suggestions-discussion

[last shard]

Usually, however they don't have perfect accuracy at all and will target some enemies inherently

Esp if they kill a Chaotic Puffer

Since those enemies (when puffed) will detonate to hurt nearby enemies and thus can make them hostile as a result

Like again, that generally would just be a good design for the Abyss- if you didn't have a fucking Dungeon Guardian-like enemy just swimming around who also gets hostile from being close to it or grazing it at all

Gulper Eels also fit the "wall-piercing threat" enemy role, and they do so wonderfully with 96k HP

With long bodies able to catch stray or piercing shots easily

But you're not pretty much instantly condemned to die if you hit one

[severe sparrow]

certain weapons that you have access to at this time can shred Gulper Eels (like Brackish Flask, Atlantis, and more)

[last shard]

I know that. They are still able to be dealt with though, is the point.

You're not instantly forced to warp out or die upon making one angry

[hollow shell]

Ostensibly you're meant to avoid fighting them until later

But idk how easy that is in practice

[last shard]

If that's how devs want T3 abyss to be, then enemies as a whole should be way more dangerous here

[hollow shell]

sorry I just saw the sugg and jumped in I'm sure others said the same thing

[last shard]

It's easy enough if just passing through or mining Scoria veins while avoiding all conflict

[severe sparrow]

its hard to make an enemy that acts as both a DG and as something that is meant to be killed for new items later on

[last shard]

But if trying to farm it from enemies from not having any natural veins left, it's much, much more difficult

[vocal wedge]

The Abyss does have a Dungeon Guardian style enemy; Primordial Wyrm.

[last shard]

Yeah, Wyrm's the same way

It's just the T4 abyss DG rather than the T3

(Oddly enough it's also way easier to anger the Colossal Squids than it is Wyrm imo)

Tbh honestly think it'd just be healthier to buff enemies in the layer overall to be more of a consistent danger than having one big enemy who isn't always visible due to cover as a key reason to avoid fights

[keen zodiac]

booooooooooo let the game be hard

i've literally never had a problem with a t3 colossal squid

just don't go right next to them

[last shard]

Ngl it'd be better if like

Enemies as a whole there were buffed up rather than an enemy who's a non-threat if you don't fight at all or a instant death if you accidentally poke it

[keen zodiac]

true

[last shard]

Because by the time you're post-Golem everything else on that layer is a joke, but this one specific enemy is instant death

And this of course, again, is the first layer where killing enemies is actually useful for Scoria as well as Lumenyl/Depth Cells

So like, this is probably the weirdest zone design enemy-wise. Here's an enemy who is more lethal in this zone than Moon Lord, in a post-Golem intended layer, who is the only threat here. And instead of being a "threat" it's "your summon or attack projectile hit something you couldn't see behind a wall and now you're instadead"

It's Dungeon Guardian, not difficulty.

[crude geode]

It’s fascinating because no other zone really. has this design bc everything post golem is just evaporated lmao.

Like Scorn Eaters are about the most comparable thing and even those do actual reasonable damage

[misty lichen]

i do like the strong ass squids sometimes being in the upper layers with the aggression mechanics

like damn that guy is strong i need to not make him mad

they do spawn a lot more than they realistically should for that role though

[crude geode]

I think instantly dying because of stray projectile/summon/puffer dying is a bit. Bullshit.

and on top of that most of the time they’re the only threat in post golem

[last shard]

Tbh I do too

But the zone's got to be more open or not have it's primary rewards be from fighting since like

90% of weapons used for post-Golem are like actually pretty violently large effect

And everything else dies so easily that it makes this random squid just silly

...hehe imagine if post-Polter instead just made Reaver Sharks and Colossal Squids appear as high up as T2

[frosty trellis]

If you're not playing summoner? Not too bad
If you're playing summoner? Good fucking luck

Any T4 miniboss is an automatic death sentence when mining scoria in t3

And it's not hard for a minion to trigger it

[hollow shell]

I see.

[misty lichen]

i don’t know how much this holds up now but layer 3 used to only be for like

lumenyl gathering

so for me it kinda worked atleast since im not trying to fight things unless its for depth cells

[kindred knot]

dog gotta be one of my favorite bosses

possibly the funnest calamity boss so far
yharons also up there

i await the exo mechs

[drowsy plank]

wouldnt it be easier to just reduce the projectile lifetime instead of this weird damage scaling if you think they're out too long

also you dont really explain why you think they're out too long

okay actually @kindred knot what is the reasoning for this
you say the projectiles last too long but you dont give a reason for it. yharon already does 2% self damage every time he does a bullet hell so you really need to explain why you think he needs to be nerfed further or im just going to have to leave this flagged

[kindred knot]

i suppose it'd be easier but then i feel theres less incentive and challenge since you could just.. fly away and take 0 damage at all

get what i mean?

[drowsy plank]

wouldnt you want the projectiles to last longer then...? so it would be more likely to hit people that just fly away

[kindred knot]

no...?

lol

[drowsy plank]

why not

like why do we even need this suggestion in the first place is what im asking

why is the current one not good enough

[kindred knot]

they last to long i feel sometimes making it a bit tedious and annoying to weave between the bullet heals and him directly dashing at you (his contact damage will already sentence you to death), so to add a bit of player control over the fight whilst still aking yharon a threat, the longer these proectiles last the less damage they do

[drowsy plank]

your damage scaling idea still incentives the same kind of play

[kindred knot]

theyll still eixst their entire lifetime

i'd actually change it to keep the debuff just their contact damage

would be lessened

[drowsy plank]

yeah but you'll still want to fly god so you take the least amount of damage

[kindred knot]

you still have to balance the fact theres still a ton of projectiles especially in the later sub phases

and youll still be hit with debuff

[drowsy plank]

wouldnt it be easier to just ask for yharon's attacks to overlap less if this issue is him dashing during a bullet hell?

[kindred knot]

then it becomes simply to easy

theres a good natural stressor between dodging projecitles and yharon

its to simply ease it up by a LITTLE

ie making them do less contact damage yet still apply yhe dragonfire debuff

[drowsy plank]

okay but you're not explaining why this is needed, you said it was like, tedious or something but it's just part of the fight and this damage scaling wouldnt actually change anything

like ok the fireballs do less you still need to do the same patterns

[kindred knot]

"why this is needed"

im pretty sure ive given like

2 reasons now

[drowsy plank]

you're basically just decreasing his damage in general at that point and for what? if there is a problem with his attack pattern, that should be addressed instead of this half measure

your reasons were "it's annoying and tedious"

[kindred knot]

1. its a bit annoying and tedious, mainly alter phases
2. still have to create a balance between yharon still being among the final bosses and enjoyable to fight
3. keep the natural stress between yharon and his projectiles as its GOOD to have

the projectiles wont do 0 damage

they simply deal less

and the debuff

keep in mind if your not good at dodging the damage will STILL rack up

because youll be hit by likely several

[drowsy plank]

you just said the same thing three times

your idea literally changes nothing about the fight, you're just asking for the damage to be lowered because the boss is hard

[kindred knot]

not at all what i stated, stop jumping the gun

also, what does having a natural stress and damage reduction the same thing???

theres genuinely no way lol

also yharon is MEANT to be hard
its just to give the player a bit more control over the fight

ie keep the balance between him being a harder boss, the natural stress, and giving the player more control of the fight

[drowsy plank]

how is this giving the player more control over the fight, the fight is exactly the same but if you run away the projectiles do less damage, which is incentivizing the exact flygodding you said you didn't want people doing earlier

hard boss = natural stress = annoying and tedious
control of the fight = less damage = easier

you are just restating the same point in different ways

look here i can do this in five seconds

[kindred knot]

because you still have to WORRY about dodging just not as much

its not a massive damage reduction

[tepid crown]

if its not a massive damage reduction then theres no point in introducing it

[kindred knot]

lemme pull up the values

okay so 424

dmg on reven

434 on the start of its lifetime -> 220 by the end of its lifetime

by yharon you have... 900??? ish hp at max?

thats still 4 projectiles alone

[tepid crown]

that is a large decrease

[drowsy plank]

what is the point of this

[kindred knot]

yeah atp your just

ignoring it

lol

[glass arch]

you can just say you want projectile damage to be nerfed you dont need to go through all that

[drowsy plank]

you're not saying anything!!!!!

[kindred knot]

not a damage dropoff, it slowly reduced the longer the projectile is alive for

[drowsy plank]

you're nothing making any points you are just asking in a roundabout way for the damage to be reduced!!!!

[kindred knot]

the values would be dependant on the age

[drowsy plank]

WHY

[tepid crown]

yes i know wat ur talking about

[kindred knot]

REDUCED OVER TIME

MY GOD

[tepid crown]

we know.

[kindred knot]

your quite literally ignoring it your actually not real

[drowsy plank]

it doesnt matter if it's all at once or over time what the fuck is it adding to the fight

[kindred knot]

i give up atp

your quite literally

just

not reading

[glass arch]

in most of the cases where this would actually matter it wouldnt do anything

[tepid crown]

it would just make people flygod more

thats wat it would do

[kindred knot]

it still would apply the debuff and 220 isnt anything to exactly scoff at either

[drowsy plank]

i have read it a dozen times you still haven't explained what the actual mechanical purpose of this is besides incentivizing flygodding more

[tepid crown]

220 is certainly something to scoff at since thats like

how much damage cultist does

[kindred knot]

maybe if it was one projectile

especially at the later sub-phases

[glass arch]

iframes

you are ignoring iframes

[kindred knot]

well tbf isnt there gonna be a big rebalance

for reven

[glass arch]

it would be
one projectile at a time dealing that much damage

[tepid crown]

yes he will be doing around 40 less damage

[kindred knot]

it was a rough base value to go off of

[tepid crown]

not

two

hundred.

[kindred knot]

more realistically it'd probably be within the mid-high threehundreds

at the END of the projectiles lifetime

[gilded citrus]

I dont see this really causing a noticeable difference

[glass arch]

even by default you have half a second of iframes thats enough time to get out of the way of projectiles that are going to hit you and if its at the end of the lifespan chances are they despawn like right after the first one hits you

[kindred knot]

it doesnt aim to be a massive change to yharon

[kindred knot]

thats true but there will also be yharon chasing after you and also his other projectiles i believe during p2 after he dashes aswell

[glass arch]

which you can dodge just as well

generally people arent just sitting still taking every hit

[kindred knot]

youd be surprised atleast by the people i know

moving on

its not meant to be massively impactful
its generally meant to give the player more control over the fight ie if they forever reason NEED to tank a projectile aim for the one farthest away as itll do the least damage

unfortunately your still gonna have to eat damage and a debuff for it

[glass arch]

which is just incentivizing flygodding if the whole point is to go after the furthest projectile

[kindred knot]

not having a massive damage dropoff also keeps yharon stressfull as hes typically dashing right at you inbetween the big

[kindred knot]

theres really not a great workaround for fly-godding for yharon

no matter how you put it

[tepid crown]

and your system isnt going to make it better

[glass arch]

and this certainly doesnt help that

it makes it worse

[kindred knot]

what am i supposed to do then

[tepid crown]

plus theres already ways to help the player get more control if theyre in a bad situation

like parries

and rod

[kindred knot]

you could give the projectiles

longer lifespam

and still apply that effect

[tepid crown]

dashes

dodges

[kindred knot]

giving them more reach

[tepid crown]

anything else that isnt just "just rungod and theyll deal less"

[glass arch]

hell even wasd can help

[drowsy plank]

the real issue here is ramdash centric boss design but that's a much bigger issue than just yharon

[kindred knot]

yeah

[crude geode]

[kindred knot]

arent we getting

reworks tho

for a lot of bosses

(please signus)

[crude geode]

500 years

[kindred knot]

that means were still getting one 🗣️ 🔥

[drowsy plank]

how do you dodge a yharon dash in the middle of a flare ring? you ramdash, obviously

that was the real problem here and i was going to get to it Eventually™ but i got busy

[gilded citrus]

Yeah but those arent happening next update

Except for like
Scoog
And
Idk

[kindred knot]

what even is coming next update

[glass arch]

sunken sea overhaul

[kindred knot]

isnt it just a bunch of uh

[drowsy plank]

sunken sea overhaul

[gilded citrus]

Its called sunken sea overhaul so take a guess

[kindred knot]

armor restructuring

[drowsy plank]

and reworking like half the weapons in the game

[kindred knot]

ie statigel going towards uh what was it

[gilded citrus]

Isnt it cooser to 1/7 or 1/6

[tepid crown]

statigel is not getting reworked

[kindred knot]

rogue melee... and i think range?

with summoner and mage going to aerialite

[kindred knot]

no like its focus shifted

[glass arch]

and dog dog is also getting reworked but thats a necessity more than anything

[tepid crown]

like literally every armour uve seen is not getting reworked next update

and whoever told u that lied

the only one thats confirmed for next update is victide

[kindred knot]

dog rework??

im excited for this uh

arsenal armor

[gilded citrus]

Its to make the boss not suck
Its not the final one with the big sprite

#calamity-update-talk message
future content doc

[drowsy plank]

i mean that's just the ones we've seen, like realistically basically everything associated with the sunken sea has probably received changes. and that's not even considering everything that's been removed. like what we're seeing publicly is probably a fraction of what has actually gotten done

[tepid crown]

its 1/7th

also thats like

things from changelogs only

iirc

since i only counted the orios image i think

[kindred knot]

dog lasers being removed...???

idk how i feel about that

depends what its being changed

[gilded citrus]

The entire fight is being reworked so dont see it as the current fight but no lasers

[tepid crown]

it was a change fab forced on dog with no improvement done. another dev saw that and decided to rework dog since it apparently sucked so much

[kindred knot]

i like the lasers honestly
it just depends what the devs do with it since not much information is there

i like the grid part

granted it can be a pain is the rear sometimes

but

its not the worst??? its telegraphed quite well

my biggest gripe with calamity overall is its lack of telegraphing
or when its bad

[gilded citrus]

Diesnt mean it cant be better

[kindred knot]

definitely, i could see why people / devs want its removal

it doesnt fit entirely within the devours aesthetic

[indigo yacht]

make yharon easier to fallgod suggestion

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-posting message I'm late buuut, making easier stuff to dodge deal less damage is a stupid tradeoff

[half imp]

mechanic to encourage just running away from the boss even more

[indigo yacht]

the entire point of the fight is to get past the projectiles not run away from them

yharon used to have a height enrage for a reason, and the fire walls are still there

running away already makes it much easier to weave between fireballs, they shouldn't also deal less damage

[misty lichen]

good sugg

[dense locust]

top 10 suggs of all time

[drowsy plank]

@vital grove no joke suggestions

[dense locust]

1984

[drowsy plank]

8149

[dense locust]

thats a big number

[tardy geyser]

ororge gewell

[dense locust]

is probably rolling in his grave these days

[half imp]

@uneven hemlock infernum is not made by the calamity team

[uneven hemlock]

Oh

Ok so this is a suggestion that has no place here

[half imp]

yea

[keen zodiac]

infernum also isn't getting updates like that anymore

[half imp]

whether or not it's a good idea I physically cannot implement it

[uneven hemlock]

I see
Rip 💔

[gilded citrus]

Did someone want infernum to be consumed into the base mod

[keen zodiac]

they suggested a lower graphics mode for infernum

[vestal crater]

Doesn’t that exist???

[keen zodiac]

i said lower

[vestal crater]

The -er end of lower doesn’t show the baseline of something, only that it is lower

[keen zodiac]

low graphics setting > lower graphics setting

[whole tundra]

it came back right as I posted that

[gilded citrus]

O ok

[uneven hemlock]

…there is one?

[vestal crater]

Low quality mode ye

[uneven hemlock]

Is it in the configurations?

[vestal crater]

Yes

[uneven hemlock]

…one sec

„Reduced Graphical Settings: On“

Rip, I had it on already

[obsidian nova]

Is this Broly

[whole tundra]

Suggestion Bot is offline

[coral carbon]

fork found in kitchen

[golden sonnet]

Evil

[azure scroll]

it wont let me craft the vernal bolter any idea why

[keen zodiac]

extremely wrong chat

[lucid marsh]

Hey so it's fine that the ankh shield is nuked from the other shields but I think it's kinda weird that now there's no good way to get debuff immunities

Especially because some of them suck so much

[dense ferry]

#calamity-update-talk message

[lucid marsh]

Oh cool

[errant wren]

make it a part of the abso- and i went missing without a trace for 28 years

[tardy geyser]

I think giving the player more control over their aggro would be better than just melee armors increasing it, such as love and stink potions increasing and decreasing it respectively. Then the player regardless of class can affect their aggro

[misty lichen]

yeah i don’t know why we decided that melee = aggro

the only vanilla melee armors that increase it are turtle (hyper defense niche), beetle defense (same thing), and solar (same thing)

berserkers glove if you really wanna stretch it but like not really

cal armors with aggro increases realistically should only be like reaver tank and fearmongerer(?)

[humble scarab]

mainly in vanilla, melee = the best defense

cuz he needs to be close to enemy

but

[misty lichen]

turtle armor does kinda end up being all class due to its low offensive bonuses

[humble scarab]

somehow he gets to shoot things from his weapons

[vestal crater]

Shield of Cthulhu upgra-wait that already exists

[errant wren]

ankh armor: it adds immunity to some debuffs before providence and resistance to debuffs up to yharon

[median scaffold]

That's not the Auric Absorber I was hoping for...

[grand vale]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[median scaffold]

This is against the rules

And I don't think it is possible, because a good portion of those items are already in the game or were reworked, and a few other ones will be readded anyways

[gilded citrus]

Dont the legendary items have a lower then normal droprate of 10% compared to other boss items

[fleet grotto]

thtey have 10%

[gilded citrus]

Yeah i said that
The 10% is lower then normal weapon droprates no?

[fleet grotto]

yes,

[vestal cosmos]

Hot take. Calamity should add whips

Rn the best whip is EoL whip

[drowsy plank]

this isn't a hot take calamity is already planning to add them but because, like you said, the Kaleidoscope is viable until SCal, in order to add new whips, the summoner rebalance needs to be done

regardless, i believe some whips might already be implemented in the development version of the game rn

and an aerialite whip is already planned

i believe there's a even a whip teaser already out in the spoiler doc if you look for it

[vestal cosmos]

I think a D.o.G whip could be called "the leash"

And it grabbed enemies with a right click like a leash

Grabs*

[half imp]

no

[drowsy plank]

ok well most of the whips have already been designed and calamity doesn't take specific item suggestions so if you wanna make that yourself go ahead

[vestal cosmos]

Yo UT/DT pfp spotted.

[errant wren]

what if we make the jungle attunements from the biome blade line deal summoner damage if you wear summoner-specific gear

[half imp]

pretty sure the jungle one is dying

[errant wren]

well uh

make it into a whip

snapthorn 2

[grim tusk]

Snapthorn is already a pain in the ass to deal with, why would we make Snapthorn 2

[grim tusk]

the whips that have been teased several times in question:

(still not being added til summoner update)

[vestal cosmos]

I think beating the boss rush should give rewards

Like depending on what class u used for the boss rush (or most of it if u use more than one) it gives you a weapon of that class

And the weapons would be better than ShadSpec

[half imp]

this isn't entirely necessarily true

2.1 has a whip

You get the rock, that's the reward

[vestal cosmos]

What does the rock do

[plush flame]

decoration/trophy

[dense ravine]

getting good weapons after boss rush kinda defeats the purpose

[plush flame]

it gets a more tangible use in souls dlc, that being crafting the sibling motif weapons, eternal armour, and soe

[dense ravine]

shadowspec barely fit a niche imo

[drowsy plank]

shadowspec fits the niche of being the dumpster endgame content goes in

[drowsy plank]

why

great, now i can use my boss rush weapon on uhhhhhh

green slime because there are no bosses left

what's the point

idk what the original design intent was but boss rush is like one of the few things that gives you a reason to make shadowspec weapons and so you have something to use them on

after you beat boss rush new items are meaningless

[errant wren]

commemorative weapons that deal basically no damage but just look really cool sprite-wise

[whole tundra]

Just readd lul after beating Boss Rush smh

[echo leaf]

THE LORDE

[half imp]

Evil Smasher

[hollow shell]

YEEAAHHHH

epic win

(sending this here cuz I know I've brought up this idea here several times)

[keen zodiac]

🎉

[hollow shell]

Laudanum fans rejoice

[tepid crown]

you should also see this :3
#calamity-update-talk message

[vestal cosmos]

EXACTLY

[crude geode]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-morgan-freeman-true-we-have-a-true-get-this-man-a-true-true-gif-8856917097123019081

[odd fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/frozen-freezing-cold-shivering-glace-gif-4206910866563313498

[gilded citrus]

Hot take grass needs water to live

[echo leaf]

brother woah

cool your jets man we dont wanna say things we might regret

[worthy lintel]

whips were a mistake

[errant wren]

hot take: terraria is a video game (pls don't cancel me)

[glass arch]

murdered

[olive saddle]

i feel like aggro existing on melee specific armor sets needs to fucking rot

[tardy geyser]

Agreed

[distant gyro]

guilty

[errant wren]

add aggro to rocket users

[echo leaf]

the aggro is to me (i am attacking them)

[obsidian nova]

Does this already happen?

[idle dagger]

Very interesting stuff!
I am glad the knockback immunity was kept

Seeing ankh maybe going into hide of astrum deus is also cool

[glass arch]

no

theres like one singular source of positive aggro that isnt a melee armor or accessory

[misty lichen]

silksong taunt button

[distant gyro]

erm its called challenge

[gilded citrus]

Aurafarm button

[indigo yacht]

what would they even do

what special stats do flails and yoyos have to be augmented

also if you're going to do it for melee weapons why not also do it for every other class

gun reforges and whatnot

the reasoning on the suggestion is shaky but it's probably not invalid just because of that

[golden sonnet]

idk, it's based on future content, and doesn't really have any reasoning as to why

[crude geode]

It being based on future content should definitely bring it down

[indigo yacht]

i mean that was just stated as the source of inspiration

the problem i see is the idea that these melee "subclasses" are unpopular and that this would make them more popular which i think is just an irrational way of looking at it

people use weapons from all of these subclasses they just don't use only weapons from those subclasses because it makes the game more boring

[golden sonnet]

why is this not killed

automod should catch that

whatever 💥

[indigo yacht]

I don't think calamity should be incentivizing this

[golden sonnet]

@mossy warren I marked your suggestion as invalid due to the fact it uses future content as reasoning, which is against the suggestion guidelines. Additionally, summoner got reforges because it had zero class exclusive reforges, so extending that logic to subclasses does not really follow. It also opens a can of worms, what about gun only reforges, or bow only reforges, or dagger only, or boomerang only, etc.

[drowsy plank]

it also doesnt add anything and makes no sense, since you can already modify those weapons with the existing class reforges too

also since when has a reforge made an option more popular? lmao

[dire warren]

yoyo reforges that can create counterweights i guess?

[drowsy plank]

we have something for that already
they're called counterweights

lmao like i cant think of any way new reforges wouldnt just impede on existing design

if the weapons arent interesting enough, maybe instead of trying to add a global modifier to all weapons, you just try to make them more interesting?

cause all this would do is make the already existing standouts even better, like sulphurous grabber for yoyos and stuff

[humble scarab]

for example flamethrowers were changed and they are 🔥

[drowsy plank]

https://tenor.com/view/vines-funny-uh-yea-i-sure-hope-it-does-gif-15249228

[indigo yacht]

@golden swift this exists already, it's called the drunk world seed

additionally, calamity already adds a sky island containing blocks of the alternate evil and the biome chest

iirc it also allows the dryad to sell evil seeds in phm

also you can just install that one Fargo's mod that adds the same functionality

[plush flame]

bobw is even getting a big update when souls 2.0 drops

[half imp]

and we'll support some of the new bobw features I believe

[oblique birch]

breath of be wild?

[indigo yacht]

bundle of balloons w

[half imp]

best of both worlds

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message becuase they HATE you

[vestal cosmos]

Hot take. The sylvstaff should do more damage

[misty lichen]

you can’t just say hot take before every statement

[errant wren]

hot take: yeah you can

[mystic sandal]

Hot take: words have no meaning

[obsidian nova]

Why though?

[indigo yacht]

hot take: ow ow ow ow ow ow ow ow does someone have a hot pad ow ow ow ow ow

[vocal wedge]

Hot take: Someone stole my Hellstone.

[fleet grotto]

Regulate the title of certain bosses to be more consistent
There are 4 bosses with both their title and their name used:

• Providence, the Profaned Goddess
• Signus, Envoy of the Devourer
• Yharon, Dragon of Rebirth / Resplendent Phoenix
• Supreme Witch, Calamitas
  There are THREE seperate ways the name is formatted:
• boss, title
• boss, the title
• title, boss
  For the sake of consistency, I believe that all of these bosses should have this combination of title and name regulated.

iwcant think of a good reasoning for this

[vocal wedge]

Personally, I think the current formatting is fine, especially when you factor the three with up to date nicknames (not Signus) are unrelated if not opposed to each other so there's no reason they would share naming conventions.

[distant gyro]

rule of iconic striking scal

[vestal crater]

How… calamitous

[golden sonnet]

@sleek quiver No joke suggestions

[sleek quiver]

my bad king 😢

[mystic sandal]

My issue here is that Calamitas, Supreme Witch just sounds significantly less threatening than Supreme Witch, Calamitas

[fleet grotto]

Calamitas, the Supreme Witch

[mystic sandal]

Adding a the does help it out but personally I think title,name would fit pretty well for most of these guys

[fleet grotto]

Dragon of Rebirth, Yharon
Envoy of the Devourer, Signus
I agree

[mystic sandal]

Like Profaned Goddess, Providence still sounds great

[fleet grotto]

i was about to say I really don't like that one

But then it grew on me

[oblique birch]

Supreme Calamitas, Witch

[vocal wedge]

Calamitas, The Supreme Homeless Witch.

[tawdry trout]

Witch Calamitas: Supreme

[vocal wedge]

Supreme The Calamitas.

[fleet grotto]

Supreme Pizza... mmmm

[vocal wedge]

Clearly every boss needs a title;
Nameless Serpent: The Devourer of Gods.
Moon Lord: The Devourer of Dragons.
Skeletron Prime: The Devourer of Orphans.
Eater of Worlds: The Devourer of Worlds.
Yharim: The Devourer of The Pious.
Yharon: The Devourer of Chicken.
Draedon: The Devourer of Knowledge.

[gilded citrus]

i think forgotton apocalypse prob fits moonlord better
or like 5 different names
many named fucker

wait devourer of orphans

peak

[vocal wedge]

I'm glad someone noticed the joke.

[obsidian nova]

Hot take: I forgot to make my obsidian boots

[errant wren]

hot take: today is friday in california

[vocal wedge]

Huh?

[errant wren]

shoot

[scarlet musk]

red sun rework headcanon

• directional true melee
• landing hits slowly begins to turn the background red (like solar pillar). high velocity meteors slowly begin raining all across the screen and in the background which explode on contact with tiles and enemies. continuing to land hits accelerates the volume of meteors.
• right click resets the meteor acceleration with a red flash, executing a blade dash whose damage scales with how much the meteors were accelerated.

not posting it because srs but wondered if anyone would think its cool :3

[fleet grotto]

its also a dev weapon and i don tthink thats happening

[distant gyro]

something is happening

with that

might take a while

[glass arch]

raaaah i hate celestial claymore

[tardy geyser]

Isnt it just spirit flame but sword?

[glass arch]

kinda

spirit flame but centered on the cursor rather than the player

[indigo yacht]

goated suggestion????

[glass arch]

ive decided i need to step up my hating game and hate random shit in calamity more

[keen zodiac]

CALDEVS OBLITERATE CELESTIAL CLAYMORE AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[glass arch]

theres also solstice claymore that i want dead but 10 minute slowmode

[frail fox]

Solstice saved by the

[glass arch]

genuinely

i looked for a long time to see if there was anything

nobody fucking talks about it

at least i can say that people talk about celestial claymore

but there are under 750 mentions of solstice claymore across the entire servers history

[crude geode]

I want less weapons with devs paid more to modify them and I'm NOT joking

[crude geode]

Is it even in the future content doc? I tried looking and got nothing

[glass arch]

from what i can tell there were plans for it but i dont know anything about them because it was only ever mentioned here in one singular message

but if there actually are plans for solstice currently i can curb my enthusiasm and hate on earthen pike instead

which i will do in the meantime because i think even fewer people give a shit about that one

[crude geode]

something something people only care about the idea of earth elemental

[half imp]

No

[frail fox]

Nvm I found it

(Sunny)

[keen zodiac]

[crude geode]

tragic

[indigo yacht]

calamity needs more references

[half imp]

true

[crude geode]

internally to it's own lore yeah

[half imp]

this is why I added byleth

[indigo yacht]

no every weapon should be a reference to external media

[half imp]

I can do that

[crude geode]

500 ultrakill weapons that people will bitch about the accuracy of

[half imp]

I will reference The Fragrant Flower Blooms With Dignity in everything now just for you

[crude geode]

woah

[glass arch]

im gonna post the earthen pike sugg here first because i might be too mean and i dont think thatll help the sugg

[half imp]

ngl I considered adding a Slay the Princess reference but I couldn't figure out how to translate anything from that game functionally

[glass arch]

Remove Earthen Pike

Earthen Pike suffers from the same issues Earth Elemental suffers from. It's a strangely designed and generally derogatorily unique thing, even if it barely fits the definition of unique. Earthen Pike does nothing, has nothing, and is nothing. Its mediocrity is severe in just how mediocre it is, an utterly desolate plane of wasted potential and uninteresting concepts. Nobody cares about it while its living, so nobody will miss it when its gone.

[distant gyro]

more reference dumping

[crude geode]

hornet toolpouch when

[distant gyro]

never

[crude geode]

[half imp]

pov calamity has a unique melee weapon you have to think to use

[keen zodiac]

remove earth elemental

[frail fox]

Cogflies (summoner class)

[distant gyro]

actually we have that its the ammo slot

[half imp]

so true

[distant gyro]

imagine ammo has a limit like in skong,,

[glass arch]

see i would have suggested that but i know devplans.png exists for it

[frail fox]

Multiclass required

[distant gyro]

you squeeze out 400 venom bullets 400 ichor bullets 400 explosive bullets 400 hallow point rounds

[half imp]

The good ending

[distant gyro]

:)

[frail fox]

Now imagine if silksong tools were all this boring

[crude geode]

it's why they took nearly a decade to make the game, couldn't make chlorophyte bullets in their video game

[distant gyro]

yeah

[glass arch]

imma be real i havent even used it i just decided on a whim it would be one of the targets of my hatred

[frail fox]

This is true because ||Wisp Lantern can’t hit shit||

[crude geode]

[distant gyro]

just like summoner!

[half imp]

Earthen Pike is certainly a weapon that exists

[frail fox]

True melee wannabe

[crude geode]

Agreed!

[glass arch]

anyways into posting it goes if anybody has issues with it they can bring them up later

[crude geode]

I assume all of earth ele's weapons are planning to get reworks bc none of them. sound particularly interesting atp in time

[glass arch]

i feel like it just doesnt deserve 2 melee drops

[fleet grotto]

Isn't aftershock sdying

[glass arch]

oh yeah it is

oh well earthen pike isnt interesting either if its that big of a deal it can be struck down in dev

[crude geode]

slag magnum doesn't really sound interesting it's kinda just crystal bullets but with less pretty colors

[fleet grotto]

earthen pike would be 7x better if it was bigger like gungnir or chlorophyte partisan methinks

not that exact size but not just tbe item sprite

extenderd

[keen zodiac]

extenderd

[fleet grotto]

yea

intentional

[keen zodiac]

real

[fleet grotto]

extender'd

[distant gyro]

i think most spears do that

if not just all of them

[glass arch]

yes

most/all spears have a longer holdout

[distant gyro]

and then gungnir and rotted fork are Super extended

with a drawn extension

[glass arch]

at the very least all the vanilla ones have a longer holdout

[distant gyro]

the wiki has Long versions

[fleet grotto]

i think earthen like should do it More

it feels so small

Not even spear(like) shaped

[distant gyro]

some of them dont get the memo

starnight lance, earthen pike, goldplume spear

and banshee hook but the default sprite of that is already big

[echo leaf]

PLEASE

I HATE THAT THING

[drowsy plank]

popsicle sword found dead in miami

[echo leaf]

good

[half imp]

No

[distant gyro]

miami is canon??

[drowsy plank]

it's where they crucified terraria jesus

the rest of the united states doesnt exist though, it's just miami

[last shard]

Remove Miami biome
This place as shit mobs (elderly enemies are not peak design) with shit loot (why do only rangers get any and it's all useless boomsticks and clockwork assaults) and biome spread??? It's even bad lore why tf did terraria jesus get crucified smh should have been Calamitas brother getting crucified starting the faith of the Guide.
Shit loot, shit lore, shit enemies, shit biome, not even the recycle bin will accept a folder with this in it. Remove it.

[obsidian nova]

Isn't it the maker of orphans?

[novel belfry]

celestial claymore holds a place in my heart though...

honestly it should just be class-shifted tho

[glass arch]

no just

just remove it

[half imp]

no

[glass arch]

what would it even be class shifted to

because if its mage its functionally nearly identical to a mage weapon that already exists around that tier

[oblique birch]

are u gonna cook with it or

[half imp]

no

[oblique birch]

😔

greatest Celestial Claymore fan

[misty lichen]

i do think a bigger reason for claymore removal should be the fact it’s randomly dropped by every biome mimic

and has no correlation to any of them

[humble mist]

add astral biome mimic clearly

[errant wren]

ever since getting that virus that crashes my computer, more people have been using the word that triggers it

[golden sonnet]

@inland saddle bot is dead

[keen zodiac]

[humble scarab]

[coral carbon]

fork in kitchen

[golden sonnet]

tree in forest

[coral carbon]

shark in forest

[golden sonnet]

huh?

[glass arch]

cit went outside for once

whats there to be confused about

[indigo yacht]

missouri

[gilded citrus]

Only recently that has been possible to do and iirc calamity is likely to already add those once time can be afforded
Also
Your sugg needs like
More

[severe sparrow]

First off
wrong formatting
Second, not enough to it
third, no reasoning for it

@simple otter

[vocal wedge]

Fourth, I think they plan on doing that already.

[simple otter]

Oh cool

[upbeat tundra]

Play Infernum

[scarlet musk]

how do i go about suggesting a pre-boss launcher and/or a pre-hm launcher

[grizzled dome]

why?

[scarlet musk]

turning gunk shot into a grenade shotgun or stickybomb launcher, maybe some grenade launcher crafted with wulfrum scrap, i dunno

[vocal wedge]

Read the suggestion guide.

[grizzled dome]

Suggestions are meant to be pointing out a problem, or a notable absence. Solutions are for the devs to find.

[vocal wedge]

You need to explain why something like that should be implemented.

[scarlet musk]

i'll go simpler then, i just want a pre hardmode launcher

[vocal wedge]

If Calamity is hindered by a lack of early game launcher, explain why. Also, make sure they aren't already adding something like that.

Again, read the guide first.

[scarlet musk]

i've suggested before

i meant like can you help me think of reasons why this might be useful

[grizzled dome]

I think you're approaching this backwards.

[vocal wedge]

So for a start, why specifically is a launcher needed?

Like, there isn't an inherent need for every subclass to be viable for every stage of progression.

[scarlet musk]

i mean personally i think they should be, but thats not an argument i would use

[scarlet musk]

true

i mean how do you define a need

[grizzled dome]

If you can't think of a reason why there ought to be launchers in the early game, maybe that's a sign that there doesn't need to be.

[scarlet musk]

there is a severe lack of launchers in pre-hardmode and i think it's wasted potential

[grizzled dome]

I could just as easily argue that by making launchers exclusive to the later game, they feel more special.

[scarlet musk]

swords, flamethrowers, bows, staves, tomes,

all of these have variants that are functionally extremely similar all throughout the game

i don't think there's a good reason to say they should be hardmode exclusive

[vocal wedge]

You need a reason for why Calamity is worse without an early game launcher that isn't just that you like launchers.

[scarlet musk]

i don't think rockets should be craftable in pre-hardmode, but i think there should be a couple pre-hardmode launchers that use an alternative/unique ammo type or none at all

[grizzled dome]

So you want launchers that don't share the common trait launchers share? Why does it matter that they're launchers, then?

[vocal wedge]

So, for the sake of argument, a launcher available early game that only had block breaking ammo for early game excavation is something I could see.

[scarlet musk]

like the sandgun but worse

combat wise

[vocal wedge]

More so the Sandgun but in reverse.

[grizzled dome]

Oh, that's the exact thing I didn't want. I thought launchers were kept away from the early game precisely because of their block-breaking abilities.

[scarlet musk]

i agree with banana here

[upbeat tundra]

“Make my challenge run possible” type suggestion

[scarlet musk]

they launch an explosive

[fleet grotto]

Add types of launchers to pre hardmode
Of all the ranger subclasses, launchers are the most niche and underutilized by the player base. Most people don't even use them later in the game because they simply don't understand the weapons. If launchers received some form of early recognition, they could teach how these weapon types function, more players would be more open to actually using them.

here I made a suggestion for you

[scarlet musk]

i mean yeah i can admit that's a huge reason why, but i also think it would add to the pre-hm experience positively to have explosive weapons

[vocal wedge]

That's a good argument.

[grizzled dome]

Yeah, that's an actually good argument. And it's not like pre-hardmode weapons don't get large AoE tools; it's just that ranger doesn't as much.

[upbeat tundra]

Would it not be simpler to just start the play through in hardmode

[vocal wedge]

Not without cheating.

[scarlet musk]

that's lame and skips a huge portion of extremely fun cal content

[grizzled dome]

watch the monkey's paw curl a finger as we get a wulfrum launcher that's outdated past EoC

[fleet grotto]

honestly

pumpler

[grizzled dome]

...yeah, actually, I think what you want might be the pumpler.

[scarlet musk]

i know already

[grizzled dome]

So the suggestion should probably be to reclassify the pumpler as a launcher, even though it doesn't use rockets, at which point why does it matter?

[scarlet musk]

pumpler is mid as hell

but anyhow

im cooking up a suggestion

one of my main points is that in pre-hm everything is more terrain and environment dependant since you have way less mobility

which means u can have cool interactive things like grenades rolling around corners etc

[grizzled dome]

...that sounds like a specific item suggestion.

Remember, you're not trying to come up with the solution of what item should be added. You're just identifying the problem to be solved.

[fleet grotto]

Purpose > function > execution

[grizzled dome]

Also, I think that if it doesn't use rockets as ammo, it's not really a "launcher" per se but a different weapon class?

And gaining rockets pre-hardmode is its own kettle of fish, and best avoided due to the terraforming potential.

[vocal wedge]

Launcher's all fall under Specialist.

[scarlet musk]

Add one or more launchers or launcher-adjacent weapons to pre-hardmode
Launchers are inherently unique, niche and underutilized in general, and introducing them earlier simultaneously gives opportunities to design launchers with unique functions such as a stickybomb etc., and also introduces the subclass of explodey weapons earlier while allowing players more agency for the style of weapons they want to choose.
Having launchers in pre-hm also allows the design of launchers that are more terrain-focused or requiring greater finesse, that most of the launchers in hardmode don't really require or interact with due to the player having extreme comparative mobility, especially relating to being much more airborne. Launched grenades arcing through the air and rolling around corners, or rockets having considerable aoe or varied conditions for certain functions are all fun and interactive reasons that launchers could be a great addition to pre-hardmode. As for ammunition, these launchers could use perhaps a unique ammo type, some expendable material, or even none at all.

[vocal wedge]

I don't think you need to include things like what they could be themed after since I think you're running into specific weapon territory.

[scarlet musk]

true, true

[vocal wedge]

Or for specific ways they could work, also under specific weapon.

You're not the one designing the weapons, the devs are. If they were to make a launcher, they'd be the ones designing it.

[fleet grotto]

This suggestion has a lot of nono sections

[grizzled dome]

I think "launcher" is mechanically defined as "weapon that uses rockets as ammo"?

[fleet grotto]

basically

[oblique birch]

could change that

doesn't really have to

Dragon Drizzlefish is a flamethrower but it doesn't use gel

[grizzled dome]

Okay, fair.

But if you replace "launcher" with "weapon which deals AoE damage" I think it clarifies what this suggestion is actually asking for: a pre-HM Ranged weapon with an explosion on impact. Probably with a linear non-arcing projectile, or else the pumpler already satisfies it. And that's awfully specific.

[scarlet musk]

okay i've made some edits to fine tune it

[scarlet musk]

yeah like its more about what it does

[vocal wedge]

Again, I still think you're railroading too hard.

[scarlet musk]

thing shoots a thing that blows up

[scarlet musk]

in what ways?

[vocal wedge]

You're not supposed to be telling the devs what exact items you want, like I don't think you should be specifically saying 'stickybomb launcher' or 'arced grenade launcher' and so on.

[scarlet musk]

...every grenade launcher arcs

that's like the most instantly recognizable defining characteristic of a grenade launcher other than blowing up

[vocal wedge]

Yeah, and you shouldn't be saying 'the launcher should include things like a grenade launcher'.

[scarlet musk]

i think it's reasonable to point that out, especially considering there is an extremely small amount of grenade launchers in terraria in general

which sucks because of the finesse they require to land shots with due to the arc

its fun

[grizzled dome]

Yeah, but do we need more? Or would it just be neat?

[scarlet musk]

do we need anything

it gives more agency

[grizzled dome]

...if you put every neat idea into a game, even if in a vacuum they're cool and fun, over time you end up with endless item bloat.

[vocal wedge]

From a game design standpoint, yeah. You're being too specific, so the suggestion comes off as 'add this item I want' and not 'Calamity needs something in this category here'.

[grizzled dome]

So it's best if a smaller group of developers specifically prune down to just the ideas they want to add, rather than just everything that someone thinks is cool.

[scarlet musk]

then remove the suggestion system /j

hold on im gonna try and prune this down lol

[vocal wedge]

So lets say for the sake of argument I thought that a certain point of the game lacked True Melee options.
If I said 'This section of the game lacks True Melee options, they should add a big axe or a scythe themed weapon,' that would fall under too specific.

[grizzled dome]

There's a reason specific item suggestions are gone. Suggestions are great for stuff like "this boss's mechanics are poorly telegraphed", though, especially since what's "obvious" to someone who's spent hours designing a boss may be less obvious to another player.

Or for things which are niche, like wonky sprites. But suggestions should be about pointing out problems first and foremost.

[vocal wedge]

For sprites you can just suggest a replacement on the art Discord.

Not here.

[grizzled dome]

True, good point.

[vocal wedge]

Now if the animation was broken or something, that's probably best as a bug report.

[grizzled dome]

The closest would be for the kind of things where it could be fixed by just mirroring a sprite or something, like if most arrows point left and one points right or something.

[vocal wedge]

And even then, sprite edits go on the art Discord, not here.

[grizzled dome]

okay, fair. Disregard my bad example.

For a better example, renaming items.

[scarlet musk]

Add one or more launchers or launcher-adjacent weapons to pre-hardmode

• Launchers are inherently unique, niche and underutilized in general, and introducing them earlier simultaneously gives opportunities to design an extra weapon type with unique functions, traits, and usecases, and also introduces the subclass of explosive weapons earlier while allowing players more agency for the style of weapons they want to use.

• Placing a launcher in pre-hm also allows for unique designs that could synergize with the environment or require more finesse to use than many hardmode launchers; in hardmode, the player has access to a significant amount of mobility especially on the y axis, where they can move around. Typically in hardmode, these weapons only tend to interact with the space they move through and any enemies that happen to be nearby. In pre-hardmode however, you are much more locked to the ground or to nearby surfaces, and there are many situations where you may be in a tight spot especially while mining or otherwise exploring. Consider the proximity mine launcher; it's almost useless at the position you can obtain it because of how unimportant the ground tends to be in major fights, but in pre-hardmode it could be way more useful since laying traps based on the terrain around you is actually a situation that could come up more often and feel rewarding to capitalize on. The more slow and methodical pace of pre-hardmode allows for more gimmicky or interactive launcher designs.

• As for ammunition, these launchers could use perhaps a unique ammo type, some expendable material, or even none at all.

---

rough ideas, trying to branch away from srs/sis

i can trim it more but i wanted to get it down

[vocal wedge]

Make sure to stay under character limit.

[scarlet musk]

yup

[indigo yacht]

get rid of the blip about ammunition

[scarlet musk]

Add one or more launchers or launcher-adjacent weapons to pre-hardmode

• Launchers are inherently unique, niche and underutilized in general, and introducing them earlier simultaneously gives opportunities to design instances of a weapon type with unique functions, traits, and usecases, and also introduces the subclass of explosive weapons earlier while allowing players more agency for the style of weapons they want to use.
• The more methodical and terrain-bound pace of pre-hardmode allows for more involved, gimmicky, or interactive launcher designs compared to the high speed of hardmode, where launchers are more blasty without much thinking. Pre-hardmode launchers could involve the physical space around you in more fun or complex ways.

[scarlet musk]

i've brought it up before and people use that to write it off, but sure

[echo leaf]

phm launchers could use Bombs of various types as ammo

[scarlet musk]

grenades would also work

[echo leaf]

Yeppers

I know Sand Gun uses Sand as ammo and thus allows Sand to be in ammo slots, so exotic ammunition types isn't uncommon

[scarlet musk]

unique ammos such as wulfrum or boss-themed ammos like if it dropped from a boss
ex: slime god launcher using slime blocks etc

[grizzled dome]

I am all for this suggestion because it would let me store grenades in my ammo slots while I'm randomly caving

[scarlet musk]

or a crab launcher using glowing mushrooms etc

[scarlet musk]

do you think anything should be added

[grizzled dome]

an oxford comma in the first sentence

especially since you include an oxford comma later in that same sentence

[scarlet musk]

is that a bad thing

Add one or more launchers or launcher-adjacent weapons to pre-hardmode

• Launchers are inherently unique, niche and underutilized in general. Introducing them earlier simultaneously gives opportunities to design instances of a weapon type with unique functions, traits, and usecases, and also introduces the subclass of explosive weapons earlier while allowing players more agency for the style of weapons they want to use.
• The more methodical and terrain-bound pace of pre-hardmode allows for more involved, gimmicky, or interactive launcher designs compared to the high speed of hardmode, where launchers are more blasty without much thinking. Pre-hardmode launchers could involve the physical space around you in more fun or complex ways.

[echo leaf]

ANYTHING to keep my inventory from being bloated with stupid fucking bullshit I don't want to hold but something I do want to keep

[scarlet musk]

posted

[vocal wedge]

Don't add a part 2.

[grizzled dome]

oh, it wasn't the same sentence (the comma goes after "niche") but also it does not matter.

[indigo yacht]

"what type of ammunition would a pre hardmode grenade launcher use huh did you ever think of that"

[grizzled dome]

It's just that, looking at prior weapons, 100% of launchers were rocket launchers, not grenade launchers.

[scarlet musk]

?

[indigo yacht]

why tf does the grenade launcher consume rockets

[vocal wedge]

I saw it said you were typing in the suggestions posting after you posted.

[scarlet musk]

i usually place the suggestion in the text box so i can conveniently edit it if i need to

[gaunt crystal]

correct me if I'm wrong but uh

aren't custom achievements like extremely hard to make?

[glass arch]

not really

[frail mantle]

I think they finally added support for it recently

[glass arch]

it was hard previously because you had to make your own system for it

but now theres a built in system for achievements

[gaunt crystal]

oh cool

[blazing trout]

@glass arch counterpoint: celestial claymore is my fav pre boss hard mode weapon so it should stay

[obsidian nova]

Please add a Niko Oneshot reference

[obsidian nova]

YESSS

[glass arch]

dont care

[novel belfry]

COUNTERPOINT: I CARE. I LIKE IT.

insert the caldevs summoning 200 unnamed fans of a feature nobody liked gif

[glass arch]

must suck having bad taste ngl

[novel belfry]

i think you have bad taste ngl

[glass arch]

thats fair

[novel belfry]

maybe

we both have bad tastes

[keen zodiac]

no it's just you

[grave zinc]

@keen zodiac - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Standardize ranged weapons displaying ammo type]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@real lynx - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Darksun dye]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[keen zodiac]

YOOOOOOOOO

[grave zinc]

@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Grand Marquis bait to the Golden/Titanium crate loot pool]

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[inland saddle]

Manually passed a few

[grave zinc]

@severe sparrow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make projectiles affected by Rage or Adrenaline spark with red or teal respectively]

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[echo leaf]

Suggestion Bot ALIVE

[keen zodiac]

🔥 🔥 🔥

[mystic sandal]

#suggestions-voting message hatred

[plush flame]

earthen pike has a niche and its a 1 second dlc deus kill

[severe sparrow]

what the hell

[plush flame]

actually its not 1 second but it nukes the framerate so bad that it feels like only one ingame second passes

[real lynx]

What does a check mark mean on a suggestion in voting?

[vocal wedge]

Sent to dev server.

[real lynx]

Hell yeah

Really hoping darksun dye becomes a thing

[keen zodiac]

me 2

[golden sonnet]

Hmmm, this most recent suggestion probably isn't invalid, but I don't know how I feel about it

I love rocket launchers due to how dynamic they can be, they are the best way to spread liquids, remove liquids, and remove terrain pretty much the entire game. The arsenal of utility ammo is imo what makes launchers stand out, and is their strongest suit outside of their specialty in AoE explosions. So as much as I like launchers, the strongest argument to adding more of them imo, doesn't work for pre-hm cause all the rockets are locked by plantera

[echo leaf]

yeah, the only way I'd think phm launchers would work is if the devs add launchers with a different ammo type

but to keep the consistency of "rockt = post-plant" then they'd have to not use rockets

[golden sonnet]

Well, we already add a rocket recipe so our launchers pre plantera work

so we could just change that recipe

[echo leaf]

oh radical

there might need to be some balancing to them to fit being tiershifted but it shouldn't be rocket science

[golden sonnet]

but it still loses a lot of the strengths of launchers by not having access to any of the specialized/non combat rockets

[oblique birch]

toy rocket for prehardmode

[echo leaf]

"there we added a phm launcher, eat your slop gamers"

[golden sonnet]

We wouldn't need to rebalance rockets themselves, just the preHM weapons that would use them

[echo leaf]

squeak.wav

[errant wren]

i still like the idea of an item that just yeets explosives further

[echo leaf]

make it obtainable by fishing and exclusively use bombfish as ammo

it'll give a use to the fucking obscene mountains of bombfish in every goddamn body of water in existence

[oblique birch]

nooo not the bombfish farming

that will be the end of me

[echo leaf]

dont worry bombfish are an invasive species

they're fucking everywhere

[keen zodiac]

real

[drowsy plank]

not true, there's mineral mortar and flak toxicannon in early hardmode

[golden sonnet]

I mentioned that

[drowsy plank]

yeah i saw that after i sent it

[half imp]

Rocket with base 40 damag

[errant wren]

what if bombfish were used to craft the seafoam bomb line

[echo leaf]

anything that pisses off fishing haters

[half imp]

rockets should stay hardmode imo because like

The whole idea is that the ammo hits hard

[golden sonnet]

I mean, you can always reduce the speed or damage of the base item to make the ammo fine in pre-hm, changing the base rocket just affects too much

[errant wren]

reduce base damage rockets to like 20 until hardmode or whatever

[half imp]

yeah but launcher with 2 damage post skeletron is kinda

silly

[echo leaf]

unreal vs broken is a 1 damage difference

[golden sonnet]

I agree, but it doesn't need to be that low. Eviscerator has a base damage of 70 pre skeletron because of how slow it is, we could do something like that is my point. You can always make the ammo work if need be. Granted, I still don't see very strong reasoning for pre-hm launchers, but also don't think it would be super hard to make work with a pre-hm rocket 1 recipe

[drowsy plank]

as people said previously, u dont even need to use rockets u could just use bombs or smthn

[fleet grotto]

Ammo variety with the different grenade types 👀

[indigo yacht]

please grant us more subclass slop 🙏

[half imp]

ok

more dart guns

[keen zodiac]

add umbrella subclass

[errant wren]

drill subclass

[half imp]

I was actually thinking about something like this today

[keen zodiac]

[indigo yacht]

doze take ur meds

[half imp]

it wasn't a subclass though

it was just one item

[half imp]

never

[errant wren]

chlorophyte umbrella

[half imp]

i will continue to not take my meds thank u

[errant wren]

#suggestions-posting message hey so @half kestrel this is planned content for eventually™

and even then i'm pretty each one of those was already going to be one for when it happens

[keen zodiac]

there's a list of 80+ achievements planned to be implemented

[errant wren]

can't wait for an expansion of over 30 angler quest achievements 🙏

[keen zodiac]

true

[half kestrel]

Niceee

[frozen kite]

is my suggestion fine…

[vocal wedge]

I think it may fall under specific item kinda thing, which isn't what you're meant to suggest.
Also spriting hell I guess.

[frozen kite]

from how i see it there isn’t any way i could expand the suggestion to not be just about a calamitas mask….
maybe “give mini bosses and calamitas masks” but not all base game mini bosses have a mask to begin with and so it’s not really justified

[vocal wedge]

Calamitas has horns as a drop.

[frozen kite]

oooh ooh wait brother masks

[frozen kite]

explained why i don’t believe that’s enough in the suggestion…

[vocal wedge]

The brothers having masks is a good idea, but again I feel falls under specific item.

[frozen kite]

though i didn’t mention horns it’s still kinda there

i mean it goes from 1 item to 3
kinda broadens it

[vocal wedge]

You see, vanity items aren't exactly a NEED for Calamity, and while they certainly exist and get made asking for them with the suggestions may not be the best use of the system.

[frozen kite]

it’s still a suggestion i have though

[fleet grotto]

i really don't think so

i think it more falls under "consistency error" where the most obvious conclusion is to just add it

[vocal wedge]

That's fair.

[last shard]

Tbf this one is extra fair since Cal's brothers are so notable they also have Boss Trophies

Even Anahita and Leviathan only have one (Anahita's trophy) despite having two masks, and Slime Gods also only have one.

[frozen kite]

yeah

[last shard]

Each Exo Mech, Cal, and Cal's brothers all have them.

[frozen kite]

see i’m smart…..

[last shard]

So this is very much a consistency thing

[fleet grotto]

wait there's only one trophy for leviana???

i thought there was a leviathan trophy with a tooth or something

[frozen kite]

might be thinking of the leviathan tooth item

but yeah leviathan should have a trophy

do i suggest ts

[last shard]

Oh no I'm stupid

Yeah Levi does have one

X3

[last shard]

Sowwy

[fleet grotto]

and it IS a tooth!!!

[frozen kite]

[last shard]

Lmao we both went to look it up

[glass arch]

ngl i thought anahita was the one that didnt have the trophy

[fleet grotto]

yeah it's just her head

[last shard]

Eh tbh Anahita would deserve it she's infinitely the scarier foe of the two. Leviathan is just "uppies"

Anahita has tracking projectiles and potential of inflicting dazed. Still not really that dangerous a fight, tbf, but if she's the most dangerous of the two

[frozen kite]

highkey kinda also want slime god core to have a mask too because it looks cool….

[glass arch]

calamitys vanities iirc

[keen zodiac]

yeag

[obsidian nova]

Funny how you say that

[obsidian nova]

Peak

[scarlet musk]

toxicannon is a launcher

and its available immediately after wof iirc
(sorry realized cog mentioned this)

[scarlet musk]

i don't think pre-hm launchers should have tile destroying ammo at all

[gilded citrus]

Pre hm launchers known as grenade

[scarlet musk]

you could also just make it either ammoless, have a unique ammo like the stynger, or even use some random other material/item like star cannon (ik it isn't a launcher but still)

[obsidian nova]

Okay but don't you think it would be really funny to make a spriting contest for them like Thorium did?

[keen zodiac]

please stop replying to days old convos it's weird

[errant wren]

"yesterday at 4:30 PM" (it is 2:02 for me)

but uh yeah you do tend to reply super late

[olive saddle]

how is that weird

[indigo yacht]

i expect they meant to say "annoying" but thought it sounded too harsh

[olive saddle]

CONFIG BLOAT WOOHOOHOO

[safe pine]

yeah, I'd rather features be moved to an "outdated features" config folder or something than flat-out removed though

spawning Eye or mechs at 4:25 am (in-game) has just been a fun thing to do if I'm feeling like being dumb about it, and I'll be sad to lose it if it gets removed

[crude geode]

If you want more difficulty there’s other ways of getting it

[fleet grotto]

i for one actually like the time based enrages like eoc. i don't see why they're even being removed in the first place

[indigo yacht]

focusing on the idea of intentionally making the fights harder is good because maybe I'm just a hater but we do not care if you start the fight late that is a you problem

[fleet grotto]

Besides, it gives you a chance to succeed even when it's late. The boss doesn't just leave instantly, that's lame. If the boss just becomes harder, the you can still win

[drowsy plank]

@safe pine im pretty sure bosses still enrage in this version, so im pretty sure you're referring to the changelogs, and you can't make suggestions about future content so this is invalid

[safe pine]

ack- got it, unfortunate

[drowsy plank]

you gotta let people actually play it before making the kneejerk reaction to say to start changing it or smthn

[crude geode]

ATP it also just. blatantly is the “readd removed content” sugg

Considering “add a config that adds this thing back in” is the example post

[drowsy plank]

well yeah that's why i said "you need to actually try the update that removes it before suggesting ways to bring it back"

i dont think suggestions asking to bring things back are entirely invalid on the basis of just wanting something back (see; yharon revive) but it needs to like

actually have reasoning and also you need to have actually played the update that removes it for a while to form that reasoning

otherwise you're just doing the kneejerk thing of "old good new bad; bring back old thing because new thing is worse because i dont like it (i haven't tried it)"

[half imp]

yea

[grave zinc]

@severe sparrow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make projectiles affected by Rage or Adrenaline spark with red or teal respectively]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
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@keen zodiac - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Standardize ranged weapons displaying ammo type]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Grand Marquis bait to the Golden/Titanium crate loot pool]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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[keen zodiac]

WE WIN THESEEEEE

[echo leaf]

radical

[oblique birch]

good suggestions

[misty lichen]

why did this get into voting

the entire reasoning was to fix an issue that literally didn’t exist

[golden sonnet]

it was passed manually due to bot issues

so not a huge deal

[dark umbra]

i lvoe earthen pike

[grave zinc]

@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Grand Marquis bait to the Golden/Titanium crate loot pool]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[distant gyro]

the monkey's paw curls

[golden sonnet]

What does that mean in this context?

[distant gyro]

uhm

it eats away at the chance of getting master bait

i had to check if it works

okay yep i think it does

expected bait drops over 300 crates: 1000 master -> 500 master 250 grand marquis

[median scaffold]

Eh, seems like a fair trade for me

[echo leaf]

radical

[obsidian nova]

Auroradical

[hoary stirrup]

pls don't remove golden fishing rod dropping from angler anymore :(

[vocal wedge]

Too bad.

[hoary stirrup]

D:

[drowsy plank]

why?

[gilded citrus]

It kinda completely nukes fishing rod progression so i understand why they are

[keen zodiac]

terraria fans when they're forced to play the game

[hollow pecan]

is ur minecraft mod good

[mystic sandal]

xzier's alt here. no

[hollow pecan]

sad

[worthy lintel]

despite fishing being unredeemable dogshit, golden rod is too powerful of a drop

[grizzled dome]

I don't even dislike fishing! In part because I'm autistic, probably. And, yeah, the golden fishing rod is way too strong to just get basically for free.

(probably autistic, I mean. I dunno, something.)

[keen zodiac]

it will be peak

just need to learn how to code first

[hollow pecan]

I’ll be there

[keen zodiac]

thank

[half imp]

about that

it's redeemable

[worthy lintel]

redeemable dogshit

[crude geode]

[errant wren]

that's what i say about my music

[indigo yacht]

i like chocolate

[olive saddle]

-# OUT OF MY WAY!!!

[echo leaf]

fishing is totally fine

but a free grod is like, no bueno and stuff

[obsidian nova]

Dude calm down it's not that deep bad

Also, it's being reworked in SSP

[plush flame]

sunken sea piss

[obsidian nova]

[worthy lintel]

its bad for the environment

[coral carbon]

terraria fishing is like literally fine

its just a little boring

but like

idk its nice sometimes

[half imp]

well it will be nicer

[upbeat tundra]

I don’t understand the argument against free grod from trapper stacking. It makes sense that you’d want to avoid easy or “fast track” progression, but this is also the mod that undoes the Reaver Shark nerf.

[humble scarab]

the fishing will be changed a little to make it more interesting

and the reaver shark is smth diff

cuz in vanilla the skip existed

[drowsy plank]

free grod was stupid because it skips basically all of fishing progression entirely. even if you get reaver shark you still need to go get the hellstone and make the armor, and after pre-hardmode, you'll need new gear anyway

grod can be used for all of your fishing for the entire game

[humble scarab]

yea

[drowsy plank]

trust me, fishing progression is dogshit (fucking scarab rod) but that's no excuse to make it worse

[upbeat tundra]

True. From what I see fishing is already disliked and underused, so I never really saw that much of a problem with letting people skip its progression. If we all know the progression is dogshit I fail to see the point in making people do it.

I worry that this won’t make people engage with the fishing progression, but rather it’ll likely just make them avoid it entirely.

[drowsy plank]

they already avoid it even with grod

[humble scarab]

^

[drowsy plank]

from the sounds of what doze is saying, some aspect of fishing being bad is already being tackled the correct way (improving the system mechanically)

[indigo yacht]

can we have stardew valley fishing

[drowsy plank]

axe progression is still dogshit but people have to interact with it, some people could even say that boss progression is not in a great spot, but people will choose to interact or not interact with these systems of their own volition, not because they were given free handouts for it

like how out of the way is early grod mechnically already anyway?

only people that already planned on fishing would even know about it

the only good counterargument i could see to this is maybe the herb system and calamity's planetoid, but vanilla already hands out tons of herb bags in surface chests anyway, it's just how easy/hard it is to obtain something to actually plant the herbs in which is more of an issue with dryad/flower pots than the herbs themselves (which are an entirely different issue)

[tepid crown]

he gave calamity fishing rods minigames (and also made those minigames able to put on every rod via an accessory)

[drowsy plank]

okay so that was what he was talking about, wasn't sure if there was more done or not

i did hear about that

[tepid crown]

for example, rift reeler makes you use your movement keys to move the bobber underwater to catch stuff

[indigo yacht]

they should make a fishing rod where every time you catch a fish you have to beat Trepang2 on rage mode without cheese to reel it in

[drowsy plank]

they should make undertale 2

[tepid crown]

they should force u to nohit asriel

[drowsy plank]

hey i mean
technically possible

[indigo yacht]

what's so hard about nohitting asriel

i dont play whatever game this is from

[tepid crown]

rng

[plush flame]

they should force you to do maso hardcore instead

[tepid crown]

its just rng

[indigo yacht]

oh

[drowsy plank]

randomized rainbow lasers that were not designed to actually be dodgeable

[plush flame]

also yeah asriel is rng hell

[indigo yacht]

ah

rage mode wasn't meant to be possible either but it isn't rng just mechanical skill

and also its definitely possible

[drowsy plank]

smh my head hasn't played undertale

[indigo yacht]

i was too busy meowing

[drowsy plank]

understandable

[upbeat tundra]

I see trasher stacking as something of a band-aid fix for people who want to do fishing but not deal with the annoying progression.

In your own words, trasher stacking is only done and known about by people who are experienced enough to go in with it in mind. The kinds of players who are willing to deal and engage with base fishing aren’t the kinds of people who do trasher stacking.

I think grod is too powerful to obtain that early, but trasher stacking early game is annoying enough that it’s only worth doing if you really want it. It’s not free.

I do see your point though. In my opinion having to go to the trouble is close enough to “engaging with mechanics” to obtain it. Simultaneously, I can understand the notion that it should fall in line with the rest of fishing progression, even if that progression isn’t good.

That said, I absolutely agree that it isn’t ideal and should be done away with, but only when a better fishing solution is implemented.

[indigo yacht]

nuh uh i engage with base fishing and absolutely get golden fishing rod early

[plush flame]

it kinda is free if you just like make a box or a hole

[indigo yacht]

it takes five minutes

hardest part is sitting around on a rope waiting for a trasher to spawn

[drowsy plank]

if people dont want to deal with the progression, then the progression should be better, you shouldn't be given a big stick to ignore it if you just happen to Know Enough

[upbeat tundra]

I agree

[errant wren]

can we get shadowspec tier fishing gear 🙏

[plush flame]

one thousand lures

[tired haven]

Just need a crafting recipe for every fish tbh

[golden sonnet]

100 blood orbs each

[keen zodiac]

true

[errant wren]

special fish crafting station

[gritty plaza]

fish breeding cage

if you make too many you have to draft an agreement with Iceland on who has rights

[grave zinc]

@last shard - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Colossal Squids from T3 Abyss.]

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[last shard]

owo

That's surprising but welcome lol