suggestions-discussion

[drowsy plank]

you can keep using ankh then i guess

[gilded citrus]

Devuff immunity isnt a qol its a stat that affects gameplay beyond minor inconvenience

Plus still where are these debuffs relevant when yiu can get valor/ankh like the immunities literally cant matter if they are not used

[smoky egret]

confusion, slowness, cursed, weakness, armor break, bleeding, and darkness are all prevalent in hardmode, and they dont stop existing post-moonlord

[drowsy plank]

confusion?

what the hell is inflicting confused post moon lord

[smoky egret]

inverts controls

[indigo yacht]

can I introduce you to laudanum

[drowsy plank]

what is inflicting it

[indigo yacht]

honestly

[smoky egret]

from a random giant bat you didnt notice

[indigo yacht]

incredible

[smoky egret]

okay that is actually fair

[drowsy plank]

oh my god not 5 seconds of confused from a giant bat post moon lord

truly this is an impossible to clear hurdle

[gilded citrus]

Is inverting your controls for a few seconds seriously enough to change an accessory 😭 just use a summon then if random enemy 36464 is that much an issue

[smoky egret]

it's enough of an annoyance for me

[drowsy plank]

ok cool man

[gilded citrus]

Then use a summon

[drowsy plank]

keep using ankh

[gilded citrus]

Yeah or use ankh

[drowsy plank]

that doesnt mean it needs to be put back into asguards

[indigo yacht]

if it was actually inflicted by a lot of enemies i would consider it honestly i hate confusion

[drowsy plank]

im more suprised they didnt bring up the actual problem debuffs

ankh shield was a fucking mistake

[smoky egret]

from elsi's suggestion i might try laudanum (especially since the on fire immunity was removed)

[drowsy plank]

because adding the debuffs ankh creates the immunities for was a fucking mistake

[smoky egret]

i brought up cursed

[drowsy plank]

silence, cursed, stoned... all of these stupid hard stuns shouldnt exist

[smoky egret]

i mentioned cursed

[eternal escarp]

well stoned is fine its only a single enemy

more of a gimmick than a debuff

[indigo yacht]

cursed is really annoying but it's fine because it's also very easy to avoid most of the time

[drowsy plank]

still bad just like frozen imo

cursed should not exist in its current form it is bad game design

[indigo yacht]

the instant a skull appears annihilate it

[smoky egret]

silence i forgot about cuz i dont use magic but that's also a nasty one

[eternal escarp]

cursed silence and frozen are annoying because theyre actually common

[drowsy plank]

the problem is not making ankh on your character 24/7 the problem is these debuffs need to be reworked

bc they're shit

[eternal escarp]

oh i defo agree with you i just wanted to erm akshually about stoned

[indigo yacht]

i am Turning you into a Shop Item

[drowsy plank]

the rest of the stuff ankh inflicts are fine and frankly i dont think there should be a way to become immune to them because if things could actually use these effects you might actually get interesting gameplay based around debuff design

[eternal escarp]

wellll i think confused is also fine in a vacuum its just that Feral Bite randomly inflicting it sucks ass
i like confused if its a consistant thing because then you can still play around it

[drowsy plank]

but instead red just made the no button and when he actually wants to use them for enemy/boss design he had to make stronger versions

[eternal escarp]

Feral Bite as a whole just sucks ass actually

[indigo yacht]

oh, i noticed they readded random debuffs in caves in 2.1

[drowsy plank]

feral bite is also stupid if you want your bats to inflict a debuff just make them inflict a debuff man

[eternal escarp]

yeah lol

[indigo yacht]

kinda cringe ngl

[smoky egret]

also removing fire immunity from literally every accessory in the game

[drowsy plank]

who cares about that

the ankh debuffs that just disable you from playing the game are the real issue, the rest of them are fine

[indigo yacht]

why did they have it to begin with

[smoky egret]

because of obsidian skull

[drowsy plank]

bc obsidian skull when obsidian

[quaint carbon]

Fire immunity as in the basic On Fire! debuff?

[smoky egret]

yes

[drowsy plank]

we probably shouldnt go around giving immunities to damaging debuffs ngl it just sets a bad precedent. i think the resistances on stuff like cshell are fine

actually idk if shell resist survived the update

[quaint carbon]

Eh, that’s fine imo. They removed a lot of DoT debuffs from Calamity bosses in Brainstorm which was one of my main problems with the mod, so making On Fire! prominent again seems like a fair trace.

[smoky egret]

they didnt

[drowsy plank]

lmao

shrug
i suppose cshell prolly didnt need a buff

[smoky egret]

it didnt really deserve a nerf either

[drowsy plank]

lmao yes it did

[crude geode]

Feral bite makes ME feral

5 seconds of confusion early game just to fuck with you

[drowsy plank]

cal debuff rework to make the bad debuffs good instead of bad when

[smoky egret]

the effects it gives arent enough for me to say it's worth giving up another accessory for it

[drowsy plank]

that's hilariously wrong

that shit used to compete with elemental gauntlet on statistics alone

[smoky egret]

laudanum

[drowsy plank]

not like that

[pallid quest]

Who thinked separating ankh shield from asgards valor was a good idea

[drowsy plank]

i mean well designed

which they are not

it is

[gilded citrus]

The devs
Asgards valor needs to not be so centralising

[crude geode]

It may be a generic stat stick
but it’s the basis of those with how absurdly strong it was

[drowsy plank]

if ankh needs to be worn 24/7 the problems are how the debuffs are designed, not removing ankh from the already strongest accessory in the game

[crude geode]

^

[smoky egret]

dashes are still centralizing, even if you take away all the debuff immunities

[drowsy plank]

that's because the bosses are still designed around them

once bosses start actually getting reworked that will be less of an issue

i love fabsolian boss design

[crude geode]

(Yharon, Duke Fishron, Is Dog Still Dash Centric?)

[smoky egret]

and i say that is to the benefit of the fights

[quaint carbon]

Wait a minute

[drowsy plank]

lmao no

[crude geode]

Absolutely not

[pallid quest]

And spider armor is better than hallowed or daedalus armor 🤦

[drowsy plank]

you should be able to use ninja belts

hallowed is vanilla idk why ur bringing that up

[gilded citrus]

No its not? Limits what bosses can do and what the player can use

[drowsy plank]

actually why are you bringing up spider armor at all lmao

[pallid quest]

spider armor is better than daedalus too, daedalus is literally more armor for less summons

[smoky egret]

what the bosses can and cant do isnt as important to me as how the fights flow, where dashes make them much more dance-like to me

[drowsy plank]

daedalus is going to get reworked bc it is a bad armor set

[sleek turret]

spider armor better than hallowed ?? what

[drowsy plank]

i mean in terms of damage yeah

bc hallowed is

more defensive

it has a dodge

thats kind of the point

[gilded citrus]

What a boss can or cant do affects the flow

[sleek turret]

https://tenor.com/view/i-guess-bro-i-guess-bro-bro-what-whatever-you-say-gif-16572066316579867256

[drowsy plank]

lol

[quaint carbon]

Does this include DoG’s Brainstorm rework? I haven’t done it yet but I surmised that part of the rework involved him actually engaging you more often.
Would that not make a ram dash more mandatory? Or was it designed in a way that you can dodge just fine without?

[pallid quest]

So you don't have any better armor for summoner until tiki ?

[smoky egret]

and having to dodge or dash through contact hits as it shoots at you is more fun for me than pure bullet hell

[sleek turret]

chlorophyte 1.4.5 headpiece

[drowsy plank]

talk to red about this man cal adds one summoner armor set in that leg and it's daedalus and frankly i am still questioning where you got "spider is better than daed" from

[gilded citrus]

If a ram dash is the best option to always use then a boss cant really do much contact without just failing to hurt people with ram and being unneededly extra hard for those who dont use a ram dash

[indigo yacht]

the set bonus makes it better than spider still

[crude geode]

^

[smoky egret]

you still need to time those dashes properly, and if you screw up you get chunked

[drowsy plank]

tbf i havent tried it so i couldnt say one way or the other, but also that DoG is still just an interim to hold people over so even if it is still dash centric, im sure the actual redesign will considering stuff like ninja gears. it was just that DoG was so miserable after fab butchered him SOMETHING had to be done

[smoky egret]

honestly it would be nice if ninja gear just gave I-frames on its dash

[indigo yacht]

also hallowed is literally one of the strongest armor sets in the game spider is not just straight up better
there are situations where it's better but usually hallowed floors it instantly

[gilded citrus]

Still hurts the competing dashes (bonks and whatever ninja belt does) unneededly

[indigo yacht]

bonks Should knock the bosses back too

[drowsy plank]

no, but i could see it working like the scarves at least where the dodge can be controlled by occurring only during the dash so it isn't just like a slapped on BoC

[indigo yacht]

thanks for coming to my ted talk

[smoky egret]

isnt bonk only shield of cthulhu?

[drowsy plank]

shield of high ruler or whatever

that's post-golem

[gilded citrus]

And shield of high ruler iirc might be missing some

[drowsy plank]

nah that's the only one unless you count mounts or something? i dunno what's going on with those

[indigo yacht]

those are the only 2 unless 2.1 added more which let's be real it didn't

[gilded citrus]

Wait mounts have bonks???

[drowsy plank]

i cant remember i know some of them have dashes

[gilded citrus]

Damn

[drowsy plank]

like the stupid 1.4.5 one

[pallid quest]

A pre plantera armor should be better than a pre mech armor in every way, it having the dodge doesn't make it that good

[smoky egret]

why would you ever use a mount other than fishron or broom for a boss?

[indigo yacht]

yes it does

yes it absolutely does

[sleek turret]

yea the palworld mount

I got it today actually

[crude geode]

Bc mounts cool

[pallid quest]

I could tolerate this but separating ankh from valor geniunely makes me mad

[drowsy plank]

me when the defensive set is defensive (hallowed) and the offensive set is offensive (daed) and both are better than spider

[smoky egret]

same

[drowsy plank]

why

[indigo yacht]

free dodge once every 30 seconds is busted on its own but you can also stack it with accessory dodges and it's just fucking insane

[gilded citrus]

Slime mount increases fallspeed and other gimmicks maybe people forsaking mobility accessorys for more stats then using mount to compensate

[quaint carbon]

There exist many more viable mounts

[smoky egret]

spider is at least available pre-mech

[indigo yacht]

if you can dodge even semi decent you will never take damage

[gilded citrus]

Fucking how

[sleek turret]

the only vanilla mount ram ever but one of the things on why it is strong is because it increases your damage by 10%

[indigo yacht]

arent there like 3 vanilla rams

[smoky egret]

portal gun does the same thing without sacrificing flight

[sleek turret]

and then the other ram is solar flare armor

[indigo yacht]

the desert one and golf cart or something

[indigo yacht]

basilisk

[drowsy plank]

fucking portal gun

lmao

[crude geode]

That’s also post ml and added by calamity lmao

[quaint carbon]

Uhhh… Solar Flare armor and Chillet are all that come to mind for me

[drowsy plank]

like that doesnt sacrifice you being able to actually output damage

[crude geode]

^

[pallid quest]

Like they could just add the resistance to debuffs and nerf the armor, not having the inconvenience was a game saver

[gilded citrus]

Im rarely in a situation where i need infinite flight for a boss and portal gun sacrifices attacking so still a compromise

[smoky egret]

portal gun is vanilla what are you on about?

[sleek turret]

Basilisk might just be the same mechanic for Icon of Sin mount and Unicorn

[crude geode]

My mistake

[drowsy plank]

lol

[sleek turret]

and also the Hexxed Branch

[crude geode]

Mispoke and whatnot

[indigo yacht]

nah it has a ram i know that for certain

above a certain speed

[smoky egret]

every single bullet hell section?

[indigo yacht]

idk the specifics of how it works

[indigo yacht]

the ever reliable platform

[sleek turret]

if its at a certain speed then its the same for unicorn mount, icon of sin mount and the hexxed branch mount

[gilded citrus]

Scal is piss easy for me and dog i did use (yet to face bs dog) but apart from that uh idk what other ones you may be on about

[indigo yacht]

i do not believe those have rams

[crude geode]

They do

[smoky egret]

is substantially worse since it slows your downwards movement and doesnt give precise enough vertical control

[drowsy plank]

they arent rams but u can dash through enemies if u move fast enough

[sleek turret]

If you have to double tap a direction it then its defintively a ram like asgard's (which is on solar flare and chillet)

[indigo yacht]

I'm tripping

[indigo yacht]

rail

and also

it's a fucking block

how is it supposed to give vertical control

honest question

[gilded citrus]

Vertical control is what i use wings for

[sleek turret]

The trick is that you can use SoC and then have enough speed at the same instant as you press the mount to have a "ram" but the way these mounts works is that they ram enemies when they reach max speed

[smoky egret]

it doesnt, and thats the problem, because that's really important for a lot of fights

[indigo yacht]

what does then

[pallid quest]

The separation of calamity accessories should be studied, it feels like every update every accessory becomes separated and you can't upgrade your accessories like we used to

Or i am going schizo

[smoky egret]

broom and fishron?

[indigo yacht]

because i am the d1 vertical precision person i know all the stuff that can do that

ok get outta here

./j

[crude geode]

The separation of calamity accessories is important for making sure players actually have to choose their accessories instead of getting spoonfed the best options (sponge, ram, wings, damage accessories)

[gilded citrus]

Why is this an issue oh no accessories are not as overly centralised as before
Even if it was true i think youre looking too deep into it

[smoky egret]

tbf im used to infernum and eternity-death where ultra-precise dodges are pretty common

(see: dog's laser grids)

[indigo yacht]

real ones spam myrindael

wait nobody will get that reference nvm

[quaint carbon]

Not being able to have a ram dash and debuff immunity is unfortunate on paper but Asgard’s Valor is now much easier to obtain.

Even in vanilla, there exist other shields besides Ankh Shield, with knockback immunity being the only common denominator. And then it’s up to you to decide which one you like more.

I use frozen shield in vanilla

[smoky egret]

well you still can, you just have to burn a slot on laudanum instead

[gilded citrus]

No not really

[quaint carbon]

You misunderstand me

[smoky egret]

i would normally agree if it werent for the fact calamity makes all the ankh components craftable

[gilded citrus]

Again
Summoner weapons can help with random enemy numero 374 that has a annoying debuff or you can just hold down a homing weapon while exploring so weak enemies dont even get close

[gilded citrus]

-# didnt they remove those

[pallid quest]

I think the new way makes progression less interesting, upgrading your accessories over the whole playthrough and adding new things was exciting. Things like sponge and crazy combined damage accessories was busted but a simple valor wasn't gamebreaking, valor was a major milestone, now it feels like you need to chose between a new accessory at the cost of inconvenience

[sleek turret]

WRONG! Calamity removed Ankh component recipes

[smoky egret]

have you considered that some people dont like having a random summon?

[quaint carbon]

Debuff immunity was never the appeal of shields. Anti-knockback was.
Even vanilla had choices for this, what you wanted the extra perk to be.

[gilded citrus]

Then thats your choice to not use the other option

[sleek turret]

The only changes are that these have an increased chance of dropping from their respective enemies

[smoky egret]

okay wtf devs

they also removed the sandy tackle bag so now cell phone is a pain again

[sleek turret]

just fish bro

[gilded citrus]

Calamity lets you buff spawnrates massively and with increased droprates its not an issue if you like explore the world

[quaint carbon]

Ankh Shield for knockback immunity? Frozen Shield for endurance? Hero Shield to take the aggro?

Choices like these exist in vanilla

And now they exist in Calamity

[sleek turret]

Calamity alredy reworked the fishing quest system to make Cell Phone and fishing tackle bag guaranteed drops

[smoky egret]

and how many quests are required for them?

[indigo yacht]

the drop rates are a lot higher to compensate so (in theory) it's pretty easy to get them normally by killing enemies

[smoky egret]

because each angler quest takes a minimum of 12 minutes without sundial or cosmolight

[indigo yacht]

bed

[quaint carbon]

Do them passively

[smoky egret]

i was factoring that into the 12 minutes (probably off a bit but the point stands)

[indigo yacht]

eh

bed is 5x speed

[smoky egret]

each day is 24 minutes

[quaint carbon]

I start doing fishing quests from the very beginning of my playthrough. I don’t have a phase of the game where I’m stuck doing nothing but fishing quests.

[gilded citrus]

Beds reduce it to like below 5 mins

[quaint carbon]

They’re always done alongside the rest of the game.

And that’s something that should be accounted for.

[sleek turret]

20

[quaint carbon]

Not to mention how many other great rewards you get from fishing in the process.

[smoky egret]

yeesh

[sleek turret]

Well 21 for the Lavaproof Fishing Hook

[smoky egret]

the only useful thing fishing gives for most of my playthroughs is buff potions, and i can just farm blood orbs instead

[pallid quest]

Yeah vanilla ends in like 10 hours unlike calamity, valor with the ankh shield isn't even that good, it was just prize of convenience, they could add more choices for other situations but choosing between valor or ankh isn't even a good comparison, ankh is just a little convenience

[gilded citrus]

How the fuck are you playing to end vanilla in 10 hours

[quaint carbon]

The devs already want to make fights revolve around ram dash less

[sleek turret]

Yeah idk from where are you pulling this information

Especially if its a non-journey mode playthrough

[smoky egret]

i have no reason to fish in vanilla outside of challenge runs, since even in master the buffs dont tend to matter outside of just making the fight quicker

[drowsy plank]

speedrun

[pallid quest]

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[gilded citrus]

Ok thats true

[smoky egret]

on regular master mode i really only need regen ironskin and food buff

[sleek turret]

Historical Rover Quote

[smoky egret]

(for vanilla)

[drowsy plank]

well calamity's default mode is rev and balances around having potions so more people will fish

[drowsy plank]

man we gotta kill borbs

[indigo yacht]

alluring bait my beloved

[smoky egret]

but then blood orbs exist

[sleek turret]

aren't blood orbs getting moved out of potion crafting or something

[gilded citrus]

Idk

[sleek turret]

in the vast, vast, Future.

[pallid quest]

Vanilla terraria is so repetitive and boring, going and building 30 npc houses isn't even that exciting

[drowsy plank]

yeah not for a while but

eventually

[pallid quest]

I don't want to judge anyone for liking vanilla terraria but it's boring af

[gilded citrus]

The npcs arent needed for gameplay so like idk just dont build that many

[crude geode]

(Disclaimer that not one dev represents the opinion of Cal)
but also lol

[sleek turret]

to think alluring bait will be goated in future 1.4.5 cal port because now if you want consistent t2 food buffs you have to fish

[drowsy plank]

i think blood orbs are a neat material and i think their potential is wasted just being a potion substitute

[pallid quest]

It's just an example

[sleek turret]

pumpkin pie got moved to t1 food items

[smoky egret]

i hate fishing, and love fighting, and that's my sole justification for most of the potion-related opinions i have

[pallid quest]

The game has so much to offer but there is actually so little exciting content

[drowsy plank]

well calamity is moving away from boss centric design so

[crude geode]

^

[drowsy plank]

lol

[gilded citrus]

Calamity does not want to be a boss rush

So it moving away from that

[smoky egret]

pho and pad thai are still a thing?

[gilded citrus]

Why wouldnt they

Why would they be removed

[sleek turret]

Yeah they are still a thing

[drowsy plank]

"so little exciting content" man i think you should just go try something like silksong if u dont wanna do building or other side content. this is a sandbox game. actual action platformers exist

[quaint carbon]

No wonder people were so disappointed in the removal of all the QoL stuff

[dense locust]

reminds me of the prisma incident
remember people, always carry a pocket mirror on you in hardcore

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[quaint carbon]

Do Calamity players just… not like Terraria??? lmao

[drowsy plank]

not to repost but...

note the timestamp

[crude geode]

Literally

[gilded citrus]

LOL 😭

[crude geode]

5 years we’ve been having this talk of “the game should be more centered towards this” when it already is and it’s bad

[smoky egret]

most metroidvanias dont have the same level of buildcrafting as terraria

[drowsy plank]

oh you meant

like builds as in items to use to fight things

i thought you meant actually building houses or stuff for a second

[smoky egret]

arena construction is fun too, but that's a separate thing

[crude geode]

Kinda just. wrong as well there’s plenty of options for how you approach fights in silksong and other similar games

[sleek turret]

to think some players go directly to calamity and never play vanilla... 😢

[quaint carbon]

All those responses on Cei’s reddit post make so much more sense now

[drowsy plank]

ok well then u arent blend if u actually like building in the sandbox game my point was more towards them

[smoky egret]

the only games i really know of with the same level of equipment building are monster hunter, souls, and rlcraft

[quaint carbon]

“Now we have to install other QoL mods that decrease performance!”
It’s not Calamity’s job to make the game easier for you. The content was always the primary appeal of Calamity.

[smoky egret]

optimizing your character and getting better at the fights are some of the biggest appeals of terraria to me

[drowsy plank]

well sometimes optimizing is gonna require u to fish

[quaint carbon]

If you wanna curate your experience to make the game more streamlined then that’s on you. But again, that’s not Calamity’s responsibility.

[drowsy plank]

shrimple as

[sleek turret]

It just happens that cal historically acted more as a do everything mod (rompatch modding theory) but glad this line of thinking is being phased out

[crude geode]

^

[pallid quest]

+1

[sleek turret]

Ender did mention this once about how tmod is a modding environment and etc etc

[drowsy plank]

tbf cal does still do a lot and i dont think that's a bad thing either if devs believe it is actually improving the experience

like how fishing quests got completely overhauled

[pallid quest]

I like fishing

[drowsy plank]

i wouldnt want that to be removed just because people think cal should move away from touching vanilla stuff
i just think there's gotta be a better middle ground between
"calamity does everything" and "calamity does nothing"

[drowsy plank]

i was responding to kasyu saying earlier they'd rather just use blood orbs

[sleek turret]

Calamity does vanilla changes when necessary

[crude geode]

(Hardmode ore rework)

[quaint carbon]

I have always been a Terraria player primarily. I like the extra challenge that Calamity has to offer. But that love comes from the game it’s based on.

[drowsy plank]

this is true but i think cal is scared of changing some things for fear of backlash or stepping too much on vanilla's toes despite the fact that it steps on vanilla's toes all the time and also people will create backlash for literally anything

including improving spritework or boss ai

[pallid quest]

The thing i don't like is advancing and being forced to chose between 2 different not that big things just for the sake of chosing between things. Valor and ankh wasn't even that bi

[smoky egret]

seems like occult skull crown is joining my list of "always use" accessories

[drowsy plank]

valor was the single best accessory in the game, removing the unnecessary immunities from it is the first step to making it at least on par with other accessories

[pallid quest]

Valor is still the same with a lot of inconvenience, i don't care about defence or stats, i just liked the functionality

[drowsy plank]

okay i cant believe im saying this but maybe ender had a point

ur not obligated to ankh shield

[dense locust]

valor was definitely not the single best accessory but eh

[drowsy plank]

labelling it as inconvience is insane

[smoky egret]

but i want to

[drowsy plank]

okay then use it in one of your accessory slots

[gilded citrus]

That convenience is still a factor that centralised it that other dashes didnt have
And yeah you are not obligated to the immunities otherwise why would they exist in the first place

[gilded citrus]

Then use ankh or laudanum or whatev

[sleek turret]

You have free will

[gilded citrus]

If you want to use the effect enough to lose a accessory slot then use that

[smoky egret]

im probably using laud for future runs

[gilded citrus]

👍

Thats fine

[drowsy plank]

i mean what would you have labelled as the best then? the dash was basically obligatory, and it was one of like two sources of kb immunity last update, and before that it was the only one because calamity only started spreading kb immunity around in direct response to people pointing out valor line was the only source of it, and it just gave a shit ton of debuff immunities, esp asguradian aegis ALSO giving godslayer flame immunity for DoG rematches which was kind of goofy

[smoky egret]

and to note, this still doesnt make asgard's valor any less opressive, because contact damage immunity with a dash is just that important to the game, at least with my playstyle

[drowsy plank]

yeah that needs to be addressed via boss design

[crude geode]

^

[smoky egret]

calamity added a dash button for a reason

[smoky egret]

i for one actually like it

[drowsy plank]

i think valor has recieved enough nerfs that ninja belt can at least compete now especially with its new buffs

[gilded citrus]

Yeah calamity plans on making it less oppressive later this is just a step in that direction

[drowsy plank]

cool it's bad

[sleek turret]

The thing with Ankh Shield is just the convienence it offers especially in Vanilla because at the stage you'd obtain you have debuffs coming from everywhere (and in pre-hm you still had these but not as aggresive enough to justify having Ankh in pre-hm)

[gilded citrus]

Cool
Still not great

[pallid quest]

Back in my days you combined everything and only used the same 5 accessories with only difference between classes was the emblem and it was beautiful

[drowsy plank]

it was not beautiful i was there it was ass

[crude geode]

wtf

[drowsy plank]

half of the effects did nothing

[gilded citrus]

Yeah and that sounds boring as shit

[pallid quest]

I know don't ruin my nostalgia 😭

[crude geode]

Can’t believe people are reminiscing about sponge in the big 2026

[drowsy plank]

it was just verbal diarreha on the screen and people who actually knew how to build picked out the most important effects from the noise

i will ruin all nostalgia

[pallid quest]

Tbh i hated the sponge

[drowsy plank]

do not like old things just because there are old and hate good things just becase they are new

[dense locust]

ignoring the blatent outliers of "with minor effort you completely remove all skill from the equation" like aquatic emblem or toxic heart, I would probably say it was either gladiators locket or maybe amalbrain

[sleek turret]

pre-hm debuffs ever are like poison, cursed, on fire and bleeding (dungeon spikes)

[pallid quest]

The current design is good but i still think removing ankh from valor is excessive

[smoky egret]

poison and on fire on their own are still pretty dangerous

[gilded citrus]

Not really

[drowsy plank]

ok amal brain is a fair one, it was definitely in close contention

and i guess i overlooked locket a lot but it was certainly kind of wild all things considered

[smoky egret]

underground jungle and dart traps

[gilded citrus]

Why does the ram dash accessory have this random effect killing a bunch of debuffs

[crude geode]

We’re really worried about dart traps in hardmode.

[gilded citrus]

Oh no dart traps the prehardmode debuff is gonna do stuff to me post plantera

[sleek turret]

yea like if they were Venom Traps (scary!)

[smoky egret]

it makes early game hell enough to where i never want to deal with poison again once im able to

[drowsy plank]

excessive how

[pallid quest]

They were brothers

[sleek turret]

😭

[drowsy plank]

that's not an actual reason

i know you have one

[gilded citrus]

Thats a you thing and i dont find it the same
And thats not dangerous thats just annoyance

[drowsy plank]

unless it really is just that feeling of obligation to have it mentioned earlier

[dense locust]

I mean is it really that wild though
preboss accessory that is viable on old duke sounds pretty good to me
anyway more to the point valor wasnt by any means obligatory, default or mng were more than sufficient for just about nearly every boss in the game, it only had a few tiers before getting completely outclassed/upgraded, and even on tier it had active competition from deep diver for the ram slot

[drowsy plank]

i didnt realize it was viable on old duke, i just remembered the healing and the weird scaling damage effect

oh right i fuckin forgot deep diver existed

[crude geode]

Deep diver is truly one of the bandaid fixes ever

[drowsy plank]

to be fair i think i still just look at all rams as part of the same archetype but i suppose DD didnt have the ankh effect

[dense locust]

think about how many sharkrons and urchins he shits out
now imagine healing an extra 10 health for every one you kill

[drowsy plank]

ok yeah that's kind of stupid

[crude geode]

That’s wild

[drowsy plank]

you see the other issue was the number of bosses that have 0 minions so i never really thought about it

[quaint carbon]

I got up until DoG before I realized that ram dashes were even a thing. That included killing Old Duke.

[drowsy plank]

insane

[crude geode]

crazy

[quaint carbon]

Can’t tell you how I did it

[drowsy plank]

to be fair DoG and Yharon were definitely the worst offenders of obligatory ramdash

[crude geode]

^

[quaint carbon]

They definitely are

[dense locust]

it also helps that even if the boss didnt have minions lockets raw stats were so insanely good for how early it was that it just completely outscaled most accessories prior to like, post skeletron

[drowsy plank]

yeah like i said 20% damage even if it was conditional is kind of stupid in fucking prehm

[dense locust]

even if you only average like 10 thats still roughly on par with bloody worm tooth and thats before factoring in the healing orbs

[smoky egret]

yharon still deserves his resprite

[gilded citrus]

Yeah no one disagrees with that???

[smoky egret]

it still bugs me that he's the only boss to never have gotten a resprite

[pallid quest]

Can we still play the old tmodloader 1.3 version of calamity ?

[gilded citrus]

Yeah thats cause he is hell to play

[gilded citrus]

You can get every version if calamity on the github

[pallid quest]

👍

[drowsy plank]

he has, it's just that most of them are old or worse than the current one

the current is just the latest resprite and it is very old

the new yharon will take a while bc oh my god animating FEATHERED WINGS SUCKS

and u dont get the luxury of being able to make them small and let the brain fill in most of the space like on player wings

[gilded citrus]

Highly detailed anatomically accurate things are hard to animate shocker

[crude geode]

Animate the same three colors NOW

[drowsy plank]

i mean yes obviously but wings specifically SUCK

there's so much fucking repeition drawing all the individual feathers and if u really want them to be good u have to consider the actual physics of how they would move with the wing in relation to air and stuff and IT IS BAD

[gilded citrus]

Hell torture

[crude geode]

Sentenced to 20 years in the animating Yharon jail

[drowsy plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465195069406707722/1392668647440519238/spriter_hell.gif

[crude geode]

It didn’t load for like twenty seconds but I instinctively knew what gif it was

[dense frost]

Futurama peak

[glass arch]

specifically one

[polar bison]

I desire sea prism walls they look so pretty

[glass arch]

and even that wasnt a full resprite it was more a reshade

[severe sparrow]

i think those items are in the game for SSO

[frail fox]

Next hotfix should be making them all obtainable I believe

[obsidian nova]

Ngl I think the only item recipes that should stay are
Anklet of the Wind
Fishing Bobber (just got added)
Flame Waker Boots
Fledgling Wings
Flying Carpet (maybe)
Frog Leg (for the funny )
Ice Skates (maybe)
Lava Charm
And Obsidian Rose

[half imp]

bobber one will die when scavs exist

they'll just trade bobber directly

[dense locust]

If any Ivy chest item deserves one it’s flower boots not anklet

[glass arch]

i got fucking 4 of them off planetoids earlier

[dense locust]

Which

[indigo yacht]

there are 3 different colors

blue green and purple

[glass arch]

flower boots

[half cipher]

@chieflogan

[dense locust]

hmmm

wiki doesnt seem to think flower boots dont generate in planetoids at all
wonder how long ago that changed

[glass arch]

well its because the jungle planetoids have ivy chests in them

[severe sparrow]

i can't wait for those little goobers

[timber hornet]

yes, i 100% agree

forcing players to do fishing and RNG rolls if they want an item and don't get lucky isn't making the game better

especially since fishing got kinda uber nerfed vis a vis the removal of the angling bags from Desert Scourge's loot pool

and the removal of the Angler's Golden Fishing Rod drop

[drowsy plank]

fishing is fine considering angler quests are actually reasonable after the buffs

fishing is just considered bad now because you actually have to interact with fishing systems instead of getting to kill things to get fishing loot

[timber hornet]

fishing has been a boring system from the beginning

if you didn't want to kill things for fishing loot you could simply not interact with the fishing loot drops

[drowsy plank]

we just got all the new reworked hooks and rods by doze as well

[tepid crown]

i think we should make angler quests only once a week because itd be funny

[drowsy plank]

angler quest cooldown should honestly be removed ngl

i dont even get what the point of it is atp

[tepid crown]

fargo removes it !!!

[drowsy plank]

good

be more like fargos it's an actually good mod

[timber hornet]

doesn't Fargo's make event summons non-consumable?

[tepid crown]

no it has an npc to sell you them

[drowsy plank]

yeah

also cal plans to do a similar thing to fargos for its boss summons where you get refunded one until you kill it for the first time

anyway

cant believe im genuinely bringing out the old suggestions draft doc in 2026 because the bot is down lmao

Similarly to how Magma Stone and Lava Charm can transmute between each other, Flower Boots and Water Walking Boots could as well. Both are somewhat important items that are boot themed, and currently have obtainability issues due to being part of significant crafting trees. 

Mostly Water Walking in the Treads line. The current recipe is boring and easy, but the vanilla method is just annoying, requiring fishing for Ocean Crates, which have one of the worst loot pools in the game (Flipper is… fine, I guess?). Jungle meanwhile, has an amazing loot table. Considering Flower Boots do not go into a long crafting line like Treads, being able to turn them into Water Walking Boots would be a much easier way to get them, as well as allowing people to gather other useful loot in one of the largest biomes, rather than pigeonholing them into one of the least support biomes in the game, because reworking the Ocean is just not within Calamity’s purview, nor its responsibility.```

YES

good

[timber hornet]

so wait, after you kill a boss for the first time you have to craft the summon every time you want to kill it?

[drowsy plank]

yeah so money actually means something instead of just getting to summon infinite brain of cthulhus for 1 billion platinum

[timber hornet]

can i be direct?

[drowsy plank]

you're gonna say it's bad

shocking

[timber hornet]

yes, i think that's fucking stupid

[indigo yacht]

the implications for trying to get uncommon drops are dire but otherwise it doesn't really matter

[drowsy plank]

look you can either have an economy that matters or have infinite boss summons and honestly after playing vanilla, while i dont love how high some of the prices are, i do think money should have SOME value

a lot of super uncommon drops have died anyway

[indigo yacht]

that's true

[timber hornet]

who cares about Terraria's economy?

[drowsy plank]

like stellar turn on empress going from a 2% drop to being one of the guarnteed bags

[timber hornet]

like genuinely who cares

and if you're the person that cares i have to ask why

[drowsy plank]

you can use as many QoL mods as you want to give yourself infinite money

cause i dont like town NPCs just being extended chests

[timber hornet]

the problem is i don't want to do that

[tepid crown]

you see the game has a built in qol mod called journey mode

[drowsy plank]

awesome well ur gonna have to decide which one you want more

TRUE

[timber hornet]

plenty of people don't want to do that

[sleek turret]

TRUE

[timber hornet]

can i be direct with you?

[drowsy plank]

dont insult people

guys i can read minds

crazy

[sleek turret]

are you the oracle

[tepid crown]

yea go on try to make up some kind of arguement

you cant deny the fact that journey mode literally has everything you need and then some

[dense ferry]

Then install a Mod or play Journey Mode

[timber hornet]

i think what you said was irrelevant and misses the entire point

[tepid crown]

it doesnt

[indigo yacht]

when it says "at least one of the following" does that mean theoretically they could all drop at once but only one is guaranteed

[tepid crown]

you can get infinite money and summons with journey mode

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[sleek turret]

at least one of the following is that yea

[tepid crown]

i said it with full confidence of what it can provide

[indigo yacht]

oh ok then provided the other relatively rare drops get treated similarly then thats fine

[timber hornet]

that's like someone having trouble with something in Survival Mode in Minecraft, and then you saying that Minecraft has a built-in QoL mod called Creative Mode

like no, i don't want to play Creative Mode, i want to play Survival Mode

[dense ferry]

You're wrong by comparing Journey to Creative

[tepid crown]

journey mode isnt creative mode

[dense ferry]

And again, ok

[drowsy plank]

creative and journey are so different it's crazy

[indigo yacht]

have you played journey mode

[dense ferry]

Then install another Mod

[sleek turret]

it happened to me in my vanilla playthrough with queen slime where first bag dropped me 2 pieces of the crystal armor and the hook and then the 3rd dropped me everything

lucky...

[tepid crown]

god mode on journey isnt even on by default it is NOT a creative mode at all

[timber hornet]

why do you want the solution to enjoying your mod to be "just install more mods" instead of keeping the features people liked to begin with?

[tepid crown]

its a qol mode

[dense ferry]

There is literally a mod on the workshop RIGHT NOW that brings back the QoL we removed this update exactly for people like you

[north oracle]

The solution to a small subset of people demanding something is not to immediately cave and do it lol

[indigo yacht]

the idea is good game design

[dense ferry]

Because Calamity wants to provide an experience which these features run counter to

[drowsy plank]

https://klipy.com/gifs/fire-writing-2

[timber hornet]

what is that experience?

[timber hornet]

it's not a small subset of people, it's a pretty large subset of people but this place is an echo chamber

[lavish condor]

The mod's a big content mod with people who like the qol and people who don't like the qol. Rather than making everyone use the qol through untoggleable changes that come with the content, it's easier to just let the ones who like the qol get the other mods themselves

[dense ferry]

One that is closer to Vanilla and does not trample upon its systems and mechanical balance

[drowsy plank]

i already told u man money needs to actually matter; town NPCs shouldn't be infinite chests you can access by using ur infinite boss summons to generate 1 billion plat in 10 seconds by nuking BoC 18 times with ur post-ML planet buster

[timber hornet]

the simple solution is to not interact with the QoL changes such as the vanilla item crafting recipes

[dense ferry]

Ok

And the simple solution to your issue is downloading a mod

[indigo yacht]

"this thing sucks" "just ignore it lol"

[lavish condor]

you say that right after saying journey mode sucks??

[sleek turret]

ignoring the issue does not solve the issue

[timber hornet]

which it shouldn't be

[drowsy plank]

why not

[north oracle]

We aren't going to leave the mod as a boss rush because people demand it to be

[drowsy plank]

why does calamity NEED to have this qol in it

[timber hornet]

please point me to where i said the words "Journey Mode sucks"

[dense ferry]

I will ask you this, then

[north oracle]

Someone post the terraria players hate playing the game image iirc

[dense ferry]

What makes your experience more meaningful than other's, that they should be the one to go through hoops and leaps to enjoy Calamity?

[timber hornet]

ignoring crafting recipes is "hoops and leaps" to you?

[lavish condor]

sorry, you more implied it by saying journey mode is equivalent to creative mode. I interpreted that as you meaning it was overpowered and made things too easy with the toggleable mechanics, I suppose you didn't?

[dense ferry]

Yes

It

Very much is

[north oracle]

Thanks tsuki

[indigo yacht]

they should add more frog leg variants highkey

[tepid crown]

youre welcome fluffy

[north oracle]

God thats nearly 5 years old

[timber hornet]

that doesn't make sense, it's as simple as seeing a recipe in the crafting menu and scrolling right over it

[dense ferry]

Ignoring core mechanics of the game because you don't enjoy them is going through hoops and leaps

[tepid crown]

frog leg + magi

[indigo yacht]

you understand the vision

[dense ferry]

Adding these mechanics is, too, but one much less intrusive and customizable

This is just Minecraft

You don't like something in the game? Well, then install a Mod that fixes it

[north oracle]

Frog leg + unstable granite core

[dense ferry]

That's the beauty of this

[timber hornet]

i enjoy Terraria, otherwise i wouldn't have nearly 1k hours in it. but it's undeniable that there are parts of the game that are tedious and unfun

[north oracle]

You flurry kick the enemies that you're close to

[indigo yacht]

🔥 ✍️

[timber hornet]

Calamity is that mod. at least, it was

[dense ferry]

And why should Calamity be the only Mod?

[north oracle]

Yes, cal used to want people to do nothing except run from one boss to the next

It doesnt anymore

[lavish condor]

Out of curiosity, what is wrong with journey mode that makes it akin to creative mode? If you don't like a part of it you can turn it off. afaik you can make it equivalent to non-journey in every way by not using any of the powers

[timber hornet]

i never got that experience at all from Cal

[indigo yacht]

wait sorry I'm curious what do you mean calamity is that mod is it supposed to like fix everything you dislike about the game or did you mean it in a more general sense for other people too

[timber hornet]

i think that claim is MASSIVELY overblown and overused

[indigo yacht]

ur talking to a dev babes

i think they probably have a good idea

[quaint carbon]

You and me both

But a lot of hardcore fans of the mod just wanna blitz through everything

They've lost sight of Terraria

[timber hornet]

Calamity was the mod that introduced content and QoL changes that made the game more fun to play since i wasn't relying on RNG systems and farming everything to get the items i need

and not just for me but for scores of other people as well

like i said, this place is an echo chamber

[indigo yacht]

ah so you just meant for the grindy parts

[earnest raptor]

I rejoined this server just to say that it should have been a toggle in base mod

[boreal lichen]

10 million configs

[indigo yacht]

calamity doesn't want to make the game grindier it just wants to make those items fun/interesting to obtain and crafting it pretty boring

like exploring for stuff is fun

[timber hornet]

it could quite literally be one config option. "Enable QoL Changes" or something. why would it have to split into a bunch of different config options?

[indigo yacht]

we all know people would ask for it to be

[lavish condor]

that sounds unwieldy given most people probably like some but not others

[indigo yacht]

people complain about stuff like that all the time already

[quaint carbon]

I can understand wanting it to be a config

[lavish condor]

it would also take like a really long mouse-over description to describe what it does in sufficient detail

[gilded citrus]

Why should calamity try to be a everything mod with expansive qol and ither stuff

[indigo yacht]

most of the cal qol is never explained to the player ingame already though

[timber hornet]

farming/fishing/relying on RNG isn't fun or interesting. it adds nothing to the experience except needless tedium. with the vanilla recipes you still had to go out and experience the game to get the materials you needed to craft the items

[indigo yacht]

half of it wasn't even on the wiki for a while

[dense ferry]

Separating it into a Mod or a toggle are functionally identical

[indigo yacht]

i think you're misunderstanding

[dense ferry]

It's an opt in/out button

[earnest raptor]

as you could see with backlash, it is spiritually not

[dense ferry]

It's just in a different place

[indigo yacht]

anyways i dont care one person shouldn't be enough to make this entire channel a warzone

[quaint carbon]

Having it be a mod does impact performance

[timber hornet]

it really isn't and i do not understand the angle the dev team is taking in defending it so hard

[drowsy plank]

fluffy im sorry i know ur doing a bit but this sounds sick as fuck

[dense ferry]

I mean, being honest, I don't really care about "spirituality"

[indigo yacht]

PLEASE ADD THE FROG LEG VARIANTS /ns

[lavish condor]

If the config menu had a section for random qol stuff that could be toggled, would there be a downside? Something like too large config file or something?

[dense ferry]

Because we don't want the Mod to be like that bro

😭

That's literally it

[timber hornet]

and i do not understand why

[indigo yacht]

it would be hard for people to parse their way through the rest of the config

[drowsy plank]

config is so fucking bloating already it's hard enough for people to realize cal has photosensitivity modes

[earnest raptor]

the config has a toggles for every single piece of HUD

[timber hornet]

"these features make the game easier. remove them"

[drowsy plank]

we do not need to add every single vanilla crafting recipe

[indigo yacht]

cal players are well established as being illiterate

[drowsy plank]

maybe the game should have some difficulty

[lavish condor]

got it

[indigo yacht]

i feel like there has to be a better way of doing this

i wonder

[timber hornet]

it... did????????????????????????????????

[earnest raptor]

Idk if a category just for QoL is that offputting

[timber hornet]

it literally did

you're acting like the vanilla item recipes put the game on little bitch baby mode

[drowsy plank]

we already have a category for qol and it's so long already

[half imp]

The removed QoL was removed because it infringed on intended gameplay of the mod. We're not adding a config to bypass intended gameplay except if needed for mod compatibitly.

[earnest raptor]

unless there is no way in tML to make new config files

[quaint carbon]

Cog, #general-talk when you have a moment

[gilded citrus]

Ngl it sorta does in my experience cause it means i always have the optimal shit i want instead of dealing with what i had the patience to get

[timber hornet]

apologies in advance but so many of the responses from the dev team on this come across as "we recognize that people loved these features. however, we do not care in the slightest"

[dense ferry]

We don't want the Mod to have so much absurd QoL that tramples upon the mechanical balance of Terraria and makes so much shit wildly unbalanced. So much of Calamity diluted and destroyed Vanilla mechanics and made them utterly meaningless. You didn't have to interact with half the mod, everything besides Bosses was beyond easy.

Fundamentally, Calamity had removed everything that wasn't the Bosses. Nothing mattered. Enemies didn't matter, building didn't matter, setting up anything didn't matter. Nothing mattered.

[timber hornet]

i love Calamity which is why i'm pissed off about it

[gilded citrus]

I love calamity so im glad its no longer exploding half of vanilla

[north oracle]

Even my shitposts go hard

[half imp]

it also effects the average player of the mod significantly more than the active community - players like that will entirely miss the intended gameplay because the QoL was both easier and more accessible

[indigo yacht]

goated

[half imp]

they don't know what's broken or may take away from the experience because it's their first time

[earnest raptor]

so separate mod is deliberately annoying to discourage average players?

[timber hornet]

adding recipes for vanilla items was "absurd QoL"? that was "destroying Vanilla mechanics" and forcing the player not to "interact with half the mod"? that was making everything that wasn't a boss fight "beyond easy"? that was removing "everything that wasn't the bosses"?

[indigo yacht]

i like vanilla so i think calamity moving closer to it is good

not all of vanilla

but most of it

[timber hornet]

that is an INCREDIBLY out of touch statement

[half imp]

how does the game being paced more like vanilla discourge avereage players

[dense ferry]

The Calamity gameplay loop was, and still is

Go to Biome > Pop Zerg > Spend 15 minutes getting functionally infinite materials > Craft everything > Fight Boss

[half imp]

like... if vanilla pacing discourged players, terraria would not be the 7th best selling game of all time, and best rated game on steam

[timber hornet]

i've got multiple playthroughs upwards of 90 hours each. i can firmly say that everything about this statement is untrue

[craggy girder]

wheres that one meme

[north oracle]

I have over 2k hours in the game and think you're entirely wrong.
Stop flexing time spent playing to give your argument weight please

[craggy girder]

of the turtle

[tepid crown]

can i post the image again

[half imp]

vanilla pacing is different yes, but it's not inherently worse nor better than older calamity pacing

[north oracle]

Yes

[timber hornet]

tell me how

[craggy girder]

"calamity players when they dont have to just fight a boss (they could play touhou)"

[dense ferry]

I also have 2k hours in Terraria bro and I think you're wrong lol

[craggy girder]

whats maple's argument

[indigo yacht]

i have 1.5k hours and i also dont agree and im not a dev

[timber hornet]

tell me how removing tedium fucks the game so hard that it becomes purely a bossrush

[half imp]

however, following the vanilla pacing gives us better opportunity to expand on all the aspects of gameplay we want to

[craggy girder]

TRUTH NUKE !!!!!!!!!!!!

[gilded citrus]

I also have 2K hours on terraria and think youre wrong with calamity as prob the most played mod

[craggy girder]

calamity is not a boss mod

it also has

[tepid crown]

i have 1.7k hours in terraria and i think this is fine actually

[craggy girder]

shocker: other content

[dense ferry]

I'm just going to leave this argument because clearly no one is going to convince anyone here

[tepid crown]

wat if i pinged cit and asked him to post his hours

[craggy girder]

if they streamline the game down to a barebone and let you zergrush the bosses, you dont get to interact with all the Cool Shit

[drowsy plank]

the rover image is getting so much use today

[half imp]

example: removing Anh from Valor allowed me to design Cultist for 2.1 how I wanted via using debuffs Ankh blocked

[timber hornet]

from my perspective the dev team does not care

[dense ferry]

You have your mod to bring back everything. Just get the damn frosting to your cake from the store, it's not that hard

[tepid crown]

okay but...

what if i posted it a third time?

[drowsy plank]

holy true

wait i have a genius idea

[half imp]

because Valor was almost always used, prior to that change I fundamentally could not design Cultist the way I wanted

[craggy girder]

BREAKING NEWS: Players who want QoL can have and always been allowed to download... QoL Mods!!!

[indigo yacht]

i think i posted it in nohitcord too earlier

[craggy girder]

wanna craft your shit? get a mod for it

its Your game. You can play the game As You Want

[timber hornet]

this is the most redditor response that is constantly given

"just download more QoL bro"

[earnest raptor]

that's not the point

if calamity really wanted to emphasize change, then qol restored mod shouldn't have existed

but it existing and being made by devs makes the change meaningless, arbitrary and targeted

[craggy girder]

you sound like a redditor

[half imp]

this applies to many other QoLs - Cosmolight retiered because it broke time-based systems

[craggy girder]

doze correct me if im wrong but BS was tryna move away from having a lot of QoL baked into it right

[timber hornet]

says the guy saying "just download more QoL bro "

[half imp]

correct

[north oracle]

I mean you want more QoL

[craggy girder]

you're fun to have around i'm sure

[timber hornet]

oh yeah, got plenty of friends

[half imp]

ultimately though - if the removed QoL ends up worse for Calamity in the long run, we'll restore it

[craggy girder]

wants QoL
gets mad when Calamity removes QoL
"okay so theres these mods for QoL"
"erm redditor much"

[half imp]

we want calamity to be the best it can be, but we also believe Calamity is better off without those changes for various reasons

[craggy girder]

like it is your singleplayer/close multiplayer videogame.

you are the terrarian. it is your game.

[glass arch]

why are we defaulting to ad hominem arguments

[frail fox]

Everything is Reddit unfortunately

[glass arch]

i thought we were better than this

[indigo yacht]

add reddit to calamity

[timber hornet]

gets mad when Calamity removes QoL
"erm, just download more QoL bro "

[craggy girder]

its a lot easier to insult a person than a concept

[drowsy plank]

chat how do we feel about this being a server sticker

[half imp]

it's far, far too soon to say that the removed QoL was bad for the game's health

[gilded citrus]

Yeah whats the issue

[frail fox]

Something something Hive Mind boss

[tepid crown]

FIRE

FIRE

AMAZING

DO IT

[gilded citrus]

🔥

[indigo yacht]

yeah

[north oracle]

Extremely good idea cog thank you

[craggy girder]

True

[boreal lichen]

based?

[vagrant spindle]

i just got here but i agree

maybe remove the "suggesting" part

it applies to everyone at this point

[timber hornet]

that the features didn't need to be removed in the first place, that the solution to enjoying a mod shouldn't be to download more mods. if i wanted a QoL mod playthrough i'd do a QoL mod playthrough

[north oracle]

Its a 5 year old message we can't just not have a word in it

[vagrant spindle]

the magical power of image editing

[indigo yacht]

tue

[vagrant spindle]

[craggy girder]

you walked into the tea house, sat down, looked at the menu, and got mad when they didnt serve buffalo wings

[glass arch]

Be better. You know better. You are at fault here too.

[gilded citrus]

Not everyone enjoys the qol given you are not the baseline and seems not to be the target audience

[quaint carbon]

I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding on the "just download qol" argument

[craggy girder]

you had the option to bring buffalo wings in if you wanted them

[craggy girder]

i know

[lavish condor]

And I think this is where you simply disagree with the devs on a subjective issue with multiple right answers, unfortunately

[craggy girder]

thats why i said that

[gilded citrus]

Different design philosophy does not mean worse

[timber hornet]

no, i walked into a restaurant, enjoyed going to that restaurant very much for multiple years, then got mad when they removed an item i liked very much from the menu

[earnest raptor]

like what is the point of new philosophy, if old philosophy is still there and is first-party addon

if you don't want to truly commit, then make it as frictionless as possible

aka base cal config section

[craggy girder]

are there not other restaurants in the nearby area

plenty of them serve the food you want

[indigo yacht]

guys can we stop with the restaurant metaphors

[half imp]

the addon is not official

[indigo yacht]

im getting hungry

[timber hornet]

why is the solution to the restaurant i like removing an item "just go to other restaurants bro"

[half imp]

no more than WoTG or Infenrum are

or than any mod i've made is

[north oracle]

One dev decided to make it , it was not a collective calamity decision

[drowsy plank]

oh true

[half imp]

just because it was made by a dev does not mean it's a first party mod

[gilded citrus]

And then refused to add the condiment (qol mods) that go from a close meal to the meal you wanted earlier

[craggy girder]

bc you hold no control over whether a restaurant removes or adds an item from their menu

[glass arch]

you got mad that the tea shop stopped selling red bull

[half imp]

it was one dev

[timber hornet]

i shouldn't have to install more mods to re-introduce what were hitherto core aspects of the gameplay

[glass arch]

they

werent

[earnest raptor]

so this is an act of sabotage?

[timber hornet]

they

[craggy girder]

???????????

[timber hornet]

were

[earnest raptor]

the dev lore deepens

[glass arch]

look at vanilla these things arent baseline

[gilded citrus]

What core aspects, pressing the craft button???

[quaint carbon]

In what universe is that sabotage

[glass arch]

i feel like this is intentional misinterpretation

[vagrant spindle]

how did you come to that conclusion exactly

[half imp]

no it's an act of sagitarriod

[craggy girder]

its an act of DANCE

[timber hornet]

removing needless tedium, as i've said ten billion times over by now

[craggy girder]

hits a very cool move

[vagrant spindle]

an act of imposter amongu s

[craggy girder]

okay which in specific

i have to know

[gilded citrus]

Is infernum an act of sabotage because an ex dev made it

[indigo yacht]

i assume that dev realized that people would be annoyed and made it to get them to not be annoyed, or maybe they disagreed and wanted it still there somewhere

[craggy girder]

which in specific are you actively not happy about

bc it cant be every vanilla craft

[half imp]

i think that's the core difference - things you feel are "needless tedium" others think are core parts of the terraria experience

[earnest raptor]

to make other devs look spineless

[gilded citrus]

Tedium to you but not all

[vocal wedge]

It was made to make sure that Calamity Mod Talk would never actually talk about Calamity, obviously.

[craggy girder]

@drowsy plank make that sticker faster

[timber hornet]

go place, do unfun mob farming/fishing for ten gorillion hours because RNG is a fuck

[craggy girder]

this is not specific

which items are you not happy about with their recipe being removed

[timber hornet]

you asked which tedium, i answered

[glass arch]

a lot of farming doesnt even take that long

[craggy girder]

no, i asked "which vanilla craft are you unhappy about not being able to do anymore"

[gilded citrus]

Idk but to me the mob grinding aint unfun i turned off qol for more vanilla

[timber hornet]

Axe of Regrowth, Cell Phone and Ankh Shield materials

[indigo yacht]

do u like fishing for potion fish

[timber hornet]

no

[indigo yacht]

i see

[craggy girder]

axe of regrowth didnt lose its recipe what

[frail mantle]

didn't ankh shield components get their drop rates buffed

[half imp]

what??

[gilded citrus]

Yea

[indigo yacht]

i think they mean staff

[timber hornet]

*Staff of Regrowth

[tepid crown]

more stuff drops them too

[half imp]

axe of regrowth has a recipe still

[craggy girder]

oh staff of

[earnest raptor]

...axe of Regrowth is definitely not a grindy item

[tepid crown]

plus bloody mary was added

[frail mantle]

so that shouldn't matter

[indigo yacht]

also isn't staff guaranteed in the vernal pass lol

[gilded citrus]

Axe of regrowth and cell phone are not necesities

[half imp]

staff of regrowth is guaranteed in every vernal pass

[tepid crown]

yes

[indigo yacht]

so it's really easy to get

[craggy girder]

devils advocate here, vernal pass may be a bit hard to find

so they may not want to explore their entire jungle

[dense locust]

how was vernal loot changed to account for belladonna btw

[gilded citrus]

So axe of regrowth is needles complaining cause it still has guaranteed method to get

[dense locust]

is there just an extra chest or

[gilded citrus]

Not luck based

[timber hornet]

chest loot RNG for Staff

[craggy girder]

its not chest loot

[glass arch]

wrong

[tepid crown]

its above the required structure that you know youre going to need to find

[golden sonnet]

Not really, especially as temple is always vertical with it. Temple and vernal pass are like 10% of your jungle

[vagrant spindle]

its guaranteed

[gilded citrus]

@timber hornet

[glass arch]

calamity guarantees staff

[craggy girder]

its still a mild search

they may not want to do that

ankh shield is like

half understandable

its not glued to your ramdash anymore

[lavish condor]

also cell phone is completely optional and not vital to any sort of progression or even that much better than magic mirror

[golden sonnet]

Then they can get another mod to "fix" that

[craggy girder]

you dont need it anymore, but it is nice to have it

[earnest raptor]

have you grown allergic to exploration?

[lavish condor]

I only use like maybe 4 of the parts of it

[half imp]

Cell Phone and Ankh Shield are both intentionally hard to make mega-items that are a reward but not a necessity. that's their entire idea in vanilla

[craggy girder]

they've explicitly said they do not want to do that

[tepid crown]

or well it can be under too but rarely (happens because if it did go above it wouldnt be underground anymore, so they put it below instead)

[half imp]

Ankh recipes being gone would be much worse if Ankh was used in an important item

[indigo yacht]

to be fair ankh shield is kind of stupid

[craggy girder]

they're unhappy that the food place stopped serving mayonaise and horseradish

[north oracle]

Just do the game only using items dropped from bosses then you don't need to explore at all

[indigo yacht]

cell phone is different imo because you still get use out of every component

[half imp]

ankh sheild is the ultimate "you really do not ever need this"

[glass arch]

i farmed ankh shield materials passively over the course of like an hour with only about 15 minutes of active farming while i was distinctly not doing bosses and gearing up in hardmode in vanilla
calamity gives you so many extra ways to farm faster you just have to put in like the bare minimum of effort and clear out room for mobs to spawn faster

[craggy girder]

you still gotta find biomes

[timber hornet]

Cell Phone is extremely nice to have so i don't have ten billion items taking up my inventory space to display info, i can just have all of that stuff + Magic Mirror in one item

[half imp]

you can just use one debuff immune item

[indigo yacht]

as long as they're in your inventory

[craggy girder]

Cell Phone is nice to have that is fair

however, half of the stuff can just be like

Bought

[sleek turret]

Shell Phone is even better

[gilded citrus]

You dont need all those items either so eh

[craggy girder]

eeh.

you dont really need like

shine potions

[drowsy plank]

sadly all votes last for at least a day unless we get a super majority so yall will have to wait

[craggy girder]

but they're nice to have

[timber hornet]

which you have to roll RNG for, especially for the items that need to be bought from the Traveling Merchant

[frail fox]

Ankh is just, it’s not in valor idk why people care that much now + got some drop additions and buffs

[gilded citrus]

That a you choice

[half imp]

and that niceness is meant to be the reward for the effort put into it

[craggy girder]

okay which components are annoying in the shell phone

[vocal wedge]

Ankh Shield isn't even that hard to get.
I've gotten it while hardly trying the last two times I played Vanilla, and with mods of any kind I can only see it being easier.

[sleek turret]

if you do the math shell phone saves 15 inventory spaces

[glass arch]

get a dupe of an item? congrats! you can shimmer it into its upgrades other component

[craggy girder]

the shells can be i think crafted or fished

[half imp]

traveling merchant items are a little evil i agree actually

[timber hornet]

the effort put into it is the effort put in to go gather the necessary materials to craft the items therein

[vocal wedge]

Real.

[sleek turret]

ocean shell is an ug desert chest loot, also crate loot

[craggy girder]

the travelling merchant stuff should probably be shimmerable into their other form

[north oracle]

The traveling merchant ones are a bit mean yea lmao

[half imp]

i do want to fix traveling merchant shop in general

[craggy girder]

like dps meter into other stuff

[half imp]

it kinda

sucks

[north oracle]

He's very rude

[sleek turret]

demon conch is Tedious to get because lava fishing takes time

[frail fox]

They are in cal iirc

[craggy girder]

thats a fair one

[tepid crown]

the trav merchant ones are kinda easy as long as you have money since u only need one of them to show up

[half imp]

like i wanna make every item always avaliable but expensive with random ones having a discount or something

[timber hornet]

because that still requires you to go experience the game. making the items craftable doesn't turn the game into "sit in one place and wait and eventually you have a Cell Phone" simulator like you seem to think it does

[craggy girder]

demon conch should probably be in the chest by crags maybe

[tepid crown]

(cal adds shimmer between all 3 of em)

[glass arch]

in calamity the 15-20 minutes spent farming in vanilla is reduced to like 5 minutes

[craggy girder]

oh really!

thats awesome

[tepid crown]

yes

[craggy girder]

okay so like

[indigo yacht]

consider: most of those spaces were niche or completely useless anyways

[sleek turret]

the fishing combo accessories are oughh

[half imp]

keep in mind these items also work in void bag

[frail fox]

We all use Sextant

[sleek turret]

oh yea

[indigo yacht]

my bad

[tepid crown]

it actually only saves like 3 since you can combine them before u get pda

[indigo yacht]

WE do i forgot

[half imp]

and you can combine the other stuff without full shellphone

yeah

[sleek turret]

yea I was taking into account if you don't actually craft the combinations

[lavish condor]

dps meter, lifeform analyzer, clock, maybe stopwatch are the useful parts imo

[indigo yacht]

stopwatch isn't

[gilded citrus]

I dont really use anything else 😭

[sleek turret]

sextant is useful for skeleton merchant stuff and also anything moon phase related

[indigo yacht]

i love stopwatch but it's actually almost completely useless

[frail fox]

Cellphone is neat and convenient but idk why people act like it’s required, satisfying ig

[half imp]

yeah sextant is nice

[drowsy plank]

i have said this one hundred million billion times but every person that insists ankh shield needs to be in valor is identifying the problem but mistaking it for the placebo solution

[indigo yacht]

compass, sextant, and depth meter have niche uses

[earnest raptor]

to be completely honest?

post-covid gamers have grown to experiencing nuclear rage on seeing the word "removed" without any nuance for some reason, that has been lost now

[tepid crown]

so like melee players trying to get moon stone ig

[drowsy plank]

if ankh feels necessary then the problem is the debuffs are fucking dogshit and need to be reworked and not that the item that literally disables all of them needs to be an instapick on literally every build

[lavish condor]

oh yeah moon phases matter huh add sextant

[drowsy plank]

which is like. the most suggestions-discussions moment ever

[timber hornet]

i really tried to give the update a chance last night and i still hated it

[drowsy plank]

100 million suggestions identifying a real problem but insisting an epic reddit item is the solution

[sleek turret]

Compass is useful for locating shimmer using certain world tricks (world size, jungle side, and dungeon brick color)

[tepid crown]

the only other time i think you need to know moon phases is like

deathweed blooms ig

[glass arch]

not useful in cal theres a surface indicator for shimmer

[golden sonnet]

Use a qol mod instead of forcing a feature on literally everyone

[gilded citrus]

Ngl when i played cal brainstorm yesterday i was surprised there was still so much qol entries i wanted more gone 😭

[craggy girder]

REK
radars easy just go to Any wooden chest and you're prob getting it
tally counter is in the archives, go get it
lifeform analyzer is from the guy, just buy 3 of any of these and shimmer two

GPS
depth meter is a bit annoying, but bats are prevalent
compass is a bit annoying, but cave enemies are prevalent
you can just make a watch

goblin tech
metal detectors a bit finnicky
dps meter is from the guy, just buy 3 and shimmer two
stopwatch is from the guy, just buy 3 and shimmer two

fish finder
Its All Fishing. Which Does Kinda Suck.

[north oracle]

Give it time

[sleek turret]

yea now there is but before that you could just do that and in vanilla you still do that

[timber hornet]

someone should make a mod for that

[frail fox]

Cal has to readd acidic rain barrel to save qol

[craggy girder]

the only ones on this list i dont like is the Metal Detector and the Fish Finder, but i understand some people like fishing

[gilded citrus]

No ones gonna make a mod for it and idk how to tmod code

[sleek turret]

Lifeform Analyzer is good but I wish it displayed a list of rare enemies instead of the one it has higher priority

[half imp]

i should make a mod for it

[craggy girder]

and metal detector is fine if you get Lifeform Analyzer

[half imp]

what QoL do people still want gone

[timber hornet]

best time to plant a tree was yesterday, second best time is today, crack open that C++ For Dummies book and get to work

[earnest raptor]

speaking of reddit: I saw a suggestion about expanding changelogs to include reasons for changes there

[tepid crown]

terraria uses csharp

[indigo yacht]

HAVE YOU SEEN 2.1

[gilded citrus]

Nah i have college work to do and other projects i dont got time rn

[indigo yacht]

HOW LONG THE CHANGELOG IS

MY COMPUTER FREEZES

[timber hornet]

i thought it used C++?

[vocal wedge]

I wonder what...

[glass arch]

same argument can go for you, crack open that C# For Dummies book and get to work readding the qol you want

[north oracle]

Nah C#

[half imp]

we do want to do that but it's hard sometimes

[sleek turret]

no terraria uses C# and NET

[half imp]

C# .NET8

[vagrant spindle]

i saw a post that was a tribute to acidic rain barrel and i laughed my ass for like 3 minutes because im pretty sure its unironic

[half imp]

cal uses .NET 10

[vagrant spindle]

like what do you MEAN

[north oracle]

God thats amazing

[craggy girder]

im half sure it was like

50% ironic

[north oracle]

Its like the stratus sphere gif

[vagrant spindle]

nobody on the PLANET talked about this fucking thing before it was removed

[gilded citrus]

Dont remember since been a day since but i do remember being surprised life crystals craft still exist

[tepid crown]

THEY GOT RID OF ACIDIC RAIN BARREL?! BUT IT WAS MY GOAT FR FR (it wasnt)

[half imp]

https://tenor.com/view/stratus-sphere-calamity-mod-calamity-stratus-sphere-gif-26033349

[sleek turret]

terraria still outdated in net 8 😭

[craggy girder]

it was a funny gimmick for sure but like

it wasnt Good

[north oracle]

That one yep

[half imp]

wait wait

[gilded citrus]

What

[half imp]

we need a new one

"brought it back"

[vocal wedge]

...I think I used it.

[drowsy plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1240949401141383208/1470042700358221914/Project_Name_1.mp4?ex=698b2cf3&is=6989db73&hm=34f334ed81fcec155419d0e49e3e8e3265ed03992718e35daa9b9d780033f575&

[north oracle]

#stratusgang

[craggy girder]

Remove it you cowards #antistratusgang

[tepid crown]

bring it back you cowards #spectreriflegang

[north oracle]

LMAO

[gilded citrus]

Hell assignment done i got told to forget about it due to how much stress

[half imp]

i might revive CDB

[north oracle]

Spectre staff but gun was the best

[tepid crown]

WHY IS LEI HENG THERE

[glass arch]

why the fuck is lei heng limbus company there

[timber hornet]

this is what i mean by this place is an echo chamber. nobody wants to hear other opinions or inputs, they want to act like the only thing that matters is what they think and what they want because this server is, apparently, the only place that matters for Cal

[tepid crown]

WHY IS LIMBUS COMPANY HERE

WHAT

[earnest raptor]

Blueprint Update: reworked weapons can now be shimmered into pre-reworked items

[vagrant spindle]

i genuinely cant tell if its ironic

[indigo yacht]

is that fucking pm

[boreal lichen]

wtf capo IIII in my sugg disc

[vagrant spindle]

because it came from calsub

[half imp]

this would be hell

to maintain

[vagrant spindle]

like
theres a 50/50 chance it was made earnestly

[north oracle]

10000 weapons

[drowsy plank]

we heard your opinions man we gave ours and you wont listen

[vocal wedge]

???

[half imp]

of note, the QoL tonedowns also make Calamity easier for us to manage and maintain

[glass arch]

...i would like to point out that the same goes for you

[frail fox]

This would be so fucked

[drowsy plank]

this isnt an echo chamber this is just a disagreement

[timber hornet]

i have listened, and i still don't agree