suggestions-discussion

[sleek turret]

also they did remove the projectile from true excal right

[lost spire]

Plantera dies hard to true night's and darklight and those are ranged

[drowsy plank]

if you mean the pre-1.4 projectile it used to shoot yeah

[sleek turret]

so its only the nights edge that has the funny projectile

[drowsy plank]

it's just true melee

[mystic sandal]

i think true excal is pretty good

true melee just has a REALLY big balancing issue rn

which isnt really possible to fix in a suggestion lol

[sleek turret]

its fine in vanilla I think

[drowsy plank]

projectile true melee in the sense that it uses a projectile to draw the sword but still just normal

[dense locust]

dont worry, they can always make it worse!

[drowsy plank]

true excal is fine, it's base excal that lacks a niche atm

[mystic sandal]

and this is how we end up with subshocker

[drowsy plank]

since chloro and hallowed are the same tier in cal

[tepid crown]

do a beam sword and entirely rebalance excal

[drowsy plank]

goofy
doesnt solve it being an instagrade either

true excal will prolly just get bumped forward a bit

[sleek turret]

its hard to put weapons at that stage considering most stuff is like an instagrade of the other

[dense locust]

still dont like this solution but it is ultimately the most likely

[drowsy plank]

maybe it gets ashes of calamity in its recipe idk

[mystic sandal]

ashes of calamity is like the only solution i think since terra blade is post-plant right

[drowsy plank]

i know doze has been thinking about something like that

[sleek turret]

yea terra blade is after plantera

[drowsy plank]

i liked the old "make first mech drop shimmer locked excal" but this is fine too

[dense locust]

I think its lame as hell that devs see an imbalance between the 2 weapons and the devs thought is to nerf the better one rather than to buff the worse one

[mystic sandal]

change rox shimmer to be excalibur if real

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[dense locust]

it doesnt fix excal being dogshit it just makes it so true ex is bad too

[drowsy plank]

you can rebalance them to be good but they need to not be on the same tier first for that to work

[sleek turret]

in vanilla it works because fine you get the standard good sword for the 2 remaining mechs and then the upgrade and then you use it for plantera and get terra blade

[dense locust]

its a true melee ore sword we both know they arn't gonna actually do that

[sleek turret]

it just happens cal ore changes forces excalibur be placed in the same tier as true excalibur

which is the one that uses souls right? or was it chlorophyte bars

[severe sparrow]

that's just because current dog fight sucks turbo ass rn

[drowsy plank]

tne is souls

[keen zodiac]

cal doesn't do anything to it

[sleek turret]

right

[keen zodiac]

that's all vanilla game design

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[keen zodiac]

thank you relogic very cool

[sleek turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/886673434074054719/1458325065191129099/togif.gif

[crude geode]

Vanilla game design gave us moons and early hm ores, truly impeccable

[sleek turret]

the idea of hardmode being a start from zero thing again like starting a new world

[half imp]

Wait cook

• and sniper scope and grape beer

[drowsy plank]

ill take anything to kill the moon refights no matter absurd

[keen zodiac]

hype

[half imp]

I actually had a similar idea

of a supermoon event that's just all 4 moon events at once

This suggestion to nerf zenith doesn't really provide any reason it should be nerfed

I think personally zenith should stay where it is as it is thematically a fitting point for the weapon symbolizing the culmination of your journey to be

[keen zodiac]

holy peam

[half imp]

also I think zenith would be considerably less interesting post ml compared to post yharon

based on who it has to work against

[keen zodiac]

yeah there's already like 7 swords directly postml

[half imp]

plus 2 of those are part of zenith, making post ml zenith an insta grade which is lame

[indigo yacht]

i think it's not getting flagged because rover wants to see what the devs think now that fabsol is gone

i brought it up earlier and it didn't seem to be an active consideration

[half imp]

fair

[north oracle]

i'm with doze here yea i'm not opposed to this going to devs to get shot down again, but this suggestion is just bad anyway

[hybrid lichen]

upon thinking about it more deeply, it reads like a S.R.S. so I deleted it

[lucid marsh]

Hey so like

I have this idea for a suggestion that's sorta riding the line on breaking the rules but not entirely? I'm not totally sure

I was thinking "hey that weapon called the Phangasm has kind of a weird name. Maybe that should be changed"

And then I thought of a really good name for it that would work even better if it had one ingredient swapped for something basically equivalent

[glass arch]

just suggest it get renamed

[lucid marsh]

Yeah but like

I want to suggest they rename it to the Penumbra Phantasm and make it crafted with darksun fragments instead of nightmare fuel

Because if the suggestion is just "remove the sex joke" what's the point

That's so boring

[errant wren]

i would drop the material thing and just focus on renaming, honestly

[ripe owl]

You have a problem
It needs to be solved

this is literally what this channel is for is it not

[lucid marsh]

I mean I guess

[oblique birch]

Already done for BS

[frail fox]

Kiri I’m gonna destroy you

[oblique birch]

Snail

[lucid marsh]

The thing is, I don't actually have a problem with the current name. I just want to make the name something cool that I like

[ripe owl]

well how about the rest of us?

[lucid marsh]

Yes good point

Ok I'll make the suggestion

[ripe owl]

nah

[frail fox]

To be clear

[ripe owl]

gals already mentioned it's been change

oh yeah riftburst

[lucid marsh]

Oh

Oops

Nevermind then

[oblique birch]

U still had to explained anyways so do not destroy me

[frail fox]

I’ll consider it

[ripe owl]

is it... even possible?

[buoyant tangle]

I kinda remember Nameless Deity having pretty effects that sync with the light slash attack/end of the fight, though i'm not sure how easy those are to program

[drowsy plank]

infernum made it's own achievements too, it's really all dependant on tmod support for it

though i think they might've added it since last update

[craggy girder]

see this'd be Real Cool

imagine fighting Yharon and your Keyboard starts like

flaming

[buoyant tangle]

can it be used as a warning for when DoG does the laser wall because i can never nail down the timing

[hollow shell]

Aww man :(

[keen zodiac]

locking a telegraph behind having a certain keyboard is

An Idea

[craggy girder]

i think they mean Along With

like if they're about to laser, the keyboard flashes twice

[buoyant tangle]

^^ i absolutely did NOT mean to insinuate locking the telegraph behind an rgb keyboard

[keen zodiac]

good suggestion

froge

[polar bison]

I thought that was its fate anyways , no?

Since it’s turning into aqueous hunter drone

[severe sparrow]

that's what I believe too
imma go double check on the ufcd

cant find it

[polar bison]

Yeah I know I forgot to put it because I wasn’t sure if it was sticking around

I didn’t know if they gutted the idea

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/404775224106811412/1240555956983566346/the_frot_consumes.gif

Yeah I found it

[boreal lichen]

embedless

[polar bison]

I got warned once and now I can’t embed

I can’t even remember what for

OH it was for circulating the Fabsol doc here I’m psure

Yeah no checked my modmail dms that’s exactly why

Can I have the perms baaack 🥺

[glass arch]

embed perms off warned dont matter they're disabled here anyways

[ripe owl]

no :walterheisenbergwhite:

wait til the warn is over

[polar bison]

When does the warn end this was during May 😭

Was it May? It was when the Fabsol thing happened

[sleek turret]

Yes

[glad tundra]

[sleek turret]

25th of May exactly, doc started circulating around one to two days after right

It took us 2 days right?

[ripe owl]

wtf

no it was literally recently

you're delusional

[sleek turret]

oh wasn't it because you posted something fabsol/shayy weird stuff in CUT actually,

[ripe owl]

yes it was, now let's not drag it out any longer

[sleek turret]

https://tenor.com/view/whiplash-milesteller-jksimmons-gif-5318251

[half imp]

RGB keyboard support would require devs to have RGB keyboards that are supported

so we can like.. Make sure it works

@lost spire Star Swallower pet is already planned

also wow typing @‌frogs and clicking and then getting @‌gayraccongirl was not what I was expecting

I had to double check I clicked the right person lol

[polar bison]

Frog lesbian

[lost spire]

WHOOOO YEAH LETS GO

And yeah I chose the username a while back and haven't bothered to change it yet

[buoyant tangle]

can i offer mine for beta testing /j

[errant wren]

mans is trying to get dev builds

[tiny minnow]

Or doesn’t want a rgb keyboard any more

[fossil finch]

Lucille made a debug ui element to check it out for wotg, we guess you could do that too

[vocal grotto]

^
The Terraria.GameContent.RGB.DebugKeyboard type exists for precisely that purpose

[buoyant tangle]

maybe i need to learn terraria spaghetti code... to try myself...

[kind laurel]

Penumbra’s eternally cursed to never exist in anything sadly

[severe sparrow]

penumbra will never fully exist before toby's fever dream is finally realized

[keen zodiac]

!wiki penumbra

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Penumbra

[keen zodiac]

[kind laurel]

I stand corrected

[kind laurel]

Except Tricky Tony shot it dead in a Detroit alleyway like twice already

[young crown]

God I believe refers to a title more than a descriptor. Therefore the Mom analogy does not make sense here, because in reality it would be like King of Blank versus king of Blank- it depends...

[kind laurel]

As far as I can tell, "She is a god" and "She is a mom" are basically the same thing grammar-wise
(I did clarify that actual names like Slime God were exempt from this in this channel after posting)

[golden sonnet]

I think regardless of the arbitrary choice made by the lore writers, it at the very least brought to light the fact it's currently inconsistent in calamity

[sleek turret]

isn't this because in abrahamic religions the God is mention is always written in capital G

[golden sonnet]

I personally don't care either way

[craggy girder]

i remember reading somewhere the difference between God and god is that if you use God, you use it either for The Bible One or you use it With a Title

like Slime God is Slime (primary) God (title)

[young crown]

Hmmmm

[craggy girder]

something like "the gods were wiped out" is not a title

its just mentioning The Concept of a God

[young crown]

"the Gods were wiped out" could be referring to their role or title too, just omitting the second half

[craggy girder]

this implies we are specifically referring to the title God

like saying "the God of Thunder and God of Sacrifice" is Proper since you are using their title

[sleek turret]

or at least from what I read in the Bible the title of God is always written in a specific uppercase character way, unless it varies through editions

[young crown]

thats because God is the name there i think

proper noun in that case

[errant wren]

that would be accurate to say yes

[kind laurel]

It's not even consistent

DoG refers to it with lowercase

Draedon does too iirc (lemme check)

[sleek turret]

Yes

[young crown]

i suppose those are little details that get past along with multiple contributors

[kind laurel]

confirmed

[young crown]

found out this response from certain pagan communities: Some people feel that pronouns alone imply a proper noun for divinity.

[kind laurel]

"You are no god... but I shall feast upon your essence regardless!"
"You will face my creations which have surpassed gods."
But also
"Having slain my first Gods, I turned a blind eye as corrupt essence gushed from their rent forms and burrowed into the bowels of Terraria."
"Unlike the many Gods you or I know, it is guiltless."

[kind laurel]

(add "His bold claim that no God can match his work is, however… incorrect." if you think I'm only talking about plurals here)

[craggy girder]

im noticing that Yharim spells gods with capitalization

but yea i am noticing my reasoning is semi-valid

[kind laurel]

If anything it would be the other way around
He's a spiteful guy

(most likely it's just that lore item writer(s) and dialogue writer(s) capitalize differently)

[craggy girder]

DoG just eats gods, generalistically

[boreal lichen]

i believe one of them already confirmed this to be the case

[craggy girder]

this is likely

[fossil finch]

We don't think you can choose how to capitalize a letter when you're talking

does he just go THOSE STUPID gods

[kind laurel]

I know
Just saying that if they wanted to make Yharim specil for some reason it would be the other way around

[serene vapor]

#suggestions-posting message seems more like a Calamities Vanities thing

[glass arch]

calval existing does not mean calamity cant have vanity items 🥹

[indigo yacht]

ong ...

[half imp]

oh this is great info thank you

[half imp]

it depends - but either way we've already adjusted to be consistent (only capitalized when a proper noun)

so it would be like "the gods were all exploded", and "the God of Slime was squishy"

[crude geode]

could you imagine if the God of Slime wasn't squishy

[drowsy plank]

the God of Slime was left out of the refrigerator too long and hardened

[half imp]

God of Slime vs God of Going Stale

[urban berry]

Would it be considered a useless suggestion to add lyrics appearing on screen timed with Roar Of The Jungle Dragon as top of the screen lyrics?

[craggy girder]

that'd be for a Not Calamity mod moreso

[drowsy plank]

isnt there already a mod that shows the lyrics of songs with lyrics or am i just hallucinating that

[sleek turret]

Hallucinating

[ripe owl]

You might be thinking of the Music Display, but it only displays the track playing

[obsidian nova]

5039*

Because it's goated
My favorite PHM movement accessory

[obsidian nova]

[tiny minnow]

no, poo blocks are vanilla.

[sleek turret]

they're adding poo boulders in 1.4.5

[sleek sable]

hmm

[grave zinc]

@steel root - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[More Hooks!]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@sleek sable - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove the Wulfrum Hovercraft’s and Drone’s ability to travel through blocks]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@jade crane - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a more involved dialogue system]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

wow i cant wait for the wulfrum drone one to pass and nothing else

[coral carbon]

The dialogue one is planned future content how did that make it to dev

[craggy girder]

it was the mighty eagle

look at his pfp

[grave zinc]

@jade crane - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a more involved dialogue system]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[frail fox]

Hi dog

[half imp]

Can't wait for the day when we get suggestions suggested that weren't already done in dev

[coral carbon]

Rework brain of cthulhu 1 million beast bux

[urban berry]

The only one I can confirm and remember was my hostile turret placeability

[sleek sable]

can't tell if this means you're supportive of it or not

i do think the other two are reasonable

the dialogue one was already approved of

[drowsy plank]

more hooks isnt getting in and the dialogue one should've been locked but it wasnt and idr why

[sleek sable]

mm

[urban berry]

Petition for the devs to add a Dik-Dik pet

[tiny minnow]

Ask calval

[glass arch]

calval existing does not mean calmain cannot have vanity items

good god people its like you see a specialization addon and think "nothing else can do this thing EVER"

[tiny minnow]

Fair

[half imp]

i mean

I already plan to add at least one hook

so technically yes it is getting in

[kind laurel]

Out of curiosity, why aren’t there any hooks? Do the devs think no one uses them and it’s just a waste to implement or are they worried it will cause balance issues?

[humble scarab]

there are 2 hooks

but im pretty sure its because there are better things devs want to focus on

vanilla already adds good enough amount of hooks

[half imp]

95% chance it's just because we haven't bothered

[kind laurel]

I know

Just asking about more

[kind laurel]

That makes sense

[indigo yacht]

when my hook suggestion got denied nobody offered any reasoning as to why so idk

if i had to guess it's probably just because the devs think it would be basically pointless

since hook progression is more or less just like... diamond -> bat -> festive/spooky -> lunar -> bobbit and everything else is just worse besides like hook or dissonance

i can kinda see it but i still think that making hooks that have different strengths (maybe one that's faster but with a shorter range) would be more interesting, although then again i don't think it would matter that much

[kind laurel]

There still room for more Post-Moon Lord hooks imo
Lunar -> Bobbit is 4 bosses and Bobbit -> finish the game is another 4

[errant wren]

hook that's basically a bad ramdash when it starts pulling the player

[craggy girder]

upgrade to lunar hook made of tarragon that pulls you towards enemies and slams you through them

[kind laurel]

Actually sounds sick

[tiny minnow]

There’s 3 including the Wulfrum one.

[grave zinc]

@jade crane - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a more involved dialogue system]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[boreal lichen]

minor spelling mistake (also wasnt this just accepted)

[golden sonnet]

it was already done with a thing

[sleek sable]

it's a fundamentally different tool and it can't be put in the hook slot (for some fuckin reason) so i can understand why it wasn't considered

[tiny minnow]

I thought you could.
Oh wait I’m thinking of the robo helmet thing

[half imp]

i already had it ping for being implemented lol

thanks suggestion bot

[drowsy plank]

a

@scarlet musk you can't just send the same suggestion again and expect it to pass

[scarlet musk]

yep just remembered that lmao

[drowsy plank]

fair

[scarlet musk]

i thought it had gotten flagged

it was sitting in my suggestions posting text box

what are the rules on reposting a suggestion that made it to the devs and they denied it

mmh now i wonder what their reasoning was

[drowsy plank]

you can ping a dev i guess

[scarlet musk]

ok lol

[drowsy plank]

i asked about getting reasoning added to the suggestions but idk if that went anywhere

[scarlet musk]

@half imp sorry this waz like hella long ago and i dunno if u had anything to do with the consensus but do u remember what the reasoning was for this? m curious

[indigo yacht]

idk if there are any specific rules but what I've seen is that if there's a reasonable chance they might vote the other way now then you can repost it

so, if it's been a long time, or a particularly outspoken dev changed their mind/left, or something

[scarlet musk]

i see

[half imp]

I don't remember much about the discussion if there was one

my personal opinion is that there is no need to add prehardmode launchers - balancing concerns with the ammo aside, one of launcher's purposes is to be a new cool subclass you unlock later in the game

I also don't think Calamity should be moving launchers earlier in hardmode like it does tbh

[craggy girder]

i do partially agree on the front of locking launchers to hardmode (going from guns to Basically Guns With Bombs Attached is very Rock Metal) but having some post mech 1 launchers would be Neat

having one in pre-hm sounds like it'd be a pseudo launcher? so not real rockets but it functions similarly

Anyways Yeah

[oblique birch]

Why specificially post Mech 1

We already have some around that

Doesn't need it for a subclass to get new options at every tier

[craggy girder]

Sure it does everything needs subclasses at every tier

Source: the Shortsword!

i love my Terra Shiv :)

hope everything goes perfectly for it :)

[obsidian nova]

So something like Spud Bomber or what?

[craggy girder]

what is that

[obsidian nova]

From Thorium

[craggy girder]

i mean maybe? not a whole new ammo type

[obsidian nova]

https://thoriummod.wiki.gg/wiki/Spud_Bomber

[craggy girder]

the absolute kookiest idea i had just now was uhh

okay so you know lotus pod from pvz2 chinese

lotus pod from pvz2 chinese but after being on the ground for a bit it bounces up and hits enemies

[glass arch]

its distinctly not another evil

it doesnt function like one

its a new biome post wof yeah but not another evil

[keen zodiac]

yeah it's not a hallow counterpart

like at all

cool idea though
would finally give celestial claymore an obtainment method that makes sense

unfortunately just doesn't really work

[glass arch]

when referring to function i mean 3 main things. 1: town npcs can live there. 2: it does not spread. 3: afaik the dryad does not consider it when calculating world purity

[mild chasm]

Number one is invalid because NPCs can live in the hallow, but the other two are good points.

I could have sworn that it spread though

[glass arch]

nope

it never spread

[mild chasm]

Huh

[gilded citrus]

If it spread that would be too much and be hell torture

[keen zodiac]

i remember that was my first suggestion back when i was young and very stupid

[gilded citrus]

😭

[keen zodiac]

i have since learned that would suck

[mild chasm]

I honestly just really like the biome, and want to add some more early-hardmode tiered content for non-rouges

[keen zodiac]

that would be nice

hopefully fixed in the astral update whenever that happens

[indigo yacht]

this suggestion is fine but astral isnt an evil or hallow counterpart is all

[mild chasm]

Thank you for educating me then

Would still be cool though

[keen zodiac]

maybe for a lore explanation it could be a hallow or evil mimic that got infected

but that might be a bit confusing to explain ingame

[gilded citrus]

I mean
A hallowed or evil mimic is already a normal mimic that got infected, lore wise could just go hey normal mimic infected not just a hallowed or evil

[keen zodiac]

were they normal at some point?

[tepid crown]

according to the bestiary yea

[keen zodiac]

huh

[tepid crown]

theyre just mimics that were converted by evil/hallow

[keen zodiac]

well alright then

[gilded citrus]

Thats the implication i had gotten from the fact normal not infected mimics exist

[mild chasm]

“When the mimics overreach their hunting grounds and stumble into the infection, this abomination is the result.”

Idea bestiary text

[keen zodiac]

🔥

[oblique birch]

the evils make them fat and chud

[drowsy plank]

@mild chasm flagging this for the inaccuracy that astral is a counterpart to hallowed

maybe when it was first made by fab, but it is long since detached itself from the idea

[mild chasm]

Once again, thank you for correcting me. I will probably take a little more time to refine this suggestion and repost it later, if that’s okay.

[drowsy plank]

that's fine

i do personally think stuff like the post-aureus enemy drops could possibly be moved to aureus, and that would work for drops, but im not sure there's any interest in that from the devs

[indigo yacht]

if your suggestion is flagged it's encouraged to fix it and once it's fixed it'll be unflagged

there's no penalty or anything

[half imp]

normalize bosses not dropping a ton of stuff tbh

killing bosses unlocking new methods to get stuff > killing bosses directly gets stuff

[craggy girder]

this is Truth Nuke to be honest

having a mimic that drops the Aureus Stuff would be Neat

[errant wren]

what if we added post-dog mimics that drop the moon materials

[kind laurel]

Vanilla biome spread sucks just as much as this would
It's an ancient feature that most people hate

[craggy girder]

i do think the astral infection should try and hit the most biomes at once, OR artifically make more biomes

i flatly did not know the Hadarian existed

[kind laurel]

Not saying it should spread, moreso saying Vanilla should remove the mechanic made when the game was a lot more bullcrap

[craggy girder]

oh well yes they should do that

[kind laurel]

Otherwise it's kinda just a boss rush

Boss drops all you need to fight the next right after

[drowsy plank]

i meant to an astral mimic not aurues idk why i said aureus

lmao

[frail fox]

Aureus becomes the new pbg

[craggy girder]

listen just have ravager drop everything

i mean literally everything every item in the game when ravager is killed

this will fix the problem

[plush flame]

flawless idea

[craggy girder]

there is Actively No Issue With Doing This

[north oracle]

i think this is a good plan

[crude geode]

https://tenor.com/view/house-explosion-explode-boom-kaboom-gif-19506150

Ravager dropping 500 different chairs, instantly causing my PC to implode:

[craggy girder]

i think the sheer quantity of items would actually brick some peoples games

[errant wren]

isn't there a cap on how many dropped items there can be

or was i hallucinating that

[obsidian nova]

Wait I've just noticed that the roof flies off in this gif

[obsidian nova]

I've checked and apparently it's 400
The more you know

[indigo yacht]

this suggestion will get 100000 stars

[drowsy plank]

what is the point of this

who's building their scal arena in the crags lmfao

[craggy girder]

Solely for the Lore suggestions, while Funny? arr also like. So Specific

also like do you mean Enrage like Leaving Box or Enrage as in “Attack Newly”

[mild chasm]

I like it

[errant wind]

Being lore like idk

But I like the idea

[urban berry]

Who would fight in crags though?

[tiny minnow]

People that want a challenge.

So basically three people

[fossil finch]

we think we're well past the random challenge bossfights era of this calamity mod

[half imp]

random challenge boss fights is called "go play for the worthy"

[fossil finch]

lowkirkenuinely

[stoic scroll]

sir uh weird question rn

do you watch instagram

reels

[warped hound]

Any approximate, estimate, anything, for the next major boss adding update? As well as, an estimate to Yharim's debut? Bro's gonna die of old age at this point.

Sorry to ask, since we were waiting for like a year and sometime.

[keen zodiac]

he will be in the final update, once the rest of the mod has been modernized

[warped hound]

Wanted to know when to comeback when it is worth it.

[keen zodiac]

so not for many years

[warped hound]

damn

an answer is better than nothing, we appreciate it.

[fleet grotto]

biggest update in cal history coming soon

[serene tendon]

Wait, even after the actual Sunken Sea content got split from it?

[boreal lichen]

not much of the sunken sea overhaul itself was finished, and the update didnt include the hardmode portion of it, also yeah there were just that many other changes that it didnt really matter

[half imp]

Losing sunken sea was maybe 1/100th of the changelog

for sure less than 10%

[keen zodiac]

yep

still like 2x bigger than draedon update

[serene tendon]

Holy crap

[severe sparrow]

jesus christ that's enormous

[obsidian nova]

This is gonna be epic

[frozen kite]

Should I make a suggestion based on 1.4.5 content?

also were i to would i have to censor it all

[north oracle]

1.4.5 content would be future content, as it's not in cal yet

wait for cal to be on the update before you ask for new stuff lol

[queen cairn]

that was also my question XD

what chat should we check for future content?

sorry im new

[crude geode]

@inland saddle bot is kill

[coral carbon]

Fork is green water is kitchen grass is wet

[indigo yacht]

kitchen in found fork

[median scaffold]

#calamity-update-talk

[umbral gazelle]

spork is fpoon

[tiny minnow]

Calamity Skyblock might be painful.

[half imp]

It's probably fine tbh

[tiny minnow]

Especially if, say, the space planetoid is still a thing or uh Plaguebringer drops Draedon lab stuff.

[severe sparrow]

wonder how planetoid skyblock will work

will draedon just have floating labs

[half imp]

more likely the schematics just drop from bosses

[craggy girder]

dragonfolly schematic :)

[half imp]

Planetoid schematic drop from earth emelemtal trust

[inland saddle]

fixed thank you for pinging me

[crude geode]

np

Thanks for always working hard

[sleek sable]

hmm

[obsidian nova]

Nah that should be cavern schematic
(Or will it drop from Burrower? )

[grim tusk]

should have made the Dont dig up code affect all versions tbh

seems I didnt miss much in here

[grave zinc]

@jade crane - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Post Eye of Cthulhu bosses drop regular healing potions]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@steel root - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[More Hooks!]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@sleek sable - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove the Wulfrum Hovercraft’s and Drone’s ability to travel through blocks]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[obsidian nova]

So, is this getting locked or not?

[half imp]

I already marked it as completed and implemented

[half imp]

^

[obsidian nova]

Cool

[obsidian nova]

(Wait, but why is it marked with a wrench if the implemented ones are marked with a flag? )

[half imp]

I did mark it with a flag

It's possible when other devs marked it otherwise it overwrote

because another dev marked it as "on Todo list" in dev after I had already marked it as complete from here

[obsidian nova]

Well, it happens I guess
Thank you for your patience

[vagrant trench]

watching a stupidly perverted movie in class

[crude geode]

Wrong server/channel

[vagrant trench]

@sand snow @peak thicket @cold cosmos

sorry for the noise

[keen zodiac]

still wrong channel

[obsidian nova]

Did anything came out of that suggestion about removing enchanted axe from the celestus recipe?

[grave zinc]

@buoyant tangle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add RGB Keyboard support, similar to Terraria's base biomes and bosses!]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[ripe owl]

The harvest is horrid

(not to say it's a bad suggestion, it isn't, but damn, just one?)

[crude geode]

It’s a month or so out from a big update, people are probably just waiting/playing vanilla

[grave zinc]

@jade crane - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Post Eye of Cthulhu bosses drop regular healing potions]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[keen zodiac]

????????

duplicate message

[urban berry]

Huh

[oblique birch]

the bot has been lobotomized

[plush flame]

sugbot when it has to function

[obsidian nova]

sugbot in question:

[dense frost]

Hehe

LoBOTomized

[errant wren]

[errant wind]

I’m surprised the rgb keyboard thing got accepted

Or rather passed on to the devs

[glass arch]

why

that voting period was dead there were literally 2 other options

one of which is a pretty unnoticeable change and the other one being pushed to voting 2 days ago

[drowsy plank]

this is the wrong channel and also ragnarok is not official

go to #calamity-addon-talk

[tropic canyon]

my fault

[keen zodiac]

@grok is this true

[kind laurel]

I might just be overthinking this but is suggesting Sabatron to use the same activation as Ram Rune count as "future content" because 1.4.5 isn't on TMod yet

[drowsy plank]

yes

infact sabaton recipe isnt even out yet so

double yes

[keen zodiac]

@rugged sonnet last part is a SIS

[rugged sonnet]

aw man, can i change it or no?

[keen zodiac]

yeah you can edit suggestions

[rugged sonnet]

i think it's fixed now?

[grave zinc]

@jade crane - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make more of a connection between Queen Slime and the Slime God]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[hollow shell]

spelunker potions crying and pissing rn

[indigo yacht]

why can't we just kill this stupid item

why does permanent spelunker potion need to exist

[misty lichen]

the crazy part is that vanilla really pads you with as many spelunker potions as you could possibly need

[craggy girder]

why not just add a fullbright acc

this'd fix all the problems

source: me

[frail fox]

Favorite part about this item is how it was previously post-golem

[indigo yacht]

incredible

[oblique birch]

😭

[fossil finch]

It really has only ever ever existed for calsigil and then it got killed from there and now it has no purpose it's beautiful

[drowsy plank]

it was part of the discussions on where to move old mining set effect for skyblock but seeing the new skyblock see im unsure if that effect will really be necessary atp

very funny how vanilla went and took the calamity ore slime route

[dense locust]

this is just super unneeded

you already have better spelunker potions 5 minutes into the game we dont need more reason to not use them :/

[errant wren]

what if we make it so that when you have enough of them, it provides you with a permanent form of the buff (obviously an original idea )

[drowsy plank]

what if we made it so that after you drank 5 potions you died of evil potion contamination bc ur body couldnt handle the magic and you die

this includes healing potions

[crude geode]

what if you gained experience every time you used a weapon, then got bonuses when you hit a level up

[errant wren]

what if we made a lot of the defensive accessories merge together in a big crafting tree for the ultimate defensive accessory

[oblique birch]

It will be named the Sponge again

[drowsy plank]

@sly jetty please read the rules in the pins

[plush flame]

as sick as this would be it breaks rules sorry

[indigo yacht]

yeah let's add the mechanic that lets you oneshot everything

[frail fox]

Stealth and adrenaline already exist though

[sly jetty]

I already took the suggestion down, but with how much damage Midas Prime does with 4 coins already, it would take longer to deadcoin enough to oneshot any bosses that matter at that point than to do the fight normally.

[drowsy plank]

@buoyant tangle future content suggestion, please check the rules

[buoyant tangle]

ah that counts? i figured that meant for things more far-off, like yharim and distortion-level stuff. didn't realize it applied to already-revealed spoilers, sorry!!

[drowsy plank]

it counts for everything not already in the game

[distant gyro]

do snails make sounds

[craggy girder]

i Think so

they make Many Pleasant Sounds

"Gorp!"

[novel belfry]

is it okay to suggest a reversion to calamity's change to Frost Armor's set bonus

[dense locust]

isnt that more of a removal rather than a reversion

[novel belfry]

no

left is original, right is calamity's changed bonus

[dense locust]

I know what the changes are

[novel belfry]

i personally think this is a wonky change that ends up making the armor arbitrarily wonky

[dense locust]

part of its problem is that its just balanced poorly but yes

[novel belfry]

okay, maybe if they instead retooled it do something like "Creates ice explosions on close range melee attacks/farther range ranged attacks" (JUST AS AN EXAMPLE), then maybe i wouldnt make this suggestion

but rn its a li

its little odd

[dense locust]

just suggest to remove frost armor entirely

[indigo yacht]

they're true

[craggy girder]

i feel like it shouldn't try to shift between distance but instead provide different bonuses relative to distance methinks

like some melee weapons want range, and some ranged weapons want close at that tier

perhaps (bit specific) it could be something akin to "Grants attack speed and defense while nearby enemies, and damage and crit chance while far away from enemies", to allow for these

(stats are entirely arbitrary)

[vocal wedge]

I think it's meant to encourage using both melee and ranged.

[craggy girder]

i mean Yeah but like

[craggy girder]

^

[distant gyro]

this strays away from providing melee/ranged bonuses also what happens if there are multiple enemies in proximity of both

2.1 frost received buffs (more damage) and hit feedback (if damage has been boosted or not)

[drowsy plank]

what

[glass arch]

what

[drowsy plank]

i genuinely cannot tell if this is allowed or not

we got life mushroom (underground), life cactus (desert), and life lichen (snow) now

[ripe owl]

To put it bluntly

What

[glass arch]

@hollow shell hi yes we need your input on this one i think. is this allowed

[ripe owl]

Sorry, Life Crystal already resides in the underground

[glass arch]

does this suggestion break the rules

[drowsy plank]

nah he said life fruit variants for every biome so those are my ideas for places where you couldnt just put life fruit

since it's fine in like, forest since fruit is fruit

make the corrupt and crimson life fruit like the anti-life fruit from fargos

this is all a joke but it's funny to make shit up

[coral carbon]

What

[jade crane]

I just meant for a few major biomes, like for the ice, desert, and hell biomes

[plush flame]

i cant tell if this is SIS

[half imp]

I think it's... Okay?

borderline

I don't think it's the right move to do though

[dense locust]

hell especially seems like a bad choice

given theres basically no added danger from hardmode

[half imp]

Interesting idea but the life fruit is specifically a jungle reward bc the jungle is so difficult and kinda balanced post mech

[serene vapor]

except for the tortured soul but is that really a threat

[dense locust]

I hate that you're technically right

[half imp]

it's like a weird pseudo pre mech post mech

queen slime tier

If I have my way it'll become more towards post mech though

[dense locust]

these are the uzi buffs the world needs

[indigo yacht]

what

[indigo yacht]

lmfao was this everyone's first reaction

[serene vapor]

yeah

[serene vapor]

well since no one talked about my suggestion im turning notifications back down to ping only

[craggy girder]

my issue with this recent suggestion is that like. You Already Increase Your Health.

life fruit get you to 500 from 400

so i dont know how More Fruit would not just Give More Health than you're Supposed to have

[indigo yacht]

it's literally just life fruit reskinned for each biome i don't see how this is complicated

[craggy girder]

yeah but Why would you do that

just go to the jungle and get your fruit in the Big Wide Open Area

[crude geode]

because it encourages exploring different biomes but also it's a huge reason to explore the jungle

I dislike the suggestion but it has it's reasons. There's a reason there's usually alternatives for stuff like mining and fishing and whatnot

[indigo yacht]

completely unrelated but if you use mid-sentence capitalization too often it erodes the emphasis its supposed to evoke

[craggy girder]

Most of the Sentence is meant to be like

Noticed

[indigo yacht]

that's different from emphasizing certain points

[gilded citrus]

What

[hollow shell]

I don't really know

[gilded citrus]

😭

[hollow shell]

It's a bit weakly supported, the only reasoning is in the one sentence at the end

It'd be better if they provided more argument about how much focus the Jungle gets versus other biomes, and how this'd be a nice step in giving the rest of the world more reason to be explored

which is indeed what they said, very succinctly
but perhaps too succinctly

@jade crane If you can, we would appreciate if you added more reasoning to your suggestion

[lucid marsh]

I don't see why we need to have life fruit for other biomes

You don't have to get them right away. Getting them in early hard mode is a deliberate challenge due to the strong enemies

I would be very much open to life fruits spawning in other biomes, particularly the upcoming Silva biome or maybe the abyss, but I see no reason to put them everywhere

[craggy girder]

i also dont know if they mean like

the Blood Orange? and stuff like that?

turning Blood Orange into a Life Fruit Like????

[lucid marsh]

I think they mean something functionally identical to life fruits but in other biomes

[errant wren]

that's what i gathered yeah

[crude geode]

Yeah jungle is honestly over supported. You have reasons to go to the other biomes but it’s more for weapons that can just be gotten elsewhere or later on when it’s easy. You have to go to the jungle to get life fruits, fight plantera, get to the temple, etc.

[errant wren]

obviously we implement this so you have to get 5 fruits from 4 different biomes to get the full effect

[crude geode]

that’s what the new permanent hp upgrades should be

You have to visit hell, marble, and granite to get your mid hardmode health upgrade

[errant wren]

it's just how you get shpc but you get an item from the shrines

[jade crane]

Is that better?

[obsidian nova]

@oak coyote no joke suggestions

[oak coyote]

It was an April fools thing am I not allowed to suggest for April fools?

[plush flame]

april fools is a joke

[oak coyote]

Good point I’m sorry

It was a real suggestion for April fools but I understand 😭

[indigo yacht]

in general, suggestions are supposed to be about solving problems rather than just stuff that could be added

it's really hard to make that work for stuff like April fool's or gfb or whatever

[oak coyote]

Ooh okay I didn’t know honestly that’s my fault

I understand why though

I did delete the suggestion cause I’m not trying to inconvenience the devs or mods

[keen zodiac]

@dense locust suggestion too long i think

1k character limit

[plush flame]

current one is 996

[dense locust]

mhm

[plush flame]

overall i do like this

cal's been getting some vanilla consistency recently and right now there's no actual reason to go out looking for him more than twice (one in prehm, the other post wof)

[dense locust]

main motivation is honestly just being tired of skele merchant just being a substitute for a bunch of random stuff for no reason
especially given how milk is honestly a little stupid

[drowsy plank]

giant shell and craw carapace being split 50/50 down the middle of moon phases would be fine i think, milk just shouldn't be sold by him, i don't even know if calcium potions are surviving to next update, and marrow is fine being sold at all times because he is also always selling yoyo glove

[tepid crown]

calcium is surviving but is getting a new effect

[keen zodiac]

wait it is

i didn't notice

[drowsy plank]

prolly doesnt need to be sold by him then

[dense locust]

Idt marrow should be sold at all times

it just kinda undermines actually getting the item normally

[plush flame]

its already dropped by skelly archers at all times so i can see it being like a 2 phase thing

[dense locust]

2 phases or like
every 3rd phase or something

[golden sonnet]

Reduces knockback iirc

[keen zodiac]

oh neat

[indigo yacht]

on one hand fair enough but on the other FUCKKKKKKK YOUUUU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

i have horrible memories of trying to get ANYTHING from the damn merchant

[dense locust]

what could I possibly have done to deserve this

[indigo yacht]

i HATE him

[indigo yacht]

caught in the crossfire

im shooting the messenger

[dense locust]

solution: bring a bed underground with you so you can sleep to pass moon phases

does that even work

[indigo yacht]

no

shop doesn't refresh

you need to find a new merchant

[dense locust]

unfortunate

[indigo yacht]

(i have tried

although to be fair the cosmolight time stop will actually make it more convenient to do that

which is literally the first use case I've seen for the item

[half imp]

I'm like 90% sure I've changed the moon phase for his shop to change before

but idk

[indigo yacht]

it's possible if it was one of the recent patches

if that is in calamity then i don't hate this suggestion

it's just a minor amount of disdain but fine

[hazy nacelle]

it does refresh but like all shops you have to reopen it to get the changed items

[drowsy plank]

@loud glade please read the rules in the pins

[half imp]

yeah that's what I thought

[keen zodiac]

@loud glade invalid format + no reasoning + reversion suggestion

[craggy girder]

would it be reasonable to suggest that the Whispering Maelstrom's hitbox be made more obvious to their actual size

[keen zodiac]

is it too big or too small rn

[craggy girder]

too small-ish

you can sit in the outer 1/6th

without major harm?

[keen zodiac]

i think that's fine

[craggy girder]

it makes noises but doesnt do much

[keen zodiac]

it's like the event horizon of a black hole

[craggy girder]

i mean yeah but the things the size of 1/3rd of the arena

its quite large

[serene vapor]

reduce the size to be hitbox accurate, please dont increase the hitbox to be size accurate

[craggy girder]

Yeah

[drowsy plank]

what's the issue with the hitbox being smaller than the sprite

[keen zodiac]

yeah idk either

[drowsy plank]

generally this is a good thing

you want your sprites to be bigger than your hitboxes so it's more forgiving towards players

deltarune does this

obviously you dont want it to be drastically contrasting between the two but this is the first ive ever even heard someone bring it up and id want to see footage of the hitbox if possible before really saying one way or the other on this

[craggy girder]

my recording software crashes my pc but you can go about one and a half player widths into the maelstrom without taking noticeable damage

when the sprite looks like even tapping it would render you asunder

[tardy smelt]

#suggestions-posting message hi begging im lily

[tepid crown]

no their name is BEGGING get it right smh

[severe sparrow]

why do they want back old elem blaster that thing just spat out boring projectiles and made a lot of annoying noise

[ripe owl]

Just remember all caps when you spell the man name...

[gilded citrus]

-# just use sdmg with chlorophyte bullets and its functionally the same im pretty sure

[severe sparrow]

besides damage type yeah pretty much (it is also much nicer on the ears)

wait i remember back when superradiant was first added someone literally asked to have elem blaster readded on the same day it was reworked entirely

[tardy smelt]

I FORGOR

[serene vapor]

I kind of get it, while superradiant is good, it’s also a lot more gimmicky than the elem blaster and hard for some people (including me) to get used to

[fossil finch]

I need slop calamity

[plush flame]

waiter, waiter! more dust spam minisharks please!

[oblique birch]

not minishark is even this bad

[boreal lichen]

the slop never ends

[gilded citrus]

Sdmg with chlorophyte

[oblique birch]

literally

there's already enough easy to use weapons

[drowsy plank]

dont forget we also get new grape beer next update

1 million homing to ranger

[indigo yacht]

what the flip

[keen zodiac]

[tepid crown]

isnt auric rejection turning into a local sound in brainstorm

[drowsy plank]

prolly

[royal tapir]

This is a bug that is fixed yes

[drowsy plank]

@leaden ibex ^

[leaden ibex]

ah ok didn't know sorry

[indigo yacht]

worst time to submit a suggestion ever but i wasnt going to remember otherwise

[hollow shell]

The Abyss automatically healing up any breaches into the Underworld actually sounds like a banger idea

And I don't think it'd be very hard to do

[golden sonnet]

We have walls that create a block when exposed to water in the SSO beta

[hollow shell]

There are many block growth effects currently in the game that can be used as basises

[golden sonnet]

So doing something like that shouldn't be hard

[hollow shell]

Even better

[indigo yacht]

yeah it would be fitting

[craggy girder]

dont you have that in. The Base Game

or

no its the other way around

SS sand walls make water

nevermind

[grave zinc]

@valid spoke - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Supreme Witch Calamitas Enrage in Brimstone Crag]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[grave zinc]

@buoyant tangle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add RGB Keyboard support, similar to Terraria's base biomes and bosses!]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[buoyant tangle]

oh hey neat

[serene vapor]

neat indeed

[wintry gale]

what does reaction 🔄 means

[quaint carbon]

Rewrite jumpscare

[tepid crown]

"It has been voted upon by the devs, and although it did not receieve enough positive votes to pass, the final results were very close."

[indigo yacht]

@fickle folio

[drowsy plank]

@dusk oasis server suggestions go to @sonic torrent

[dusk oasis]

aight

[keen zodiac]

addon talk is already the addon help chat

[dusk oasis]

but its confusing

[gilded citrus]

Rev affects spawnrates? Didnt know that

[sly shale]

i was a bit aware of it but i didn't looked up the numbers until now

but it would be cool since we can also change the scaling of health on bosses

[ripe owl]

Uuuh that will most likely be a no

If you want a slider you can use Journey mode

[crude geode]

that feature is already a nothingburger that should probably be removed

[mystic sandal]

Would it be SIS to suggest shroomble cage

[patent nimbus]

i actually already had this sugg mostly written before the update

but dog managing to pull it off well, to me, shows it can work for other fights

[drowsy plank]

i mean have you seen new DoG

[patent nimbus]

i literally nohit it

[errant cradle]

it shall be done 🙏

[drowsy plank]

dont his lines appear under the character?

[patent nimbus]

tomayyto tomahhhto

[keen zodiac]

could you also implement boss cursor globally pls

[patent nimbus]

hence why i said near/above instead of just above

[errant cradle]

eh

[patent nimbus]

cuz idt the exact direction really matters

[drowsy plank]

my point is the dialogue already is near the player...

[patent nimbus]

k

ill edit

[errant cradle]

we did it for dog cause he's offscreen a lot

idt we'd wanna do it for every boss

[craggy girder]

why not yharon

[keen zodiac]

i think yharon and the other worms would be good

[craggy girder]

i think it'd be cool for bosses when they're about to try and ramdash have like a visual indicator on their boss cursor

[errant cradle]

i disagree but mainly cause i dont want it to become a precedent

[craggy girder]

if the boss doesn't naturally try to ramdash, it doesn't need a cursor to alert the player

[errant cradle]

ideally we should be making fights that dont require a separate ui element to know where they are

[keen zodiac]

this is true

but bandaids can be good sometimes

[errant cradle]

you can make the suggestion if you want but i cant imagine it passing if it gets sent to dev

[crude geode]

I feel like bandaids tend to stick around a LOT in cal tho

[craggy girder]

i mean this is less "fight made bc of it" and more "would be cool if they do go offscreen"

[crude geode]

(blood orbs being the biggest example)

[keen zodiac]

we need to kill blood orb

[errant cradle]

[crude geode]

blood orbs are such a nightmarish way to provide an alternative to fishing

[teal tide]

They completely take the grind out of potions. There’s no reason to ever make a garden or fish for ingredients. I utilize them but I think they’re a bad thing for the overall gameplay experience

Fishing isn’t that bad

[mystic sandal]

I kinda like what ieor did with blood orbs where they can dupe existing potions, not craft new potions

But that’s prob still not great

[drowsy plank]

@sly shale this suggestion has no reasoning

play journey mode

[grave zinc]

@glass arch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove the recipes for the Hive Mind and Perforators weapon drops]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

next update

[frail fox]

This whole weapon line has doomed recipes

[glass arch]

moon stone

[balmy rain]

new dog fight is sick

[gaunt crystal]

shroomble.

[near totem]

shroomble

[errant wren]

shroombl

[plush flame]

can we also get shroomble crucifixion to balance this out

[near totem]

Died for our mushroom related sins

[teal tide]

I am 10000% for shroomble terrarium

[remote dune]

shroomble cage please

[dense locust]

bait used to be believable

[wispy wraith]

[dense locust]

yeah sorry I am not going back to fucking bountiful harvest bosses just because they removed that one dogshit weapon you cared about

[ripe owl]

@wet burrow yeah that ain't gonna fly, revertion suggestions are a big no-no. Read the document at the top of the #suggestions-posting

Especially since you're asking for a WHOLE UPDATE to be reverted, devs will definitely not do that, they had a reason to release the update in the first place

[dense locust]

(if you really hate the update that much you can just manually download an older version off the github)

[hollow shell]

bruh

[ripe owl]

The community never agrees with anything, but soon the hype will die, people will actually come to senses and see that "hey those changes are actually good" and then calm down until the next update drops and the samsara spins again

Well that's definitely not the way to do so

[hazy nacelle]

what's new

every update has its whiners

[hollow shell]

Indeed

Address the problem cases individually?

[frail fox]

I like how it’s just “the changes” and literally nothing specific

[plush flame]

maybe not by telling the devs that these thousands of hours of work put into the mod is actively detrimental

[dense locust]

lets start with one item and work our way up

[hazy nacelle]

you literally can't say "everything is bad" when there are so many changes in this update

[ripe owl]

Yes you can

Cause certainly you have gripes with them

[plush flame]

lets start with one thing first

[hollow shell]

All of them were bad? ALL of them?

[frail fox]

Yes go ahead, I’m sure you can totally do that

[hazy nacelle]

make a separate suggestion for each item/boss/what have you

[plush flame]

why do you believe that the new dog ai is worse than the previous one?

[dense locust]

wulfrum dye ruined the game

[bold island]

oh my g od

lol

[ripe owl]

Wait was the Invisible Dye added this update?

[dense locust]

yes

[ripe owl]

Well again, start with at least a single thing

[frail fox]

Reading all the changelogs and disagreeing whenever a single number goes down

[ripe owl]

A number went down but it's s buff

How disastrous would that be

[plush flame]

here, i'll start it for you

I believe the Devourer of Gods' rework should be reverted to the incarnation seen in 2.0.7.2 because

[eternal escarp]

if theres any change you specifically want to see changed, you should make a suggestion focusing on it instead

it would be better for both you and the devs to know what you actually think is wrong

[hollow shell]

(Even that wouldn't really fly)

[ripe owl]

Revertion suggestion, interrobang reaction

[plush flame]

just an exercise to see if they can make a decent suggestion even if specifically dog won't happen

[eternal escarp]

effectively saying "the whole update is bad because i and some others think so" when it hasnt even been a day is very unhelpful

[ripe owl]

Not even an exclamation

[plush flame]

also yeah reversion sugg

[hollow shell]

The update has been out for less than 24 hours
This kind of reactionary suggesting in opposition of new changes
is exactly what the Reversion rule exists for

[plush flame]

new update bad because new thing bad graaahhhhhh give me five calamillion stars

[dense locust]

I generally think the reversion rule is too broad but yes

name an item

any removed item

[eternal escarp]

item removals are for items that had no real reason to exist
recipe removals because a lot of those were just shortcutting the item's normal method

[frail fox]

Item removals: 98% were bad and boring design

[eternal escarp]

wrath of the ancients is the most non weapon ever tbh

[plush flame]

iri was a dev item of fabsol

[dense locust]

magnet sphere and rainbow gun existed at the same tier, filled the same role, and are both far more interesting weapons

[hazy nacelle]

post plant dungeon had too many items

[hollow shell]

Wrath was an invisible sentry that dealt magic damage right

[plush flame]

uhhhh

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[dense locust]

yes

[frail fox]

Thank you crit for being real

[eternal escarp]

well "invisible" it had a sprite

[plush flame]

yep

[eternal escarp]

but yeah

[plush flame]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/images/Wrath_of_the_Ancients_(demo).gif?a327c8=&format=original

[hollow shell]

Ah I remember it being invisible for most of its life

But yeah

[plush flame]

ah yeah it got a sprite in 1.4.5

added in 1.1.7

[hollow shell]

Post Plant Dungeon has always been one of the biggest unique weapon influxes for Mage

It did not need this weapon

[obsidian nova]

[ripe owl]

The Weapon That 0.01% Of The Players Used

[obsidian nova]

Are we deadass

I fckin love this community

[dense locust]

no actually way more people used it

[ripe owl]

The mage market is oversaturated already, we don't need more

[dense locust]

but only because it was overpowered

[plush flame]

waiter, waiter! a ninth post-plantera dungeon magic weapon please!

[eternal escarp]

this thing was overpowered?

[dense locust]

yes

busted as hell

[hazy nacelle]

yeah it did pretty good dps for a sentry-like

[eternal escarp]

for the longest time i remembered it being absolutely unusable did it get a buff recently

[frail fox]

ot Foun

[plush flame]

it got a nerf in 1.4.1.1

[ripe owl]

Which was ages ago wasn't it now

[dense locust]

so before 90% of the playerbase knew what a calamity is, awesome

[plush flame]

yeah

[dense locust]

yes lol thats like late 2018

[plush flame]

new years eve 2018

[eternal escarp]

wild

[errant wren]

wait

[eternal escarp]

byeah anyway

[hollow shell]

crazy

[errant wren]

jesus christ how long have i been playing cal

[plush flame]

it also got the anti-sentry spam nerf in 1.4.5 (firing delay when summoned)

[hexed hamlet]

🥹 most nothing burger weapon ever

[plush flame]

a third post plantera dungeon magic damage sentry

[hexed hamlet]

and iris excalibur was

• fabsol item
• orderbringer, which is a much better weapon is taking its place

[eternal escarp]

if you want the sugg to atleast have some merit, youre better off not asking for just a "reversion" by just listing things that got changed
you should probably explain what about the changes you think was bad

[hexed hamlet]

did you actually play the update

[eternal escarp]

and probably focus on one thing at a time rather than just listing 80% of the changes in the update

[hexed hamlet]

or is just repeating stuff

[ripe owl]

That's a dev you're talking to

[crude geode]

“Add MORE yoyo accessories”
-one day melee’s knees will buckle under the weight of their sins and no one will be there to help them

[hexed hamlet]

vanilla has some p cool new yoyo acessories, 1.4.5 port

[dense locust]

please name one cool or interesting thing about this item

[plush flame]

it was such a nothingburger it was a third thing you plopped down before a boss when playing post plant mage

is this your magnomaly cannon

[hexed hamlet]

yea, but suggesting the update to be reverted due to it and saying its a "community thing" is

🥹

[ripe owl]

Just giving you a heads-up

[crude geode]

^

[dense locust]

because weapon bloat is very real

[crude geode]

Because we have too many weapons lmao

[dense locust]

you want people to use the fun items

[plush flame]

because people like using things that arent tungsten broadswords or minisharks

[ripe owl]

Because why have boring bloat instead of actually interesting weaponry?

[dense locust]

the more options you give someone, the more likely it is they pick the lame items

[hexed hamlet]

well you like the weapon so you must know a cool or interesting thing about it

[gilded citrus]

Surely theres a reason you like it beyond it existing

[hexed hamlet]

yea

[wet burrow]

You can say this about a load of items

[plush flame]

like if they get three lame weapons in a row theyre gonna assume that entire tier is just lame weapons

[hollow shell]

Calamity's been around for nearly 10 years and every item that exists is one that must continue to be maintained and balanced for all future updates

Culling unnecessary content is a necessary part of the process

[crude geode]

^

[plush flame]

yeah thats why theyre getting replaced with fun shit

[dense locust]

example: I like medusa head beccause it encourages a highly aggressive style with a class known for fairly low defense, compounded with its unique mechanics regarding multiple targets rewarding you for grouping up targets like twins

[ripe owl]

Yeah, that's why there are more reworks and removals on the way yknow yknow

[dense locust]

see, not that hard

[hexed hamlet]

yea

[plush flame]

see: elemental blaster into superradiant slaughterer

it was just sdmg with chloro bullets but got made into an actually interesting weapon

[gilded citrus]

Yeah hence reworks or removals
If you really want the update to be reverted you can use github and download earlier versions

[plush flame]

rainbow gun

[crude geode]

The rainbow gun and magnet sphere when they

[plush flame]

magnet sphere

[hollow shell]

(and Nimbus Rod)

[plush flame]

right timbus rod too 😭

[gilded citrus]

Clinger staff

[errant wren]

crimson rod i think

[crude geode]

yep

[plush flame]

why does mage have so many not sentries

[crude geode]

Bc uhhhhhh summoner doesn’t exist

:)

[plush flame]

and why are they all localised to three points

preboss, post wof, post plant

[dense locust]

notice how all of the other mage sentries being mentioned are signifigantly more interesting than wrath
I know this because I can actually say something interesting about how to use them

[hazy nacelle]

I don't mind them but too many at late hardmode

[crude geode]

The fact they’re not evenly spread (and mage itself being very dense pockets of upgrades) is very wack

[hazy nacelle]

you're still using clinger staff at that point too because it lasts long enough to be worth it

[plush flame]

and deals so much damage to anything that doesnt resist it

actually is clinger staff pierce exempt

🥹

it is

[crude geode]

Beautiful

[errant wren]

amazing, even

[eternal escarp]

because most of summoner used to be mage iirc

and they just didnt split it good enough 😔

[hollow shell]

Indeed

[crude geode]

History repeats itself (mage/summoner split and melee/rogue split)

[hollow shell]

I was thinking more ranger to throwing then back to ranger

[errant wren]

at least the non-sentry sentries are interesting to use

[crude geode]

Wrath of the ancients was. certainly something.

[errant wren]

that one isn't

[dense locust]

there was no mage/summoner split though
it was always summoner

[crude geode]

No clue why it was in the exact same position as the objectively cooler magnet sphere

[plush flame]

yeah magnet sphere lasts like 12 seconds and runs away from the enemy
rainbow gun doesnt move at all and follows an arc

[crude geode]

God. terraria is truly a franchise

[eternal escarp]

back when adding weapons without care was a net positive because content = good, quantity > quality

[crude geode]

slop content good

dungeon defenders anyone

[errant wren]

12 calbillion more melee weapons

[crude geode]

That too

[hollow shell]

(ok I tried to fact check this cuz I thought there were several examples
but

I think the only weapon that was implemented as Mage but later became Summoner was uhh
Staff of the Frost Hydra)

[crude geode]

What a wild weapon to be mage initially

[dense locust]

frost hydra was summon from the onset

[whole tundra]

This is like Rain Armour when something is in its range except without resistances

[dense locust]

I know this because I jsut finished a release 1.2 playthrough like, a week and a half ago

[hollow shell]

Really???

[dense locust]

yeah it was summoner only 1.2
all 3 weapons it was peak

and staff was definitely getting boosted by tiki armor

[hollow shell]

That's very strange
I wonder why these 2013 wiki pages so confidently call it a magic weapon

Was summoner a subclass of mage back then?

[dense locust]

dont think so? though I never really tried using mage gear

if I were to guess it was due to frost hydras general rarity and the lack of prominence of decompiling, not many people could actually verify ingame if was magic or not

[hollow shell]

Asking mainly cuz of this note
2013

Later, 2014

It was really the wild west back then, these pages look like dogshit lmao

[plush flame]

minion class,,,,,,,,,

[hollow shell]

Probably a lot of rumor and speculation going on

[dense locust]

doesnt help that changelog pages from back then just blatently rip the ones from the files

which are notoriously vague

[hollow shell]

mm

Well, anyway

The point of all this is that there is overwhelming reason that Wrath was redundant

[dense locust]

in fact if I remember correctly summon weapons are just straight up not mentioned on the changelogs for 1.2
and given that 2/3 summons that existed at the time were obscenely rare (slime staff and frost hydra)...

but yes wrath really did not justify its own existence at all

[hollow shell]

And continuing to maintain it, instead of giving attention to the other magic weapons after Plant, would not be a good use of the devs' time

[ripe owl]

@winter linden already in plans

[winter linden]

ohhhh

mb then

[gilded citrus]

Whips also make summoner just outright the strongest class atm

[ripe owl]

truly the suggestion of all time

also they're called bucket zombies

[umbral gazelle]

oh

[drowsy plank]

@umbral gazelle i feel like this should probably go in #1052323733961977947 ?

[umbral gazelle]

ah

oki

[drowsy plank]

@inland saddle bot down i think?

[whole tundra]

Doesn't seem like it. The most recently posted suggestion was 15 hours ago

Nvm the bot is offline

[obsidian nova]

Honestly, can we just add whip suggestions in the banned list?