than

destroyer

[drowsy plank]

his entire kit is;

1. shoot lasers
2. spawn probes
3. try to ram his head into you

[kindred knot]

yeah and the head damage alone isnt factoring

everything else

i still dont think its justified giving him essentially a DOG mouth

[drowsy plank]

DoG was literally a knockoff destroyer at its origin where do u think the high mouth damage came from lmao

it's like this in vanilla too and in vanilla you dont have ram dash or life fruit to help either

[kindred knot]

i think theres an absurdly massive difference between vanilla and calamity

the differences between expert and reven alone is a chorelist long

[drowsy plank]

yes but dest head doing a lot is not one of them

in fact, the head damage is entirely sources from vanilla

it does 420 in vanilla master and 420 in death

it's literally unchanged

[kindred knot]

again, granted, again, theres still a massive difference in the two fights despite sharing essentially the same kit

[drowsy plank]

okay but why should the head damage be nerfed in the harder mode

[dense locust]

man this contact damage sure is a lot, sure wish there was a variety of easily obtainable options to avoid it that this mod provided me with

[kindred knot]

wtv

forgot how stingy this community is

[dense locust]

how is this being stingy

[drowsy plank]

i said multiple times you can provide footage of your fight to show that it's unfair or at least give us a better understanding of what your issue is but you entire argument has just been "destroyer's fight isn't about having a high contact damage head" when that is just verifiably untrue

[dense locust]

destroyer head is practically the fights only answer to high defense builds
you nerf the head damage then you just further encourage a strategy that is already by far the easiest way to beat the boss :/ (outside of just killing him in like 5 seconds that is)

[drowsy plank]

who would win; a mechanical war chariot of death powered by the souls of yharim's most loyal soldiers or one flaily boi

[glass arch]

im not going to the discord server cheat central whoever that spammer was

[tepid crown]

seemed like it was a bot considering they spammed nearly every channel at once

[drowsy plank]

weirdly not caught by the new bot filter...

but the old one is working just fine so whatever!

[tepid crown]

theres a new filter?

[drowsy plank]

for the image scams

[tepid crown]

ah

[lucid marsh]

It's supposed to be hard lol

I'd argue it should be turned even higher to make it clear that you are not meant to have any option besides dodging it

Maybe it could have a special mechanic where it always leaves you at 1 HP if you have a decent amount of HP but gives you extra I frames

[clever lichen]

all of bandit's weapons;
a shotgun variation of m1 that shoots 5 pellets (ranger)
a rifle variation that shoots 1 round (ranger)
a shortrange shiv (melee)
a longrange thrown dagger (rogue)
the smokebomb, intended to disengage and triggers mainly off m1/revolver shots (rogue/ranger)
a variant of pistol that refreshes cooldowns if a kill is landed (ranger)
a variant of pistol that gains more damage the more kills you gain with it (ranger)

4/5 ranger options depending on how you look at it and 1/2 rogue options

also, i don't think difficulty of getting the armor has anything to do with it because mage still only has one pretty good set preboss which is jungle which takes a LOT of components from jungle enemies, which i'd argue to be as hard to obtain as some flinx fur

[gilded citrus]

Mage has the gemspark robes for mage armour preboss albeit not a full armour set

[clever lichen]

yes but theyre a pretty bad option id argue

if you want to complete the set anyways, you need to get a tim spawn (which is more common with a robe on yes, but i digress)

[dense locust]

traveling merchant:

[clever lichen]

again, i don't think we're locking armor sets behind conveniency, the only reason they made the change was because ranger already had two desert options for armor

which there's so many other workarounds to fix this even if it does include msssing with fossil armor, and since when were we against changing vanilla sets? there are countless vanilla sets that were changed in the past

i mean, ffs, crystal assassin armor now gives rogue stealth

so that's already a basegame armor given rogue, like how itd be with my suggestion

[crude geode]

That’s bc crystal assassin is an all class set????

[dense locust]

there is a difference between giving rogue stealth to an armor that already gives a ton of allclass bonuses and completely changing the bonuses of an armor set to benefit a different damage type

[tepid crown]

theres a difference in that calamity doesnt entirely change a class, crystal assassin was only given rogue stats

[crude geode]

It’s not changing one class’ armor set from vanilla to be a different one

[tepid crown]

its not like it was turned to rogue only

[clever lichen]

i supposse that's fair

i just still don't get the point of the snow ruffian <-> desert prowler swap

[dense locust]

because having 2 desert ranged armors was dumb
and moving the calamity one is less intrusive than moving the vanilla one

[crude geode]

^

[half imp]

and because snow ruffian sucked to get for an armor that's required to literally be able to use the primary class mechanic

[oblique birch]

Stealth Meter moving to Rogue weapons needs to happen sooner

[tepid crown]

just get gladiator instead

[novel belfry]

just
make more variants of flinxs ngl

[half imp]

lame

[crude geode]

No

More flinxs is bad

[novel belfry]

okay then instead make it drop from like

the rimehounds

[crude geode]

What if we made it drop from you

[novel belfry]

wwhat the fuck

[hollow shell]

@dreamy edge Your suggestion title should probably specify Post-ML
Right now it looks unhelpfully broad

[drowsy plank]

hey btw did anyone test if lifeforce works if you have all four calamity health upgrades

since we know it only scales for every 100 health

[lucid marsh]

hey just a heads up uh

I found the cause of this bug:

https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/1473224844479823964

the toasty bat existing causes trail effects like the magic missile and rainbow rod to break until you reload the game

[oblique birch]

😭

incredible stuff

if true

[rancid lotus]

Who on earth is playing Calamity with a controller?

[dense locust]

you'd be surprised

[lucid marsh]

oh yeah also uh

several calamity ores are invisible in certain tile positions

[rancid lotus]

You sure it's just, not on screen? Just realized it's a blending issue.

[lucid marsh]

happens with base calamity

no

look closely

[craggy girder]

thanks burrower

[rancid lotus]

Do you have a texture blending mod?

[lucid marsh]

happens with hallowed ore too

no, I turned it off to check

[rancid lotus]

Does this count as a bug or a simple oversight?

[lucid marsh]

idk

[keen zodiac]

visual bug

[oblique birch]

Perennial is fucked up

[rancid lotus]

Which part?

[keen zodiac]

the existing part

[rancid lotus]

Does each Perforator Spawn drop hearts?

[lucid marsh]

Most, if not all calamity ores turn invisible when next to a block that tries to blend with them, such as dirt. This has been the case for a long time

I hope someone fixes all these bugs I've been finding

I'm posting about this stuff here because it's suggestion adjacent and it seems like the bug reports don't get addressed. Plus, the requirements to make proper reports are annoying

[gilded citrus]

Misread photosynthesis as photoviscerator 😭

[drowsy plank]

can you give this the appropriate reaction then?
#suggestions-voting message

wait u said feller not regrowth

w/e point stands that yall already have plans i swore someone said something about regrowth too but idk

[dreamy edge]

you're right, i meant post moon lord

[bronze hollow]

okay this acc immediately fixes everything i didnt like about endgame summoner

apart from lack of sentries

well not everything but helps a lot

[dreamy edge]

whoever decided that a certain worm enemy should spawn if you use the rod of discord in the sulfuric sea

not cool man

[gilded citrus]

Its in the abyss not sulphuric sea

[dreamy edge]

oh no it triggers no matter how far up you use it

[gilded citrus]

If thats happening thats a bug im pretty sure

[fleet grotto]

no

it's triggering because you have chaos state

[hazy nacelle]

it triggers from having the chaos state on you when you are in the abyss

[dreamy edge]

i was nowhere near the abyss yet

i used it right at the top of the sea and it insta killed me

[hazy nacelle]

abyss starts pretty high up

[fleet grotto]

i doubt it

[dreamy edge]

ok?

[fleet grotto]

abyss layer 1 still has many sulph sea elements

[plush flame]

^

abyss 1 still has the evil gauge and green water iirc

[fleet grotto]

it's the one with a diff music but still has sulph poison

[gilded citrus]

Yeah but abyss still shouldnt be right at top of the sea

[dreamy edge]

unless the abyss starts about 20 blocks under sea level then its bugged

[half imp]

Funny

[gilded citrus]

I think thats a abyss worldgen bug not a jared bug

[drowsy plank]

can you post a screenshot

[hazy nacelle]

"sea level" kinda doesn't mean anything

[dreamy edge]

sea level actually means a very specific thing

[hazy nacelle]

and what is that

[dreamy edge]

the level where the sea stops

[hazy nacelle]

okay but that does not change where abyss starts

[plush flame]

the level of the ocean is also wildly inconsistent

[gilded citrus]

Terraria world gen is not always the most consistent its possible you got unlucky snd sea spawned very low so abyss ate most of it idk

[plush flame]

ive seen worlds where its straight up a base jump before low grav

[drowsy plank]

can you post a screenshot

[plush flame]

also yeah a screenshot

[dreamy edge]

that makes sense

im on diablo 2 rn lol when i get on next ill take a ss

[drowsy plank]

aight

[hazy nacelle]

in my medium world abyss starts at 26' underground

[indigo yacht]

this suggestion is very difficult to read

the latter half is just completely random and unnecessary but the first half is a genuine issue I've noticed

or, phenomenon i suppose

it's not like I've had problems with it

[drowsy plank]

@limpid wagon conceptually fine but this is like 3 suggestions in one

[indigo yacht]

i did acid rain t2 yesterday and got like 150 corroded fossils and like 20 sulphuric scales or whatever they're called

[drowsy plank]

furthermore it would be better to remove the specific details of implementation and focus more on just making the older materials more accessible

[limpid wagon]

Yeah i was thinking i went a little overboard...

[drowsy plank]

honestly why cant corroded fossils just be shimmered down into sulphuric scales

[limpid wagon]

Good point.

[crude geode]

also adding “decrafting recipe” is weird when shimmer exists yeah

[indigo yacht]

just do like "higher tiers of acid rain give too almost no lower tier materials, add a shimmer recipe like how ores work"

[gilded citrus]

@spare bison scam

[spare bison]

ur stupid

[gilded citrus]

What why

[spare bison]

staff mail

dumb

stupid

[gilded citrus]

Fuc

[hollow shell]

Thank you 👍

[grave zinc]

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[dense locust]

just a few

[novel belfry]

this got through? huh

well

i guess i'll see what they think of

later

[indigo yacht]

oh what cool

ohhh wait it was the fishing one that stood zero chance

[craggy girder]

this is such a nitpick

all the other perma stat ups are just a lot more descriptive or threateningly vague, while this one reads like "hey man eat this and your gf's gonna say no to the wedding"

"they're gonna say FUCK you man." vs. "Your neurons would die." (could be phrased as "Your neurons would cease to function if you tried to consume another." but whateverrr)

[half imp]

lol

The strawberry does not consent

[craggy girder]

why didnt the auric dragons just do that

"In the name of the Light above us, I claim thi-"
"Nuh uh! I, the Auric Dragon of Stopping That Shit, say no!"

[sleek turret]

"Uhhh, you can't eat this no more, you're full" or something

[craggy girder]

hilariously, thats what it kinda said beforehand

"Your stomach cannot take any more."

[rancid lotus]

I think something closer to “Your soul would shatter if you consumed another.” makes more sense with the lore of Auric Souls.

[craggy girder]

this is comparing Comet Shard to current one

Comet Shard v. Sacred Strawberry

[vocal wedge]

This is what it should say.

[craggy girder]

“You would simply cease to be if you took another bite.”

[vocal wedge]

To be fair, by the time you obtain it you also have access to Auric Tesla, which does send you flying, so it's not all that unreasonable to conclude that it refers to that.
Also, we're forgetting that those who wouldn't understand it aren't even going to read the message due to illiteracy.

[obsidian nova]

Not gonna lie doomsday device could've really used a resprite in brainstorm but I understand that it's spriter hell so okay
(Also, I've just thought about this, but it's kinda weird to me that both Crawdads and Giant Shellies have an accessory but Salamanders don't )
(Plus we still don't have The Amalgam equivalent for the scarf )

Me when laser pointer

[mossy pelican]

Maybe in the future a boss should give a debuff similar to Icarus' Folly but with the ocean since the myth also contains a part about not straying too close to the waves

[vocal wedge]

How do you mean?

[mossy pelican]

like, the wing velocity is reduced when too close to the water on some boss, to represent how the wings would also get fucked up if Icarus flew too low

I just think it would be cool

[vocal wedge]

So, for Anahita?

[mossy pelican]

or old duke

[vocal wedge]

Anahita is the more water themed one.

[mossy pelican]

I dont have the whole idea put together so yk

[drowsy plank]

i think icarus's folly should die

i understand the idea behind it conceptually but i think it is just very badly implemented and it doesnt even make sense for ravager

[dense locust]

ravager is weak petrification

folly is prov

[drowsy plank]

oh

well it still makes no sense but i am ambivalent towards it on provi bc it changes like

literally nothing about her fight

[dense locust]

no it definitely does

[drowsy plank]

she has a built in border around herself anyway ur not flygodding that

[dense locust]

i kept encountering a bug when folly didnt trigger and it was very noticable when it didnt

[drowsy plank]

hm

[craggy girder]

i think when folly gets moved to phm it should have icarus's folly

but for like

double jumps AND wings

because thatd be Funny

[golden sonnet]

No, just wings. Fuck you use the optimal choice

You will use bob and you will like it

(but yes, it should probably effect bob too if it were to exist at that stage)

[craggy girder]

bohb is post dragonfolly but bob is pre and i think making all the jumps normal unbuffed jumps could be cool

[keen zodiac]

why would the prehardmode sky boss nerf your mobility

if anything it should buff it

[sleek turret]

follying insignia acc 🚎

[indigo yacht]

just please god whatever you do don't make it disable double jumps

[crude geode]

Nah make it disable double jump

[half imp]

make it disable jump

[mossy pelican]

That would be a really interesting boss

[keen zodiac]

guys aerial mobility sucks enough in prehardmode, you don't need to make it worse for the sky boss

[mossy pelican]

Theres a sky boss in prehm?

[keen zodiac]

future dragonfolly

the thing this discussion is about

[mossy pelican]

The year is 2030, no one says full words anymore, abbreviations have abbreviations. No one knows what anyone is saying

[keen zodiac]

whar

i didn't abbreviate anything

[mossy pelican]

Im talking about that convo in general

[crude geode]

?

[keen zodiac]

very wrong chat

[crude geode]

^

[rare glacier]

oops

fucking discord

[indigo yacht]

i love b. it is my favorite mobility accessory

[mystic sandal]

i prefer b'

although b'' is pretty great in its own right

[craggy girder]

for the challenge !
use little Swarmers around the arena to boost yourself vertically and use Birbs to slam into the boss

it'll be awesome

have a big ol nest arena spawn after killing evil1 on top of the space planetoid

[indigo yacht]

what the fuck are you talking about

[errant wren]

b'' obviously

[mossy pelican]

b” is so nerfed in the latest update bro, b’ is clearly better

[errant wren]

more hyped for the upcoming c, honestly

[mossy pelican]

Of course you’d be more hyped for the new content than the old b-series

[errant wren]

not my fault c looks cooler than b

might stick with b if it gets a visual overhaul

[indigo yacht]

🥀

[crude geode]

suggestion: add a post-scal mage weapon called the Scalibur.

[boreal lichen]

🔥 ❓

[crude geode]

@tender pelican this a specific item suggestion, which is against the rules. On top of that, your suggestion needs a second line with pretty substantial reasoning of why we should add a melee weapon post-scal, considering most of her drops are focused around mage and summoner.

[tender pelican]

mb

sounds cool

[crude geode]

read the docs in the pins if you wanna try and refine this suggestion, but I highly doubt scal would get a melee weapon added to her drops

[keen zodiac]

the sugg also has incorrect formatting

[novel belfry]

Scalibur sounds hilarious tho

[rancid lotus]

You should try to read the pins and description of every channel before using it.

[crude geode]

I mean yeah obviously

[novel belfry]

or yknow

ping me

[north oracle]

overdone will read the pins for you

[crude geode]

"hi I'm the suggestion critic and I read it so you don't have to"-overdone, probably

[grave zinc]

@lucid marsh - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make NPCs like and dislike calamity biomes]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[crude geode]

suggestion bot says all the rest of these suggs are bad

[mossy pelican]

I think it’s 125 or 130 reactions for it to get boosted

[crude geode]

nope

it's the top 20% and there were definitely more than 5 for that period

[mossy pelican]

Ohh

[crude geode]

.

to be fair, we used to run under that system, but stars vary wildly with how many people are voting or care

[north oracle]

why did that one get sent
that's from the same day as a batch of like 10 that went to dev a few days ago

[crude geode]

is sugg bot drunk

[north oracle]

apparently

[crude geode]

I thought it was already another batch despite the fact that yeah there was a delivery a few days ago

[mossy pelican]

Mods, give sugg bot a field sobriety test

[north oracle]

that one was sent in the last batch 😭

it just went again

[mossy pelican]

How is this any different than the one that just showed up?

Yeah thats weird

[errant wren]

suggbot just thought it was really good so it went back and sent it again

i guess

[crude geode]

sugg bot: PLEASEEEE add this please please please

[rancid lotus]

If Catastrophe is Suggestion Bot, what bot is Cataclysm?

[mossy pelican]

I wonder if that means it sent it to the dev server twice

[crude geode]

probably

[lucid marsh]

I swear I only made the suggestion once, must be bugged?

[indigo yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/half-life-snark-who-up-who-meme-gif-18406141753525215082

[mossy pelican]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1375321599103733810/1375324931717337160/1FRbfvz.gif

[plush flame]

channel bloat

devihms

also formatted wrong

[north oracle]

@mild anchor suggestions about the server itself should be sent to modmail, not posting

[plush flame]

and iirc server suggs go to staff mail

yeah

[obsidian nova]

Anyone else thinks that the gravel spirit from diamond of the deep could be changed?
Like, why does it just restore 8 hp in the support mode if the void spirit already restores 5% of the max hp? Wouldn't it make more sense for it to give some other unique bonus?

[dense locust]

I mean all the offensive ones are just different flavors of "do damage real good" so

[rancid lotus]

Chat, do we think of an item that mixes Draedon's Heart and The Sponge?

Reasons to do:

1. They both function in complementary ways, they both are defensively-based accessories with both changing or boosting adrenaline in a major or minor way respectively

2. They look kind of similar. (Weaker reason)

Reasons not to do:

1. Draedon's heart is an Exo-Mech drop meaning that this would pretty much have to be a Shadowspec item which I believe is donor/dev only.

2. There's not a proper need for this at this current point of time, however I could be wrong on this so if anybody believes that this is needed, go ahead.

I guess it could be non-Shadowspec but still take Ashes of Annihilation and Exo Prisms/Miracle Matter.

[plush flame]

no

[crude geode]

Absolutely not

[plush flame]

1: specific item suggestion
2: balance

[dense locust]

draedons heart + sponge sounds fucking demonic

[crude geode]

You could make it increase movement speed temporarily

[dense locust]

thats so ass though

[mild anchor]

thanks storming, I've sent it over

[crude geode]

I do think having it doing the same thing but worse is just. eh when the spirits are trying to be unique with everything. Tho you can say the same about crush depth vs hadopelagic

[dense locust]

I mean it makes sense to be the same thing but worse

given its the first one you get

[keen zodiac]

that would completely destroy game balance

[dense locust]

its endgame balance isnt real to begin with

but yes

[keen zodiac]

exo box already exists, you don't need to also be able to afk scal 😭

[dense locust]

dheart + sponge would not let you afk scal lol

[crude geode]

Exo box is truly one of the items of all time

[keen zodiac]

indubitably

[crude geode]

Nerf it to 2 mph movement and 1 mph when slowed

[rancid lotus]

I did say it would most likely be post-SCal, and it probably wouldn't be just the 2 stacked on top of each other, remember, the Absorber doesn't have the 10 defense of the Tortoise Shell (Nor the slowness) it has 6 defense.

[keen zodiac]

4 defense don't matter 😭 😭 😭

[dense locust]

ok but there was definitely a point in time where absorber had the same amount of defense as gts

it got nerfed down to 6 because it was broken

(or well, more accurately, it got nerfed down to 10 and then the defense flattening happened)

[dense locust]

thats a whole ass warding reforge fym

[obsidian nova]

Pretty sure it's getting moved post SCal?

[dense locust]

probably? who actually knows at this point

exo box could just poof out of existence for all we know

[crude geode]

I’d rather that honestly

[rancid lotus]

Why so?

[crude geode]

Exo box just completely removes the concept of wings or boots in favor of ‘the ultimate mobility item’ that doesn’t cost you anything. Even og soaring insignia at least took an accessory slot. Let alone the fact that there’s no reason to ever use another mount once you get it. It’s one of the many reasons why endgame calamity is memed on for not existing

[dense locust]

I will point out that not having much of a reason to use other mounts is comeptely valid when its the final mount in the game (tank is more of a novelty item and even then it has niches over box)

[icy hare]

Ive heard this so much but I cant find any proof of it

was told that it got moved this update and its still pre scal

[rancid lotus]

They could've made it cooler than Deltarune Soul.

[dense locust]

also "completely removes the concept of wings or boots" holy hyperbole

box is broken but it is not "there is no reason to ever even consider using wings ever again" levels lol

[crude geode]

True

[icy hare]

box is "broken" in the sense that it makes you move similar to a touhou game for a touhou style fight. besides that one fight most people will still use wings

Ive only seen box used for scal

even post fight like for other added bosses, building etc

[dense locust]

I kinda see box in a similar way I see shit like bobbit and featherfall

its obscenely overtuned mobility but theres just enough of an effort requirement that most players wont really bother to abuse it

[lucid marsh]

Deltarune soul can be cooler: add grazing and shrink the hitbox

[oblique birch]

Because the Gravel is the first thing you get

Void spirit is the last one and require you to not dash for a noticeable amount of time

Otherwise why would anybody wait for the Void and not just spam the Gravel every 2 seconds

It makes sense for low health Void be a stronger version of Gravel because offensive versions of them are like that too

More pierces, inflicts stronger water debuff

[drowsy plank]

@pliant portal that's not how you format suggestions and also this has no reasoning

[pliant portal]

sorry how do I fix it?

[drowsy plank]

it's in the rules document in the pins

but also i am pretty sure

the only enemy in the game left with RDR is enraged providence

[pliant portal]

ok

[drowsy plank]

so there is not going to be a toggle for that because it is an optional challenge and intentional

even empress got her's removed when she got reverted im pretty sure, but dont quote me on that

yeah no empress's RDR is dead

[tepid crown]

grav globe on post provi rav

[tawdry trout]

who tf ever used grav globe

genuenly

[mossy pelican]

So what I’m hearing is they need to move ravager to earlier

[drowsy plank]

new grav globe is viable

and also a double jump

[craggy girder]

they should make Bloody Mary the exact duration of a Blood Moon

[tawdry trout]

new...?

2.1 changes it or smth?

[drowsy plank]

yes

[misty lichen]

i completely forgot about that rework

[tepid crown]

its peak

[keen zodiac]

[half imp]

Bloody Mary is 6 due to that being all alcohol durations @glass arch

[keen zodiac]

make battle pot and zerg 6 minutes then

[half imp]

this would be lining it up with those, but it'd be un-lining it up with the main group it's unifying with

[keen zodiac]

yeah it was mostly a joke

[half imp]

I was meaning to the suggestion not to what you said

[craggy girder]

line it up with blood moons :)

[indigo yacht]

@drowsy plank best suggestion ever

im unbiased

[half imp]

I think

I just make it remove all wing flight

[indigo yacht]

calm down satan

[half imp]

And jumps too

You're glued to the ground

[drowsy plank]

you dont need to bring back fabsol's original idea it was bad

[craggy girder]

i feel like if you remove a significant part of someones mobility, you also gotta have a good reason for it

and current ravager does not have good reason for it

[mossy pelican]

Rocks

Flying is weak to rock

[craggy girder]

the holes in the sides

[indigo yacht]

can we just make weak petrification like... make double jumps weaker instead of just deleting them

halve their speed or something

[vocal wedge]

Ravager is obviously a Ground Type.

[craggy girder]

nitpick, again

ravager kept falling very far and i had to make a modification to my arena, so obviously its bad

[mossy pelican]

Ground/Rock like Graveller

[half imp]

I have been wanting to do this for a while

Just busy

[plush flame]

cryogen food

[craggy girder]

bit too wordy

[indigo yacht]

@buoyant rain your suggestion is too long

[buoyant rain]

okay ill fix it

[indigo yacht]

also like... i agree with it but would it hurt to be a bit more professional

[indigo yacht]

max length is 1000 characters in the body

[marble hazel]

man's just passionate abt alchemy LOL

[indigo yacht]

i always make potions normally because it is more fun

[marble hazel]

i used to until it became boring after the 5th pt

[indigo yacht]

my strategies are efficient enough that if i go fishing for a potion fish i only need to do it once

so i don't get bored of it

drink some potions, turn on a technoblade stream, fish for 8 minutes, then make like 80 potions

[buoyant rain]

okay i changed it hopefully its not too long

its gonna be trash i aint shakespear TOT

[indigo yacht]

it's short enough now but still flagged

I'm too tired to think of why

might be the mention of options to disable qol

[buoyant rain]

what?

[indigo yacht]

slightly too long again

19 characters over

[indigo yacht]

shrug

[buoyant rain]

okay yeah im changing that right now sorry guys

[buoyant rain]

you said it LOL?

[marble hazel]

im crine bro this bot

[indigo yacht]

im too tired to think of why

[indigo yacht]

suggestions bot would walk past and ignore a homeless veteran asking for spare change because it would have absolutely no change

[buoyant rain]

okay its 999 characters long TOT

also guys what does the exclamation warning thingy mean

[indigo yacht]

it means your suggestion is invalid

[buoyant rain]

WHAT WHY?!?!

how bro that makes no sense

whatever ill just try and mess with the recipes

i just didnt want to because its easier to just switch the config instead of updating the mod list

okay these people have to be trolling

[golden sonnet]

@drowsy plank @royal tapir could either of you explain why the suggestion is invalid, and how they could improve it?

[indigo yacht]

well usually the reason is in the suggestions document

they're a dev i don't think theyre trolling

[drowsy plank]

cit im not sure but imo this is just another config suggestion

[buoyant rain]

well yeah only because nobodys gonna want to remove the "QOL" change

so obv i want my suggestion to matter to yall so im not gonna ask for something crazy

[royal tapir]

mmmm I thought there was a don't about config suggestions

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure there were plans to change blood orbs at some point

[royal tapir]

Guess there isn't

[drowsy plank]

i think they got rid of it recently

fsr

[buoyant rain]

okay

[indigo yacht]

every dev I've ever spoken to hates them

[buoyant rain]

i didnt see anything abt it

[royal tapir]

Wow I can't believe you've met so many devs face-to-face

[rancid lotus]

I don't remember that.

[drowsy plank]

rover really likes removing donts so they can still immediately be rejected in dev voting

[golden sonnet]

Balance and testing in dev is moving heavily away from assuming potions. And with that I would personally love to see blood orbs gone. That being said I also fully expect the to be unreasonable backlash about it

[buoyant rain]

im so confused are you being passive aggressive i cant tell 😭

[indigo yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-void-black-cat-quantum-theory-gif-2906413655535832160

[royal tapir]

I was not speaking to you

[buoyant rain]

oooooh okay you are just being a dick