suggestions-discussion

[frail fox]

Having multiple bullets on the same tier isn’t an issue if they have a usecase really

[thin lake]

oh wait they're gonna be swapped????

[keen zodiac]

yuh

[gaunt crystal]

also

[thin lake]

i mean i guess that makes sense

[keen zodiac]

not next update but eventually

[gaunt crystal]

probably worth mentioning

tier 4 abyss is getting new enemies too with my add-on

[oblique birch]

post-EoL Hyperius sounds good, now she will be unlocking a bow weapon and a bullet type

[gaunt crystal]

one that even drops a whip

[thin lake]

the hive mind tier did make the evil biome trek a bit bloated in preHM

but dragonfolly in their place is weird since you fight queen bee at the same time

[oblique birch]

Dragonfolly is becoming a sky boss

[thin lake]

ohhhhhh

[gaunt crystal]

it's supposed to be like the eidolic wail

[keen zodiac]

aerialite will finally make sense

[frail fox]

Wait were people serious about this I’m too tired to tell

[thin lake]

makes the slime god optional??? hallelujah

[keen zodiac]

i'm on board

[oblique birch]

😔 you weren't serious

that is devastating news for me

[gaunt crystal]

where the arrow fires a soundwave that lasts a brief time

[oblique birch]

oh nevermind I can't fucking multitask

[gilded citrus]

Slime god is optional?

[thin lake]

slime god is literally one of those fights where the song is absolutely goated but the fight itself is obnoxious

[oblique birch]

I misread that ye I mean that could be good

[gaunt crystal]

tbh I'm not too keen on this idea

[gilded citrus]

True

[oblique birch]

because like post-EoL is closer to Life Alloy than post-ML

[keen zodiac]

also good news
every single bossfight will be overhauled at some point

[thin lake]

i meant from partially optional to fully optional

[keen zodiac]

it's already fully optional

[gilded citrus]

The fuck does that mean

[thin lake]

if you wanted to get aerialite anyway

[oblique birch]

it's already fully optional...

what???

[thin lake]

or was that another boss

[drowsy plank]

you can shimmer ores.....

[keen zodiac]

slimegod has nothing to do with aerialite

[oblique birch]

Aerialite is post Evils 2

[gaunt crystal]

[oblique birch]

and ye, shimmer

[gilded citrus]

Evil 2 gives aerialite

[frail fox]

Post-slime god aerialite truth nuke

[thin lake]

i may be stupid

[gilded citrus]

Slimegod gives statigel

[oblique birch]

just shimmer Luminite down to everything lol

[gilded citrus]

Correct but who isnt

[keen zodiac]

cryonic 💔

[thin lake]

you

[keen zodiac]

no they're stupid gun

[gilded citrus]

The rot the rot

[oblique birch]

bro got cucked by SSO it's so sad

💔

[keen zodiac]

wait whar

[oblique birch]

Cryonic shimmer is part of SSO update

[thin lake]

oh good my entire tier list for master revengeance will be completely voided

[frail fox]

So glad it’s out soon then

[oblique birch]

XD

[keen zodiac]

oh
you made it sound like that was no longer happening

[oblique birch]

oops

[keen zodiac]

master ai changes are also dying iirc

[thin lake]

good

[gilded citrus]

Master rev is dying

[thin lake]

MR prime felt like waterboard torture

[keen zodiac]

true

[oblique birch]

bad AIs are dying

[keen zodiac]

thank you fabsol

[gilded citrus]

#calamity-update-talk message

[thin lake]

wait so how does it work then

[keen zodiac]

?

[gilded citrus]

I linked how it will be

[keen zodiac]

the chart says right there

[thin lake]

oh god

do the rage and adrenaline meters stay on always in master

[oblique birch]

no it's Rev+ exclusive

[thin lake]

so i'd have to tick death if i want to play master still

[gilded citrus]

How ai run when no electron

[oblique birch]

no?

[keen zodiac]

death will be like revengeance but for master

[oblique birch]

if you want Master just play on Master

what you need Rage and Adre for on Master

[thin lake]

just to use

[oblique birch]

then just play Rev

Master and Rev are alts

[thin lake]

so i played master rev for no reason then

[keen zodiac]

i'm confused

[gilded citrus]

It is being removed eventually

[oblique birch]

Master Rev won't be a thing

[gilded citrus]

Besides wdym no reason

[oblique birch]

finished my meal 😊

now I can focus 100% brain power in talking

[frail fox]

Hope the holographic meatloaf was good

[oblique birch]

😠

[thin lake]

as long as the exo mechs don't feel like straight ass it'll be a good update

[keen zodiac]

that's after sso

but Soon

[thin lake]

i love the concept but jesus it is just

hell

[gilded citrus]

Run in a line sim

[thin lake]

it's such a whiplash of contrast between them and Calamitas

cause she felt like absolute cinema

[gilded citrus]

Calamitas is one of if not the best boss in post ml imo
-# still can be improved a lot but not priority rn

[keen zodiac]

bc the brothers phase wasn't designed by fabsol

[thin lake]

providence also felt goated imo

and i adored how plantera was in MR

[gilded citrus]

Yeah thats the only other contender

[keen zodiac]

the only other boss not designed by fabsol

[oblique birch]

no?

[gilded citrus]

What?

[oblique birch]

Fabsol made Providence

[keen zodiac]

wait was it guardians

[oblique birch]

nope

[keen zodiac]

i don't rember

[oblique birch]

Hive Mind

it was originally made by Terry

[gilded citrus]

P sure its hivemind that was from terry but even then fabsol ship of theseusd them

[oblique birch]

but then slowly Fabsol absolutely ruined it

[coral carbon]

the nefarious ice queen ai

[oblique birch]

Dark Hearts 💔, they're so fucking ass

Skeletron Prime ahh hover AI

[thin lake]

MR Skeletron Prime would've been fine if this twoface bastard didn't summon the destroyer and twins in close proximity of HP thresholds

also spazmatism in MR can eat my ass

but anyway

those are like the only bosses i hated in the experience

[oblique birch]

bad AIs

[gilded citrus]

Fabsolian ai all the way through sso please save dog

[thin lake]

okay so i'm not insane for thinking DoG felt mid

i was afraid of that

[oblique birch]

you're kind

DoG is absolutely an atrocious fight

[gilded citrus]

Dog is fucking terrible

[thin lake]

worm AI making it sike my movements in the air making it a fucking coin toss to whether he ate my entire ass in one chomp felt really bad

[gilded citrus]

So bad they are making a temporary rework to make the boss good until the big rework

[coral carbon]

mfw boss is so bad it breaks the dev team rules

[gilded citrus]

[thin lake]

early HM in calamity was the only time i felt genuinely naked in terms of gear tho

cause in vanilla i always gunned it for the frost armor

and now it's locked behind two mech kills

[obsidian nova]

Honestly though I think the overriding ammo mechanic should work with all of the bullet types
So you wouldn't just be stuck with normal/tungsten

[obsidian nova]

Can we please add astral ore to that too? Like just make it so that luminite can only be shimmered into it after defeating Astrum Deus and it's all good
(Also maybe add suevite to it as well somewhere? Definitely not sea prisms though )

[grim tusk]

this would be better as an enchantment (minus the homing) which is funny cuz...
I said too much

[keen zodiac]

👁️ 👁️

[vocal wedge]

Ah no not another dev nuking.

[oblique birch]

No no continue saying

[half imp]

Expanding OOA to tier 4 would probably never happen

Eventually OOA might get rev+ AI though

[indigo yacht]

"very desirable to go for" lists three mediocre items

@weary plaza your suggestion is too long, the maximum body length is 1000 characters

its only 11 over though

[weary plaza]

eh everyone knows abt them tho so

it works out lol

[half imp]

Also

most of the super rare drops (10%s) are being made more common

[weary plaza]

o they are?

[half imp]

the ones that aren't classified as "legendaries" are more common in 2.1

Legendaries will be getting better obtainment methods than 10% chances

[weary plaza]

ic

[keen zodiac]

peak

[half imp]

finally... There are benefits to super rare drops too

[gilded citrus]

Such as

[half imp]

they prevent every run from being the same, and none of them are anywhere near required for general builde

half of them aren't even really good at all

[keen zodiac]

community

[half imp]

I should implement community's new obtainment method

[keen zodiac]

oh god please

i don't even know what it is but i'll do anything to make it not completely suck

[half imp]

:)

[glass arch]

not gonna lie i didnt read the after enough attempts part of the suggs title and almost said "malice mode 2"

[distant gyro]

i made the idea

so uhh

[plush flame]

i like pity mechanics for rare drops

[half imp]

the community new obtainment idea is pretty peak ngl (I already know some people will hate it)

[plush flame]

unobtainable 🙏

[distant gyro]

i love it but im biased

whatever

people already use a thousand qol mods

and its like infinitely better than whatever it is right now

[half imp]

yeah true

it's at minimum significantly more engaging

[distant gyro]

i feel like its gotta be 0.01% of people who would prefer the old method over the new one

[plush flame]

how can it be better than a 10% drop chance from a boss you can only summon by killing a rare enemy????

[distant gyro]

engaging with a non boss mechanic

[royal tapir]

What's that

[distant gyro]

player's worst nightmare

[half imp]

you're gonna scare the playerbase altix

goodness now my autocorrect is doing it

[distant gyro]

whaaat

there's more to this game than bosses???

heartbreaking

[errant wren]

impossible

calamity is a boss rush mod???

[royal tapir]

Thanks Atlix

[half imp]

it's ok I think this new obtainment method will bring a lot of happiness

[plush flame]

cal is a boss rush mod it even has 'boss rush' in it

[keen zodiac]

you should poil it
end the drought

i am not biased

[half imp]

Spoiler: it won't be a 10% drop from leviathan

[distant gyro]

think about it

ruminate, if you will

[vocal wedge]

Clearly it's for getting the Princess NPC.

[lucid marsh]

I have a guess

[vocal wedge]

Because you need to have a 'community' to get her.

[lucid marsh]

I was about to say that

Get every NPC

[vocal wedge]

So she sells it.

[keen zodiac]

post golem

[lucid marsh]

The last npc besides Calamitas is post golem, and the leviathan is also around there in progression, so it would actually be perfect

A princess from a foreign land giving her new champion a powerful artifact as a gift would also be fitting

[golden sonnet]

I've been playing through Necesse and tbh I've really enjoyed their drop system. Every boss drops 3/4 weapons at a 33%/25% chance, always guarenteeing one, and then they are removed from the pool until you have gotten each item once

so you only ever need to fight a boss 4 times max

I personally think the cycling through of all drops is the best solution for making boss drops less frustrating

[crude geode]

I mean aren’t boss drops shimmerable next update

[keen zodiac]

yuh

[golden sonnet]

Yes, I personally dislike that method as it removes refights from the game entirely, but I think the "remove from pool until all are dropped" method was mentioned at the time and people didn't love it? I don't recall

[distant gyro]

:)

think about the community's design

this is gonna be a dead giveaway but whatever

have some spoiler food

[idle dagger]

Would this suggestion increase the trophy and mask drop rates

[mystic sandal]

Empress?

[distant gyro]

no further elaboration

[frail fox]

Rainbow Slime

[crude geode]

Poop blocks

[keen zodiac]

the woke beam

[golden sonnet]

shimmer the shattered community

[royal tapir]

That's crazy when you think about it

[half imp]

it's ok I don't think they got the hint I dropped earlier we're safe

[keen zodiac]

well thanks to your message i just got it

[half imp]

sure mhm.sure

[tardy geyser]

community shrine?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[glass arch]

oh yeah i get it

[indigo yacht]

queen slime drop

obviously

10%

[novel belfry]

Community is now a mineable thing

Its placed somewhere around the world, though I place my bets on the underground hallow and the sky

[indigo yacht]

they should add fracking to calamity

[fleet grotto]

so like roxcalibur

[tardy geyser]

all draedon tech now runs on gas

[half imp]

Exo mechs step aside

[indigo yacht]

the mech bosses are already powered by souls, oil isnt that different

[half imp]

Get ready for diesel mechs

[mystic sandal]

maybe those lore items bosses drop exist and are very easy to crystallize

[errant wren]

name yourself "community" to obtain a fully powered community

[novel belfry]

Souls! Combine a metric ton of vanilla terraria souls and kabamm

[obsidian nova]

Wdym post golem
She can move in when all of the other (vanilla) NPCs are present, and the last one (cyborg) is post plantera

[obsidian nova]

Fargos

[indigo yacht]

??

[obsidian nova]

The scrapyard ensemble

[obsidian nova]

The explosives

From fargos

[indigo yacht]

to calamity

[obsidian nova]

Calamity fargos dlc

[indigo yacht]

to calamity

[last shard]

Honestly I disagree OOA needs this at all given it already has two major tier bumps and is useful throughout a pretty large swath of the game as it is.

Meanwhile if you really wanna look at events, look at Goblins, Pirates, and Frost Legion (Not Frost Moon, the snowman army)

[drowsy plank]

this convo already happened

[last shard]

...aw man

[drowsy plank]

lol

[gaunt crystal]

I mean

I wouldn't be opposed to OOA getting an upgrade but iirc that'll have legal issues

I'd love a post-ml martian invasion though

[indigo yacht]

legal issues?

[keen zodiac]

the entire thing is a dungeon defenders 2 crossover

[indigo yacht]

why would there be legal issues about that

calamity is like 50% references to other media

[half imp]

Yeah modding ooa should have no legal issues

if we were to add more DD content then ehh

[lucid marsh]

Replace the entire event with different enemies

No more dungeon defenders. Dryad and tavernkeep are no longer universe hoppers

[drowsy plank]

@balmy hound okay, so you should probably rephrase this to focus more on why we need early game calamitas lore focus rather than explaining an entire structure and how it should be implemented and how it works

because this is just a full outline of something to be added and doesnt really focus on why it is necessary which is far more important

[balmy hound]

i'll scrap it then

[grave zinc]

@scarlet musk - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add one or more launchers or launcher-adjacent weapons to pre-hardmode]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@frozen kite - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[# Calamitas and her Brothers should be given her own mask]

It has been voted upon by the devs, and although it did not receieve enough positive votes to pass, the final results were very close.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@hot condor - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rewrite Golem's Lore Item to give more emphasis on the Plague or effects after it is defeated.]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

not surprised

[half imp]

the Calamitas mask one likely would have passed in dev if it was just brothers only tbh

Although it would still need sprites and stuff so who knows if/when that would be done

[coral carbon]

how did the golem lore item one even get to dev

[half imp]

because people starred it idk

[novel belfry]

i think the real thing is that the plague should not start because of golems death

and im certain this is what the devs believe too so that thing is probably gonna change

[drowsy plank]

reb didnt flag it for some reason and it technically didnt violate any of the suggestion rules so i didnt flag it either

[thin lake]

the plague breaking out could very easily be a post-plantera thing instead

like the guardian of the jungle dying holding the one thing back from everything in there literally going to shit

[crude geode]

I don’t think tying more things to plantera is a good idea

Moons, three bosses, and two revamped biomes would be a lot of shit

[thin lake]

i wouldn't mind the plague being like the first thing you do post-ML then

you go back there for Dragonfolly anyhow, though that boss is gonna be moved to a different tier at some point

[gilded citrus]

Dragonfolly who is becoming a prehardmode sky boss

Oh

Im dumb

[thin lake]

did you really read only the first half of that message LOL

[gilded citrus]

Removing my eyes they werent being useful

Yes

[gilded citrus]

I think plague would intrude on providence stuff

AAAAAA

What

Why was that there

Huh

[thin lake]

wha

[gilded citrus]

I did not type AAAAAA in

[thin lake]

the thing i find weird about the profaned stuff is

them just being in the hallow

and making it way more dangerous than before

[gilded citrus]

Them being in hell and hallowed is remnants of old lore and hopefully being introduced to the eel pit soon

[thin lake]

not like it wasn't dangerous anyhow but it just feels off to go from pixies, unicorns and gastropods to

demon spawn

[gilded citrus]

Profaned enemies should only spawn when you are close to town npcs

[thin lake]

they've come to drag the guide back into hell

[crude geode]

The humble scorn eater annihilating all of my town NPCs

[gilded citrus]

Peak

[drowsy plank]

idk what u expected girl lmao

[scarlet musk]

but it was peak...,

[crude geode]

ranged will survive somehow, I'm sure

[frozen kite]

what does 🔄 mean

it’s not in the legend

[north oracle]

It has been voted upon by the devs, and although it did not receieve enough positive votes to pass, the final results were very close.

[frozen kite]

[golden sonnet]

see this

[drowsy plank]

@sour hare this is literally just evil2

also how would a boss help improve the biome's relevance? people would just build arenas there for the drops without the biome itself gaining any more relevance in terms of exploration

regardless, it's highly likely dragonfolly and evil2 will be switching places anyway

[north oracle]

i was going to say yea, if you want an evil boss later in the game i have great news

[sour hare]

Hm?

Dragon folly is gonna be prehardmode?

[glass arch]

yes

[vocal wedge]

You should really check about what future plans and proposed ideas are already in play before making a suggestion.

Also lore items aren't from Yharon.

[umbral gazelle]

also yharon didnt said that

[frozen kite]

guys when are we gonna have the evil2 equivalent for the hallow and jungle….

[frail fox]

EoL and PBG

[frozen kite]

[thin lake]

evil boss 2 is just hive mind and perforators

except they go from immediately after eater/brain into post-moon lord

but what the hell could you do for a strictly hardmode boss

the closest thing you could do is put the slime god there cause the slimes are corruption and crimson based but

[obsidian nova]

I mean, he's possibly being swapped with calclone so that would work pretty well

[gloomy umbra]

I really hope ALL retierings that are being considered happen. There's isn't any that I don't think is an improvement

[median scaffold]

CalClone in pre-HM feels weird, but... Maybe it'll work whenever it's reworked

[craggy girder]

see dragonfolly would make a lotta sense prehardmode

i heard talk of the evil2 being post ml where dragonfolly currently is

but the issue is current evil2 is a joke

so i cant envision it being radical awesomecore

[humble scarab]

obviously when they retier them, they will get reworked

[craggy girder]

well yea

for dragonfolly, i can see it
for ravager, i can see it

since their fights are actually kinda good

[gilded citrus]

Well yeah complete overhaul of the bosses would happen

[humble scarab]

and having 2 evil bosses in a row isnt great

[craggy girder]

but hivemind is a joke and perfs is boring

[gilded citrus]

Ravager
Good
What

[craggy girder]

comparatively

ravager has active plans

[gilded citrus]

Every boss has plans

[craggy girder]

and therefore i see the vision (because its there)

[gilded citrus]

Evil 2 also has plans?

[craggy girder]

hive mind as of right now has no public drawing release of it

stop putting words in my mouth

[humble scarab]

dont look at how bosses behave

look at the concept

[craggy girder]

bashing my head into the wall

[humble scarab]

and why they exist

[craggy girder]

ravager has known plans and drawn images

[humble scarab]

2 evil bosses in a row isnt good

[craggy girder]

hive mind for all i know is dogshit

[humble scarab]

and later you dont use those biomes

[gilded citrus]

We know that perferators will be hydra like

[humble scarab]

that doesnt mean it cant be fixed in any way

cuz it can

at most they can change the boss entirely

including sprite

[craggy girder]

thats not what im saying im saying i cannot see the current vision of the calamity devs

[humble scarab]

thats why look at if its resonable to move them

[craggy girder]

because theres no public info about the reworks intended

[humble scarab]

cuz you are looking at how the boss behave

[humble scarab]

?

[craggy girder]

ravager has drawing and art and storyboards for their attacks and redesign

hive mind has a few mentions

[gilded citrus]

There is a bit
Perforators will be based off the god of war and hivemind for god of dogma
Perforators will be draconic while hivemind will be more divine and godly

[craggy girder]

unless i am unaware, hivemind and perfs does not have visual imagery showing how they will look at this time

they have talk and the knowledge that they will be retiered

[gilded citrus]

Yeah nothing publicly shown

[craggy girder]

yes

correct

[oblique birch]

Just imagine it

Make up awesomeness in the head

Easy

[craggy girder]

shakes you

very hard

[gilded citrus]

Skill issue

[gloomy umbra]

Some people can't picture things in their head, maybe that's the problem with this guy

[obsidian nova]

So perfs will be like hydra and hive mind will be like that one brain boss /j

[tepid crown]

@sour hare this is already being done

[vocal wedge]

Again, you should check if a suggestion is already made/planned first.

[coral carbon]

Yeah, whips are already planned to be added in future Calamity updates

[gilded citrus]

@sour hare calamity will do this once summoner is nerfed enough that adding post monlord whips doesnt snap the balance so far in summoners favor

[plush flame]

if they add postml whips right now they'd have to powercreep the strongest weapon in the game

[drowsy plank]

1 MILLION INVALID SUGGESTIONS

https://tenor.com/view/victory-flawless-victory-jeb-bush-usa-winning-gif-5250710616046903759

[indigo yacht]

cant wait for my suggestions to get to dev server bc there's literally nothing else in voting

oh actually there is a second one

[echo leaf]

lmfao???? holy fuck I knew the difference was huge but this is beautiful

a single weapon cutting 97 seconds off a killtime is divine

[sleek sable]

the only flaw i see with that is that PHM will become even more empty than it already is (at least compared to HM)

the re-tier does make sense in any other given aspect though

[indigo yacht]

prehardmode is more content dense than hardmode is

[sleek sable]

oh wait

i didn’t consider how bloated HM is

[mellow coral]

the reason there arent any new whips is due to how whips work in calamity right

being multiplicative vs additive

but will this change with the next update?

[gilded citrus]

No

[gilded citrus]

P sure whips are op even with additive

[mellow coral]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-monkey-think-monkey-meme-ponder-monkey-idea-gif-6401133862108294696

how will you possibly make whips for every tier then

isnt the point of multiplicative whips that they couldnt bothers making any new ones for the last 5 years

by making the vanilla ones always relevant

[gilded citrus]

Ok misread your message but still additive itself still strong

Thats effectively -40 defence with kelaidoscope iirc
And summoner was balanced and existed before whips existed

Either way whips make summoner strong and need nerfs

[mellow coral]

im well aware whips havent been around since forever

[gilded citrus]

Summoner is not getting its big nerf next update anyways

[mellow coral]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-laughing-then-waving-his-hand-stop-gif-2605546899083438063

[clear igloo]

whats 9+10

[gilded citrus]

Balls

[errant wren]

surely we just make whips give 1 armor penetration instead of additive or multiplicative damage modifiers

[clear igloo]

you stupid

[gilded citrus]

Im on the internet what did you expect

[indigo yacht]

every time i go to this channel i lose more of my critical thinking skills

[lost terrace]

Knock off meowlegend

[indigo yacht]

ever more

[mellow coral]

is meowlegend a constant presence in every terraria related server or something

[frail mantle]

who

[mellow coral]

idk some ragebaiter

or something

[lost terrace]

They sound similar

That's why I said

It

I don't know man I'm telling a guy he's playing the game wrong in vc

[indigo yacht]

meow

[royal tapir]

Thanks for saying the line meowjak

[indigo yacht]

how do you do it

i swear you react to like 95% of my meows

[royal tapir]

0% success rate in servers that I'm not in

[errant wren]

there's obviously a secret bot that sends cit a bunch of dms until a reaction is added

[glass arch]

yes back in early 1.4 i saw a calamity speedkill of cultist using i think belladonnas (pre rework) that took about 15 seconds

[tepid crown]

yea

cuz old belladonna shot out a large number of projectiles each

and because cultist doesnt move its rlly easy for belladonna to catch up to them and shoot on top of him

[glass arch]

free flat damage is just as broken as free multiplicative damage its just generally more weapon dependant

[crude geode]

^

There’s a reason reaper tooth necklace was completely reworked

[tepid crown]

didnt it have like

100 ap?

[crude geode]

Yep

[glass arch]

whips being multiplicative trades off the downside of whips being completely fucked on lower base damage weapon in exchange for them being less fucked (but still fucked) on pretty much every weapon

[glass arch]

before the post moon lord scaling fix yeah

in current its 15 ap

[gaunt crystal]

do people just

not read the future content doc before suggesting stuff?

[crude geode]

It’s not in the suggestion guidelines to do so

[gaunt crystal]

it prolly should be

[vocal wedge]

I don't think it would help at this point.

[errant wren]

we are talking about cal players, after all

[serene tendon]

"I CAN'T READ I'M A [Calamity] FAN!"

[grim tusk]

no, a dedicated summoner update will be far later due to all of the summoner changes vanilla 1.4.5 is bringing

[mellow coral]

Makes sense

[grim tusk]

whip designing was going well last time i was working

so we have that

me when good progress is being done balancing
then:
"we're adding summoner reforges"

restart numero 6

[crude geode]

better or worse restart number than rogue

[grim tusk]

worse

[crude geode]

Damn

[plain ocean]

More choirs into the ost!!!

[errant wren]

is

is that a request?

[mystic sandal]

Unfortunately it’s a bit hard to add choirs to existing boss themes when a lot of music is from artists (mostly Dokuro) who’re no longer working on calamity

I’m assuming they mean boss because choirs elsewhere, wouldn’t really make sense?

And replacing a dokuro theme, no matter how good the replacement is, is probably never happening ever

[drowsy plank]

idk if we got like, fuckin chrisopher larkin or something doing tracks for calamity i could see it, but the point is that the only way any dokuro tracks would get replaced is if someone of equal talent made one and the boss had changed to much to the point that the original track just did not fit anymore

[errant wren]

the fricking uh

[unkempt pawn]

larkins style is too different imo for calamity tho, even if he where to add choirs only

[errant wren]

what if we made alt tracks for no reason and they were all made by me and they all sucked

[unkempt pawn]

do it

make daddy rpud

[tardy geyser]

we already have at least 3 tracks with choirs, it doesnt need to be dark souls

[errant wren]

now i don't want to

[drowsy plank]

i blanked on other composers names

i think you got my point tho

[unkempt pawn]

uh, staind brutal calamity, the leviathan and anahita themes, uh and what?

[unkempt pawn]

i think so

[tardy geyser]

void and return to slime. I didnt count anahita singing, not really a choir if its solo

[unkempt pawn]

alr

[tardy geyser]

wait open frenzy too

[vocal moth]

Noble winters with 2 horrible suggestions

[indigo yacht]

that's not constructive criticism

[vocal wedge]

The only track I can think of that really goes against what the current plans go for is Stained, Brutal Calamity (lyrics contradict plot).
But who would want to replace Stained, Brutal Calamity.
And what lunatic would willingly choose to subject themselves to making a replacement for it.

[sour hare]

Yea so I’ll just not make suggestions anymore then

[vocal wedge]

Or you could read the guidelines and ask about what the current plans are.

[vocal moth]

exactly

im just hating to hate listen to water

they aint adding more bosses and whips be coming someday

[vocal wedge]

Goozma is coming trust.

[frail mantle]

you should stop doing that

😁

[vocal wedge]

No, listen to me, trust!

[frail mantle]

this channel already has a reputation for needless hostility when a suggestion breaks the rules you don't need to make it worse

[sour hare]

I’m used to getting yelled at by now

[frail mantle]

you really should not be

[sour hare]

Although wishful thinking, it would be nice for someone to either explain the guidelines to me or just refer me to where I can read it myself rather than just being sarcastic assholes

[frail mantle]

people on the internet should learn how to convey criticism without being overly harsh or blunt

[vocal wedge]

They are pinned.

[errant wren]

the notorious pins

[vocal wedge]

And it is listed in the channels description, which tells you to read them first.

[errant wren]

there is also a big message at the top of #suggestions-posting that has the link to the general rules of suggesting

[glass arch]

i would say we might need to rename the channels to suggestions-posting-read-pins and suggestions-discussion-read-pins but ive seen how bug reports ended up

[vocal moth]

i agree

its a problem

[errant wren]

we obviously add "read pins" to the category name

-# that probably wouldn't change anything either...

[glass arch]

hi raesh how goes bug reports

i presume poorly based off the hage

[golden sonnet]

Not that bad tbh, I do it because I enjoy helping people and finding weird issues. It is very true that no one reads the pins tho

[sour hare]

And again, just referring me to it would help, I’ve pretty much had people be rude to me in every place I try to talk in this server

It’s really off putting

[errant wren]

every non-mod user has to take and pass a test every few months in order to be allowed to suggest

[sour hare]

Really?

[frail mantle]

No

It is not that serious

Rather, it shouldn’t be

[errant wren]

yeah no obviously not

that's why i crossed it out

[glass arch]

every non-mod user has to take and pass a test every few months in order to be allowed to suggest i think this is a good idea and thats why im not crossing it out

[frail mantle]

At worst it should be telling a person who made an invalid suggestion “hey this breaks this one rule in the guidelines” and that’s the end of it

[golden sonnet]

the exclaims exist for a reason, invalid suggestions will never get through, we have a whole channel just to filter them. People really should just not comment on a suggestion at all unless they are helping explain why a suggestion is invalid or how it could be improved.

[errant wren]

can we react this individual

[glass arch]

no

[errant wren]

i saw that was that you raesh

[frail mantle]

This still applies

[novel belfry]

WHY IS HE NOT LOADING

WHY IS HE EVEN BIGGER WHEN I COPY IT

[vocal moth]

a fun fact is During the jim crow era they used to do literacy tests for voting to stop black people from voting So what your doing is stopping every melee glazer from suggesting

[novel belfry]

HERE

anyhow dont be rude to newcomers or else i'll feed you to this guy.

[vocal moth]

someone get bro a chiropractor

[glass arch]

we need to ban amidiasposting its gone too far

[errant wren]

i am disturbed

[novel belfry]

we are not playing a difficult military pvp game that demands the best out of everyone

[glass arch]

no sorry we are

[novel belfry]

that happens to be on roblox

[errant wren]

also yes i am well aware of this nation's history and i do not look back fondly on those times

[novel belfry]

that is a very unfun fact

so to lighten the mood heres a seal

[glass arch]

suggdisc stay on topic challenge level impossible or something

[errant wren]

chat let's agree to not be evil

[vocal wedge]

Google once said that...

[novel belfry]

~~ suggdisc ~~ #calamity-update-talk stay on topic challenge level impossible or something

[sour hare]

Again I’ll just save the local keyboard warriors the trouble and never suggest shit again

[vocal wedge]

There's no need to be rude.

[sour hare]

You were rude to me!

[frail mantle]

You don’t need to do that people just need to remember that this shit is not that serious

[errant wren]

i mean you can but i do agree that you should check out the suggs doc

[sour hare]

Pretty much every question I ask you, you get snippy with me or are just plain out rude, like when I was trying to learn calamity lore, it made you sound super condescending and made me regret asking about anything

[glass arch]

A couple of people being rude to one individual does not in turn give that individual the right to be rude to an even larger group. Be better than those that you dislike.

[vocal wedge]

What? That was never my intention. I am sorry if my messages came across as hostile.

[errant wren]

water is just using proper writing etiquette like a nerd
-# i say as if i've never done that

[vocal wedge]

I will be swapping your teeth and eyeballs.

[errant wren]

if i had a nickel for every time today someone threatened me with that, i'd have one nickel

[crude geode]

I've noticed that the longer one spends in this channel, the more likely it is that they get frustrated with invalid suggestions, and it honestly can lead to more toxicity from discussers than suggestors at times

Most of the time people are fine here, it's just that sarcasm and dry wit can come across as more spiteful of the suggestor than valid critiquing of the suggestion

[errant wren]

whenever i do see a sugg come in and try to add commentary, i do try to at least help a bit

but like nah no i don't

really just depends on my mood

[vocal wedge]

MR. BEAST!?

[errant wren]

mods can we explode this guy

[glass arch]

no its grelon grusk

[errant wren]

thanks

[crude geode]

mods can we explode this girl

[vocal wedge]

Don't be silly, women aren't real.

[errant wren]

what the hell am i then

[vocal wedge]

Ok, so one thing to note, you CAN get Black Ink without fighting Giant Squids.

However.

SQUIDS HAVE SUCH A LOW SPAWN RATE IN CALAMITY WHAT THE HELL!?

I agree, please implement this.

[errant wren]

it is a tremendously stupid item to get, yes.

i agree

[crude geode]

something something calamity fix every vanilla problem
with that said, calamity does make the problem worse and qol is a part of cal so let's go

[north oracle]

not a bad suggestion, still proposing an exact method to fix it instead of just presenting the issue

[errant wren]

oh yeah true

[vocal wedge]

No seriously, why are they so rare.
I played Mod of Redemption and found like ten.
And when I played Calamity I was there for ages trying to find any.

[errant wren]

yeah just generalize the idea of making black ink easier to get in larger quantities

[frail fox]

Is there not like

The normal squid enemy

[distant gyro]

🦑

[vocal wedge]

Also, as others have stated, you can't tell the devs exactly what to do.

[vocal wedge]

Yes.

It is exceedingly rare in Calamity.

[errant wren]

yes we have addressed this

[sour hare]

I’m not trying to

[north oracle]

@sour hare Please just present the problem you would like solved (making black ink easier to get) and why it's an issue, without suggesting a specific method for resolving the problem. If the suggestion passes the devs will decide on a solution for the issue.

[distant gyro]

it is exceedingly rare. period.

[hollow idol]

doesnt the ocean have an even rarer dye enemy
that doesnt have a calamity miniboss that also dropes the dye

(the snails)

[errant wren]

now that you mention it

yeah probably

[distant gyro]

one of the lifeform analyzer enemies in the ocean

[north oracle]

what if we added an even rarer critter that drops the dye

[crude geode]

there's a lot of dye drops that are complete ass

[distant gyro]

sea snails is legendary status

[frail fox]

Solution:
make giant squids drop it too (already getting ink bomb next update)
make scavengers trade it (future content oops)

[distant gyro]

known for fucking up sea shell in old cal

and also drops purple mucus i guess.

[glass arch]

purple mucus yeah from sea snails

[sour hare]

I’ll redo my suggestion tomorrow

[errant wren]

ok so what i'm gathering is the problem being spawn rates for the ocean dye enemies being stinky doodoo

[sour hare]

Mhm

[frail fox]

500 jellyfish and crab

[golden sonnet]

Billions must jellyfish and crab

[crude geode]

and jellyfish necklace is still impossible to get from them

[errant wren]

[golden sonnet]

never had an issue with that tbh

[distant gyro]

jellyfish necklace is not bad at all

[errant wren]

luck issue

[distant gyro]

is that a crazy assessment

[crude geode]

truly

[frail fox]

1 zerg potion the end

[distant gyro]

i feel like i get them every 5 minutes with upped spawn rates

[crude geode]

zerg potion when the fix is a bandaid

byeah it's probably just anecdotal

[distant gyro]

dont tell anyone i nerfed zerg potion

[errant wren]

sharks are also fairly difficult t- that is funny as hell

[crude geode]

beautiful

[errant wren]

anyways, i have had a bit of trouble finding sharks but that could also be a me issue

[glass arch]

if it was not for mirage jellies having a 10% then yes

[frail fox]

Doze-type suggestion

[crude geode]

ok I'm not stupid then it is a crazy drop rate lmao

[glass arch]

a 1% drop feels exceedingly low when there arent that many of said enemy spawning

[north oracle]

damn what happened to the subclass expansions don't

huh

[crude geode]

dart based weaponry, that's what

but really there has been a lot

[glass arch]

charged dart blaster returns

[vocal wedge]

Seraph also means angel.

[golden sonnet]

ok but there are 8 billion jellies

[vocal wedge]

It's a moot point really.

[errant wren]

#suggestions-posting message i think they got renamed already but i may be hallucinating

[distant gyro]

pink jellyfish is all that the ocean spawns

[errant wren]

no nvm

[thin lake]

alternative ranged weaponry gradually being phased out as you go past moon lord made me :(

[errant wren]

was hallucinating

[distant gyro]

like im likely to get a jellyfish than enough shark fins

[novel belfry]

actually hang on

[distant gyro]

*necklace

[half imp]

As for this seraph tracers one

[vocal wedge]

Now, if they were called Cherub Tracers, I'd agree with you.

[half imp]

referencing celestial tracers right after we've announced they're being renamed

not a great point to argue, but it's also a future content issue

[glass arch]

no there are like 700 different ocean enemies ive farmed for like an hour and a half in the ocean with death blood moon zerg and battle potion all up and only ever got one

[novel belfry]

thats actually what prompted this

[north oracle]

technically mentioning it would be using future content in a sugg

[half imp]

yeah

[north oracle]

so like you do have to ignore it, but still lol

[novel belfry]

i demand the seraph tracers feel more complete

and final

[half imp]

it's a bit of a lose lose

however it would be best to have a reason besides "celestial sounds cooler" because celestial is being changed

[vocal wedge]

And there is little reason too. Both mean the same thing.

[half imp]

so when it gets to dev the one reason backing it up falls flat on its face

[vocal wedge]

Actually, I've checked.

The difference is Seraphim is plural.

Seraph is singular.

[half imp]

although I disagree with the rename to begin with, it would be like renaming Angel Treads to Angels Treads (not Angel's Treads - that would be Seraph's Tracers)

yeah

[novel belfry]

hmm

fair

[distant gyro]

personalised copy

[novel belfry]

hang on

[distant gyro]

this is the part someone pulls out Moon's Walker

[thin lake]

personalized copy of terraria influences your luck based on torch luck

[half imp]

Seraph also fits better with the short names of moon and void

[vocal wedge]

So, exactly as Doze said, it'd be like renaming Angel to Angels.
Quite literally, even. Seraphim are angels.

[half imp]

in the new rename

[crude geode]

every copy of calamity is personalized to screw over whatever the player wants in particular

[distant gyro]

✅

[thin lake]

"y'all got any good worm bosses?"
"we only got desert scourge"

[crude geode]

something something get fixed be like

[half imp]

but this is future content reasoning and therefore doesn't really fit in a suggestion

[glass arch]

moon void and noxus tracers

[novel belfry]

Increase the chances and amount of Black Ink dropped from the Colossal Squid

As the biggest squid of them all in the world of Calamity, it seems reasonable that this squid should be droping far more black ink than the tiniest example, yet all it drops is 3-5 Ink. I should be expecting 10 ink at minimum.

[half imp]

Xeroc's Ones

[novel belfry]

Xeroc's Sandals

[glass arch]

Auric Sole of Zeratros

[vocal wedge]

Noxus Legs and Xeroc Torso, and the final part, Yharim Hat.

[errant wren]

the Xeroc Airs

[crude geode]

'average worm boss has 20 reworks'
incorrect. average worm boss has 2 reworks.
desert rework and devourer of reworks, each with 2,000 reworks, are outliers and should not have been counted

[thin lake]

Draedon's Choice Auric Sole of Zeratros Jordans

[distant gyro]

uhhh

[novel belfry]

ASTRUM DEUS??????????????

[distant gyro]

consider it done

[novel belfry]

WGAT

[errant wren]

lmao

[crude geode]

lol

[half imp]

Seraph Tracers is specifically meant to mirror Angel Treads (at least, that's why I didn't rename it with the others)- Angel Treads are the ultimate traditional running boots, and Seraph Tracers (seraph being a type of angel) is the ultimate winged running boots

[glass arch]

citfixing before it even gets to posting that might be a new record for a citfix

[north oracle]

good sugg

[half imp]

if you disable the wings it becomes Seraph Treads, even

[crude geode]

woah

[vocal wedge]

Like it's the highest tier or something.

[thin lake]

Seraph Boots if you want to be pedantic and name them after Terraspark Boots

[half imp]

No

[crude geode]

No

[half imp]

Moon Boots is named after terraspark

[thin lake]

do they let me jump high

[half imp]

no they're just wingless Moon Walkers

[novel belfry]

oh

i get it now

[thin lake]

[half imp]

Void Kicks (wingless Void Striders) is literally just named bc it sounded cool

At least for why we chose kicks

[thin lake]

them pumped up kicks

[half imp]

and then Seraph Treads was to mirror Angel Treads

[glass arch]

seraphs should be Auric Soles

[half imp]

I hate this I hate this

[novel belfry]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTT

[half imp]

Why is this peak

[errant wren]

explode

[half imp]

Auric Soles kinda pops off grahh

[thin lake]

you should k-

[glass arch]

waiter waiter more grelon grusk spam

[crude geode]

it kinda does ngl

[errant wren]

thanks

[thin lake]

when the trillionaire grifter wants even more money for his puffed chest cavity

[glass arch]

its not even him its people grifting off him

[errant wren]

i still hate that thing regardless (i couldn't call that thing a human that deserves respect)

[crude geode]

anyways the dart suggestion just. disregards flamethrowers and rocket launchers

[errant wren]

true

[novel belfry]

its probs some other guy

an actual parasite

slobbering at another

[fleet grotto]

i think theres a notable difference

[errant wren]

there's like, 5 flamethrowers??

[thin lake]

aren't there a handful of good flamethrowers and launchers postML

[errant wren]

post-ml that is

[glass arch]

petition to readd charged dart blaster

[thin lake]

yeah

[vocal wedge]

Implying a certain musky individual isn't a parasite.

[fleet grotto]

[novel belfry]

@vocal wedge .

[crude geode]

that's what I mean. there is variety post ml, you don't need to shove a fifth subclass in

[thin lake]

there's not a single dart weapon postML unless i missed something

[novel belfry]

READING COMPREHENSION MISSING? FROM SUGESTIOON???

[distant gyro]

theres like 4 dart weapons

blow blow dart dart

[half imp]

Dart suggestion is a great idea but it reads a lot like "add this because I want it"

[errant wren]

ok ok let's uh

[crude geode]

[half imp]

might be good to trim it down to just include the reason why it should be added

[distant gyro]

it stops with the rifle

[thin lake]

like i said i am really biased LMAO

ye dw

[distant gyro]

same goes for the ammo too

[errant wren]

how many non- bow/gun ranged weapons exist in post-ml

[half imp]

tbh I love darts too

[fleet grotto]

i dont even think part of a reason is subclass expansion

[frail fox]

Post-ml needs more ranger weapons with random bullshit ammo like candy corn rifle and nail gun

[fleet grotto]

i think like

[distant gyro]

it stops with crystal/ichor/cursed

[half imp]

They're the most interesting ranged weapon ammo type

[fleet grotto]

theres so little actual content in both vanilla and calamity

[glass arch]

cal doesnt really need to add more to the dart weapon roster
i agree that darts are underutilized but also dart gun but Bigger and Deals More Damage isnt exactly great design

[half imp]

Besides like sandgun

[distant gyro]

SDOMG is destined

[crude geode]

silk shot when

[fleet grotto]

its less of a subclass because its literally bows but they look like guns

[half imp]

no?

[fleet grotto]

im not being literal

[frail fox]

Post-ml spider variant

[half imp]

dart is actually larger of a subclass than flamethrower in vanilla!!

[distant gyro]

sorry youre only getting the architect variant

[glass arch]

like if there were to be more dart weapons i would expect there to be more than just new weapons, i would expect new darts as well, which is a whole other beast

[errant wren]

let's just replace post-dog moons with upgrades to the weapons

[half imp]

there will probably be at least one dart weapon

[fleet grotto]

and look what calamity did!!!!

[half imp]

i have considered adding shadowspec dart as a dev item for myself

that just makes dart rifle boss rush viable

[crude geode]

funny

[north oracle]

SHADOWSPEC DART

[errant wren]

what would it do tho

[half imp]

I haven't decided

[distant gyro]

in the past i used to be like some guns should just shoot dart

[fleet grotto]

make dart rifle boss rush viable

[distant gyro]

shredder with darts would be so funny

[frail fox]

Splits like elemental lance

[half imp]

honestly we do not use enough ammo

WHY does the stynger upgrade not use stynger bolts

It's dumb

[frail fox]

True

[crude geode]

candy corn rifle upgrade that shoots those weird little pumpkin things

[distant gyro]

the only novel ammo we use somehow are stars and...

coins.

[errant wren]

pre- or post-fix

ping sorry

[half imp]

Sand!

[glass arch]

darts are cool and all but ultimately the whole identity of them comes down to the darts rather than weapons themselves

[half imp]

sandstorm exists!!

[distant gyro]

its not real it doesnt spawn sand

[frail fox]

Pre

[half imp]

yeah

that's fine

[errant wren]

hell yeah

[half imp]

another dart weapon allowing using the fun zany darts at more tiers would be nice

[novel belfry]

TO BE FAIR, the darts in question are probably the most interesting ammo on average

[frail fox]

The two worst ones! (To obtain)

[crude geode]

you could argue rocket launchers try to do this.
it would be an uphill battle but you could

[half imp]

I did make sand funny too in 2.1

the calamity sands all do different things because I felt like it

[crude geode]

awesome

[glass arch]

so the issue with "add more dart weapons" is that doing that isnt actually an expansion to the class in the way it would be for... every other ranged subclass

[novel belfry]

3 of the 5 darts are genuinely incredibly interesting

[thin lake]

and i'll be real this selection is perfect so i literally don't mind if future darts in Calamity are just straight upgrades

[novel belfry]

and all of them could have uses

[half imp]

like astral sand splits into 3? more homing sand balls once it hits an enemy

[north oracle]

add more coin guns ✊ it deserves to be a real subclass

[half imp]

4*

[novel belfry]

wait, which one

[half imp]

Poison Dart does 30-60 seconds of poison, making it interesting for building debuff builds

[crude geode]

fluffy you argue for the weirdest shit but it's always peak

[novel belfry]

oh

[errant wren]

coin slingshot pre-hm

[distant gyro]

monkey dart repurposed to be dart ammo

[half imp]

YES

[distant gyro]

sorry thats too silly

[crude geode]

no you're cooking

[north oracle]

thank you i think?

[half imp]

bring back monkey dart

[glass arch]

fluffy when is the bast offense getting added

[half imp]

once we rework stealth

I want to revive monkey dart

[novel belfry]

monkey dart needs to be brought back with the stipulation that it gets a super monkey upgrade

[north oracle]

@ fryzahh (i think fry's been pretty busy recently lol)

[half imp]

Focus Flurry in question

[thin lake]

there's Poison focused on raw damage, Cursed which applies cursed flame and a downwards larpa ahh curtain of fire, Crystal which ping pongs between enemies and destroys rooms, and Ichor darts which burst into four projectiles after a certain period and apply Ichor, so there's legit so much potential for more dart gimmicks

[half imp]

I did also buff crystal darts considerably recently

I made them much faster

[novel belfry]

im getting minorly scared please DONT tell me stealth strikes as a whole are gone in favor of focus flurries

[glass arch]

no

they arent

[half imp]

no just some weapons

monkey darts would be perfect for it

[glass arch]

focus flurries are just stealth strikes but Fast or something iirc

[tardy geyser]

Fast attacking rogue weapons get focus flurries Id guess

[glass arch]

i think executioners blade is an example of something that would be considered a focus flurry no?

[half imp]

I think it's probably very case by case

[frail fox]

The weapons with fundamentally bad stealth strikes becoming flurries (I mean a lot are bad but like mycoroot)

[thin lake]

Auric Darts could mark enemies with like a electric effect and ones affected close together could arc electric damage as a severe DoT, Cosmos Darts (Cosmilite) could teleport to a position near an enemy within range at different angles like how the Devourer warps in and out of the fight, etc.

[half imp]

auric and cosmilite make no sense for darts

Darts are all weird materials

Lumenyl is a dart type material

[crude geode]

void darts

[half imp]

or reaper teeth

[thin lake]

so stuff like Effulgent Feathers

[half imp]

Yes

Or nightmare fuel

[novel belfry]

if dragonfolly was still staying in post-ml i'd suggest that for a material for darts

[distant gyro]

tarragon throwing dart ignore that its dying

[errant wren]

planty mush darts

[novel belfry]

although that could still work

[thin lake]

acid darts

[half imp]

I have thought about reaper tooth darts a few times

[novel belfry]

yharon soul fragment

[tardy geyser]

phantom dart

[half imp]

I have also thought about YSF darts yes

[errant wren]

plagueplate darts

[half imp]

And ASE darts

[distant gyro]

polter literally shoots darts its not far fetched

[glass arch]

ruinous dart

[thin lake]

ashes of annihilation? :)

[crude geode]

no

[glass arch]

no

[thin lake]

:(

[errant wren]

smooth brimstone crag darts

[half imp]

anyway this makes me wanna make shadowspec dart again

consumable shadowspec item is funny

[thin lake]

crystal darts blow those moss hornets shit smoove off

[glass arch]

LAB SEEKING MECHANISM DART

[crude geode]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-writing-fire-his-writing-is-fire-is-this-fire-hold-up-gif-15400153686296022809

[half imp]

WAIT PEAK

Green Lab Seeking Dart

[crude geode]

finally something to do with them when they're done

[glass arch]

it has homing but only when you're outside of the jungle

[half imp]

They automatically home in towards the lab of choice after being fired and traveling enough

That would be so funny

[thin lake]

they just blast binary into an enemy and it edges their anuerysm

[errant wren]

lab seeking darts where they go through blocks but only towards their respective labs

[half imp]

Suspicious Scrap dart

[crude geode]

don't we have gel darts

[novel belfry]

thats great

[distant gyro]

that gave me an idea

[thin lake]

you could also make darts out of the pillar fragments

[half imp]

stardart fragment

[glass arch]

soldart fragment

[tardy geyser]

Revive charged dart blaster

[half imp]

dartex fragment

[half imp]

This has been on my mind for a while

I have an idea for it sort of

[thin lake]

nebudart fragment

[half imp]

but not enough

[errant wren]

actually being real, what if there was a draedon arsenal item that was darts based on how much charge you have left on it (i know charge sucks but hear me out)

[novel belfry]

unrelated but make Frosty Flare useable by flares instead

[glass arch]

dartula fragment

[novel belfry]

[half imp]

It still uses rogue dmg and stealth it just needs a flare gun to fire

[glass arch]

draedon power cell dart

[novel belfry]

HOLD UP, IS THIS FROSTFIRE

[errant wren]

that works better than my idea actually

[crude geode]

miracle matter dart

[glass arch]

dont even bother with the charge aspect its just shooting the power cell

[thin lake]

pole warper darts

[tardy geyser]

a dart that you have to fish for would be neat

[errant wren]

random amount too

[glass arch]

fish dart or as i like to call it fart

[crude geode]

[errant wren]

lot of dart talk...

[novel belfry]

omega amidias dart

[crude geode]

dalk, as some would call it

[thin lake]

fuck i used all of my suggestion opportunities i should've made a suggestion that makes a better whoopee cushion that makes a fart reverb that can be heard across the world in multiplayer

[glass arch]

dalk alk

[errant wren]

doze please make darts your dev item it would be so peak 🙏

[worthy lintel]

he has to unfuck darts first

thats the singular condition to hope seeing more dart weapons live

[half imp]

it should be fine

I don't think they're actually as absurd bad as people think

Well they are absurd but I don't think the difference is that huge between the 3 hardmode ones

especially now that I made crystal Actually Hit Stuff

[indigo yacht]

@novel belfry babes they're all* being renamed

also i personally disagree i think seraphim tracers sounds silly

[novel belfry]

757 - Renamed Celestial Tracers to Moon Walkers and Elysian Tracers to Void Striders.

looks like its JUST those earlier two

[drowsy plank]

yeah seraph tracers are keeping the name

[indigo yacht]

the non wing variants also have a different name, but it's just seraph treads

anyways you used celestial tracers as an example

[north oracle]

please see the above conversation about how mentioning the changtelogs would be referencing future content

[indigo yacht]

i am well aware

but every time someone makes a suggestion that vaguely regards something that's already been changed it gets brought up

for obvious reasons

[novel belfry]

but thats not what's happening here

seraph doesnt seem to be changed rn

and since i cant for some reason mention future changes well

i have to do what i have to do

[plush flame]

seraphim is plural, seraph is singular

[craggy girder]

i think noble winters should think before they say words

[craggy girder]

besides, its of seraph quality, not of multiple seraphim usage

[novel belfry]

what if the item was of seraphim quality, as in multiple seraphim approve of this item and not just one of them

[crude geode]

are we really going to be this toxic

[oblique birch]

there's your Seraphim

that's enough

I think

[novel belfry]

YO

[grizzled dome]

I just want the tarragon armor set to be renamed (I suggested this, but it got rejected, and they're being reworked away anyway)

[craggy girder]

"toxic" his last three suggestions have been ! reacted multiple times

[crude geode]

Being this hostile to someone new to making suggestions and insulting them is being toxic, yes. It’s why we have this pinned. Emphasizing that a suggestion is wrong hours after the fact is not helping anyone.

[thin lake]

you could also rework the ichor ones because they feel

shit

like i'd rather use the golden shower if i wanted to easily apply ichor

[tired haven]

Ichor darts are best for their delayed shotgun effect, not ichor application

[thin lake]

yeah but still, crystals can hit more times than ichor

[tired haven]

6 times in the crowds vs 4 against basically anything seems like a fair sidegrade

There is more nuances to this ofc but that's what makes both dart types interesting enough

[thin lake]

if i were to expand on the dart types though, i'd probably make a direct upgrade to poison darts while making partial replacements/upgrades to the three hardmode ones for post-ML

and a couple brand new ones

holy flame dart to supersede cursed, reaper teeth to replace ichor, and effulgent feather to replace ichor

and for new ones, maybe a nanite dart for starters with possible pierce

necroplasm darts that home in on enemies and phase through tiles with a somewhat lower damage output

actually plague darts would be a perfect direct upgrade since it's post-golem

low damage but very good at stacking plague

[vestal crater]

Damn noble winters are 3 for 3 of having exclamation marked suggestions

[north oracle]

Boop

[frail mantle]

I think you should think before you say words because there is genuinely negative reason to be this mean to someone simply making a suggestion

[craggy girder]

i did not intend for this to be rude

i intended this genuinely

my phrasing, looking back, was poor

[frail mantle]

They’ve already been beaten over the head over this, that’s the whole reason the suggestions are exclaimed

[craggy girder]

yes i am now aware of this

i fumbled the bag as people would say and thats on me

my apologies noble winters

also yes, the irony is immense

[lost terrace]

You are right

Actually no

[vocal moth]

you should make ur dev item a mage item because i like mage and its criminal how uncreative they get with the mage items

did i mention i like mage