suggestions-discussion

[craggy girder]

joogle it

[drowsy plank]

im looking at the wiki and i dont see any pre-requisites for getting draedon's forge

besides yknow

the materials

[craggy girder]

he mentions a blueprint he sends you way

[drowsy plank]

oh okay i mean

maybe draetalk says something about that

but there's no like

mechanical lock

[craggy girder]

i thought there was what the heck

[drowsy plank]

like i said

i dont see anything about it on the wiki

[drowsy plank]

"I mentioned the first time we communicated through your "Code Breaker" that I had other reasons for giving you the blueprints for this forge."

[craggy girder]

“For this reason, I will upload blueprints for a copy of my forge to your “Code Breaker”.”

[drowsy plank]

"crafts a Draedon's Forge-exclusive recipe."

not

"crafts a Draedon's Forge"

[craggy girder]

im aware

[drowsy plank]

yeah no i mean

that is weird that you can just

[craggy girder]

it would make more sense to be this

[drowsy plank]

NOT see that

and still make it

[craggy girder]

exactly

[half imp]

hey at least then it's not a dark timeline where fabsol owned the most popular mod

[craggy girder]

he doesnt even MENTION draetalk

[prisma sedge]

Miradas' Touch

[craggy girder]

like i feel like he’d love to chat with us but he says nothing other than “if you wanna fight my guys again, you can”

man i love how we accidentally ragebait draedon

[prisma sedge]

It's like Midas' Touch, but you turn into Miracle Matter and die

[craggy girder]

“… and how it pains me to say this, “Skeletron Prime.””

[hazy nacelle]

miracle extractinator, you can put literally anything in it and it spits out miracle matter with the chance varying per item

[north oracle]

...true

[grave zinc]

@mystic sandal - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Retier Cryonic Ore to be mineable with Cobalt/Palladium Pickaxe]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@jade crane - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make more of a connection between Queen Slime and the Slime God]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@tardy smelt - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Sulphurous sand craftable into glass]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[grave zinc]

@dense locust - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[standardize lifesteal across all difficulties]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[distant gyro]

i dont actually know what this means

[ripe owl]

no way fluffy implemented their own cha- oh yeah it's a different fluffy

[distant gyro]

you can basically treat it as a lock if this wasn't in your vision

[glass arch]

i think it just means make lifesteal amount not affected by difficulty ??

or affected less by difficulty scaling

[distant gyro]

1. lifesteal is still affected by difficulty. vanilla ones. (Classic, Expert -- they didn't bother adding ones for master i guess but whatever
2. lifesteal is still nerfed in calamity because it was generally agreed that 30 hp per second in expert mode is absurdly overkill and is thus reduced to 9 hp/s (36 -> 12 in classic)

technical list of changes

Lifesteal cap
Old: 60 C / 50 E / 40 R / 30 D / 40 M / 30 MR / 20 MD
New: 80 C / 70 E
Vanilla: 80 C / 70 E

Lifesteal recovery
Old: 0.2 C / 0.15 E / 0.125 R / 0.1 D / 0.1 M / 0.075 MR / 0.05 MD
New: 0.2 C / 0.15 E
Vanilla: 0.6 C / 0.5 E

[obsidian nova]

Which one

Wait, huh?
I thought the devs said they're not going to do this

[prisma sedge]

I think it was just Cog

[north oracle]

It's a spriter hell suggestion

Fortunately it's something that was already in the works

[obsidian nova]

Cogs you

[ripe owl]

@bold blade that's not what the channel is for

[bold blade]

sorry

[ripe owl]

you're good, just read up next time

[bold blade]

Can you recommend any forums where i can share my idea

[ripe owl]

terrariaforums??

[bold blade]

cuz its an addon for calamity after all

yh

[ripe owl]

maybe try your luck at the tModLoader server, there should be a channel with something about teaming up and what not

[bold blade]

thank you, hope i find someone to team up with, or else, i will need to code the mod all by myself......

[wispy wraith]

have you seen heart of the elements

[north oracle]

that's not even anime that's just fabsol

[oblique birch]

WOW

oops capslock

[keen zodiac]

yeah miracle matter recipe has always been silly and nonsensical to me

it's just "random bullshit go"

[grave zinc]

@obsidian nova - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a fourth permanent mana upgrade post-Calamitas Clone/Plantera]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[random talon]

I am interested in your idea (although I doubt I will be able to contribute anything)

[sleek sable]

i would suggest a guide book in the inventory alike to those you would find in some minecraft mods

and maybe expand upon them like the one from terraria’s coralite

if we didn’t have calamity we wouldn’t have calamity fables

so i guess that’s something

[pure verge]

or a note inside the starter bag

[sleek sable]

that could work too

[obsidian nova]

[urban berry]

that's what I sent after sending that.

[obsidian nova]

And calamity vanities too

[sleek sable]

agreed

[tardy smelt]

Hardly a shocker I am afraid

[bold blade]

Dm me

[random talon]

I'd like to workshop a suggestion to unnerf the Rod of Harmony except when a boss is alive

concept is the Rod of Harmony would give Chaos State if you use it while a boss is alive / when you're in the Abyss

everywhere else is fair game

does that break any rules out of the gate?

I will take the silence as a no

[indigo yacht]

calamity isn't just supposed to be about fighting bosses you know

they're not going to make it so that you can just teleport anywhere outside of boss fights

[random talon]

if you say it's because exploration I will summon DoG directly inside you

[ripe owl]

"don't say things about sonic or I'll have to use my dinosaur mode" type of a comment

[random talon]

like, where do you go during post-ML?

[ripe owl]

underground

to mine

[indigo yacht]

you're aware they're going to add more non-boss content in post moonlord right

why would the devs shoot themselves in the foot in the meantime

[random talon]

for Providence, you go to the Underworld to get unholy essence. Demon Conch
afterwards, you get bloodstone. Pylons
Mining, I see your point, but we have the Onyx Excavator Drill already, which is just as fast

you're already teleporting all over the place post-ML

maybe I'd get not wanting to cheese the buffed Frost/Pumpkin moons and Solar Eclipse, but really?

[ripe owl]

trust me, if they did this instead of nerfing RoH directly, they've had reasons

[glass arch]

ok but why

[ripe owl]

and even if you suggestion passes to the voting, gets enough stars to pass into dev voting

[random talon]

is the reason "bc it's easier?"

[glass arch]

why is unnerfing rod of harmony a good idea why does that help the game

[ripe owl]

true

[glass arch]

giving it a cooldown kinda defeats the purpose of it being rod of discord but without a cooldown

[sleek sable]

i use the rod to teleport underground when purifying dunno if most others do the same

[random talon]

better than not using it at all (unless you have addons but that's besides the point)

[glass arch]

you already arent really using it in vanilla

that changes nothing

[random talon]

you'd think a post-ML content mod would be the chance to give you a reason to use it

[sleek sable]

wait i thought roh was post scal

[glass arch]

it is

[random talon]

I'm unsatisfied with the devs basically tossing it out of sight, out of mind

[glass arch]

the issue with rod of harmony is that its entire identity hinges on it being endgame

[sleek sable]

ahh

[glass arch]

its entire identity is cooldownless rod of discord which is insanely unbalanced giving it a cooldown even if just in bosses makes it for most intents and purposes, at least in current, just rod of discord but again

and in the future having it be cooldownless even outside of bosses has the issue of the distortion eventually existing

[tepid crown]

me when theres a different definition of post game in vanilla and modded

[random talon]

why not apply the nerf in the distortion as well?

[glass arch]

because then you have just turned the rod of discord upgrade into the same thing as rod of discord

[random talon]

I just think we could afford to be more flexible than just a flat nerf

[glass arch]

this IS just a flat nerf

[random talon]

by "flat nerf" I meant "devs moving it to after you did everything"

[glass arch]

yeah you just reinvented the nerf trying to undo the retier

[tepid crown]

vanilla roh is after u did everything too

[random talon]

whatever, you're right

I'm wrong

I'm sorry

[tardy smelt]

as things are right now it does feel a little like it

[indigo yacht]

supposed to be

[tardy smelt]

but otherwise I agree, arbitrarily restricting an item depending on whether or not a boss is alive further emphasises that boss centrism that the mod seems to be trying to move away from for one, and heavily detracts from interacting with the world post-Moonlord in any meaningful way for another, something that is already a pain point of Calamity post-moonlord and doesn't need to be exacerbated further

its best kept in Calamity's postgame

just as it is kept in vanilla's postgame

[random talon]

I mean, you're already teleporting around the world to get materials via shellphone, pylons, etc.

exception being mining for ores but that's Cavern pylon / Onyx Excavator Drill

[indigo yacht]

those are just not comparable to roh

pylons take setup time and can only go to a certain location

shellphone too

roh is teleport anywhere whenever

rod of discord is even easier to get than a pylon

[ripe owl]

what

no

[mystic sandal]

onyx excavator is dying

also pylons require work to set up

[indigo yacht]

you put the wizard in the hallow

[mystic sandal]

and encourage building which i think is good

[indigo yacht]

for a pylon you need to make sure they're happy first

[mystic sandal]

roh just encourages blasting through the game and getting to the next boss even more than it already is encouraged imo

[ripe owl]

literally just put party girl next to him???

[gilded citrus]

Not dying but getting nerfed iirc

[ripe owl]

it's not rocket science

[mystic sandal]

yeah thats what i meant

[indigo yacht]

that's still more effort than just buying rod lol

what's your point

[ripe owl]

that you're heavily exaggerating

like literally, just put guide and merchant, the two base NPCs, together in the forest biome

boom, a forest pylon

[indigo yacht]

and you feel the need to bring this up why

this is not contributing to the discussion in a meaningful way

[ripe owl]

I am baffled, you first say that getting RoD is easier than Pylon as if it really is rocket science

[random talon]

they're both equally easy

[ripe owl]

and then say that I'm a lunatic basically

[indigo yacht]

?

[ripe owl]

I am not saying that the otherwise is true

[gilded citrus]

When?

[ripe owl]

also it's not like buying rod will allow you to teleport halfway through the world in one click

[ripe owl]

okay now I am exaggerating, apologies

[drowsy plank]

unless you get universal pylon, ur not using pylons like how you use rod of discord

and also that would be the most absurd and obtuse way to try to bypass rod of discord's limitations

rod of harmony is post-endgame because it deserves to be there because it will inherently ruin any content that comes after it in terms of challenge be it boss or exploration

even vanilla knows that

[half imp]

rod is not easier to get than pylons because 2.1 removes the shop.sale

[half imp]

this

[worthy lintel]

rod of harmony sure doesnt result in harmony in the community...

[plush flame]

rod of harmony should be moved back to postml but it instantly kills you if you use it

[mystic sandal]

rod of harmony should be usable but only on sundays

[obsidian nova]

Honestly just kill RoH entirely

[obsidian nova]

Huh

[half imp]

I support this

[tardy smelt]

so, rod of discord before it became obtainable

if I am not misrecalling

right, this

[boreal lichen]

🔥

[royal tapir]

?????

Awesome

[undone vessel]

Structures

[dense locust]

👍

[jade crane]

If the rule is that a suggestion has to get 100 likes to be considered by the dev team, will these be looked at:

[tepid crown]

thats not the rule

[crude geode]

[gilded citrus]

Terraria used to have a killbind damn

[errant wind]

There’s no set amount of likes

[grave zinc]

@tardy smelt - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Sulphurous sand craftable into glass]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@tardy smelt - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Sulphurous sand craftable into glass]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[distant gyro]

addendum

might be a generational "made you look" move

however that did brought light into me looking into any sand recipe group and finding out that 1.4 made infected hardened sand any sand which has yet applied to astral and eutrophic

so +2 (UNRELATED)

[golden sonnet]

silly fish

[grave zinc]

@errant wind - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[make astral snow craftable into snowballs]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[tardy smelt]

Oh well it all worked out in the end

[sleek sable]

mm my suggestion made it to voting

now i wait.

[sleek sable]

mm noice

[errant wind]

Straight up to implemented

[tepid crown]

i would say citfix but considering the context its probably done by altix instead

an altfix perhaps?

[golden sonnet]

altfix indeed

[distant gyro]

i also added a ton of other stuff

except stone because stone is so wishy

[distant gyro]

glow moss bricks, ice torch, desert torch, snowball, frozen banana daiquiri

[errant wind]

Thank you

[royal tapir]

Altfix

[prisma sedge]

I don't fully agree with this suggestion...I mean, the sound could've been Coin_3.wav

[random talon]

true

[prisma sedge]

Jokes aside though, yeah, that's kind of a weird discrepancy

[random talon]

maybe I should change the wording to be more polite

I was jsut flabbergasted when I wrote it

and that reflects in the writing quality

[prisma sedge]

Oh yeah, that's fair enough! It is an odd choice, and I wonder if it's moreso just an oversight than an intentional choice

Huh- kind of off-topic, but I'm just now finding out that there are sound effects on the wiki that aren't used in any pages

That's kind of funny

[random talon]

the summoning for Ravager is actually an unused Terraria vanilla sfx

found it on their wiki

[prisma sedge]

The one I found was Item_122, which is funny since 121 and 123 are both used for Lunatic Cultist

Why the hell is the crunch sound effect for eating a bunch of different food items also the sound for using the dog whistle- do you eat the whistle?

[random talon]

pffft lmao

it's the "Minecraft Steve eats the bowl" think all over again

[prisma sedge]

THE SQUEAKY TOY-
They gave a crunch sound effect to the Full Moon Squeaky Toy

I think I have to stop, because I just keep finding absurd ones, and it's breaking me- apparently there's a unique hurt sound effect that dripplers and the Flying Dutchman share, and I cannot tell you why

[serene tendon]

Wow, fascinating

I hope it doesn't change, it's so iconic and cool

[real hull]

Good job on reformatting my suggestion

Good boy

[drowsy plank]

enjoy the shadow realm weirdo

[craggy girder]

lmfao i blocked bro basically instantly

[drowsy plank]

he's banned now, he will not be missed 🙏

[prisma sedge]

Oh that's nice!

[rotund summit]

[coral carbon]

it would probably be better to give consistency for reasoning rather than it would be cool

[little sky]

added that part but im sure people would have gotten it anyway

[oblique birch]

Banners will get their physics eventually

[errant wren]

it was a tmod issue, i think

i don't remember

[oblique birch]

Something like that

In fact this suggestion is not needed the changes have been sitting in changelogs for 1 year

[royal tapir]

Can confirm this is done

[undone vessel]

I'm pretty sure the crunch sound effect is used for most of the pet summoning items in the game LOL

Don't you just love eating the Zephyr Fish to summon it?

[obsidian nova]

Huh?

[little sky]

Oh wow that's very strange then, does anybody know how to get it to work properly? in my game they just hang as in they had no fx

[oblique birch]

it's not ingame yet, this is for the next update

[humble scarab]

the #changelogs also tells what will be in the next update

which can cause confusion

[little sky]

Got it, thanks a lot

[indigo yacht]

@

[royal tapir]

Explode

[craggy girder]

just get a Bloody Tear beforehand

this suggestion, while making sense, also doesnt

you can just Farm the Blood Moon

[frosty river]

I know

But it was something that happened, it felt bad

[craggy girder]

i Died to a Boss once

it should be Reworked

no but i Half see what you're going for here

just save a Bloody Tear for next time, they're Non-Consumable

[frosty river]

We learned our lesson after that, yes, but I wouldn't wish that for anyone

it was like, absolute dread all over

[craggy girder]

Most dont Do that

[tepid crown]

btw u can use cosmolight for events

[hazy nacelle]

yeah literally cosmolight spam to a blood moon

[plush flame]

or a graveyard

[severe sparrow]

albeit that method can be really annoying

[plush flame]

maggot and marriage zombies drop blood orbs

[severe sparrow]

wait they do i was thinking of grinding the marriage zombies for a bloody tear

[plush flame]

10% for 1 each iirc

yep

[tepid crown]

i love how that droprate is useless for the marriage zombies because their bloody tear droprate is 20%

[indigo yacht]

i remember staying at a graveyard for an hour and seeing literally 2 of these spawn that entire time

[drowsy plank]

why the fuck do you even need blood orbs to make bloodstone cores

infact, why does bloodstone even exist

why doesnt rav just. drop bloodstone cores directly

i know crags enemies still drop bloodstone (for some fucking reason) but if bloodstone isnt placable then it's literally just the same thing as meld blobs where it's just pointless

[keen zodiac]

it isn't placeable

[half imp]

it should be though that'd be cool

[drowsy plank]

if it becomes a block i will accept its existence

[distant gyro]

bloodstone core is like bottom 3 intermediary crafts

[keen zodiac]

make bloodstone placeable, remove bloodstone cores, make everything craftable with regular bloodstone

[distant gyro]

it really should be just bloodstone

[keen zodiac]

also remove meld blobs and make enemies drop meld constructs

[boreal lichen]

meld constructs being the blocks trust

spriter hell

[hazy nacelle]

are either placeable

[craggy girder]

make enemies drop the weapons themselves

[keen zodiac]

meld constructs are already placeable

[tepid crown]

theyre not

thats a calval thing

same with bloodstone being placable

[boreal lichen]

[indigo yacht]

can we add calval to basecal tbh

[drowsy plank]

LITERALLY

[tepid crown]

like actually

[drowsy plank]

YuH is already on the cal team and like i know it wouldn't be the smoothest but oh my god sometimes why is it even a seperate mod

[tepid crown]

like these sprites exist and the mod is made by yuh and i doubt itd be very difficult to just convince the spriters of the tiles to just

put them in the main mod

[boreal lichen]

true

[drowsy plank]

if we can make VCMM official and basically just mod-nap all of the catalyst developers why can't we just ask YuH for stuff like this 💥 💥 💥 💥

[keen zodiac]

wait if meld constructs aren't placeable by default
why the fuck do they exist 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[drowsy plank]

GREAT FUCKING QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[keen zodiac]

[boreal lichen]

terraria tradition of making an ore and bar equivalent for every material

[drowsy plank]

i was going to say "meld isnt even an ore it's a fragement" but

[keen zodiac]

while we're removing things
GALACTICA SINGULARITIES P L E A S E

[hazy nacelle]

what the hell were relogic cooking with mechs dropping hallowed bars but then moon lord drops luminite ore

[keen zodiac]

kill them caldevs and my life is yours

[boreal lichen]

they already got rid of most of galactica's purpose in 2.1 just get rid of them 💔

[drowsy plank]

hell world hell world hell world hell world

[indigo yacht]

what would the ethical procedure be? would you need permission from all the spriters

[drowsy plank]

p much yeah

[indigo yacht]

i don't suppose this could be a suggestion

[drowsy plank]

in a round about way

you could ask

[indigo yacht]

Get permission from calval spriters to implement vanities items into the main mod

or something

[drowsy plank]

but you would need to ask YuH for who made what sprites and ask them if it would be okay

and at that point

you would basically just be doing it

[plush flame]

yharim pogo in basecal.........

[drowsy plank]

of course i guess they could just say no for

some indiscernible reason

i dont think everything in calval would come over
but you could probably get a decent handful of things that really just ought to be in base cal

[keen zodiac]

signut painting 🔥

[indigo yacht]

i would like to work on this

[plush flame]

polterchan ❤️

[indigo yacht]

but i have to write a program for my pharmacy class and also work on college applications

and my second semester is starting

sigh

[drowsy plank]

i mean you could DM YuH, get started on it

doesnt have to be immediate

would be a lot of waiting anyway

[indigo yacht]

that's true I'll do that

[keen zodiac]

i have connections but unfortunately i suck at talking to people

[indigo yacht]

i asked and he said that the art team standards are high enough that anything that would be added from calval to basecal would probably be resprited and that would be more effort than it's worth unfortunately

fair and rip

[drowsy plank]

sad!

[craggy girder]

calval is Calamity Vanities, no

or is that a Different Group

[crude geode]

Yes

[prisma sedge]

Remember that one guy that got banned from the server yesterday? Gourmet or whatever?

[surreal pebble]

Yeah

[craggy girder]

what about Them

are they a Racist

or a Scambot

[prisma sedge]

They sent me a DM request earlier today that just said "good boy"-
So I'm starting to feel more glad than I already was that they were removed

[craggy girder]

wow!

Glad i Blocked them

[prisma sedge]

Agreed

[random talon]

Eugh

[surreal pebble]

That's horrible, idk why but it just sends a weird feeling down my spine reading it out loud

[rotund summit]

This should be astral snowball that inflicts like 1 second of astral blight

[obsidian nova]

Bleamur in calamity

[grave zinc]

@jade crane - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make more of a connection between Queen Slime and the Slime God]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@mystic sandal - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Retier Cryonic Ore to be mineable with Cobalt/Palladium Pickaxe]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[sleek sable]

interesting

kinda thought these were reasonable

[golden sonnet]

I understand the denial of the second one as early pre hm has too many armor sets, but something needs to be done with cryonic as it's in such an awkward spot

[drowsy plank]

just move cryogen to be the third hardmode alt

it should be AS -> Brimmy -> Cryo anyway

[keen zodiac]

it's gonna get overhauled Eventually™ anyway so i understand why they don't want to rebalance literally the entire set rn

[drowsy plank]

also the queen slime one asked for a cutscene of course that was never gonna happen

[coral carbon]

was surprised the queen slime one made it to dev

[errant wind]

True

Cryonic is weird too cus its quite rare

And sometimes annoying to get, it’s hard to see

[oblique birch]

do the unholy act of farming the slime

[sleek sable]

actually wait

i heard something saying they were gonna move slime gods to mid hardmode

so i can kinda understand that

[errant wind]

Maybe

It’s not guaranteed

But maybe they’ll switch it with calclone

[sleek sable]

i see

[half imp]

It literally glows in the dark smh

[errant wind]

It’s very faint

If you don’t know what you’re looking for it can be annoying

But ofc theres spelunker potions

[indigo yacht]

it's not that faint

it's pretty easy to see

maybe you have your brightness really low

[half imp]

it also glowing means it shows up on the map

iirc

[errant wind]

I got mine as default

Well now I do have ease to find them

But before I can’t remember why I couldn’t find any minerals and the ores were like 3 blocks

[tiny minnow]

I remember struggling to find Eulibloom or however it’s spelt on my first world because it was a muddy colour

[drowsy plank]

dont worry uelibloom fucking sucks and will die

[errant wind]

Its gonna get removed I heard

I don’t mind it

[gilded citrus]

Yeah

[drowsy plank]

third plant ore deserves to be obliterated

it doesnt even connect to provi anymore

[errant wind]

I think the crag’s ore needs to be reworked

Cus nothing tells you it’s an ore

[oblique birch]

actually not everything needs to be an ore

[drowsy plank]

it sparkles and glows using treasure detectors and spelunkers im pretty sure

[boreal lichen]

true!

[errant wind]

True

[indigo yacht]

Add cosmilite ore

[oblique birch]

on it

[errant wind]

That would legit be fire

[drowsy plank]

isnt cosmilite gonna be a liquid or smthn when the distortion is added

[oblique birch]

the evil cosmillite ore that will kill my dog

[drowsy plank]

or am i stupid

[oblique birch]

that's an idea yeah

[errant wind]

That would be kinda weird

[indigo yacht]

it should grow like chlorophyte

[errant wind]

I don’t get how you could make bars out of liquid other than a fuck ton of buckets

[oblique birch]

though we don't know if tMod will support custom liquid when the update happens

[drowsy plank]

well it wouldnt be a bar lmao

also how do you think you make bars out of metal

you have to melt them down into molds

[indigo yacht]

[errant wind]

Yeah but like terraria isnt irl…

I don’t know I’m confused

[boreal lichen]

theres no reason for physics to be drastically different and like i dont think freezing a liquid is that foreign of a concept

[half imp]

you literally just cast the metal and let it freeze

Like real metals

[errant wind]

Yes but how do you move it…

If it’s in a sub world

Like I get how you can make bars out of liquid

[indigo yacht]

you pick it up

[errant wind]

Isn’t it liquid?

[indigo yacht]

bucket

alternatively

crafting

[craggy girder]

metal go in Mold

Mold holds Metal

Metal Cools

Cooled Metal is now a Bar

Use the Bar

[half imp]

there can be any number of ways to move it

[craggy girder]

unless the metal is like

Mercury

then its just a Liquid and you use a Bucket

[indigo yacht]

i don't think cosmolite is mercury

[craggy girder]

and Die of Mercury Poisoning

[craggy girder]

thats what i'm Saying

[half imp]

maybe you don't even pick it up and have to move it in world to wherever the mold is

that'd be interesting

[indigo yacht]

billions must learn how pumps work

(it's very simple

[craggy girder]

i mean if Cosmolite Ore exists Later in the Distortion Realm

then Maybe it could be a Liquid that you gotta take Home to Process

[oblique birch]

just pick it up

[idle dagger]

If draedon made stuff with cosmilite SURELY we can

[craggy girder]

Draedon has made stuff with like

a Lot more than Cosmolite

that is a Poor Estimate

[errant wind]

Yeah, ig you just craft 100 buckets

[craggy girder]

Very Large Cosmolite Bucket

[errant wind]

Would be cool if the ores were liquid but you could mine them and have them as blocks

[craggy girder]

it Would Be

imagine if the Mined Liquid gives Less Ore than Processing Bucketed Cosmos

like Mining the Liquid Gives 1:1, but a Bucket could give 5:1

(1 Bucket = 5 Ore

[tawdry trout]

Mining the liquid...?

[craggy girder]

if Thats the Weirdest Thing you've Ever Seen

[prisma sedge]

Hi

Also @queen marlin , you should probably read the document at the top of the channel

[queen marlin]

Wdym

[north oracle]

That channel's not for chatting in
If you want yo make a suggestion, follow the format and do it in one message
If you just want to talk about a sugg, do it here instead

[queen marlin]

Everyone look at my suggestion it's valid right in #suggestions-posting

[north oracle]

"If you're good at the game you can progression skip"
You're going to need a bit more reasoning there, calamity's non-linearity is intentional

[queen marlin]

Oh

[prisma sedge]

Also the reasoning is kind of poor, in my opinion
Calamity's progression is intentionally nonlinear wherever it reasonably can be, so if you can kill a boss earlier than you think you're supposed to because you have the skill for it, then you're intended to be able to do that

[indigo yacht]

incomprehensible

[queen marlin]

Ok

[prisma sedge]

Also, you need to have a header for the suggestion

[queen marlin]

I get it now

Wdym header

I'm new to calamity dc

[indigo yacht]

a title

this is a summary

this is reasoning and execution details

[keen zodiac]

it is not

read the google doc

[coral carbon]

Wait, was Uelibloom ever related to Provi at all?

(Also, yeah, come to think about it, a fire boss causing plant ore to appear doesn't sound too cohesive)

[boreal lichen]

yes but you would only ever know via some discord messages in the lore channel years ago apparently

[oblique birch]

Uelibloom spawns in after you killed her duh

[misty lichen]

just like how meteors are related to boc and eow

[crude geode]

Yeah everyone knows meteors are evil

[kind laurel]

Has there been a suggestion about changing DoG's skip summon recipe because I feel like I've done it but can't find it

[keen zodiac]

just post the suggestion

[drowsy plank]

she was like part tree or some shit and uelibloom was petrified tree bark

[hollow shell]

Uelibloom used to have a vague radioactivity theming

Also it was added to the mod before Providence was

Pretty wack overall

Also

yeah lunba's suggestion is near incomprehensible

Meowmere v SCal can't be an easy fight...

[coral carbon]

Please someone do that as a challenge

I want to actually see SCal being Meowmered to death

[hollow shell]

Certainly more doable than SCal with Wooden Bow & default Arrows (which has been done)

[coral carbon]

Add Ashes of Calamity to the True Excalibur's recipe

I always found it very annoying in the Terra Blade's line when a weapon gets unlocked right at the same progression point as its immediate upgrade, and right as the 1.4.1 update fixed it in Vanilla for good (by making the True versions of Excalibur and Night's Edge just post-3 Mech - the only remaining case is the Night's Edge, but it can be variable depending on if you get the Muramasa or the Volcano last, and Calamity fixes it by adding Purified Gel to the recipe), Calamity's early-Hardmode progression rework breaks it again by making Hallowed Bars (required to make the Excalibur) unlocked at post-3 Mech, at which point you basically can just mine Chlorophyte and upgrade it to a True Excalibur right away.

Adding Ashes of Calamity (or another material like that - can be even post-Plantera, as you must defeat a post-Plantera Eclipse to get the Terra Blade, and it will still have an use case then) to the True Excalibur's crafting recipe to not make the Excalibur last for exactly 5 minutes while you're mining Chlorophyte.

[crude geode]

What does Terra blade need again

[tepid crown]

we should go back to the 1.2 days and make tne require broken hero blade

[tepid crown]

true excal + tne + living shards

[coral carbon]

Broken Hero Sword

[tepid crown]

and broken heros sword too

[dense locust]

I would rather just make the 2 of them sidegrades than this

[half imp]

please pass please pass please pass

let Excalibur have a life again

[kind laurel]

I swear did I actually already post that and forgot

[hazy nacelle]

I'm not sure what you can do about the phoenix egg when that is its only recipe but the cosmic worm having two recipes is really confusing

[drowsy plank]

@kind laurel i think ur sugg is too long

[fleet grotto]

pro tip: don't do this!!!

[drowsy plank]

yeah ur 400 characters over

[kind laurel]

Still?

[drowsy plank]

just remove that last paragraph

[hazy nacelle]

basically just don't suggest any implementation

[kind laurel]

Done

[drowsy plank]

im ngl it's kind of bad anyway. why would you have a boss drop behind a boss enrage this isn't malice that sounds awful especially if it's required

[kind laurel]

I only included it because I didn't want people to say "you have any better ideas? then shut up"

I really wasn't confident in them much

[hazy nacelle]

that's why we have this channel (do devs actually read any of the discussion here when it comes to considering suggestions?)

[drowsy plank]

if ur name is CIT or Altix

some dont even read the bodies of the suggestion unless they're controversial

[half imp]

I do

but very rarely does it change my mind

[north oracle]

I read the discussion
Usually trying to get someone to make a decent idea into a sugg that has any change of succeeding

[indigo yacht]

I don't think anyone is going to assume yharon or dog are fought in the wrong place because they're yharon and dog

this reminds me of that one suggestion crit made

[tepid crown]

saying theyre yharon or dog means nothing to a new player who wouldnt know where the fuck yharon or dog is in progression

[hazy nacelle]

you have to put yourself in the shoes of little Timmy who has no idea that the wiki exists

[errant wind]

I don’t think the eidolon tablet is good personally, but yeah good suggesting

[indigo yacht]

except they probably would

because it's dog and yharon

but i digress because i really don't care to argue about something of this little importance

[tepid crown]

ur entire arguement is just "they would know" which isnt a good point because it is very possible to just not know

[indigo yacht]

sigh

[tepid crown]

what do you mean sigh

there is more than one way to know of calamity mod other than cultural osmosis

like you can just find it naturally on the workshop

or get recommended it by a friend and they dont actually spoil shit for you

like i really feel like i dont need to bring an example but

imagine if you started playing a new game with non linear progression and u were struggling on something and a guy said "are you stupid? you are doing that way too early. EVERYONE knows theyre actually meant to be the penultimate challenge" meanwhile the game had no indication that they were penultimate challenges

[prisma sedge]

Also, I'd argue you can know that DoG and Yharon are supposed to be fought late into the game, but not know about the amount of bosses you're expected to fight before them

[hazy nacelle]

I would refer to Sorbet Cafe's "The Calamity Mod Experience" as a good tongue-in-cheek showcase of what the mod is like to play without external information

[errant wren]

add dog spawn message that says exactly that

[craggy girder]

am i allowed to suggest a "Yoyo Bag Upgrade sometime after Sentinels" or is that too specific

not like precise stats but just the fact yoyo bag remains unupgraded since like i think prehardmode

sorry, hardmode

[plush flame]

itd require rebalancing every yoyo after and a bit before its obtained

[craggy girder]

hmm. Fair

[half imp]

it's not like too specific I think but like

yeah

[craggy girder]

Developer Hell for once

not Spriter Hell

Roll the Gif

[plush flame]

yeah itd just be one sprite maybe an equipped spritesheet

[craggy girder]

no i mean the Spriter Hell Gif

Roll It

I dont have Gif Permissiosn

[half imp]

Not to mention

1.4.5 adding magic yoyo bag

[craggy girder]

oh are they really

whats that

gives the user "Magic Yoyo SkillS"

What

oh it lets them Rip The Yoyo Off the Bag

What The FUck

[obsidian nova]

That would be so peak

[obsidian nova]

[obsidian nova]

Pretty funny how this suggestion misspelled Ravager

[urban berry]

ravanger

[mystic sandal]

How many yo-yos even are there

There’s Lacerator

Uhhh Oracle

Is that it?

[tardy smelt]

Theres a lotta suggs thst sre dev hell in my experienc3

Especially as far as fev hell is concerned

[tardy smelt]

Lacerator, Obliterator, Oracle, maybe Burning Revelation and maybe maybe the moonlord yoyo but idk about tjat one

[frosty river]

Sorry... :(

[steel root]

Made my first suggestion; I tried to follow the guide by making sure not to be too specific, and I don’t think adding more hooks would be on the level of a “massive overhaul”, considering it’s a vanilla feature.
That being said, any feedback that might help me tailor my proposal would be greatly appreciated!

[indigo yacht]

this suggestion already got denied
#suggestions-voting message

although that was a year ago

[cerulean trench]

They lied to us.

[indigo yacht]

it says implemented

wdym lied

[cerulean trench]

its not implemented

or whatever implementation they did has since broken

[indigo yacht]

these are for the next major update

[cerulean trench]

that makes sense

but to be fair to myself

that suggestion was two calendar years ago

[oblique birch]

it's post-BH

sooo yeah, next update

[frail fox]

Best suggestion of all time

[craggy girder]

nothingburger i suppose

maaaybe add a thing so it blooms on any moon event??? i Guess????????

or, Celestial Event i should say

like Solar Eclipses

[errant wren]

make it bloom whenever moon lord is summoned

[craggy girder]

thats not Technically a Celestial Event

thats just a Boss Being There

[errant wren]

moon

[golden sonnet]

I think the comment about beating the whole mod without seeing one is unreasonable, especially as they are farmable if you really want one

[dense locust]

thats fair

I kinda wanna reword it to have the main focus on phm (since hm you get moondials and later cosmolight which makes things substantially easier

[dense locust]

I will say "farmable" in this case is litterally just spending 20 minutes for an 11% chance prior to getting cosmolight

[sleek turret]

in vanilla they're more accesible than shiverthorn I must say

[wispy wraith]

so true

[wispy wraith]

okay but have you considered

we went like

18 hours without a blood moon

[sleek turret]

can't you farm blood orbs from graveyard enemies

and craft the bloody tear item

[wispy wraith]

oh right

uhh

[dense locust]

shiverthorn is also used to craft a grand total of 1 combat relevant potion

[wispy wraith]

the version we were playing kind of doesnt have graveyards

[hazy nacelle]

have you considered the humble staff of regrowth

[sleek turret]

this

[dense locust]

staff doesnt magically make plants bloom

[hazy nacelle]

no, but you get the same drop as if it was

[sleek turret]

makes it much easier to farm them succesively though

agriculture 101

[hazy nacelle]

but does not work when you use planter boxes

[dense locust]

what the fuck

[dense locust]

oh

[hazy nacelle]

yeah, this is a vanilla inconsistency

[sleek turret]

staff of regrowth/axe of regrowth will only drop the respective herb seeds on mature herbs if they are on any of their respective tiles they can grow aside of planter boxes

[hazy nacelle]

1.4.5 may improve this, I'm hoping

[sleek turret]

hopefully

but yea deathweed isn't that hard I think

[drowsy plank]

weird fucking item

[hazy nacelle]

you can force bloom with blood moon anyway

[sleek turret]

yea and if you're lost you can just look at the moon and count days like a pro

[dense locust]

???

[craggy girder]

its like some Trees dropping Acorns only if Above Grass Tiles and No Where Else

and SPECIFICALLY Purity Grass. Nowhere Else

[sleek turret]

yea that's another thing

[craggy girder]

(i think This one works with Specifically Jungle Trees

[dense locust]

like yeah thats something you can do
but like
thats not exactly relavent here

[hazy nacelle]

speaking of acorns, why don't they grow in astral grass

[craggy girder]

i dont Think Astral "Trees" are Trees

[hazy nacelle]

but you can plant the sapling

why doesn't it grow

[craggy girder]

i can Easily Put Acorns Somewhere that they Cant Grow

[sleek turret]

have you checked if the conditions of planting and growing a tree are possible

[hazy nacelle]

I think the scorched bone trees have the same problem

[drowsy plank]

because tmod trees are the devil

[sleek turret]

vanilla has these checks for planting trees that are goofy

[craggy girder]

i Think they're considered "Plantable" but not "Growable"

[hazy nacelle]

literally a bug, I'm telling you

[drowsy plank]

i mean yeah it is

they are bugged because tmod trees are like ancient fucking hieroglyphs to understand

[sleek turret]

can you throw fertilizer at it though

[hazy nacelle]

you can't grow more bone trees and if you lost them all you're effed

[craggy girder]

Bad Comparison; its like Chinese

[hazy nacelle]

doesn't work either

[sleek turret]

or it just does not grow regardless

[craggy girder]

Hieroglyphs make Sense if you Know The Alphabet

[sleek turret]

oughhh that's fucked

[keen zodiac]

i had to grow all my acidwood trees with fertilizer

[hazy nacelle]

doesn't grow no matter how much you try

[keen zodiac]

they wouldn't do it on their own

[hazy nacelle]

acid trees are working

[sleek turret]

acid trees work but not astral monolith trees ???

[craggy girder]

Damn You Calamity Devs; making Cool Weapons and not Fixing Shitty Trees

[keen zodiac]

i planted them in prehardmode and they were still buds by postmoonlord

[dense locust]

like technically this is a solution but this requires players to know a: that blood orb drops are tied to enemies not just "any enemy during a blood moon" b: groom/bride can drop blood orbs, and c: that bride/groom spawn in graveyards

[craggy girder]

Truth Nuke, unfortunately

Graveyards having Those is like. Halfway down the Iceberg

It'd be like Solar Eclipse Enemies dropping Blood Orbs because they're Also Spooky

[sleek turret]

i would agree but sadly not really because its so easy to farm these in cal compared to vanilla

[dense locust]

what does these refer to

[sleek turret]

like what cal gives you a ton of herb bags for planting seeds early on, you have the fishing option

[craggy girder]

Yeah but like

Fishing is Bad™

[sleek turret]

you can literally just sleep in a bed to make time pass and wait until its a full moon

[craggy girder]

and its Not Fighting Yharon Resplendant Phoenix

Every Second i dont Spend Fighting Something is a Wasted Second

-Most Calamity Fans

[sleek turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/886673434074054719/1458325065191129099/togif.gif

[dense locust]

ok but like
thats still upwards of like, 20-30 minutes of waiting

[craggy girder]

I Hate Waiting

[sleek turret]

and what is exactly the problem of waiting

[craggy girder]

Boring

[dense locust]

waiting for full moon normally is bad because spending over 2 hours waiting to harvest is simply not reasonable
waiting for a full moon by sleeping is bad because even if the time spent is less you are forced to do litterally nothing while you wait, there is no doing something else in the meantime it is litterally just afking

[sleek turret]

wdym there's nothing you can do you can keep track of the moon cycle and know when to go harvest the deathweeds while doing other stuff

its just using info to your advantage here

[craggy girder]

Alternatively; Buy the Potions

From an NPC

[sleek turret]

if anything waterleaf is the nightmare of herbs because rains are kinda hard to get and not as consistent as a full moon cycle

[craggy girder]

Torrential Tear;

You get a Free Rainstorm as Soon as you Kill EoC

[dense locust]

in vanilla I could see it but cal litterally gives you a "make shit rain button right after eoc"

[sleek turret]

if using an item to get the condition for an herb is an argument then obtaining bloody tear and using it is also an argument

[craggy girder]

One, legally, is RNG, the other is EoC

like Yes, Bloody Tear is the Correct Option. Objectively.

[glass arch]

issue is bloody tears require you to farm rare graveyard mobs for a like 20% droprate

[craggy girder]

but

Technically.

you could go an Entire Playthrough without one (sin Graveyarding)

if you Kill EoC, as Soon as you Walk Into The Sulph Sea, You get One

[glass arch]

you cant guarantee a bloody tear like you can guarantee instant rainstorm button

[dense locust]

the difference is that bloody tears are random unless you go out of your way to farm graveyard enemies (which I do not think is a realistic thing to expect players to even know they can do let alone actually do
the other requires them to respond to a status message the game conveniently puts in chat

[craggy girder]

and then, for 10 scales, You Get As Many As You Want

[sleek turret]

its true the droprate for bloody orbs is quite rare

[steel root]

Oh? Why?

[craggy girder]

Dev Hell i think

[dense locust]

probably

[craggy girder]

you don't Reaaaally need more Hooks

like the progression often goes
Gem -> Bat -> Lunar -> Bobbit
if you Dont get precisely this, you get Near it

Dev Hell

[steel root]

Oh sorry

I thought that message

Sent earlier

And I just hadnt got a response

[hazy nacelle]

isn't the stuffed fish getting removed

[dense locust]

tbf hook progression being this linear is itself the kind of thing more hook variety could aleviate but :/

[glass arch]

i think so yeah

you already get herb bags off fishing regardless so it doesnt change much of anything

[sleek turret]

yea

[craggy girder]

Adding More is just Bloat atp

[steel root]

I mean I had assumed it would be relatively simple - just shifting the stats of some vanilla hooks really.
Most intensive part would be texturing rather than programming

[craggy girder]

You Don't Reeeally Need More, Most just Want More so they Dont Have To Grind

[dense locust]

only if you make the hooks boring
so just
make them not boring

[hazy nacelle]

we don't listen to the "fish for 8 minutes and never again" crowd

[craggy girder]

Situational Then

[errant wind]

Can’t you just use bloody tear to summon blood moon?

[sleek turret]

[craggy girder]

Previously Discussed; Some may Not Have Those

[steel root]

Tbf, you could say the same about many pets, mounts etc - you don’t need them, but they’re nice to have
Somethings only bloat if it’s redundant, and I don’t think hooks would be

[glass arch]

yes the issue is you cant guarantee it like you can guarantee caustic or torrential tears

[errant wind]

Well uh

10 orbs for a tear?

[sleek turret]

i mean in vanilla if you want to play optimally and efficiently there are like 3 hooks ever but realistically anybody playing vanilla plays for fun and not efficiency so you just kinda pick whatever really

[glass arch]

you cannot guarantee orb drops like you can guarantee caustic or torrential tears

[hazy nacelle]

you just have to get literally one natural blood moon

[half imp]

I am planning to add one more hook

[errant wind]

It’s really easy to get 10 blood orbs

[dense locust]

which can range from day 3 to litterally never

[errant wind]

Unless you kill no mobs

[half imp]

jellyfish or spring hook that pushes you away from latch point

[glass arch]

we already reached the epitome of unique hooks its called wulfrum acrobatics pack and its a pre hardmode accessory

[steel root]

Yeah, my point exactly, not everyone is gonna be optimising everything, and sometimes it’s fun to play with “side content”

[steel root]

Oh sick!

[glass arch]

it is very easy to not what the fuck do you mean

[hazy nacelle]

but what can you do about that, there's already the graveyard method

[sleek turret]

like the biome mimics hooks are just almost identical to each other you just don't care for much of the stats I think

[steel root]

Yeah, I actually had that idea too - like an auto launching hook. Didn’t get that specific in the recommendation ofc

[hazy nacelle]

what more should it be

[errant wind]

Whatever

[dense locust]

graveyard method is not realistic for 90% of the playerbase
people should not have to go wiki hunting just for a slightly more consistent method

[half imp]

I already know how to code Jellyfish Hook too

[hazy nacelle]

force a blood moon after a specific boss?

[errant wind]

Just to tell i never got under 10 orbs and no tear in a blood moon

[indigo yacht]

i dont really see deathweed as an issue

[glass arch]

yes that isnt the issue once you get a blood moon you have infinite blood moons afterwards this is known the issue is getting the first blood moon

[indigo yacht]

it's the herb i always have the least of but it's not hard to get

[steel root]

A hook based on polterghast would also be fun, since the boss itself has hooks lol
But any hook is cool with me

[errant wind]

Yeah

Sometimes I don’t get blood moons until hard mode

[half imp]

maybe someday this will be real

[sleek turret]

for me its shiverthorn in vanilla but the thing with it its just how the herb works

[dense locust]

I'm not here saying it's impossible to get your hands on what I'm saying is for the amount of potions you probably want in a fairly large supply I dont think deathweed needs to be as uncommon as it is

[steel root]

Oooooh I see
I mean even if that’s not intentional it’s pretty funny, could have some use idk

[sleek turret]

waterleaf is a waiting game for when it rains but the growth of waterleaf is really fast

[indigo yacht]

i don't think the problem is with deathweed blooming i think it's just with blood moon spawning

[sleek turret]

[indigo yacht]

I've preconditioned myself to harvest deathweed whenever a blood moon happens bc i always forget otherwise

bloody tear is a deathweed blooming button

[sleek turret]

the other tool you can use to use info at your favour would be the sextant honestly

it tells you the moon phase

[indigo yacht]

let's be real

nobody uses that

[steel root]

Though the two hooks calamity does add are “aquatic themed”, so something like a cloud/aerialite/etc hook could have that same effect with a different flavour (although I’m far from an expert ofc)

[glass arch]

its part of shellphone isnt it

[dense locust]

idk why you keep bringing up keeping track of moon phases its really not hard to see that the moon is full

[indigo yacht]

yes

[sleek turret]

yea

[indigo yacht]

i toggle it off immediately

visual noise

[sleek turret]

in cal its a guaranteed quest item right

[dense locust]

probably

[sleek turret]

yea it is

[hazy nacelle]

the problem with that is the fact that unless you know the moon phase order it doesn't really tell you what's coming next

and when

[sleek turret]

yea it just tells you what moon phase it is in the day it occurs

[dense locust]

tbf the moon phase order is litterally just the real life moon phase order
also it tells you its gonna be full moon that night at 4:30 am

[indigo yacht]

doesn't it also have a visual icon

[sleek turret]

yes

[hazy nacelle]

but how are you supposed to know which direction it goes from a single icon

[indigo yacht]

it's a 50/50

it cannot possibly be that hard

[sleek turret]

well the icon is for the toggle I think

[hollow shell]

#suggestions-posting message
I mean

Bloody Tears are non consumable in Calamity, right?
As soon as you get one you can get Blood Moons whenever you like

And they have a non Blood Moon obtainment source (Can't remember what, a crafting recipe or a graveyard drop)

[indigo yacht]

actually these are calamity players it really could

[sleek turret]

rover quote on mod design

[hollow shell]

It says "Waxing" and "Waning" doesn't it?

[sleek turret]

yea

[indigo yacht]

you get them via graveyards but they're very very tedious to get that way

[steel root]

I mean, we have stuff like the cosmolight to change time, and items with multiple buttons like the grand design - an item to choose the moon phase might(?) work? No idea if that would be way to powerful or way too niche

[indigo yacht]

cosmolight is already that

[hazy nacelle]

consider that people literally might not know what those even mean

[sleek turret]

true.....

[hollow shell]

I LOVE THAT, PLEASE ADD IT LIKE THAT

(technically Thorium did it first but I loooove non conventional hooks regardless)

[hazy nacelle]

waning tHirD qUArTeR waning

[hollow shell]

Learn.
Or use observation skills to know that the light travels right to left

[indigo yacht]

real

[dense locust]

the graveyard method relies on the player knowing that the graveyard method exists
which unless you're already familiar with graveyards, is probably at least 2 seperate wiki pages on 2 seperate wikis

[indigo yacht]

if people don't know the moon cycle i don't think that's calamity's issue to solve, if that's what's being argued. i lost track

[sleek turret]

[indigo yacht]

can we just make eoc drop bloody tear

33% chance or something

[sleek turret]

people should know how to use in-game info more at their favour by observating and thinking I believe

[hazy nacelle]

yeah it's not a Calamity problem as deathweed blooming isn't either

[indigo yacht]

or guaranteed the first time

[dense locust]

only if we take away infinite tears because why is that even a thing

[steel root]

Yeah, but this could be more efficient and also potentially be made with different summon items to make a quick summon for frost, pumpkin, blood moon, eclipse etc - total moon control

Again maybe too op

[indigo yacht]

why

[sleek turret]

I mean all of those are alredy non-consumable

[steel root]

Yeah, just makes it more convenient

[indigo yacht]

wdym infinite tears

[hazy nacelle]

honestly I get so annoyed by bloody tears and pirate maps being unstackable

[sleek turret]

plus not gonna argue on each of them because they're piss easy to obtain really

[dense locust]

non consumable bloody tears

[sleek turret]

solar tablet is given for free on temple chests and if you didn't get one there are the fragments you can use to craft one

[indigo yacht]

i think all summon items are non consumable

[hazy nacelle]

gelatin crystal slightly less so but that's also annoying

[indigo yacht]

besides uhh

titan hearts

[dense locust]

and power cells

[indigo yacht]

right

[dense locust]

and truffle worms

and lacewings

[sleek turret]

gelatin crystal just requires you to explore underground hallow

[indigo yacht]

they should make those non consumable that would be funny

[sleek turret]

the only problem comes if your underground hallow is on a really bad place (it spawned on the jungle)

[hollow shell]

I love Gelatin Crystal for not just being another craft

[dense locust]

and bloodworms I guess wow theres more of these than I thought

[hazy nacelle]

but my point being that because they are not consumable and are unstackable they clog up your inventory

[dense locust]

vanilla is very good at making the summon methods for bosses not explicitly require crafting

and its something I wish cal took more from

[indigo yacht]

✨ ✨

[sleek turret]

yup another calamity mod classic

[indigo yacht]

top ten ??? of all time

[sleek turret]

this is fabsolian design

[hazy nacelle]

you can craft an easy to obtain item with harder to obtain items, yeah veeeery useful

[hollow shell]

ASS

[sleek turret]

this is literally the devil

[dense locust]

iirc every single vanilla boss can be fought either without their summon item or their summon item has a non-crafting obtainment

[indigo yacht]

sometimes i forget that vanilla has like two and a half bosses compared to calamity

[hazy nacelle]

most require the item for refights but otherwise correct

[coral carbon]

kill this recipe !!!

[sleek turret]

please

[dense locust]

I think the only bosses that explicitly require crafting after running out of natural versions is bee, the mechs, and the evils

[sleek turret]

mechs condition for natural spawning stops after you beat one of the mechs I think

[indigo yacht]

eyeball

[dense locust]

right

[hazy nacelle]

no they can all spawn naturally until you beat them

each one separately

[sleek turret]

right

[indigo yacht]

i know for certain that once you kill a mech boss its spawner stops being dropped by enemies

[hazy nacelle]

but the spawners stop dropping too

[indigo yacht]

idk how the random spawns work

[hazy nacelle]

it's the same requirement

[steel root]

But to quickly wrap up that point, what about hooks makes them dev hell? I know adding multiple of them would ofc take increased time, but are they known for being hard to develop because if so I had no idea (I’m talking normal hooks not like wulfrum acrobatics pack)

[hazy nacelle]

the only difference (in vanilla) is that the natural spawn at night won't happen until you smash an altar

[craggy girder]

Colloquialism moreso than Actuality; why do That when they have So So So much more

[indigo yacht]

there was no reasoning provided

the devs voted not to

[steel root]

Oh I get that, I was asking how it would be “Dev hell” as I thought it would be relatively simple

[hazy nacelle]

it is still some work and they just decided they would rather focus on other things 🤷

[indigo yacht]

that's not really what denial means

[steel root]

I guess, but then again you could say that about any suggested addition lol.

[indigo yacht]

they will vote in favor of suggestions that won't be implemented in the near future

[crude geode]

^

If you want the reasoning the easiest thing to do is literally just ask

[steel root]

So they voted not to for the foreseeable future, and didn’t give any reason?
Guess there’s not much I can do about that, oh well. Thanks for the discussion anyway!

[steel root]

The devs? Through like modmail or whatever right?
I mean it’s not really a big deal, I’m not that desperate to know lol

I suppose a mod did respond that they had some plans, so I’m happy with that :D

[keen zodiac]

you can talk to devs normally also

they're the orange names

modmail is mostly for talking to moderators

[drowsy plank]

i guess the real question is like

wtf would cal hooks be adding

i like the weird pogo hook thing doze showed off and i think it's a waste if that didnt survive in some form, but what makes hooks worth looking into and adding more of when there's still 5 biomes to develop

[urban berry]

guh

it's John Calamity The Second (and the better)

[kind laurel]

You could suggest that Cal changes a bit

at least crafting is better than Guardians and Provi just dropping the next item

[indigo yacht]

"and then when they die the guardians drop providence's spawn item" 🔥 ✍️

[keen zodiac]

there's an actual lore reason yk

[drowsy plank]

i mean it makes some sense

the guardians are

you know

guardians

[craggy girder]

ive Been of the Opinion that you should Only Get the Core, and the Guardians Ambush you First

You Want To Fight Providence but you're Instead Assailed

[drowsy plank]

tho it is a bit weird provi's item is just a fully formed tablet thing when it's supposed to be the raw power that DoG was after, and the reason it lured in the other distortion beings was because they were after it for similar reasons

i could see it

tho that would require something like profaned biome to actually exist first

lmao

[indigo yacht]

that is what I'm poking fun at

same vein as those jokes about a game/tv show's title

"but don't be misled, this isn't some sort of pizzeria simulator"

[craggy girder]

SiS

also invalid

read document in Posting

[north oracle]

@leaden raptor pretty much see above
suggestions to add specific items (especially references) aren't allowed

[leaden raptor]

i thought we were a democracy…

[craggy girder]

i'm impeccable at saying "Your Thing Is Bad"

[leaden raptor]

i think more guns is good personally

[craggy girder]

it Is, Legally? but the Devs have got Better to do

[leaden raptor]

well i mean i would think theyd be ok getting some cool ideas from me, the rangers number one supporter and ultimate gun person

[craggy girder]

Hm. Maybe Power Hayakawa.

Maybe.

if you Wanna See it, you can Make it yourself and see how long it Takes

[leaden raptor]

???

[cerulean trench]

perhaps we need more Fast Firing guns

like 2 or 3

[leaden raptor]

i think personally

we need a shotgun

i havent seen any endgame shotgun footage

and looking at the wiki im not seeing much for shotguns

[craggy girder]

"Development is a Tireless and Fearsome Beast. It can only be defeated with your greatest effort."
-gerson Boom

[craggy girder]

onyxia is a late game one

[cerulean trench]

ok hear me out

p91

[craggy girder]

No.

[cerulean trench]

ok

how big of a number after the p before its a yes

theres a price for everytihing

[leaden raptor]

yes but there should be more than just like one

i mean check the AR category

[craggy girder]

Add One Yourself.

[leaden raptor]

theyre drowning in loot while shottys are done for

ok so this is the SUGGESTION are where we pitch ideas

[craggy girder]

Wrong, actually

read the Document

[leaden raptor]

we dont make them ourselves otherwise we wouldnt pitch

[cerulean trench]

not allowed by the format

if you want a weapon added go give the devs a billion dollars

[craggy girder]

this is moreso "I Don't Like This Problem Ingame, here is Why it should be fixed

READ

WRATH OF THE WORDS

[north oracle]

there's enough people on the dev team to come up with random weapon ideas, we really don't need to get the community's contributions

[leaden raptor]

i can always count on this server to crush my hopes and dreams

[craggy girder]

READ Friend READ

[leaden raptor]

oh i read

now i know what im going to do

“Instead of suggesting the addition of a particular item, you should explain the problem that is caused by an item not existing, and explain how adding an appropriate item would solve that problem and improve the mod.”

bingo

[craggy girder]

Yeah

expect Rejection

[leaden raptor]

you’re a great hype man has anyone ever told you that

[craggy girder]

Many

[umbral gazelle]

i used to think that the number on the gun represent the variant/model number but suddenly i realize it isnt because m1911 can not be the 1911th model of series

[cerulean trench]

90 iterations of P is crazy work btw

[hollow shell]

Not a very helpful argument at all

[hollow shell]

Yes that is the relevant line

I personally don't think we're lacking in guns in the mod

[leaden raptor]

i think we dont have enough, you know we could always do with more

[hollow shell]

So you'd have to convince us why adding more would be beneficial

[leaden raptor]

im pretty persuasive just you wait

just you wait…

wait wait

you’re a dev right

i have an important question

is the halibut cannon a shotgun?

i feel like it is but i dont know

[hollow shell]

(I'm not actually a dev currently but I was)

I'd call it an auto-shotgun, sure.

[leaden raptor]

ok thats useful to know

[hollow shell]

It shoots a tight burst of bullets, don't it?

[leaden raptor]

i was trying to count how many like

endgame endgame shotguns there were

[hollow shell]

I think that's your only one
The closest shotgun before that is Onyxia, just after DoG

[leaden raptor]

i see

very interesting

[hollow shell]

(Dragon's Breath from Yharon used to be a shotgun but it was reworked into a flamethrower.
Which, to be fair, is a weapon type with much less representation)

[cerulean trench]

a real weapon distinction that needs more love is dart guns

[half imp]

true

[cerulean trench]

theres so much potential for class-specific support alone

like instead of the lunic eye or aestheticus for debuff support you could use like. an actual Ranger Weapon

and inflict a debuff with a dart in specific