suggestions-discussion

[half imp]

I'm just going to flat out fast track this photosens to dev, I can't get to it rn but it probably should be done

[ripe owl]

I think they are in the Don'ts document

[delicate lagoon]

Thanks. It's not the end of the world but when toying around with what I had in my inventory I was like "Woah that's a bit bright"

[tame vigil]

no, thank you for brining it to our attention

this is what the new photosensitivity config is for

[delicate lagoon]

I was already really happy that there were screenshake scalars, I was not at all expecting a dedicated photosensitivity option but I sure am happy it was added 😁

[inland saddle]

It’s going to be down until probably Tuesday

I’m in the process of moving

[drowsy plank]

rip

understandable

[glass arch]

@summer egret #suggestions-posting is only for ingame stuff

i forget where you go to suggest merch stuff

[drowsy plank]

no we allow merch here

which is really funny but they said to allow it so we do

[glass arch]

guh

[tame vigil]

this is so fucking funny

[keen zodiac]

peak suggestion??

[boreal lichen]

🔥❓

[gilded citrus]

🔥

[drowsy plank]

@sonic garnet you might want to look at the rules and other suggestions to more properly format your's

[silk ferry]

Is it normal that perfotators died on their own on the GFB seed?

[drowsy plank]

#1052323733961977947

[sonic garnet]

thank you, sorry about that

[drowsy plank]

@royal tapir can u explain why u flagged the sunskater one

[royal tapir]

Because this is not a suggestion for the mod

[drowsy plank]

ozz said we are allowed to let merch suggestions go through this channel

[royal tapir]

Why would that accomplish anything

[drowsy plank]

idfk

im trying to find where it was mentioned

[summer egret]

It is a suggestion for the mod sunskaters come from calamitymod

[drowsy plank]

oh wait it was fab.......

[craggy girder]

oooh.

[drowsy plank]

i talked to ozz and he's still fine with it

congrats sunskeeter merch suggestion you get to live another day

[craggy girder]

“yeah sure dude i love more money i need it for my Robots Dominos Surfing Room”

[drowsy plank]

lmao?

the bigger reason is just... if a suggestion for merch passes that proves at least a decent chunk of people might actually want that merch

[craggy girder]

im making a riff on merchandising i love plushies

anyone who makes money either needs it or wants it for something extravagant and extraordinary

and i can imagine ozzatron surfing on a sea of dominos like Bigweld

[drowsy plank]

@gilded crow if you could, please try to properly format your suggestion like in the rules or if you scroll up
the bolding text isn't necessary but you should have a title that is not written like a sentence and summarizes your suggestion in fewer words

something like;

Most notably Xyk's blessing (s), auric items, cosmilite items and exo prism items
I literally cannot hover my cursor over the endgame or dev items without suffering```

[gilded crow]

done.

[drowsy plank]

thanks

[gilded crow]

can someone @ me if this gets implemented, because I won't be able to play the mod until at least this comes to pass

[glass arch]

yeah suggbot pings you if your sugg goes into dev and then again when they pass a verdict on it

and then itll ping you a third time if/when they implement it

however considering what doze said prior i would be unsurprised if this skips voting and goes straight to dev

[neat linden]

Photosens and other really important accessibility changes should def be straight to dev

[drowsy plank]

honestly it might be worth it to file this as an "oversight" in bug reports, that would go faster

[gilded crow]

thank you

I'll do that

[golden sonnet]

I already forwarded it to a dev chat

So not needed if you don't want to

[gilded crow]

oh, thank you very much

[proud tree]

This is actively being addressed in the next hotfix, thank you for suggesting this

[craggy girder]

i think the bobber needs to be rephrased

when the light shows up, you have to continuously move in a direction until the next direction shows up

[craggy girder]

theres a max of 2 suggs per day right

[echo leaf]

Would it be worth suggesting a shimmer recipe between King and Queen statues

[errant wren]

the gender fluid

[echo leaf]

i suggest that because i just found three queen statues and zero king statues so i want to get the game changed to better suit me

[hazy nacelle]

that could be useful

[scarlet musk]

i like the idea of entropic claymore instead being a swarm summon with lots of little plasma ray fishies that protect u

[scarlet musk]

@drowsy plank ?

[glass arch]

it

[drowsy plank]

there is no reasoning for this

[glass arch]

just shoots projectiles

[flint notch]

theyre right youre too scared to admit it

[glass arch]

its not a mage or summoner weapon its just a melee weapon that has projectiles 😭

[scarlet musk]

🔥

[scarlet musk]

its not melee, aren't we moving away from this kind of design

i don't think this should be flagged

[ripe owl]

Isn't there literally a line in Deso eye's tooltip

That literally says

"with you being at the bottom of the arena"

[next swift]

i can check rn gimmie two seconds, its possible i was just blind asf when going into that fight

[next swift]

x_x

i still find it odd that it considers you the bottom instead of the center, but i guess you dont have an "altar" for that one

so it checks out

atleast theres somethin there tho

[next swift]

(probably also just due to being too used to not having an enclosed arena, so when id do the fight id start it on the platform in the middle of the air)

[drowsy plank]

projectile swords are allowed to exist, i dont really understand what you reasoning that it should be reclassed is beyond that

[hollow shell]

^ @little crescent
You have to be holding the directional key when the indicated direction disappears, i.e. when it completes its motion

It's kinda unintuitive. I also thought you just had to hit the button at any point that the indicator exists

You could use this information to improve your suggestion
(and maybe use a word other than "nerf". Kinda makes it sound like you think the minigame is too powerful for the player. Like in the way you'd nerf a weapon)

[ripe owl]

What it needs is clearance that you need to HOLD the button and not just play Dance Dance Revolution with it

[half imp]

yeah i need to fix wulfrum bobber minigame

[indigo yacht]

i feel like this suggestion should be in bug reports but maybe not

[half imp]

is this more clear

[ripe owl]

it is

[craggy girder]

remind me

[drowsy plank]

@alpine cradle no joke suggestions

[little crescent]

Ohh that makes sense, thanks

Still think they should make it clearer what to do though

[void chasm]

devs should release some of the older versions of the mod, so that if they make more controversial changes, we can still play those older versions

[gilded citrus]

They already do

[keen zodiac]

you can download them from github

[gilded citrus]

On github

[void chasm]

wait where wtf

oh lol

where is the version right before the latest update? I can't find that

[keen zodiac]

it's 2.0.7.2

[hollow shell]

I'd personally recommend editing your suggestion with that information in mind

[tepid crown]

@lost spire the formula for star beam ryes damage boost already takes use time in account so this suggestion is pointless. itd be best to take this into #1178515062030348308 instead

[frail fox]

The funny

[lost spire]

If it does they did an extremely bad job mathing it out.

[drowsy plank]

they are right this should go in #1178515062030348308

bc it's about balance

speculative balance even so even weirder

[golden sonnet]

It's already reworked for next update

Doze tried, but there wasn't a feasible way to make it work for all weapons

[lost spire]

Alright, made a post there.
It seemed like discussions was the correct channel because the imbalance is obvious and the rework is 100% going to happen, it's just a question of what will change.

[drowsy plank]

that is actually even more of a reason not to post it here because it would be a future content suggestion (based on speculative future balance)

[lost spire]

Do we know when that is/what will happen to Rye?

[golden sonnet]

I don't know if it's been shared publicly. I can @half imp to see if he wants to share it.

[half imp]

reworked into
+15 mana/sec, even while using a weapon
0.9x magic damage

star beam rye does scale off mana consumption rate currently, but the formula it uses is just janky

it scales only on Mana Cost and Use Time

specifically, Mana Cost/Use Time * 100

issue is on holdouts like Helium Flash, that simply doesn't work well

[lost spire]

Pity, mage actually doing good damage with Rye + Chaos Stone was fun. Understandable that it just didn't work though, thanks.

[half imp]

even without Rye it does good damage lol

but yeah i couldn't find a better way to make the effect work for all weapons so it's being changed

chaos stone should still be very good for damage since it's effectively multiplicative dmg boost

[lost spire]

Yeah huge props to whoever was behind the Chaos Stone rework. It's been really fun to use.

[half imp]

i literally woke up from a dream one morning with that idea in my mind

glad it seems good, it was really weak until about a week ago lol

[glass arch]

arent they consumable now

even if they arent you can still shimmer them cant you

[humble scarab]

and its vanilla feature that they drop

[half imp]

this conflicts with an upcoming change to boss summons anyway

and they'll be stackable in 1.4.5

[paper torrent]

Yeah, but Calamity has changed many vanilla features.

[glass arch]

yes but generally not if a vanilla feature fixes one of cals issues

[paper torrent]

And by the way, event summons are consumable now.

[drowsy plank]

flagging the suggestion because of this

also @paper torrent just shimmer them

[paper torrent]

Are they going to be consumable again in the future?

[drowsy plank]

presumably yeah i think so

[paper torrent]

I'm so glad that Calamity is restoring the vanilla grind.

Like, unironically.

[half imp]

they are going to be semi-consumable

consumed, but refunded if the boss leaves without dying

so 1 spawn item = 1 boss drop pool

[paper torrent]

So the Fargo approach, kinda.

[umbral gazelle]

is player placed hostile turret not dropping its item but dropped dubious plating and mysterious circuitry a bug or intended

i have a suggestion to make but idk if this is a bug or intended

[keen zodiac]

intended probably

[umbral gazelle]

i see

[gilded citrus]

Prolly cause it literally places the same as the hostile turrets in labs

[obsidian nova]

Lmao
https://youtu.be/abcqvro24OE?si=FPWQSQP-24aYCX39

[drowsy plank]

who care

skyblock seed 1.4.5

[humble scarab]

thats what started the crate "drama" but now who cares when there is official skyblock

make a platform to recover flight time

hooks helps

• from what i remember, you dont need to fly that much but i might be wrong on that

[drowsy plank]

@warm abyss not properly formatted and also no reasoning. if you're going to talk about boss balancing that is a much higher bar than normal suggestions and you have barely anything explaining why you need infinite flight to dodge things besides that providence... has a border i guess??? you're going to need footage or something other significant proof that a drastic change like this is necessary

oh my god you just added like three other suggestions inside of that suggestion too

please read the rules

[warm abyss]

my bad

where do i find the rules of posting?

[median scaffold]

The top message in the channel you've posted the suggestion in

Or just this: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dRB4W_bVX7qj_wAwi-w2E6MTitvIpg0xafeAvKDsLyU/edit?usp=sharing

[warm abyss]

nvm found it

[indigo yacht]

Nah.

[indigo yacht]

"sky boss"
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Storm_Weaver

[gilded citrus]

Draedon does not need more lore 😭

[indigo yacht]

this suggestion focuses too much on what to add

[tepid crown]

also like

high effort

[gilded citrus]

Yeah

[tepid crown]

[boreal lichen]

a sky boss thats a... bird...

[warm abyss]

bro i dont know, some sort of boss

[indigo yacht]

gulpslposion

[gilded citrus]

Dragonfolly is going prehardmode and to the sky
Also calamity does not need more bosses hell no

[north oracle]

@warm abyss please see above, basically this is way too specific
you should focus on presenting a problem (not enough to do in the sky after earlygame) instead of bringing up ideas to fix it
also devplans already help with this it's already going to happen in the future

[indigo yacht]

the name "suggestion" can be somewhat misleading, because suggestions are more about pointing out issues in the game than just suggesting things to add

usually people do both of course

[warm abyss]

so why name it suggestions ?

[indigo yacht]

"this is a problem and here are a few ways we can fix it"

[gilded citrus]

Suggesting changes to fix an issue

[warm abyss]

i mean sky being completely baren isnt a problem?

[north oracle]

suggestions are for suggesting things we might want to change, not for suggesting new things to add

your sugg does a lot of the second without explaining the first

[indigo yacht]

because usually what one person sees as an issue may not be what everyone else sees as an issue, which is why there's voting

[keen zodiac]

it is. that's why there's already plans to add stuff

[gilded citrus]

#spoilers message this feels important to add

[keen zodiac]

and yeah they're adding a bird boss that unlocks aerialite

it's called dragonfolly

[north oracle]

bumblefuck

[warm abyss]

so they moving dragon folly to early game or moving aerilite to endgame?

[boreal lichen]

former

[gilded citrus]

Dragonfolly and evil2 are switching progression points eventually

And folly going to space iirc

Folly space program

[indigo yacht]

aren't these all still just theoreticals and unconfirmed

even if most of the devs want it to happen

[gilded citrus]

Ozzatron told em to put it in the content doc so i imagine VERY unlikely to not happen

[indigo yacht]

alright

[warm abyss]

is that video of the sky building the only part of the sky that has been spoiled?

[keen zodiac]

no the folly tierswap has been basically confirmed for a while now

[keen zodiac]

yes

but there's also plans to tweak sky islands

and add lore books n shit

[warm abyss]

so my suggestion still makes sense then right?

[keen zodiac]

you're not supposed to suggest specific things to add

devs need flexibility

and also a lot of this conflicts with future plans

[warm abyss]

well im giving them ideas lol

not like they have to follow suggestions

[tepid crown]

well dont

its not what they need

[keen zodiac]

i don't even understand what the first half is about
there's already a space lab you need to summon draedon

[indigo yacht]

the issue is that most of your suggestion is about the ideas rather than the problem, you can always suggest possible fixes but they should only be a line or two

most of your suggestion should be about the problem

[warm abyss]

so why not just make another channel that has game fixes and one that has future game ideas

[indigo yacht]

this server has more than 235k members

sorry 253k

[keen zodiac]

99.999% of ideas will never be added

[indigo yacht]

a "future game idea" channel would be flooded instantly

[humble scarab]

^

[gilded citrus]

They dont want people to ideasguy for them i imagine

[humble scarab]

it wouldnt work like it could

[indigo yacht]

and also 99% of those ideas would be ass let's not kid ourselves

[keen zodiac]

the channel will just be a garbage can

[indigo yacht]

in retrospect a lot of my suggestions have been ass

[glass arch]

specific suggestions were banned because so many of them were bad and so many of them wouldnt ever get into the game despite the sheer amount of them

i think there were only ever 4-5 specific item suggestions that made it into the mod and there were thousands posted

[warm abyss]

the lab isnt necessary to go to and is basically empty, you can can do there early game and then never again, but having a actual lore lab with some new tech and some lore about both the endgame bosses and deadon himself would be cool, he said he did research and expanding on that would be interesting, thats what i meant about the daedon lab. also couldnt you just have rules like the suggestion posting channel thats has a 10 min timer, and has do be in a specific format?

[keen zodiac]

... it already has lore about draedon and dog

[gilded citrus]

The lab has schematics its needed for exos

[humble scarab]

arent you forced to go there in this update to fight some earlier bosses

[tepid crown]

well first of all it is necessary to go to because you need the schematic

[keen zodiac]

you've always been forced for exos

but now for aureus also

[tepid crown]

secondly it already has lore about an endgame boss, being dog

[indigo yacht]

a 10 minute timer wouldn't matter if there were two hundred and a half thousand people trying to get random items added to the game

people don't read the rules either

there's a suggestions rules document for this channel

but well

[keen zodiac]

case in point

[gilded citrus]

Calamity does not need ideapeople for items the devs have their own creativity to use for that

[indigo yacht]

add more cats to calamity

please

rate my suggestion

[warm abyss]

cats woud be goated

[keen zodiac]

xeroc catboy

[glass arch]

10/10 no notes

[glass arch]

im killing you

[indigo yacht]

thats what im saying

[gilded citrus]

Add siffrin to calamity

[indigo yacht]

4 months since i got reprimanded for saying this every day in cmt

[warm abyss]

could we atleast change the sugguestion name do fixes for the game, its pretty missleading

[keen zodiac]

it's not if you read the rules

[indigo yacht]

we just need like

"READ THE FUCKING RULES" somewhere where it's impossible to miss

[gilded citrus]

Hourly notifier bot that says read the blinding rules

[indigo yacht]

add it to the channel name

[keen zodiac]

people will still miss it

[indigo yacht]

lol

[tepid crown]

sticky message

[indigo yacht]

ok but we'd get like at least 3 of them

[craggy girder]

if something gets ❗, they get a ping in This chat saying "Your suggestion has been flagged. Please read the rules document, or read the following feedback."

[errant wren]

we make a server specifically for suggestions

[keen zodiac]

yeah why isn't that automated actually

[craggy girder]

i dunno!

is suggesting something to be added on top of an item an SiS

[keen zodiac]

elaborate

[craggy girder]

like "Basher's high kb should do damage to enemies the kb'd enemy physically collides with"

im 95% sure its SiS

[drowsy plank]

SRS; specific rework suggestion

[craggy girder]

aaaah

[keen zodiac]

that might be srs

[errant wren]

yeah

[craggy girder]

that'd do it!

okay cool uhhh

i've had a few suggs over the past few days

[gilded citrus]

Rework the sun irl its annoying

[craggy girder]

just in my head

[drowsy plank]

you could ask for an item that foes that funnily if you think it is missing some kind of important niche

[glass arch]

oh right did they remove moon stone from sun spirit line

in dev

[craggy girder]

the niche item that satiates the lack of slaphand in late prehardmode

we need more slaphands. obviously.

[drowsy plank]

@warm abyss you cant ask for infinite flight for provi bc she's too hard and then say if this gets added she would need to get reworked because she is too easy

[keen zodiac]

true..

[drowsy plank]

that's contradicting itself

[craggy girder]

inf flight on provi is also not really needed; you have it via hooks

[gilded citrus]

Ngl i have never had issue with provi flight time

[craggy girder]

just make a good arena or kill Polterghast and then her

Polterghast is not a difficult fight if you know what you're doing, so you can just Tierskip and Win

[glass arch]

you can deadass just use a wof arena for her

[craggy girder]

truke

[gilded citrus]

What i mainly do

[craggy girder]

using a wof arena against all three hell bosses

depressing

[keen zodiac]

i accidentally nohit polter in exdeath once

[craggy girder]

four, actually

brimmy is a hell boss

[keen zodiac]

forget exos, brimmy is the most rungodable boss

[gilded citrus]

Three hell?
Wof
Provi
Brimmy
Signus

[craggy girder]

four, actually
brimmy is a hell boss

[warm abyss]

well i said providence is easy in the first place, she is already and easy boss but not having inf flight just makes her a easy but also annoying boss fight

[gilded citrus]

I put brimmy

[craggy girder]

i forget her quite often because she's part of azafure legally, not hell as a whole

[craggy girder]

:)

[gilded citrus]

Im on about my message

[craggy girder]

yeas.

[gilded citrus]

Also wouldnt it be five

[craggy girder]

i quoted myself when i said "4:

[gilded citrus]

Guardians

[craggy girder]

oh right guardians are a boss

certainly a boss of all time yes

(still so genuine Guardians should attack you when you try and spawn providence)

[keen zodiac]

they're dead by then

[craggy girder]

yes

im saying that you spawn prov first, guardians ambush, and THEN providence spawns

[keen zodiac]

but that breaks provi lore then

[craggy girder]

are you not being ambushed by the guardians

[crude geode]

Has someone pinged Nycro about the bot being dead

[keen zodiac]

the only reason you can kill her is because she's super pissed you kill the guardians

[glass arch]

nycro knows

[tepid crown]

yea they cant do anything about it

[crude geode]

Rip

[tepid crown]

on holiday

[glass arch]

not on holiday, in the process of moving

[tepid crown]

oh ok

[gilded citrus]

Why is nycro the only one eho can fix bot

[tepid crown]

i forgor

[keen zodiac]

the profaned core is literally the core of the guardians

[craggy girder]

summoning her but the guardians try and steal the kill, to which you then kill them, would probably be like. Really Annoying

[keen zodiac]

what

[glass arch]

because nycro is the one who owns the server it runs on

[gilded citrus]

Ah ok

[craggy girder]

walking to the park but your friend tries to beat up a guy in the park, to which they're then Shot

would be Not fun

[keen zodiac]

i'm explaining the current lore

[craggy girder]

yeah i know

im discussing my IDea

[glass arch]

pretty sure it runs off a raspberry pi in his basement

[warm abyss]

so i read the rules and basically you cant suggest anything. so what exactly can i suggest it seems like they already have everything planned out and dont need suggestions lol

[keen zodiac]

guardians jump you > kill them > get heart > provi is pissed > doesn't run away and subsequently dies

[gilded citrus]

If they have plans and stuff that cover your issue then uh nothing

[indigo yacht]

not really, it makes some sense
if you're attempting to summon and kill providence, it fails because she has no interest in fighting you but the guardians attack you because you tried to summon her

[keen zodiac]

it wouldn't work

[indigo yacht]

i don't really care though

[craggy girder]

yeah this

[gilded citrus]

She has interest in your death its why the profaned enemies and guards even attack iirc

[craggy girder]

you use the core, it does the animation, waits for a short moment, and then Guardians.

[keen zodiac]

the profaned core item is a body part of the guardians

[gilded citrus]

Where you getting the core of the profaned guardians before you kill them

[keen zodiac]

also changing it would invalidate embers

and the enrage

[indigo yacht]

i think you guys are taking this way more seriously than intended

[warm abyss]

but they dont or they didnt show anything on it

[glass arch]

.. is embers even hard canon

[indigo yacht]

if you were to change lore obviously you'd have to tweak the game itself

[craggy girder]

what is embers

[glass arch]

piece of lore not in the game, aka subject to change if the devs want

[craggy girder]

implied that it wouldnt be in this context (it'd replace half of the functionality of Profaned Shard)

[gilded citrus]

A what if story from cei on what if providence won, its meant to be theoretically possible in canon

[gilded citrus]

That would force them to make up a new reason providence becomes blue

[craggy girder]

whats the current one?

[gilded citrus]

Since rn its you returning the core and giving providence the power she gave the guardians centuries ago

So she cant just be blue on command or anything

Cause otherwise she would be blue when fighting you

[craggy girder]

okay so hear me out: sunlight is like really hot and stuff :)

and moonlight is really cold and stuff

(im shitting out my ass here, i just like the idea of guardians properly ambushing you)

[glass arch]

yeah that. doesnt help because provi isnt a sun boss

[gilded citrus]

Yeah provi is not sun related

[craggy girder]

sure she is

[gilded citrus]

No

[craggy girder]

source: she's made of fire

[gilded citrus]

Ash goddess

[glass arch]

thats why they had to reexplain her enrage

[craggy girder]

thats what the sun is made of :)

[gilded citrus]

Sun isnt made of fire in calamity

[gilded citrus]

Not in cal

[glass arch]

also sun isnt made of fire irl

[craggy girder]

yeah thats why she gets football tackled by Jared

[boreal lichen]

🚬

[craggy girder]

if you get her to the abyss Jared shows up to defend his home

[gilded citrus]

Providence is the ash goddess
Xeroc is our sun deity

[craggy girder]

yeah ashes are like really warm and stuff she's like besties with xeroc

they (before Yharim did his shit) had like Really Warm Tea Parties

[gilded citrus]

Xeroc wants to protect the world while providence is kill 7 billion people image

[craggy girder]

yeah but they put that aside for a bit to enjoy Warm Things like Lizards

Xeroc & Providence are Lizards theory?????????????????????? both like warm things????????????????????????

[gilded citrus]

Xerocs a human
We dunno what provi was before ascending

[drowsy plank]

very angry bee clearly

[gilded citrus]

True

[craggy girder]

ythink the sigil behind him is a good nightlight

[gilded citrus]

Clips into the bed while sleeping so sadly no

[craggy girder]

if he's a back sleeper yeah

bro might sleep on his face or on his side

[gilded citrus]

Was revealed to me in a dream that he is

[craggy girder]

ill believe it

[warm abyss]

so i have a suggestion for the suggestions, it should be in order top do bottom, suggestions-discussions, posting, then voting, if that's the order in which you are supposed so use them then why not structure it that way

[keen zodiac]

because most people only care about voting

[crude geode]

^^^

[dense ferry]

@glass arch could you perhaps make your suggestion more professional?

[north oracle]

Amazing sugg

@someone who codes make the pumpkin quiet

[half imp]

peak

[urban berry]

Holy hell why is everyone forgetting rules

[novel belfry]

themktgm

[urban berry]

Everyone is making the same "rename X, add Y, rework Z"
BUT NOBODY ACTUALLY READS THESE RULES FOR SOME REASON.

[errant wren]

something something new update causes new opinions or whatever

[crude geode]

people just don't read pins regardless of channel

[novel belfry]

Cut down on the amount of different weapon recipes that share a weapon material

For some reason, there has been an uptick in recipes that share weapon materials. Examples of this include:

• THREE different magic weapons in Calamity (including base Terraria) that have Magic Missile as one of their materials: Sky Fracture, Night's Ray, and Shifting Sand. Additionally, the Sky Fracture can upgrade into the Infernal Rift line or into the Dance of Light.
• The Majestic Guard either upgrading into the post-Cultist Grand Guardian or the post-Signus Grand Dad (which is a dead-end and does not upgrade into the Earth).
• Lightspeed either upgrading into Cosmic Shiv or the Exoblade
• Terra Blade can either be upgraded into the Terratomere, or if held for long enough can be upgraded into the Zenith.

(im posting this here first because i dont actually have any reasoning beyond "its annoying to shimmer weapons constantly"

actually wait

i should make an image for this sugg

[glass arch]

i think this is too long

yeah

[drowsy plank]

200 above...

[novel belfry]

ack

[drowsy plank]

also tbf grand dad is probably better than earth lmao

[novel belfry]

i am very bad with wording stuff

[half imp]

Cosmic Shiv is a donornitem issue i think

[novel belfry]

i'll trim off terra blade for later

oh? ah right fair enough

[dense locust]

why does lightpseed go into exoblade

[half imp]

And terra bladenkinda cantbe cut from tomere

[half imp]

Its the elemental sword

[dense locust]

this shit is NOT exo gladius

[half imp]

it even has the dash to match exoblade

Like that's explicitly why

[novel belfry]

honestly exoblade should function like lightspeed and charge its dash up over time

trimmed

alr image made

[drowsy plank]

this is still 80 over from what i can tell

the character limit i mean

[novel belfry]

shit

[crude geode]

I feel like magic missile is a little bit better than your previous example of needing two terra blades, since there's many chests in the dungeon, but you'd have to craft 3 extra swords if you wanted to make zenith and terratomere in the exact same moment

[craggy girder]

while having a buncha deadends is Badsauce, i dont exactly agree with the idea of all of them ending up in the final weapon

[drowsy plank]

i think it's funny how arguably recipes are in a worse state this update than they were last update lmao

[crude geode]

lmao

[craggy girder]

like for example

Aquamarine Staff upgrades at Acid Rain t2, and then Never Again

you do not ever use it again, which Sucks !

[crude geode]

taps the sign of "not every weapon needs a line that lasts the entire game"

[craggy girder]

however, gluing it onto the Vivid Clarity/Zenith Alternative would feel Not The Greatest

[craggy girder]

Yeah

[glass arch]

ok but what if some of them need two

[crude geode]

sobbing

[indigo yacht]

they added kjaros band and then it only upgrades once and it's post evil

[craggy girder]

i feel like each weapon should either be standalone or should at least be usable in some way up to a major stage

[half imp]

What if some need 3

[craggy girder]

like uhhhh
magnetic meltdown. kinda. but a lot cooler

[half imp]

I think that the "choose a path" is actually very cool sometimes

But magic missile is stupid

[craggy girder]

Acid Rain t2 is not exaaactly a major stage in my eyes, for the staff

[glass arch]

its really cool but its a lot less cool when its the illusion of choice image

[novel belfry]

insert that scene of eggman from 06 fandub staring at elise after she says "I feel like it's gonna be 18."

[indigo yacht]

im gonna be fr with you I'm just going to get a second one so i can get both paths because i do that

[craggy girder]

you make a decent mage weapon, an absolute dogshit mage weapon, or a decent mage weapon
then you upgrade them

except the dogshit on

[half imp]

Or when they're like, vastly differnt tiers

Like idk why Grand Dad doesnt juat use Grand Guardian

[novel belfry]

same ngl

[craggy girder]

see if magic missile upgraded to something, and then that was used for its upgrade, instead of using the same weapon

[craggy girder]

what does it use

[half imp]

Majestic Guard

[novel belfry]

i was genuinely confounded when i saw the recipe yesterday

[half imp]

And then Earth uses Grand Guardian

[craggy girder]

trollface????

[novel belfry]

I thought the Grand Dad was going to be just a new step between Grand Guardian and Earth

[craggy girder]

notice how shifting sands isnt here

this is because shifting sands is Dogshit

[half imp]

this is because shhifting sanda is peak

[craggy girder]

this is because "Maximum of one projectile on screen" is Horseshit

[half imp]

I made it actually work like a magic missile in 2.1

[half imp]

Not a thing

[craggy girder]

oh you made it not horseshit?

[half imp]

Yes

[craggy girder]

oh cool

[half imp]

Its now a real missilee

[crude geode]

this is because great sand shark is dogshit

[craggy girder]

huurah

[craggy girder]

Hmmm.

[novel belfry]

also unrelated but Ultra Liquidator should upgrade to Dance of Light instead of... Sky Fracture

it just works better

[craggy girder]

what is Ultra Liquidator

[novel belfry]

hell, that might actually be a good basis for a rework of it and Infernal Rift

[craggy girder]

oh Infernal Rift Upgrade Right

[craggy girder]

yeah That

[glass arch]

i keep forgetting that

infernal rift wasnt removed

[crude geode]

truly one of the lines ever

[craggy girder]

infernal rift is Pretty Decent i wont lie

[glass arch]

because like hell burst got removed why did infernal rift not get removed too

[craggy girder]

ultra liquidator is Middling

[half imp]

Ur middling

[novel belfry]

like if this was how it worked then id be fine

[dense locust]

this is unfortunately not true last I checked

[novel belfry]

it used to debuff enemies, now it doesnt
thats probably actually why its called liquidator

hang on

[half imp]

I AM the MAGIC MISSILE

[half imp]

Test it again

[novel belfry]

ah right
#suggestions-voting message

[craggy girder]

read this in the same cadence as matpat saying i am the human thing

[novel belfry]

its supposed to be renamed anyhow

[dense locust]

if I'm reading this correctly this thing is probably broken now

[half imp]

True

It deseeves it

[dense locust]

maybe

[craggy girder]

flooring realization: why does the nights ray exist and not a nights edge book

[half imp]

Millions shall magic they missiles

[dense locust]

ok nvm its actually not broken

[half imp]

Is it balanced or weak

[sleek turret]

night's edge book might be demon scythe,

[dense locust]

kinda hard to say I think?
the fact you arnt hard limited to one makes me think that its compensation nerfs are probably not quite enough

[craggy girder]

Hell Book is Demon Scythe
Dungeon Book is Water Bolt
Evil Book is "shrug emoji"
Jungle Book is "shrug emoji"

wait does jungle have like

hold on whats the nights ray jungle item

[dense locust]

in fact I think it is exclusively and strictly a buff
oops

[crude geode]

jungle has jungle armour but no magic weapon lol

[craggy girder]

yeah lmfao??????

[crude geode]

bee gun is the closest thing

[dense locust]

welp shifting sands meta ig

[sleek turret]

jungle armor and the nature's gift acc (vital for mage (?))

[crude geode]

also doesn't have a hell equivalent so amber staff and wand of frosting are shoved in

[craggy girder]

what in the living fuck is this recipe

[crude geode]

yep

[craggy girder]

two of these are like. proper-ish.

dungeon and corruption

then the fucking wand of frosting and amber staff, both pre-boss???????????????????????

[dense locust]

evil dungeon ice desert
makes enough sense to me

frosting should probably be hellwing staff but

eh

[craggy girder]

like definitively pre-boss.

not like jungle or hell where you can get more

[crude geode]

really shows the problem with night's edge equivalents, that being half of them not having actually fitting equivalents

[sleek turret]

true maybe we should kill them all

[half imp]

Its fine

Frosting should be Flower of Fire ot Flamelash

Magic Missile could just become Aqua Scepter

[sleek turret]

and also like wand of frosting is a bit eughh there because its a 30 minute gameplay item and not something like hellstone related / hell

[half imp]

If i remember illl do this

[craggy girder]

no like genuinely nights edge book would do better
Demon Scythe, Water Bolt, Either Slime God Book (for evil rep), and Tradewinds (because jungle got Fucked)

[sleek turret]

yea just add flower of fire there,

[craggy girder]

either Tradewinds or I Guess Frost Bolt

i dont like having frost bolt in two lines

so Tradewinds

[crude geode]

flamelash feels more fitting imo

[half imp]

doulvle magic missile type weapon in recipe yay

[dense locust]

well I mean if it becomes aqua scepter then

[crude geode]

^

[obtuse radish]

please buff Tears of Heaven.it deals less damage than Frigidflash Bolt, which is the precondition of Tears of Heaven.

[dense locust]

are you looking at the base damage or are you actually trying the weapon

[obtuse radish]

i tried both yesterday

[dense locust]

I would be more willing to believe that frigidflash is overpowered than that tears is underpowered

[novel belfry]

to be fair, tears doesnt seem to have been reworked unlike its predescessor

which is a shame ngl

[obtuse radish]

i agree both. frigidflash is too strong and tears is too weak

[novel belfry]

those weapons look baller and yet tears of heaven (baller name btw) doesnt get the same glowup

[dense locust]

tears has always been kind of an oddball

given its just kinda completely different from its components

[novel belfry]

yeah

[obtuse radish]

the rework on frost bolt, flare bolt, and frigidflash bolt is extremely outstanding

but after i tried tears of heaven

i have to give up this series

tears is very difficult to handle and its dps is too low

[indigo yacht]

@novel belfry i dont think it worked

@obtuse radish you should read the pins, but regardless this isn't the place to put balance issues, the place to do that is #1178515062030348308

[obtuse radish]

ok

[novel belfry]

?

[indigo yacht]

they didnt read the pins

[novel belfry]

it only works if you ping me right after someone doesnt read the pins

also it was for #calamity-update-talk on the eve of brainstorm release

because a whole lotta people did not read the pins, and i literally got tired and just asked mods to rename me to this

so that people could deal with this more effectively

i remembered waking up the following day to see that i was pinged for a total of 11 times in #calamity-update-talk

[north oracle]

that's not enough tbh

if you keep your name as this for a while the next update will ggeet more i'm sure

[gilded citrus]

People like shroomble

[hollow idol]

one of my few additions to the update (that i remember)
therefore I have the highest average popularity to content added ratio

doesnt 1.4.5 let you keep critters around your town now

[gilded citrus]

Think so
But idk if that lets you pet them

[craggy girder]

condense i think

but yeah i get your point

[humble scarab]

i agree with the terraspark part

[ripe owl]

@opaque abyss you need proper formatting for your suggestion

I'm not sure if it counts as revertion suggestion because technically it isn't

[opaque abyss]

shouldnt it be fine?

[ripe owl]

no

look at the other suggestions

[tiny minnow]

Also mixels. Not that it hugely matters but UI-wise it should be consistent.

[ripe owl]

hell, look at the document pinned in this channel

it tells you how to properly format a suggestion

[opaque abyss]

ok I changed it

[ripe owl]

I'll let the devs decide whether it's actually a fitting suggestion though

[indigo yacht]

the vanilla item recipes one is going to get massacred in voting

[gilded citrus]

Ill vote for it

[tepid crown]

clearly we should commit voter fraud to make it win

[delicate lagoon]

Re the difficulty menu, all the other UI stuff can be dragged around (stealth, wing, adrenalin, rage), but the difficulty selector can't

[drowsy plank]

dragged around =/= scaled

moving it would be fine, scaling it

kinda weird ngl

doesnt even make sense bc it only shows up when ur inventory is open anyway

[indigo yacht]

it does look weirdly large

but that could just be the screen location

[tepid crown]

clearly the solution is to tie the difficulty selector to an item

i cal it... the tormented mind.

[indigo yacht]

@mods ban em

[obsidian nova]

Why does VSS use a moon stone now all of the sudden?

[keen zodiac]

ask doze

[tepid crown]

because its meant to be related to the eclipse now iirc

[dense locust]

I dont really like the terraspark example
items like lava charm and water walking boots are obscenely difficult to come by in normal gameplay, not to mention the claims about terrasparks strength feel fairly overblown, I could see making the recipies more expensive, as some are definnitely far too cheap for what they do, but forcing players to do fucking lava fishing if they want a charm and dont get fairly lucky is not making the game better

@timber hornet

[gilded citrus]

Lava charm can be gotten not too bad via shimmering something

[drowsy plank]

tbf lava charm isnt as bad with magma stone shimmer existing now but water walking boots fucking suckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

can we get fucking uhhhhhhhh

flower boots <-> water walking boots shimmer

[dense locust]

flower boots are about as rare

[drowsy plank]

yeah but jungle planetoids exist too and i feel like u get a lot of them ur never gonna use

plus at least jungle crates have items you actually want so finishing is less miserable

[dense locust]

fair

[drowsy plank]

nobody wants anything from ocean crates other than the boots

[indigo yacht]

half the time i get multiple flower boots and the other half i spend an hour fishing and dont get any

[sleek turret]

don't we get also ocean chest planetoids

[dense locust]

magma stone shimmer still sucks ass though
nobody actually wants to grind imps for like 30 minutes if not more

[drowsy plank]

yes but again

half of the ocean chest loot is dogshit

[sleek turret]

magma stone is obtainable from fire bats

[drowsy plank]

imps give flower not stone

[dense ferry]

Not enough in the slightlest

[drowsy plank]

honestly that's kind of wrose

[sleek turret]

yea

[drowsy plank]

at least imps have a statue

[dense locust]

oh I'm thinking of rose lol

[dense ferry]

Also those are probably being nuked so

The Planetoids I mean

[drowsy plank]

damn

[dense ferry]

Well ok not nuked

As everything

Lotus flowered

[drowsy plank]

then yeah something needs to be done about how shit ocean crates are/how hard water walking are to get for no reason

bc god it sucks to get like

8 tridents

like i already have to fish couldnt the items at least be actually good

[indigo yacht]

expand ocean content suggestion ❤️

[drowsy plank]

at least snowball cannon has an upgrade

[dense locust]

rare drop from mantis shrimp maybe :/

[drowsy plank]

so when u fish up a preboss weapon in the ice biome u dont immediately trash it

[dense locust]

and let them spawn prehardmode again

[drowsy plank]

that's better than nothing ig

[indigo yacht]

every time one of these gets posted it gets flagged instantly

[drowsy plank]

well yeah obvs

making ocean good is on vanilla, cal already has its own biomes to deal with

[sleek turret]

tbf you could keep the recipe but at least make it harder to get, even though its like easy because its just hermes + water walking 🥀

[frail fox]

Calamity doesn’t have enough water

[gilded citrus]

Ocean in vanilla certainly exists

[indigo yacht]

what if there was some sort of new sea full of water

[dense ferry]

OCEAN IS NOT A REAL BIOME

OCEAN IS NOT A REAL BIOME

[dense locust]

1/120 from crabs 1/40 from mantis shrimps
sounds like
fine

[drowsy plank]

honestly yeah

[dense ferry]

IT'S A CUTE LITTLE THING RED MADE TO DECORATE THE BORDER OF THE MAP

[sleek turret]

water walking despite being a crafteable potion it is a very common chest potion loot

[indigo yacht]

i mean it is but it's like the shimmer

aether

[gilded citrus]

Why must an item from it gatekeep terraspark

[sleek turret]

especifically underground layer chests

[indigo yacht]

whatever

[plush flame]

"cute"
please look at a florida ocean and say that again with a straight face

[drowsy plank]

of all the crafts the one i care least about getting removed is water walking. fuck getting water walking boots

the rest are fair game tho

[dense ferry]

Not even that

The Ocean is like

Basically purely a vanity Biome

[drowsy plank]

i mean so is aether

[dense ferry]

It's more like Granite and Marble caves

No Aether has an actual gameplay function in housing Shimmer

[drowsy plank]

aether is def more vanity than ocean, at least ocean has unique drops

[dense ferry]

The Ocean is there to look pretty and have cute critters in it

[drowsy plank]

shimmer exists outside of the aether

the aether is just the fancy shader u get when u have a lot of it underground

[dense ferry]

Whatever

[indigo yacht]

ocean has chests and enemies and crates and items and an event (directly associated at least

[dense ferry]

You get my point

[drowsy plank]

ocean def feels like a minibiome which is fucked bc it has a pylon

[indigo yacht]

the chests aren't unique and not all the items are either

[drowsy plank]

granite/marble pylon when

[sleek turret]

and also duke fishron

[dense locust]

Iig to go through them 1 by 1
aglet can 100% die
anklet I'm kinda iffy on but its not a huge issue if it dies I think
the bottles I think should just be made more expensive
cobalt can die
bobber is fine
flame waker already kinda sucks we do not need more reasons for people to not use it
fledgling is fine

[drowsy plank]

yo wait what if cal added granite/marble crates for the shrine items-

[plush flame]

better idea

[indigo yacht]

oneblock is saved

[plush flame]

2% drop chance from gold/titanium crates

[sleek turret]

I don't really like bottles because you end up not exploring that much the respective biomes, although it is different for cloud in a bottle which can appear on other places outside purity underground layer

[indigo yacht]

sandstorm in a bottle

[sleek turret]

jungle has cabins which have gold chest loot

[indigo yacht]

appears only in pyramids and crates neither of which require any more than the most basic kind of exploration

[drowsy plank]

100 years spent exploring ug desert and you will never find sandstorm bc it's still locked to pyramids

[sleek turret]

yea that is the only one really

[drowsy plank]

blizz i get somewhat at least bc yeah you could look for it

[sleek turret]

the chance for it appearing on crates could increased imo

[drowsy plank]

true

[indigo yacht]

vanilla has a recipe for sandstorm already just change it to be less stupid

why is it hardmode locked

[drowsy plank]

bc uhhhhhhh
vanilla only adds recipes for things after they're useless

also i love how it uses

[dense locust]

carpet is fine
make frog leg 10 frogs again cowards
skates can die
charm should just be more expensive
horseshoe should require sunplate or something
rose should be pricier or just die
is radar even still in the game
walking can feasably get another obtainment method
flower idk
hand warmers should be available in some form because making them seasonal locked is boring
hermes idk

[drowsy plank]

the non-renewable cloud in a bottle as the component

why the fuck is cloud not in a crate yet

[indigo yacht]

converting cloud in a bottle is pretty interesting like why is it-

[indigo yacht]

i think frog leg should just be like 8x as common when fishing in the jungle and no recipe

surface jungle

it might get annoying when fishing for potion fish

[sleek turret]

yea radar should get killed honestly

like why??? I thought they removed the recipe when I started playing BS

[frail fox]

Carpet has to exist because Auric ❤️

[dense locust]

step stool needs to exist because its no longer in chests iirc
shimmer loop is fine
balloon is fine given you still need fucking 3 of them for bundle
loot swaps are fine but maybe should be hardmode locked

[sleek turret]

horseshoe needs to have stuff linked to floating islands I agree

[indigo yacht]

me when i have to pause making my interdimensional god killing armor set of technology and magic and despair to go try and find a FUCKIGN carpet

[sleek turret]

it did at some point didn't it though

[frail fox]

Save us everything rework

[dense locust]

yes
got made just gold when horseshoe was made regular chest loot
and then just never changed when it was moved back

[sleek turret]

wait why isn't step stool no longer in surface chests

[dense locust]

replaced with kylie

[indigo yacht]

sometimes i forget that horseshoe isn't in gold chests and then have a miniature existential crisis

[golden sonnet]

carpet recipe is dead on sight when auric no longer has carpet

[sleek turret]

I'd argue step stool could still exist in surface chests if it was secondary loot

[eternal escarp]

its 100% a biome it has a tag in the bestiary and an icon and a theme and a background an

[indigo yacht]

counterpoint: literally who cares

step stool is inventory filler

[dense locust]

then you just have fledgling situation again
where its either a garuntee you find it early or theres a good chance you just never see it

[frail fox]

5% crit step stool got killed right

[plush flame]

its valuable jump height buddy

[indigo yacht]

you put one on at the start of the game for a reforge then trash it and never use it again

[dense locust]

yes unfortunately

[frail fox]

Tragic

[eternal escarp]

step stool has a higher jump and its peak for building

[sleek turret]

step stool is used in the hand of creation recipe

[eternal escarp]

its not JUST the reforge it has

[indigo yacht]

we're going to kill u

[plush flame]

dont you EVER get caught dissing stepstool ever again

[sleek turret]

tbf its like

the other surface chest accessory

the vine one

[indigo yacht]

step stool should give you jump height and speed by default

and u dont need to do some dumb shit to get it

and also be green

and also

[eternal escarp]

it doesnt have speed though

[indigo yacht]

i know it doesn't

[eternal escarp]

also its not really dumb shit its just using it lets you use it (shock)

[frail fox]

Boost attack speed by 50%

[eternal escarp]

the item that gives you a slightly elevated platform when you press UP lets you jump from the elevated platform

[sleek turret]

its kinda useful when you don't have anything on the first 30 minutes of gameplay

[eternal escarp]

its a neat early accessory which is basically what it was made for yeah

[plush flame]

oh yeah did marnite architect platform sprite hitbox desync get fixed yet

[sleek turret]

its really micro situation dependant

also cobalt shield still has a recipe?

[dense locust]

yes

[eternal escarp]

im full on the sugg's board btw i think theyre spitting facts
a lot of the items are already available by playing the game and i can only think of very few of these that actually take a while & are important on-time

[sleek turret]

true

[eternal escarp]

okay im going through recipes now
why does cal just add 20 souls of flight to the lunar recipes that doesnt do anything, is fixing for consistancy even relevent

[dense locust]

I am not on board on account of I do not have a lot of faith that items that should still have alternate or easier obtainment will actually get it

[sleek turret]

also this might be important to consider for cobalt shield: https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Talk:Gold_Chest#Dungeon_drop_rates

[eternal escarp]

looking at the list a lot of them already do, by vanilla

[sleek turret]

I think it is coded that you are guaranteed to have at least one cobalt shield per world

[dense locust]

like I fully expect that if this goes through sandstorm will stay a fucking 1/35 from crates

[indigo yacht]

PLEASE no i need my bohb 💔 💔 💔

[eternal escarp]

vanilla

[dense locust]

does not count

[eternal escarp]

why not

you dont need bob immediately

[indigo yacht]

it's hardmode 😔

i prefer to have fun in phm

[dense locust]

1% of the playerbase is using bundle in hardmode

[indigo yacht]

meeeee

[frail fox]

For when we all craft MOAB

[eternal escarp]

you can still have fun with the rest of the available items in the game

[sleek turret]

you could just, increase the chance for sandstorm in a bottle appear on crates or make it part of the "always drops 1 of these" crate group

[indigo yacht]

ok but i want bohb

i think the recipe should be tweaked to be phm since you still need to find a cloud bottle and that seems thematic

[eternal escarp]

i think people focus too much on getting the high effort accessory but not realize they dont always need to have it immediately
sometimes you just get unlucky and either have to work for it or wait for when its easier

[sleek turret]

just either increase the chance for sandstorm in a bottle to appear or move it to the always drop one group

[indigo yacht]

which is why i like there being a consistent way to get it

[dense locust]

this is not a good arguement in the case of bundle I'm sorry

[indigo yacht]

it doesn't need to be as easy as it is now

[eternal escarp]

yeah and there is, just not immediately as when its available normally

[dense locust]

for the vast majority of players the vanilla sandstorm recipe is obtained far too late to be useful

[indigo yacht]

and this is a good thing?

[dense locust]

and ignoring the recipe there is no reasonable obtainment method besides "just get good worldgen lol"

[eternal escarp]

i dont really see why BoB is any different personally, usually the 1 jump from other accessories is more than enough for preHM fights
or skyline wings which cal adds later

[sleek turret]

true

[eternal escarp]

yeah, if you want the item immediately you should actually look for it
recipes are more of a pity system than the alternative method

[dense locust]

skyline existing is exactly why bob should be consistently obtainable
the point is to not pidgeonhole people into using skyline

[indigo yacht]

if there wasn't a recipe for sandstorm i would probably end up doing some dumb shit like resetting worlds to get a pyramid which call it a hunch but i dont think cal (vanilla is its own issue) wants to encourage that

[misty lichen]

why does bob still need aerialite bars

[indigo yacht]

this is just me i assume, but it still shouldn't be something that happens

[sleek turret]

asking the TRUE questions

[eternal escarp]

i mean thats on you because you could still just fish

[indigo yacht]

how often do you fish for biome crates

[eternal escarp]

a lot actually

[indigo yacht]

with or without qol?

[misty lichen]

just get 35 oasis crates gro

[dense locust]

anybody who actually brings up the fishing recipe has never actually tried to get it through fishing without heavy qol

[fossil finch]

To be fair u could do something to skyline instead but

[eternal escarp]

i fish in the desert for long periods anyway because its consistant T2 food, occasional pearls and usually just a prebuilt lake

[indigo yacht]

i fish without qol and like it's not that bad honestly but I've had some really fucking annoying experiences

[fossil finch]

im not a fan of the whole thing tbh like it's kinda

[dense locust]

I am fully in the camp that aerospec in general should die but so long as its in the game I dont see it realistically changing

[eternal escarp]

but either way like

[indigo yacht]

if you just keep the fact u need to fish in the back or ur mind you can get gear pretty easily then you just sit back and watch the monitor and click occasionally

[eternal escarp]

id still rather an increase to the rate of sandstorm within crates, than having the recipe

[fossil finch]

bob isn't a necessity but like people will want to go for it and with skyline existing it's like nobody's going to grind for bob even if it's technically better because tbh most players won't really like see that much of a difference in the end

[eternal escarp]

the recipe is just a shortcut thats makes the normal methods irrelevent

[dense locust]

^

the normal method is finding a pyramid that has one which is still far more convenient

forcing people to wait for hardmode or spend an hour fishing if they want sandstorm is not good for the game

[eternal escarp]

the offchance you dont get one in normal loot the method would be to craft it later or fish
crafting it at the very tier you can get it & want it is a boring shortcut imo

[indigo yacht]

blizzard in a bottle is the true mvp we dont need a recipe for that i think

[dense locust]

this is just an awful argument I'm sorry
"if you get unlucky you should be punished harder"
like

[eternal escarp]

mlike im all for this option instead

im just saying the flat out recipe is bad

[eternal escarp]

not really punished harder just if you want it now, go and work for it
if you can wait for it, then yeah you can get it easier later

it would only be punished hard if the item was outright required to play the game and if thats the case

theres a different issue entirely

theres other jump accessories its not like its the only one in the game

[indigo yacht]

it's not really an off-chance, pyramids aren't guaranteed to generate in a world and while the exact rates aren't something anyone really knows extrapolating off context you could probably get like a roughly... 40-60% chance of one appearing in a world
furthermore, getting it is only a 5/9 chance (including the chance of getting the pharaoh set)

[eternal escarp]

all of pyramid loot can shimmer but i understand not counting that, unlikely youd find your shimmer that early in the game

[indigo yacht]

the wiki says it was like 15% in 1.2 and it's been increased since then so idrk

[eternal escarp]

oh actually its only the mask yeah nvm

thought it was a triangle thing

[indigo yacht]

it should be a triangle 💔

i wish it were

[eternal escarp]

byeah

[dense locust]

large worlds have around a 50/50 chance at a pyramid last I checkd

[drowsy plank]

unless cal adds guarnteed pyramid sandstorm needs a prehm recipe, and even then it still needs to be easier to get because oh my god imagine trying to fish for sandstorms for an entire server it would be miserable

[dense locust]

so ~37% of worlds will have a chest that contains either a sandstorm or a pharoh set

[indigo yacht]

that'd be a roughly 27% chance to get sandstorm

did i do my math wrong

[golden sonnet]

I am actively doing this right now in a vanilla world. It is in fact miserable

1/35!!!!!

[fossil finch]

You forgot to add the other 10%

[indigo yacht]

what other 10%

[drowsy plank]

why the fuck is sandstorm even so special at this point just put it in the fucking desert chests like scarab rod which is also not in there for some fucking reason

[fossil finch]

The other 10%

[indigo yacht]

oh ok that clears it up

[eternal escarp]

i think they just forgot ngl

[fossil finch]

Not going to lie this is a better solution than literally every other

[indigo yacht]

1/2 * 5/9

would be lower for medium worlds

[eternal escarp]

and yeah

[dense locust]

why 5/9

[drowsy plank]

this is not a forget they added the shimmer for a reason this is clearly on purpose at this point and i think cal should just make the executive decision and say "fuck it this thing isn't special"

it doesnt matter what red wants it to be atp

[indigo yacht]

wiki said sandstorm was 4/9 and carpet is 4/9 so presumably the pharoah set is 1/9

from pyramid chests

[eternal escarp]

becoming desert loot is better than the cheapout recipe i really dislike the cheapout recipes

[sleek turret]

5/9 is for celebrationmk10 worlds

[indigo yacht]

if it was desert loot that would be cool

[indigo yacht]

eh

what

[dense locust]

it is indeed

[dense locust]

no

carpet is the one thats 5/9 in clbmk10

[frail fox]

What is this 😭

[fossil finch]

wish it was possible for calamity to change the behavior of the playerbase it's grown because this just wouldn't matter if people didn't see bob as obligatory

[eternal escarp]

AI relics 😭

[north oracle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1054097550577254440/1467721415435489515/OzzzAR7777T222.gif

This is one solution for sprite hell

[plush flame]

maulwires

[north oracle]

Its a bad one

[vestal crater]

Never thought I would see ai in suggestion posting

[dense locust]

its not that bob is obligatory its that I think being able to play with every option available to you reliably is good I think

[frail fox]

They’re calling it the worst suggestion of all time

[plush flame]

just have ai make the sprites surely this will improve productivity tenfold

[drowsy plank]

it would because no one would use bobh when skylines exist unless you want to remove skyline and even then this is already kind of true in vanilla because who the fuck is obtaining bohb in vanilla unless you purposefully stay in prehm long enough to get it

[indigo yacht]

add ai to calamity mod

[fossil finch]

Eh we think it's okay for some options to be luck based

[eternal escarp]

terraria is all riddled with random loot / drops / chances

[frail fox]

That’s ai in my Calamity mod

[fossil finch]

We mean if u get lucky with a pyramid the rest of bob is trivial

[eternal escarp]

sometimes you dont get what you wanted fast or easily and thats fine imo

[obsidian nova]

Am I the only one who actually likes falcon blade?

[drowsy plank]

@alpine cradle im not even allowing that; don't post AI generated concept art and also that suggestion has no reasoning

[eternal escarp]

power to you honestly

youre awesome

[fossil finch]

In any case just put the sandstorm in the chest

[drowsy plank]

"The Falcon Blade is a pre-Hardmode broadsword that has a 38/625 (6.08%) chance of being obtained from Iron Crates"

[eternal escarp]

^ yeah

[north oracle]

Also no incentives for playing malice, you suffer for Nothing

[eternal escarp]

and kill the cheapout recipe 🔥

[indigo yacht]

that's not the issue here the issue is that the alternative is shitty odds, if the alternative was something you had to work for then it would probably be a different story

like sandstorm in chests you actually have to look for those

[eternal escarp]

i mean thats still true for 90% of the items that have cheapout recipes

i can concede that its a pretty annoying chance and i did say id rather the chance be increased instead of the shortcut of the recipe existing
or making it desert loot period thats also a better change

most of the other items definitely have decent enough alternative though

[dense locust]

I think overall the ones I 100% think should retain more consistent obtainment (even if its not a craft) are:
balloon
sandstorm
lava charm
water walking boots
step stool
hand warmer
flower boots
fledgling wings
flame waker boots

[eternal escarp]

naw balloon is a 1/4 from the crates

[dense locust]

oh is it 1.4

[eternal escarp]

maybe?

[dense locust]

I thought it was 1/10

lol

[eternal escarp]

lol

it got WORSE actually

[obsidian nova]

Wait hold on a second
Is falcon blade's movement speed increase still a thing?

[frail fox]

Make Scavengers trade all of these, easy

[obsidian nova]

The fargos one?

[eternal escarp]

probably because the lootpool got another item

[eternal escarp]

this isnt fargos 🦑

[dense locust]

ok then get rid of that one

lmao

[golden sonnet]

to be fair, if you fish even a decent amount you get enough balloon pufferfish to shimmer into ballooons

[dense locust]

those shimmer into balloons?

til

[eternal escarp]

lava charm you can shimmer a magma stone / vice versa

and those are pretty fine to farm for

[dense locust]

I dont agree but ok

[obsidian nova]

What was it I forgot

[eternal escarp]

disregarding the fishing method too

lava fishing is indeed annoyingly slow

wish out of anything they changed that

yeah those are all my contestions to your list

the rest are valid

imo

[dense locust]

I think it should be easier on account of "it does not deserve to be this fucking rare for an item that is just a shittier potion

[eternal escarp]

sandstorms?

i think if lava charm is to keep the recipe it shouldnt be preboss at the very least

[dense locust]

thats fair

[eternal escarp]

if people want it early they should still work for it

[obsidian nova]

Oh right
I thought you were talking about falcon blade

[eternal escarp]

oh lmao

[obsidian nova]

?

[eternal escarp]

i have No Idea

[dense locust]

I think like
5 diamonds
20 obsidian
12 demonite/crimtane
3 lava buckets
and then like maybe some pearl shards or something

[sleek turret]

idk just put it like post-eow and make it use hellstone honestly

[eternal escarp]

demonite crimtane is kinda too early to me still
hell in itselfs is a "post evils" kindof biome

idve put it behind skel atleast

[sleek turret]

demonite/crimtane alredy has pre-boss stuff you can craft despite it being scarce and technically considered post-eoc

[eternal escarp]

myeah also true

either way

idve also argued water walking boot recipe should be atleast minorly postponed

seeing the recipe its like really nothing

[sleek turret]

yea

its very easy if you plan ahead because water walking potions are obtainable from chest loots across biomes except surface chests

[eternal escarp]

(also no one drinks those anyway so youd always stockpile them)

[sleek turret]

also leather in cal is dropped by that one ice biome enemy and the recipe for leather uses less rotten flesh/vertebrae I think

[eternal escarp]

its 5 chunks in vanilla

idk if cal edits it

[sleek turret]

it is 2 chunks in cal I think

[eternal escarp]

if theres another recipe i really have a peeve its the bloody tear one
the vanilla alternative method is actually really cool and the recipe kinda really easy

but atleast it requires a blood moon to have occured once so

not the worst thing

[eternal escarp]

ah yeah i see it now

[sleek turret]

It could have hermes boots in its recipe or maybe sailfish

[drowsy plank]

@smoky egret reversion + no reasoning

[eternal escarp]

true

[smoky egret]

main reason for it is that it takes away one of the primary advantages of asgard's valor, namely that it lets you combine ankh shield with a dash accessory, so you get a free slot. as it currently is, i see no real advantsge to using asgard's valor or asgardian aegis over solely ornate shield or elysian aegis.

[drowsy plank]

the vanilla alternative method is also ass to do
at least with the recipe you can just use the blood orbs that drop way more consistently to make it using a graveyard even if you have been unlucky and havent gotten a blood moon yet

i will defend it more if blood tears become consumable again bc oh my god getting them via the abysmal bride/groom drop rates would be even worse

[smoky egret]

they are consumable in 2.1

[eternal escarp]

ive done it recently in 1.4.5 it wasnt too bad

[drowsy plank]

im sorry blast but you seem to have a much higher tolerance for grinding than most people and from what ive seen it sucks

[eternal escarp]

🦑

maybe

[sleek turret]

maybe, if anything cal could just increase chances

[eternal escarp]

^

[sleek turret]

33.3% doesn't sound too bad

[eternal escarp]

i think in most cases the better option would be making the existing method nicer, rather than shortcutting it

[drowsy plank]

they have higher defense values and farther dashes, as well as doing more damage with a stronger debuff which is why they are upgrade bc they. you know. upgrade the dash. which is kind of the point of upgrades. you could make the same arguement for a ton of items and it wouldnt make it any more reasonable to add ankh into them for some reason

[gilded citrus]

They have bigger dashes and the aegiss protect from more threatening debuffs

Dont think the ankh shield even did allat since it protected from debuffs that werent used by post plant you get the shield

[eternal escarp]

its the enemy's spawnrate itself thats the hassle

[sleek turret]

true

[eternal escarp]

increasing their rate in graveyards would be fine

[smoky egret]

the dash does effectively zero damage relative to the weapon, and the dash's main use has almost always been for avoiding contact damage

[indigo yacht]

slagsplitter pauldron damage should scale with dash damage

[drowsy plank]

if they also make it so maggot zombies can drop it like how they can drop blood orbs rn id be fine with it
like if they make it a 1% drop from maggot zombies like how blood zombies have a 1% chance to drop it and increase bride and groom drop chances to 33% then i think that would be fine

[smoky egret]

the only advantage they give in that respect is knockback immunity, which ankh shield already gives, and a slight increase in ram frames

[indigo yacht]

kb immunity is very good

[drowsy plank]

the dashes are longer too which is kind of

[gilded citrus]

Still longer dash is good

[drowsy plank]

the main point of upgrading a dash

which you sort of ignored

[smoky egret]

ankh shield still has immunity to it

[eternal escarp]

thatd be neat yeah

[drowsy plank]

there's no reason for them to have ankh in them

[indigo yacht]

aren't you comparing valor to ornate

[smoky egret]

its pre-2.1 valor to 2.1 valor

[gilded citrus]

Yes but what does ankh shield do thats relevant at that tier cause last i heard the debuffs it resist just arent relevant at that tier and onwards

[smoky egret]

and 2.1 ornate to 2.1 valor

[indigo yacht]

this doesn't matter

what something was is irrelevant, only what it is is relevant

and if you're comparing ornate as it is and valor as it is kb immunity is a big advantage

[smoky egret]

debuff immunity is enough of a qol that i'll always take it over any sort of damage

[drowsy plank]

ok man