Dragon boss spawned by you having dragon egg
#suggestions-discussion
gilded citrus
novel belfry
honestly i want yharon to be a post-exo/scal fight regardless
and not like, yharim update before that
yharon himself feels more fitting for a penultimate boss than the current final bosses
since, yknow, hes the one who gave yharim his defining motivation
crude geode
Yharon doesn’t really have the same buildup that exos and SCal do
novel belfry
still, I think he's arguable more influential in the grand scheme of things, compared to like SCAL
crude geode
Massive disagree
novel belfry
Calamitas killed a lot of people. Draedon? Arguable.
fleet grotto
Yharon is quite literally the driving force of the crusade
He's what gave Yharim the idea in the first place and provided support
novel belfry
Yharon is the guy who told Yharim, "Yeah all those Gods? Every single one of them could only exist through the death of my kind."
"Even that nice jellyfish girl."
crude geode
All of this isn’t really prevalent to a playthrough in any way. It matters lore wise, but the effects aren’t really felt as much as having areas/bosses you completely wrecked like SCal, or labs you built like Draedon. For what it’s worth, Yharon has Dragonfolly, but it’s not nearly as impactful as mech trio or Clonelamitas imo
novel belfry
All of this isn’t really prevalent to a playthrough in any way. It matters lore ...
To be fair, yeah.
But that sounds more so a failure on part of the game rather than a specific reason against moving Yharon slightly later
And, do remember, the devs do really want to add more lore and buildup to a lot of things, Scal and Draedon included. I'm sure they could do something similar with Yhar the On.
keen zodiac
And, do remember, the devs do really want to add more lore and buildup to a lot ...
no more buildup for draedon 
there's so much
novel belfry
no more buildup for draedon <:HDfailure:482263678150770729>
for some reason i misread that as literally taking away all buildup for draedon
mech bosses? Now they're resurrected bosses that Yharon revived to specifically kill you twice.
keen zodiac
true
severe sparrow
there's so much
yeah, no need for any more buildup
obsidian nova
Right, the name is changed too 
dire warren
the foller
golden sonnet
the foller
I barely know her!
keen zodiac
-2
keen zodiac
gilded citrus
Everyone knows kiriwhite is who you target
fleet grotto
@frozen kite I believe this was suggested and rejected
frozen kite
fleet grotto
frozen kite
that’s so stupid though….
keen zodiac
@teal yarrow suggestion too long
grim tusk
keen zodiac
relogic moment
teal yarrow
<@1381671129571266650> suggestion too long
ik im shortening rn
indigo yacht
holy yap
also
effectively just a specific rework suggestion
just write "astral armor is cool but the set bonus is boring, it should be reworked into something more interesting that plays to the strengths of both summoner and mage"
teal yarrow
just write "astral armor is cool but the set bonus is boring, it should be rewor...
if it has no reason it gets deleted 😭
keen zodiac
if it's too specific then it's really hard to implement
teal yarrow
if it's too specific then it's really hard to implement
i mean i specified that its just my idea and they dont have to follow
drowsy plank
@teal yarrow specific rework suggestion; check the doc
teal yarrow
<@1381671129571266650> specific rework suggestion; check the doc
I know
I made sure to include that “specific” part was just an IDEA
teal yarrow
;-;
drowsy plank
if you can use that as an example of why it is a problem (ex; "the current set bonus is incredibly forgettable, giving it a keybind-based set bonus would make it more memorable and skill intensive, as well as fill the niche of a lack of keybind armor sets at that point in progression") then it's fine, but that's not what you're doing
(also that's not true i was just making up a point; brimflame, plague reaper, and im sure others im forgetting all exist already)
teal yarrow
🗿
drowsy plank
furthermore, your first point isnt even correct, it's an all class set and it is completely viable for ranger too
mystic sandal
furthermore, your first point isnt even correct, it's an all class set and it is...
yeah i used astral as ranger
and its great
drowsy plank
people see minion slots and mana bonuses and just immediately assume it's dedicated to those classes
mystic sandal
lunic corps is better but it also takes a rover drive
drowsy plank
im looking at the message right now, it still says it's "a summoner-mage set"
drowsy plank
well that is just not correct still
drowsy plank
it's not focused on mage and summoner i know you had some point about it but you should just remove that comment completely
it isn't focused on those classes
summoner cant even crit
lucid flare
an entire galaxy worth of star reactions, all reduced to duste
teal yarrow
@drowsy plank i fixed it see if theres anything that you dont like
drowsy plank
it's
fine ig, still dont love the wording on the set bonus part but whateve
funnily your point about the stars is kind of just wrong
teal yarrow
🗿
drowsy plank
periodic extra damage on crit vs. periodic extra damage by pressing a key
drowsy plank
funny
teal yarrow
¯_(ツ)_/¯
drowsy plank
it can go to voting at least but im pretty sure there are prolly already plans for astral armor rework
teal yarrow
Nah its fine
drowsy plank
we're so fucking far behind on updates it is unreal
upbeat tundra
I swear “plans have been made” for absolutely everything.
upbeat tundra
I was being somewhat hyperbolic
frozen kite
I swear “plans have been made” for absolutely everything.
plans have been made to delete calamity mod and send post changelogs the day after,,,,
frail mantle
it can go to voting at least but im pretty sure there are prolly already plans f...
Our plans are measured in generations
indigo yacht
my great grandchildren will see the brimstone crags overhaul
just kidding! no kids for me!
keen zodiac
true
dire warren
my great grandchildren will see the brimstone crags overhaul
meow
tardy geyser
meow
humble scarab
meow
gilded citrus
meow
keen zodiac
meow
errant wren
meow
indigo yacht
none of you are the meower
royal tapir
Say the line meowjak
indigo yacht
royal tapir
oh! umm…
distant gyro
none of you are the meower
how are you so sure
indigo yacht
how are you so sure
indigo yacht
i’m the hisser
WHAT
echo leaf
hiss
tardy geyser
thats a weird looking cat
echo leaf
pat every lizard you see
median scaffold
True
keen zodiac
i agree
dire warren
i concur with this statement
glass arch
asset hell
hollow idol
dark sun dye is not in sso)
lavish citrus
darksun ore when
drowsy plank
never
keen zodiac
half imp
darksun dye could be cool
grave zincBOT
@umbral gazelle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Add more post-Providence dialogue to guide]
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@indigo yacht - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Make "Town NPCs Spawn at Night" enabled by default]
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@silver mulch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Give draedon weapons infinite energy in godmode]
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keen zodiac
why didn't the draedon one get locked
drowsy plank
oh good question
grave zincBOT
@silver mulch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Give draedon weapons infinite energy in godmode]
It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message
distant gyro
explosion
silver mulch
Why did they send my idea to be voted on when they're removing energy? I'm glad people agree with me, but it's kind of redundant.
distant gyro
might send something else manually since it robbed a spot
keen zodiac
Why did they send my idea to be voted on when they're removing energy? I'm glad ...
mods forgot to flag it as "has conflicting plans"
keen zodiac
what does that mean
distant gyro
nycro forced one in because its out of the bots stat collection period
because the bot died for 2 ages
keen zodiac
3 ages actually
obsidian nova
just kidding! no kids for me!
Same 
lucid marsh
Ugh wait. I made a suggestion a few weeks ago and never saw what happened to it
It was an actually good and fun way to rework the charge system
I guess it was just buried
oblique birch
The charge mechanic is getting removed from Arsenal Weapons
obsidian nova
I think that "charge up" replacement mechanic that was suggested (arsenal weapons deal more damage the longer you use them but using them for too long will cause then to overheat) is actually pretty cool 
real lynx
How long does it take for a suggestion to go through?
glass arch
supposed to be once a week that they get pushed to dev iirc
with 24 hours between entering posting and entering voting
real lynx
Ah damn
indigo yacht
i don't think this would constitute high effort because it should be possible to just override the function that changes stats and have it set a flag to true to add a line at the bottom of the tooltip letting the player know what changed, and although this would have to be done manually for the weapons with special stats there aren't many of them in the game
willow sapphire
MAID OUTFIT FOR PLAUGEBRINGER GOLIATH
indigo yacht
no
golden sonnet
please stop being weird
inland saddle
nycro forced one in because its out of the bots stat collection period
I just did all the ones with 100+ stars
These API changes are driving me insane and are getting ridiculous to keep up with
I just pushed an update that hopefully will help but I can’t say for sure
Even the library I use is getting pissed lol
rapid pivot
any thoughts on a sugg to add a vanity accessory that reduces the size of all non-melee weapons by a bunch
(speaking as a mage - void vortex, prince, and arch amaryllis look cool but have such a massive sprite that it can make it a bit harder to see your hitbox)
indigo yacht
dyeable weapons 
i thought my suggestion would be one that people would at the very least accuse of being too large in scope but nobody has said anything about it
maybe it was the Fargo's reference
half imp
it's high effort but I support it
fossil finch
(speaking as a mage - void vortex, prince, and arch amaryllis look cool but have...
They should just be resprited to not be massive
glass arch
what do they even do
as in like
to balance
or to show changes
bc changes have a little block at the bottom of the tooltip that say the changes
though i dont know how applicable that is because most fargos balance changes only take effect in emode+
fossil finch
it'd be the exact same
indigo yacht
I was pretty much just imagining a red line at the bottom of the tooltip saying "Damage reduced from 112 to 98 by Calamity" or something
and if there's a special stat like with the phasesabers it would also have another line saying "Damage dealt ignores defense by Calamity"
probably with a more eloquent way of showing the origin, anyways
my only concern would be the items with colored tooltips causing some confusion, but since (afaik) there aren't any vanilla ones it shouldn't be a pervasive issue
echo leaf
A toggle for this could be nice
keen zodiac
config hell
indigo yacht
one extra button
"config hell"
rapid pivot
Fair enough - however, I felt that it'd be, like.. a lot more effort to suggest a resprite of every weapon with this problem in the art disc. And possibly a bit rude.
Wasn't sure if it'd be easier to just.. hijack the existing size modifiers to do it.
fossil finch
Well it is easier but it's just botching around the actual problem
Historically not a good thing to do
indigo yacht
that is a very long name
rapid pivot
good point
half imp
trying to avoid sprite size creep has been on our minds some
errant wren
solution, we upscale all of terraria minus the big weapons no that'd be stupid
i guess one way could be to make smaller alternate sprites that you can toggle. not sure that actually solves much
half imp
yeah
This is primarily a "avoid moving forward" type of thing
not something we have the manpower to go back and remedy old ones for currently
rapid pivot
yeah, i figured it might be way too much to resprite all the weapons affected by this
fluid canyon
silver mulch
What if there was a toggle option that simply downsizes the weapons without changing their sprites? They would look out of place for sure, but this options would not be the default, so it would be less of a problem.
(also, in my opinion, the deepcore gun is the worst offender)
errant wren
i think that was kind of addressed earlier
misty lichen
i think vanilla does downscale some shooting weapon sprites
errant wren
to be fair though, i'm pretty sure vanilla has smaller weapon sprites
i guess the downscaling looks weird if you tried to use it on like...
uh
i guess just a large sprite
misty lichen
it could work to at least an extent
grave zincBOT
@indigo yacht - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Make "Town NPCs Spawn at Night" enabled by default]
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@umbral gazelle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Add more post-Providence dialogue to guide]
It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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oblique birch
good
grave zincBOT
@indigo yacht - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Make "Town NPCs Spawn at Night" enabled by default]
It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message
distant gyro
that was so hard
indigo yacht
true to false in the json file
distant gyro
i didnt even do anything apparently its already default true
indigo yacht
or backwards rather
distant gyro
wait i just realised i needed to investigate that
git blame tells me what happened was that i removed the potion selling config and the lines i truncated inadvertently made that config true by default on accident
or something
keen zodiac
lol
upbeat tundra
Would it be impossible to add a qol toggle in the config that just lets you disable the Terrarian holding the tool in current use similar to view model disable in source games?
vestal crater
Would it be impossible to add a qol toggle in the config that just lets you disa...
That isn’t even in calamity or terraria
Unless you’re meaning when you actually use something
upbeat tundra
Unless you’re meaning when you actually use something
Yeah. As opposed to Subsuming Vortex being shrunk and going through sprite hell to downsize things, would it be possible for there to be an option to just have the book not be visible when in use?
vestal crater
I mean probably but cuz of spaghetti code and how absolutely gigantic it would be
It’ll most definitely be refused
glass arch
if anything thats a side mods job
oblique birch
ye idk why would Calamity ever need to do that in the first place
oblique birch
@drowsy plank kill
errant wren
can we get this individual exploded
golden sonnet
💥
errant wren
oh thanks
drowsy plank
<@166992984171085824> kill
pls direct to modmail im usually busy and it's more consistent
errant wren
cog how goes your dayjob of rotating in a machine
drowsy plank
it's awesome i recommend everyone does it
errant wren
cog you're so cool please don't explode
golden sonnet
cog how goes your dayjob of rotating in a machine
if you think about it, we are all just cogs rotating in the machine of society
royal tapir
If you think about it, you should PayPal me $1000 USD
royal tapir
Rob a bank
errant wren
shitty doodle
drowsy plank
cog how goes your dayjob of rotating in a machine
tardy geyser
lol
gilded citrus
Do not the machine
golden sonnet
@silk garnet I marked your suggestion as invalid as it's too vague, as well as too large in scope to result in any meaningful change, and thus violates the suggestion guidelines in the pins. That being said, pretty much all of this is already planned, we have plans for a new distortion subworld to explore, with content in it that will replace the buffed moon events, as well as other plans for post ML content diversification. That being said other projects are currently in line first so it will likely be a bit till this issue gets addressed.
silk garnet
Right, I understand. thank u for the clarification i’m super happy it’s being addressed though 🙏
silk garnet
<@451814817540603905> I marked your suggestion as invalid as it's too vague, as ...
Is the stealth mechanic planning on getting reworked in the future or is it set in stone?
golden sonnet
Rogue and stealth as a whole are planned to be reworked yes. I don't think the mechanics are going to change a ton, but the name and the formula and most items are.
silk garnet
hm i see, alright thank u
obsidian nova
@narrow sandal #suggestions-voting message
narrow sandal
oh didnt see that one
frozen kite
crude geode
"it would be nice" is in no way sufficient reasoning
fleet grotto
Yeah that's the entire reason
frozen kite
changed to have better reasoning…
keen zodiac
changed to have better reasoning…
it's still just "it would be nice"
median scaffold
Are there any confirmed new title screens in the update either way?
median scaffold
Good to know
keen zodiac
and a couple other unspecified ones iirc
median scaffold
i mean it still follows all the rules despite the reasoning being kinda eh
Yeah, I think the suggestion is a bit too much "how to do it" instead of "why it should be done"...
And I'm not sure what you mean by "a title screen that is akin to vanilla one"
I don't think they are intractable, if we exclude being able to drag the sun around
frozen kite
as in just a moving biome background
also i didn’t say that the vanilla title screen is interactive
vocal moth
I don't think they are intractable, if we exclude being able to drag the sun aro...
he didnt say that?
i would like to see the ash crag smth whatever its called
maybe astral
frozen kite
i would like to see the ash crag smth whatever its called
the crag doesn’t have its own background….
and idk if this matters but astral would be spoilers for new players
keen zodiac
and idk if this matters but astral would be spoilers for new players
everything is spoilers if you know nothing
frozen kite
what do you mean this is the one server i’m in that don’t got true emoji….
humble scarab
the crag doesn’t have its own background….
the crag will be overhauled iirc so it prob will get one
frozen kite
true but it don’t yet and idk if it’s gonna have it by sso….
keen zodiac
it won't
glass arch
oh
frozen kite
highkey crags would be more fitting but for that exact reason we can’t do it….
vocal moth
and idk if this matters but astral would be spoilers for new players
the normal bg is spoilers since yharim
whole tundra
#suggestions-posting message I agree with this, but the reasoning needs improvements
whole tundra
and idk if this matters but astral would be spoilers for new players
Maybe sulphurous sea
median scaffold
he didnt say that?
I mixed things up, sorry
frozen kite
Maybe sulphurous sea
what?
frozen kite
Maybe sulphurous sea
added more onto it
novel belfry
Honestly, I think Astral Infection works just as well as sulph sea for a biome background
vocal moth
Honestly, I think Astral Infection works just as well as sulph sea for a biome b...
cyes
@knotty igloo that would be too much ammo saving i feel a tradeoff of the weapon is the ammo usage unless your in qol hell you gotta prepare
a 10% would be good at the max
indigo yacht
new title screen suggestion is kinda weird but nothing wrong with it
ngl i feel like the blossom flux thing is a balance suggestion though
knotty igloo
<@922484365416599564> that would be too much ammo saving i feel a tradeoff of th...
the weapon isn't even that good
theres others available at that point in the game that just DONT have a drawback
It's just unnecessary and absurd
knotty igloo
ngl i feel like the blossom flux thing is a balance suggestion though
feels more like an unintentional oversight tbh
drowsy plank
ngl if shredder has 66% ammo conservation there's literally no reason flux shouldnt have 30% bare minimum
oblique birch
Kingsbane has 90% ammo conservation
vocal moth
ngl if shredder has 66% ammo conservation there's literally no reason flux shoul...
66+1?
vocal moth
ngl if shredder has 66% ammo conservation there's literally no reason flux shoul...
to be fair it does need a little buff
vocal moth
It's just unnecessary and absurd
mb i dont like ranger and last time used years ago
drowsy plank
kingsbane is auric tier isnt it
knotty igloo
mb i dont like ranger and last time used years ago
Thats alright i barely remember any of the calamity weapons
just happened to run into this in my playthrough
:D
vocal moth
fair\
indigo yacht
kingsbane is auric tier isnt it
yeah
bold crown
Astreal Bow also has this same issue
You can run out of a full stack of arrows in ~3 attempts of prov
drowsy plank
Astreal Bow also has this same issue
do you mean Astral Bow or Astreal Defeat?
drowsy plank
because fab made the latter and the former is just a very uninspired item from the astral set
furthermore, im surprised both it and blossom flux have usetimes of like 20 but fire faster than minishark, but yeah i think it would make sense for both of these bows to get ammo conservation
@knotty igloo if you want to add Astreal Defeat to your suggestion as well, it might be more convincing to point out this an issue in general with rapid fire bows just not getting that stat at all compared to fast firing guns
indigo yacht
i can attest to astreal defeat ripping through ammo i used it in my first playthrough and had to go and get another 3k arrows every like 2 providence attempts
bold crown
because fab made the latter and the former is just a very uninspired item from t...
Of course it was fab
Five of the weapons are just 'Astral ___'
Also, Drataliornus might also have this ammo problem, but I haven't used it in game
drowsy plank
this is true drataliornus may very well have this issue, but we'll never truly be able to get data on it because nobody fucking uses it
indigo yacht
nohitters do
knotty igloo
<@922484365416599564> if you want to add Astreal Defeat to your suggestion as we...
ooh.. how do i edit it...
echo leaf
nohitters do <:clueless:1064298508653432933>
who?
drowsy plank
ooh.. how do i edit it...
it's just in #suggestions-posting so you can just edit the message
it won't get locked in until it's in #suggestions-voting
knotty igloo
Of course it was fab
Why is everyone blaming fabsol for everything bad in calamity 🥲
vestal crater
Why is everyone blaming fabsol for everything bad in calamity 🥲
Are you clueless
Or is this a question
drowsy plank
Why is everyone blaming fabsol for everything bad in calamity 🥲
i mean he had a reputation of pushing a lot of unnecessary stuff into the mod while simultaneously holding back changing things that very much needed attention because of his own desires on how to do things/how they should be
and that's not even mentioning what actually got him excommunicated from the server
echo leaf
i mean he had a reputation of pushing a lot of unnecessary stuff into the mod wh...
master death prime
knotty igloo
ohh yeah that makes sense
drowsy plank
I LOVE EXXO AVALON REFERENCES- 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥
indigo yacht
masdeath prime is peak
bold crown
master death prime
no not him
echo leaf
did you notice the changelogs recently did a lot of removing and reworking of really old things
drowsy plank
peak dogshit
knotty igloo
excommunicated? exo communicated? draedon? hello?
echo leaf
DRAEDON MENTIONED
drowsy plank
🔥 🖊️
indigo yacht
Says nobody ever
i say it
vestal crater
excommunicated? exo communicated? draedon? hello?
🔥 🖊️ 2️⃣
drowsy plank
holy shit calamity 2
vestal crater
Calamity 2 tomorrow says my aunt she’s Jane Calamity
indigo yacht
sso scope creep is something else
knotty igloo
Please dont...
vestal crater
Whar
knotty igloo
Almost got off topic there
drowsy plank
sso scope creep was insane even before it became an even more important update considering it's the first major fabless update
vestal crater
Almost got off topic there
Yeah and there’s two mods and one of them is a dev here
golden sonnet
I'm pretty sure this is public so I'll say it. SSO is so big it pushes the version number to 2.X, so calamity 2 is literally real
indigo yacht
sso scope creep was insane even before it became an even more important update c...
i was making a joke about calamity 2 being part of sso
drowsy plank
fair
anyway hopefully null makes those edits, but if not maybe i can fuck around with making a general fast bow ammo conservation suggestion some other time
golden sonnet
Tbh I might just pull a CIT and change it before voting when I get home
drowsy plank
would be kind of fire ngl,.,.,.,.
specifically dont give it to drat so it has more of a reason to be reworked entirely
golden sonnet
Donor : (
drowsy plank
Donor : (
i know the stories surrounding it, but i thought talks were being done with the dedicatee anyway? plus, it's not even true donor, so it's not like they paid to add it, it was just made on behalf of someone
changing it shouldn't be too far out of the scope of possibility
indigo yacht
people getting official recognition from the mod developers for nohitting seems kind of wild to me
ig thats just because the veterans list is like 300 long now lmao
oh ok only 230
drowsy plank
terraria nohitting i think sort of came about around the same time as calamity, so it's not surprising, but it is annoying to have to deal with the consequences of it
not that calamity did itself any favors by incentivizing it
golden sonnet
Legacy roles.....
golden sonnet
Tbh it's less than I thought
bold crown
Were these for no-hitting and such?
golden sonnet
Yep
golden sonnet
Boss rush, defiled mode
bold crown
Oh right, wingless
indigo yacht
Tbh it's less than I thought
was the genesis of shroomed after legacy roles?
golden sonnet
It existed, but wasn't really it's own category
indigo yacht
ah
obsidian nova
what do you mean this is the one server i’m in that don’t got true emoji….
Pretty sure there are two in the screenshot
obsidian nova
MANKIND IS DEAD 
severe sparrow
do you mean Astral Bow or Astreal Defeat?
astreal defeat is astonishingly mediocre for anything small to medium sized, its ridiculously annoying to use
obsidian nova
was the genesis of shroomed after legacy roles?
The what?
drowsy plank
very
drowsy plank
golden sonnet
I'm guessing these are dead now?
They are legacy, so not removed but no longer obtainable
patent nimbus
are there any plans to change how crimson/corruption effigies work
id like to write a sugg to make them act like station buffs but i wont bother if theres already plans
ashen warren
already done, they act like station buffs
ashen warren
👍
oblique birch
wow
keen zodiac
me when the changes are logged
balmy hound
for SIS items, are we allowed to ask for an item if it might have a lore reason (exhumed item for permafrost)?
half imp
it would depend on what the suggestion is
"Add an exhume that provides lore on Permafrost" is probably fine, but specifically what the item does would not be
Assuming proper reasoning is given alongside the suggestion of course
distant gyro
its also going to be a thing but you wouldnt know that
errant wren
can we exhume the dirtiest block to make the dirtiester block
distant gyro
❌
distant gyro
you have to consult john dirt
obsidian nova
can we exhume the dirtiest block to make the dirtiester block
The cleanest block
obsidian nova
for SIS items, are we allowed to ask for an item if it might have a lore reason ...
About the last part of your reasoning, there are already plans for more exhumed weapons that aren't mage/summoner
uncut fog
Well damn, would have loved an exhumed kelvin catalyst, i love the vibe of the weapon
novel belfry
Exhumed Avalanche
ashen warren
kelvin catalyst will not be one of them because it's donor
last shard
kelvin catalyst will not be one of them because it's donor
Could you theoretically do so if the donor was contacted and gave an approval?
Because Catalyst feels like probably the most iconic of the Cryogen items
ashen warren
contacting the donor is not the problem, none of them will be donor since all donor content is strictly non canon and should not affect future development
catalyst feels like the most iconic cryogen weapon because the rest of them completely suck rn
cryonic reworks will come, and there will be actually interesting weapons centered around cryogen and a new exhume that's built from the ground up off of one of those weapons
keen zodiac
peam
junior ridge
I haven’t played calamity in a little bit, but I was curious as to why Yharon’s phase transition lost the health regeneration phase.
I think that was the coolest thing ever in that fight
keen zodiac
I haven’t played calamity in a little bit, but I was curious as to why Yharon’s ...
because fabsol was the boss dictator and he didn't like it
not to worry, it's coming back Eventually™
junior ridge
PEAK
I’m so happy to hear that
I just heard about Fabsols departure not knowing any context before, I’m glad Calamity seems to be moving in a happier direction.
And very glad my boi Yharon gets his health regen justice.. Eventually ™
distant gyro
yeah it was fabsol who added it but it was also him post-playing dark souls 3 and hating it that vowed to remove all fakeouts and heals
ocean flare
is it a reach to say some weapons like mycoroot with fast usetimes have pointless stealth strikes and that maybe it'd be much more fitting as a rogue weapon if they had a decreased stealth use per stealth strike
i just feel like rogue is not very unique because of how inconsistent the gimmick of stealth strikes are which could just be fixed with something like having different stealth percent usages depending on which weapon's stealth strike it is
distant gyro
stealth strikes aren't always the same every time and effects are how they're supposed to pull ahead
having different stealth costs per weapon feels more like tweaks of numbers than so called uniqueness
similar pitfalls certain rogue weapons fall into right now where to compensate for their lackluster effects they just have an extremely high damage multiplier on top to supplement for their viability
that's "better" but it's not truly better
distant gyro
stealth strikes aren't always the same every time and effects are how they're su...
to principally hammer this point, nanoblack reaper has the same use time as mycoroot (12 shots per second) and the stealth strike is significantly better. better than spamming
drowsy plank
decreased stealth cost is definitely just moving the goalposts rather than addressing the actual issue
distant gyro
in which case its a bit of a trap to assume fast weapons are better spammed
frail mantle
yeah it was fabsol who added it but it was also him post-playing dark souls 3 an...
i thought it was sekiro that sealed the deal
distant gyro
name the soulsborne game idfk
drowsy plank
super soulsborne brothers 3
crude geode
Byeah rogue is at it’s best when each stealth strike is worth considering, and the best way to do that is it’s unique effect
and when you’re mixing the two together instead of focusing on one or the other but that’s planned™
distant gyro
terror talons stealth strike throwing a single projectile and you just have to trust it's better because you don't know it does 9x damage
crude geode
hilarious
royal tapir
many such cases
oblique birch
crazy stealth
glass arch
yeah it was fabsol who added it but it was also him post-playing dark souls 3 an...
tbf removing yharons fakeout death id say was a good thing
even if it was because of how bad the fakeout was handled
dense ravine
yeah it was fabsol who added it but it was also him post-playing dark souls 3 an...
lmao
he got mad he died
novel belfry
yeah it was fabsol who added it but it was also him post-playing dark souls 3 an...
something tells me he hated malenia
indigo yacht
ok i don't even play souls and i know she's from elden ring and not dark souls 3
obsidian nova
name the soulsborne game idfk
Duskbloods
indigo yacht
last shard
yeah it was fabsol who added it but it was also him post-playing dark souls 3 an...
Now that they're gone we should make it so King Slime can use Gel drops like players use heart pickups
That'd be a very healthy and fun mechanic to give King Slime don't you agree?
drowsy plank
last shard
Ngl that'd be hilarious to do for when spawning King Slime during the Slime Rain event *w*
Health regen so potent that the boss becomes almost on par with Skeletron or the main evils
last shard
Oh not really dangerous, but it'd be funny with the sheer health regen of such an event- especially if a Slime Rain like effect was forced in as part of Boss Rush KS
drowsy plank
it just sounds really boring because it would just give KS effectively infinite HP if you have any kind of piercing
bc you'd keep killing his minions
half imp
that assumes one minion heals more HP than you deal dmg to spawn it
drowsy plank
fair
novel belfry
it would need more than health refills to be remotely dangerous
clearly meower has never fought against king slime on tier
indigo yacht
i have never fought the boss off tier
tiny minnow
I see it working more for Queen Slime
dense locust
clearly meower has never fought against king slime on tier
king slime is really just that easy I hate to say it
novel belfry
clearly meower has never fought against king slime on tier
I MEANT INFERNUM
I MEANT THAT
THAT FUCKER SUCKS
indigo yacht
infernum king slime isn't hard either
you just tap your movement key every other second
maybe jump if youre feeling spicy
bold crown
Masdeath king slime
indigo yacht
ngl still probably wouldn't pose a threat if you play intelligently
tiny minnow
Is it Fargo's or Infernum that has the ninja fight against you at one point?
humble scarab
Is it Fargo's or Infernum that has the ninja fight against you at one point?
Infernum have that
humble scarab
I always jumped to bait the crystal
cedar chasm
is a calamity version switcher a good idea
tepid crown
no
gilded citrus
Cant you already use the calamity github or other mods for this
drowsy plank
yeah there are several standalone releases of older versions too
indigo yacht
also assuming it's not straight up impossible it would be a colossal amount of effort and make the file size enormous
remote maple
What if there was an accessory that turned defense into health like the Stoic Perkdeck from Payday 2.
drowsy plank
you should try making that
dense locust
true!
drowsy plank
yeah like, i think defense would be the more useful stat there?
indigo yacht
the inverse might be interesting
dense locust
it would need to be like a 4-1 ratio for it to be even remotely usable
indigo yacht
the inverse might be interesting
health into defense
indigo yacht
not if you did like 10 health for 1 defense
drowsy plank
i assumed it would only apply to health bonus effects so you'd need to burn two slots and also have something that gives a lot of max HP
indigo yacht
well i guess if it was obtainable earlygame it would be problematic
late game most things are harder to tank (fearmonger isnt real)
errant wren
exhume chalice of the blood god for this
drowsy plank
like if an accessory gave +100 HP and you turned that into 100 defense that's obviously very good but you could also just use two accessories or something
if you did it 10 to 1 it would just be bad (10 defense )
it could be pretty strong with radiance (+70)
dense locust
idk I dont think theres a good way to balance it without it being either complete dogshit or completely broken
indigo yacht
when you think about it the best accessories are either mobility or extremely niche
drowsy plank
i mean i guess it's balanced if it's just bad
indigo yacht
like aquatic emblem is busted but it only works in water arenas
i think
i don't remember i haven't played tmod in a while
drowsy plank
reminds me of the accessory tierlist tiercord made
it's a little outdated but the idea is there
indigo yacht
ahhhh yes rogue emblem in staple
drowsy plank
the list doesnt include vanilla accessories and everyone slaps on emblem so
¯_(ツ)_/¯
dense locust
I have basically stopped using emblems outside of tests
they're just not very good in cals meta
imo
drowsy plank
i haven't used one in a while in calamity yeah
amal brain is just so much better lmao
indigo yacht
it doesn't help that the rogue emblem is abysmal dogshit on stealth rogue and just alright on spam rogue
dense locust
amal brain and then if you really want another damage boost moon stone
indigo yacht
reminds me of the accessory tierlist tiercord made
sabiton placement still pains me
dense locust
cant believe we didnt allow sabiton bug to be ranked smh
drowsy plank
lo
indigo yacht
is that the thing with glorious end
dense locust
that was one version of it
indigo yacht
was it the gravity flipping thing
dense locust
this was by far the most broken version though
indigo yacht
they should just remove the slam from the game it has no practical application outside of abusing bugs tbh
drowsy plank
but then you cant use it to cosplay aureus everyone's favorite boss
indigo yacht
🥀
indigo yacht
they should just remove the slam from the game it has no practical application o...
i remember one time i said it was useless (foolish me) and the immediate response was a bunch of bug showcases which like yeah i was wrong but i also mostly was thinking in the non exploitative sense
drowsy plank
you can uhhhh
use a different mount if you want
since you can fastfall with it
and wouldnt need to auto equip saddle/pogo
indigo yacht
yeah but doesnt it need to charge up?
dense locust
still a shame it doesnt scale with stealth
would've been really funny
indigo yacht
use a different mount if you want
if it didnt need to charge this would be a viable use
well
drowsy plank
well you can do that with it unviably rn too
indigo yacht
lol
tepid crown
yeah but doesnt it need to charge up?
the slam and the fastfall are different
the slam needs to charge but fastfall is just holding down
indigo yacht
i
i know that
i use this item religiously
the slam is faster than the normal fastfall
*can be
drowsy plank
does sabaton count as a ramdash
indigo yacht
holy shit cog you just solved the ram dash problem
we add a two second charge up time before every ram
🔥
drowsy plank
that was actually considered
indigo yacht
lmfao
drowsy plank
presumably the slam is the same speed as the mount, while the fastfall is not
i wouldn't be surprised considering how fast the mounts fall
idk much about sabataon tbf
indigo yacht
i like to maximize my mobility and there is still a solid niche for both the fastfall and a fastfall mount
indigo yacht
presumably the slam is the same speed as the mount, while the fastfall is not
i ...
sabiton fastfall is +50% max fall speed, and saddle is 2x y velocity iirc
tepid crown
presumably the slam is the same speed as the mount, while the fastfall is not
i ...
according to the wiki sabatons fastfall is 50% faster
indigo yacht
so 1.5x vs 2x
golden sonnet
@inland saddle Bot is down in case you aren't aware. If you have been informed apologies for the duplicate
indigo yacht
also I don't know if this is accurate but i think saddle accelerates faster so it's a lot better for fast movement
the fastfall is better for precise movement
drowsy plank
hey @golden sonnet i see u typing did you ever add the ammo conservation to blossom flux and astreal defeat
golden sonnet
hey <@161930494596874242> i see u typing did you ever add the ammo conservation ...
No, thanks for the reminder, will look into it now
drowsy plank
tepid crown
discord KILLED nycro('s bots)
frail fox
reminds me of the accessory tierlist tiercord made
Save us SSO…
drowsy plank
dw im sure all the reworks will be great when we finally get them in 2056
indigo yacht
*3056
errant wren
discord KILLED nycro('s bots)
again i'm convinced discord is targeting nycro specifically
golden sonnet
Save us SSO…
we should do an armor sets as vanity tierlist next, it'd be super objective
drowsy plank
we should do an armor sets as vanity tierlist next, it'd be super objective
dirt block tierlist
golden sonnet
dirtiest block SS tier
indigo yacht
super overrated. b tier at most
drowsy plank
inexplicably there is a single minecraft dirt block and it is put in M tier for minecraft
golden sonnet
super overrated. b tier at most
I will turn your femur into bone dust, and then ban you. Never talk about my son like this again.
indigo yacht
c tier
tepid crown
inexplicably there is a single minecraft dirt block and it is put in M tier for ...
what about minecraft course dirt
indigo yacht
I will turn your femur into bone dust, and then ban you. Never talk about my son...
oh my gosh calamity reference
dense locust
I will turn your femur into bone dust, and then ban you. Never talk about my son...
no way scp reference
drowsy plank
I will turn your femur into bone dust, and then ban you. Never talk about my son...
bone dust tierlist; they all go in F
actually didnt we already do a materials tierlist
dense locust
yes
indigo yacht
yes
errant wren
bone dust tierlist; they all go in F
cog tierlist: cog goes in cog tier, the item itself goes into like, B+
dense locust
actually didnt we already do a materials tierlist
I think we're solidly out of ideas for new ones at this point unfortunately
frail fox
we should do an armor sets as vanity tierlist next, it'd be super objective
So true
frail fox
So many good ideas left to do
golden sonnet
hey <@161930494596874242> i see u typing did you ever add the ammo conservation ...
while I'm here, why is Shredders 40% chance to not use ammo just not mentioned anywhere
love that
tepid crown
we should do an armor sets as vanity tierlist next, it'd be super objective
we should do vanity sets as hypothetical armour sets after that
crude geode
We should do your mom
indigo yacht
calm down
errant wren
wh
drowsy plank
while I'm here, why is Shredders 40% chance to not use ammo just not mentioned a...
wait for real?
i swore it used to show it and that it was like 66%
what is going on
indigo yacht
hallowed slept on aesthetically tbh
keen zodiac
fr it's peak
drowsy plank
awesome
golden sonnet
oh wait, this is like a prevalent thing
it's not on infinity either, or a few other things
more work for me I guess, time to go on a scavenger hunt
drowsy plank
drowsy plank
more work for me I guess, time to go on a scavenger hunt
gl lmao
remote maple
you should try making that
I can’t code.
drowsy plank
somehow, i doubt you've tried
remote maple
and also it would suck
Maybe it’d have extra effects, like damage reduction or health regen or more healing from potions.
remote maple
somehow, i doubt you've tried
I’m a concepts person. I have neither the skills nor the patience or mental stability to actually make it
drowsy plank
well you should read the rules document in the pins, cause discussing it is pointless since cal doesnt accept specific item ideas; it was just a fun thought exercise since nothing else was happening here
remote maple
Oh yeah.
remote maple
well you should read the rules document in the pins, cause discussing it is poin...
Happy to give that at least ig.
half imp
About ammo conservation
blood boiler tooltip also just lies
remote maple
What?
drowsy plank
About ammo conservation
blood boiler tooltip also just lies
awesome !! ! ! !!
does it just not have any or is the number wrong
half imp
Number wrong
remote maple
“60% Chance to save health.” Ain’t no way
half imp
it's way higher than listed iirc
drowsy plank
lmao
half imp
I think it's 80%
remote maple
So just free heals
drowsy plank
something i always thought about was like, how viable would it to just generate the tooltip off of the actual math of the code? like you could get it to just print the result of the math it runs instead somehow
i know it probably doesn't work exactly like that, but maybe there's some way you could convert the result into readable numbers
mystic sandal
reminds me of the accessory tierlist tiercord made
wait a template exists?
indigo yacht
something i always thought about was like, how viable would it to just generate ...
i think it wouldn't be very hard but it might require standardization
keen zodiac
what do y'all think of my suggestion
mystic sandal
what do y'all think of my suggestion
can't hurt to have
more accessibility is a good thing
indigo yacht
fine, since there's probably a clusterfuck of variables to control what ammo types are allowed in
novel belfry
reminds me of the accessory tierlist tiercord made
this list makes me angry purely because it considers the radiance as "Boring"
turning debuffs into regen buffs is an exciting endeavour how bout you read a book
mystic sandal
also hote aint thaaaat bad tbh
indigo yacht
i think it's just because you don't actively do anything, all the effects are passive
indigo yacht
also hote aint thaaaat bad tbh
it isnt, the list isn't accurate
remote maple
reminds me of the accessory tierlist tiercord made
I want that template
royal tapir
About ammo conservation
blood boiler tooltip also just lies
This was fixed in 2.0.5
last shard
Off Tengal's suggestion as well, although more niche- There's a bunch of Gun weapons (or listed as such in wiki) that seem to use either none/strange ammo which makes it curious which ones can utilize the effects of Bullets or not- particularly ones with effects like Ichor or Marksman. Like does the Corinth Prime altfire triggor Ichor bullets? Can it trigger Crystal on alt fire direct hit (which sucks but still)?
For ones that use Bullets, would such a tooltip for like "Bullet bonus effects ignored when using this weapon" be useful at all, or would that be too niche?
Or would that be too specific on a case-by-case to be useful to players?
glass arch
Off Tengal's suggestion as well, although more niche- There's a bunch of Gun wea...
if its a convert the only property of the ammo it takes is base damage iirc
which is why silver/tungsten bullets are better than musket balls
tepid crown
which is why silver/tungsten bullets are better than musket balls
not silver anymore,,,,,
only tungsten
glass arch
fuck happened to silver
tepid crown
fuck happened to silver
1.4.4 took it out back (changed the projectile it shoots to its own custom one so it can deal extra dmg to werewolves)
(unlike tungsten which is literally the same projectile as musket but with added damage)
drowsy plank
turning debuffs into regen buffs is an exciting endeavour how bout you read a bo...
me when negative number turns into positive number 🤯
sorry like radiance is doing the bare minimum a numbers only accessory should be doing to be interesting, it doesnt have any sort of mechanical nuance like the ones with active abilities. so it's like the most interesting of the least interesting
drowsy plank
@bleak gorge dont spam memes; you've been given a Warn
drowsy plank
i dont think you need to go shouting to rooftops about how uninformed you are
honestly i should probably just ban you for spamming but it's not like you can post images anymore so you're harmless i guess
bleak gorge
Gang this is discrimination
plush flame
dude it was the same image in nearly every channel
bleak gorge
Nuh uh
bleak gorge
I don't think Jesus was lesbian
last shard
I don't think Jesus was lesbian
I mean the name's proclaiming they are a form of Jesus, not the base module Jesus, so it works.
last shard
No, base module Jesus not base module of Jesus.
bleak gorge
No, base module Jesus not base module *of* Jesus.
Mb gang
Oh boy here comes another one
last shard
That's like saying your tomato inside is the source material of a sandwich, not the bread it's all stacked on
bleak gorge
What does that even mean
last shard
Anyway I'm not going further on that lmao
golden sonnet
Please do not.
maiden abyss
Please do not.
Mb gang
bleak gorge
Please do not.
Nuh uh
I saw that patchy
I want to know what you were saying
Oh boy here comes the paragraph
last shard
1.4.4 took it out back (changed the projectile it shoots to its own custom one s...
I wonder why they didn't just make it apply to all lycan-like enemies
...or wait would it be -thrope enemies?
keen zodiac
Oh boy here comes the paragraph
can you stop being turbo annoying
last shard
Either way, Silver sucks in that context- should've been given effect to work against like Mermen and Face Monsters or smth too
golden sonnet
No way José
Please stop being needlessly combative. This is a verbal.
keen zodiac
if it's about discussing suggestions then yeah
bleak gorge
In media
patent nimbus
Please stop being needlessly combative. This is a verbal.
theyre already warned btw
last shard
<@1073234303208652800> dont spam memes; you've been given a Warn
cough (dw it's not a ping to cog)
golden sonnet
theyre already warned btw
Yes, that was for a different offense though so it does not get escalated. They were put on thin ice though due to the time between warn and verbal
keen zodiac
Probably? It's what the channel is for. Just not here? Idk I'm not a mod
they're warned so they lost image perms
bleak gorge
they're warned so they lost image perms
I'll stop if I get image perms back
Hey crumb
keen zodiac
golden sonnet
Crumb should I get image perms back
If you have an issue with your punishment contact modmail. Stop discussing this.
bleak gorge
Woah I got the whole gang typing
last shard
Would Silver Bullets even really need a rework tbh
golden sonnet
Idk, they are probably fine as they are, they don't need to be all that special
last shard
Like, the whole anti-werewolf thing feels like a fitting, well, silver bullet purpose
Just kinda sucks to have an "upgrade" to Musket Balls only be usable for a single enemy at a point in the game silver/tungsten bullets are super obsolete though
For an enemy that's already nothing special
knotty sun
Crumb should I get image perms back
whatd you do to get them taken...
If you got them taken it was for a reason
bleak gorge
Not anything horrible
knotty sun
Oh mb didnt see that message
golden sonnet
Oh mb didnt see that message
All good 
north oracle
Just kinda sucks to have an "upgrade" to Musket Balls only be usable for a *sing...
tungsten are better than normal for any situation, higher base damage and they convert into custom ammo from weapons
knotty sun
Crumb is cooler though
id watch it before you catch a fat perm ban
north oracle
silver were stopped from doing that for the sole purpose of letting them deal extra damage to werewolves
last shard
It would be neat to have the bonus like, work against Shapeshifter enemies? Like Vampires, Werewolves, Dr. Man Fly, etc. Could be cool to keep the niche purpose point but still be usable?
golden sonnet
Yeah, silver not getting the convert isn't exactly a fair trade off for the niche bonus damage. Like it's fun, but not really practical
last shard
I don't even play calamity idk why I'm in this server
Probably from joining a link in the Terraria main server
bleak gorge
Maybe
last shard
Since that's your tag's origin
last shard
Yeah, silver not getting the convert isn't exactly a fair trade off for the nich...
Exactly. If we make it work against Shapeshifter-ish enemies in general, it'd at least have a funny use case in like Solar Eclipse or maybe one or two Pumpkin Moon enemies iirc?
It'd be probably kind of annoying to just give the ammo type a hard list of specific enemies it'd work against though.
drowsy plank
i know red wanted to be funny but we really dont need more Warmth Potion type effects tbqh
last shard
Aye, thus hoping to sort of diversify Silver Bullets being even worse than Warmth Potion there. Like it's not even something that affects every class, it's only Ranged players using guns
why
drowsy plank
you know now that i think about it were convert bullets even intentional
fossil finch
we think the niche one off bullet with a silly interaction is fine actually
dk what u mean by intentional
drowsy plank
im pretty sure the issue is that silver was supposed to be a counterpart to tungesten so one of them is arguably just worse because converts exist but i dont even think there are any guns that convert bullets to other types of bullets in vanilla that actually keep the base damage of the original round like they do in cal
fossil finch
The reason only normal bullets convert is because the others would lose their effects and assumedly you're using them for those effects
last shard
Eh I don't like it because it is a Pre-HM ore that could replace Tungsten in worldgen
So in other words your worldgen can give you a fairly decent access advantage just based on what ores it has- it's why the Cal devs made killing Mech bosses bless the world with both ores
fossil finch
we can't even remember any conversion vanilla gun
drowsy plank
huh nope nevermind venus is a convert
golden sonnet
you know now that i think about it were convert bullets even intentional
No, it's just because they have the same projectile id
fossil finch
So in other words your worldgen can give you a fairly decent access advantage ju...
we mean its a fairly minor thing
last shard
IE: Cobalt and Palladium, Mythril and Tungsten. IIRC currently worldgen still only creates Silver or Tungsten
drowsy plank
you can always just use best of both worlds from fargos
fossil finch
like under vanilla you're always just probably going to get one of the Worse ores
last shard
So like, there are workarounds but getting stuck with the more joke ore for your ranger versus the better ore for your ranger for that world just stinks
fossil finch
Copper Iron Silver and Gold all are ever so slightly worse than their normal counterparts
drowsy plank
it's only really a problem in vanilla and frankly silver bullets not converting with the three guns that turn stuff into high velocity is more of a trivia point than a fundamental mechanic like in cal
like you can just
make high velocity rounds at that point
fossil finch
fishing and extractinator exist anyways
last shard
it's only really a problem in vanilla and frankly silver bullets not converting ...
I mean there are other guns that do that with alt effects though too no?
drowsy plank
no it's literally just those three
they're the only vanilla convert guns
bows do it more in vanilla but even then they're awfully rare
fossil finch
If you Really Really Need tungsten bullets for the extra damage like you can Fish for it
drowsy plank
yeah like in cal it is a bigger problem, but like
the easier option here just seems like making tungsten not convert tbqh
fossil finch
wdk it's rlly minor and we don't think the game owes you ultra damage maxxing even if it's completely rng whether u get it or not, moreso when there's a fairly accesible workaround eitherway
last shard
fishing and extractinator exist anyways
Neither are a good source tbh. Fishing is generally decentivized as a method because it's more or less time you spend not playing the game you get rewarded for more than time you spend in the main gameplay loop.
drowsy plank
im surprised shimmer was overlooked
but also it's goofy that you'd need to shimmer down an ore just for like
fossil finch
That's a really awkward way of framing the game having alternative options for its gameplay
drowsy plank
what 2 flat damage
last shard
im surprised shimmer was overlooked
Tbh Shimmer just is fucking wack
drowsy plank
lol
still considering how many guns in cal are bullet hoses 2 flat can actually be a lot
so idk
it's dumb any way you look at it
fossil finch
sure tbh
last shard
still considering how many guns in cal are bullet hoses 2 flat can actually be a...
Tin Armor set bonus is that iirc
fossil finch
It's also earliest game possible
last shard
And it's a huge difference for a gun like Minishark and Bullet-Filled Shotgun
Literal 33%+ damage increase
fossil finch
in the context of convert guns specifically though
drowsy plank
i mean this is true, and shark tooth can be used for a while
which is basically the same increase on those weapons
last shard
Yeah. It's not until like, Hardmode where 2-5 bonus damage is suddenly questionable
fossil finch
Yeah and how many conversion guns does cal have in prehardmode
drowsy plank
all of them
except the statigel shotgun and bullet-filled
all of them are converts
fossil finch
what the fuck is wrong with calamity dawg
drowsy plank
archer, fungicide, and aquashard are all converts
last shard
Yeah and how many conversion guns does cal have in prehardmode
Oh boy. We're not counting conversion in this case- we're talking Silver Bullet effect. Especially ones like Crackshot Colt where it uses very specific convert
last shard
So the bullets getting convert matters there a lot.
drowsy plank
oh i forgot about crackshot
plush flame
eviscerator
drowsy plank
so that's 5/7
fossil finch
Personally we'd go with the remove tungsten because that's funnier and we hate ranger players
last shard
But even in the case of Tungsten vs Silver in Calamity, that's a very big thing given how much little flat boosts are at that point
drowsy plank
evicerator is a convert it turns it into a blood clot
i play ranger but i agree that just removing tungsten is the easier option here
fossil finch
All in all if you wanna maximize damage it's okay for fishing to be needed for that depending purely on pure worldgen rng imo #solarcrowntake
drowsy plank
i wonder if you could just make cal convert guns ignore silver and treat it as a normal bullet...
after all, it just works by checking for a projectile ID, right?
last shard
There's 7 Pre-HM guns from Calamity alone, not counting any reworked Vanilla guns like Boomstick getting downed 3 points, High-Velo going up 2 points, Meteor Shot getting double velo same as Musket Balls, Pew-Matic up 5, etc
tepid crown
after all, it just works by checking for a projectile ID, right?
for modded weapons yea
dunno about vanilla tho
maybe its the same
drowsy plank
i dont think anybody give a fuck about what uzi, magnum, and sniper are doing tbqh
fossil finch
It's okay nobody us going to be checking if silver and tungsten bullets get converted by the fucking sniper rifle
last shard
So like, I'd say if the gap of just 2-4 damage alone was worthy tweak values for Pre-HM, that should be considered
last shard
It's okay nobody us going to be checking if silver and tungsten bullets get conv...
Cal has a bunch of cool sniper variants
IE: Anti-Materiel, Tyranny's End
drowsy plank
cal's custom snipers are not the vanilla sniper
fossil finch
ok? Not talking about them
last shard
True, I just like the snipers :3
fossil finch
it's also very unlikely people would be using those with either bullets anyway
last shard
(hehe midas prime alt into sniper = big shot)
last shard
after all, it just works by checking for a projectile ID, right?
Probably, tbh. I think Musket/Silver/Tungsten all use the same visual projectile too.
plush flame
doesn't revolver also convert to high velocity
keen zodiac
mods kill them
hollow shell
@covert aspen Don't do that.
half imp
oh the one thing about tungsten
We made Endless Musket Pouch do the same dmg as tungsten for 2.1
keen zodiac
pog
covert aspen
<@559776864462307331> Don't do that.
I am extremely sorry sir
He was calling the calamity background lame
I thought his brain was missing
Won’t happen again
hollow shell
Kinda reductive and rude to respond to a suggestion like that so yes please don't do it again
Thank you for apologizing
glass arch
Eh I don't like it because it is a Pre-HM ore that could replace Tungsten in wor...
halfway
dense locust
We made Endless Musket Pouch do the same dmg as tungsten for 2.1
yeah but you cant get inf pouch till hm and this seems more geared towards pre hm
glass arch
you still get the alt ores in planetoids iirc
glass arch
dunno about vanilla tho
vanilla checks projectile id for converts yes
specifically projectile 14
which is why silver bullets got fucked
they dont use that projectile id anymore theirs is something like projectile 361
distant gyro
still considering how many guns in cal are bullet hoses 2 flat can actually be a...
2 base damage. might be the significance here
distant gyro
except the statigel shotgun and bullet-filled
BFS is a convert; fires explosive realm ravager rounds
frozen kite
who pinged me in #suggestions-posting ...
keen zodiac
who pinged me in <#699359022364491868> ...
someone replied with a shitty reaction image
to your title screen sugg
covert aspen
someone replied with a shitty reaction image
keen zodiac
yes that one
drowsy plank
BFS is a convert; fires explosive realm ravager rounds
oh, the tooltip doesn't specify that it's a convert, that should prolly be addressed
oh well
it does say they're exploding
hm
weird that every other gun specifies that it's a convert tho
distant gyro
its a convert everything type
looks like most convert all type weapons never specify it in vanilla
blood rain bow, ice bow, shadowflame bow, pulse bow, aerial bane never specify anything about being convert all
molten fury, the bee's knees, and hellwing bow are all descriptive about being convert one
uzi, venus magnus, and sniper rifle never imply they only convert regular bullets
marrow, phantom phoenix, eventide straight up say nothing meaningful
keen zodiac
relogic ☕
crude geode
1.4.5 coming never
echo leaf
👍
keen zodiac
truw
hollow shell
Asgard's Valor is a cooler name on its own imo
Asgardian Aegis can be the one to change
Could try and grab from another religious/mythological afterlife
Already got Ankh from the Egyptians and Asgard from the Norse
coral carbon
Could try and grab from another religious/mythological afterlife
somethin like Olympian Targe 😭
dense ravine
olympian would b cool
hollow shell
Considering it's the end of its line and DoG's theme of surpassing other gods, I was almost thinking, like
going for one of those insane speculative super religio-mythologies that combine the gods and stories of many mythologies into one
coral carbon
the pagan protector
coral carbon
damn okay
hollow shell
I don't actually know much about either Suspiria film and was under the impression Mother Suspiriorum was a "pre-God deity" which idk if that's ever made explicit
novel belfry
Considering it's the end of its line and DoG's theme of surpassing other gods, I...
what about
dyeus
that name is a reconstruction of a really ancient sky god
errant wren
spaghetti protectti, final answer
hollow shell
dyeus
Only if we actually get to spell it like *Dyḗus in-game
( *Dʰéǵʰōm would be even funnier.)
coral carbon
( *Dʰéǵʰōm would be even funnier.)
novel belfry
Only if we actually get to spell it like *Dyḗus in-game
you do not want to know what i seriously considered as a response to that
(wait)
(that word i was thinking isnt explicit?)
okay then
Dyeus Defenestrator
errant wren
that sounds epic
hollow shell
novel belfry
for some reason i never actually knew what defenestration meant and assumed it meant something extremely explict
and not... throwing people outside a window
hollow shell
The tooltip needs to be " *h₁e gʷʰent h₁ógʷʰim " at least
novel belfry
these names are so absurd man
hollow shell
They're all reconstructed hypothetical words and were never real language
novel belfry
like, *Dyḗus? You can EXTREMELY easily extrapolate how "deus" and "zeus" and "dyaus" and even "dievas" could be used as a basis to construct that
"*H₂n̥gʷʰis"?
i dont
that is just an eldritch word if i ever seen one
hollow shell
People get college degrees in this shit so I assume they did some insane research and formulation to reconstruct that
novel belfry
mind you im almost certain these never were written down
hollow shell
... anyway this is all quite off-topic, sorry
If anything, good inspo source I hadn't thought of before
novel belfry
agreed
indigo yacht
rename it to supper plate
half imp
The thing an Asgardian Aegis rename needs to beat is the fact it makes so much sense
Elysian Aegis + Asgard's Valor = Asgardian Aegis
Asgard's Valor being Norse also makes a lot of sense for reasons I don't know if are public yet
Perhaps a reference to Valhalla would be fitting
indigo yacht
considering elysium is Greek mythology i would call it quite random instead with the only connecting thread being the replacement of Elys with Asgard
half imp
yes, but it's replaced with asgard because the other shield you combine with Elysian Aegis is Asgard's Valor
indigo yacht
which is again random, elysium is a place in hell where the "good people" go, and asgard is the home of the gods
they have no relationship
this isn't related to Asgards valor vs Asgardian aegis i just think it's dumb
also aegis is a shield in greek mythology
half imp
yes
golden sonnet
This is finished btw, but will wait for the bot to revive so I can 🏁 it in voting #suggestions-posting message
keen zodiac
@inland saddle helppppp
lucid marsh
Hey I have asked about this once before but I don't think anyone ever talked about it when I suggested it, so I guess I should again...?
I was thinking of a good way to rework the charge mechanic. I think I'm allowed to suggest that...?
Although it probably won't be accepted by the devs
lucid marsh
Oh. Since when?
keen zodiac
since when what
lucid marsh
When was it announced that the charge mechanic is being removed?
keen zodiac
several months ago