suggestions-discussion

[cerulean trench]

i really like the design philosophy of the slim few darts in vanilla

[urban berry]

And a lot of those darts can unironically ruin several bosses days

[cerulean trench]

yeah they're a bit strong

esp the ichor dart

but they're what unique ammo should be

[urban berry]

Honestly?

I prefer the cursed flame dart.

Especially for Destroyer

[cerulean trench]

if you space yourself out right and every single split dart hits the boss you're fighting

Oh.

delicious

[sleek sable]

500 INVALID SUGGESTIONS

it can be worked off though in a sense

[keen zodiac]

calamity already adds 62 guns 😭

[plush flame]

are there any other more bloated weapon types except like broadswords

oh yeah do we count galaxia's attunements as different weapons

[ripe owl]

65 wands

magic wands

[keen zodiac]

87 swords

79 summon staves, but that's fine

not much variety you can get with that

yeah nothing else comes close

[ripe owl]

rogue is kinda bloated ngl it needs less modded weapons

[keen zodiac]

true...

[keen zodiac]

shut

[ripe owl]

Staff
A hand fan

yep, checks out

[plush flame]

tbf it was a staff and then got a massive nerf

[ripe owl]

yeah I know

still doesn't change the fact they left the name

[plush flame]

also yeowch that was a massive nerf

26 -> 10 damage

[ripe owl]

good things don't last long ig

[plush flame]

idk glorious end's lasted a while

[ripe owl]

(for three years)

no legit pupper staff had its stats for three years

[plush flame]

maybe the slimed is what pushed it over the edge

wait no wof is immune to the two actual fire debuffs and resists fire

[coral carbon]

add 2 more

[ripe owl]

you're not funny

[plush flame]

and then do it again

[coral carbon]

you're not funny

[boreal lichen]

epic fail

[craggy girder]

intriguing?

[drowsy plank]

"what if we just desynced on purpose" is certainly one of the proposals of all time

[craggy girder]

i mean. its not Insane.

the main drawback is that you arent really playing a Raid Boss atp you're playing four seperate games of the thing

while this Would fix the desync problem by. Causing the Desync Problem

it also would kinda just drag the overall gamefeel down

[half imp]

this just seems like singleplayer with extra steps

[craggy girder]

(also How would you code this Homing Projectiles and Allat)

[craggy girder]

precisely

[half imp]

if I was to do anything to multiplayer balancing it'd be reduce or remove respawn mid boss

[drowsy plank]

if reduced respawn times while a boss is alive were a rev/death think i think id be fine with that

i mean

[tardy smelt]

Id keep it where vanilla kept it

[drowsy plank]

increased

whatever

cause i do appreciate the faster respawn times in singleplayer/during normal gameplay

[tardy smelt]

The 15 second respawn timers kinda feel like cheating ngl -w- in my multiplayer playthrough

Not that it matters teeerriiibly mych multiplayer isnt about being hard

But its nice to have at least some kinda consequences to dying

[craggy girder]

i personally think respawn should be near instant Outside of bosses, but During bosses it should be Hampered

[half imp]

yeah that's kinda what it is now

5s outside of bosses, 30s in bosses

(15 in classic)

[drowsy plank]

could prolly be higher while bosses r alive ig

since in singleplayer they just despawn and u get 5 second respawn anyway

[indigo yacht]

this is confusing

what happens when a player dies

[polar halo]

You can make it so the boss instance doesn't despawn after its owner dies and waits for their respawn instead.

[indigo yacht]

so there's no penalty for dying basically

[polar halo]

All players must remain alive. If everyone dies, then the bosses will disappear.

[glass arch]

ok and then how do projectiles function

[hollow shell]

#suggestions-posting message
This feels like something not for Calamity to do.

Best as its own mod

[glass arch]

there is nothing multi about this player you are essentially just overlaying multiple game instances on each other

[polar halo]

That moment when you have an idea but don’t have the knowledge to make it happen...

[craggy girder]

this is Basically what i said

[golden sonnet]

I exclaimed this due to falling outside calamity's preview like rover said, but also because this would be miserable to implement with terrarias net code and would break bosses from every other mod (or not affect them at all leading to two entirely different kinds of boss fights), this would also be very difficult to communicate to the player

Imo this creates far more issues than it solves

[indigo yacht]

i play multiplayer for the multiplayer aspect

this would largely remove that from boss fights which are important

[crude geode]

^^^^^^

it's MEANT to be a different experience from a normal singleplayer boss fight, with focus being the primary difference

[urban berry]

Honestly?
1.5x HP and 1.25 X damage for every player.

Not double HP, but still noticeable enough that you wanna focus and make sure you're both working together

[gilded citrus]

Isnt that like already the case

[glass arch]

its a ~50% increase per player

and i do not think multiplicative damage scaling on ENEMIES is a particularly good idea

[gilded citrus]

Let rune wizard have the 3847483 contact damage with a full server

[glass arch]

hell even an additive percentage damage increase in multiplayer is a very bad idea

25% extra damage on scal brings her up to almost 600 damage on her lowest damage attack

as soon as you hit 4 players, damage is quite literally unreasonable to take in any context because you instantly die regardless of almost any build

[indigo yacht]

the humble logarithm

[lucid marsh]

Pupper staff

Anyways: bosses don't need any damage increase at all for multiple players. They just need more HP

And occasionally they need to be able to attack faster or do multiple attacks at once

[umbral gazelle]

DoG rushing at you during the laser wall attack 🥹

[indigo yacht]

no, no- an extra concurrent laser barrage per player

better hope your friends are good at social distancing

[craggy girder]

okay this is just flatly Really Funny

yknow the Janitor from Mod of Redemption how it has text above it

it'd be funny if when they do attacks they just name them randomly (and you see the text there)

[pure verge]

Nebuleus actually does something pretty similar

[craggy girder]

from which mod?

[pure verge]

same one you just mentioned

[craggy girder]

i dont Remember Nebuleus

i just remember the Lab

[drowsy plank]

im ngl this just sounds worse than what we have. i also hate the idea that calclone has no humanity left so that's just me griping with the lore but whatever

[craggy girder]

i mean from What I Think of Her, she's Moreso Immature, but not Childish

does This make Sense?

she Understands Concepts, but Takes Them at Base Value Instead of understanding the Nuance of the Process

like "Brothers", instead of being "Familial Relationship, stemming from Shared Parent" is instead "Two People who stand by My Side"

does this make Sense

so them muttering what Would be Gibberish is Actually Completely Sensible to them, it just Doesnt Make Sense to anyone with a Base Understanding of Words

"Big Boom Lava" is Gigablast, "Head Flaming" is Burning Skull, that kinda Vibe

anyways Yea i Like this Suggestion and will be Starring it

[lucid marsh]

Calamitas clone is weird. Something about it being intelligent is deeply wrong for how it acts

If she's a person with a human mind, she should run away. Especially if she's a child

I think it makes much more sense for her to be like. Severely fucked up and not capable of complex thought

Also feels less wrong if it's more like an animal

[sleek sable]

calamitas clone is coherent so one of her lines can be a mgrr reference

[quaint carbon]

I didn’t even remember that calclone spoke. Her quotes aren’t on the wiki.

[oblique birch]

it's in the status messages page

[quaint carbon]

Ah

[plush flame]

#suggestions-posting message quests are planned

[boreal lichen]

calamity is also planning a dialogue system for its npcs too

[fossil finch]

those who mow

[drowsy plank]

https://tenor.com/view/lawn-mower-fast-honda-fun-riding-gif-22519899

[craggy girder]

there should be a reaction for “Planned” methinks

[indigo yacht]

🔒

[clever wagon]

Is there any intention to un-nerf moon lord in Calamity difficulties

[drowsy plank]

can you elaborate

[clever wagon]

Basically it trades the mini death rays from the true eyes of Cthulhu for keeping the eyes on moon lord and I think there’s just overall less projectile volume

I was just curious, since at the moment Moon Lord is too easy in Calamity imo

[drowsy plank]

probably not

[indigo yacht]

buff? maybe
unnerf? definitely not true eye death rays are incredibly annoying

[crude geode]

Yeah agreed

[kind laurel]

wdym don't you love unavoidable scissor lasers from two different eyes

[plush flame]

i forget do true eyes autosync in cal

[tepid crown]

yea

[plush flame]

oh so its perfectly fine to add the mini deathrays back then

as long as theyre not synced with the main one

could just force a specific spot in the top head's ai when the each eye is released

[clever wagon]

Yeah the vanilla version is kind of nonsense but the Calamity version is still too easy

Once the eyes come off anyway, before that it’s fine

[half imp]

? the cal version keeps the attacks from eyes and hands so if it's too easy in core phase it's gotta be too easy the whole fight

[drowsy plank]

i guess they're implying it's the same difficulty as vanilla or something

which like

i guess

it's just not a clusterfuck during core phase with desynced eyes like it is in vanilla

[drowsy plank]

isnt the scaling dying with the deflation next update

[indigo yacht]

defense isn't underpowered in lategame but otherwise ok

[hazy nacelle]

instead of making bast defense scale there could be more buff station later in progression

[north oracle]

@quaint pebble best suggestion ever
Nothing about how good an idea it actually is, just a really really good sugg

[golden sonnet]

I feel like there may be some bias.....

[north oracle]

Never

[quaint pebble]

Thanks

[half imp]

Correct

[drowsy plank]

so should we just flag this then? the basis for its argument it kind of moot atp

[half imp]

based on the balancing in 2.1 the chance of it passing if it makes it to dev is nearly 0

considering we've redone all of defense across the whole game and removed the scaling sources (warding, ironskin)

[mystic sandal]

Wait ironskin was scaling?

[glass arch]

yeha

[mystic sandal]

Why

[glass arch]

scaled like half of warding

[mystic sandal]

8 def post dog is still really good

[glass arch]

because people used to think warding was criminally bad

[mystic sandal]

I was people

[quaint pebble]

Where can I read about the changes in 2.1

[half imp]

There's a partial list in #changelogs

the full list will release with the update

[quaint pebble]

I looked there before making the suggestion

Damn

I thought it would be a reasonable suggestion

Sorry guys

[novel belfry]

[indigo yacht]

is defense going to only be overpowered now 💔

(compared to disgustingly overpowered

[half imp]

Yup

[crude geode]

wow

[clever wagon]

I was saying the first phase is fine in vanilla, as in it’s doable and the second phase is kind of BS

Yes I think the Calamity version is too easy the whole fight

[oblique birch]

damn no more scaling

the flattening goes hard

[lucid marsh]

chapacters

[whole tundra]

@acoustic merlin read the pinned document in #suggestions-posting

[mystic sandal]

Unfortunately voice acting is hard

Also the different localizations

[oblique birch]

I wouldn't want voice acting in Cal anyways

just my biased feeling I don't think it fits Terraria

[coral carbon]

Voice acting doesnt fit in terraria on its own but suggesting a "voice bot" is a definite not happening

[drowsy plank]

@acoustic merlin this has already been rejected many times

[gilded citrus]

#suggestions-posting message
isnt this literally happening to the important cal characters eventually

[drowsy plank]

yes

[next swift]

Cut to DoG blasting your headphones with “A GOD DOES NOT FEAR DEATH”

bros gonna start dealing symphonic damage too if he did that

[tiny minnow]

And the “kid” gets added to the voice lines but not readded to the accompanying text

[plush flame]

too late! already readded to the text

[clever wagon]

Kid is so corny 🫩

[gilded citrus]

Dog is the egomaniac edgelord who would do that tbf

[fleet grotto]

What tybe fuck is this 🫩

[plush flame]

unicode character you dont have

[fleet grotto]

I see it but wtf

[plush flame]

???

tired i think???

[drowsy plank]

oh is this that new iphone emoji

really funny that it just

isn't unicode encoded at all

lmao

[craggy girder]

Weary, i Think

[fleet grotto]

😩

[tiny minnow]

In a way I’m glad.

[clever wagon]

No that’s moaning

[wispy wraith]

why is nobody reading the suggestion doc recently

[grave zinc]

@pearl sapphire - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a consistent way to identify Elemental debuffs and weapons that apply them]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@jade crane - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Post Eye of Cthulhu bosses drop regular healing potions]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[indigo yacht]

insane

[keen zodiac]

recently??

[drowsy plank]

speak of the devil and he shall appear

@neat shuttle please read the rules document pinned above

[frail fox]

This sounds a lot like reworked Excelsus (what we’ve seen of it anyway) which is funny

[craggy girder]

am i insane or is their entire post like

sectioned.

like a phone??

[ripe owl]

seems to be

[neat shuttle]

I'm sorry, did i break any rules on the server? I read them

[drowsy plank]

the rules document is at the top of #suggestions-posting and pinned in here as well i believe

[neat shuttle]

Am i still able to edit my suggestion?

[indigo yacht]

yes

[neat shuttle]

Considering how big DoG is going to be in the new version, i think that's just another reason why i suggest my idea

[humble scarab]

the DoG big resprite most prob wont be used

[plush flame]

also even when the resprite was fully intended to be used it wasnt gonna be for this fight

big dog was for distortion update

this rework coming up is just a placeholder because the fight sucks turbo ass right now

[lucid marsh]

yes, but to save you the time: suggesting items to be added is against the rules entirely

[neat shuttle]

Oh

Sad

[craggy girder]

you Could learn to Code and make it yourself though

[lucid marsh]

technically you can suggest that an item shoud be added but you can't specify what the item is, you can only explain what problems need to be solved by adding an item

[craggy girder]

naybe it’ll be cool enough that you could become a Dev Yourself

[neat shuttle]

I had ideas, but when it comes to coding myself.. i just know there are people who are great at coding and maybe they'll like my idea

And i forgot about excelsus existence

[craggy girder]

Valid; mentioning in Suggestions sadly isnt the right place

[neat shuttle]

In only cases where it might be cool, is adding it on getfixedboi seed, since DoG is huge there, it would add another layer of extreme difficulty

[grave zinc]

@pearl sapphire - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a consistent way to identify Elemental debuffs and weapons that apply them]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[half imp]

This should have been flagged before

Oh well

Also this most recent poster is going to love the excelsus rework

[humble scarab]

@neat shuttle ^

[neat shuttle]

Let's go

[neat shuttle]

Does that mean my suggestion has a chance to be added in the mod?

[humble scarab]

it just means devs already reworked excelsus which might behave similliar to what you asked for

[neat shuttle]

Oh so i guessed

Nah, if they even named it "the cosmic rend" that would be crazy guess

[ripe owl]

Nah

The name is much cooler

[neat shuttle]

The Excelsus one?

[ripe owl]

Yes

It's been reworked and renamed

Just you wait

[whole tundra]

Watch as this one will pass

[neat shuttle]

"Godslayer's Bite" sounds cool too ngl

[keen zodiac]

how about maw of infinity

(the actual name)

[half imp]

smh leaking

(I don't care it's fine)

[dense locust]

isnt it litterally already public or am I going insane

[half imp]

I don't think it is no

but I might be wrong

time to check the Kiri chart

It appears I am a little stupid

it is public

[dense locust]

its fine I assume everything is a leak unless specified

[drowsy plank]

lol

[errant wren]

leak? you guys might wanna call a plumber

[tiny minnow]

Yahoo

[sleek sable]

holy how was that over 24 hours ago

[errant wind]

Because

Nobody talked here in 24 hours

[errant wren]

my joke killed the conversation, obviously

[next swift]

mario n' luigi aint good enough to fix that

[drowsy plank]

@keen zodiac technically you shouldn't be mentioning 2.1 in your suggestion, but also, it's nearly entirely irrelevant to your point so idk

might be safer to just remove the mention of it but that's just me

[hazy nacelle]

speculative suggestion anyway?

[keen zodiac]

we shall see

[glass arch]

waiter waiter more direct crafted upgrades please

[craggy girder]

we should have a precursor to the ornate shield in prehardmode so you can have a ramdash your entire playthrough

[keen zodiac]

personally, crafting things feels a lot more rewarding to me than being handed it from a bag

[craggy girder]

also this mildly implies that Elysian Wings should be their specific expert

[keen zodiac]

it does not

[craggy girder]

or, it having 2 more accs on top is "overwhelming"

i get the Idea but not the Concept

[keen zodiac]

i meant that 2-3 guaranteed accessories from one boss is significantly more than the usual 0-1

[patent nimbus]

id like to add that the aegis already feels like an upgrade to valor

it doesnt feel like a separate, new accessory that does its own thing, like other boss drops

it just feels like valor but better, which (imo) gives justification for it being a crafted upgrade instead of a boss drop

[drowsy plank]

for all intents and purposes, it is. they do the same thing but aegis is just stronger statistically

it's not like vanilla magic weapons where they have similar functionalities but do different things at their core

[indigo yacht]

as it currently stands, there are 14 calamity bosses that drop 1 accessory, 6 that drop 2, and 4* that drop 3, and 1 that doesn't drop any, not counting providence (who technically drops 4). of these, none of them are expert exclusive

i have no opinion on this suggestion, but saying that "bosses usually have 1 accessory that's expert exclusive" is false

as for vanilla bosses, queen bee has 1 classic and 1 expert mode accessory, while golem and empress* have 2 classic and 1 expert.
also fun fact ml has 2 expert mode accessory drops

[indigo yacht]

*ravager drops 3 accessories but one is post providence

[indigo yacht]

*one of empress' classic drops is purely cosmetic but it is still an accessory

[keen zodiac]

how many of those are guaranteed

[indigo yacht]

dunno

[dense locust]

the cal bosses or the vanilla ones

[keen zodiac]

all

[indigo yacht]

probably like half of them

[sleek sable]

that is correct

[obsidian nova]

How would you get Bat Hook if it's not Halloween though
Plus, I think most people would get one of the biome mimic hooks (or at least a dual hook) while farming in early Hardmode

[indigo yacht]

bat hook is dropped from vampires in cal

[drowsy plank]

pleas remove hardmode lock on solar tablets so i can get preHM bat hook and moon stone 🙏

[indigo yacht]

tue...

[drowsy plank]

you still need to hoik anyway plus it would be funny for WoFless%

[dense locust]

I mean there was this but

[drowsy plank]

oh right ig you can kill dest

[obsidian nova]

Wait, is it getting removed? I remember seeing it getting a resprite and not being in the removed content list

[glass arch]

pretty sure its dying

[obsidian nova]

Isn't there a spring hook in thorium

[glass arch]

even if there is why cant there be one in cal

[indigo yacht]

how do you fight plantera before hardmode

[royal tapir]

Stuffed Fish hasn't died and I know of no plans to remove it

[keen zodiac]

you can't

but you can fight destroyer

[indigo yacht]

I'm asking about the plantera requirement

for solar tablet

[dense locust]

trapper bulbs are dying so presumably the spawn item will be obtainable

[keen zodiac]

unless they add souls of light/night
which would make sense with the lore

[dense locust]

night would still be possible

its light thats the problem

[keen zodiac]

this is true

[obsidian nova]

What bulbs?

[keen zodiac]

of the trapper variety

[dense locust]

"the trapper bulb is a hardmode crafting material dropped by angry trappers. it is used to craft the living dew, miracle fruit, photosynthesis potion, and the portabulb"

[obsidian nova]

Man, why is every crafting material getting removed

[keen zodiac]

bloat

[drowsy plank]

bc most of them are bad

im not opposed to crafting materials, but most of the ones calamity added were shit

used in a total of a whopping three items usually

[humble scarab]

ye

[hazy nacelle]

and jungle has half of the added materials

[sleek turret]

ancient bone dust, the uhh demonic ashes (?), trapper bulb, what else

Murky paste

[drowsy plank]

the biome that already has!!! the most items!!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/avgn-angry-video-game-nerd-what-were-they-thinking-what-are-they-thinking-confused-gif-17417919

[tepid crown]

no you see its very clever because the jungle has even more importance in it because of yharim

[hazy nacelle]

murky paste has no excuses, trapper bulb at least is a hardmode exclusive

[tepid crown]

[drowsy plank]

thank god "the jungle tyrant" died with the rewrite

[drowsy plank]

beetle juice

i do sometimes wish we got desert feathers back just bc they made sense for desert prowler but most crafting materials were just Bad

[sleek turret]

oh my god that too

what was beetle juice used for, like, just one acc I think right?

living dew

blighted lens....

[drowsy plank]

blighted lens was fine

it helped let people actually know calclone existed

generally i consider that a positive

[indigo yacht]

they should add back every crafting material ever

[sleek turret]

welcome back exxo avalon

[drowsy plank]

also when beetle juice was removed the only thing it was used for was vitamins

[indigo yacht]

i think it would be funny if there was a crafting material that did actually nothing and was completely useless and had no crafts

[sleek turret]

(item alredy easily obtained)

[drowsy plank]

we do not need this back
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Energy_Orb

[humble scarab]

for gfb seed it would be funny

[indigo yacht]

this is peak wym

[drowsy plank]

dw im sure we'll get these too
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Chaos_Serpent_Shard

honestly i could see energy orbs having become energy cores, the ones that drop from wulfrum enemies

they're nearly identical in name and presentation but energy cores are actually good

[sleek turret]

slightly off tangent here but now talking about desert feathers reminds me exxo avalon also had them and they were like equally used to how calamity used them I think

[drowsy plank]

funny right

[sleek turret]

I understand why these things were added because exxo avalon also had these 3 items ever materials

[distant gyro]

im pretty sure desert feathers were also removed during the avalon purge for that related reason

[craggy girder]

solar eclipses

a secret seed where every single item is used once and never again

its up to the devs to figure out what upgrades into what

the Last and Final Item is an Auric Toilet

[dense locust]

mfw that means adding back slur powder

speaking of material bloat

why are mysterious circuitry and dubious plating 2 seperate items

litterally the only difference between the 2 is that dubious plating is slightly more plentiful

(and therefore occasionally costs more)

even then its inconsistent

like

[static brook]

Just double checking, im allowed to post in the "suggestions posting" channel yeah?

All i wanted to say was a renaming of an entity

[dense locust]

as long as you have a title and body part of your message it should be fine

suggestion

reasoning

and it should be fine

[static brook]

Sick, alright

Thanks

[hazy nacelle]

some furniture recipes use one but not the other

but the plating should probably get removed

as some of the draedon blocks and furniture that could use it, don't

[fleet grotto]

I don't think there needs to be an example of how you would change it, as that's up to the devs and generally is discouraged

But I think the suggestion is fine otherwise

[static brook]

Oh true..

[dense locust]

a lot of thse should probably use the other anyway
like what do you mean the laboratory server doesnt use circuitry

• we still have lab plating

[hazy nacelle]

yeah exactly the laboratory plating and rusted plating are still there

[whole tundra]

Well the example is relevant to the suggestion as it includes the real world animal that the Bobbit Worm is inspired by and shares its name with

[fleet grotto]

well like i don't see the point in suggesting names for it i thought that was generally discouraged

[dense locust]

this suggestion is worded kinda weirdly
am I correct in thinking this is asking for an infinite coin pouch for use with specifically crackshot/midas

[hazy nacelle]

way too specific to have an accessory for literally two weapons

[drowsy plank]

insane suggestion in the fact that a real animal is getting renamed lmao

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/how-to-rename-a-species

[keen zodiac]

void striker worm is peak though

[eternal escarp]

this caused me to read real life animal lore and wow

that name origin is wild

[fleet grotto]

i don't really like the idea of an infinite coin pouch what with how calamity makes money so easy to get anyways

[sleek turret]

solutions for problems that never existed I think

[surreal pebble]

I mean the blood moon a zerg potion and standing next to magic storage works just fine. And I'm sure there's infinitely better ways

[polar bison]

Yeah that name change is for the better

[sleek turret]

in calamity money is kinda just given free considering many things such as zerg + profitable events (pirate invasion, maybe the seasonal moons idk), boss grinding

old reliable boc/eow farming because cal has the thing with non-consumable boss items

crackshot uses copper and silver right, and midas gold

[prisma sedge]

Hell, I was able to get crazy amounts of gold pre-boss by going into a beehive and shredding everything in it

[prisma sedge]

I think it's kind of funny that it says "So when Gosliner came to a menacing predatory worm—bestowed with both a phallic shape and scissor-like jaws"

The phallic shape in question? Worm

[sleek turret]

also consider that uhh the coins for midas prime and crackshot colt are able to come from piggy bank so money pouch is redundantt

[crude geode]

This suggestion just feels like I have to actually manage my coins and I don’t like that

[drowsy plank]

i have no idea what this is asking

something about coins sure but it's not very specific

[hazy nacelle]

it's like three things in one

[surreal pebble]

Yeah it's not very clear

[oblique birch]

a rename in Earth new changelogs patch is crazy

wait a minute that's from 2019

oh it has already been renamed nvm

it's just that the old name is much more popular

[half imp]

other names for the species include trap-jaw worm

I think we should just name it "Eunice aphroditois" and never worry about it again

[craggy girder]

i think naming it after a Spouse and Aphrodite would Suck

sorry, not a spouse, they were a Nereid associated with Victory

i do like sandstriker

[half imp]

(it's the scientific name of the animal)

(it would suck from that alone)

[craggy girder]

yes but still

[idle dagger]

I agree with the article's thoughts on renaming it but I don't think I love sand striker

[idle dagger]

i like this one better

I mean for the actual worm btw unrelated to the calamity entity

[coral carbon]

crazy that they ever named it that in the first place

[prisma sedge]

Yeah, I wonder if there'd at least be a better name to describe striking from sand
Since it seems like that's what the name means to refer to, but yeah, it comes off as if it's striking the sand itself

[half imp]

trapjaw is a lot better for cal specifically

Since haha no sand

[keen zodiac]

voidstriker worm..

[indigo yacht]

worm

[keen zodiac]

[half imp]

the worm does not have enough aura nor the vibes for voidstriker to work

[keen zodiac]

make it better then

[half imp]

no

[keen zodiac]

damn

[indigo yacht]

bitey bite worm

[half imp]

I'll make it more threatening

(you can't see it as well)

[half imp]

make it bitey bite wormy and I'm sold

[indigo yacht]

acceptable compromise

[prisma sedge]

Actually fair, Voidstriker sounds more fitting for like...the Reaper Shark

[half imp]

Trapjaw Worm is what my personal vote would be in case of a rename

and then Trapjaw Hook

[keen zodiac]

voidsharker

[prisma sedge]

Perfect

[prisma sedge]

Or actually, maybe you could even call it an...Abyss Sharker

[indigo yacht]

🔥 ✍️

[keen zodiac]

infinite coins would completely break the balancing of the weapons

it's risky for a reason

[drowsy plank]

@feral plume hey btw if you want your suggestion to pass it needs to be heavily revised, i don't know if anyone pinged you about this but i can't even tell what it's asking for right now

ngl tho while it's not a valid suggestion the idea of an bottomless bag of copper coins for the sake of crackshot colt or coin gun but explictly as an accessory so it is weaker than the usual ammo types like bottomless musket bag or quiver is a very interesting concept

[keen zodiac]

wait might be true

[feral plume]

Like an accessory that allows you to press a button that launches a coin like the midas prime or the Crackshot Colt that doesn't use coins but doesn't give them and there's a little box somewhere on the screen that displays the coins in the same way ultrakill does and there's a decent cool down on each coin with each coin only adding like 5 to 10 percent damage or something so it's mostly for the fun of trying to launch and hit the coun during a battle

[keen zodiac]

yeah that's WAY too specific for a suggestion

you need to give the devs a lot of freedom to implement it

[feral plume]

I figured

[keen zodiac]

so you basically want more weapons like wulfrum screwdriver is what i'm getting

very understandable

[tardy smelt]

HUH

[feral plume]

Yeah, More weapons with mechanics that are more fun than practical

[spare bison]

hi just want to say you can't really "rename" a common name, thats not how it works. common names aren't really something scientific they're just whatever the general populace uses to call an organism, thus if people overall still call it a bobbit worm it'll still be seen as a common name ( + there can be multiple common names for an animal, so sandstriker/bobbit worm aren't mutually exclusive.)
#suggestions-posting message

thanks for listening to my ted talk

[drowsy plank]

i dont know what your point is

we should probably still change it

[spare bison]

I don't have one i just felt obliged to say this because i'm a biology nerd and wanted to clarify this because the suggestion said it's "getting renamed" which is wrong

this has no bearing whatsoever on what i think about the suggestion itself

[drowsy plank]

fair

[half imp]

I don't think the rename is really necessary but there's more reason to do it then not do it

so might as well do it

[clever wagon]

Was my suggestion to make Moon Lord more difficult in Calamity difficulties acknowledged? Should I make a post?

[kind laurel]

Is it worth it to suggest anything right now or should I just wait until brainstorm?
(I can't really keep track of what accessories are coming and not coming with the huge changelog)

[half imp]

honestly probably worth waiting, 90% of the "accepted" suggestions within the last few months are entirely just "we already did this"

[crude geode]

Yeah

There’s a reason this chat is pretty quiet for right now and for good reason

[keen zodiac]

here's most of them

[severe sparrow]

that mirror blade resprite is fire

[keen zodiac]

[kind laurel]

Yeah, I've seen that chart

If that's everything I could suggest what I'm thinking

[craggy girder]

i was about to ask "is it too specific" but youre asternove

you make good suggestions

[kind laurel]

The suggestion was to add more offensive accessories from after DoG to before Exos/SCal but after checking the wiki I can't tell if there's actually as few as I thought or if they all just kinda stink (who's using Yharim's Gift over Radiance)

[drowsy plank]

i mean the post-DoG powerspike is real

there's way to much stuff on that tier

there's a reason rampart got moved

[kind laurel]

The suggestion would've both post-Yharon as well as post-DoG since it felt inconsiderate to leave out the broken defensive accessories a single boss away

[dense locust]

yeah it was a vain attempt to stop the rampart glazing

[dense locust]

this would be a fine number of weapons for like, post provi or even post golem
the problem is that this is post dog and 90% of these weapons are going to be irrelevant 10 minutes after killing yharon

theres nothing to use them on

[kind laurel]

Yeah it might just be that defensive accessories are way too good
"make offensive builds viable in the endgame" is a can of worms of a suggestion that I don't really know how to go about writing

[dense locust]

"oh but the post dog events"
half these weapons take ACE to craft you literally cant get them until after the event refights anyway

[dense locust]

ok its actually not as many as I remember but a lot of them take 1-2 pieces of ACE so its similar in effect

[drowsy plank]

guys what if instead of just keeping the dogshit moon refights in instead we got a distortion reactor that did what the nether reactor core from mobile minecraft used to do
https://minecraft.wiki/w/Nether_Reactor_Core

[kind laurel]

I think I actually mistyped here
Post-DoG and post-Yharon felt extremely defensive-oriented so I thought there weren't enough offensive accessories, but after I checked I can't tell if there's actually too few or if the defensive accessories around those tiers are just so good that and even quanity still feels polarizing

[pure verge]

the Yharmy event (if it gets implemented) should be post-DoG just to fix this and also let a good of these weapon's strong crowd control capabilities have a chance to shine

[drowsy plank]

that wont fix the DoG powerspike

the drops should just be spread out more

[glass arch]

they feel very defensive focused because holy fuck so many of them are busted

[kind laurel]

wasn't what I was suggesting

Though it's still a good idea

[glass arch]

adding more offensive accessories doesnt exactly make it feel less defensive if those offensive accessories arent competing with the defensive accessories, which they probably wont be

[drowsy plank]

my point is i dont think calamity is lacking offensive accessories all things considered, it just what doobie said, there are just a lot of very strong defensive accessories bc there are just

a lot of accessories there

if they were nerfed and spread out more it'd probably be fine

[glass arch]

in the same way so much of early game doesnt feel like theres as much assorted shit there as there is, none of it is actually competitive with other things and is just overblown

[drowsy plank]

500 ore variants

[kind laurel]

Yeah, after writing the quantities side-by-side it's just that offensive accessories are bad and forgettable against Chalice, Rampart, and Radiance

[drowsy plank]

p much

doesnt help that most of the accessories, at least the good ones, on that tier are class locked

[tepid crown]

theres also the fact that the defensive accessories are usually a lot more than just

[hazy nacelle]

more number to a number that is already pretty big from armor

[tepid crown]

"stat up"

[drowsy plank]

ture.............

[dense locust]

people tend to underrate the power of big number but yes

[tepid crown]

well actually radiance is just stat up but its specifically a not common one on accessories and also it has the additional effect of halving duration of heat and sickness debuffs

[hazy nacelle]

debuff resistances and immunities are too important

[glass arch]

radiance also has actual conditions for said uncommon stat boosts

[drowsy plank]

at least immunities are getting scaled back

[tepid crown]

but yea like imagine instead of energy barriers and bleed mechanic we had

+30 def and idk

20% dr

like ofc ud just forget about them because theyre just boring

[kind laurel]

I feel like offensive v defensive balance would be a lot better if there was an auric-tier, not-just-stats offensive accessory on par with Rampart/Radiance but that's starting to get a bit specific

[glass arch]

an offensive accessory with very much conditional crit damage boosts will feel a lot more unique than permanent 15% damage and 8% crit rate

[dense locust]

doesnt help much tbh assuming this is refering to mainly accessories

[drowsy plank]

im just referring to everything in general on that tier

aster is specifically referring to accessories

[glass arch]

issue is like

that being on par with the defensive accessories means its going to be fucking broken

[drowsy plank]

im ngl

is this even true?

[dense locust]

no

[glass arch]

its certainly a lot easier to quantify

[drowsy plank]

im looking at other tiers and is the idea of an offensive vs. defense unbalance between accessories even a thing??

most tiers just

[dense locust]

stacking 5 offensive accessories to kill yharon in 90 seconds is not broken

[drowsy plank]

have less offensive accessories

[dense locust]

imo

[drowsy plank]

in general

[hazy nacelle]

since crit has an actual cap you can't make crit OP by having it sprinkled around more

[glass arch]

we need to cap defense

clearly

[drowsy plank]

dw we got crit damage now

[keen zodiac]

the humble crit damage stat:

[drowsy plank]

still, my point is like

[keen zodiac]

exclusive to eye of the golem next update

[dense locust]

nuh uh

[drowsy plank]

"imbalance" implies there was ever an equal amount of defensive and offensive accessories

[dense locust]

^

phm has like
6 offensive accessories total in vanilla
and thats fine

[hazy nacelle]

it's just that everyone can use defensive accessories but offensive accessories are class locked for the most part

[kind laurel]

Most of this stems from my experiences with a true glass canon build on my first playthrough v a tank build on my second
I get I was playing a difficulty I already beat but the Yharon/SCal/Exos attempts averaging 2 on the latter and 30ish on the latter is a lot

[drowsy plank]

that also isn't helping the idea of parity between them but also like

i dont want there to be as many offensive as defensive accessories lmfao

[dense locust]

flower magma ooa pygmy stn feral I think?
like ofc theres weird shit like honeycomb and its tinkers but like

[drowsy plank]

sure the defensive ones are busted rn but when offensive ones are busted they're just stupid

[glass arch]

yeah

[drowsy plank]

well yeah when you're playing glass canon you have to play perfectly because you have no defense
when you're tanking, it doesnt matter what your skill level is, you can just win in a battle of attrition by not dying

these are just like. fundemental parts of game design

[dense locust]

hmm, if only we had an overpowered offensive accessory to compare this phenomenon to, one around pre moon lord, sadly we are lacking any item like that

[glass arch]

thats part of my point, in order for you to feel like most offensive accessories are individually as good as defensive accessories are, said offensive accessories have to be incredible

[dense locust]

do you though?

post dog is kind of the exception rather than the rule

[glass arch]

yes i would say so

[drowsy plank]

(this is because defensive options are unbalanced rn)

i love the fabsolian boss design arms race

[dense locust]

like if you mean "on par with shit like ursa or dheart" then yeah no shit

but like compared to more modest options like living dew or hero shield or blood pact

I think thats doable

[glass arch]

yeah i know that

[hazy nacelle]

defensive accessory upgrades just combine multiple amazing effects together, offensive ones just barely make the number bigger

[drowsy plank]

i think the bands will be nice and noticable next update

[dense locust]

yeah if anything I'm worried next update has tipped the scales wayyy too far in the other direction

[drowsy plank]

the problem is it's hard to make unique offensive accessories that aren't just stupid because most unique offensive options would require like, projectiles, and as soon as you're giving extra projectiles for a class balance just fucking explodes, just look at luxors

[glass arch]

rogue

[hazy nacelle]

maybe it all stems from class emblems starting off with 15% but making that go higher with each upgrade would get out of hand fast

[dense locust]

I mean
stuff like bone glove I would say is fairly balanced rn

[drowsy plank]

nerf all class emblems to 10%

[dense locust]

this is not the solution.

[drowsy plank]

it was a JOKE

[tepid crown]

buff class emblems to 30%

[keen zodiac]

buff destroyer emblem to 100%

[hazy nacelle]

it is weird though, just look at ranger accs in vanilla

[dense locust]

unironically could work but not in calamity

[drowsy plank]

id prefer not to

just reminded of the fact that quivers are stupid

[kind laurel]

As someone who likes class mixing in Vanilla it sounds awful to lose that much damage before avenger

[drowsy plank]

i love my class specific accessory that is worse than generic damage boosts

[glass arch]

i forgot ranged had vanilla accessories ngl

[kind laurel]

but that's off topic

moving on

[tepid crown]

never forget what they took away from us

nerfed from multiplicative to additive

[dense locust]

the crux of the offensive item issue is that offensive items are never allowed to grow
you can be a post moon lord damage accessory and you still get balanced around being roughly on par with a fucking emblem

[drowsy plank]

oh i was referring to the fact that generic damage buffs ammo and weapons but quivers only effect bows

[kind laurel]

Doesn't Molten Quiver still inflict On Fire
In Hardmode

[tepid crown]

yea

[dense locust]

cal makes it hellfire

iirc

[tepid crown]

because they just turn wooden arrows into flaming arrows

[drowsy plank]

cal fixes it yes

so it inflicts hellfire

[dense locust]

and then guts the damage anyway so like whats the point

[drowsy plank]

guts the damage!! that is already suboptimal on rangers anyway!!!!!!!

[dense locust]

because again being on par with fucking putrid scares them

[hazy nacelle]

molten quiver be like literally "if you're stingy and using endless quiver you get a slight buff"

[drowsy plank]

yeah

i LOVE red code

[hazy nacelle]

and some bows convert wooden arrows anyway

[sleek turret]

endless quiver is funny, with like 10 gold you can get all the arrows you could possibly want

[kind laurel]

That's why damage bonuses don't carry over to Stalker's Quiver

[hazy nacelle]

oh this combines with putrid scent, so I get more damage and crit, right..... right?

and that happens twice

[dense locust]

3 times :)

meanwhile the flesh knucles tinkers all inherit at least part of the defense boost

[lost spire]

to chip in 95% of summoner being so good is just having usable offensive accessories

every other class gets a main accessory with a slight boost that doesn't stack with downgrades

meanwhile summoner has at least 2 really good damage accessories at most tiers and can stack the scroll thingy too

[dense locust]

*actually most main class lines stack with each other summoner and melee are just weird

[lost spire]

oh fr?

[dense locust]

I mean mage and rangers "Class lines" are just glorified emblems

so yeah

[hazy nacelle]

yeah they just stack

[lost spire]

oh those

[dense locust]

technically melee's stack too just not the melee speed

[lost spire]

yeah they're not bad but don't stack super well in my experience

you only need so much mana reduction and 15% damage is worthless by the time you can stack

[drowsy plank]

@hybrid lichen we're not doing that

[dense locust]

and like I guess rogue exists but like I think a dodge accessory stacking would be more than a little silly

[lost spire]

meanwhile raanger wants armor penetration more than raw damage because every usable weapon fires 30000 bullets

[hazy nacelle]

I'm reading size and knockback don't stack, is speed not stacking Calamity's doing?

[dense locust]

• rogue has like a billion accessories anyway

yes

[drowsy plank]

chat can we pleas leave zenith alone 🙏

[dense locust]

no nerf it and dont retier it actually

[hazy nacelle]

that's so silly, speed is hard to utilize

[dense locust]

the melee speed incident

[drowsy plank]

remove all effects from zenith and turn it into a really big shortsword

[lost spire]

iirc most false melee weapons don't even shoot faster with speed buffs

[dense locust]

well you see....

[kind laurel]

Frankly the only time I remember it being good was for Terra Blade
Which admittitedly was pretty busted pre-nerf

[dense locust]

thats true in vanilla
unfortunately

[hazy nacelle]

Terra Blade is busted

it wasn't even the speed putting it over, really

[kind laurel]

It's the intentionally busted golden child that really just hurts game balance

[prisma sedge]

Honestly, I just don't really see the point of this
Both the suggested method and the one that's been used are both solutions to the main problem, the one that's being used is just less intrusive on the item's state in vanilla

[lost spire]

didn't relogic realize that melee was unwashed ass and buff it to the moon to make up for it?

which is why a sword shoots bigass green blades all over

[dense locust]

no they buffed one singular line of weapons

and like
horsemans blade

[lost spire]

well yeah but it's kind of the default melee weapon line in vanilla

and drippler crippler ig

[dense locust]

calling a crippler nerf in 1.4.5

[tepid crown]

crippler will get a nerf and shadowflame knife will stay as the goat clearly

[dense locust]

true...

actually no

[lost spire]

unironically a good GFB idea

[drowsy plank]

they're gonna buff melee by adding the shadowflame fork so you can finally eat your food

[dense locust]

buff melee by giving beetle armor a 4th beetle

[drowsy plank]

😱

[kind laurel]

Buff Melee by removing every other class

[dense locust]

@doze roots or something

[indigo yacht]

this suggestion has no reasoning, i will not comment further

[tepid crown]

buff melee by changing turtle to be good

[indigo yacht]

it is solely focused on how rather than why

[lost spire]

on the topic i'm glad a lot of the homing melee weapons are getting reworked in brainstorm
through block homing with no dropoff is a bit much for the class that theoretically gets close to enemies
might do a couple melee playthroughs if it stops feeling like mage for cowards

[indigo yacht]

also it's weirdly aggressive

[dense locust]

"I will not comment further"
comments further

[tepid crown]

also it calls zenith a cheese weapon which

no.

[indigo yacht]

yeah what if i threw you into the sun

[dense locust]

I'd parry

[drowsy plank]

parrying the sun

[indigo yacht]

🤸

                                     🦼 🏌️

[dense locust]

look if I'm going down I'm taking the source of continued human survival with me

[crude geode]

tech the throw and do my aegis setup

[kind laurel]

Me using Ark of the Cosmos on Xeroc in 5029:

[lost spire]

just use a gravitation potion smh

[dense locust]

optimistic release date

[crude geode]

Anyways yeah this suggestion is very wack

[tepid crown]

was looking at the vanilla melee weapons and oh my god i just remembered keybrand exists

this happens everytime i look at this page

😭

[dense locust]

one of the weapons of all time

[indigo yacht]

unfortunately

[crude geode]

Melee weapons are truly an enigma

[kind laurel]

"ah yes let's introduce a basic broadsword to compete with everything else"

[lost spire]

it was a nice class in classic mode where bosses do 10 damage and are just an equipment check

fun to unga bunga them

[tepid crown]

oh well you see its not basic actually because it has uhhh
reads wiki page
increased base crit chance and increases damage depending on how low the enemy's hp is...

[crude geode]

Sure does

[kind laurel]

If I were a dev I'd make every melee weapon actually melee
Luckily mods exist but oh wait I can't do that either

[dense locust]

gotta love how all but like 7 of these are total dogshit in vanilla

conveniently, all but one of those 7 goes into zenith!

[indigo yacht]

i think they should have stopped giving the like, bar/armor materials the same 4 weapons every time after wood tbh

[kind laurel]

Melee weapons have so many fillers it could be classified as a One Piece reference

[tepid crown]

most of these are pre boss

🫗

[indigo yacht]

we don't need iron swords and bows

[tepid crown]

also wait why is falcon blade so low

[sleek turret]

i think these mostly serve as in like either consistency or just "hey we have an alternative that deals 1-2 points of damage if you really need to"

[tepid crown]

is it meant to be post bee???

[sleek turret]

like yea its awful because they all look the same but in occassions you might just want something so slightly better (atleast in vanilla)

[tepid crown]

actually wait no

what how is that list meant to be sorted

[dense locust]

I'm mostly ignoring the random ore shitters bc yeah
but like
purple clubberfish??
katana??
tentacle spike?
fucking phaseblade???

[sleek turret]

don't diss phaseblade its getting cooler in 1.4.5

[tepid crown]

tentacle spike is a pretty popular weapon in dst tbf

[crude geode]

^

[sleek turret]

the color is just a vanity thing of your preference

also doesn't katana have a slightly higher crit chance or is this a calamity change

[crude geode]

Phaseblade makes me want to vomit it’s literally just haha Star Wars reference

[tepid crown]

it has 19 crit chance compared to 4

(yes this is vanilla)

[sleek turret]

cannot blame them 🤷 vanilla tends to reference popular media a lot

[craggy girder]

remake the zenith to be kinda like the old Lightspeed

[sleek turret]

see: eclipse enemies

[dense locust]

even only going gold broadword onwards I would say theres like 15 or so of those that are just bad, another two that are mostly just utility weapons, and then again, 7 weapons actually worth a damn

[craggy girder]

you stab forward and unleash a flying flurry of slashes

THAT is reasonable for ml tier :)

[sleek turret]

yea and clubberfish is like funny fishing item

[tepid crown]

ohjmy

oh my god

i forgot

[sleek turret]

which is the same for rockfish, sawtooth shark, swordfish, reaver shark,

[hazy nacelle]

they're mostly not actively bad, just too rare to obtain consistently

[tepid crown]

katana and keybrand are switched in dont dig up worlds oh my god

😭

[craggy girder]

i wont lie, half of the fishing weapons feel like they needed to put a weapon there instead of having fishing being for potions and alternative ore extraction

like i want you to look me dead in the eyes and tell me you've used the toxikarp

[tepid crown]

I have used Toxikarp.

[dense locust]

reminds me
why the actual fuck does spadefish exist

[sleek turret]

fishing weapons content,

[crude geode]

I’m a big fan of the crimson blade from fishing

[craggy girder]

stare me right in the eyes and say "I, [username here], have used the Purple Clubberfish to kill an ontier boss"

[dense locust]

should've picked a weapon that isnt like, good

[hazy nacelle]

I used toxicarp in no ammo allowed ranger run

[kind laurel]

Yeah, thank goodness Calamity doesn't do that

[sleek turret]

you also have obsidian swordfish (?)

[indigo yacht]

I've used the toxikarp

[sleek turret]

yea calamity references the latest favourite game the ex-owner of the mod last played

[severe sparrow]

mmmmmmmmm mgr (although that is something cal is working against)

[sleek turret]

like literally

[severe sparrow]

true that does happen a lot that i've heard

[crude geode]

The problem I have with it is that it’s literally just a broad sword and nothing else. Maybe it lights up, but so does the starfury

[craggy girder]

imagine the latest game Fabsol played and liked a lot was like

[severe sparrow]

-did

[craggy girder]

Minecraft.

[sleek turret]

no its just the truth

[craggy girder]

or Call of Duty Zombies

we'd be in Hell i think

[kind laurel]

At this point It Has to be This Way should just be Yharim's theme

[dense locust]

ok like yes but also
lets not pretend other devs haven't also put a metric fuck ton of references in the mod

[sleek turret]

like he would just add weapons and stuff based on his favourite games, of course there are some exceptions like crackshot colt (this was Iban)

[severe sparrow]

also asking to retier zenith is wild

[sleek turret]

well some of them are shadowspec stuff so its not that bad I think

[craggy girder]

zenith is the fuckiest weapon ever

[severe sparrow]

because that thing is inherantly ridiculously broken

[craggy girder]

goes from a mixture of broadswords to like

[tepid crown]

zenith is the _ _ weapon ever

[craggy girder]

a chainsaw????

a yoyo????????? what even is it

[severe sparrow]

that thing has infinite range, hits 12 times a second (iirc) and obliterates anything it is near

[craggy girder]

also somehow has the best dps in the entire game

[kind laurel]

"post moon lord modding is ruined"
-very cranky Nameless Deity

[tepid crown]

its a boomerang

[sleek turret]

like compared to adding something in progression points with a lot of weapons alredy just because you want the funny reference item

[severe sparrow]

its most similar to a boomerang

[sleek turret]

also, donor weapons

[severe sparrow]

those are wild cards

[sleek turret]

these are the epitome of reference weapons

[crude geode]

Donor weapons were a mistake that has been corrected yes lmao

[severe sparrow]

true
but that's cause of the donors

[sleek turret]

true

[craggy girder]

imagine a seperate mod thats made For Donor Weapons and Shit

what would change about base calamity

[crude geode]

Not so much corrected as plugging the wound

[sleek turret]

honestly I could make it one day

mod that locks donor stuff

[severe sparrow]

losing staples like Glorious End, flurrystorrm, kelvin catalyst, omniblade, tainted smg, and a lot more

[sleek turret]

only to update it every time cal updates because donor weapons backlog is still there

🥀

[severe sparrow]

oh yeah also all shadowspec

[craggy girder]

staples
omniblade
flurrystorm

[kind laurel]

There's a few weirdly normal-feeling donor weapons
eg the ones used in MM stuff

[craggy girder]

those are paper clips

barely tacks

[dense locust]

I like how half of these are only known for being bugged, being absurdly broken, or both

[craggy girder]

true

plague tainted smg is one that feels real

[dense locust]

evasion scarf

[craggy girder]

that one feels Fake

[oblique birch]

nice Zenith suggestion

[sleek turret]

TRUE donor/dedicated stuff is like that one providence acc

PSA right?

[oblique birch]

no what am I saying not nice Zenith suggestion

[dense locust]

what about it

[dense locust]

what about like
smoking comet

[crude geode]

LMAO

[tepid crown]

i assume they mean things that fit in calamity organically

[craggy girder]

thing is Gigantic

[sleek turret]

yea

[craggy girder]

yea

shit that feels like it Should Make Sense

like Glorious End does Not

[hollow shell]

:3c You're not a developer

[craggy girder]

Plague Tainted Does

[drowsy plank]

i know but i moreso meant this is like

[kind laurel]

Sealed Singularity?
Scorched Earth?
Idk I haven't used either

[craggy girder]

hm

[drowsy plank]

the 8th time people have asked to change zenith

[craggy girder]

scorched earth is like

that one book that shoots dirt

right

[hollow shell]

And the decision to place Zenith suchly was while Fabsol was still leading the team

May be worth presenting to the devs again

[drowsy plank]

sure whatever

[kind laurel]

no it's a rocket launcher

[dense locust]

I mean if you just want to kill all reference content we have a long list to go through

[drowsy plank]

it's gonna get rejected but if it gets us to add it to the donts we can do it again

[craggy girder]

oh, this is a rocket launcher

[severe sparrow]

also sorta surprising donor stuff can make it into major recipies like that
donor stuff should just be its own corner

[kind laurel]

bye bye Murasama

[craggy girder]

this does Not make sense

[dense locust]

like
polaris parrotfish
did you know that item was a reference? did you know without looking at the wiki first?

[sleek turret]

no reference calamity and then its like 1/3 of the content is gone

[indigo yacht]

this suggestion still has no reasoning

[craggy girder]

yea that one would get Nuked

[indigo yacht]

it's not a valid suggestion regardless of personal opinion

[sleek turret]

I should do that I think

[craggy girder]

abyss shocker Does make sense

[hollow shell]

👍 Thanks Cog

[craggy girder]

flurrystorm Also Does

[dense locust]

plaguenades are the item where like
how the hell is that a donor that just sounds like an item

[crude geode]

Peace in our time /s

[tepid crown]

isnt it a reference to cave story?

[craggy girder]

veering wind is Edging It

[dense locust]

correct

[severe sparrow]

it drops from things that shock you
not literally, but its called artistic liberties

[craggy girder]

cryogenic staff Makes Sense

[sleek turret]

[craggy girder]

it spawns a little Cryogen

[severe sparrow]

true
always found that thing weird

its also insanely good

like quite a few donor weapons

[dense locust]

anyway I think being negative towards weapons for "not making sense" is stupid

[tepid crown]

ok but cryogenic makes sense the same way psa does

[severe sparrow]

Glorious End is the extreme outlier there

[craggy girder]

cosmic shiv is a donor item???

that shit makes so much sense to stay around

[severe sparrow]

some donor items dont feel like donor items

[tepid crown]

a dev was obsessed with a certain boss and wanted more content for it

oop

[severe sparrow]

what

[tepid crown]

meant to reply to my own comment

[severe sparrow]

i see

[craggy girder]

like the Rainbow Party Cannon vs the Sealed Singularity

[tepid crown]

anyways how many of you know monster knives are dedicated or exist in the first place

[craggy girder]

you'd know if one was Real and one was Fake

[indigo yacht]

they're in class setups nice try

[dense locust]

like
none of this mod makes sense
the thing you use to fight the witch you've heard so much about is a funny altar you made out of a resource you conveniently didnt have access to until just recently and that somehow just like fucking summons her to you or some other vague bullshit

[craggy girder]

someone should make a "Donor, Not Calamity, or Real" challenge

where you guess if a weapon is a donor item, is not from calamity, or is in the game and not donor

[tepid crown]

none of this mod makes sense theres a random space set made of the souls of angry war prisoners and abyssal, magical light crystals

[severe sparrow]

some items are easy to tell if they're donor and some aren't

[craggy girder]

Plaguenades

[severe sparrow]

like you can't tell me Seven's Striker isn't screaming donor item

[craggy girder]

Plaguebringer Armor

[severe sparrow]

i forgot those are donor items

[dense locust]

^
yharim is casually like 140 or some shit and allegedly still about as strong as he was in his prime

[severe sparrow]

plague reaper

not plaguebringer

[craggy girder]

the Brimrose

[severe sparrow]

wait no im wrong

i thought plague reaper was donor

[craggy girder]

PSC

[tepid crown]

also like calamity has plenty of items that dont make sense and they arent dedicated

like solstice claymore

[dense locust]

like yeah vague magical attunement that is never properly explained

[severe sparrow]

genuinely plague reaper feels more dedicated contenty than plaguebringer

[sleek turret]

unironically true

[tepid crown]

bro thinks hes part of the elemental set or whatever

[severe sparrow]

also Tyranny's End is donor?????

[tepid crown]

yup

[sleek turret]

There's so many donor items

[dense locust]

nah see plaguebringer has flower boots in the recipe

thats how they get ya

[sleek turret]

The dedicated item tag was removed right

[severe sparrow]

Eclipse's Fall doesnt feel donor either

[tepid crown]

swordslplosion just

exists

[tepid crown]

no

[severe sparrow]

same with dragon pow

[sleek turret]

swordsplosion is such a silly thing

comes from the times we had RIVs

[tepid crown]

yin yo isnt donor either yet its just

like bro is just there

[severe sparrow]

also shattered community is a donor item

although its dedicated to Ozzy so that's something else i presume

[tepid crown]

dev

[dense locust]

all of bloodstone gear, really shut up I know about the rav retier

[craggy girder]

Dev Items are like

almost Always not Actual

[severe sparrow]

yeah that thing's ridiculous
isnt it like really bad

[craggy girder]

its horseshit lol

[dense locust]

no

it nukes provi

[sleek turret]

average rare item variant

[craggy girder]

nuking and being good are two different things in my head

[dense locust]

I mean in terms of design yeah its dogshit

[craggy girder]

is it consistantly good for its tier

[sleek turret]

seeing how malice mode was just made so that these could be guaranted boss drops

[dense locust]

but in terms of strength its good

[sleek turret]

🥀

[severe sparrow]

also i find it funny that piggy exists

[tepid crown]

its good on provi but i dont think its really that good on anything else i dont think?

[severe sparrow]

its a fine thing
its just a bit silly
i do like how the devs seem to plan on expanding on it soon

[tepid crown]

actually it might be good for cv due to balls but idk

[severe sparrow]

with the divine swine and horrible hog

[dense locust]

provi is the only boss that matters for early postml I'm gonna be real
like sure guards maybe but like

[severe sparrow]

i think guards are gonna be made a bit more important in the future considering they're giving an armor set eventually (TM)

[kind laurel]

otherwise every pre-Mech weapon would be good because Destroyer

[tepid crown]

oh my god i just remembered theres like 3 ice related sets in hm

🫗

[dense locust]

this is the first I'm hearing of this

[severe sparrow]

have you not seen subshocker against it

[dense locust]

frost, daed, whats the third

[severe sparrow]

literal delete button

[tepid crown]

wait no make that 4 because permafrost also has post frost moon stuff

[sleek turret]

core of eleum stuff?

[severe sparrow]

its on future content doc iirc

[tepid crown]

perma, cryogen, cryonic, perma post frost moon

[dense locust]

oh the profaned armor
yeah uhh

[indigo yacht]

by that logic you would also count the post mech stuff as another 'set'

[hazy nacelle]

some of those weapons exist only to be crafted into other weapons

[tepid crown]

PERMA HAS POST MECH STUFF TOO OH MY GOD I FUCKING HATE THIS

💥

[dense locust]

its cool and all
frankly I do not care about content that is not coming out for at least another 2 years

[tepid crown]

also like profaned armour probably wont be from guardians

[indigo yacht]

"yeah we might add this eventually after the heat death of the universe or we might not i dont really care right now tbh"

[dense locust]

"exploring profaned biome after guards" according to the doc
which like
yeah sure I look forward to it alongside the distortion in 2031

[kind laurel]

"We'll just add a temporary rework for funzies"

[indigo yacht]

you can probably find around as many for jungle items

and abyss

[dense locust]

remember when they said arsenal armor t1 was gonna be in a small post bountiful patch
and then it got pushed back to 2.1
and then it got pushed back again to a post 2.1 update

[indigo yacht]

if your frustration is the fact that they're (nearly) all from the same boss then i can see that

[kind laurel]

Arsenal got pushed back again?

[dense locust]

yes

its not happening in 2.1

we're getting like half the weapon reworks and thats it for now

[tepid crown]

iirc theres no assets for the gui stuff for arsenal armour things

[crude geode]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465195069406707722/1420933728838094898/spriter_hell.gif

[dense locust]

oh so its just never coming out 👍 gotcha

(that message in particular was sarcasm)

[sleek turret]

anyways uhh this suggestion, yea just put zenith there and rebalance it I think

[mystic sandal]

oh is it another zenith retier suggestion

ehhh, i mean maybe? but then a) meowmere is worse than zenith, and theres no reason to use meowmere now or b) zenith is worse than meowmere, and why did i craft this

this is a problem in vanilla as well but it doesnt really Matter because theres nothing after ml anyways

[crude geode]

There’s multiple options at that tier anyways for melee??? Reducing it down to “oh this is better why would anyone use this” feels kinda. wack

[dense locust]

its more blatent when the weapon is crafted into each other

[mystic sandal]

look at the current state of excalibur

its basically worthless because you immediately upgrade to true excal

and you cant really just make excal better because then why would i "upgrade" to true excal

[serene vapor]

please don’t do this, we don’t need to nerf the zenith

[mystic sandal]

we do need to nerf the zenith actually

its way too strong right now

i just dont think this is a smart way of doing that lol

[dense locust]

because it has more range?

[mystic sandal]

isnt the range difference only a few blocks at most? both are true melee at the end of the day

[sleek turret]

it happens because in cal hm ore progression they didn't account for that I think

[mystic sandal]

cant think of many attacks where a difference of a couple blocks would affect much

esp on like plant or calclone

[dense locust]

clone it definitely matters for

as does plant

[sleek turret]

well in vanilla you just replace the latest ore sword weapon with the stronger one which at any tier prior to true excalibur is just as soon as you kill any mech

[dense locust]

being able to more consistently hit bosses that are actively running from you as true melee is useful

[mystic sandal]

fair, didnt consider it like that

[sleek turret]

reminds me that this is also true for gungnir , gungir? fuck

[lost spire]

To be fair in calamity you don't really want either excalibur unless you're doing a true melee run

[dense locust]

true ex is actually pretty decent but yeah

[crude geode]

Forgot that meowmere upgrades into zenith god

[drowsy plank]

this suggestion is bad and i cannot imagine it wont get denied but rover wants it to go through so whatever