suggestions-discussion

[tepid crown]

they pass thru blocks

and also home

[drowsy plank]

whatever you get my point

[tepid crown]

also one of the few items to get sea prisms randomly added into its crafting recipe

[frail fox]

“Few”

[tepid crown]

i dont actually know how many were initially given sea prisms cuz why not

all i remember is deific amulet losing em

[crude geode]

I still think firebolt and icebolt are the most egregious ones but the entire line is stupid

[errant wren]

can we get grass bolt then retheme the line to be like the terra- i was then personally executed by jane bast

[indigo yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/pixelbandits-aragorn-strider-my-sword-have-gif-14830688868712672407

[drowsy plank]

we dont need anymore broadswords what about a hammer instead

[indigo yacht]

to execute hs?

[median scaffold]

A worse fate would be to make them into an unoriginal bad weapon and never update or change it afterwards

[last shard]

You know the funniest missing tile

Why do Exodium Clusters not have a back wall

The big ol meteorites of them post-ML use Exodium as the case, some Luminite inside, and then basic stone walls

[mystic sandal]

lowkey tho

post-ml meowthrower?

[glass arch]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Meowmere

there you go theres your post ml meowthrower

[crude geode]

true

[echo leaf]

lmao

at least paint them

[crude geode]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465195069406707722/1420933728838094898/spriter_hell.gif

[lucid marsh]

WoF literally has:
Buster sword
Halo gun
Steampunk (BioShock?) gun

It's red's funny references

[crude geode]

Unlikely it’s a bioshock reference, tho idk if it’s this either

[keen zodiac]

@drowsy plank can you ban this guy from suggesting or something

[remote maple]

Huh?

[errant wren]

@candid magnet no joke suggestions please

and also don't say you're serious

[candid magnet]

I'm serious

[remote maple]

What did he suggest? I have that guy blocked

[keen zodiac]

irl exo toothbrush

[candid magnet]

LOL

I don't even know this dude

and he has me blocked

truly wild

[frail mantle]

brother this is the third time you do this

[glass arch]

we might need calval suggestion ban role...

[candid magnet]

I'll drop more fire suggestions

like that one

[errant wren]

do not

[candid magnet]

💯🙏

[keen zodiac]

so true

[indigo yacht]

youd expect someone with a guts pfp to be more mature

actually what am i saying no you wouldn't

[novel belfry]

add exo tech electric toothbrush to irl 👍

[glass arch]

shoutout to the one calval user that got suggbanned without ever sending a message in their suggposting that was fun

[novel belfry]

the what

[whole tundra]

I would do that

[vocal wedge]

Han shot first or something.

[frail mantle]

i'm just gonna warn you you've already been told to put the tiniest modicum of effort into your suggestions

please turn your brain on thanks

[glass arch]

the context is they called goozma goonzma

[candid magnet]

one must imagine suggestionpbus happy

[novel belfry]

Gorezma

[crude geode]

Wild

[mystic sandal]

Yeah no that’s why I was thinking

Idk having the two cat weapons on the same tier would be neat tbh

[errant wren]

make all ml drops cat themed, move current drops elsewhere

[remote maple]

Turn the moon lord into a cat

[whole tundra]

We need cat weapons for all classes

[remote maple]

Give me cat staff

[errant wren]

cat bow

[keen zodiac]

meowmere rogue bomb

[whole tundra]

Wires bomb

[errant wren]

[keen zodiac]

💥 💥

[drowsy plank]

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-metal-gear-rising-jetsream-sam-metal-gear-rising-sam-gif-26079110

maybe i should ask to get a suggestion banning role

[whole tundra]

Also #multiplayer-looking-to-play ban

[errant wren]

please do

[frail mantle]

that already exists

i'm pretty sure

[whole tundra]

Never saw it

[frail mantle]

good

that means it's working

[drowsy plank]

already exists it's Multiplayer Blacklist

[whole tundra]

Alr

[worthy lintel]

rename multiplayer blacklist to socially inept jail and encompass both suggestions and multiplayer

[keen zodiac]

true!

[echo leaf]

reak

[last shard]

Unironically just

Use Nyan Cat sprite

And have it leave behind two Rainbow Rod projectiles each time it makes a direct hit, exploding for bonus damage at the end of travel time

Stealth hits make the weapon cause the Vaporified debuff

[gaunt crystal]

why must ranger lose more stuff

[plush flame]

because it deserves nothing

[gaunt crystal]

[plush flame]

you have superradiant and hellborn, now be happy

[remote maple]

Because r*nger can bite the curb

[gaunt crystal]

melee gets three terra weapons but ig ranger can't

[gaunt crystal]

no

[remote maple]

You have enough op stuff you ungrateful shit

[frail fox]

3?

What’s the third

[plush flame]

terra edge duh

[frail fox]

Clearly

[gaunt crystal]

botanic piercer, terra blade, and the stygian shield

[plush flame]

thats scoria

[frail fox]

How is Stygian shield a terra weapon lmao yeah

[gaunt crystal]

also removing the vernal bolter would just mean the lunarian bow doesn't get an upgrade

[gaunt crystal]

living shards

[plush flame]

life fruit are terra

[frail fox]

That’s just a donor recipe moment not anything serious

It uses Ornate shield even

[drowsy plank]

^

[frail fox]

Also about that vernal bolter suggestion that has a 0% chance of passing but yeah

[gaunt crystal]

good

[remote maple]

The what

[plush flame]

i hope it goes through just to spite everyone who likes rang*r

[plush flame]

#suggestions-posting message

[gaunt crystal]

ranger has enough issues, its late pre-hm bow not getting an upgrade would be just annoying

[gaunt crystal]

why do people hate ranger

[remote maple]

The fuck is vernal bolter

[plush flame]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Vernal_Bolter

[frail fox]

Old weapon

[remote maple]

Oh

[gaunt crystal]

a bow on the same tier as the plantation staff and terra blade

it's the terra bow

[glass arch]

we dont need infinite upgrade lines

it is, despite what you may think, perfectly acceptable for something to Not Have A Direct Upgrade

[drowsy plank]

it would be kinda weird to randomly remove the entire heavenly gale line ngl

and like

[glass arch]

just skip that step

[drowsy plank]

the whole point of miracle matter weapons is most of them are elemental upgrades

and those are upgrades to the terra weapons

[frail fox]

Remove Terra Blade >

[drowsy plank]

i would much rather the weapon just be

made interesting

[glass arch]

i dont like the infinite upgrade lines cal has i really really dont

[remote maple]

Yes

[gaunt crystal]

it's odd that ranger would be the only one out of an entire category to not get one

[glass arch]

cal has kinda designed itself into a corner with them because half the identity of a lot of weapons is that they upgrade into a more interesting weapon later on or that they upgraded from something else so you cant ever remove any of them because doing so breaks the precedent you've forced yourself into

[drowsy plank]

i mean sure but... heavenly gale??? that's that line you pick to snipe?

[frail fox]

Well you could ideally pick a weapon that isn’t the core of the Ultimate Weapon of your Journey line but regardless, yesh

[gaunt crystal]

like

[glass arch]

i didnt even look at the upgrades to it ngl i looked and saw it was a terra bow and saw the functionality and thought "you need to go"

[remote maple]

Why

[gaunt crystal]

oh this reminds me

[drowsy plank]

and not the terra spear?

[remote maple]

The fucking what

[keen zodiac]

exo spear shall be real

[glass arch]

i filtered by ranged weapons because my last 2 suggs were melee weapons

[gaunt crystal]

what would replace the vernal bolter for the planetary annihilation?

[plush flame]

elemental lance is fine we can't let it go

[drowsy plank]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Botanic_Piercer

[keen zodiac]

when the point vanishes

[frail fox]

So true

[drowsy plank]

ele lance is quite possibly one of the worst weapons ever created

[frail fox]

Too iconic

[plush flame]

i have genuinely never seen anyone have this in their inventory before

[keen zodiac]

exo shiv

[drowsy plank]

i can concede nadir is cool but that's it

[frail fox]

Imagine a spear

Yeah

[remote maple]

Oh it crafts into nadir eventually

[frail fox]

It’s funny how Elemental shiv was kept alive solely because of Starlight

[drowsy plank]

nadir isnt a miracle matter weapon so you can change its recipe without incident

[glass arch]

it really does just feel like a lot of cal items cant be removed because their identity is that they upgrade into something that has the identity of it upgraded from that first thing

[remote maple]

Oh

[frail fox]

Exo Spear in 2030

[keen zodiac]

true

[glass arch]

like can anybody tell me what vernal bolters identity is aside from "it upgrades from lunarian bow and upgrades into planetary annihilation"

[gaunt crystal]

where you see a problem I see consistency

[keen zodiac]

consider: give it an identity instead of removing it

[gaunt crystal]

also

vanilla does a pretty similar thing

[glass arch]

or just remove it because terra ranged weapon already exists elsewhere

[keen zodiac]

there can be multiple

[gaunt crystal]

then remove a terra melee

[glass arch]

yeah im

not opposed to that

i explicitly said that the reason i didnt suggest to remove the terra spear is because i wasnt looking at melee weapons that time

[gaunt crystal]

also

could we like

not be trigger happy about removing weapons solely because they're part of a weapon chain?

they're already reworking a lot of stuff

[glass arch]

that wasnt even why i suggested to remove it

[keen zodiac]

yeah that's kinda weird

suggest removing actual irredeemable weapons
like all of permafrost's

[gaunt crystal]

iirc aren't all of the galactic singularity weapons being reworked?

[glass arch]

if you read the suggestion i said its because ranged doesnt need another terra weapon
the weapon line thing is a different related issue that i only brought up because cog had mentioned its in an upgrade line and it cant be removed because of that

[gaunt crystal]

: (

[keen zodiac]

yeah
except ark and superradiant

[frail fox]

Remove every ice weapon because it’s getting too hot

[gaunt crystal]

I like the frostbite blaster

[gaunt crystal]

e.g.

the terra blade

just it's on a shorter chain because vanilla progression is shorter

[glass arch]

and it can work if its limited and not 10 different weapons with that same identity per tier

[gaunt crystal]

for starters

they don't

[remote maple]

How fucking dare you

[gaunt crystal]

it's 2 weapons in that specific chain that share a similar function

then it becomes an airstrike

[indigo yacht]

global warming

[tardy geyser]

Having only one or two weapons of each class per themed set would be ideal imo. Like empress' drops for example. The terra stuff is fine, but like pbg has 4 ranged weapons lmao

[indigo yacht]

remove all weapons

[frozen kite]

[glass arch]

i think i wasnt saying my point in the best way
what i mean is
lets take planetary annihilation. remove daedalus stormbow and its identity doesnt change. thats fine
but if you remove vernal bolter, suddenly planetary annihilation loses a lot of its identity
rather than having an identity of its own, its identity is currently tied to a specific one of its materials, the same going for essentially every terra and elemental and miracle matter weapon

[gaunt crystal]

mfw the gun themed boss with a ranger armor set drops ranger weapons

[glass arch]

its not gun themed

[gaunt crystal]

did you miss all the rockets and literal nuke?

[glass arch]

those. are not guns

[gaunt crystal]

also does it not fire weird laser plague bullet things?

[glass arch]

no

[gaunt crystal]

I'm pretty sure she does

[glass arch]

you would be wrong because she doesnt she has stingers due to being queen bee 2

[gaunt crystal]

til those are stingers

somehow

[tardy geyser]

Plague reaper armor is pre pbg though, its themed around the plague itself not the boss.

And Im not saying she shouldnt drop ranged weapons, just 4 is too many for one boss.

[glass arch]

4 is too many when there are 12 weapons in total

[tardy geyser]

clearly give her 3 more magic weapons, 2 more summoner and rogue weapons, and 1 more melee weapon to balance it out

[errant wren]

obviously, every boss should have a drop for every subclass

[crude geode]

Where did your virus go

[errant wren]

i didn't say cl-

[crude geode]

Gottem ggs

[errant wren]

i still didn't write it

[crude geode]

Damnit

Anyways nurse cheese is one of the mechanics of all time

What’s the stance on teleport cheese nowadays? I recall something happening with it or against it

[errant wren]

nurse should just start chucking needles at the player for a minute when they pay while a boss is alive

[crude geode]

True

[last shard]

Imo it's fine, because in the same vein as nurse it's like, the player is already showing they're taking some very deliberate steps to basically not play the game for the boss(es)

Like, removing that is probably gonna affect less players than expected since they can just use other mods like Dragonlens for less effort

Even as "legitimate" in a vanilla cal run it's just kinda there.

[obsidian nova]

Okay I've (almost) finished my mana upgrade suggestion, what do you guys think?

Add a fourth permanent mana upgrade post-Calamitas Clone/Plantera
This would not only help with consistency by evening out the number of permanent life upgrades and permanent mana upgrades, but also help with their spacing. While life upgrades are placed pretty consistently throughout the progression of the mod, the first two mana upgrades are very spaced out, with the first one being available immediately after entering hardmode and the second one only becoming available right before moonlord. Therefore, I think it would be optimal (replace this word) to add another mana upgrade to bridge the gap. As for the point in progression where it could be added, I think an optimal spot would be after defeating the Calamitas Clone and/or Plantera, with these two bosses marking the middle point of hardmode.

[coral carbon]

ideal would be a good replacement word

[obsidian nova]

Thanks

[keen zodiac]

if it was post plant it could be spectre themed

post calclone is just slightly too early imo

[coarse flare]

i kinda feel like it whould be a “great” idea to add more boots that dont use wings.

[fleet grotto]

I don't think any more boots need to be added

[echo leaf]

Angel Treads work fine and are splashable onto any setup

[vocal wedge]

Clearly we need boots that give you a bonk dash.

[fleet grotto]

and fairy boots are a good defensive option

what else do you want from boots

offense??

[echo leaf]

fairy boomts my beloved

[fleet grotto]

spiky shoes

[echo leaf]

yeah we have that it's called DEFENSE

[vocal wedge]

Hover Boots.

[glass arch]

hellfire treads

[fleet grotto]

okay i guess so

[errant wren]

alternate line for boots that's just flying carpet

[drowsy plank]

demon boots have been a planned thing for a while

i dont think we need any more than that

[last shard]

Unironically

Permanent Step Stool effect but increased horizontal move speed

Compensated by the fact the player could have lower decel

[indigo yacht]

this is basically moon lord legs

[last shard]

But but- maybe make it more like super short permanent Marnite Lift? So it works like a hover with limited height off the ground, which could be decent for casual exploration in spots with rougher terrain or a build project?

[plush flame]

wow! statigel ench

[frozen kite]

i uhhhh

[drowsy plank]

@frozen kite that's a great idea you should go make it yourself

i have no idea why this would be something calamity makes officially

you need look no further than infernum to see replacing sprites is already possible

[frozen kite]

is CTP not an official thing?

[drowsy plank]

it is considered official but like, they could make it if they wanted it to exist, and if calamity wanted to resprite those items, it would just yknow

do it

[frozen kite]

fair

taking down ts then

[keen zodiac]

bot alive 🎉 🎉 🎉

[grave zinc]

@last shard - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Colossal Squids from T3 Abyss.]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@indigo yacht - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Inform players of Calamity vanilla balance changes on weapons and equipment]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[oblique birch]

wow informating balance changes might actually be coming

[last shard]

Can't blame them lol

[half imp]

the wings on tracers are toggleable next update

so you can use them as just boots if you want

[coarse flare]

nice

[indigo yacht]

wow crazy i did not already know of this decision before this notification!!!

[indigo yacht]

idk to what extent but at the very least there will be stat differences

[gilded citrus]

Wait someone asked for vernal bolter to die

[glass arch]

yes i did

[keen zodiac]

🍅 🍅 🍅 🍅 🍅

[gilded citrus]

Why not heavenly gale and planetary obliterator or whatever its called as well

[indigo yacht]

we should kill all weapons

[echo leaf]

all rang*r weapons first

[glass arch]

i forgot they were part of the upgrade line

[keen zodiac]

[drowsy plank]

@fleet flume to be fair, bladecrest is already balanced around the skeletron tier because that's when ur supposed to go to crags

the only difference would be removing the ability to obtain it early

[fleet flume]

It’s from hell by the way

not brimstone crags

[drowsy plank]

the chest that guarntees it is in the crags and you're not suppose to go to hell until post-BoC (in vanilla hellstone is balanced post-skele so that would be even worse for your point)

so farming demons for it pre-boss would take a lot of effort

[fleet flume]

Well I did go there and it dropped in like fifteen minutes

Short trips there that may happen over time make it likely to drop early

[drowsy plank]

why would you be going to hell pre-boss besides specifically farming bladecrest anyway
and at that point ur just choosing to go after it on purpose

actually wait a minute this would be something for #1178515062030348308 anyway

[fleet flume]

You might want to:
• Build an arena
• Build a base
• Loot things like potions from pots
and others that I might not think of

[drowsy plank]

why would you be building an arena in hell preboss

[keen zodiac]

none of those are reasons to go to hell preboss

or even post eoc

[fleet flume]

Those potions are pretty good

and hellfire arrows

[keen zodiac]

those are very much not necessary

[fleet flume]

Hard not to go at some point, even without great reasons

[indigo yacht]

your first trip to hell is intended to be post evil boss

[drowsy plank]

^

[indigo yacht]

you can go early if you want

[frail fox]

Bladecrest’s drop chance is gonna be reduced until post-evils next update

[indigo yacht]

but it'll be less forgiving

[frail fox]

And it’s removed from the chest too

[fleet flume]

In my opinion it is too overpowered to be available at all at this stage

It may be a balance issue

I’ll move it to #1178515062030348308 right now

[keen zodiac]

it'll get rejected there too

[fleet flume]

Why?

[keen zodiac]

we've told you like 6 reasons why it's unnecessary and doesn't really work

[fleet flume]

It is very clearly not unnecessary to move it—I know as it causes problems for me personally

I didn’t intentionally farm for it

and this has happened multiple times

And intentions in development don’t matter if that is not how it works in practice

Of course people will go to the underworld before they are intended to

[frail fox]

Again, this is addressed next update (along with a rework) unless I’m missing something

[fleet flume]

I know it’s reduced but still in my opinion it should be removed, unless the rework changes it completely

making my suggestion irrelevant

[frail fox]

Well it’s a complete rework so yes

[fleet flume]

Right nevermind

looking forward to it

[frail fox]

No more homing projectile sword pre-boss

[worthy lintel]

no more sword projectiles

make melee actually melee

[half imp]

I can fix that

But I won't

[frail fox]

Pre-boss grape beer

[drowsy plank]

would be funny....... if you did tho............

[crude geode]

Homing projectile swords preboss are incredibly cringe

Honestly you could also say it about pre-hm in general

[lucid marsh]

Eugh... Yeah...

Homing, Projectile, and Swords. Pick at most two of these things.

[errant wren]

homing sword

[crude geode]

homing sword

[errant wren]

it just yeets you at the enemy

[lucid marsh]

Yeah

Perfect

[glass arch]

homing sword (resprited magic mirror)

[obsidian nova]

It's r*nger actually

[echo leaf]

whichever one it is i dont want them anymore

[hollow shell]

(oh thank god)

[echo leaf]

Blessed

I hate bladecrest oathsword so fucking much

[oblique birch]

Bladecrest and Old Lord becoming incredibly based

can't fucking believe it

[indigo yacht]

imagine old lord but without the homing projectiles that it has for some reason

[echo leaf]

prayge

i wish I had nitro

[obsidian nova]

They're getting reworked in SSO from what I remember, right?

[royal tapir]

Thanks for your wisdom the meower

[indigo yacht]

meow

[wintry wave]

Providince is too easy, double the projectiles

[indigo yacht]

fight her at night

[wintry wave]

thats what im saying

not enough projectiles

[vague bramble]

Play for the worthy or get fixed boy or smt

Or just play infernum and do her at night

[drifting arch]

Make lunatist cultist harder

[vague bramble]

He's fine as he is

[drifting arch]

No

Needs more clones

[vague bramble]

Oh and your suggestion got deleted gg

[drifting arch]

I deleted myself

It got a red check lol

[vague bramble]

Yes because it wasn't done correctly

[drifting arch]

why you hateing man 🙁

[indigo yacht]

well you see there are these things called rules

they're outlined in the suggestions document in the channel description/pins

[drifting arch]

stop bullying meeee

🙁

[tame hare]

guys can someone tell me how does the suggestion votiong works?

[crude geode]

[tame hare]

ight thx

[candid magnet]

why am i banned from streaming
i made 2 bad suggestions
i repent
gimme perms back

[keen zodiac]

warned role expires in like

6 months iirc

[candid magnet]

💀

doomed

[keen zodiac]

wait it's 1 month

[candid magnet]

im finna be done infernum legendary by then

prob

[keen zodiac]

you need to wait 6 months to appeal a ban is what i was thinking of

[golden sonnet]

That would be funny

[candid magnet]

remove my warneddddd

👉 👈

🥺

[coral carbon]

begging to have it removed is how it gets extended iirc

[olive saddle]

the best solution is to read and dont commit a crime in the first place!

[indigo yacht]

@alpine dawn already happening

[alpine dawn]

cool

[obsidian nova]

So, are you going to delete your submission?

[glass arch]

the nefarious essence of eleum

[hollow idol]

yeah, its good for farming eleum

[last shard]

I mean Eleum doesn't even need the event, and is already quite easy to farm

Wouldn't that still be good for like, any form of early HM routing? Even if the drops are just weaker reskins of like, Psycho Knife, a random automatic, and consumable Snowball or giving Santa Claus trees a buff to NPC happiness

something

[glass arch]

i feel like it being early hm is exactly the issue

[last shard]

I mean where else do you put it

Pre-HM?

Doesn't fix it's lack of value

[glass arch]

adding more to it doesnt fix the issue of its in a really bad place in progression

[indigo yacht]

what does the second paragraph of this suggestion mean

[glass arch]

"i would be fine if you just killed frost legion and put it in frost moon"

[last shard]

^

probably should cut that actually...

[glass arch]

yes

you really should

[indigo yacht]

yea

[last shard]

Just did

[indigo yacht]

the calamity devs don't remove vanilla content even if it's bad

(you win this round deerclops)

[last shard]

I mean, imo it's fine wherever it is because your only reasons to do it is

• renewable snow
• Hyper-farming Essence of Eleum (maybe for bulk making Elumplate?)
• Santa Claus decorative drops

[indigo yacht]

make it prehardmode

for no reason in particular

[last shard]

Wherever you put it matters not, since I don't think there's a single useful drop for an incentive to do the event regardless of progression

[indigo yacht]

you can shimmer the snow globes for free souls

i think

[last shard]

I mean yeah, 5L and 5N

[indigo yacht]

?

[last shard]

5 Souls of Light and 5 of Night

But even then, that means you're either playing during Christmas and just doing WoFless (can it even be shimmered like Roxcalibur in Pre-HM?) skipping the event

Or you're post-Frost Moon which... why would you even do frost legion at that point or need the souls anyway

[last shard]

I still stand by it though

Snow ballas would be funny to see in that event

[indigo yacht]

you mean, of night?

anyways free souls as in you dont have to put in any effort to getting them

my least favorite part of early hardmode is soul grinding

[last shard]

I'm stupid, yeah

[polar bison]

Do I ping admin for this

[vestal crater]

I contacted mod mail with this message in another chat

Nothings been done yet

[vestal crater]

Ok modmail dealt with it

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, they caught us at a time of inactivity

Normally we or the bot get those pretty fast

[severe sparrow]

what was it

[vocal wedge]

A bot.

[severe sparrow]

ah ok

i assume advertising?

[vocal wedge]

No.

Bots that do that direct message people.

[severe sparrow]

oh
i see

[vocal wedge]

I believe it was asking people to contact them for a business thing.

[tepid crown]

i mean technically it was advertising

[vocal wedge]

Obviously, there is no business.

[tepid crown]

just

yknow

not advertising something beneficial in any way whatsoever

[remote maple]

What if slings

[indigo yacht]

there was no merit to cirrus' dress two extra alcohols was not good enough to warrant going without a chestplate

[errant wren]

wasn't it decent for nohitting or am i hallucinating

[tepid crown]

there was merit back in ye olde days

[indigo yacht]

nah

i mean maybe a long time back

[half imp]

this is vague enough that I can just mark it as finished technically

[hollow shell]

Good suggestion, armor mixing is cool

[drowsy plank]

im ngl i disagree almost entirely with armor mixing being cool lmao

wow instead of a unique and thought out set bonus you get... a bunch of numbers

it's like the antithesis of interesting terraria design

the singleton armor pieces only get a pass because they're in pre-hardmode and are basically set bonuses but on a single piece of armor

i guess that is supposed to be the tradeoff but it would be way easier to just have them be like, normal armor sets, yknow?

[half imp]

Counterpoint: the point of terraria is to be a sandbox

Forcing armor sets to only be good without mixing is the antithesis of that

[crude geode]

^

[drowsy plank]

that's not a counterpoint to it not being lame as fuck

[half imp]

the entire point is to build and play how you want

[drowsy plank]

yes that is obviously true, but that doesn't make it any more uninteresting

[half imp]

to you, perhaps, but other people find mixing more interesting than most of the set bonuses (like me)

[drowsy plank]

my point is that armor mixing isn't interesting, while armor set bonuses as least have the option to be

[half imp]

Even some of the cool set bonuses I would leave to armor mix if I am going for something specific

[drowsy plank]

because they can be mechanically complex, while armor mixing is basically just trying to find the highest numbers available to you at the time

[half imp]

and some people very much enjoy that playstyle

why is it a problem for that to be an option?

[drowsy plank]

that's fine, that doesn't make it interesting though

[half imp]

Interesting is entirely subjective

[crude geode]

Min maxing is a playstyle for a reason

[drowsy plank]

are the current elemental class accessories interesting

are emblems "interesting"

[half imp]

actually yes I have found emblems - especially avenger - as interesting parts of builds I've made

[drowsy plank]

are they individually interesting items

[half imp]

it doesn't matter if they're individually "interesting" on their own, what does matter is if they player finds using them interesting or worthwhile

none of these are in a vacuum

[indigo yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1089409474160234596.png

[drowsy plank]

that's not true, there are definitely accessories that can have interesting gameplay alone, and there are obviously more that are interesting in the synergies that can be made with them, my point is that the items, individually, are not interesting, because the interesting part of avenger emblem is its role in the accessory system, not because 15% damage alone is in any way a compelling effect that actually makes you think

armor mixing, most of the time, is just reducing the armor pieces down to emblems

in which the optimal way to design around them is to just find the biggest numbers and putting them together

that's not interesting set building, that is inherently boring

[half imp]

again that's an entirely subjective statement

[wispy wraith]

@echo leaf btw another thing you could add is shroomite helmet when using ranged weapons that dont use ammo

such as pulse rifle and superradiant

[half imp]

there is actually more armor mixing options than these in this list

that are decently worth using

I think the biggest offender is the overcorrection on ooa gear

[indigo yacht]

i like armor mixing because it can let you approach the game in a new way

[half imp]

My opinion is that set stats should be on the pieces and set bonuses should be the unique effects of the set

[crude geode]

I also think trying to condense armor into one singular piece is, in itself, boring. Which is what 99% of post ml armors do imo, because so much of their value is tied to set bonuses

[echo leaf]

That doesn’t have to be the case
Omega Blue Chestplate for example disables life regeneration
Not the set bonus
If you wanted life regeneration removed but didn’t want the set bonus… there you go i guess

[indigo yacht]

is this a toxic heart thing

[echo leaf]

it could be

[half imp]

mollusk armor in 2.1 has the slowdown split between all 3 pieces for example

[echo leaf]

[indigo yacht]

doesn't it already have that

[echo leaf]

No

[half imp]

Technically yes but not really

Not the real slowdown

[echo leaf]

The multiplicative slowdown is a set bonus

[indigo yacht]

oh

[echo leaf]

The shellplate and shelleggings just lowered movement speed but that didn’t really do anything

[errant wren]

maybe some stuff that is usually set-exclusive could be moved to one of the pieces

[half imp]

I personally agree very much with the idea that set bonuses are reserved for unique effects

[indigo yacht]

wait i have an idea for a better solution to this

[half imp]

That's how most of the sets except ores are in vanilla

[indigo yacht]

remove armor from the game

[errant wren]

peak

[echo leaf]

the OOA sets could potentially have the armor stat bonuses divided somewhat equally among multiple pieces

[half imp]

I think the single most interesting armor in the entire game is moon lord legs

[echo leaf]

hell yeah

[crude geode]

Fr fr

[indigo yacht]

can we have more mobility focused armors

[half imp]

specifically because it forces you to trade a set bonus and defense

[indigo yacht]

that suck for offense but are cracked for mobility

[half imp]

but you get its own boosts

[indigo yacht]

maybe not as good as mll but

[echo leaf]

reaver visage

[half imp]

Yes

[indigo yacht]

[echo leaf]

the silly little hat inexplicably making you super fast??? hell yeah

[half imp]

wait how much of the movement is on visage

reaver visage + mll...

[crude geode]

Mage set is one of my favorites because it forces you to try and fill the last slot (tho I’m usually extremely lazy and just fill it with jungle)

[errant wren]

beetle reworked to give a really bad omnidirectional dash

[indigo yacht]

im ngl I've never understood the hype for this thing, like it makes you move somewhat faster and what else

[echo leaf]

makes you somewhat faster

[indigo yacht]

i don't usually use wings so those bonuses mean nothing to me

[half imp]

dash cooldown my beloved

[indigo yacht]

the jump speed is nice i guess

[half imp]

deep diver with reaver armor is so fun

[indigo yacht]

the hook speed is genuinely nonexistent i cannot notice it at all

[wispy wraith]

me too

[half imp]

It's there but it's hard to notice yea

[indigo yacht]

i see people call it the primary use of the set LITERALLY HOW

[wispy wraith]

like i do not like how it got turned from overtuned to completely useless

[half imp]

ooa gear is not useless

it's still very overtuned just only as a full set now

[echo leaf]

ooa gear is incredibly strong

[crude geode]

OOA is one of the vanilla decisions of all time

[indigo yacht]

kill ALL sentries

[echo leaf]

NOOOOO

[errant wren]

what if we made it so you could craft armor sets and related items into accessories

[indigo yacht]

no

[crude geode]

What if we crafted you into an accessory

[half imp]

what if I made a moon lord legs accessory

moon lord's aglet

[crude geode]

Isn’t that just aero stone

[half imp]

? no

Aero Stone is just flight time

[errant wren]

strongest item in modded terraria history

aka i break computers

[hollow shell]

They could
could
move some armor set bonus effects the onto individual pieces, to make it less of a numbers minmax and more of a mechanical synergy thing

afaik there are still several armors where the set bonus grants several disparate effects rather than a singular cohesive one

[errant wren]

didn't i kinda say that

meh oh well

[indigo yacht]

im just saying. prismatic armor's 2% jump speed is on the leggings not the set bonus

[hollow shell]

true yeah, missed that

[novel belfry]

i remembered a suggestion on the terraria forums that asked for set bonuses to be modular, i.e. having 1 armor piece of a set give a weaker version of that set bonus, 2 giving a slightly less weaker version, and 3 giving the full set bonus

[keen zodiac]

that's how it works in hypixel skyblock for most sets

[tiny minnow]

Yes but that’s Mine-craft.

[vocal wedge]

This is like the opposite of calling Spider-Man Spiderman.

[drowsy plank]

Spiders-Man

[mystic sandal]

good suggestion

i think more set mixing would buff a lot of classes in hm, notably ranger

[vocal wedge]

Now I'm reminded that Multi-Class armour is a thing, and Vanilla uses it like, once outside of the OOA armour. And Calamity also uses it like once.

[fleet grotto]

hell calamity also removes the multiclass potency of ooa armor

so there's even less

[half imp]

Not really?

It's still the same stats

it's just moved to the set bonus

[remote maple]

Yeah

[olive saddle]

if only frost armor wasnt so ass 💔

[fleet grotto]

yes which means it can't really give armor mixing
sorry that's what I meant not multiclass

[half imp]

At

Ah

[last shard]

I disagree since these effects can be comparable to individual Armor pieces treated like accessories

We still consider like, Shackle not a very great accessory statwise

[olive saddle]

now that you mention it accessory sets sound kinda neat in concept

[last shard]

Because it's just flat defense

[glass arch]

i think like thats the interesting part

[last shard]

But that doesn't mean effect pieces like Reaver Helm (Mining) with the upcoming removal of Sea King's Blessing buff wouldn't be welcome as a trade off for not having a "full set" bonus

[glass arch]

you're forsaking an (often times really good) set bonus for raw stats

[vocal wedge]

It sucks in a unique and innovative way.
And considering when you get it there are still worse options.

[glass arch]

ive done it before and i do still enjoy it

[last shard]

As long as some armors are reworked gently to have better individual effects, I see armor mixing as pretty great especially in transitory phases of the game with multiple paths or ores to choose from, like Pre-Post Mechs in HM or later Pre-HM

[glass arch]

its also not as much of a handicap if you need better armor pronto but dont have the materials to make a full set at once

[last shard]

Again, especially if we're amping up the use of debuffs and terrain troubles as well- losing a set bonus to capably handle yourself in those places comfortably is a good trade

(Again- T4 Abyss is gonna be hell on earth without Blessing on breath without the Mining Reaver Helm, Sunken Sea is going to be overhauled and appreciate more water mechanics in armor than just "use victide")

[last shard]

Only one that comes to mind is Reaver iirc

Although maybe Omega Blue? I never used it tho

[vocal wedge]

I was thinking of Gem Tech but Omega Blue is also one I suppose. Then again they're both All-Class rather than Multi-Class like Frost Armour.

[half imp]

Calamity has a couple multiclass sets

fearmonger, forbidden, gem tech

then for all class there's mollusk, astral, omega blue, reaver, etc

[severe sparrow]

and the forbidden one is one of the most obscure pieces of armor in the mod

[half imp]

only because it's horrible right now

[severe sparrow]

is it getting buffed

[frail fox]

Reworked

[echo leaf]

frost armor is a true melee set 👍

[remote maple]

Oh neat

[echo leaf]

ultimately though I don't think that armor mixing should be changed to become meta again, I'm totally in support of keeping the majority of a set's power in the set bonus

But I just don't like that ALL of the power is in the set bonus. A lot of Calamity armor pieces are pathetic on their own

One armor piece for example grants has 3 defense, 10% DR, and 5% class-specific damage

It's summoner's Tarragon Horned Helm

[crude geode]

Less defense than bee armor’s helmet lol

[echo leaf]

The Bee Headgear is 4 DEF, 4% summon damage, and 1 minion slot

lmao

[crude geode]

I feel like a lot of post ml armor sets are like that

[remote maple]

Victide’s Shellmerang sucks

[half imp]

cal is so adverse to putting slots on armor pieces themselves

[crude geode]

Literallyyyyyy

[royal tapir]

I'm like

[royal tapir]

Pretty sure this specific sort of issue got changed by Altix

[half imp]

yeah I think so

but I am not sure enough to say

[worthy lintel]

respectful disagreement in the comments

we love to see it

[distant gyro]

yeah this one post patch shuffle has 10 defense, 25% summon damage, 1 minion slot

(tarragon dr is moved to the chestplate)

[last shard]

Honestly though

Why?

To limit slotmaxxing?

I know slots are generally big DPS upgrades but it can't be that bad a deal

Is it?

[distant gyro]

back in the days of valhalla + astral + spooky being the optimal summoner set by a long shot

overcorrections happened

having more slots than you're supposed to can be huge

[last shard]

O

[median scaffold]

I'm actually terrified by how awful the current stats are in comparison...

[half imp]

About this, the sunken sea pylon actually will be obtained differently than other pylons in 2.1

I'm more inclined to make Sunken Sea Pylon provide water breathing around it than Effigy of Decay working on NPCs, although that would be a solution

[echo leaf]

Oh yaaay!

[last shard]

EoD would work better though for more biomes than just Sunken Sea

Since both Oceans also could use it well, I think.

[drowsy plank]

abyss pylon will surely be real as well

[last shard]

"Who wants to live in the Challenger Deep trench?"

[drowsy plank]

honestly that being the reward for beating whatever the eidolon wyrm superboss is being called at this point would be neat, i think calval already does something like that

[last shard]

What was that one show, something like "You can live in a pineapple under the sea!"

[drowsy plank]

spangbill

[last shard]

Spangbill, right.

[vocal wedge]

It's not a superboss, it's a hidden boss.
All this means is that it's not in boss checklist mods I think.

[last shard]

Maybe like "being outside of water no longer collapses your lungs into fine paté?"

[vocal wedge]

Pressure does that.

Just get stronger lungs, duh.

[last shard]

Yeah rather than water breathing

Just make it so you don't collapse from the non-water pressure

[umbral gazelle]

drowning eternally must be agonizing

[vocal wedge]

It's called having a job I hear.

[umbral gazelle]

the WHAT

[last shard]

A job?

Sounds about right

god I hope I earned enough this month to afford starting therapy

[remote maple]

Why don’t we just use magic and transmute npcs into versions that can survive under de water

[last shard]

Because only Sea King does that

And he pretends to drown anyway

[gaunt crystal]

it does but also the thing they drop is buggy as hell in my experience

I've had it stop working for npcs if I leave the abyss

[drowsy plank]

well that could likely be chocked up to the fact that it is an add-on, not working with the source code

if base cal added it, i imagine it would work a lot better

[glass arch]

well tbf yuh is the owner and i think main programmer of calval so i think hed have access

[drowsy plank]

i meant it might be a bit hard to detour through cal instead of having access to the code natively

which would explain the buginess

[hollow idol]

im surprised it allegedly works on npcs at all, i dont think i programmed thatb, just the player

[gaunt crystal]

You woke me up at 3am

[tardy geyser]

Is there a reason for feller of evergreens to still exist? Like axe of purity could just use axe of regrowth instead.

[half imp]

There is plans for fellergreen

[last shard]

Hey, fellow central timer

[remote maple]

What if binoculars could be upgraded into a weapon

[keen zodiac]

why

[remote maple]

Air strikes

[remote maple]

I want to call gun runs on DoG

[last shard]

Daedalus Stormbow

And variants

[indigo yacht]

atom splitter

[grizzled ocean]

Feller of evergreens exists to get crafted into axe of purity and then inferna cutter so I don't have to care about the existence of destroyer

[remote maple]

That’s an arrow strike

[remote maple]

That’s not a gun run, that’s a javelin.

[grizzled ocean]

Black hawk remote

[remote maple]

That’s a bomber

[half imp]

Halley's Inferno

[remote maple]

That’s not how the Binoculars work

[half imp]

it literally has binoculars functionality on right click

[remote maple]

Not really but whatever

[half imp]

??

[drowsy plank]

what is the difference between sniper scope and binoculars

[tepid valve]

the sniper scope does the exact same thing as the binoculars

[half imp]

The zoom function is identical to that of the Binoculars or the Sniper Rifle,

[drowsy plank]

actually what is the difference im pretty sure they are literally the same effect yeah

[remote maple]

You just hold it instead of needing gun

[half imp]

According to wiki

[drowsy plank]

ok so halley's inferno has the sniper scope effect natively

[remote maple]

I mean it is made with it

[drowsy plank]

so there's your weapon upgrade to binoculars

[tepid valve]

having it on a right click is more convient becuase I for one don't want to deal with binoculars all the time while holding my weapon

[remote maple]

Not really. I just want binoculars to be more useful

[half imp]

I don't think binoculars need a anything to make them more useful

they do their job perfectly fine

[tepid valve]

binoculars are intended to allow you to see farther which help with seeing offscreen attacks sooner but I don't think that you can easily "upgrade" them

you could really only make another set of binoculars?

Would it be interesting to have them as a material for a weapon. Sure? But I genuinely don't see how you can have the exact "hold out and see farther" on a weapon without it being annoying to use.

which is why the rifle scope and its upgrades zoom on a right click so that its not constant

[errant wren]

binoculars shimmer into a sight upgrade

[remote maple]

I’d take it

[indigo yacht]

these binoculars?

anyways enough nohitters glaze them that I'd say they already are useful

[royal tapir]

Needing to see even farther away from my character for whatever godforsaken reason

[indigo yacht]

you dont understand i need to fallgod harder

[royal tapir]

Bad example because it doesn't increase fall speed

🐱

[errant wren]

i mean i meant like, permanent night owl or something

[tepid valve]

why do you think QoL mods exist checkmate purists

[echo leaf]

i fucking love binoculars

they're basically glued to me

[worthy fiber]

I'd love binoculars if they actually dropped

[humble scarab]

same

[remote maple]

Yes

[remote maple]

Real

[glass arch]

i hate binoculars not gonna lie

[tired haven]

I am terrified of people who find themselves in a situation where switching to binoculars is best play

[oblique birch]

I hate the binoculars effect!!!

omg it's so bad

[remote maple]

I’ve actually never used them, mostly because Redgit decided that it would have a drop rate of 2.5%!

[drowsy plank]

ngl that is weird

you could always ask to boost the drop rate

[remote maple]

Seriously tho, there is not a single damn thing justifying that. Hell, it shouldn’t even be a boss drop!

You should be able to craft it with lenses, wood, and gold/platinum!

[mystic sandal]

I’d like binoculars better if it wasn’t a right click

Actually

[remote maple]

They aren’t tho.

That’s just the scopes

For binoculars you just hold them for the effect

“The Binoculars operate similarly to the Sniper Rifle, the Rifle Scope, and its upgrades, but without the need to press ⚷ Open / Activate with a gun being held.”

[mystic sandal]

Is that worded right

[remote maple]

I copy pasted it from the wiki

[mystic sandal]

I mean my suggestion

[remote maple]

Oh then yeah.

[humble scarab]

i mean, its scopes speciality to be able to use binocurals without swaping weapon

i agree that the scope could have its own changeable keybind

but for binocurals, i would leave it as it is

[remote maple]

Also binoculars should be craftable.

[humble scarab]

yea

it would work much better

[mystic sandal]

Binoculars I don’t really care for

They’re a niche utility item

It’s fun to have those

Like Slime Gun

[remote maple]

Like, lenses and wood.

[humble scarab]

i missread

[remote maple]

Maybe gold

[humble scarab]

i thought you meant binocurals and scope

[humble scarab]

lenses wood and gold should be enough

[remote maple]

Set California on fire

[remote maple]

Yeah

It has no right being a rare boss drop

[last shard]

What did(n't?) California do this time???

[remote maple]

Be rather flammable

[indigo yacht]

BOOOOOOO BOOOOOOOOOOOOO (2nd suggestion)

reasoning is fine but introducing crafting recipes for everything is 💔

boosting the drop rate would be better imo

[tardy geyser]

Agreed, or getting it from a structure like a draedon lab or mechanics shack

[remote maple]

Look as long as SOMETHING is done to make it actually reasonable to acquire I’ll be happy

Also binoculars feels like one of those things that you SHOULD be able to craft but can’t. Like Jousting Lance

[frigid fossil]

I didn't even know binoculars were in the game until just now

[echo leaf]

I can’t go ten minutes without binoculars

I love them so much

[last shard]

I propose just remove scope effect

Make it an effect always available to the player

And make binoculars just able to see as far as you want in any given direction like an unbound scope range

[keen zodiac]

❓

[remote maple]

That’s a horrible idea wtf

[last shard]

Revoke player camera control

[remote maple]

No

[last shard]

It now centers on your light pet

[remote maple]

Shut

[last shard]

Upon world creation you'll automatically have the crimson heart pet

Just so the camera can jump all over the place when you move

[last shard]

Give Cultist, Draedon, and Calamitas a new attack that makes your camera center on them or the Brothers during the duration rather than you

Anyone vaguely human sized should be in camera instead of the player

This will surely be good for game health

[frigid fossil]

camera centered at world spawn

[last shard]

Camera centered at last location an enemy was killed

[gilded citrus]

camera centered on mouse

[vocal wedge]

Remove the camera.

[last shard]

That's just scope/binoculars...

[gilded citrus]

camera centered on the opposite of where the mouse is

[last shard]

Fuck yeah

[last shard]

No no we want it to still be usable

[gilded citrus]

mouse always centered on terrarian (YOU) and the camera moves with mouse input

[frigid fossil]

camera centered on primordial light

[last shard]

People won't suffer if they give up immediately

...honestly though

The idea of Draedon or Cultist being able to temporarily rip the camera away from the player sounds interesting

[gilded citrus]

new most hated lunatic debuff
no camera

[frigid fossil]

make bats delete camera on hit

[last shard]

Considering Draedon could just be chained to not travel that far from the player and Cultist could do it if you fail the correct target roulette

And Minimaps still sort of function for basic movement

[lucid marsh]

Camera zoomed out to see the whole world

[oblique birch]

that's actually pretty good

just get a larger monitor

[half imp]

something like this? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406493898341613568/1429172393238073495/Terraria__Now_in_1D_2025-10-18_13-08-46.mp4?ex=68f52c03&is=68f3da83&hm=4f980717b5b655c00da708ecea47f7992ff2b70bb7101b90092c2c4c361de8c3&

[last shard]

Unironically cool as fuck

Now do this with Draedon.

[keen zodiac]

actual peak

make this an addon

[last shard]

Ngl QB and PBG would probably be cool with it, just disjoint it so they're always angled to the top corner of the screen they're not facing

Help make it far more frentic during the dash attacks

Idk

[safe pine]

wait so.. why does someone want to remove Vernal Bolter?

I don't think I understand the reasoning

[indigo yacht]

all weapons are boring and suck

[misty lichen]

13 stars lol

[indigo yacht]

tbh just changing the theme from "kill this weapon" to "rework this item (and conveniently change the theming/tier)" would probably have made it more palatable

say something about how "vernal bolter is boring and because of wildfire bloom is just the second living shard weapon, so it should be reworked to have it's own identity'

[drowsy plank]

this probably isnt going to happen

[keen zodiac]

golem is completely unrelated to the plague

the fact it shows up after it's defeated is pure coincidence

[hot condor]

oops

now i just feel like the thinking monkey image

fuck

[keen zodiac]

i do think this part of the lore should be changed, but golem's lore item won't help with that

[hot condor]

right

[hot condor]

i agree it's just that it feels like it's super emphasized on how easy golem is

either that or yharim just hates the lihzahrds

idk lmao!

[keen zodiac]

true but it also makes sense bc yharim is turbo racist

[hot condor]

ok that i didn't exactly know

[keen zodiac]

yeah he hates all religious people

they built a false god

that's like
the worst thing you can do in his eyes

[hot condor]

and that's why he's called godseeker?

or at least that's one of his nicknames

[keen zodiac]

he genocided the gods

[hot condor]

right

[scarlet musk]

#suggestions-voting message wth is ts 😭

me when subclass diversity options

just rework it instead. and please change the sfx

[hot condor]

and also there'd be a gap in the line Heavenly Gale is in

[glass arch]

as i said when i posted it

i forgot that it was part of an upgrade line

[indigo yacht]

"subclass diversity options"

its a fucking bow

ranger only has like 3 subclasses

[glass arch]

and also dont even start bows do not count as a subclass that needs diversity there are around ten bows at that stage in progression alone

[scarlet musk]

flamethrowers too

[scarlet musk]

i wish bows were interesting weapons

[indigo yacht]

ok anyways my point is bows are everywhere

[scarlet musk]

my bow only run was the most boring shit i have ever done in this mod

the arrows were more fun than the bows

[indigo yacht]

🔥 ✍️

[glass arch]

cal has 40 bows on its own yeah on top of vanillas 32

[scarlet musk]

every single bow sucked except for ultima, telluric glare, and phangasm

the clockwork bow was fine

the arrows were very fun though, icicle and elysian were my favorites

icicle arrows are fucking awesome

verium bolts are fine, they're just needletick

vanquisher arrows are also fine

cinder arrows were a nice change of pace from normal arrows at that point in progression

elysian arrows are really really awesome, i love how they barrage stuff with a ton of aoe

either those or icicle ones were my favorites

[lucid marsh]

Even guns are more fun than bows

[scarlet musk]

speaking of, hailstorm bullets have got to be my favorite in the whole mod

[lucid marsh]

And the guns aren't that good

[drowsy plank]

clockwork and heavenly gale are prolly the most interesting bows imo and it's just bc they're charge weapons

[scarlet musk]

elemental bow rework with that one concept art is dead, yeah?

[drowsy plank]

everything else is just an M1 weapon besides shellshooter but shellshooter sucks bc all it is is slow heavy projectile

[scarlet musk]

projectiles can be slow, but they'll never feel heavy unless they have some kind of build up or impact to them

[drowsy plank]

it has incredibly high gravity

[scarlet musk]

"heavy"

[drowsy plank]

i dont what the fuck you think heavy means but yes gravity effecting it more is what heavy would mean

[scarlet musk]

pound of feathers pound of steel ahh question

[indigo yacht]

shellshooter makes me want to dispose of myself

this mortal coil is limiting

[drowsy plank]

a pound of steel will fall faster than one feather which is what every other arrow is comparatively because it reaches terminal velocity faster and experiences less air resistance

that is what shellshooter is to every other arrow

[scarlet musk]

a pound of steel will fall faster than a feather because it has less drag

[glass arch]

throwing a rock vs throwing a ball of paper

[scarlet musk]

they would. fall at the same speed.

[glass arch]

if they're both of equivalent mass and similar size yeah

[scarlet musk]

the mass. doesn't matter.

[glass arch]

mass is connected to weight so yes it does matter

[scarlet musk]

neither the mass nor the weight have anything to do with how fast objects fall

only the size/shape does because it determines surface area and drag

[glass arch]

no those very much do have to do with how fast things fall

[scarlet musk]

no... no they don't...

[glass arch]

also

see the second half of the message

"and similar size"

[scarlet musk]

i already addressed that

this conversation is making me lose brain cells

[errant wren]

similar size does mean the masses would be different, methinks

[scarlet musk]

no not necessarily

[glass arch]

not entirely because density

[errant wren]

unless you have heavy paper for some reason

why are we even talking about this actually

this stemmed from like

[glass arch]

mindless pedantry

[errant wren]

bows

[scarlet musk]

because the shellshooter arrows are described as heavy even though they just fall faster or something idk i dont use shellshooter

[glass arch]

but yes there is an important distinction to be made from something being heavy vs something being impactful

and i think you were complaining about the latter while wording it as though it was the former

[scarlet musk]

i understand that in a video game where intuitiveness is more valuable than accuracy, describing a projectile that falls fast as heavy is better than saying it falls fast

im just saying that it doesn't make sense

[glass arch]

mindless pedantry

[scarlet musk]

mindless pedantry.

🤝

[vocal wedge]

You do have to account for who is writing the lore items in-universe and the scope of their knowledge.

[keen zodiac]

yharim is the one who released the plague

[mystic sandal]

But I thought he was the king bee

[keen zodiac]

i do not understand

[gilded citrus]

What??

[mystic sandal]

I refuse to elaborate

[obsidian nova]

No it doesn't?

[obsidian nova]

No it's not
Its upgrades are

[obsidian nova]

Doze this mean the axe of purity/inferna cutter are no longer OP?
(Also, will inferna be moved further into progression? Because right now it can be crafted almost immediately after its precursor)

[indigo yacht]

"how do i start an argument about the most insubstantial difference of all time?"
#suggestions-discussion:

[fleet grotto]

"inferna cutter" doesn't use the fire bars

[obsidian nova]

Yeah that's what I was thinking about
(I was also thinking about replacing essences with cores but then I remembered they're being killed in SSO )

[remote maple]

Oh hey my suggestion is actually doing alright in the votes

[fleet grotto]

i think the only issue with it is. how would you lock it behind eoc? using evil seeds? that doesnt really make sense

[drowsy plank]

are you talking about binocular craft bc it wasnt even asking for it to be locked and i cant exactly say i disagree

the effect is so nothing burger you could get it in the starter bag for all i care

[indigo yacht]

remove binoculars from the game

[oblique birch]

Starter Bag will give 1-10 Binoculars based on how many hours you have in Tmod

[lucid marsh]

If you have over 4000 hours it should tell you to touch grass by filling your inventory with grass

[dire snow]

Can someone make a concept for happy chaos’s gun

[lucid marsh]

I don't know what that means

[remote maple]

Honestly I’d be fine with that too. Just SOMETHING to make it actually accessible

[grizzled dome]

Happy Chaos is a godlike figure from Guilty Gear, and, yes, this violates the rule against specific item suggestions. But it's also funnier because Happy Chaos just like... uses a normal gun.

It's not special or magical or anything. It could be, since Happy Chaos invented magic in his canon and is incredibly powerful, but he decided that guns were really cool actually and just actually used those instead.

here's happy chaos's gun: https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Handgun

[zealous aspen]

I think both your and Codename CATs suggestion are pretty valid

Changing binoculars to be an accessory would also give it more versatility

[river lily]

golem's lore item is less so meant to be "guys golem is easy!" and more so meant to be "guys i'm racist!"

😭

I didn't even really associate it being written like that meant to be making fun of how easy of a fight golem is

Don't think it's supposed to be that anyways

[keen zodiac]

it's both probably

[drowsy plank]

i might be hallucinating but i think a rework was already planned where it would let you shoot reaper teeth occasionally at enemies that inflicted a water debuff or smthn

[indigo yacht]

i couldn't find any information about it but if so then I'll delete my suggestion

[frail fox]

There is a rework planned though I don’t remember if it was that exactly

[indigo yacht]

does it make rtn at least somewhat interesting

or is it just stat changes

[median scaffold]

If it were simple stat changes, then it wouldn't be called a rework

[idle dagger]

Rework for it sounds great cause it definitely is boring

[half imp]

Hi

Reaper Tooth has plans

me and sunny are cooking

[half imp]

this is not the current plan

I think our current plan is more interesting than that anyhow

[drowsy plank]

cool, i couldnt remember if it was real or not

[half imp]

I have no idea either but whether or not it was gonna be real

it's probably not going to be anymore

[oblique birch]

in SSO???

[indigo yacht]

epic

[half imp]

dunno yet

[oblique birch]

aight

[indigo yacht]

parries should instantly refill your health to the maximum

but certain attacks should do hard damage that temporarily lowers your ma-

[thorn talon]

your what

[half imp]

true

Attacks should lower your mana

[errant wren]

what if the wulfrum pylon used the vacuum cleaner to steal your mana to heal?

i need to be executed

[indigo yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-mauricio-double-chargeback-coomin-gif-8856747038192764468

[half imp]

genuinely though I do think the parries need a buff

[thorn talon]

guys is there a limit for how many stuff i can write in a suggestion?

[half imp]

yea

[drowsy plank]

yes each suggestion should only tackle one issue

[half imp]

I meant the character limit

[drowsy plank]

you can submit two suggestions at once though

oh right yeah

1k characters

[half imp]

There is a character limit and I think this is too many

[thorn talon]

f

well besides that what do you guys think of the suggestion?

[half imp]

core idea is good, it feels like it needs to be more concisely written

feels like a lot of fluff

[thorn talon]

yeah tried to summarize it a bit more but felt like i needed everything that i wrote to be in there

[half imp]

Try cutting it down to a list of important bullet points first, then use that as an outline

Like, the two main points for the problem I see is

• Usually, when there is time to react and parry, you could simply dodge an attack
• Purposely parrying an attack is usually only good for using the parry's offensive attack, as you still take some damage and lose adrenaline