suggestions-discussion

[errant wind]

Which ruins the thing

[drowsy plank]

astral snow should just count as snow

in all scenarios

just like every other corrupted block type

but astral snowballs that deal rogue damage would be kinda based ngl

[errant wind]

Yeah

[errant wind]

True

[drowsy plank]

like i get astral is trying to be cool but i feel like there is a reason no other evil biome corrupted dirt lmao

[errant wind]

Fair

Like I just think that it’s odd not to be able to craft snowballs out of astral now

It’s basically:
snow? yeah make snowballs out of this it’s chill: snow with a bit of star powder? Hell nah you won’t get your snowballs bro

[indigo yacht]

mid suggestion, actually really cool suggestion, and then "why is that not already a thing" suggestion

i mostly dislike the "encourage more people to use skyline wings over bohb" the reason why people don't now is because the speed was bugged and people haven't realized it's fixed yet and even then most people do

we don't need to encourage people to use wings even more than they already do

besides that i have no opinion on adding harpy ring to terraspark recipe It's a very whatever change

[errant wind]

basically

[indigo yacht]

i hate this server and everyone in it

[kind laurel]

As long as the abyss actually looks hidden and not like your map is bugged I’m for it

[crude geode]

I think we should ban the word toilet from suggestion posting

[boreal lichen]

for what purpose do we need this

[crude geode]

unfunny people

[drowsy plank]

@little crescent shadowspec suggestions are not allowed, and this really is basically just a joke suggestion, so that also isn't allowed

[errant wind]

what kind of suggestion is this...

i wonder if theres gonna be a crimson variant of the shadethrower

[grim tusk]

ofc we get THAT suggestion

as if this new year hadnt already begun bad

[fleet grotto]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Eviscerator

variants arent always going to be the same weapon type

[errant wind]

Oh, but that one sucks

Kinda

[fleet grotto]

na not really

[glass arch]

not a good enough reason

oops sorry for reply ping

if your response to being told that something already exists is "oh but i dont like that one" too bad! it still exists

[wispy wraith]

A tier btw

[oblique birch]

It sucks to use I hate this thing

[obsidian nova]

It does like, the most damage out of any PHM weapons
You just need to aim

[keen zodiac]

slick cane:

[obsidian nova]

Base damage

[keen zodiac]

that means literally nothing

[craggy girder]

dao of pow

highest base melee damage of all of hardmode iirc

[errant wind]

Fair

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-posting message As a side note, Alchemical Flask acts a lot like a flask as it also maks attacks inflict a debuff.

[distant gyro]

-# toxic flask in the corner

[drowsy plank]

toxic flask is a weapon so it has weapon stats

alchemical and the evil flasks just list stats

if you didnt know any better i could totally see someone thinking they were potion effects

[distant gyro]

while its pretty sound to change it anyway i think there are various signs pointing otherwise

• their recipes have clear dissimilarities, including, notably not being crafted at an imbuing station
• there's no consumable and duration tooltip, and in place is the equippable line

and as mentioned the name order

[whole tundra]

That is why I mentioned that a lot of players still think they're normal flasks solely due to the usage of the word Flask

I don't get confused on it nowadays but it sure as hell took me a while to realize they were accessories when I started

[errant wind]

same

[ripe owl]

This seems like a reading problem more than anything

[fleet grotto]

a similar word like elixir could be used

[keen zodiac]

alchemical elixir..

fire react

[obsidian nova]

insert "I can't read, I'm a calamity fan!" image here

[golden sonnet]

I don't think it's a necessary change at all, but when flask is a defined game term it doesn't hurt to avoid it

It's like removing "god" from weapon names that are not associated with gods at all

[misty lichen]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Toxic_Flask tbh

[drowsy plank]

like i mentioned when this was first brought up at least toxic flask has weapon stats, the accessories could easily be mistaken for potions if you were new or unfamiliar with them

[misty lichen]

aawa

[half imp]

this isn't a necessary change but there's better names anyway

thinking Crimson/Corrupt Tonic and Alchemical Decanter both sound better

[keen zodiac]

alchemical elixir trust

[unkempt radish]

DOG 98 attempts melee, any advice... XD

[oblique birch]

wrong channel

[unkempt radish]

oops

[mystic sandal]

Dear suggbot fairy: please forward my suggestions. I think they are very cool and awesome. You can also forward some other ones too but they are less cool and awesome

[spare bison]

Since Calamity has already made quite a few changes to vanilla terraria, I figured this would fit in.

They are actively dialing back on those though

So probably not a change that would happen

🪱

make astral snow craftable into snowballs
It doesn't really make sense that astral snow cannot be crafted into snowballs. yeah you dont need snowballs at once in hardmode except maybe for flurrystorm cannon, but i feel like its just a simple mistake that the devs forgot to implement, please change this. :D

Good one

can we get this

itd be funny if it was like shark fins/gel where tghey have different colors but are literally thes ame item

[golden sonnet]

worth noting is that we arent dialing back just to dial back, we are dialing back in places where changes arent needed, or are best fit another mod to give player choice, rather than forcing QoL onto a major content mod

[spare bison]

Yeah i get that

Which i'd say that suggestion falls under

[serene tendon]

Ah, that's good. I hope that means we'll still see balance changes and reworks to vanilla items, ever since the Chlorophyte armor overhaul I've been hoping there could be more things like that

[hazy nacelle]

I would get it if bosses dropped lesser healing potions right now but that's not a thing

but like, is it really that much to ask that you do the smallest bit of effort to find a glowing mushroom biome

[drowsy plank]

huh

what are you talking about

[hazy nacelle]

yeah ignore the first bit

[drowsy plank]

lol

[hazy nacelle]

forgot that it's even a thing in pre hardmode

but yeah, it's kinda pointless to upgrade the few bosses

a little weird that they are not in the boss bags tho

[errant wind]

Yes def

(It’s mine)

[maiden terrace]

why do i have you blocked?

what did you do to me that i dont remember?

[errant wind]

Idk

[half imp]

funny you say that, now that vanilla buffed chloro armor it's being reverted to vanilla

[serene tendon]

Bruh

[half imp]

it kinda killed chlorophyte

lost its niche as the DPS set but still worse than hallowed at survivability

[novel belfry]

thats stinky

at least turn the calamity set bonus into an accessory then

[serene tendon]

Yeah I don't think we have a Chlorophyte-themed accessory yet anyway

[misty lichen]

lamest accessory ever?

spawn a big vague white circle every 2 minutes

[frail fox]

People would still say it’s better than Toxic Heart somehow

[glass arch]

circle gaming

[half imp]

That's just toxic heart but less cool

[novel belfry]

hmm

fair...

i really do however think the set bonus shouldnt go away entirely

i could see it being class-specific, like melee chlorophyte using the heal circles

ranger using the vanilla one and mage... i dunno

[drowsy plank]

either way it's boring
one is a mega pulse of death and the other is a hitscan beam

[oblique birch]

Better than Toxic Heart

[royal tapir]

The ragebaiter

[half imp]

This would make melee chlorophyte pretty not useful

it would then be competing for a defensive niche against squire, adamantite, hallowed, turtle, and slightly later on, reaver

instead of a DPS set where the competition is just mythril and maybe titanium

which it easily outdoes both

[keen zodiac]

isn't adamantite way better than titanium for dps

[half imp]

probably not

not with shards

If you don't make good use of shards then probably

[drowsy plank]

unless ada got some nerfs in brainstorm everything ive heard says ada is better

outright

[keen zodiac]

yeah
everyone says titanium is such dogshit you should never use it

[drowsy plank]

@lost spire this is two suggestions and one of them already passed

#suggestions-voting message

also counter scarf is already multiclass?????

[lost spire]

Counter scarf?

[drowsy plank]

the true melee damage boost is literally just because, by its nature, true melee doesnt get as many hits in

[errant wind]

I thought adamantite armor was way better than titanium

[drowsy plank]

oh im stupid

[lost spire]

I'm talking about the tank one lol

[drowsy plank]

bloody worm scarf

too many scarves

whatever

[lost spire]

scarves are op please nerf

anyways yeah

[keen zodiac]

yes that's. what i said

[lost spire]

I didn't know it had been said ty

deleted

[drowsy plank]

idk how much longer bloody worm scarf will exist as it is now with the evil2 retier happening Eventually™ anyway

[errant wind]

Retier for evil 2?

[lost spire]

good point

[errant wind]

That’s nice

[keen zodiac]

swapped with dragonfolly in progression

[errant wind]

Ooh

A bit like calclone and slime god?

[keen zodiac]

that one's not guaranteed

[errant wind]

I see

Itd be nice cus slime god is yk, a god

[drowsy plank]

well yeah but calclone and slime god is the more unlikely one, the evil2 retier IS gonna happen

we know that much for sure

[errant wind]

Pretty nice

[lost spire]

I'm imagining a world where Amalagamated Brain only gives rogue damage because dodges are sneaky and Reddit freaks the fuck out

[drowsy plank]

amal brain should die

[indigo yacht]

rogue already has a dodge accessory

[lost spire]

:( I want my free 10% damage

[indigo yacht]

why it need 2

[lost spire]

that was sarcastic and would be a horrible redesign

[drowsy plank]

also rogue will become focus not stealth Eventually™ (again)

of course i think shade was in charge of that and shade left the team so

who fuckin knows atp

[errant wind]

Can’t wait to see what they’ll cook up with perforators

[keen zodiac]

hydra thing

allegedly

[drowsy plank]

wait does this mean it wont just be a blob and three worms anymore

[keen zodiac]

✅

[drowsy plank]

it would be very funny if it wound up more like turkinator tho lmao

would be neat imo since that boss type is rare and vanilla never brought it back

ngl it'd be cool if vanilla gave us back those holiday bosses some day

fuck ocram tho that guy's boss design was always ass from the start

[lost spire]

iirc he was just an eye of Cthulhu reskin

with scythes because fuck you

wonder how calamity would work Lepus into the lore

[grave zinc]

@whole tundra - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename Alchemical, Corrupt and Crimson Flask]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[ripe owl]

[whole tundra]

[ripe owl]

aaaaaint no way

[half imp]

Alchemical Decanter, Unholy Tonic, Vicious Tonic

[keen zodiac]

but alchemical elixir 💔

[whole tundra]

How the fuck have none of my passed suggestions reached the dev server 😭

[keen zodiac]

decanter is still better than current tho

[half imp]

elixir sounds more like something you consume tbh

[keen zodiac]

ture

[ripe owl]

so does tonic

aren't bioshock powerups literally called tonics

[half imp]

no idea

[ripe owl]

found it

welp that's it, gotta rename them yet again

[half imp]

Elixir would have been fine though I just didn't think of it and prefer decanter anyway

[keen zodiac]

yeah tonic is a type of drink

[hearty yew]

your ideas are so fire we do them without community approval

[whole tundra]

Based

Uhhh just ignore the freshly generated world time idea

That one doesn't exist

[keen zodiac]

i liked that one :(

[errant wind]

Gg

[errant wind]

That’s a flex

[errant wind]

Wait? That’s uhhh

That’ll be hard to do

I do hope it comes after SSO

[keen zodiac]

far after

[errant wind]

Aw

I see

I tryna make a battleground game and if it changes later it’s not that good

But hey it’s gonna be nice

Some hydra would be cool honestly

Can’t wait to see for hive mind

Maybe it’s gonna give me a reason to play corruption next time

[kind laurel]

What even is the timeline of events?
I thought it was Brainstorm -> SSO -> probable random crap update -> Sky Update

is Sky update actually really far?
(i can move this to #calamity-update-talk if you want)

[keen zodiac]

nothing after sso is set in stone

they'll just do whatever they feel like

[kind laurel]

Fair

[craggy girder]

what is a decanter

[indigo yacht]

the ever reliable dictionary:

[craggy girder]

i cannot be bothered to search it up

[indigo yacht]

it took more effort to respond on discord than it would to open google and search

[serene tendon]

Gotta add Calamity fans to the list of players who can't read

[craggy girder]

that joke sources from a bad person

or, half sources

genetically somewhere

genghis khan style

anyways its one word

[serene tendon]

That's called a genetic fallacy

[craggy girder]

pardon?

[serene tendon]

You can't discount everything a person says just because he/she is wrong or did wrong on certain points, especially if the point at hand is unrelated to what the person is infamous for. It's a fallacy, or a logical error

[craggy girder]

can you

phrase this less smartly

[glass arch]

no it was worse

it was closer to a retinazer reskin (wow where have i heard of that before) but with a few changes namely the lasers all say fuck you and have massive spread and reduced time between shots

[serene tendon]

Wrong on one subject does not equal wrong on all subjects. Even the funny german man might know a thing or two about how to make a good painting

[craggy girder]

he ironically didnt, his sense of perspective sucked

[glass arch]

by massive spread i mean uh

360 degree spread

[serene tendon]

Ok, I didn't know that, but hopefully you can still see the point

[craggy girder]

i see what you mean yea

[indigo yacht]

theres this like genius neurosurgeon who thinks the earth is flat

or something like that

[obsidian nova]

Wait, he also left? When?

[drowsy plank]

terraria players being unable to read was a joke long before shayy was around and likely will continue to be a joke in the future

[obsidian nova]

Why is everyone leaving

[drowsy plank]

recently, he had life stuff to deal with

cal is volunteer anyway

sometimes u just got more important things to do

[serene tendon]

Yeah that would be another example, although that would moreso be a Faulty Appeal to Authority

[obsidian nova]

A what?

[errant wind]

a type of game on roblox

[obsidian nova]

I see 👍

[obsidian nova]

[tepid crown]

@valid spoke already done for next update

[valid spoke]

Okay then, that's cool.

[indigo yacht]

not really

[craggy girder]

he was a major popularizer of the thing though

specifically for undertale, moreso

[crude geode]

This feels like attributing EVERY usage of or any other random meme to one single person

[craggy girder]

slippery slope

[drowsy plank]

does this look like an undertale server

[craggy girder]

it had the guy in it, who was primarily in the undertale scene

[drowsy plank]

he was not a major popularizer of "terraria players cannot read", that was here long before he was

sure but shayy popularized a completely different joke, and it's not even original

[crude geode]

Also that

[drowsy plank]

he didn't come up with "yugioh players can't read"

there's a million variations of the joke

[craggy girder]

he was moreso a popularizer of "x players cant read" in 202eee5? late 4, early 5

the thing existed yea but he had his own style and many can source their start to that

[crude geode]

We were saying calamity players can’t read before then

[craggy girder]

im aware

[serene tendon]

I guess which fallacy it was would depend on phrasing, it's a blurry line sometimes

[errant wren]

booo can we explode this individual?

[gaunt crystal]

lmfao the suggestion bot told them to compress the image

[indigo yacht]

this isn't a bad suggestion but it could definitely be worded a bit better

"it would be nice" is weak reasoning

[grim tusk]

pretty sure the PMoon one is far older than the Deltarune one

[drowsy plank]

the yugioh one is older than all of them

[tepid crown]

pretty sure the [insert older fandom] one is far older than the pmoon one

[grim tusk]

indeed

Yugioh with its fucking special monsters

[drowsy plank]

synchros???

that's what you take issue with?

[grim tusk]

This monster does (insert 3 paragraphs of text)

[grim tusk]

theres worse?!

OH WAIT

pendulums

Pendulum monsters

[drowsy plank]

yeah

like... stardust has less text than relinquished lmao

[crude geode]

Looking at Nirvana High Paladin

wtf

This is awful

[golden sonnet]

I see how they are problematic, but I love pendulums. They are my favorite summoning type by far

[coral carbon]

Future content sugg

[drowsy plank]

im ngl yugioh does have a wordiness issue, but also nirvana high paladin is dogass, no one plays it lmao

[crude geode]

Lmaooooo

[mystic sandal]

Pretty sure the calamity one is older than pmoon fans

[crude geode]

Pretty sure your mom is older than dirt

[drowsy plank]

that's true earthworms be making new dirt all the time

[kindred basin]

#suggestions-voting message

is that better than

[drowsy plank]

@knotty igloo

check above

if u say yes im marking ur suggestion as completed

[knotty igloo]

OMG YES YES YES YES

THATS SO GOOD

[knotty igloo]

I LOVE YOUUU!!!

[grave zinc]

@knotty igloo - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[## Make the Gelitic Blade less absurdly obnoxious and loud]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[knotty igloo]

the swoosh sound is a bit loud but thats a minor nitpick, i don't really know how it'd sound ingame

oh- yeah no thats good actually

[kindred basin]

i tend to push my sounds pretty loud because they can always be turned down in game

[knotty igloo]

played 1 and 2 seperately in a loop it works really well

[kindred basin]

its better you make them too loud than too soft because they can be turned down, but not turned up

[knotty igloo]

Yeah

[kindred basin]

also it still needs the initial weight of the swing

with the trailing goop afterward

[drowsy plank]

@thorn talon

with good enough timing (no actual reflexes are needed)
ok so which is it do you or do you not need good reflexes to use it

[crude geode]

Yeah this sugg feels. confusing

[drowsy plank]

and like this also just

isnt true?

blazing core gives healing stars instead of damage if you parry while it's on cooldown so it's actually twofold on the damage mitigation part

and also if ur just using blazing core and flame licked shell to parry attacks for damage you are severely undervaluing 90% DR or literally setting an attack's damage value to ONE

okay im just going to need to flag this one unless they respond because it is very clear the damage is the bonus here

and the damage mitigation is the main appeal

which is why the damage mitigation has a cooldown while the projectiles dont

[plush flame]

i like the momentum stop

[knotty igloo]

the healing projectiles disappear super quickly and don't heal much at all

I think it could benefit from reducing amount of projectiles it spawns to spawn like 4, making the healing percentage-based, maybe 1% of max health + 20 hp, and making the projectiles last like 1 second longer. then it'd be kinda like a minigame for extra health if you're good enough at catching it :)

as of right now i dont think the accessory is worth using and it definitely needs a buff

[errant wind]

Is it me or I can’t see a difference?

Unless my wifi fools me

[knotty igloo]

the first one is a higher tone

[kindred basin]

if you're viewing on mobile discord is bugged and will play .oggs as the last .wav or .mp3 file you played

[knotty igloo]

horrible aw

[craggy girder]

reminded myself just now (for stress related reasons): the context of the yugioh "player cant read" and the terraria "player cant read" is similar but also different

one is "the amount of words shown is often scary for players who dont play much" the other is "despite the information being provided, most players of x dont interact with it since its not forced into their face"

me stating this is critical for destress :)

[worthy lintel]

cards with more than 20 words of description can't effect you

i aint reading all that

[urban berry]

Question.

Should counter scarf get a rework?

[half imp]

it doesn't need ine

The 10% true melee dmg it does is very random and could die but like otherwise it's totally fine

[dense locust]

counter scarf losing the true melee damage only for evasion to immediately bring it back

[half imp]

They both should lose it tbh

[drowsy plank]

true

[dense locust]

I hate where evasion is in progression right now

[urban berry]

Maybe rework to have increased crit chance/attack speed upon dash evading(to signify exactly what the first word is. A counter)

[dense locust]

it made sense back when counter scarf was post eye and there wasnt another dash until asgards

[half imp]

It really does not need that

It's effect is already strong

[dense locust]

(and cryo lore but shh not real)

[half imp]

30 second cooldown dodge is insane

[urban berry]

It just doesn't really work with how the evasion gimmick works

[dense locust]

old counter scarf :)

[half imp]

?

[urban berry]

You dodge giving you true melee damage buff

But that means you have to get close to capitalize, meaning you can easily get hit

[half imp]

the true melee buff should be removed anyway

[dense locust]

isnt the true melee boost just at all times or is that only evasion

[half imp]

yes it's all times

You don't need to dodge to get it

Scarf Boost has been dead for years

[urban berry]

Remove it, but don't fully strip it down.

Maybe change it to be like, move speed boost or smthn

[half imp]

it should just be the dash with the dodge

that's all it needs

[urban berry]

That way it can kinda hold up

[dense locust]

it can already hold up

[half imp]

literally just the dash holds up fine

Evasion Scarf having a boost on dodge I could see to make it more of an actual upgrade

[urban berry]

Ok wait

Dash can dodge, but ONLY physical hits(no evading projectiles)

or is that just bad?

Yeah no it's bad

[half imp]

that's just a bad ram

[dense locust]

it cant even ram the 2 bosses its up against properly

[urban berry]

god there's no way to balance counter scarf basically

You remove the dodge, it becomes basically useless compared to every other dash available at that moment

[half imp]

there is literally only one other dash available

shield of ctuhulu

well that and default

[urban berry]

Yeah

And that thing moves farther and a bit faster

[half imp]

no

counter scarf is longer

[urban berry]

Oh

[dense locust]

could you imagine though

[urban berry]

shield is a bit more useful to me though, helps me get out of juggle before cobalt shield

[half imp]

counter scarf is only available once you have cobalt shield anyway

[dense locust]

I mean you dont get scarf until after you already have shield

[urban berry]

Yeah

It's kinda sad how counter scarf can do what cobalt shield can but faster

[half imp]

I think the only thing scarf needs is better vfx

[half imp]

??

cobalt shield and counter scarf are literally entirely different

[urban berry]

Maybe a player sprite resprite

[urban berry]

Scarf can get you out of juggle faster

[half imp]

not really

cobalt shield means you're not being juggled to begin with

[urban berry]

Alright

Just resprite stuff related to the 2 scarves(don't use basic red particles anymore)

[half imp]

yeah the particles on dash are ugly

[oblique birch]

Inverted dye on the Scarf is a classic

But yeah

[robust kite]

Hi chat, I'd like suggesting master death boss balancing, but is it valid suggestion? I think it isn't valid

[distant gyro]

apparently it replaces the dev version which is currently this but i like the new one i think

sounds more swooshy

[keen zodiac]

already planned

[robust kite]

Oh, so will it buff some bosses or nerf them?

Or both

Or unknown

[keen zodiac]

all ai changes to vanilla bosses will be reverted

[ripe owl]

you're thinking of regular master

master death will now become the only way to play death, as well as rev will become expert-exclusive

[robust kite]

Noooooo

[ripe owl]

and both mods will be balanced to AT LEAST not be bullshit hard like Malice or, well, current Master Death

[keen zodiac]

dw they're gonna make it not suck

but ig in the meantime you can post in #1178515062030348308

[robust kite]

Anyway, i never played expert death

[ripe owl]

bruh

[keen zodiac]

then this change doesn't affect you at all

[robust kite]

I'd wish perforators were harder, slime king slightly easier, skeletron skulls less numerous and slower

Also buffed crabulon would be good

[keen zodiac]

the master exclusive changes to death ai are still going away though

[ripe owl]

the master exclusive changes period

but yeah

[oblique birch]

new sfx for Geltic Blade sounds nice

[obsidian nova]

Turn it into a vanity item

[craggy girder]

i mean you can make it a ramdash sin damage???? maybe??????????

like if you slam through a person, you take no damage but you also dont deal dmaage from teh ram

[drowsy plank]

why are we acting like counter scarf is unbalanceable

it's literally fine it just needs the stupid true melee damage boost removed

[keen zodiac]

i have fantastic news

[drowsy plank]

that thing only existed as a means to try to """balance""" true melee by giving it a damage boost on an item you'd basically never take off

[drowsy plank]

also i know it's already getting removed dexeroch was trying to defend it for some reason and decided that that means counter scarf is unbalancable for some reason

i do not get the logic at all

[random talon]

I have found the smallest things to ever complain about

[hazy nacelle]

it's valid, affected me before when I tried to place a garden gnome on the grass but kept wondering why it wouldn't place until I realized it was hammered

[half imp]

10000 stars like icicle arrow sprite flip

[dense locust]

conversation another server made me want to repost this

[drowsy plank]

didnt this already happen or am i forgetting

[dense locust]

no it got screwed over in voting

unless devs changed it outside of that

[frail fox]

A bunch of lifesteal changes are happening in 2.1 but idk if this is one

[hazy nacelle]

it does sound like a double whammy for nerfing lifesteal for no particular reason when difficulty also increases enemy damage

and other sources of healing or life regen are not affected

[random talon]

Lifesteal in calamity always did at least look incredibly janky

[oblique birch]

Standardize sounds good

[indigo yacht]

make lifesteal stronger on higher difficulties

[tepid crown]

redigit ass change

[oblique birch]

Become new defense

[hazy nacelle]

lifesteal flask for melee, totally balanced

[oblique birch]

Cripple lifesteal effectiveness if not well fed

[tepid crown]

dont forget whips and rogue will also benefit from this

[tepid crown]

i love expert mode !!!!!

[oblique birch]

I actually didn't know that was even a thing and later on also found out Cal changed that already so I was worried for nothing

[dense locust]

no redigit is part the reason lifesteal is even nerfed on higher difficulties
since that was originally a vanilla thing that cal extrapolated upon

[hazy nacelle]

Desktop 1.2.2: Items which regenerate health per hit now have a cap of 2 hearts per second.
hmm

ah yes this

Whether a player can restore health with lifesteal effects depends on the lifeSteal variable. By default, it has a maximum value of 80 / 70, and recharges by 36 / 30 each second.
classic / expert numbers

[half imp]

lifesteal difficutly scaling is a vanilla mechanic btw iirc

yeah

cal just overnerfed it

[hazy nacelle]

yeah the other one is from vampire knives changelog that had it mentioned in that way for some reason

[random talon]

calamity when faced with the try not to overnerf everything challenge (it's impossible):

[plush flame]

dont forget overbuff

[random talon]

they buff things?

[tepid crown]

dao of pow

[plush flame]

kaleidoscope is the best weapon in calamity

[oblique birch]

Dao of Pow

[random talon]

ok

[plush flame]

terra blade

[oblique birch]

Pretty good example

[tepid crown]

ngl even if the additive tag wasnt changed itd still be the best because

well

crit tag

[plush flame]

i love mult damage at no actual cost 🤤

[dense locust]

I still dont agree with kalei top 1 but w/e

[random talon]

I think there was a point where people thought Firecracker was viable against Yharon (it wasn't)

[plush flame]

also zenith

[random talon]

I heard that

at least

[plush flame]

zenith is way too good right now

[dense locust]

zenith wasnt overbuffed

[plush flame]

buff was too much for it

[dense locust]

it was buffed back when it was pierce bugged to the point it was garbage

then they fixed the bug

[tepid crown]

zenith isnt overbuffed but it certainly doesnt need the extra damage

[plush flame]

its still got the +20 base damage

for a solid best single weapon for exos ranking

[random talon]

it does if it wants to be used over Calamity weapons

[tepid crown]

it doesnt

[plush flame]

when it gets its buff removed its still gonna be one of the better weapons for exos i'm pretty sure

[plush flame]

cuz yknow

[tepid crown]

yea cuz its just "click and hold on weapon" plus it has slight homing so its like

extremely fucking easy to aim

[plush flame]

that too

[random talon]

I wouldn't say it has homing

[plush flame]

its braindead to use and deals obscene damage

[random talon]

it's just hard to miss

[tepid crown]

it does

[random talon]

with such a big weapon

[tepid crown]

it literally auto targets to nearby enemies

[frail fox]

It definitely was for a bit but that was awhile ago

[random talon]

idk haven't used it in a long time

[plush flame]

it homes in on valid targets within a 20 tile circle of the cursor

[random talon]

ok

[oblique birch]

Zenith has homing

[dense locust]

+20 damage is not an overbuff in this case at all
an overbuff is buffing something that needs it but taken way too far to the point the item in question becomes too strong

you either look at this as a weapon getting a buff it needs having unintended consequences down the line or a weapon that didnt need the buff getting one

in neither case is the +20 damage an overbuff

[tepid crown]

this, basically

theres a reason why i picked dao as my example

it has 4x its normal damage

[plush flame]

3.2x

but still

100 -> 320

having to balance it around like twins and prime forgetting that destroyer exists

[frail fox]

I love when cal buffs weapons then doesn’t remember to nerf them when vanilla buffs them and they stack to deal a billion damage

[dense locust]

its not even balanced vs twins or prime its broken on them too

[dense locust]

shoutout to local iframes cvs

[plush flame]

1:51 twins and 2:32 prime

i forget how good that is

ok yeah thats a very good twins time

[tepid crown]

SPECTRE STAFF AND SPECTRE RIFLE

🔥

[frail fox]

Spectre Rifle 🥀

[plush flame]

oh yeah wasnt spectre staff like high SS for a short time or smth

[tepid crown]

yup, cal tripled its pierce but then 1.4 came around and vanilla doubled the damage or smthn

[plush flame]

considering it had both the eight fucktillion base damage AND the pierce

[dense locust]

checks out

[tepid crown]

and because spectre rifle used spectre staffs projectile, it too, got the damage and pierce buffs

so when 1.4 rolled around it was also busted

good thing its dead now

[plush flame]

spectralstorm uses its own projectiles so luckily it avoided a nerf

[frail fox]

Most forgotten weapon in the mod except for it being broken for a few weeks and then removed and now nohitters act like it was the best weapon ever made

[oblique birch]

I still remembered Spectre Rifle

Shroomer will never match its aura btw

[oblique birch]

Hey I used that long before the incident don't be mean

[hazy nacelle]

I wonder if ReLogic would actually ever address worms being absolutely destroyed by piercing weapons, even more so when they are still spawning in

[frail fox]

Spectre Rifle aura is a green odor cloud

[oblique birch]

Mean

[severe sparrow]

damn is that gend

[plush flame]

dao of pow

[severe sparrow]

tf

[plush flame]

320 base damage

[severe sparrow]

well it does make sense dop is only good against worms

[hazy nacelle]

it requires ambushing the spawning coil

[severe sparrow]

not sure why it needs that high of a damage stat

[plush flame]

"only good against worms"

[severe sparrow]

its main use is against worms, but yea those killtimes aint bad

wait nevermind those killtimes are cracked tf

is dop getting nerfed soon

[dense locust]

yes

[plush flame]

yeah

there's no way its surviving brainstorm

[hazy nacelle]

the longer a worm is the faster it is to kill with infinite piercing

[severe sparrow]

agreed
this damage buff is wayyyyy too much

[kindred basin]

that sounds like its taken out of a song or something

[oblique birch]

Such a funny base damage number

[kindred basin]

or a video

[severe sparrow]

has anyone tested DoP against Deus

[plush flame]

to my knowledge no

[severe sparrow]

curious how it would do against deus

with it being a worm and all

[dense locust]

yes

its like
fine

was somewhere between 2 minutes and 2:30 iirc

[severe sparrow]

thanks

[craggy girder]

brimmy's intended is 3 minutes???

[dense locust]

yes

bear in mind rippers are avoided in tests, so intended time does not literally mean the time the average player will take

[obsidian nova]

Wait fr?

[sharp helm]

Other way around, Cal buffed damage, 1.4 buffed pierce

[random talon]

gonna make a suggestion to rework Dragonfolly's weapons since they all feel like 1.3 relics (with a debatable exception for Swordsplosion)

[drowsy plank]

dragonfolly is being moved to prehardmode so this isnt going to happen

it's swapping with the evil2 bosses

[random talon]

oh neat

[drowsy plank]

so whenever that happens the drops will likely be completely overhauled

i wonder if swordsplosion will survive the shift

it presumably would be dropped by the evil2 hives

[random talon]

Can't wait to see what post-ML difficulty Hive Mind / Perforators would look like

[errant wind]

when do you predict this to come?

[drowsy plank]

i dont

it happens when it happens

[errant wind]

well like

[random talon]

I predict it somewhere in 20027

[errant wind]

numbers of updates after sso

but yeah

fair

[crude geode]

^

[random talon]

maybe during the Distortion update

[errant wind]

the devs do a great job

for once there are great devs behind a game i play

[drowsy plank]

it will be whenever the sky biome rework is added which could be literally whenever the devs feel like tackling it

[errant wind]

oh nice

ig aeralite will be put with dragonfolly

[drowsy plank]

we dont even know what's coming after brainstorm and, presumably, SSO

[errant wind]

which makes a lot of sense

[drowsy plank]

yes

[errant wind]

more than evil2

[drowsy plank]

and folly will be a sky boss as well which also makes more sense

[errant wind]

ooh not jungle anymore

i like that

anyways gtg see ya cog

[frail fox]

Next update it’s a craft!

[craggy girder]

whys it called swordsplosion if it doesnt explode

[drowsy plank]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderlands_2

[frail fox]

Fire

[craggy girder]

whys it called borderlands if it isnt miserable and a horrid construction by terrible people

[drowsy plank]

no i think that's accurate

[craggy girder]

idk i remember borderlands 2 being pretty decent

[drowsy plank]

i found it very boring tbh and i do know there is some controversy around it creators, but also like... i was just referring to the location in-game

[hazy nacelle]

somebody actually using the toxic heart?

[craggy girder]

short but sweet

i support it

[fleet grotto]

It lets you afk every boss besides exos because the game crashes fir some reason

[oblique birch]

it's a great acc that fits its niche

[fleet grotto]

iirc

[craggy girder]

idk but i think we're just pinging you

[novel belfry]

i dunno about you but the heart rate being based on how low you life regen is quite strange

[craggy girder]

ALCOHOLISM 🔥

[novel belfry]

i would've expected it to occur based off how low your health is instead

[obsidian nova]

Idk sounds like something from Purble Place to me

[obsidian nova]

It splodes

[obsidian nova]

We don't even know if SSO2 is coming after SSO1

[craggy girder]

i think he likes guys

[craggy girder]

spriter hell

this would be cool but also Spriter Hell

[drowsy plank]

im quite confident this was already planned but at first was waiting for tmod support for it and now idk what the situation on them is with the leadership change

[craggy girder]

shimmered amidias being a bone serpent :)

[drowsy plank]

it's not exactly a pressing issue gameplay wise or anything

[craggy girder]

its just Spriter Requirement

[fiery oyster]

I know I know

But it's cool 😢

[drowsy plank]

i guess ill let it through for now unless a dev says something but i dont really think this is going to accomplish much lmao

[craggy girder]

i mean its probably gonan be like "this has gone to the devs!"
"the devs, for one reason or another, have rejected this"

or an already planned

[drowsy plank]

i moreso meant this is already something they know they need to do

[craggy girder]

whys it a need

[indigo yacht]

me making a suggestion to overhaul the sunken sea

[craggy girder]

guys you gotta rework stratus globe before brainstorm

[drowsy plank]

vanilla parity, mostly

[craggy girder]

whats that mean

[drowsy plank]

mf you know what the word "parity" means and if you dont google it

[craggy girder]

okay dude

i cant be bothered and you clearly know what the word means

[half imp]

This is literally already planned yes

[craggy girder]

alright cool

[half imp]

but it's low priority

[plush flame]

dude its like 10 keystrokes you couldve done it in the time it took to type that

[fleet grotto]

Vanilla has it

basic

ally

[fiery oyster]

Yay

[craggy girder]

okay man

okay buddy!

[craggy girder]

thank you

[fleet grotto]

just to keep continuity with existing terraria things

[craggy girder]

SiS

[plush flame]

this is true this is SIS

[oblique birch]

awesome suggestion

but this is invalid sorry

[drowsy plank]

@mellow dome please read the rules in the pins

also what slime spear lmfao

[mellow dome]

Base terraria will have a slime spear

[drowsy plank]

so this is a future content suggestion too

please do check the rules document

[craggy girder]

the seven suggestion rule breaks

[drowsy plank]

https://tenor.com/view/flowey-omega-omega-flowey-photoshop-photoshop-flowey-gif-17012877267616235464

[craggy girder]

god tier gif?

[mellow dome]

Base terraria is adding a slime whip and a moon lord whip too

[drowsy plank]

we know

[mellow dome]

So why not add a slime god upgrade

[drowsy plank]

please read the rules

[craggy girder]

why not add the googerbob who flies around and shoots bubbles

[drowsy plank]

again

[craggy girder]

like

this isnt relaly a discussion

[mellow dome]

Maybe catalyst will even do an astrageldon upgrade

[craggy girder]

diego

read

rules doc.

[drowsy plank]

implying catalyst will get updates

[mellow dome]

Okay

[plush flame]

it will eventually trust :cl

[mellow dome]

So uhh... Can you ask the devs to consider it for future content

[drowsy plank]

no

[mellow dome]

Damn it

[drowsy plank]

that is what the rules say

you can't make suggestions about content that isn't out yet

whether that is calamity or vanilla

furthermore, your suggestion is a specific item suggestion

[mellow dome]

Okay

[obsidian nova]

You mean Slithering Death?

[craggy girder]

no i mean amidias being a bone serpent because if he was shimmered he could be a version that came from azafure but ilmeris

yknow

[obsidian nova]

Would shimmer calamitas be a fish then?

[craggy girder]

no i'd like to think they'd be very naturey

but you arent far off

[obsidian nova]

So kind of like Silva?

Would shimmer Permafrost be more like Calamitas or like Providence?

[frail mantle]

shimmer designs aren't necessarily the opposite of their normal designs, just an alt take on their normal designs

[sleek turret]

yea stuff like

[random talon]

shimmer Permafrost and he becomes a druid

the Bandit could look like a ninja

[sleek turret]

shimmer wizard being the mage from final fantasy games

[frail mantle]

bandit getting a stereotypical cartoon prisoner outfit would be funny

[random talon]

lol

[sleek turret]

[tawdry trout]

Scal shimmered form makes her the big ahh mech eye again

[mystic sandal]

Permafrost shimmer makes him into humanoid cryogen

[craggy girder]

i woulda thought it funny for them to be a uhh

super monkey fan club

[obsidian nova]

Why though

[craggy girder]

they sell lots of projectile weapons, including monkey darts

[obsidian nova]

Why not Geraldo then

[craggy girder]

they dont sell jars of fire and genies

[obsidian nova]

[half imp]

dead

No more monkey darts

[craggy girder]

hmmmm.

glaives?

[sleek sable]

500 invalid suggestions

i forgot to think

[mystic sandal]

support this

FUCK wulfrum drones

[sleek sable]

i may or may not remember seeing a suggestion saying they should see though blocks

idk for sure

[fleet grotto]

I remember seeing a suggestion saying that the wulfrum controller drones should see through blocks

maybe thinking of that

[royal tapir]

Like 98% confident they’ve been changed to no longer stop attacking when they have no line of sight

[random talon]

Still annoying when they hide underground like the little CLANKERS they are

[mystic sandal]

cant catch me saying clankers when the wulfrum uprising is 3 months away

[random talon]

They had their uprising already, it’s called Fables

Seriously, the quality of the bots there is impeccable

[sleek sable]

^

some of the most fun i had with what seems to be a basic enemy

meanwhile we got cnidrons levitating through floors

which the wiki claims is intentional apparently

[errant wind]

Snowball suggestion still not accepted btw

[sleek sable]

maybe

[drowsy plank]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-writing-fire-his-writing-is-fire-is-this-fire-hold-up-gif-15400153686296022809

[grave zinc]

@kind laurel - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change the World Icon After Beating Supreme Witch, Calamitas and the Exo Mechanical Bosses]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[indigo yacht]

cool

also, i can see why this suggestion was exclaimed but it's not a bad one...

[worthy lintel]

mostly because formatting, and huh not really a sugg

otherwise its fully acknowledged that the miraculous part of miracle matter is that its still in the game

[drowsy plank]

@real hull you need to reformat this and focus on what exactly the suggestion is saying

[real hull]

Nah

It’s clear enough

[drowsy plank]

no it isn't

it's not going into voting right now because of that, you should format this more like an explanation of what the issue is because right now it's multiple things, like there being too many materials, and needed to do a repetitive event to get those materials

those are two different things

[real hull]

It’s related lil bro

[drowsy plank]

you dont need to insult me because you won't read the rules

[real hull]

How is lil ro an insult

[drowsy plank]

well it aint a fuckin complement that's for sure

[real hull]

Compliment*

[indigo yacht]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/194772750957674497/1138543931366314024/caption.gif

[random talon]

Just rewrite the suggestion dude

“Simplify crafting process” of what???

[indigo yacht]

the game !

[random talon]

Try “Simplify the Crafting Recipe of Miracle Matter”

That will work much better, “lil bro”

[patent nimbus]

this doesnt seem like the highest quality user

they got a verbal earlier for a sexual comment about calamitas

[random talon]

Who gave little Timmy the iPad?

[patent nimbus]

and theyre also asking people to format their sugg in cmt

surprised theyre not warned yet

[errant wind]

wait huh

thats like uhhhh

not cool

[drowsy plank]

oh wait they got a verbal earlier? i didnt see anything in the logs

i love discord's slow ass time to archive messages into its search

so cool

[errant wind]

fair

[patent nimbus]

at least, i think im thinking of the right person?

[random talon]

I could toss petty insults but I should leave this up to you big guys

[errant wind]

idk man but take it back

[drowsy plank]

i dont see any verbals in the logs period

[errant wind]

insults are useless

[drowsy plank]

i wouldnt be surprised if someone just didnt log it again

[patent nimbus]

#calamity-update-talk message

[random talon]

Bro shouldn’t be playing Calamity bc Steal a Brainrot is more his speed

[errant wind]

bro chill

[random talon]

Okay, sorry

I’m done now

[real hull]

nah lil bro

[real hull]

that was u lil bro

[patent nimbus]

[random talon]

[urban berry]

Alright you're just trolling.

[real hull]

nah

its my way of speaking

[drowsy plank]

it does feel like a troll yeah

[patent nimbus]

it seems pretty clear theyre not gonna say anything of value

[drowsy plank]

they're already warned so it this gets any worse ill prolly time out

[urban berry]

Shall we give him the Jerma treatment?

[random talon]

"If I put you in a meat grinder..."

[urban berry]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-jerma-meme-stare-man-jerma-meatgrinder-gif-27599725

[drowsy plank]

they havent quite broken another rule yet tho but this is pretty close to just being disruptive with the repeated insults and lack of anything else relevant to the convo

so we'll see

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[patent nimbus]

not even that earlier comment in update talk?

[drowsy plank]

they were verballed for that, i already escalated to the warn role

[patent nimbus]

k

[real hull]

why are u so pressed lil bro are u calamitas

[drowsy plank]

yeah see like that

[urban berry]

We don't like trolls.

Anyways, made a suggestion that fixes something that I myself struggled with.

[drowsy plank]

i suppose something akin to the magic storage first time boot message would probably be fine

[urban berry]

hell

I didn't even know calamity added a default dash until I had to check to make sure hard mode prog was changed.

[drowsy plank]

just another complete lack of communication from terraria in general

hard to inform people of mechanics

i dont think dumping it all in chat is exactly a solution but it's not exactly like there are a ton of options

there's no tutorial to any of this

besides maybe adding like

idfk, a unique guide line or something??

NPC UI overhaul fucking when red

[urban berry]

Or a tooltip on the starter bag

[glass arch]

i feel like configs being communicated that they exist in general is more of a tmod issue as a whole

[drowsy plank]

i dont even know how long of a lifespan starter bag has

[glass arch]

i dont think putting it on starter bag is a good idea

[drowsy plank]

i know the potions and bombs are both dying

which kinda just leaves the tools atp

[urban berry]

A new player will usually read the bag description before opening

[glass arch]

putting vital game information on a one time use item generally isnt conducive to really anything

[drowsy plank]

i mean starting bag existing in the game

[glass arch]

well yeah theres that but just in the form it exists in currently

[urban berry]

Yeah there's not really any option aside from a one time chat message on making a world (something something "Check config")

[drowsy plank]

i was mostly responding to dexeroch i agree that ur point makes it very missable still

[urban berry]

The only logical option would be the magic storage route

[drowsy plank]

still sucks a little because tons of mods have startup chat messages and the more we perpetuate this, the less readable these actually are

[urban berry]

Yup.

TMod issue.

[drowsy plank]

bc then you just get a wall of text dumped on you at boot

¯_(ツ)_/¯

this is why i think the guide could help, but the problem is NPC UIs fucking suck

[errant wren]

obviously we add a sign on generation at spawn that says it all

[drowsy plank]

i want red to add that stupid dating sim mode he suggested once if only because it would force him to actually make NPCs good

[errant wren]

i have not been reading this channel idk what's going on

[glass arch]

see this would be a good idea

if signs fucking worked through worldgen

[drowsy plank]

[urban berry]

They could also add a item on starter that's just a scrap of paper that says "CHECK CONFIG"

Cause fuck it we passing classroom notes

[errant wren]

big structure at spawn that's just block letters

[drowsy plank]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-writing-fire-his-writing-is-fire-is-this-fire-hold-up-gif-15400153686296022809

[urban berry]

wait this isn't a bad idea but the devs don't allow item suggestions I don't think

[glass arch]

you can generate a sign through worldgen no problem but its really really hard to get them to actually have text on them which is partially why calamity has the draedon holograms

[hazy nacelle]

reminds me of boss aftermath being dumped in chat and then you forget about them

[drowsy plank]

specific item suggestions are against the rules but if your suggestion does get through they'll probably just look at chat or come up with something similar as an idea

[drowsy plank]

so true

[urban berry]

Ye

sucks how it's not just weapons, but items in general

accessories I get. Basic items with 1 use I don't.

[drowsy plank]

you see, if fabsol simply made the progression of the mod good instead of bad when he was first making calamity this wouldnt be an issue

[errant wren]

[glass arch]

issue is what that also entails

[north oracle]

you're so true cog

[urban berry]

Oh yeah.

[north oracle]

calamity should've been designed with 40+ bosses in mind from the start

[urban berry]

You see, if Fabsol didn't exist, this mod wouldn't be an issue.

[north oracle]

technically correct

[drowsy plank]

i am just being honest when i say sometimes ur mod is just going to have to interact with the main progression line sometimes

[urban berry]

Because we wouldn't have shit code

[drowsy plank]

we wouldnt have calamity we'd all be playing fargos or something

[north oracle]

if fabsol didn't exist the mod wouldn't be real at all lmao

for all he sucks he did make it exist

[urban berry]

Or stars above (goated mod btw anyways)

[urban berry]

Yup.

[north oracle]

a dark timeline where anime girls is the most popular mod

[glass arch]

because its really hard to make the distinction between "is this an accessory or is it just a consumable/inventory only item" and people will just find the workaround of "put it on a favoritable item rather than it being an accessory"

[prisma sedge]

I know this doesn't give any confirmation for when it'll be added (or if it will be at all-), but this is still cool to see

[urban berry]

Anime girls, Touhou patterns, and references galore

[north oracle]

spriter hell gif

[drowsy plank]

that future

[urban berry]

... that just sounds like Touhou Urban Legend In Limbo

[prisma sedge]

Also question: are you able to submit a suggestion that's similar to someone else's as long as you don't directly mention theirs as a reason?

[drowsy plank]

sure i guess?

[glass arch]

yeah

ive done it before

[north oracle]

so long as it's not just asking for the same thing yea

[prisma sedge]

Ah damn, I'll have to skip mine then

[north oracle]

if someone's already made a valid suggestion about it that wasn't written well, wait for it to fail voting and write it better lol

[urban berry]

This is a good suggestion too.

[glass arch]

as long as it doesnt refer to any other suggestions even if the concept is similar to the point of being nearly indistinguishable they both can technically go through at the same time

[urban berry]

Just because I hate wulfrum enemies.

[glass arch]

its just commonly accepted that such a thing is what is known as a "dick move"

when i did it it was moreso because the original suggestion got exclam'd and i thought the idea was cool

[drowsy plank]

this happens a lot lol

especially when the suggester just tosses their hands in the air and gives up after the slightest bit of resistance

[prisma sedge]

To be more clear on why I was asking, I wanted to make one that gets across the idea's of Gourmet's but with more explanation behind it so it could get a chance in voting, because theirs was...not great, but I agree with its sentiment

[urban berry]

cough cough gourmet

[drowsy plank]

oh that's fine he's timed out and it's flagged

[glass arch]

yeah that would be fine

[prisma sedge]

Oh nice! I'll probably get to that sometime, then

[hazy nacelle]

the thing is, the moon resources are already planned for rework

[glass arch]

flagged suggs are free game if the poster didnt stick around to fix the sugg

[drowsy plank]

for sure but that doesnt make ASE any less ass to make rn lol

even with the distortion it's just a weird demanding craft

[glass arch]

they're planned for a rework but said rework is also literal years away and its probably a good idea to make recipes Not Horrible while waiting for the distortion

[hazy nacelle]

there are a few materials that are only used to make a different material

[prisma sedge]

A rework when the Distortion update comes out, and who knows when that's going to be-

[drowsy plank]

again even with distortion it's asking for like 3 or 4 fairly annoying mob drops just to make another crafting material instead of just. using those drops directly

[hazy nacelle]

meld blob comes to mind as another example of this

[drowsy plank]

the amount of ASE component crafts could be counted on one hand unless ur name is darksun

yeah

meld blobs also suck ass

[glass arch]

meld construct being turned into a brick has been an idea for like multiple years the issue is just The Gif

[hazy nacelle]

Galactica Singularity as well

life alloy, there's so many

[urban berry]

God I wish I could distort.

[glass arch]

galactica singularity and life alloy are both recipes that do have some reason to exist

[drowsy plank]

i think gala sigs and life alloy are also both going to die still too

so ASE will be the last bastion of fabsolian crafting recipes besides miracle matter but miracle matter is a bit just like the community

[urban berry]

Core of Calamity, Alloys, Singularity, Meld construct, ASE, matter, and shadow spec are all stupid for recipes.

[glass arch]

shadowspec gets a pass

[urban berry]

Ye

[glass arch]

actually its not even stupid

thats not stupid

its just progression gating

[drowsy plank]

shadowspec is only a placeholder and yeah could be worse

[hazy nacelle]

oh man the cores, all of them imho

[drowsy plank]

cores are dead besides core of calamity

[glass arch]

^

[drowsy plank]

and gala sings and life alloy might also be dying in brainstorm too, and if not then, then when the ele weapons get reworked

[glass arch]

and core of calamity is essentially just essences but differently gated

[urban berry]

Oh you don't get it.

[glass arch]

no that is literally what it is

its essences but further gated

there is no higher purpose thats just what it is

[urban berry]

You need to get essences, THEN go to the dungeon just to get enough for each core of calamity

Depending on RNG, it can take 4 minutes.

[drowsy plank]

you dont need to go to the dungeon

cores are dying

the new recipe is just the 3 essences and ashes

[glass arch]

oh no i need to spend checks notes under five minutes to get a crafting material how sad

hell not even that long because calamity makes mob farming a complete and utter nonissue with my beloathed zerg potions

[drowsy plank]

also sunlight is obtainable by literally just flying up, havoc drops from calclone, and eleum can be gotten from frost legion

you can get all of the components for the new core of calamity literally at ur spawn lmao

[glass arch]

realistically the longest part of the process is just killing calclone

[urban berry]

oh

oh wait that can be kinda annoying after provi

[drowsy plank]

which you need to do anyway to unlock them in the first place

[drowsy plank]

calclone doesnt get buffed anymore

[urban berry]

Oh shit really?

[drowsy plank]

bloodstone only drops from ravager

[glass arch]

yeah she hasnt been buffed by provi since we hit like right around 2.0

might have even been before that

[urban berry]

Ok that's cool I didn't know that (haven't played in a while)

[drowsy plank]

and crags mobs but that's dying soon enough when rav gets reworked

[urban berry]

Makes sense but honestly I kinda like crag being buffed.

[drowsy plank]

the crags buff should be new enemies that are actually good not just bloated HP values to get what will eventually just be rav's dedicated material

[glass arch]

and also it should be thematically relevant and not slapped onto a boss that otherwise has no connection to the biome

[drowsy plank]

maybe they can move the old rav weapons to be crag enemy drops when those inevitably get reworked lol

ture

wdym calclone and brimmy have plenty of connections bc brimstone is basically bloodstone so they're basically all the same boss

[prisma sedge]

I hope this doesn't get flagged, because it'd be really funny if it did, but also a huge egg on my face

[drowsy plank]

lmao wait i got it guys

make miracle matter let you make

the miracle matterializer

which does nothing but simplify the miracle matter recipe

it's genius

[glass arch]

so the thing is they COULD have had connections if ravager wasnt in the picture

[drowsy plank]

unironically tho i wish there were more unique crafting stations

static refiner doesnt count that's just solidifier 2

[urban berry]

Minecraft template recipes.
Use matter to make 2 matter, resulting in gaining 1 after using 1 and some items.

[drowsy plank]

it's peak

[urban berry]

Justified by using the basic matter as a baseplate of the second.

[prisma sedge]

An idea I had was giving it the ability to "modify Draedon's Forge" in whatever way, but now that I'm writing it out, it sounds functionally the same

[urban berry]

it's basically using it to make a clone, to use that again.

[hazy nacelle]

is that actually allowed and nobody just did it?

[prisma sedge]

This meaning that you'd basically just fuse it to the forge to make a version that can craft MM easier, it'd basically just be the same thing but with some extra flavor

[craggy girder]

i feel like after you fabricate the first ever miracle matter, you can chat with draedon for a cheaper recipe

[hazy nacelle]

how would this cheaper recipe affect shimmer decrafting

[craggy girder]

oh no im mentioning the thing itslef

the suggestion itself i havent read anything here

[prisma sedge]

Uhhhh...good...question, actually

[craggy girder]

idk they can probably check if its the first or if its draedonef

[prisma sedge]

Maybe it could just have two recipes functionally, but default to shimmering to the smaller one?

It'd leave a risk of wasting materials but I think that's not unreasonable

[craggy girder]

miracle matter vs CMLDI-409

[hazy nacelle]

alchemy table for miracle matter crafting

[drowsy plank]

make the first a permanent upgrade like life fruit and the rest have a consistent and simpler recipe

[craggy girder]

stands for Calamity Mod Luper Duper Ingot

[drowsy plank]

honestly this isn't a bad idea because you could also direct people into the fact that draetalk exists with this by needing to talk to draedon to unlock the recipe or something

[craggy girder]

exaaactly

dont you already need to do that for the draedons forge

[drowsy plank]

no

[craggy girder]

he yaps abt sending a blueprint

[drowsy plank]

i dont think so??

[craggy girder]

its his first draetalk