suggestions-discussion

[thorn talon]

alright i modified it a bit making sure it's way shorter

and only listing the important stuff like you advised me to

[half imp]

It still might be too long tbh I'm not sure

[thorn talon]

should i send it here just for some time to check if it's too long?

[half imp]

Honestly the entire first sentence can probably be cut since it's just repeating the title basically

[errant wren]

1122 characters total

[half imp]

cutting the first sentence would fix that

[thorn talon]

should i delete the first suggestion i sent?

[errant wren]

no, you can edit

it might take a little bit for the reaction to be taken off though

or maybe not, idk i don't work here

[thorn talon]

alright

[glass arch]

depends if the bot is online or not

so really its a 50/50

[thorn talon]

hope it is online

[errant wren]

suggbot quantum superposition

[golden sonnet]

(it is not)

[thorn talon]

why did it immediately react to my message then?

wait it removed the reaction

[errant wren]

your sugg killed suggbot

[thorn talon]

raesh you lied it is online

[golden sonnet]

it wasn;t when i said that

lmao

it is now

[thorn talon]

loll

i'm so lucky

[last shard]

Hi, so lucky!

I'm Patches, how are you today?

[olive saddle]

[scarlet musk]

do you think this suggestion will make to devs

[errant wren]

i'd say it has a nonzero chance

[crude geode]

Bot might have been dead when it was supposed to send suggs bc the last ones I see sent were like. Four weeks ago.

@inland saddle pretty sure the bot has been slacking on sending suggs to dev, there’s been at least two periods where it’s failed to send anything. Probably because it’s been down

[inland saddle]

oh yeah it missed them for 10/17

there were none for 10/24

I'll go through in a bit

Discord issues have been slowly getting better by me just brute forcing my way through server errors

[crude geode]

Very fair, ty for your work

[errant wren]

discord just really hates nycro for some reason

[inland saddle]

I literally forked the library I use and manually implemented auto-retries for server errors (errors on Discord's end)

And it's working better now

Not perfect but I'm still tweaking it

[grave zinc]

@scarlet musk - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add one or more launchers or launcher-adjacent weapons to pre-hardmode]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@frozen kite - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[# Calamitas and her Brothers should be given her own mask]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[frozen kite]

yooo let’s go

[frozen kite]

why 110 though….

[tiny minnow]

109 people liked the idea

[indigo yacht]

this one, really?

interesting

[frozen kite]

[indigo yacht]

i didn't think people cared about masks

[frozen kite]

i cared when i wanted to collect them all

and noticed she was missing for no good reason

[thorn talon]

guys how many time usually does it take for a suggestion to be posted?

i think the pins says 24 hours right?

[indigo yacht]

yes

[half imp]

yes

[thorn talon]

alright

[frozen kite]

be patient brotein shake

[drowsy plank]

@dusty stump there are external mods for this

also this reasoning sucks

[dusty stump]

Calamity Vanilla Changes Reverter is stuck in 1.4.3 hell

also uh

sorry

this is like

my first suggestion

[pure verge]

just lower the difficulty at that point

[drowsy plank]

it's fine, there are rules in the pins but most of the time there needs to be a reason to fix a problem and this doesn't really have any reasoning
disabling something like auric bars in zenith doesn't really do anything but make the calamity experience worse, so there's not really a reason to add a toggle to something like that, unlike the early hardmode rework, which at least has the justification of being mod compat

that also

if the game is too hard, play an easier difficulty

that's how vanilla would handle it too

[dusty stump]

I am on "baby difficulty for stupid little babies" classic mode

[drowsy plank]

i assume you've beaten vanilla before at least, right?

[dusty stump]

yea

[drowsy plank]

what exactly are you getting stuck on?

[indigo yacht]

I'm not really sure how disabling calamity changes would make classic mode easier, there are very few that affect it directly

ig some weapons are buffed or nerfed

[dusty stump]

His Ice attack that keeps shoving me out of my ufo
And the fact that his phantasm dragon is like
50% harder to kill

[dusty stump]

Lunatic cultist is beating my ass

[drowsy plank]

does LC still have any changes in normal mode? i dont think he does
what exactly is different between this and vanilla?

[indigo yacht]

i don't think cultist has any changes in classic mode compared to vanilla

[tepid crown]

im pretty sure the only classic mode differences is the hitbox size increase and the contact damage changes

both of which would just make the fight easier

[half imp]

Does cultist even have contact dmg

In vanilla

[tepid crown]

yes

[severe sparrow]

pretty much everything in vanilla has contact damage

[remote maple]

Vanilla loves contact damage

[tardy geyser]

[olive saddle]

i think vanillas contact damage is fine and makes sense but some of it is egregious

calamity just makes it worse imo

[drowsy plank]

contact damage sucks

there are a few instances where it makes sense but most of it suckssssss

[frail mantle]

give this person a true

[thorn talon]

https://tenor.com/view/fnb-get-this-man-a-true-gif-25257480

[scarlet musk]

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[scarlet musk]

i think almost every enemy in the game should have zero contact damage and instead have telegraphed, fairly predictable attacks

like there are some exceptions where its kinda part of how they work but idk

king slime maybe i dunno

but a rune wizard should deal ZERO contact damage

not 400 because you're 'getting hit' by an easily avoided enemy, but 0 because its an enemy that's easily avoided in the first place so why should i have to worry about this dude who can only spit murder balls at me and can't even move, doing anything substantial to me in melee range whatsoever

[worthy lintel]

hollow knight is critically acclaimed despite having perma contact damage on everything

[drowsy plank]

that doesnt mean it's been accepted btw

[scarlet musk]

i know

just hyped it made it to the server

[slow kraken]

Guys hear me out, persistent binoculars that work on the vanity slot

[lucid marsh]

It is designed around that being there, and also it still gets criticism for that

[drowsy plank]

yeah like it does get a lot of criticism for that in spite of it all

[obsidian nova]

So kind of like Jaws of Oblivion?

The wulfrum what?

[fleet grotto]

Old name for wulfrum amplifier

[obsidian nova]

Hey guys fun fact
Do you know that Storm Weaver is the only boss without a special 100% drop accessory?
I wanted to make a suggestion about it, but again, I really don't know what to write there other than "do it for consistency"

[indigo yacht]

there is no reasoning for that

[obsidian nova]

Yeah that's why I'm asking

[vocal wedge]

Maybe it'll get one in the form of an Expert mode accessory.

[obsidian nova]

No I mean the Normal mode ones

I mean it's just weird to me that all of the other bosses have this cool thing going for them and this one just

Doesn't

[vocal wedge]

Storm Weaver is free, not only from the clutches of the Distortion but also from the conventions of the boss loot distribution.

[obsidian nova]

Copium

[half imp]

Already have plans for storm weaver expert equivalent accessory

[errant wren]

i may or may not have forgotten that the name changed at least 3 months ago

[tepid crown]

i think you mean 3 YEARS ago

[errant wren]

i mean i'm not wrong

[tepid crown]

true

it was at least 3 days ago

[errant wren]

at least 3 seconds ago, even

[obsidian nova]

Understood
(Still a bit strange that it's on normal mode for other bosses though )

[half imp]

That's being changed

calamity makes all expert items available in normal too

including vanilla ones like soc

But that's not staying around

[outer mantle]

I really didn’t think you were meant to play calamity on normal mode.

[drowsy plank]

you can do whatever you want

difficulties are just difficulties and if ur bad at the game you play on normal because that is what would be most fun for you

no big deal

[mystic sandal]

Transformer retier,,,,,,,,,,

[gilded citrus]

Isnt this planned already

[balmy hound]

it is?

i should really check the doc before posting

[gilded citrus]

Swear i have heard something like this in spoiler talk before

[balmy hound]

so i took a look at the future content doc and i don't see anything about ore slimes yet

[crude geode]

It’s dev_plans.png

[errant wren]

what if we made angry dandelion drop 1 perennial ore

[drowsy plank]

there's definitely stuff about enemies that drop ore, it's just not one bullet point

killing ore slimes is 100% on the agenda already and has been for a very, very long time

it's just

yknow

[indigo yacht]

good suggestion ore slimes are stupid

[drowsy plank]

enemy design

[gilded citrus]

Its a good suggestion meaning there was a solid chance devs already thought of it

[misty lichen]

getting ores via combat rather than mining technically should be more engaging

but like calamity non bosses lol

[errant wren]

a lil gremlin guy that you have to chase but also attacks you by chucking the ore

[half imp]

Ore slime more like

[thorn talon]

bore slime

am i right chat

am i right

tough crowd eh

am i mutted

[half imp]

yes

[indigo yacht]

i wish

[worthy lintel]

i feel like this sugg might get monkeypawed

ore slimes are gone but now its all fishing only for renewability

[half imp]

actually

there's another option

[crude geode]

Every ore is now chlorophyte that grows in sand

[half imp]

#458432092301295618 message

[indigo yacht]

i am eating all the ore like potato chips

#unknown

[crude geode]

#unknown

[half imp]

Spider can see it

That's what matters

[crude geode]

damn the common sugg discusser does not matter

[half imp]

you've seen it teased in Patreon before

[indigo yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/komaru-komaru-cat-cat-eyes-emoji-eyes-emoji-meme-lets-take-a-look-gif-5692339988430765187

[oblique birch]

scary #unknown of death

[worthy lintel]

note that i said might, not will

[half imp]

wait were you even in Patreon

idek

[worthy lintel]

i just took the opportunity to slander fishing

[half imp]

fishing more like peak

[worthy lintel]

again

[crude geode]

fishing more like pissing

[half imp]

for the patrons
#663595792690315264 message

[oblique birch]

scary #unknown of famine

[errant wren]

fishing more like fishing

[grizzled dome]

I'm not sure how i feel about ore slimes. On the one hand, having a universalized design language for "this is the thing that drops the ores" makes sense, and it gives playthroughs some resilience against the mod getting updated partway through and adding a new ore after worldgen. On the other, they definitely feel perfunctory rather than creative. I personally think they should get added to post-ML Slime Rain, but that's a separate issue.

Also, yes, if you've made an optimized mob farm (as many players do), their presence obviates the intended purpose of later-game ore addition, that being a recurrence of the initial exploration/mining phase of gameplay.

[glass arch]

ore slimes arent unique and thats the issue

every mod and their grandmother has an ore slime

[drowsy plank]

ore slimes have always and will always suck

you want ores to drop from slimes? we had a tool for that, it was called putting the ore inside of the slime like vanilla does

[glass arch]

thing that drops ores renewably? fuck yeah thats awesome
that thing being a slime? fuck no thats lame

sure maybe it was cool when avalon did it in 1.1 but we're well over a decade past that point

[indigo yacht]

perennial skeleton

cryonic skeleton

uelibloom skeleon

[frail fox]

🌊 ✍️

[indigo yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/water-writing-water-writing-gif-fire-writing-bro-is-onto-nothing-this-writing-sucks-gif-16029301679387297696

[umbral gazelle]

screw it
perennial elemental
cryonic elemental
uelibloom elemental

[novel belfry]

i had to save this entire sugg

this is just memorable

[misty lichen]

no flag yet this could get in

[echo leaf]

flagged

[umbral gazelle]

@celest river uhmm actually.
This is overly too specific which is against suggestion rule(no specific content suggestion) you can read it in the pin of this channel methink. And isnt Satan from Christian, idk about Chaos but i dont think its a part of Norse Mythology. Calamitas isnt qualified as a god because godhood in Calamity isnt qualified by strength(Slime God is one of the weaker god). 70% hp increase is too much and theres many way to increase lifesteal/life regen to the point 1% hp per attack is very minor(though percentage hp usage would be good for that one magic weapon enchantment cuz the drawback is too low) and it being helmet piece could ruin some build because most endgame Calamity armor bonus is from set bonus.

[celest river]

sry i just finished reading record of ragnarok and got inspired

good manga tho

[umbral gazelle]

Though im not an expert at game design or balance i do think that reverse berserker mechanic can be broken(ive heard that ||Queequeg in Limbus Company used to have reverse berserker mechanic due to bug(shes supposed to deal more dmg the lower her hp percentage is but Project Moon spaghetti codes caused her to deal more dmg the higher her hp percentage is) which result in her casually instakilling anyone with counter.|| so i think its better to use normal berserker mechanic instead of reversed one.

Oh and a few more thing is that adding or referring more gods can be quite troublesome due to the need to provide their lore and other stuff along with their addition, which is probably take quite a long time.

i hope the message isnt too long teehee

[celest river]

alg

[obsidian nova]

Oh I see

[obsidian nova]

Good to hear

[coral carbon]

all timer in sugg posting

[mystic sandal]

It’s no fogbound but it’s pretty good

Mods, ❗ his skull

Also, Satan isn’t Norse, he’s Abrahamic

Neither is Chaos, it’s got a LOT of different religions tied to it tho so maybe it was mentioned at some point somewhere?

we already have supreme calamitas who is basically a god
@vocal wedge thought of you when I read this

Also like how they mentioned SCal but not Perfs or Hive Mind or Yharon or Guardians or Anahita or Brimmy or Golem or

[coral carbon]

something that is technically the same as chaos exists in many myths and religions although norse myth has a different origin

something about a giant dying and its body became the earth

iirc

[mystic sandal]

Look at that subtle off-white text. The tasteful incoherency of it. Oh my god, it even has an SIS.

[vocal wedge]

Foreboding...

[north oracle]

I'm just going to delete it, stop making fun of a sugg that's been flagged 😭

[half imp]

@teal yarrow this is already done in the next update

[teal yarrow]

Shit mb i didnt know

Ill erase

[half imp]

I don't know if it's even in changelogs or not so it's no surprise you didn't know, but yup we've already got it covered

[last shard]

I mean what are the contenders needed here if we try to avoid any resprites?
Hallowed already has the Mechs
Aerialite slimes are actually kinda neat imo but maybe can move it to a low chance off Harpies?
Cryonic could be moved to Ice Claspers if spawn rate is ticked down a little or rates are non-guaranteed
That would leave Perennials and Uelibloom though

And technically Auric since it lacks a renewable source outside of a low chance from Titanium crates

[half imp]

uelibloom is dying eventually, Auric has a new method, Perennial is dying eventually and also the slime might die in 2.1

[golden sonnet]

Aero slime is probably the one slime that will stay

[last shard]

In that case replacing the slimes sounds could be a simple value change for Claspers to cover Cryonic no?

[golden sonnet]

It is yuh after all

[last shard]

If the other two ores are getting bashed out anyway down the line

[last shard]

Hell yeah

I love my lil wing bubbles

[drowsy plank]

perennial is dying? i thought it just got reworked
what does this mean for life alloy?

[half imp]

i think perennial as an ore is dying

it might exist transformed into something else

but not an ore

also when did perennial the ore get reworked

Reaver Armor got reworked a while back but also that's not dying

[last shard]

Tbf Perennial is a weird ore for Caverns

Like it feels weird having two very plant-y ores and neither one is Jungle or Purity related

It'd be funny if Purity was actually used as an ore gen zone as an incentive to help stave off the evil biome spread lol

[half imp]

? Uelibloom is jungle

[last shard]

Oh I'm stupid

Lmao

[drowsy plank]

i thought the transformation of the ore into something else was the reworking of perennial, i knew the ore as an ore was dying, but if the material was killed outright that would leave life alloy in a weird spot

[last shard]

Sorry

[drowsy plank]

also it hadn't happened yet

perennial uelibloom chlorophyte

the plant ore trio

[half imp]

yeah I was specifically meaning the ore/bar

[last shard]

I mean it'd mostly just mean you'd need to kill Ravager for Life Alloy

[half imp]

The new thing will not be an ore and not need a slime type thing because of it

[drowsy plank]

???

[half imp]

life alloy is stupid anyway

[drowsy plank]

why the fuck would they leave life alloy in and make it only drop from ravager

[indigo yacht]

are you trying to say we don't need 8 billion materials crafted out of other materials

[drowsy plank]

if one of its three components is outright removed it would either die as well or be reworked

[indigo yacht]

heresy

[drowsy plank]

this is true, i just hadnt heart about it dying yet

[last shard]

Because someone on the dev may have a burning hatred for the playerbase idk

[drowsy plank]

no we got rid of fabsol the dev team wants to make an actually playable mod now

[last shard]

Lmao

[half imp]

I have a mod for you

[indigo yacht]

the fact that half of these are in basecal seems pointed

[drowsy plank]

they call it miracle matter because it's a fucking miracle if you can manage to craft it

[half imp]

I have a video of crafting shadowspec armor with this mod

It look like 5 minutes

[indigo yacht]

😭

[half imp]

https://youtu.be/L5U9YvUlCpU

[drowsy plank]

back in 2016 people would've said this was peak

[half imp]

Look at the inventory

At the beginning

[drowsy plank]

wait smh you forgot to put crystal shards back into cryonic bars

[last shard]

I mean the ingredient variety is one thing, the amount used at all stages is another. This just feels like the equivalent of two little kids doing the crafting equivalent of "I got you!" "No, I have a bulletproof vest!" "No, I have vest-ignoring bullets!"

[indigo yacht]

i would bet money all of these (added) intermediate materials literally do nothing except craft shadowspec bars

[last shard]

Repeatedly until neither one even remembers what they set out to "win" in the argument

[half imp]

No they all are used elsewhere

Anywhere all 3 souls are used automatically was replaced with the souls + hallowed thing, for example

[indigo yacht]

do they just replace the

yeah okay checks out

[half imp]

I also have a mod that does the opposite

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[indigo yacht]

thanks Galactica singularities for being fucking stupid

[drowsy plank]

honestly gala sings and the souls are both so weird to me

like why do we need items that craft with all the souls you could just make a new material at that point that ISN'T JUST ONE MADE FROM PREVIOUS MATERIALS

[half imp]

Or just use the previous ones

[last shard]

Ngl I put off making anything using those just because I already farmed Deus a bunch and kind of turned all the fragments into tiles lmao

[indigo yacht]

mech souls only having like 2 unique crafts has always been so dumb to me

[last shard]

And really don't want to do it again

[indigo yacht]

can we take like half the triple soul recipes and make them just take like, 1-2 of them

[drowsy plank]

gala sings being in everything turns it from a cool item into an obligation

you could just using hallowed bars instead of souls tbqh

they're post three mechs in cal so it's nbd

or chloro

chloro is also there

[half imp]

What triple soul recipes even exist besides tex, angel treads, and the pickaxes

[indigo yacht]

theres a number

[half imp]

Y'know what bothers me

Why don't soul in a bottle do something like star in a bottle

[indigo yacht]

i remember blood orange and avenger emblem off the top of my head but i know there's like... 3 more

[bold crown]

Pwnnage needs it i think

[indigo yacht]

bc it always pisses me off whenever I'm trying to craft something and "oh whoops i need fucking mech souls"

[last shard]

True Night Edge too iirc

[indigo yacht]

"i have to refight sprime"

[drowsy plank]

i feel like it would be because you would need to farm the hell out of them and also a lack of things for them to do

it's not like firefly in a bottle does anything

[half imp]

firefly is a bug

[indigo yacht]

soul of fright in a bottle makes everything scary

[half imp]

like what if soul of sight made everything brighter

[indigo yacht]

and soul of might makes everything stronger

[half imp]

and fright increased spawn rates

and might increased knockback

[indigo yacht]

and soul of sight makes everything see you

[half imp]

and flight gave +50% duration to specifically rocket boots

[indigo yacht]

they should debuff you instead of buff you

arent they malevolent spirits anyways

[last shard]

Make them like QoL candle buffs or just work Candles into being the candle mats maybe?

[drowsy plank]

if you wanna come up with unique arena buffs for all of these, go ahead, but it sounds a lil obnoxious for arena building lmao

[indigo yacht]

we need to add more words to over the top nohit titles

[half imp]

Good

Minmaxing arenas deserves to be obnoxious

[drowsy plank]

i mean it kinda already is with sunflowers lmao...

at least the bottles and laterns work from platforms

i think

[indigo yacht]

lanterns do

[half imp]

sight in a bottle gives everything homing

might in a bottle gives everything infinite pierce

Fright in a bottle gives everything +50% crit damage

[indigo yacht]

*against you

[last shard]

Like the Mech Souls could be fun as candle buffs for exploration. Like Doze said, Sight giving like a Night Vision buff (self-explanatory), Might maybe could increase mining speed (putting added power behind your strikes), and Fright could reduce spawn rates (because of emanating fear)

[indigo yacht]

but why

[drowsy plank]

we already have candles

[indigo yacht]

i think making them do anything that's ostensibly positive is dumb, personally

[drowsy plank]

lets be honest the only reason star in a bottle even does anything in the first place is because terraria's design used to be mana centric and then after it wasn't, it's just been repeatedly kicking mage in the balls for the past umpteen updates bc mana is poorly implemented in vanilla

[last shard]

Again, they'd be useful for exploration only. I mean idk what else they could do if hypothetically given buff effects but also not wanting to be mass farmed for arena minmaxxing

[frail fox]

Perfect ideas

[indigo yacht]

yeah so don't give them buff effects

[drowsy plank]

it's like a bandaid on a gaping wound

[indigo yacht]

just make them like

spin around when you turn them on or something

calamity is saved

[last shard]

Ngl I wonder how many people fill their arenas with that stuff only to use Meteor Armor and set boost guns or later just Mana Flower

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[indigo yacht]

to be fair it still benefits mana flowers

[last shard]

No, fuck that good logic. You now use all one of all three to craft a Soul of Blight which is now worked into Galactica Singularity and Ascendant Spirit Essence recipes

...actually the spirit bottle talk does give me like

An actual unironic idea alongside Effigy of Decay

Like what if Souls of Flight and Aerialite could be used to make an effigy that, in range, nullified the effects of space gravity?

(Disable during bosses maybe idk)

[half imp]

gravity normalizer potion:

[last shard]

I mean yeah the potion exists

[errant wren]

weaker normalizing

[last shard]

But that's like saying Effigy of Decay shouldn't exist because Water Breathing Potions exist

One is usable anywhere in the world for a player duration, the other's usable in a limited range forever.

[bold crown]

Honestly, I wouldn't mind if they killed Effigy of Decay

[errant wren]

i would

i like effigy of decay

[indigo yacht]

effigy of decay is sulphurous water immunity

there's nothing else that gives it, I don't think

[last shard]

Also water breathing

[indigo yacht]

the water breathing does not matter

ngl

if you removed the immunity only like, half as many people would use it

if you remove the water breathing almost nobody would stop using it

[last shard]

It does for base building and early game, it's really nice not having to chug potions going through water each time

[errant wren]

it matters a tiny bit when going down to the abyss early on

[last shard]

But I agree, it's probably underused anyway since rn Sea King is busted as hell for Sulphur/Abyss exploration

[indigo yacht]

how often are you spending that much time deep underwater in the early game

[last shard]

And Sunken Sea

[bold crown]

I guess that's pretty true. Now I wouldn't mind if they killed Sulphurskin

[last shard]

A lot tbh, I like Sunken Sea and Sulphur Sea

[indigo yacht]

lol

sunken sea is full of air pockets

sulphurous sea... what else are you looking in it for other than the chests? you only need to go down once or twice to get those

i suppose if you die to the poisoning

then you'd need a few potions

[last shard]

I know it is, it's just really visually annoying. I know I'm definitely in the minority on that though

Sunken's the main place it's useful since you will spend a lot of time underwater, but again air pockets and the one accessory that regens air if you stand still

Decay is more so just to make things easier for base setup if underwater or for adventure maps

Anyway I ramble nonsense too much

[half imp]

this is probably being removed from it tbh

just sulphur poison immunity instead of both

[last shard]

Aw

[last shard]

Wait I thought it was in consideration still for working on NPCs too

[half imp]

a suggestion for it was made here

[last shard]

Or was the plan to scrap it off Decay and move it solely to a Pylon effect

[half imp]

That suggestion hasn't even made it to the dev server yet

but what is likely to happen is Sunken Sea Pylon gives water breathing when NPCs are nearby

[last shard]

Aye, it was mine and you mentioned there were plans around it- something like "We have some plans around that already with Sunken Sea pylons, decay could work too but might not"

[last shard]

Ngl I doubt it would

It's like the lab turrets, really niche sugg that not a lot of people would care about in the first place. If plans are already in works for the Pylon to have the effect instead, then the Effigy would be redundant for the most part

[urban oracle]

#suggestions-posting message

this already happening

[frozen kite]

i’ve always had a headcannon that we’re orange slimes to be added to the game they would have wings and be found in the sky…..

should replace the aerialite slimes

[half imp]

@ yuh you've been turned orange

[frozen kite]

if you edit the ping into the message afterwards you will still be able to see the person without genuinely pinging them…

tyrant can testify i tried it on him

[half imp]

I know that

I don't care enough to do it

[frozen kite]

[gaunt crystal]

is that a request or sarcasm?

[drowsy plank]

i was talking to doze

[gaunt crystal]

got it

sorry

[mystic sandal]

fuck it ill try

• flight: +10 wing time
• fright: ale effect
• light: permanent shine pot
• might: +100% weapon knockback :tr
• night: uhhh idk lol
• sight: binoculars

[gilded citrus]

Night gives owl sight potion thing

[novel belfry]

unrelated but what if you made the mech souls less mech-y by making them drop from other enemies after their relevant mech is defeated

like, you kill twins and you start getting souls of sight somewhere else

[gilded citrus]

Why?

Dont think that happens to any other boss crafting material ?

[half imp]

+10 flight time per tick

balanced

[novel belfry]

hallowed bars

[half imp]

permanent binoculars from walking near a tile sounds very funny I'm ngl

[half imp]

but they're literally meant to be mech-y

idk why we'd change that

[gilded citrus]

Also like what purpose does it serve gameplay wise

[half imp]

Hallowed ore is also a little silly but it's to match the other mechs spawning ores I think

[gilded citrus]

Hallowed ore i can see because
A bar with no ore is odd
But idk what reasoning could be for souls

[half imp]

... Although we could have just made chlorophyte spawn from killing the last mech instead, and then made it spawn in larger quantities

that also means no chlorophyte ore before it's minable

[novel belfry]

its known that in calamity souls tend to spread out and cause havoc when you beat the boss that is containing lotsa of such souls

its used to explain hardmode and other progression points

but then again, mechs kinda just randomly spawn ores for no apparent reason...

other than souls ig

[gilded citrus]

I see no gameplay reason for this change

[gilded citrus]

Also this applies to vanilla

[novel belfry]

true

[half imp]

to be fair WoF spawns literally entire biomes

[last shard]

Flight: Wing Time, agreed
Fright: Enemies in range now move at 0.9x speed.
Light: Natural light is always as though 12:00 PM.
Night: Natural light is always as though 12:00 AM.
Sight: Gain the effects of Binoculars and Spelunker Potion.
Might: Enemy drop rates are boosted by 5%. Enemies now take and deal damage at a multiplier half spawn rate mods (IE: 4x Spawn Rate means enemies deal/take 2x more. 50% spawn rate nerfs enemies by 50%. Does not affect bosses (CAN affect boss minions.)

Fuck it, bad ideas go

[last shard]

Can't you get Chloro via shimmer by killing Ravager?

[novel belfry]

make souls of blight double dot lengths

[half imp]

that isn't what I meant

I mean in the world

[indigo yacht]

remove all souls from the game

[last shard]

Fair enough

[gilded citrus]

And chloro from shimmering the plantera ore from slimes iirc

[last shard]

(...actually kind of like the idea of a visual time lock that doesn't actually lock time lol)

[half imp]

Monolith go brr

[last shard]

Yeah, like a daytime or nighttime monolith

Except I think most are still affected by light levels?

[half imp]

go my aether monolith

[last shard]

I think Lunars do that too right?

[novel belfry]

make it like a post-ml monolith ngl

[last shard]

A platform with no lights on it in the sky is just as visible at night as it is in day?

[novel belfry]

i like the idea of visually time locking something for a fight

also i know for a fact that people are going to suggest the upcoming bakidon to either increase its time lock period or make it permanent or something

[last shard]

A lot of bosses do that but they just use background overwrites

[last shard]

It is permanent iirc

[half imp]

we might make it permanent we're undecided

[last shard]

I thought that's why it uses Astral Bars, it's also buffed to be permanent locks to time

[half imp]

that's cosmolight

they're talking about Bakidon

[last shard]

I must be going crazy

I thought it was getting a rename to that

I'm officially losing my mind

[novel belfry]

cosmolight does have the time acceleration function so itd still be a decent upgrade...

[last shard]

Eh, ngl the move to post-Deus and needing Astral Bars rather than Astral Ore kinda miffs me on that. You need both Deus and Cultist dead to fix it, which Deus is "intended " to be the last boss actually requiring time zones to summon

[glass arch]

yeah thats the point

you get the item that functionally deletes time once you dont require time for anything

before that you just have a timefreeze

[last shard]

Except why not move it to post Provi then, given Provi is a boss who does mechanically function differently at Night as well

[frail mantle]

she won't

[glass arch]

^

[oblique birch]

because Providence won't be time based

[last shard]

Ah.

[frail mantle]

the buffed fight is being changed to simply using the summon while she's alive

[mystic sandal]

that would be so nice

actually being able to dig in the underground jungle pre-mech

🥹

[last shard]

I still think it's a little silly given fast time still exists via beds for Mechs/Aureus/Deus and the Moons being important post-DoG, but I get the logic

[glass arch]

bed fast and cosmolight fast are 2 very different levels of fast

[oblique birch]

all underground jungle miners must die

😇

[glass arch]

a bed is around double time speed iirc
cosmolight fast is the entire day in something like 12 seconds

[mystic sandal]

but my life fruit DDD:

[mystic sandal]

bed is 5x time iirc

so a day becomes 4 or 5 minutes

[oblique birch]

yeah that's still too long compared to a post-Deus item

[mystic sandal]

also forgetting to mention the sundials which, admittedly do suck to use but are still legitimate options

[oblique birch]

very different tiers of progression, Cosmolight is bed and sundial on cracks

like an indirect upgrade

[mystic sandal]

yeah no im not saying that cosmolight shouldnt be post deus lol

because it should be

[oblique birch]

no I'm not talking about u

nevermind 🫃

[mystic sandal]

🫃

[oblique birch]

classic

[river lily]

please no more pointless vanilla changes guys on god fr

damn the chat didnt scroll im washed

[tepid crown]

wat were u talking about

[river lily]

soul stuff

[tepid crown]

oh ok

[distant gyro]

random crackhead vanilla changes are pretty bad i agree

[mystic sandal]

We should add a ton of random vanilla changes and just not mention them in changelogs

Anytime someone asks you just go “nah that’s a vanilla feature”

[indigo yacht]

there's already like over a dozen unrecorded vanilla changes

i know because i keep finding them

[mystic sandal]

Now I’m curious

[indigo yacht]

if you look through the github long enough you'll stumble on to something

[drowsy plank]

@grave wagon please do not post in #suggestions-posting unless it is an actual suggestion; that channel is managed by a bot and random messages could mess it up

[coral carbon]

the idea of even more things messing with the suggestions bot frightens me

[last shard]

I mean, the soul reason we were chatting about it was mostly shits and giggles lol

It wasn't serious- might be why it gave you such a fright on sight

[indigo yacht]

ban

please

[tepid crown]

might.

o wait u alr said it

uhhhhhhhh

blight.

[crude geode]

🐌

[last shard]

What, can't a gal make some light humor? It's only some easy puns, no need for the whole fight or flight reaction

Nothing worse than the usual wednesday night chats

[indigo yacht]

no

you cant

[last shard]

Smh where's your humorous spirit? really shouldn't be bottling up your whimsy

[thorn talon]

what do you guys think of my suggestion? ik this is advertising it technically but it's probably not gonna get enough votes for it anyway so might as well just ask here since i was curious

and btw can i send the same suggestion a second time or not?

[drowsy plank]

you'd at least need to wait until the first one is out of contention for voting

furthermore, if you sending it like, every single 2 week period in a row for a while, you might be asked to just stop since it is clear people aren't interested

[thorn talon]

yeah okay i see

i think i'll just send it a second time for the next 2 week period or like one right after sso just incase then i'll just stop if it doesn't get enough votes

[echo leaf]

the biggest difference is that the bed increases random tick speed and the rate at which time passes

But Cosmolight skips time

Each of them are valuable

[glass arch]

well no new cosmolight is just a really fast speedup

[indigo yacht]

❌

it skips time

you can't get, say, traveling merchants by skipping time

~~i really wish you could ~~

[worthy lintel]

why can't travelling merchant stop travelling

world is in ruins where is bro travelling to

[crude geode]

your mom

[worthy lintel]

you can't travel on something that big

[crude geode]

and yet he persists

[errant wren]

one must imagine the traveling merchant happy

[indigo yacht]

no i don't i hate him

[vocal wedge]

He's taking all the coins you pay him with, melting them down, then using them to make weapons to arm his grand empire the next continent over which doesn't use that currency.

[half imp]

it is actually a speedup

120x

But it is not also a random tick speedup

it works the same way that Sundial works, but stronger

And more controllable

[half imp]

Beds are 5x speed, Cosmolight is 120x. It's very different

and moons aren't going to stay important post dog forever

[indigo yacht]

oh you're talking about sso cosmolight i misread

[west stirrup]

I have a question. Now that TMOD allows mod development teams to add custom achievements in the game, will our "calamity" mod also add related achievements and the like?

[tepid crown]

yes, eventually

[west stirrup]

👍

[humble scarab]

there are many planned

[whole tundra]

However

[humble scarab]

oh, i forgor

the sprites

[errant wren]

can we get an achievement for doing 300 fishing quests

[golden sonnet]

I made it for 500

[errant wren]

that works

[tired haven]

Achievement line for N = 2^x fishing quests up to intmax

[indigo yacht]

🙏

[half imp]

bot dead again crying

[keen zodiac]

@inland saddle :(((((

[inland saddle]

It’s back

That was weird

It didn’t crash it just disconnected

It was still running

[mystic sandal]

Sugg bot is dying just for fun now

[misty lichen]

in it for the love of the game

[grave zinc]

@fervent orbit - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Improve SCal's arena's aesthetics]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

ayo?

[vocal wedge]

Calamitas has been forced to take an interior design class.
While she is now better at making good looking arenas, she is furious.
Good luck with your next playthrough!

[royal tapir]

I'm sure noob will be very excited to return to see this

[remote maple]

Yooo

[vocal wedge]

Damn she already got 'em.
That was quick.

[grave zinc]

@tranquil perch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change the way SCal creates her arena]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[tranquil perch]

oh, thanks

I forgot about that suggestion

[vocal wedge]

Damn Calamitas is going to all the classes.
Maybe she'll be able to get a job afterwards.

[half imp]

Her record is gonna make that hard

[vocal wedge]

When you summon her you have to watch a ten minute cutscene of her bricklaying while glaring at you.

[keen zodiac]

🎉 🎉 🎉 🎉 🎉 🎉 🎉

[tranquil perch]

one thing that I should have mentioned that can easily be overlooked, is that in some countries, the standard for internet speeds is lower

[vocal wedge]

Ah, Australia, gotcha.

[keen zodiac]

[tranquil perch]

Brazil, where I live in, is also victim of that

compared to the US, I mean.

[vocal wedge]

I'm not in the US, thank God.

[keen zodiac]

br*tish

[vocal wedge]

Shut.

[oblique birch]

YES

HOLY SHIT

[boreal lichen]

suggestion heaven

[obsidian nova]

Do a community spriting contest

[gilded citrus]

British

[vocal wedge]

Stop.

[gilded citrus]

Brit

[vocal wedge]

I will untangle your digestive system.

[gilded citrus]

:3

[drowsy plank]

@rich mural this is a bug and is already planned to be fixed

[rich mural]

Well

So I should delete it then?

Will it be fixed in the next update?

[drowsy plank]

it should be fixed in the next update, if i remember correctly i think they are just scrapping the dust spam entirely and replacing it with new visuals so this shouldnt be a problem anymore

so yeah you can probably delete this

[rich mural]

Okey thx

[ripe owl]

Actually true, Fargo's did that and it was awesome

[indigo yacht]

the ever reliable trash slot

[vocal wedge]

I'm sure this was suggested before, or at least something similar.

[obsidian nova]

Yeah
Same with Thorium

[last shard]

@errant wind
Didn't you end up suggesting something like this in the past?

I can't forget the Yi Xi pfp

[errant wind]

Yes but there was a problem

Since I said to make them craft able but they already are

So I just put to change them

And luckily I get the suggestion accepted (I doubt it though)

But I got one suggestion already made and it’s a nice one

I suggested to make the magic conch craft able

[errant wren]

booo get outta here

ha nice

[obsidian nova]

Who's gonna tell them

[hollow shell]

(Am I missing something or is the Crystal Flash mention completely out of left field?)

[thin lake]

i meant to include a note where the enhanced revive granted you massive damage resistance during the immobility period, where all your available mana is siphoned to a full heal, but i had to trim it out

and that this mana dump would be a counterbalance to having an extremely tanky full heal over 3 seconds

forcing you to take mana potions or rush to a set of statues after exiting it

that's why i also thought of the idea of it being a Crystal Flash reference since in Super Metroid you do a specific button combo to spend some of your ammo to refill all of Samus's energy

i'm not sure if a direct conversion would be a good idea since you could die with most of your mana gone and it likely won't even be able to fully heal you unless you start at a minimum of 100

even considering post-Moon Lord stats and armor bonuses later on

[north oracle]

The whole thing's borderline SIS, that part 100% is lol

[thin lake]

but in the end the original idea is to combine those two accessories since they already have a lot of synergy with each other

and making the combination wouldn't place it too far behind Sigil in progression

[north oracle]

In fact I will say @thin lake please don't include any specifics about where/how this could be obtained, and especially not the suggestion for a direct reference at the end (we'll see if CIT or Cog think it's too specific anyway I suppose lol)
Leave the implementation up to devs, just present the core idea

[thin lake]

fair

[hollow shell]

That crystal flash reference should be excluded entirely

Not just for the specificity aspect but also just, I think it'll confuse people more than anything

[thin lake]

i'm working on the rewrite rn

[hollow shell]

aight

[thin lake]

i realized there might be another item or accessory that could be used as an ingredient to make a mana version of lifesteal

[serene vapor]

bloodstone? maybe make it a late game item

[thin lake]

in my head this should be a defensive/survivability counterpart to the Sigil of Calamitas, so you could use the Vampire Knives instead

Crimson Chest exists regardless

well could over should but eh

also it could make sense since you normally have access to Spectre armor at that point too

so perhaps the lifesteal keeping you above 50% grants you a really comfy magic damage boost

[obsidian nova]

Yeah but like
How would vampire knives being used in a mage accessory make any sense?

[vocal wedge]

Mages using knives isn't that uncommon.

(Not specifically Vampire Knives, I mean an association of the class in media.)
(Also Vampire Knives are the funny item so you should always use them even when they're not viable.)

[bold crown]

Eh, I'd disagree. I've never really like using them even with melee

[vocal wedge]

B-but they're funny!
The funny lifesteal knives!

[indigo yacht]

ooh okay this suggestion is very close to begin an SIS

[dire warren]

hi there meower

[indigo yacht]

hello

[drowsy plank]

@thin lake no, no this doesn't work not only is this super Specific Item Suggestion-y but you're also literally just incorrect about the synergy.

mana polarizer's whole purpose is to give you lifesteal, while perma's regen buffs only trigger when you're under half health, something that you presumably would be trying to avoid when using mana polarizer with the previously mentioned lifesteal effect

on the other end, mana polarizer's negative attribute disappears when you are under half mana, but perma's whole purpose is to try to keep your mana higher with its 15% mana reduction. in fact, that stat alone is one of the few reasons perma is suggested at all on the class guides.

unless i am missing something, these two items are literally diametrically opposed.

[indigo yacht]

the 15% mana reduction means you can also stay under half mana for longer before needing to regen/potion, I'd say it's neutral in this case

[half imp]

I'm not sure how they synergize at all tbh, Mana Polarizer you're almost always low on Mana due to Mana flower (it's a bad accessory for mana Regen)

and so permafrost being there or not changes very little of how Polarizer works, and vice versa

[last shard]

Ngl you know what'd be funny, Vampiric Talisman being transferred to Summoner since they can only crit on Whips

And it's so bizarrely inconsistent on Rogue with the amount of weapons that have weaker projectile parts that can crit super easily anyway

[half imp]

Here's the thing

Every rogue accesory is inconsistent

[frail fox]

Funny how vampiric is probably one of the more consistent ones

[half imp]

Lifesteal cooldown go brr

[craggy girder]

should there be more fishing rods

i dont think so, right

[drowsy plank]

idk

would that actually change anything

the current ones arent even that interesting (for now, i know doze did a lot for next update)

[echo leaf]

rogue try to be intuitive challenge

[last shard]

True, it's something I love about it lmao

[craggy girder]

rogue i think should have an accessory that buffs spamrogue

to have more help towards them instead of just stealth strikes

[last shard]

Rogue has a couple of them iirc

[craggy girder]

like "every x things thrown, fire a projectile that does y"

[half imp]

they definitely have things that benefit spam over stealth

[craggy girder]

or "does more damage if the shot is not a stealth strike but has stealth in the bar"

[last shard]

Isn't Spam generally already better anyway?

[craggy girder]

it kinda is

[half imp]

No

[craggy girder]

the shotgun problem: damage high, dps low

you do a lot of damage with like, adrenaline

but you cant do it consistantly

and you're ducking and weaving until you land it

meanwhile spam is just brrrrrrrrrr

• rogue is kinda stinky anyhow

bc of its middling damage

[last shard]

I feel like that's kinda not like how Shotguns get used anymore lmao

[craggy girder]

ive played a few games where they have high damage but their firerate isnt very good

[half imp]

It does not have middling damage

[last shard]

Moreso just high damage and dps but people tend to vastly overblow spread so it's hard to use at anything not close range.

[craggy girder]

it does kinda have middling damage

[half imp]

it's easily second best, first best if you remove whips

[last shard]

Isn't Rogue like second highest of the classes only beaten by Summoners

[craggy girder]

relative to its cousins of mage and warrior

[craggy girder]

where in looney town

[half imp]

mage is actually the worst off for damage

[half imp]

Correct

[craggy girder]

how

are you including whipstacking or

[half imp]

Just one single whip

[frail fox]

Glove of Recklessness and Vamp Talisman/rogue emblem as examples

[last shard]

Yeah no Rogue has a shitton of gear that's harder to read but proper builds are incredibly strong

[half imp]

Summons are on par with other classes when not using whips

And whips are very strong

[last shard]

And the weapon tooltips are often EXTREMELY misleading about their potential

[craggy girder]

i know rogue as "worse than mage but better than ranger"

and mage as "worse than melee"

[half imp]

the most common order for best classes is

Summoner
Rogue
Ranger
Melee
Mage

[craggy girder]

like in my mind it goes
melee
mage
summoner
rogue
ranger

[craggy girder]

squinting

[last shard]

Summoner in third

[half imp]

mage has the largest drought of broken weapons

[last shard]

Lmao

[craggy girder]

how is mage and warrior near the bottom

[half imp]

it has like 2 notably broken weapons in all of prehardmode

[craggy girder]

while melee is just consistantly powerful

[gilded citrus]

Melee i find consistently eh

[half imp]

because ranger, rogue, and summoner all have very broken items

Melee is consistently average

[craggy girder]

?????????

are we talking about the same intended difficulty or

[last shard]

Melee is probably the class that stays most consistent, the others have major spikes and droughts. However, those droughts and spikes last longer for some than the others

[half imp]

Ranger has stuff like Hellborn, Buzzkill, Superradiant Slaughterer, Corinth Prime, Coin Gun

Demon Bow, Flintlock Pistol

[craggy girder]

yea rangers good and i need to move it up mentally but it gets all of those very late

[craggy girder]

... doze

buddy

doze

[tepid crown]

those are good

[craggy girder]

the flintlock

from

the arms dealer ?

[half imp]

Demon Bow and Flintlock Pistol are the only pre boss S tier weapons besides rogue oens

[half imp]

Yes

[craggy girder]

the musket is right there

[gilded citrus]

Calamity prob super buffs the flintlock

[half imp]

musket is worse

[craggy girder]

or the minishark

[half imp]

Lol

[craggy girder]

???

[half imp]

Minishark is worse

[gilded citrus]

^

[half imp]

Flintlock is stupid strong in calamity

[craggy girder]

let me see its stats

[keen zodiac]

minishart

[last shard]

Minishark is worse but is VERY strong when synergized with Copper Armor and Shark Tooth

[craggy girder]

this thing better do 40 damage and shoot as fast as a coingun

[half imp]

??

Why would it need that to be broken

[craggy girder]

its good with sharktooth and great up until post eoc

[last shard]

No as in

Pre-HM good lol

[craggy girder]

because the musket does 50 and shoots quite fast

[half imp]

I'll grab musket too

[craggy girder]

blink sfx

im
not really looking for speedkill

[last shard]

damage buffs on Minishark are awful compared to fire rate just because base damage is so low it doesn't round very well

[craggy girder]

im moreso looking for "this thing kills and does not require major risk"

[gilded citrus]

This is meant to be average not speedkill i think

[half imp]

Okay but the speed of killing the boss shows how much damage it does

[craggy girder]

that

doesnt

help, really.

[half imp]

And it's in a balanced loadout

Not a speedkill one

[craggy girder]

"ah yes i optimized my kit around this item" most arent doing that

[half imp]

No

[craggy girder]

i know im not using flash rounds

[half imp]

All these use a very basic kit

[last shard]

These are using average setups, Flash Rounds are pretty common

[half imp]

okay but flash rounds are the ONLY aoe bullet

[frail fox]

They’re all normal guns what risk 😭

[half imp]

So the only good one for scourge

[gilded citrus]

If it was hyper optimised id expect much faster kill times personally

[tepid crown]

also flash rounds are used on all guns

so that doesnt even work

[half imp]

That too

[craggy girder]

mini with agile craw carapace shark tooth fossil is not very basic

[craggy girder]

in cases of mage and melee

[craggy girder]

yes

most just use musket balls

i dont know very many who go out of their way to actively get flash rounds preboss

[tepid crown]

it was not both but one or the other

[half imp]

flash rounds are so easy to make

[misty lichen]

it’s literally grenades and glass dawg

[last shard]

Yeah, it is. That's a very common loadout basis for fast-fire guns, esp when you can afford a Minishark...

[gilded citrus]

Ok but the bullet is not making it biased to flintlock

[half imp]

that too

[craggy girder]

what SPECIFICALLY is making flintlock good

[half imp]

Flash Bullet would bias towards minishark

[craggy girder]

because in no right world is flintlock good

[half imp]

It literally just does better average DPS than the other stuff

it has no gimmick it just has better damage for the fire rate

[gilded citrus]

Calamity just buffs it compared to the vanilla version

[half imp]

It's that simple

[tepid crown]

also yea flash rounds would be biased to minishark since their aoe attack has so little borrowed damage

[gilded citrus]

Its just better

[craggy girder]

im

[tepid crown]

its like 20% of the main attack

[craggy girder]

-# stg

okay

if a person had the option

of playing the mod

and they were going for a once over

presuming an average random loadout of just mixed and matched ranger accessories

would flintlock outdamage other guns of its tier

[half imp]

minishark would be outperformed by flintlock yes

And so would musket

[golden sonnet]

that's what tester gear is yes

[craggy girder]

loony

ridiculous even

hellsent

[last shard]

Not even that if I'm reading wiki right.

[half imp]

tester gear is meant to be an average loadout

[gilded citrus]

Tester gear is designed around being the average Yeah

[last shard]

The most it has is the addition of PB damage

[craggy girder]

i dont want to be like "show me it!!!" but like

the goddamn flintlock????

[gilded citrus]

The wiki exists

[tepid crown]

dude we gave you kill times wat else do u want

[last shard]

Accessory-less, yeah probs

[craggy girder]

consolation moreso

[half imp]

Flintlock Pistol isn't buffed compared to Vanilla

Minishark is nerfed though

[last shard]

Like it's a boring as shit weapon, but it really works.

[half imp]

So was musket

[craggy girder]

i cannot comprehend ranged being 3rd and rogue being 2nd

it just does not make sense in my head

[half imp]

Minishark went 6 -> 4 dmg

Musket went 31 -> 22

[craggy girder]

it was nerfed??? it feels buffed in calamity

[craggy girder]

*What.

[gilded citrus]

Well it isnt

[half imp]

yeah musket is absurd in Vanilla

[last shard]

Tbh the reason you're probably not seeing it is because you seem to undergear compared to what is average in a play run

[half imp]

Actually just insane

[half imp]

or they just never tried it

[craggy girder]

call me washed because i just cannot wrap my head around this class order

[gilded citrus]

I have used musket against skeletron in vanilla

[last shard]

And Rogue is HARD to build

[craggy girder]

i just dont use rogue

[half imp]

rogue is super build dependent yes

[gilded citrus]

You are washed

[craggy girder]

because i mentally put it as very bad

[last shard]

Like, it's actually a piece of shit to build with because of how diverse it's accessory kits are

But again- it pays out HARD

[half imp]

rogue has the single most amount of SS and S tier weapons in the mod

[craggy girder]

melee mage ranger just makes more sense mentally

since melee has consistancy, mage has cool weapons that often home, and ranger does great damage

summoner and rogue being at the top just
baffles

[last shard]

Mage is all flash no bite half the time

[craggy girder]

well yes

[tepid crown]

art attack

[half imp]

the age old funny rogue moment

[craggy girder]

god i hate art attack

[craggy girder]

blink sfx

[half imp]

or another one

[last shard]

Slick Cane with the 2k DPS off the top rope-

[craggy girder]

glaive, metal monstro, slick cane
what .

[half imp]

slick cane is top 5 weapons in terms of how broken it is

it can be viable on dragonfolly lol

[craggy girder]

see THIS checks out
THIS is a good weapon set in my head

[last shard]

Considering Metal Monstro is basically like 5 different Spiky Balls all in one high damage shell

[half imp]

as in, kill dragonfolly in the intended killtime

[gilded citrus]

Pre hardmode weapon viable on a post ml boss

[craggy girder]

turbulance is a good rogue weapon and tracking disk is nice

glaive i can. maybe get???

boomerang, boomerang good

[gilded citrus]

Wasnt tracking disk super nerfed

[craggy girder]

metal monstro, also fine

but slick cane?????????

[gilded citrus]

Thats viable on a post ml boss

[craggy girder]

hell does it do that makes it stupid broken??????

[half imp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/225030931008847874/1342184362275504270/Terraria__Sand_is_Overpowered_2024-11-23_11-15-22_-_Trim.mp4?ex=690a3618&is=6908e498&hm=4660cf323636cfaa646eb62254b7b025a7857b6d8c6bded681d7261660077b5b&

[last shard]

It scales very well and can basically onetap WoF when using Adren/Rage

[craggy girder]

ohhhh its a coingunner

[half imp]

yes

[last shard]

It's just VERY short range, like a melee wep.

[gilded citrus]

Jfc what the shit

[craggy girder]

its stealth strike is a coingun

[half imp]

it scales with platiinum

up to 2 platinum

[craggy girder]

yea so i dont care then

coingun is optimal to draedon*
*with a billion platinum

[half imp]

funny thing is it's not even top 3 weapons in calamity

[half imp]

slick cane doesn't consume the money though

[craggy girder]

like yea okay thats just how having 200 base damage a shot works

[half imp]

it actually makes more of it

[tepid crown]

yea but it doesnt use the plat

[gilded citrus]

What the fuck

[craggy girder]

null point: you can just
get
you can get more

[tepid crown]

also this isnt even true it dies hard post ml

[half imp]

coingun is viable through like polter

which is funny because so is hellborn

[tepid crown]

viable yeah but it also costs a shit

[craggy girder]

ive heard it useful up to yharon

hellborn is
weird

its a weird gun

its good! just weird

[gilded citrus]

Ok but once you get 2 platinum the weapon is just that strong it doesnt get weaker when you use it or anything
And money easy to grind

[tepid crown]

thats meant to be a shit ton but sure costs a shit

[half imp]

hellborn is 2nd most broken calamity added weapon

after Glorious End

[craggy girder]

superradiant is also good, i used it up to DoG and it did consistant damage

[half imp]

(glorious end as a damage weapon is viable through DoG)

[craggy girder]

hey dude?

can you punch me in the chest

i need to wake up from this

glorious
goddamn
end??????????????????

[half imp]

under 1 minute signus is so funny

[last shard]

Ohhhhh they don't know

[craggy girder]

dude what

[gilded citrus]

Neither do i

[glass arch]

oh yeah no gend is mages current claim to fame

[craggy girder]

what the fuck

[half imp]

gend is mage's only ss tier weapon

[tepid crown]

i love how all they post golem bosses except rav are just "no"

"you cant do this"

[craggy girder]

dude i hate calamity im gonna start doom posting

[last shard]

Wait till you see stealth-boosted HoAD in on Rogues with G.End lmao

[craggy girder]

what the fuck is this world

[glass arch]

its one of like 5 total mage weapons that are s tier and above isnt it

[craggy girder]

in no right universe should glorious end be at all even touched

it got one bug where it moonlaunched you and it shoulda been dead and buried

"wow cool gimmick" and thats it

[glass arch]

its also just good movement

[craggy girder]

what the fukc

[last shard]

Yeah basically free pass-through dashes iirc

[craggy girder]

just! use your! wasd keys!! you dont need a weapon for! movement!!!

[last shard]

And inf flight with fast speed

[glass arch]

like even without hoad bullshittery gend is still good for movement

[tepid crown]

did we mention it gives iframes yet

[last shard]

Isn't HoAD BS smth like 1,500 damage 16 times per G.End use for scale

[errant wren]

maybe we should add more weapons that are good for movement

[tepid crown]

it gives iframes

[craggy girder]

no i saw the iframes part

i often just go "okay ramdash" or "okay just do not get hit and you dont need them"

[glass arch]

forgot the exact number but hoad is on its own viable until endgame iirc

[craggy girder]

what is hoad

[glass arch]

hide of astrum deus

[last shard]

Hide of Astrum Deus

[craggy girder]

im gonna eat asparagus

[last shard]

...let's not make that joke please

[craggy girder]

my bad

next you're gonna look at me and say warbanners good for untrue melee

[half imp]

hide of deus on spikes has a 16 second signus

by itself

[craggy girder]

or that spears are at all usable

[mystic sandal]

And it’s not even the most efficient hoad use

[half imp]

with rogue armor on

[errant wren]

super don't make that joke

[mystic sandal]

I LOVE STEALTH JANK

[mystic sandal]

Dark Lance is like the best weapon in the game for wof

[craggy girder]

dude

[half imp]

no?

dark lance isn't even the best melee

Sunfury is

[mystic sandal]

Ok slick cane but like

It is DAMN good

[half imp]

the best wof weapon is Staff of Necrosteocytes

[half imp]

it isn't even the best SPEAR

[mystic sandal]

It does better than cane?

[half imp]

Goldplume Spear is

[gilded citrus]

Oh yeah the skeletons be funny

[craggy girder]

;)

[mystic sandal]

Tf do you mean it’s not the best spear

[half imp]

Cane got like 30 seconds

necros got liek 15

[mystic sandal]

WE CANNOT BE SAYING GOLDPLUME MAN

[craggy girder]

dude .

dude .

[half imp]

Goldplume is STUPID strong if you hit the true melee

[glass arch]

I LOVE STAFF OF NECROSTEOCYTES I LOVE GROUNDED MINIONS RAAAAAAAAAAH

[craggy girder]

what the FUCK is calamity balancing

[half imp]

do this with goldplume and it might be the best wof melee

[gilded citrus]

Evidently not something you understand

[craggy girder]

what do you mean the crafting recipe item is better than its resulting recipe

[last shard]

Yeah I know I did that myself recently lmao, it consistently skips 50% of Ceaseless for me too with my half-baked loadouts

[craggy girder]

how does that make. any sense.

[half imp]

3 of the eye of night ingredients are better than eye of night

wait until you hear about profaned partisan

[craggy girder]

WHY DOES IT SUCK BALLS THEN

[half imp]

it's better on yharon than BOTH it's upgrades

[errant wren]

balancing™

[craggy girder]

craftable post moon lord javelin

brother.

[glass arch]

wait until you hear about old tpe being the single best summon in the game for a while

[gilded citrus]

tpe?

[half imp]

because Eye of Night is actually balanced

it's necros and vile feeder and scab ripper that are way too strong