suggestions-discussion

[craggy girder]

what chart

“theres already charts for those” implies readable document

[drowsy plank]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NpAT_-mky8XjOf6HA5lOw3kNHjwwCSuaLwSlFU1ggB4/edit?tab=t.0
if you go to the misc section there are some pictures

[tepid crown]

ngl i forgot they were put in the future content doc

[gilded citrus]

The document with future content maybe

[half imp]

@copper galleon this has already been done for 2.1

Shifting sands homes like magic missile and no longer stops you from using it again, just like magic missile

[keen zodiac]

wasn't this already posted a few months ago

[crude geode]

Yes

[obsidian nova]

A month and a half, actually
And it never got sent despite being the top 2 voted suggestion from that week
Just saying

[keen zodiac]

normal bot affairs

you probably could just ask nycro to push it manually

[misty lichen]

id much rather just move the premech mana upgrade tbh

you effectively already get a big mana upgrade by the fact your available generalized armors now give you way more (not counting like diamond robe)

you don’t need an additional 50 there

[grim tusk]

its more likely the post-Deus one becomes post-ML

[half imp]

That just makes this suggestion even more relevant

[drowsy plank]

i mean that's not really related to the issue in the suggestion tho

yeah

[half imp]

Even larger of a gap

[drowsy plank]

ngl it's kinda weird that the first calamity life upgrade is like

on the same tier as life fruit, right? or well, when most people usually get life fruit

i know cal makes them start spawning immediately into hardmode but

[tepid crown]

its weird

[distant gyro]

i feel like perma upgrades for those can entirely hold off until pml but i might be staunchly unpopular with that

[tepid crown]

eh

i can see why a start of hm mana upgrade exists

mirroring life fruit

and a start of post ml hp and mana upgrade would be in line with that too

but theres like 4 hp upgrades and 2 of them are in hm

[glass arch]

i can also see why it exists but at that same time start of hm is, as stated before, also a point where armor gives you a massive boost in max mana

[tepid crown]

and one of them forces the vanilla hp upgrade, life fruit, to be moved down

[drowsy plank]

i dont mind life fruit being obtainable earlier cause most people dont actually go for it that early and it gives it more time to grow when you actually need it

and also because unlike life crystals it's all centralized to the jungle

[tepid crown]

jungle armour and adamantite armour give the same amount of max mana,,,,

titanium only gives an extra 20

[glass arch]

nope

adamantite gives 20 more too cal buffs its max mana

[tepid crown]

what the fuck

[half imp]

language

[tepid crown]

statigel only gives 40 max mana

funny

[glass arch]

but also at that same time yeah jungle armor is an outlier in max mana

[tepid crown]

it makes sense in vanilla context

its essentially the molten n necro equivalent for mage

[worthy lintel]

spores give strong mana flow

[obsidian nova]

Okay
Should I delete this one then?

[drowsy plank]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-sweating-phoenix-wright-nervous-phoenix-wright-sweating-gif-461725643747017996

@jade crane night doesn't mean corruption. night is it's own set including stuff like night's edge and dark lance. why would they be red

[jade crane]

To reflect the biome more. Souls of night are a dark purple, reflecting the corruption a bit. I also figured that with the brain rework, it may help flesh out the crimson a bit more.

[craggy girder]

is your nighttime red

[golden sonnet]

Mine is actually, but I acknowledge that isn't the norm

[craggy girder]

souls of night are the souls of, iirc, dark creatures

darkness is not often red, its often a darkish black or darkish purple

if they were the souls of evil creatures, then yes, having them be color changing would make sense

(also they're purple because black is a rather unappealing color for an animated sprite that you're supposed to be able see

[noble shard]

how about we just make them green to confuse people instead

[indigo yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/512927576914788352/1427163990575943700/6m81CvU.gif

[golden sonnet]

You got a problem with that?

[plush flame]

i agree with this

Make Souls of Night green

this is because i hate the community (collection of people) (i also hate the accessory but thats besides the point) and want them to be unhappy with the lack of sensical colouring

[tardy geyser]

they should make all the souls purple

[indigo yacht]

good suggestion

would star

[prisma sedge]

Maybe it could be something like a navy blue, but that might not have the same vibe I suppose

[drowsy plank]

we should make them white because the moon is out at night and the moon is white

[golden sonnet]

smh, whitewashing in my terraria

[sleek turret]

they should be renamed and resprited to essences of light and essences of night and essences of mech souls

[drowsy plank]

essence of mech souls 🥹

[sleek turret]

yea and then we can make more core materials

[keen zodiac]

bring back bloody edge too while we're at it

[worthy lintel]

bring back souls of blight and rename them to souls of ichor

[obsidian nova]

Okay I deleted it 👍

[glass arch]

no no keep lihzahrd bricks because funky progression skips

[indigo yacht]

if you're worried about that you could just like, add souls to it or something

[hazy nacelle]

isn't ravager going to be retiered higher anyway so the recipe should be changing as well?

and then bohldors dropping lihzard brick isn't even necessary?

that's also such a weird thing to have, you can grief yourself with blocks you can't break

[indigo yacht]

not anytime soon

[drowsy plank]

Eventually™

[royal tapir]

I think it’s fairly obvious why Death Whistle uses Lihzahrd Brick

[tepid crown]

golem 2

[hazy nacelle]

but why change it now at all, just going to confuse people further

[tepid crown]

what?

[hazy nacelle]

if you change recipe now, and then also later when it gets reworked

[tepid crown]

yea?

how is that gonna confuse people

[keen zodiac]

99% of everything in the mod right now isn't final

do you have any idea how many thousands of things have been changed and not finalized

[mystic sandal]

yeah ykw youre beating deus instead of ravager Buddy

enjoy your time in shimmer chains boys

[mystic sandal]

now all im saying is that i see no keys of night or light in the overloaded sludge recipe

[tired haven]

The slimes ate them, its inherent to the gel you craft it from

And you cant craft it back into keys because gel is too viscous and won't unstick the souls

[mystic sandal]

this is the masterclass writing i expect out of calamity

[weak granite]

Why are there checkmark reactions and star reactions to the suggestions voting? Or is there no specific use behind it?

[odd fractal]

you react with stars to suggestions you want to be reviewed by the devs for a chance to be added

[golden sonnet]

The pins explain the reactions

[odd fractal]

^

[errant wren]

booo explode

[gaunt crystal]

ew bot

[errant wren]

yay exploded

[vocal moth]

Super saiyan golem

[weak granite]

Thank you

[weak granite]

Thank you, so the check does have a use but it doesn't change anything if we react with one too?

Only the star

[errant wren]

yeah the stars are to vote

[glass arch]

only the star matters everything else people just do

[weak granite]

Okay thank you

[echo leaf]

⭐

[serene vapor]

daedalus mage armor's projectile absorption bonus is still decided by random chance, is thaat something that should be put on a dodge cooldown or not?

[worthy lintel]

dont bother pointing out stuff with daedalus

its 2017 mod slop

so old its better to pull it by the roots, wipe the slate clean and burn it down

and from the ashes, a new armor set is born

[keen zodiac]

icarus armor

[fleet grotto]

no sorry there's no ashes I was hungry

[worthy lintel]

:(

[prisma sedge]

Is it me, or has it been a while since any suggestions were passed to the dev server?

[keen zodiac]

yk you're right
i smell bot fuckery afoot

is nycro still gone

[prisma sedge]

They haven't sent any messages in the past week, so maybe

[plush flame]

#suggestions-posting message no

[keen zodiac]

@agile owl what

what would this solve

earth elemental drops a ton of weapons also

[agile owl]

It wouldn't solve anything other than getting rid of the two worst enemies in the mod until the reworks are made for them. Also, the elemental's weapons aren't even that good to begin with.

[keen zodiac]

cnidrion rework is in like
a couple months

why would they make a dedicated update solely to remove content that's being changed soon

[agile owl]

Idk if a couple months is entirely accurate.
They haven't posted a release window for the Sunken Sea Overhaul yet.

[keen zodiac]

i can see into time

[agile owl]

I don't see why it would be an issue to get rid of the enemy for the time being

[oblique birch]

what would this solve

[keen zodiac]

yeah i already asked

[agile owl]

It's a suggestion lol

[keen zodiac]

if you really hate them that much, install cheat sheet and disable them spawning 👍

[oblique birch]

yeah what would this suggestion solve

other than slowing down SSO development because they have to push another update

[agile owl]

It'd get rid of them??

[oblique birch]

what would that do to the mod?

their reworks are already on the way

[keen zodiac]

the purpose of a suggestion is to improve the mod by solving a problem

this does neither

[agile owl]

The issue is that the ai for the cnidrion is absolutely terrible

All it does is phase through walls and shoot water

[keen zodiac]

signus is also terrible
so should we remove him until the rework in 4 years?

[agile owl]

Signus is not terrible, and actually has a point in the mod

cnidrion is just terrible

[keen zodiac]

[oblique birch]

most hilarious thing I've read today

[agile owl]

Maybe a little terrible

[plush flame]

dog is terrible we should remove dog

[keen zodiac]

true

[agile owl]

this has to be some sort of fallacy

I am talking about a pre-hardmode enemy that has no drops and a bad ai

[oblique birch]

anyways removing an outdated content while its rework is already on the way is literally just put more work into development

this does not help solving outdated content problems

[keen zodiac]

it drops sturdy fossils and amidias' spark

[agile owl]

One sec' I need to search up what amidias' spark is

but a sturdy fossil drop is not that much of a loss

Do you actually use amidias' spark?

[mystic sandal]

you could

its not a good accessory but theres much worse pre-boss

[keen zodiac]

no but it's a drop

[mystic sandal]

id use spark over like a band of regeneration

or non-reforged shoe spikes

[agile owl]

what???

why

[keen zodiac]

i'd use it until i get luxors

[mystic sandal]

because its just like fine

not good not horrible

[agile owl]

I don't get the argument of slowing down development.

Can someone explain how deleting an enemy would slow down development

that much

[oblique birch]

it's literally more work

and if it's more work, why do it in the first place

[mystic sandal]

because you gotta make the new drops fit somewhere else naturally

and like, i dont like cnidrions, i think theyre pretty annoying

but they arent like, horrible enough to be executed

[agile owl]

They kinda are tho

[tepid crown]

ngl if u removed any enemy for having bad ai, youd just be removing

every fucking enemy

[agile owl]

yep, real, we should get rid of bats as well

[oblique birch]

not just enemy

also bad weapons

bad armor

bad accs remove every fucking bad contents because they're outdated

[keen zodiac]

every boss except like 3

[plush flame]

remove everything thats either reused vanilla ai, or a minishark or tungsten broadsword clone

[keen zodiac]

delete the mod until sso because it all sucks

[plush flame]

boom 90% of content gone

[oblique birch]

Exo Mechs are terrible piece of shits remove them first before Cnidrion ngl

[plush flame]

true!

[oblique birch]

most dogshit fight of all time

[agile owl]

I did not think that cnidrion would have that much support when I posted the suggestion

[mystic sandal]

less support more tolerance

[oblique birch]

it's literally just unneccessary to do it

removing outdated content until they get good is just unneccessary

[plush flame]

it sucks but it doesnt actively detract from the mod in such a way that it NEEDS to be removed right now

[oblique birch]

especially since Cal is a pretty old mod that suffered from having a lot of oudated contents

[boreal lichen]

why remove something if its going to be brought back later anyways

[oblique birch]

Cal is such an old mod give it some break

modernization takes time

[keen zodiac]

unc mod

[coral carbon]

pushing an update that removes it would just be unnecessary work

[indigo yacht]

i think a better version of this suggestion would be "modernize these two enemies a little bit before they get reworked so that they're less egregiously bad"

but there's no point in doing it to cnidrion

[agile owl]

Okay then, next time I post a suggestion, I'll make sure it actually makes a necessary change

[keen zodiac]

like DoG

[indigo yacht]

because there won't be any new content added until sso

[indigo yacht]

precisely

[oblique birch]

is Cnidrion even that important to get a temporary change

right now it serves 0 purposes to the progression literally just a filler strong enemy

[agile owl]

That is literally just my reasoning for it getting executed for the time being

I have no idea how long it will be until sso

[keen zodiac]

so why waste any resources on it

[tepid crown]

you didnt communicate that in your suggestion

hdfailure

[oblique birch]

usually it'll be the opposite, thing like DoG that is the face of the mod but is in an absolutely terrible state

[agile owl]

what resources are wasted on deleting an enemy and one item that has nearly zero effect on gameplay?

[indigo yacht]

time

[agile owl]

Kind of did actually

[tepid crown]

you didnt

at all

[indigo yacht]

removing cnidrion would actually be quite a bit of work because iirc they've already reworked it for sso

[oblique birch]

someone has to shift their focus to push the change to live

[indigo yacht]

unless they just want to edit the current version but that would also cause issues

plus it would break every addon again and people would bitch

[agile owl]

every addon??

[oblique birch]

yes every addon needs to update whenever a new Calamity patch drops

[noble shard]

what'd cnidrion do :(

[oblique birch]

because they are, well, Cal's addons

[tepid crown]

if the update changes content the addon depends on, yes it does

[agile owl]

It looked at me wierd

[drowsy plank]

@agile owl future content suggestion

[agile owl]

darn

[drowsy plank]

it's also just bad as everyone has said above
like wow let's create more work for the devs for no reason instead of just letting them focus on making the enemies actually good

if you want to remove all the bad content until SSO you can try this really cool thing called
play a different mod

[indigo yacht]

there's no harm in allowing them to remain in the game besides being mildly annoying, and ngl i actually like seeing cnidrions as ranger since they drop desert fossils

meanwhile, it'd take time and effort to remove them so there's no point

[agile owl]

😐

[drowsy plank]

fr

try fargos

or fables

or spirit

[tepid crown]

or spooky

[drowsy plank]

it will help with the wait until SSO fixes stuff 👍

true

spooky goated

[noble shard]

they're pretty easy to ignore as long as you have any kind of movement anyway lmfao

[indigo yacht]

the ever reliable wall and ceiling (the phase up to the top of it)

[agile owl]

Next time, I'll make a more informed suggestion lmao

[half imp]

It would take some time to do + break Amidias Spark obtainment

plus removing it just to add it reworked would be silly

[craggy girder]

or secrets of the shadows

[drowsy plank]

hasnt moab always taken a horseshoe

[errant wren]

it would also be epic if moab wasn't wings but that's a different conversation

[golden sonnet]

next update:

well, it's still wings, but you can toggle the wing part

[errant wren]

i may have forgotten that

[indigo yacht]

one of the suggestions of all time

[rotund summit]

LETS GO

[rotund summit]

Oh, i didn't know that was already a thing

But they changed it

I'll remove the suggestion

[half imp]

Honestly this item could just die

you can config off default dash and then just Not Equip a dash item

or just bind dash to a button you don't push

[golden sonnet]

this is what we have said yeah

you can jsut bind dash keybind to something you don't use. As much as the new sprite is really funny and I love it, it just doesn't need to exist as an item

[fiery oyster]

Remove the favorite function and let me throw this at my friends mid fight

[timid bone]

or split...

[crude geode]

I'm pretty sure the point's been made

[plush flame]

play my glup shitto mod that doesnt work on the current version of tmod

[crude geode]

no play MY glup shitto mod

[errant wren]

no play my mod that looked really ambitious and showed a lot of potential but was abandoned not even a week into development

[mystic sandal]

Everyone has their own

For me it’s SGA

[drowsy plank]

one of the suggestions of all time for sure

[wide nest]

honestly i just kept hearing the meter fill up when a zombie was off screen and i wanted to channel my annoyance with it

[golden sonnet]

as much I don't outright dislike the idea, it just feels like adding additional effects that will not be used in 99% of cases. I think I get rage while mining like 3 times a playthrough

don't see it being invalid though

[wide nest]

happens constantly for me

but in terms of its actual usefulness it is definitely niche

[drowsy plank]

oh it's definitely not invalid but also there's no way in hell we're getting ANOTHER source of mining speed right after the mining speed accessory nerfs

[wide nest]

oh?

i was not aware this was an ongoing thing

[golden sonnet]

tbh, I might bring those up in dev. I may be in the minority, but so what if you can hit the mining speed cap with 2 accessories and a potion

[indigo yacht]

i think this suggestion would be better if it was "make rage do something to buff the player outside of combat" rather than specifically mining speed

[wide nest]

possibly

[indigo yacht]

bc like

rage does not last for very long

and mining is only a single specific circumstance

additionally it's not hard to get enough mining gear for you to hit the cap and then it wouldn't matter

i think it would really only be relevant at the very beginning of the game and even then it wouldn't be impactful, although to be fair rage as it exists now isn't impactful either

[golden sonnet]

reducing hits needed is my first thought, as that is dealing more damage to the blocks and fits with rage, but pretty sure that is controlled by mining power, and dynamically increasing that causes many issues

[errant wren]

something something increased mining area so you break more at once

[indigo yacht]

veinminer !!

[half imp]

I actually like this

It also serves.as a heart of darkness buff!

[crude geode]

^

[prisma sedge]

^

[keen zodiac]

^

[crude geode]

It would honestly fit very well with how rage is usable outside of boss fights, but is never used bc it’s a damage increase that is largely unnecessary

[wide nest]

i shall edit it in a bit

[hazy nacelle]

why do we need two mechanics doing a similar thing

adrenaline is at least interesting with the interaction of taking a hit but rage is boring, almost a passive damage buff but you have to remember to hit a button to activate it

[crude geode]

Sunk cost fallacy

[keen zodiac]

sunken sea fallacy

[tardy geyser]

True, rework adren to be just defensive imo, it already halves damage and draedon heart exists too. Double rippers could synergize better because you could use adrens defensiveness to get in closer and make better use of rages damage

[misty lichen]

true but realistically neither are great to have as passive mechanics

but they’re too far in i guess?

[craggy girder]

rage rework for mining speed is peak actually

[half imp]

don't get hit for 30 seconds for a defensive buff woohoo

if i was to change one of them i'd change rage for sure

adrenaline is more interesting and fun

rage is just wait a while and now deal more damage

[tardy geyser]

Is this assuming that it would be weak? I was thinking it would be like 50% dr for 5 seconds, which could also be useful for bullet hells of course.
Also adren at the moment is also just wait a while and now deal more damage.

[crude geode]

“Adren is also wait a while”
False equivalency if I’ve ever seen it

[tardy geyser]

Explain?

[crude geode]

Adrenaline’s ‘wait a while’ involves having to perfectly dodge for 30 seconds
Rage’s ‘wait a while’ is…being close to enemies, almost all of which will already get close to you naturally

On top of that, rewarding flawless, damageless play with a purely defensive buff is not good

Bc the player has already demonstrated they don’t need a defensive buff in that instance

The reason there is a defensive part to adrenaline is so you don’t feel like it’s completely wasted for not using it immediately/reacting fast enough/whatever

[tardy geyser]

I understand the first part, I dont quite agree with it because dodging is still something that you want to do as a player, so wait a while and eventually youll get adrenaline still applies imo, but I understand what youre saying
Even if a defensive oriented adren was awarded after no getting hit after 30 seconds, which I dont think it should work like that, I dont see how it wouldnt be good? It would still let you play much more aggressively for a bit which would be rewarding

[hazy nacelle]

like, I would just remove rage altogether but that's just me

[prisma sedge]

Honestly yeah, I feel like it wouldn't be the most major loss if it was combined into adrenaline

[tardy geyser]

Yeah that would be good too

[boreal lichen]

rage is just kinda a passive damage boost button with a cooldown its not really interesting at all

[tardy geyser]

Agreed, it just feels like a worse adrenaline, it could pass its charging mechanic over and then be removed

[prisma sedge]

Actually speaking of, doesn't adrenaline have a thing where the speed it charges is based on how close you are to a boss, within a certain distance?

[tepid crown]

i think rage would be more fun/interesting if the charge was more exaggerated

it loses much faster, but also gains much faster

[tardy geyser]

I dont think so?

[tepid crown]

this is rage

rages charge depends on enemy distance

adren is just a flat timer with the only thing modifying it being stress pills

[prisma sedge]

Ahhh, I see
I'll admit, that kind of supports the idea still though, since it'd generally make more sense for adrenaline to be the one that benefits from putting yourself the most at risk you can be of getting hit (without actually getting hit, of course)

[tardy geyser]

True

[crude geode]

The only real way I see a defensive buff letting you play more aggressively is via facetanking ngl

[zealous aspen]

This but for pickaxes or mining equipment in general ^-^

[tardy geyser]

Yeah thats a good point, Im not sure how else it could work to prevent that

I think facetanking is lame so I dont think about it lo

[half imp]

No, it's mostly that if you can get adren you don't usually actually need the defensive buff

also, adren isn't just wait, it's "wait while also successfully nohitting"

Rage is literally just wait - it can be a little faster based on proximity but it never goes down and still always charges

[crude geode]

Indeed, there’s no “fail state” for rage

[drowsy plank]

kill rage

it literally only exists because it was part of the whole stress/fear garbage from the really old versions of the mod

adren is more than enough

[tepid crown]

kill both

no more ripper mode reference

[crude geode]

Kill every single metal gear reference

[drowsy plank]

i think adren is fine plus stuff actually interacts with is

rage is literally whatever

[crude geode]

Yeah in all honesty it’s fine

Fits with a lot of glass cannon stuff in cal

[tepid crown]

true

lets rename revengeance

[boreal lichen]

agreeable

[drowsy plank]

Calamitous Mode with the Calamity Bar

[craggy girder]

rename death to brimstone mode and revengance to hell mode
this will be excellent

[tepid crown]

unironically better than wat we have rn

[craggy girder]

no i really dont think so

[tardy geyser]

Hell yeah

[craggy girder]

death mode -> incredibly spicy mode
revengance -> spicy mode

THIS is peak

[tepid crown]

absolute cinema

[tardy geyser]

name it after another metal gear game like solid /s

[tepid crown]

blows you up

[balmy hound]

Since rage is literally just tp+damage buff, why not add weapons that use rage as tp?

I don’t know if i use this as a suggestion though

I guess there’s gael’s greatsword

[golden sonnet]

tp?

[drowsy plank]

i think they uh

might be talking about tension points from deltarune?

despite cal coming first i think? lmao

also they pointed out gael's exists right afterwards

[balmy hound]

Yeah tension points

[golden sonnet]

Ok, because I have no clue what a tension point is so was very confused

[balmy hound]

I suppose it’s rather ridiculous to suggest more rage interactions than to just rework rage itself

[tepid crown]

something something girls or nb

[golden sonnet]

LISTEN

I acknowledged that was silly ok

[tepid crown]

:3

[distant gyro]

i think its more the element of like

weapon accessibility

reminder that rage is a feature exclusive to a difficulty

[errant wren]

well then for the other difficulties we change it to a general cooldown duh

[half imp]

rename Revengeance Mode to "intended mode" and death mode to "hard mode"

[umbral gazelle]

hardmode is already a thing so i propose a suggestion to rename death mode to "very hard mode"

[glass arch]

"intended difficulty mode"
"hard difficulty mode"

[indigo yacht]

rename malice to ultrakill must die

[errant wren]

rename them to "the intended calamity experience" and "the intended calamity experience but harder probably"

[half imp]

that's the point

malice is renamed to "extra hard mode"

[oblique birch]

demon mode

[drowsy plank]

reaper/old reaper moment

[polar bison]

Most mundane nitpick ever

[drowsy plank]

tbf cal does have a p big issue with this kinda stuff

[polar bison]

They made the Reaper mistake TWICE

[golden sonnet]

Eh, reaper is just "reaper", while the weapon is "The Old Reaper", I think that's distinct enough. This Sugg is just straight up the same thing twice

[drowsy plank]

the old reaper used to be called "The Reaper"

i made the suggestion to make it called "The Old Reaper"

[golden sonnet]

Oh, yeah that's dumb

the old name I mean

not your change

[drowsy plank]

mhm

lol

[golden sonnet]

Had to make sure that didn't get misinterpreted lmao

[drowsy plank]

np

[polar bison]

Reaper Sharks used be named Reapers

[golden sonnet]

lmao, they did

you're right, they really did the same thing twice

[drowsy plank]

technically three times since Reaper Sharks shared a name with Reaper the enemy from vanilla Solar Eclipses shared a name with The Reaper the weapon

and now you have Tooth Balls the NPC and Tooth Balls the weapon

Tooth Ball is such an awful weapon name anyway lmao

[polar bison]

Yeah I can't think of anything better off the top of my head but like it's real hard to think of something worse

[drowsy plank]

it's really funny bc besides the sprite

it has

NOTHING

to do with teeth

it makes blood rain fall on stealth strikes

[polar bison]

Weeping Cysts

Bam easy

[drowsy plank]

PEAK

[golden sonnet]

idk, fuckin uhhhhhh, Serrated slasher, Serrated Flesh

wait that's a modifier fuck

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[golden sonnet]

tried to choose a word not used in calamity only to get hit with rogue modifier

[polar bison]

Pimple Poppers

[drowsy plank]

Weeping Cysts seems like a good name tbqh

lmao ew

it works tho

[golden sonnet]

regardless it'll just be temp before Evil 2 gets moved and their pool as a whole needs to be largely re-evaluated

[drowsy plank]

oh right true

still should probably get a rename

we all know how soon "soon" is

[polar bison]

Yeaaaah lol none the current weapons' vibes except maybe Flesh of Infidelity really fit a post ml vibe

[golden sonnet]

Correct, it's a super minor change that should happen, but it will almost certainly die later

[half imp]

just rename the old duke enemy tbh

[oblique birch]

or kill all of them

[drowsy plank]

why? at least that has teeth related to it

[half imp]

a weapon name is more used and known by players so it makes more sense to leave alone

[drowsy plank]

it explodes into teeth

tooth ball the weapon doesnt even do anything with teeth

[polar bison]

Fang Ball ig?

[golden sonnet]

They do both have plans for major changes yeah, lmao. Although I guess that is true for like half the mod at this point

[half imp]

rename the enemy tooth ball into tooth mine

done

[drowsy plank]

i guess

[golden sonnet]

mines don't fly around at mach 10

[half imp]

maybe yours don't

[golden sonnet]

mine don't

ha

haha

[polar bison]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-cat-explosion-gif-11079301938727146216

[drowsy plank]

this is because PBG's minions are bad

imagine if plague mines were actual mines

[half imp]

mines fly at mach 10 in vanilla too

[oblique birch]

this fucking sucks

[half imp]

proximity mine launcher go

contender for most forgettable weapon probably ngl

[drowsy plank]

well yeah that's bc it's a launcher
once they hit the ground they really dont move much lol

[crude geode]

literal coolest ball ever

[half imp]

tooth nuke

[oblique birch]

🥀

[crude geode]

It’s funny bc it technically has a use…against the shitass walking enemies from the moons/dungeon

It just is so forgettable no one cares

[glass arch]

prox mine used to be fucking goated didnt it

[half imp]

never heard of that

I love the weapon because it's silly though

[golden sonnet]

yeah, calamity buffs pushed it over pretty sure

[polar bison]

Even when launchers were scarce it's always been beat out

[glass arch]

i remember early ish 1.4.4 cal prox mine was really really good

[polar bison]

It's been forced to exist with the Snowman cannon since birth

[golden sonnet]

then it got nerfed back down

[half imp]

thinking about it more tooth nuke feels like the best option because then I can have an excuse for a tooth nuke emoji reaction

[drowsy plank]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[glass arch]

truth duke

[half imp]

tooth duke

[royal tapir]

Tooth Nuke 🔥

[frozen kite]

clearly this guy has never owned a lucky lucky horseshoe

[umbral gazelle]

deadly deadly sphere staff

[wide nest]

"weeping cyst" is great

[keen zodiac]

most permafrost shop weapons are dying iirc

[serene vapor]

aw come on

that really sucks

is it happening in SSO or later down the line

[keen zodiac]

i could be completely wrong, i'll have to ask a dev tomorrow

[keen zodiac]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

not sure

i also need to check if the dialogue rework is still in sso

[serene vapor]

please no

[keen zodiac]

???

[serene vapor]

"dialogue rework" sounds terrible

[keen zodiac]

what

he's gonna have like

an entire new dialogue tree

[serene vapor]

because of WOTG im worried about any reworks to the dialog system

[keen zodiac]

with actual lore

[serene vapor]

solyn has like 5 non-quest related dialog pieces

and i really dont like that

if its more like draedon's codebreaker dialog, then im on board

[keen zodiac]

i would imagine

[serene vapor]

though id rather have a draedon-style lore dump from amidias, itd be nice to see the pov of someone who wasn't working for yharim

[keen zodiac]

amidias will also have new dialogue

and even quests

[serene vapor]

very nice

amidias just becomes angler 2

[crude geode]

“Rework into a melee weapon”

[serene vapor]

it was an idea

besides, the only option for spears in early hardmode is the ore spears

and earthen pike but #suggestions-voting message some people don't seem to like it

(and also ghastly glaive but who does old one's army?)

[serene vapor]

@hybrid dew i love crabs too but give the bottom line a read

[hybrid dew]

But i actually want more crabs

[serene vapor]

yeah

me too

that's why you make your own mod i guess

[keen zodiac]

yeah suggestions are generally for improving the mod by solving a problem

[hybrid dew]

Oh

[keen zodiac]

you're trying to convince the devs why the mod needs your addition to be better

[serene vapor]

for example: my icicle trident suggestion is because i believe the weapon is in an awkward position due to being so similar to clothier's wrath

[keen zodiac]

yeah
npc weapon bloat is real

[hybrid dew]

Ok ):

[serene vapor]

fr
name 5 people that have ever used the lion heart

[crude geode]

Facetankers

[keen zodiac]

i could actually do that

it's pretty popular

[serene vapor]

oh right yeah i forgot it could do that

[keen zodiac]

better obtainment method is needed though

[serene vapor]

definitely

[keen zodiac]

wait it's donor isn't it

fuck

[crude geode]

donor hell

[drowsy plank]

why the fuck would you try to solve a bloat problem by turning a mage weapon into a melee weapon

"i think calamity has too many bosses so in order to fix this i think nuclear terror should be made into a boss"

[tepid crown]

no itd be more like moving profaned guardians into post golem tier

[drowsy plank]

true

my main point is the "solution" solves nothing

[vague bramble]

hi cog

[fleet grotto]

it's the best melee weapon for dog!!

[obsidian nova]

What are we going to rename Rot Balls to?
How about Woeful Tumors?

[serene vapor]

i couldnt think of a better solution

[drowsy plank]

fair i guess

[glass arch]

i mean

the clearest solution is to remove it

[serene vapor]

nah

[prisma sedge]

@inland saddle
Sorry if this is a bother, but is the bot working? It seems like it's almost been a month since any suggestions got updates after being sent to the voting channel

[inland saddle]

It’s possible it’s just been down every time it was supposed to do the collection

Nope nvm it just missed the 28th

And due to outage there were no suggestions for the 5th

I’ll take a look at the suggestions from the period for the 28th

[prisma sedge]

Alright, nice!

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Post Moon Lord Crates to Allow for Fishing to Have Value in the Lategame but Prevent Crate Hoarding]

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@polar bison - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Ancient Bone Dust]

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[Change some debuffs to not just be "lose x amount of hp per second"]

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@bleak karma - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[make bosses less hesitant to dash]

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[prisma sedge]

Sick!

[polar bison]

hopefully it gets slain

[prisma sedge]

Also, does [Buff Calamity Crate pools] also qualify, or is that going to be for this next batch?

[median scaffold]

Since the changes to the crates had been already rolled out (iirc), I think it should be fine to post suggestions about them

[humble scarab]

there is already a suggestion to buff the crates in #suggestions-voting

and cogs sugg got send to the devs

so you can i guess

[median scaffold]

Oh, I think I've misread the question

[median scaffold]

The suggestion needs to be at least a week old, so yeah, it'll be sent this friday

[obsidian nova]

If it's not too much to ask, could you also forward my suggestion from October? (And also the other two from that week, the punctuation one and the frost legion one (and maybe also the armor mixing one ))

[echo leaf]

me

and me, like, four more times

[drowsy plank]

i

guess?

[indigo yacht]

? dont they fly away and despawn usually

[mystic sandal]

i think most of them do the standard vanilla thing

where they either go off screen or dig underground

they'd only insta despawn if you're using like, nycro's or smth

[drowsy plank]

ok wasnt sure

then yeah idk what this is talking about then lmao

@sand hull ok so this is inaccurate

most bosses just fly off screen like vanilla bosses do

so you're going to need to remove the inaccurate information and then explain in a bit more detail what exactly despawning animations add to the game

i get they improve polish but there are so many other places that sort of effort could be directed rn rather than this mostly unnecessary feature

[sand hull]

Ok

[grave zinc]

@indigo yacht - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add More Double Jump Accessories]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
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@thin lake - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Post-Mood Lord Dart-based weaponry is sorely needed]

It has been voted upon by the devs, and although it did not receieve enough positive votes to pass, the final results were very close.
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[thin lake]

😔

[drowsy plank]

NO new items
FUCK you 🖕 /j

[prisma sedge]

I can kind of understand why, but this is still kind of a shame

[indigo yacht]

this better just be that their wing alternatives wont be double jumps

if it's because they already added like 2 things (moab toggle and gravity globe) I'm going to be disappointed

[drowsy plank]

they will probably just not add wing alternatives

[indigo yacht]

guh

[thin lake]

i do wish there was more ranged weapon variety past bows and guns tho

i think there's like one post-exo/calamitas launcher

nothing else in the dart or miscellaneous category

[novel belfry]

Make either killing or dealing enough damage to Calamitas (the Town NPC) summon Supreme Calamitas

It doesn't seem right to me that you can just kill Calamitas outside of her fight, and she doesn't even bother fighting back. That doesn't add up.

[thin lake]

there's a star-using weapon but it doesn't have the sauce the super star shooter has imo

[novel belfry]

should i add godfrey reaction as an image to my sugg

[thin lake]

there should be a balance of funny and fun with weapons, if you catch my drift

dart rifle is on the precise middle of funny and fun cause it is also very good in master mode vanilla

[glass arch]

to play devils advocate against this

[indigo yacht]

so true

[indigo yacht]

ok but why

[drowsy plank]

i mean it is a little weird you can just beat her to death

it's the same reason they have such high HP values versus normal npcs

[indigo yacht]

you can beat any of your other npcs to death and they won't do anything despite very clearly being able to attack enemies

[novel belfry]

the difference is that calamitas is literally not only a boss fight, but one of the two current final bosses of the mod

[frail fox]

Need permafrost to do the same thing clearly

[north steppe]

Goblin tinkerer spawns a platinum coin superboss when brought below 99% hp

[glass arch]

pretty sure it means once you beat scal you just cannot get rid of the npc

not gonna lie i forgot i started typing that and then i went to do more stuff at work so uhh only 45 minutes late

[novel belfry]

slowpoke

[craggy girder]

i think itd make more sense if she simply particle exploded and did massive damage to people nearby before leaving for a bit

like how the angler "leaves", she probably wouldnt stick around for very long if you kept poking her

(also, when you summon her again, she mentions how its moreso a spar than her previous appearance)

[worthy crown]

yo can someone give me some feedback on a suggestion before i post it

[humble scarab]

you can post here

before posting in #suggestions-posting

[worthy crown]

alr(it's just a tiny bit long)

Retier and add about two more upgrades to the elemental gauntlet.

There was always so much potential with a few more upgrades to the gauntlet. It could add better accessory progression for the melee class. For the elemental gauntlet it could be retiered to after moonlord.

Afterwards there could be one upgrade called "The Godfist", which is tiered above DoG like the current Elemental gauntlet and gives overall more stat boosts for melee.

Following this, Post Exo mechs there can be a final upgrade called "Omniglove", which could use the yoyo bag and Berserkers glove just to bring it all together into one item for easier use and a higher stat increase before the final boss.

[half imp]

this would fall under specific item suggestion I think

[worthy crown]

yeah it would

-# i think

[half imp]

those aren't allowed (or else we'd be flooded with them all the time), suggestions are moreso meant to be about addressing a problem in the mod

[worthy crown]

aahh damnit..

i understand then

[half imp]

A suggestion such as "add an upgrade to toxic heart" would probably be fine if given reasons it would make the mod better/solve a problem - such as providing debuff builds more options later in the game where debuff accessories are lacking

I personally can't really think of any sort of problem that would be solved by more gloves - and I also think the team would rather do more unique accessories anyway instead of making the one melee line already used throughout the whole game even larger

[worthy crown]

makes sense why the final upgrade is tiered so high then

I just thought the Accessory lineup for melee was a little lacking for post-Moonlord

[half imp]

that's a fair concern and would be a better place to build a suggestion

"add more melee accesories post moon lord"

[worthy crown]

yeah you're right-

[half imp]

Could note that melee only really gets Badge of Bravery and Elemental Gauntlet, both of which are just basic stats

stuff like that

[worthy crown]

yeah, that's the kind of stuff i meant with lacking

[half imp]

well, and warbanner of the sun I guess

I forgot about that

[worthy crown]

pfft- same here

[errant wren]

warbanner of the sun doesn't exist

[worthy crown]

I'll try and redo my suggestion

[half imp]

there's a pinned document that goes over the general "rule" / things to avoid in suggestions I'd recommend giving a look at

[worthy crown]

i did read those a bit ago

[errant wren]

hey come to think of it (this is unrelated)

why do drills even exist

oh nevermind it turns out that i never realized they were changed

[worthy crown]

Add more Melee accessories for post-mL.

Melee accessories post-mL have always been quite lacking, with only a few: Badge of Bravery, and Elemental Gauntlet, and small few that may be forgettable.

To fix this, I'd suggest to add some kind of melee accessory obtainable after defeating mL, which could also help with bosses right after, such as Profaned guardians, dragonfolly, etc.

[errant wren]

i think i'd change that second section to be more general than an upgrade

in my opinion

[worthy crown]

yeah ur kinda right

im gonna go to sleep, I'll repond in the morning to anything

[misty lichen]

i do think fire gauntlet should go back to its normal vanilla tiering and have cal add some like post golem/ml one instead

cause it’s already a weird thing to retier then have to justify by making its stats better imo

[gilded citrus]

Cant you also summon wof by killing guide with doll equipped in hell

[distant gyro]

i think you just kill the guide. in general

[humble scarab]

ye

you can just drop him into lava

[severe sparrow]

the Gravity Globe's becoming a sidgrade to wings

[mystic sandal]

I think this suggestion is very silly but also I like having silly stuff like this in the game

She’s so bulky you can never really proc this on accident either

[indigo yacht]

yeah i know and i think there should be more

[severe sparrow]

true

[craggy girder]

how do you sidegrade wings

they're wings

[indigo yacht]

this is the attitude i don't like

[craggy girder]

no im asking legitimately

[indigo yacht]

I didn't mean that to sound rude it came out wrong

[craggy girder]

wings are so dominant in the "moving sideways" sphere

[indigo yacht]

correct which is lame

[craggy girder]

how would you sidegrade them without just making a mount

[errant wren]

rocket boots

[humble scarab]

make an interesting movement accs

and nerf wings based on those accs

[half imp]

Move vertical

[craggy girder]

then you die though

bc then you get hit

[half imp]

not really no

some attacks are dodged vertical, some are dodged horizontal

some diagonal

[craggy girder]

like looking at the one in cst

[half imp]

gravity globe provides

• gravity swapping
• horizontal speed
• jump and fall speed
• infinite very fast accel jumps

[craggy girder]

there is not horizontal speed

unless you mash the up and down key and thats just odd mushroom but mobility

[half imp]

there is horizontal speed, by then end I'm moving horizontally at a totally acceptable speed

It doesn't have as much horizontal accel as wings, though

[craggy girder]

there is like
lightning boots speed in the air with that

[half imp]

so you'd have to work around that with a dash, hook, or something

[craggy girder]

vs the massive speed with wings

[half imp]

lightning boots speed in the air is literally the speed of every pre ml wing

[craggy girder]

yea this thing is post ml

[half imp]

except Hadarian and hovers

[craggy girder]

half trolling there, but im somewhat serious

you get the celestial hoverboard + all the classwings right as soon as you kill that guy

[half imp]

The horizontal speed here is better than vortex and nebula actually

I'd have to look again what I set it to but it's better than them

[craggy girder]

celestial hoverboard has both a hover and a sharp boost upward, at the cost of very little

like in theory, from what i saw, if you mash up, space, up, space, up, space

[half imp]

oh also there's a config to disable screen swap from gravity in 2.1

[craggy girder]

really really fast

[craggy girder]

huh

[half imp]

so it's not really that bad in terms of being disorienting

[craggy girder]

how would that work

like how does it not screenswap

[half imp]

the player flips and everything else stays the same

[craggy girder]

oh

huh

[half imp]

globe does function as a wing alt well and honestly might be a little overtuned of an item from my testing, but I left it that way because it's also significantly more niche than wings by design

[craggy girder]

okay well you've kinda explained away most my issues

[half imp]

I definitely expect globe will not be commonly used but it is definitely viable

the value of having a very fast accel jump is pretty big

it's what makes MOAB good too

[craggy girder]

see this is what im expecting is gonna happen

circle is the double jump

[half imp]

what is the up arrow representing

[craggy girder]

swapping gravity

[half imp]

oh ok

[craggy girder]

they swap gravity, double jump, swap gravity, double jump

really really fast

[half imp]

If you're going to do that it'd usually be better to just not use the jump

since you'd be staying in the same place overall

[craggy girder]

you're holding right

[half imp]

yeah but that's identical to not using the jump

The jump doesn't have any horizontal effect

[craggy girder]

?

[half imp]

the horizontal speed is built into the item itself

the jump is entirely vertical speed/accel

[craggy girder]

oh i see

magi with this thing will be actually insane ?

[half imp]

magi doesn't work in the air

[craggy girder]

bro this thing is no fun

[half imp]

but magi is getting added into statis ninja belt and does work in the air on that I think

[craggy girder]

its just going upward and slight air mobility :(

[half imp]

Realistically like

Globe + wings is going to be the meta anyway

[craggy girder]

i wanna shatter the game atwain

[half imp]

it also provides a lot of fall speed

[craggy girder]

i can just bean

press r and im rocketing downwards

[half imp]

this is able to be faster

[craggy girder]

mmmmmmm i dunno

[half imp]

and I think it stacks with bean

idr

[craggy girder]

can you actually test which is faster, globe or bean

[half imp]

I did

when I made globe

I don't remember the exact numbers anymore but I did have to nerf globe + sabaton bc I was hitting like 250mph+

[craggy girder]

im getting a sense someone could use sabaton globe bean to actually burden breaker 4.0

or just

moving downwards

theres a lot of moving downwards items in calamity for some reason

[half imp]

Realistically if you want speed to go down, Starboard + globe jump

starboard has insane top speed and you can globe jump down to get there really fast

significantly faster than Starboard boost

[craggy girder]

doubletapping the down arrow key and hitting 1k mph

[indigo yacht]

yeah like it looks fun and unique and i want more stuff like it and bohb

[craggy girder]

whats really funny is like

why would you ever wanna go downwards at 250 mph

ever

[indigo yacht]

fake fallgodder

[half imp]

kiting a boss

[craggy girder]

you'd just

despawn them

oh god wait a second

[half imp]

most post ml bosses don't despawn that easy

[craggy girder]

portal gun

portal gun and globe and sabaton

eight billion mph

[craggy girder]

iii dunno

[half imp]

ultimately like

globe probably isn't for you but it's definitely for some people

it's niche but good at what it does

[craggy girder]

it sounds funny at most

like yes i do wanna go into space by pressing three keys and then hell in two

[half imp]

it's actually one of the two best ways to deal with 2.1 death dog dash/hookless, alongside starboard hover

[craggy girder]

ill take your word for it (i cant play it nor have seen it :( )

[half imp]

Ultimately gravity globe is like frog leg, sabaton, grav potion, and a vertical dash accessory all in one

[craggy girder]

i use one of these! rarely!

magical

[half imp]

Yeah, then as I said it's probably not for you

[craggy girder]

lmao

[half imp]

people who love frog leg are going to get good use out of it though

[craggy girder]

ill just use the new swords and be gleeful at funny colors

[old acorn]

I feel like the abyss treasure loot should be fishable for multi player

Me and my partner couldn't find another depth charm

[tardy geyser]

You can get them from hydrothermal crates, which can be fished up in the sulphurous sea after you beat wall of flesh

[old acorn]

Huh weird I'm surprised that wasn't on the wiki

[tardy geyser]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Hydrothermal_Crate

[hazy nacelle]

crate's page lists it but the item's page doesn't

oh it's in the little thing on the side, not in the main body text

[grave zinc]

@novel belfry - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Buff Calamity Crate pools]

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@glass arch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Take Atlases off the Lifeform Analyzer]

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[novel belfry]

my sugg has like 185 stars as of writing this message

holy shit

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Post Moon Lord Crates to Allow for Fishing to Have Value in the Lategame but Prevent Crate Hoarding]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
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@polar bison - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Ancient Bone Dust]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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@wet anvil - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change some debuffs to not just be "lose x amount of hp per second"]

It has been voted upon by the devs, and although it did not receieve enough positive votes to pass, the final results were very close.
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@bleak karma - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[make bosses less hesitant to dash]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
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[drowsy plank]

sad!

[ripe owl]

I think it was obvious though

Adding a WHOLE SET of new crates, while does sound fun, is also a bit insane

[frail fox]

Wouldn’t be very difficult I think? Pretty sure the potential sprites already exist

Unless you mean codewise

[obsidian nova]

Config hell
(Seriously though it would probably work better as an item)
(You know, one of those items that work in your inventory or piggy bank)

[obsidian nova]

Yeah probably codewise

[thin lake]

i don't see a reason to do that when vanilla has its own protocol for crates based on game progression and calamity follows it pretty nicely

you could add a plague chest that gains more post-ML ores for each boss past Providence but eh

it would be good to not

constantly fight devourer or exo mechs for their respective material drops

but at that point make an exo crate

draedon gives you the exo fishing rod with 9001% fishing power idk

[boreal lichen]

but why would a plague chest have any post ml ores, or any post ml content at all

[frail fox]

Okay but like even if those exist why would they have boss drops

Or whatever else yeah

[thin lake]

why have more crates to clutter up your inventory for the sake of post-ml ores

when you can make a progressive marker for the previous ones

[crude geode]

Crate hoarding

Same reason vanilla changed it to pre and post hm

[thin lake]

i barely fish, so i'm not one with the crate hoarding

but it's kinda weird imo

[frail fox]

Pml crates are kinda neat but then you realize what would most of them even do

Like you could add older ores ig but like idk

Nothing huge like vanilla where you get 6 ores immediately in hardmode

[thin lake]

you can't even assign them as luminite crates because there are planetoids that spawn with enough ore for eight players and astrum deus drops fragments

which if you beat ml you should have no problem farming deus

i like having options to get stuff in terraria but it starts to get cluttered when you make things over-accessible

but then again there isn't really anything to compare crate progression works

[humble scarab]

crates mainly exists to get more stuff which are normally limited in your world

[thin lake]

if only they could drop the enchanted sword

redigit.

[humble scarab]

i would be ok with it as a rare drop

[distant gyro]

yeah

[humble scarab]

im suprised redigit didnt make it as a rare drop

[thin lake]

i've always hated the enchanted sword ever since they made the zenith

it's very hard to track down in a world and even then there are fakes

[distant gyro]

it's weird that you would ever want something really specific out of like

post moon lord ocean crate

otherwise what's the point of it existing

[thin lake]

i'd argue there wasn't much point to crates existing in the first place

[distant gyro]

now yeah the whole point of hardmode crates in vanilla is literally to only gate hardmode ores but there's no real equivalent of that either

[humble scarab]

?

[thin lake]

it makes fishing for specific material fish much more tedious

as well as doing angler quests

[hazy nacelle]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Enchanted_Sword

The Enchanted Sword also has a 1/30 (3.33%) and 1/15 (6.67%) chance to be found in Golden and Titanium Crates respectively.

[thin lake]

it kinda just wastes my time outside of lava crates

[humble scarab]

damn

[gilded citrus]

What angler quests use crates

[thin lake]

man we stupid

[crude geode]

Definitely a hot take

[thin lake]

i mean crates just get in the way of obtaining fish

that's what i meant

[humble scarab]

not that much

[frail fox]

Fishing for my useless post-ml hallow and jungle crates 🔥

[gilded citrus]

They arent crazy common so they shouldnt be making getting angler quest fish much more time consuming if at all

[thin lake]

and by the time i would get those crates i'm well past the tier of stuff they drop or already have everything

[distant gyro]

i mean the reasoning is not the most farfetched

[thin lake]

and even then, alchemist table

[crude geode]

alchemist table is truly one of the furniture of all time

[distant gyro]

i gave the same reason for why spadefish continuing to exist in a perpetual planned rework state is actually negative for fishing players, it actively eating away useful items

[crude geode]

[distant gyro]

for context reaver shark is back to being the fast pickaxe instead of the progression skipper

[humble scarab]

good

[distant gyro]

so it just outscales spadefish again

[thin lake]

i would prefer if it was in a less nerfed state

reaver shark just ignoring pre-hardmode almost entirely is really stupid

it definitely felt like a pure oversight

[distant gyro]

it was like that originally

[humble scarab]

ye

[hazy nacelle]

just yeet the spadefish, it's too complicated to obtain for what it's supposed to be

[crude geode]

Fishing in the ocean is not a difficult enough task to justify the progression skip tbfh

[distant gyro]

but at the end of the day the one number that matters for reaver shark for most people is is it 65+ or not

[thin lake]

unless for the funny you constantly fished up sharks in place of the reaver shark until you beat skeletron

[humble scarab]

that would be good

shark fins

i always have trouble getting those

[thin lake]

also finding orcas

[gilded citrus]

^
This is my opinion on it, progression skipping is fine but gotta be out of the norm route and fishing is not a deviation from the normal route imo

[thin lake]

or sharks had a decent chance of dropping a 65+ reaver shark since they are fairly rare and require some specific setupd to get them to spawn often

[hazy nacelle]

also, why are gold and platinum picks faster than fossil pickaxe

[thin lake]

i mean

fossils are rocks

[crude geode]

Fossil stuff is bad

[thin lake]

gold and platinum is metal

[hazy nacelle]

in vanilla the fossil pick is faster

[thin lake]

yeah but who goes out of their way for that fossil gear in specific

it's like asking for a wooden pickaxe when you literally spawn with a copper one

[lucid marsh]

Would it be funny if I made a suggestion to release the update for Christmas

[thin lake]

that would be very funny yes

[hazy nacelle]

no? fossil pick is the same tier as gold and plat

[crude geode]

No

[hazy nacelle]

but who cares, wulfrum drill exists

[lucid marsh]

Too late

[boreal lichen]

release the update when it isnt finished, brilliance

[mystic sandal]

Genius suggestion

Shit why haven’t the devs just thought of that, just release the update sooner

[boreal lichen]

human ingenuity

[whole tundra]

A thousand exclamation marks

[craggy girder]

finish gue update innnn. what, 13 days

[crude geode]

something something insert the miyamato quote

[north oracle]

actually i'm going to delete this it was made for funny

don't do that

[boreal lichen]

cant believe fluffy hates fun, this is why you were sent to rebalance snapthorn

[gilded citrus]

Make qb needed for snapthorn

[crude geode]

Your mom’s needed for snapthorn

[north oracle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1295244891559034922/1365794443189289110/raindeerPuter2.gif

[obsidian nova]

The humble dozen of cnidrions:

[prisma sedge]

I feel like that just begs the question, who goes out of their way to fight cnidrions? They suck

[obsidian nova]

You don't

But you just kind of have to anyway

[tough hemlock]

that just doesn’t make sense, you already beat up Calamitas / did her entire fight, it would make more sense for an option talking to her to ‘spar’ (refight), rather than attacking her.

[mystic sandal]

There’s already an infinite resummon with urn, it’s just a funny easter egg I think

[worthy lintel]

fight stops if you drop at 1 hp

with a very small chance of an insult dropped in chat

[craggy girder]

if you get to 1 hp she specifically teleports to you and holds a fireball right above your head before ending the fight deathless

[tardy geyser]

From march of 2024 tho so I guess it can be resuggested?

[lucid marsh]

Sorry I thought it was funny

[obsidian nova]

5 thumbs up and nothing else

[indigo yacht]

@kind laurel your suggestion doesn't really have reasoning for why badge should be multiclass, I'd just add a couple lines about how "there aren't any multiclass offensive accessories on that tier" or whatever

it's just sorta saying "it's arbitrarily melee" but you could extend that argument in quite a few directions that aren't helpful

i think it's a good suggestion tho

[kind laurel]

Done

[agile owl]

Would it be possible to suggest that cryogen armor be smeltable with a hellforge instead of the adamantite forge? Since you have to beat at least two mechanical bosses to get adamantite? or is that a bad idea

[glass arch]

doesnt fix the underlying issue of you still need t3 hardmode ore to mine cryonic

[agile owl]

oh, right

nevermind lol

[hazy nacelle]

it is in fact not a pre mech ore

despite the boss being slated as pre mech

[fleet grotto]

i like this badge of bravery suggestion personally because it's around the time destroyer emblem becomes pretty obsolete outside of damage maxxing anyways

[novel belfry]

You could make Badge of Bravery multiclass if you use Destroyer Emblem as its material instead of Warrior Emblem

badge is pretty much just a melee destroyer emblem with +5 armor pen and +2% more crit

[indigo yacht]

cryo slimes only spawning after 2 mech bosses is the funniest thing in this mod

[half imp]

The boss is the same tier as the mechs, not pre mech

It's just that something has to be labeled first

All three mechs, cryogen, AS, and brimmy are all mostly interchangeable

[indigo yacht]

uh actually boss checklist put it first so you're wrong

[craggy girder]

some rando ass mod to the game said that plantera was first actually

[indigo yacht]

i was having a disagreement with a friend about some random shit and i was like comparing what we were saying to try and prove my point and then he goes "uh yeah but actually i saw a tier list video and it put my thing in a higher tier than your thing"

the disagreement ended there

[novel belfry]

🤨

[obsidian nova]

What about QS?

[rotund summit]

She doesn't drop dev vanity so i imagine they're intentionally designed pre-mech/mechalts

[obsidian nova]

Okay

[granite gulch]

I'm gonna preface this with the fact I've not really put much thought into this idea, but I find it surprising that there's no rogue equivalent for a lot of hardmode ore gear. Wouldn't it make sense to add the helmets of the hardmode ore for rogue?

[hazy nacelle]

summoner doesn't have them either

[indigo yacht]

^

i suggested adding a hallowed rogue helmet because there is a hallowed summoner helmet

i think a suggestion about another early hardmode rogue armor set would be fine though

[hazy nacelle]

hallowed is valid, Re-Logic did that for summoner as a step gap

[granite gulch]

Honestly I feel that summoner should have all the hardmode armor variants as well, but it's more important in calamity seeing how progression is changed.

Also goes for chlorophyte

[half imp]

I don't

every class having the same armor is very boring

at that point like, why even bother having different helmets

[granite gulch]

Thats true, but I really think having more variety overall in types of armor is pretty important. Especially those that aren't nessecarily direct upgrades of one another.

[glass arch]

its not more variety when everything is part of a set

[granite gulch]

What if instead of the ores then, there's still additional sidegrades to the armor around the same time? Optional sets that if you prefer them, you could go for that?

[half imp]

There's a lot of those for summer

Rogue needs more though for sure

[granite gulch]

I'm mainly talking rogue.

Yeah

[half imp]

rogue will get some in 2.1

ooa monk/Shinobi is going rogue

[granite gulch]

Honestly, my first instinct is to change the Monk/Shinobi armor-

im psychic

[half imp]

snail emoji

[granite gulch]

lol

[half imp]

I still don't love changing them rogue bc they had a good existing niche

But it is probably best

[drowsy plank]

to be fair their previous niche was as the fourth post golem melee set alongside beetle, hydro, and valhalla knight

[granite gulch]

Yeah, the original trio is pretty spoiled for choices.

[hazy nacelle]

nah, just melee is

[indigo yacht]

we should remove armor from the game

that would solve this dilemma

[keen zodiac]

true

[half imp]

no, it was actually as set that buffs whips

due to giving 20% melee speed alongside 60% summon dmg

[hazy nacelle]

but it was in the game before whips?

[half imp]

that doesn't mean it doesn't now have a niche as a whip armor lol

same way vanilla meteor armor has a niche with zapinator even though zapinator wasn't added until much, much later

Monk, Shinobi, and Obsidian are the only three armors really built for whip DPS

tiki and stardust both give range but not speed

[kind laurel]

Slightly off-topic but I am extremely excited Cal is fixing that

[drowsy plank]

i thought you guys were gonna ditch melee working on whips like fargos did or am i wrong

[half imp]

No

[kind laurel]

but anyways Hallowed Rogue is useless because Umbraphile

[half imp]

There's no plan to do that and it would be silly imo

[half imp]

Not really

Holy Protection means it's impossible for it to not be useful

I do actually support a hallowed rogue helmet

[kind laurel]

I meant it as "doesn't need to be made because there's already another on-tier rogue armor," sorry

Not saying it would be bad, just a bit of overlap

Could always rework Umbraphile though

Wait I just double checked it's post Cal Clone (sorry I don't play Rogue)
I think my point still stands that it'd be weird for two rogue armors with Hallowed Bars, but then again Turtle/Melee Chloro exist so it's probably fine

[half imp]

Umbraphile also really doesn't need to use hallowed bars

[half imp]

realistically the lack of rogue armor choice variety is a notable issue