suggestions-discussion

[lucid marsh]

Yeah I think mana potions should not exist

If you wanted to make something similar good, there's a better way

Make an accessory that lets you spend your HP as mana, and gives you a damage boost when you do so, which increases the more you do like a reverse mana sickness

Not the same as chaos stone

[gilded citrus]

Hey its becoming better with its sso rework

[tepid crown]

[lucid marsh]

its not the same because instead of getting burned you spend the exact amount of hp as mana

but apparently thats getting changed

[thorn heath]

ngl you should be able to see the affect of deep divers dash if its in vanities slot when ur using another shield or smth

[half imp]

This is like basically new chaos stone

Technically it doesn't use your life as Mana but negative mana is directly proportional to the DPS you take

[lucid marsh]

Oh ok close enough

[frail mantle]

infernal flame path of exile 2

[grave zinc]

@dusty atlas - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Replace the throwing bricks in the starter bag with a non-consumable item like an old dagger]

It has been voted upon by the devs, and although it did not receieve enough positive votes to pass, the final results were very close.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@solar vine - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Draedon's dates be in YYYY-MM-DD format]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@next glacier - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Drill Containment Unit able to mine any ores minable by your carried pickaxe.]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@thorn dock - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[give fungal clump a hardmode upgrade it evolves into]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[lucid marsh]

Sad

[mossy warren]

How many votes are required for a suggestion to be accepted?

[crude geode]

Not a specific amount

The top 20% of suggestions get sent to dev every week, and then any ones the devs like in that batch get approved

[mossy warren]

Got it, thanks

[dusty atlas]

damn

its joever

[gritty plaza]

based

[bronze magnet]

buffing true melee by giving it the "true damage" mechanic

[drowsy plank]

what

[bronze magnet]

true damage is a type of damage that bypasses enemy defense

[drowsy plank]

yeah no that's not happening

there's already some swords that do that and it's never been called true damage so i assume that title is from some other source but there's literally no reason reason to make that applicable to all true melee swords or something

they're not weak so that's just a pointless buff

[olive saddle]

you must understand the funny red sword must be buffed again... the people yearn for another funny sword buff...

[drowsy plank]

why

[gilded citrus]

They dont need it

[solar vine]

True damage is a common RPG term, which usually means:

• bypasses all defense
• bypasses all defensive mechanics
• bypasses elemental weakness and resistance
• bypasses damage types
• bypasses stat changes on you
  Or some combination of those

I agree that there's no need for it balancing wise but it would be cool

[drowsy plank]

why would it be cool

it's just a numbers buff you literally would not even be able to tell the difference when using it

[half imp]

yeah that just sounds like a not noticable difference and/or balancing nightmare

like... If we make them ignore defense then the damage numbers are nerfed to compensate for defense

You end up dealing the same damage

[umbral gazelle]

game balance the moment true damage got added to the game: 📉

[errant wren]

the only things that should be getting true damage are pickaxes

because why would you use a pickaxe against literally any boss

[indigo yacht]

funny

[plush flame]

because it deals a shitton of damage

[echo leaf]

This one psychopath used Picksaw against a post-Cultist Infernum boss

[errant wren]

ok but what if, hypothetically, tools didn't benefit from melee bonuses (i don't play this game enough to remember if they do)

[echo leaf]

they do benefit from melee bonuses

most are considered true melee

barring like, laser drill

[errant wren]

make them do tool damage

only buffed by like

reaver

[echo leaf]

please don’t

the Destroyer resistances section would have to get even more bloated if the devs have to add a 90% tool resistance to it

[obsidian nova]

Shooted

[oblique birch]

Pickaxes becoming meta anyways

no needs

[errant wren]

what if we also made tools just do awful damage

like 12 by post-ml

[obsidian nova]

Why is 🔄 not in pinned btw?

[obsidian nova]

People have beaten a game with a lawnmower, so you really shouldn't underestimate their commitment to doing stupid shit just for the heck of it

[plush flame]

which wasnt even a challenge btw

its just making an afk setup

[obsidian nova]

The humble Photon Ripper

[obsidian nova]

My point still stands

Plus, the same person has beaten the game with a copper shortsword as well so

[mystic sandal]

same thing, effectively

[plush flame]

also its more intentionally using a pickaxe as an actual weapon rather than trying to find an afk setup with a pickaxe as your damage when it could be replaced by literally any other shit

also ive stopped taking sorbet cafe (the guy you're referencing) seriously ever since he complained about modded items having long tooltips (its three fucking lines dude)

who also said that he'd perfer is the community's tooltip was just something like "increases all stats"

he also fought eternity eow for 16 minutes because he dismissed every new item

and used a weapon that is specifically shit against worms

[distant gyro]

the pinholder is no longer active

@hollow shell thoughts

[gritty plaza]

can they not unpin that and just make a new post?

[distant gyro]

usurp the pin

[indigo yacht]

can we explode this user

[errant wren]

i did not realize me being stupid would result in an actual discussion

[indigo yacht]

high school

[errant wren]

yes i am high and seeking an education

[crude geode]

My name isn’t school

[half imp]

This is true

[distant gyro]

its so fun and rewarding

[indigo yacht]

they should give hellborn a stealth strike

[drowsy plank]

mmmmmmmmmmmm

[glass arch]

what do you mean second

[drowsy plank]

dont like it but i guess it isn't technically violating the rules

incredibly weak reasoning though

[glass arch]

there already isnt an upgrade

[hot scarab]

well i didnt really know how to word that so i did it like that

[drowsy plank]

why not just user laser machinegun tbqh

[hot scarab]

maybe im just biased cause i like it a lot

[drowsy plank]

or lahzar

[hot scarab]

i dont use lahzar very much
except for like astrum deus maybe

[drowsy plank]

when was the last time you played because lahzar sucks for multitarget now

[glass arch]

ok well lazhar is dying

[drowsy plank]

oh is it

funny

still

[glass arch]

yes

[drowsy plank]

laser machinegun

[glass arch]

its been in changelogs since last year

[hot scarab]

im doing a run like right now. i have lahzar but i havent used it against astrum deus yet

[drowsy plank]

you think i remember that shit we have fabsol overthrown there's been a bit of stuff happening between now and then

[hot scarab]

i didnt know they murked it

[drowsy plank]

oh funny

[glass arch]

i miss old lazhar

i miss the funny kill deus button

[hot scarab]

yeah i remember it used to be really effective against deus

man 🥀

[severe sparrow]

nah
he made picksaw work against argus

[indigo yacht]

i am aware

that's why i said it

[uncut fog]

I think necklace is good as it is, a 20% dmg buff is pretty hefty compared to some other items

[thorn dock]

Thing is both effect are conditional, effect a is ineffective without the regenator and probably averages around 10% or less for most Boss Fights.

Effect b wants reaver armor.

So you have to build around that, as a standalone with no support its rather mediocre.

Compare it to destroyer emblem, which gives unconditional 10% damage & 8% crit

Thats kinda the equal to what vexation gives at conditional

[uncut fog]

Unfortunately i think crit happens after defense so its worse slightly less than pure damage but I kinda like these conditionals where building around it results in more damage

[thorn dock]

So 2 conditional effects beeing fine? Hm

On the other hand crit gets supported, there are effects that proc on crit

[olive saddle]

making it more generic
😭

[thorn dock]

Well its restrictive if it wants you to run regenator and the reaver armor set

But if you like it I m retracting the sug

[half imp]

@thorn dock this has already been done

In dev build Vexation no longer requires Reaver Armor and the dmg is a smooth scaling from 0-30% depending on lost HP

[thorn dock]

Oh awesome, ty. Retracting it

New regenator builds for sure will be glassy

[grave zinc]

@solar vine - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Draedon's dates be in YYYY-MM-DD format]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[solar vine]

yay

[gritty plaza]

yay

[drowsy plank]

@mossy warren hmm... i feel like i might need to flag this, but, even considering your specific outlining of functionality, it's probably like, okay to allow?

my main point is you should be focusing more on why this needs to be done or how this would improve the game than what exact functionality should be added

what

no you just cant say the specific way it should be fixed which is what you do by saying "add these specific upgrades"

you need to explain the problems, the devs decide how to solve it

[mossy warren]

ah, I understand

[mossy warren]

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I just don't know English very well and have to use a translator

[drowsy plank]

ur good

[indigo yacht]

I don't think this is a good suggestion

plants are already not very hard to get, and with the changes cal is making in sso they'll be even easier

adding stuff like upgrades to the staff of regrowth is not going to help when the fundamental problem is that people just don't bother to get that stuff to begin with

although i guess i don't think there's anything wrong with an upgraded alchemy table other than it being kind of unnecessary

[mossy warren]

what changes will there be?

[mystic sandal]

“Always drop 1-2 seeds” is before staff of regrowth right?

[oblique birch]

of course

[mystic sandal]

Right just wanted to make sure

[mossy warren]

Cool, but my changes are more aimed at reducing the need to re-assemble them, which in my opinion is the biggest turn-off for players (although these changes also help with that)

[mystic sandal]

I feel like having all potion stuff available pre-boss is a good thing personally

Except for alchemy table

[indigo yacht]

alchemy table more or less isnt

[mystic sandal]

Because it’s VERY strong

Like probably too strong

[indigo yacht]

it's a 33% chance not to consume a potion ingredient

how is that any stronger than staff of regrowth or alluring bait increasing yield

[mystic sandal]

Eh actually yeah you’re prob right

Either way I think potions are good as is with those SSO changes

[half imp]

We have actually already made changes to potion plants to make them easier tonget

And the brewing system will replace blood orb recipes when that's finished

[gritty plaza]

oh that's cool

[echo leaf]

NOOO MY BLORB FARM

please don’t make me use more than zero braincells i don’t have that many to spare

[oblique birch]

you will need to go around the world to find unusual ingredients

[weary bane]

put scoria and fire into a keg and you get a cinnamon roll (drink)

[oblique birch]

too far into the game

I think Doze said the materials will be available at the start

just need to get there in the first place

because why locking funny drinks that far away right

[weary bane]

alcohols be neat but i've never really used them

[oblique birch]

they aren't that funny right now

[weary bane]

true

just kinda stat changes rather than having unique effects

though i guess there's the alcohols that make certain debuffs more effective but that never really comes up

[echo leaf]

I’ve heard of really cool things coming when alcohols get reworked

gonna go from buyable potions to a much deeper mechanic

[gaunt quest]

The ingredients will be locked behind giving kiri electrons equal to the number of ingredients

[oblique birch]

😨

I'd die

[tepid crown]

its for the greater good

[royal tapir]

Happy Kiri gets ripped apart at the atomic level Day

[half imp]

Not all of them

the catalysts will be available throughout the game at different points

Blood Orbs are post EoC and are the "base" of the brews

[median scaffold]

Alcohols post-EoC......

[oblique birch]

guh...

[median scaffold]

[half imp]

Bloody Mary will be post EoC

[median scaffold]

Hope Moonshine will be unlocked in pre-Hardmode

[half imp]

lemme check

[median scaffold]

[half imp]

nope

It's hardmode

[median scaffold]

Moonshine or Bloody Mary?

[half imp]

Moonshine

[median scaffold]

Yeah, that was a joke

It being post-Golem / Ravager is fine

[half imp]

it's post wof

bone dust and life fruit

[median scaffold]

Awesome, actually

[half imp]

bloody mary is probably the first alcohol introduction to a lot of players

bc it's a bloody tear

[median scaffold]

I really like the change for Bloody Mary

[oblique birch]

Bloody Tear still crafted with 10 blood orbs right

[median scaffold]

I'm not sure what to do with Bloody Tear, tbh

Is the recipe really necessary, when you need Blood Moon to get materials for it in the first place?

[oblique birch]

graveyard

[half imp]

graveyard

but also the recipe can die & just boost graveyard drop rates of it

[median scaffold]

I would agree with that

Don't think Blood Orbs drop that often from Graveyard enemies

[half imp]

we've boosted those rates

[oblique birch]

then it's just farming for the drop

[half imp]

I mean that's already a thing

blood orbs drop in graveyard in Vanilla

It's just super super rare

[oblique birch]

no I mean bloody tear

[half imp]

I meant tear

[oblique birch]

you said bloody tear is the catalyst for Bloody Mary

[half imp]

Blood Orbs are not a vanilla item

[half imp]

yes

Bloody Mary is intentionally one of the easiest to get alcohol

[oblique birch]

1% chance drop 🫠

[half imp]

It's a 7x spawn booster but every enemy hit causes piercing weapons to deal 20% less damage

(if something ignores pierce resistance then it just does 25% of its normal dmg always)

basically zerg pot but stronger and also way higher risk

[oblique birch]

I don't like the idea of farming for bloody tear itself...

unless it's not 1% anymore

[median scaffold]

Increasing its drop chance and then deleting the recipe sounds like the best course of action

There's really no reason for the recipe to exist if Blood Tear stays non-consumable

[half imp]

It's not hard to get in a blood moon

[median scaffold]

I think we both are mostly talking about Graveyard

[half imp]

in a graveyard I mentioned we'd boost the drops

[median scaffold]

What about the recipe?

[oblique birch]

that's good then

[half imp]

this would be if the recipe dies

Blood Orb drops have already been boosted in a graveyard in dev

[median scaffold]

Sounds great

[oblique birch]

orba

[median scaffold]

Tbh, doubt someone will use Graveyard as an actual Blood Orb drops

If Blood Moon stays the same and doesn't get buffed throughout the playthrough or something, that is...

[indigo yacht]

can you make it so that if you have a bloody tear in your inventory no more will drop from enemies 🙏

or like sell for something

[half imp]

I could but I won't

well sell price I might

[median scaffold]

What if....
Stackable Blood Tears that you can uncraft for more orbs..............

[rapid pivot]

What would you all think of a suggestion to slightly lower the drop rate of Wingman? Not by too much, but like.. 25% from a semi-common enemy during a farming event kinda leaves me with inventories full of the things.

[half imp]

that's a reasonable suggestion

[royal tapir]

Already got changed

It's 1.5% from most normal Martian enemies, 10% from Martian Engineer

[distant gyro]

thats really not that big of a change

[novel belfry]

@urban berry there are actually hostile lab turrets, but for some reason they're not actually obtainable

you should probably rewrite your sugg to go along the lines of "Make the Hostile Lab Turrets obtainable"

[keen zodiac]

what if you could craft them in ecto mist

[main oxide]

I'd definitely vote for the spawn proofing one
Very helpful, would take if given the option to

[keen zodiac]

@gaunt totem could you consider adding something to the sugg about making the item wordings less confusing

bc right now it doesn't tell you if "enabled" means the enemy spawn is enabled, or the item blocking the spawn is

[glass arch]

that doesnt matter though

it doesnt matter which state is enabled or not, the suggestion just wants the states to be consistent

[keen zodiac]

ig

it just hurts my brain every time i have to read it

[gaunt totem]

The wordings are pretty confusing, but I think that might be its own separate fix? I don't want to run foul of some sort of two suggestions in one thing

[keen zodiac]

yeah you're right

i'll suggest something about that like next week

[gaunt totem]

Well I'll absolutely vote for it when you do 👍

[obsidian nova]

The nefarious demonshade rework:

[obsidian nova]

You mean it'll get removed right?

[keen zodiac]

yeah

in sso

[urban berry]

oh
wait why are they existing but not obtainable

[oblique birch]

Spawn proofing item states need to not get reset every time I load the world

Calamity's one specifically

Vanilla does it with on/off state items

Other mods do it too, it just makes sense

Also different sprite for different state would be nice, I mean just to be consistent with vanilla

[gaunt totem]

I was thinking about the Encumbering/Uncumbering Stone and how that works, yes. I might put that as part of the suggestion too, since it's specifically about the state swapping and not the text

[drowsy plank]

@gaunt totem this seems like a bug

[oblique birch]

Really?

[keen zodiac]

that's unexpected

[drowsy plank]

feels weird for them to randomly flip states when you leave the world

does encumbering stone or shellphone change states like that?

[gaunt totem]

Well that's why I made the suggestion, yes

[drowsy plank]

i dont think they do

it should be in #1052323733961977947

that's where bugs go

[keen zodiac]

i thought it was intentional since it's been a thing for years

[gaunt totem]

Fair enough, I'll read through the requirements for reporting a bug and move it over there

[oblique birch]

No the Calamity's ones always reset back to the default state, which is off

[drowsy plank]

im not asking about the calamity ones, the vanilla ones dont change state right? so the calamity ones shouldnt either

which would make this a bug

[oblique birch]

Ye

Even if it's not should get changed too, to be consistent with vanilla

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-posting message There is already a unique system being made for creating alcohol

[half imp]

@mossy lantern tavernkeep menu is already full of options due to the Eternia Crystal button

Also, alcohol has a planned new obtainment system anyway

[undone cedar]

I think a different obtainment system is more interesting and requiring some effort for buff potions is neat

[gritty plaza]

Do we know what the new obtainment system is going to be?

I heard the weird mushroom is getting moved to grow in the astral infection but I can't remember if that's confirmed or just someone said "this would be cool"

[mossy lantern]

I said a 2nd shop. Similar to how there is a reforge menu and a shop on goblin tinkerer

[drowsy plank]

yeah which is taken up by the eternia crystal button

he already has 2 buttons

[median scaffold]

Make a third one

[half imp]

He has four

[median scaffold]

A fifth one*, oop

[half imp]

Shop
Eternia Crystal
Happiness
Close

[drowsy plank]

right

[half imp]

There's no room for more

[mossy lantern]

As long as the new alcohol obtainment system comes out within the year and it doesn't require a ton of crafting I'll be fine with it

[half imp]

either way though alcohol's new obtainment system conflicts entirely with making it sold by tavernkeep

[drowsy plank]

should i flag this if it would basically require a complete overhaul of the dialogue system to be added anyway

[undone cedar]

1000 buttons to tavernkeep

[half imp]

it conflicts with existing plans so it'd get locked

[drowsy plank]

fair

ill just do that when it reaches voting then

[half imp]

the new alcohol system technically requires very little crafting

[keen zodiac]

new brewing station

[tepid crown]

it was an accepted suggestion

[half imp]

Because it is a whole custom brewing system

[gritty plaza]

Oh very cool

[median scaffold]

Is it particularly grindy?

[mossy lantern]

As long as isn't too complex, or requires plants since i really dont wonna wait for plants to grow for me to get my beloved liver poisoning

[half imp]

it's yet to be implemented

[half imp]

plants are being buffed to be more farmable, but it won't use them

[median scaffold]

Download DragonLens and inflict yourself with an 8 hour long poisoning

[mossy lantern]

Oh didn't know that. That is actually amazing

[half imp]

it will work by each alcohol/potion having one or two "key" ingredients

That work alongside Blood Orbs and fuel to make the alcohol

More Blood Orbs provides higher yield for the amount of key ingredients

More fuel means the brew finishes faster

[keen zodiac]

dope

[half imp]

There's a limit to total input, so it's about balancing speed vs yield to your preferences

it will also very likely replace blood orb recipes for potions in general

[median scaffold]

Sounds pretty neat

[gritty plaza]

yeah that's really cool

is that for all brewing or just alcohol?

[half imp]

As well, almost every alcohol is being entirely reworked in function

[half imp]

All brewing

[gritty plaza]

niiiiiice

[half imp]

Alcohol will be brewing exclusive

Other stuff you can craft like normal or brew

[mossy lantern]

Gotta thank you, you answered all my questions perfectly, and you helped me alot with other stuff before. You are such an amazing dev, and i hope you continue to be amazing👍

[dim rapids]

guys was there ever a bug with the providence staff (dazzling stabber staff) which it would completely ignore the monster defense and deal true damage? we are currently post polterghast but my friend staff could shred yharon and nearly killed it

[drowsy plank]

#help-advice-read-pins or #1052323733961977947

[glass arch]

cal ones should but afaik there isnt actually anything in the code to keep the states consistent between world loading

so it wouldnt be a bug, it would be most likely an oversight or inconsistency with vanilla

[obsidian nova]

Hey guys can anyone please suggest any arguments for flipping the auric console/server inventory sprites other than "for consistency"?

[tepid crown]

no

but

if u do it, ull get 500 votes anyways

[tiny minnow]

There used to be a bug that let you get lab turrets.

[tardy geyser]

they should let you buy all the items from shops, or better yet just have a menu that lets you grab them whenever you want

[echo leaf]

‘For considtency’s sake’ is a good enough justification for a suggestion, I’m pretty sure

If you can point out the pattern that it breaks then it’s A-OK

[urban berry]

@mossy lantern that's not much of a change
You're just paying for something you can already make, and removing the crafting method.

[umbral gazelle]

thats basically a sheet for cheat...,,,,

lets say..,, you dont even need a lens of the Dragon to see that its cheating...,,,,

[tepid crown]

youd be quite the hero if you could make a mod of that

[indigo yacht]

you're all going to die

[tepid crown]

:3

[keen zodiac]

speedrunning breaking every single SIS rule

[drowsy plank]

@lunar tangle please read the pinned rules document

also this is just like. shadowspec dodu's handcannon anyway

[lunar tangle]

mb

why did they remove dodus handcannon anyways?

[drowsy plank]

donor asked it be removed

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-voting message So uhhhh, how did this get in #suggestions-voting

[grave zinc]

@mossy lantern - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[make the tavernkeep have a 2nd store for alcohol]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[half imp]

we already talked about this but for other people seeing the message: this conflicts with existing plans a new alcohol obtainment system

[grave zinc]

@rapid pivot - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Reduce the drop rate of the Wingman]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[whole tundra]

[grave zinc]

@forest glen - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rebalance the the Deific Amulet and its upgrades.]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[half imp]

I should have marked this as done ages ago oops

deific on hit effect is actually impactful now

Rampart on hit still feels a bit weak even after I buffed it though

[indigo yacht]

realistically, the sort of people who will suggest this are not the ones who will look

[obsidian nova]

I can't read I'm a||n Undertale|| Calamity fan!

[serene vapor]

#suggestions-voting message me

[polar bison]

@obsidian nova https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/1362415721245839561

Thought you’d like to see this

[half imp]

yes, but it's mostly for other people who notice it's locked and wanna see why

[obsidian nova]

I see
That's cool

[vapid crane]

thank god

[whole tundra]

bot died

[tepid crown]

@inland saddle

[glass arch]

it is?

what suggestion should have been passed

[whole tundra]

The only post currently in #suggestions-posting was posted 27 hours ago

[glass arch]

yeah isnt it a 48 hour wait

[whole tundra]

no it's 24 hours

Says in the pin of that channel

[drowsy plank]

you can just tap the bot

it's offline

[tepid crown]

how do u mess this up again

😭

[glass arch]

i dont pay attention to anything

[distant gyro]

this is the part where i consider the opposite suggestion

it's probably reasonable that you can't use infected stones to make bricks

[drowsy plank]

not even pearlstone?

[indigo yacht]

add infected stone bricks

[distant gyro]

pearlstone feels pretty different from regular stone i think

either way chlorophyte extractinator also helps making any not stone stone turn into stone

so its also decently helped that that's the case

[mystic sandal]

personally id be happy with going either way

i just prefer the one that gives slightly more options for people scrolling through crafting menus

[keen zodiac]

the tavernkeep shop sugg has 40 stars

[indigo yacht]

i hate the calamity community

[rapid pivot]

Any thoughts on a suggestion to despawn the lunatic cultists upon the summoning of Polterghast?

[keen zodiac]

why are you that close to the entrance

huh

[rapid pivot]

I'm not.

[keen zodiac]

what's the issue then

[rapid pivot]

I'm a mage. I'm guessing at least one of my weapons has a far enough range to actually hit the guys when aiming at the wrong angle. Either that or they somehow manage to wander down there.

[keen zodiac]

that ain't normal

[rapid pivot]

I've summoned the cultist about 5 times mid-polter fight.

[oblique birch]

go to the bottom of the dungeon, Calamity already has a natural generated arena for Polterghast

[keen zodiac]

it's infernum

cv is there

[oblique birch]

what's the problem?

[keen zodiac]

.....cv is there

[oblique birch]

you're not gonna using Rune of Kos to summon CV mid fight

it's just there

[rapid pivot]

cv's not active and besides that i didn't really want to consider infernum when making a calam sugg

wasn't aware that the archive was a base calam structure

fair enough

[drowsy plank]

one of them definetly just followed you after you hit one of the others

im not even sure entities should be loaded in at that distance? how are you getting to your arena and do you have something that could be poking one of them or something?

very strange

[errant wren]

i feel like i have had this problem, but definitely not from that distance

[rapid pivot]

Teleportation.

[bold crown]

rip suggestion bot

[whole tundra]

It wasn't my fault this time

[drowsy plank]

ugh this one hurt to read

so basically like

you want to be able to touch the ground while on a mount, get your flight time back, then like jump and dismount and still be able to fly? is that right?

[errant wren]

yoshi

[drowsy plank]

@frozen kite

[errant wren]

that's just jumping off a yoshi

wait i misunderstood

[frozen kite]

yeah

[frozen kite]

i thought i made it clear enough mb….

[errant wren]

it was kind of all over the place

[frozen kite]

i’ve been using cursed sapling

[upbeat tundra]

I doubt any staff here would outright say it out of propriety, but it’s probably just too niche a scenario to be worth the trouble of implementing. Rewriting base flight logic would likely be a headache too.

[frozen kite]

true….

[tardy berry]

I will PayPal someone to bring this guy back

[glass arch]

a) wrong channel b) you can do that on your own

[drowsy plank]

go hire someone from the tmod discord or smthn

[tardy berry]

Is that a thing

[keen zodiac]

yeah

#other-discords

[drowsy plank]

i mean idk if they have an explict channel for it but im sure you could find someone

[main oxide]

They do kinda

There's a request one in the special tab

[gaunt crystal]

what is that?

[tardy berry]

old ravager sprite

from calamity

he was green with sky island bricks and stuff

[keen zodiac]

it was originally gonna be used for a miniboss called the scavenger but they stuck it on the boss instead

and then changed the sprite exactly two (2) days later

[indigo yacht]

i cant imagine why

[drowsy plank]

honestly

yeah

like i get it but

[kindred creek]

Holy shit, Cog actually agrees with me?

[drowsy plank]

ur just gonna use statue mobs or bosses or something to get the numbers, assuming you even bother at all

i get it's like... probably a reference to the old proficiency system or something? but it just Doesn't like. Add Anything to it

especially with such a high cap

i like the idea of a levelling accessory

that's cool

but the expected powerlevel and where it starts from, along with how mindless it is to reach the end just leaves it

in a weird spot

[kindred creek]

I mean, it’s either give it a max cap that can just be farmed with an AFK farm or uncap it and make it kinda busted.

[drowsy plank]

especially considering you literally have One Boss Left after that

maybe two

[kindred creek]

I mean, there’s boss rush, but yeah.

[drowsy plank]

boss rush isnt real and also realistically there is a non-zero chance that might just be what you use to farm it anyway considering how quick people just dump the game after killing exos and scal

cant blame them either, i do it too because shadowspec tier is just nothing rn and boss rush is even more nothing because there's like 60 bosses

[novel belfry]

It’s probably a reference to the fact that it’s an upgrade to an accessory that scales up as you continue to play the game

[kindred creek]

That’s why we need Yharim, to give a reason to get full shadowspec.

[drowsy plank]

i meant the levelling specifically

after dealing X damage

cause that's what proficiency used to do, level up after doing X class damage and give you stats

[drowsy plank]

yharim is like the endgame of both the game and actual development and also shadowspec is just going to be moved after him anyway

the bars specifically tho

the armor is just becoming scal armor i think

[kindred creek]

So I assume it will remain shadowspec bars for now, but will have a new material when it’s moved later in progression?

[drowsy plank]

demonshade will prolly be made with ashes but shadowspec and everything else made with it will be moved

[obsidian nova]

Can you PayPal me? I'll bring him back in my eventual Calamity fan game

[obsidian nova]

Then what's even the point of these weapons if you don't have anyone to use them on?!?

[stable kiln]

I dont mind this suggestion but its a dev item + if it passes I'd much prefer it just be 25% because uncapped is a bad idea

[half imp]

yeah uncapped is a bad idea

I don't expect it to be changed since I'm pretty sure putting the investment into it is a purposeful part of it's design

It becomes Just Another Accessory without that

[stable kiln]

its ozzs item right

worth asking if he'd at all consider the sugg

[half imp]

yeah it's ozz's

[crude geode]

I mean, if the investment is just time it’s kind of a blegh investment. Isn’t that the reason raider’s talisman was changed?

[half imp]

idk anything about raiders changes

But like, any investment comes down to being a time investment at the end of the day

[crude geode]

Raider’s talisman used to increase your rogue damage for every crit, up to 15% damage after landing 150 crits, lasting until death

[half imp]

oh that sucks

The thing with Shattered Community is it's an exhume of an item that upgrades throughout the game

Thematically it makes a heck of a lot of sense for it to upgrade too

[stable kiln]

@hearty yew I think you should review this suggestion since its your dev item and if you're not ok with it we should flag it

the last one sent

[keen zodiac]

omfg lotus in name

[hearty yew]

Nope! shattered community's rage leveling system was made to do four things:

1. be an accessory mechanic that was fundamentally impossible to balance but was forced into the game via a dedicated item (it originally infinitely scaled). I backed down from this, which led to the current iteration
2. in line with the above, thematically represent that infinite persistence and hatred can and will destroy anything.
3. be a direct upgrade / replacement to the community which couldn't be stacked with the original
4. give players something to do while they ground boss rush

I think there was an iteration of shattered community which had like 60 levels instead of 25

[half imp]

That sounds hilarious

[hearty yew]

so basically the reason it is the way it is now is because it was actually balanced (due to being post scal instead of shadow spec tier)

it used to be intentionally overpowered if you bothered to farm out all 60 levels

which iirc required doing something close to a billion damage

[north oracle]

what if we made it infinite again but increased the scaling to ludicrous levels

[hearty yew]

yeah I would fully support that

it's supposed to be thematic for endless hatred which ruins everything

and a fun permanent damage counter basically

"oh I've done 492 million damage with rage mode"

[north oracle]

the calamity community at it's finest /j

[hearty yew]

yes, that's the joke

I got the idea originally in the wake of dokuro's departure, but I didn't want to make it too on the nose

...at least, that's what I remember, it's been a long time

[half imp]

what if infinite scaling was enabled once you're post exos too

not an unheard of precedent for items to do that

[hearty yew]

yeah I'd be fine with that

level cap is normally 25

becomes infinite post exos

[north oracle]

true, that should handle any balance concerns (because we don't really care about boss rush except as a punching bag atm)

[eternal escarp]

fighting 4 clankers is what gives you true inner rage

[hearty yew]

oh yeah, this is also true.

[half imp]

you had to fight fabsol exos your rage is infinite

[north oracle]

The SCal theme unlocks your Shattered Community
the Exos theme unleashes it's full power

[eternal escarp]

also based scope enjoyer???

[half imp]

I'm not sure if this scope suggestion passes the rules or not but

[eternal escarp]

iunno either

doesnt seem too specific

[hearty yew]

this is correct but I think a few currently shadowspec items might stay post exos or scal instead of being pushed past yharim

there will be a post yharim material used to craft the vast majority of dev items though, for sure

[half imp]

yeah I think it's fine although it's not a convincing case

[north oracle]

elemental quiver already fufills the "ranger stat stick" niche
a final scope upgrade that isn't just stats could work though

[half imp]

make it give 20% crit dmg

[glass arch]

feels like lack of reasoning more than anything

[glass arch]

FEAR

[eternal escarp]

shrimply give me scope for all weapons

[errant wren]

make it scope out infinitely

[half imp]

(for context sniper scope currently gives 20% crit dmg in dev)

(recon sidegrade)

[glass arch]

crit damage scares me

[half imp]

(but it is way overtuned)

eye of the golem is potentially the best DPS accesory available in current dev build

bc it also has 20% crit dmg

I need to nerf those two

[glass arch]

thats what a total 1.4x multiplier isnt it

[half imp]

I don't think they stack with each other but idr

It's basically up to 1.2x dmg if you have 100% crit

[glass arch]

yeah as i said

crit damage scares me

[hearty yew]

It was my idea

you can blame me

[frail mantle]

soma prime with bonus crit damage

[hearty yew]

oh I should probably ping the guy who made the suggestion

[hearty yew]

@kindred creek

I am fine with changing shattered community's leveling system, including drastically

It has always been in an awkward state of being trapped between being a legit post scal accessory and being a shadowspec dev meme item

[glass arch]

see i would be scared if soma crime had the ability to get high enough crit for consistent supercrits but iirc it just cant

[hearty yew]

I see no reason Shattered Community can't just be both at the same time

[hearty yew]

new daawnlight + the soma prime rework I did + eye of the golem + soma prime defaults to 300% damage crits instead of 200% + the shred debuff also has the 300% crit ratio by default and can supercrit

[glass arch]

ah

[hearty yew]

btw

That 300% instead of 200% thing is actually a nerf

Because the weapon is balanced around it

Adding crit damage is less effective because you've already got +100% built in

That's intentional

Because it is the crit god weapon of the entire game I needed to make sure the synergies weren't too strong

I would need to check the behavior of crit damage when stacked with supercrit layers

I think supercrit layers are flat +100% each so they're also intentionally weaker on soma

I wrote all this code and I don't freaking remember what it does

[gilded citrus]

🔥

[uncut fog]

So real, remembering what your code does is stupid anyway plus when you dont do comments absolute 🔥

[hearty yew]

I definitely do comments. If I went back and looked at supercrit application it would be obvious what the logic and underlying damage math was

I just don't have it all memorized in my head

[uncut fog]

Ah, what a terrible lead dev, writing clean and understandable code smh

[distant gyro]

this was a thing on release

survived one whole patch

[drowsy plank]

that's hilarious honestly

im glad that the general agreement is that it's weird that it's somewhere between real accessory and meme item bc if it was just shadowspec i wouldnt really care, but the fact it can be used on exos makes that weird

glad to see it being used on boss rush was an intended case tho, bc that makes sense and is usually what i do with it lol

@silver mulch this has no reasoning beyond "there isn't a later upgrade" which really isn't strong enough

recon doesnt have an upgrade because it's already endgame viable, so i feel like you'd really need to explain what exactly the point of this is for it to pass

there's dozens of items with no upgrades and not all of them get to be recon scope which just decides it is endgame viable because big numbers

[silver mulch]

ok

Funnily enough, even the recon scope is kinda unnecessary, because the only advantage over a sniper scope is enemies not targeting you, which is only useful in multiplayer.

[indigo yacht]

not in calamity

in calamity the sniper scope is nerfed into being almost completely worthless

[obsidian nova]

Hey guys, I just got this idea but
When Yharim update (eventually) releases, I think it would be really cool if you guys would add a credits sequence (similar to the one in Journey's End after beating the ML)

[half imp]

way too far off to really even be on our minds

Also a lot of work to make

[coral carbon]

Yeah, the Shattered Community is basically a boss rush-exclusive accessory for me

[hearty yew]

It was always intended to work well with boss rush

[upbeat tundra]

Guys, I’m starting to think that Calamity Ranger needs more accessories.

[errant wren]

nah i don't think so

[tardy geyser]

Just space out the scopes more imo, example:
Buff eye of the golem to 15% crit
Add meld constructs to destoyer emblem recipe
Buff sniper scope to 9% damage and crit, and add necroplasm to its recipe
Add ruinous soul to recon scopes recipe

[humble scarab]

he will get in this update, dw

mage too

[half imp]

EotG has plans, and sniper / recon are going to be sidegrades

[oblique birch]

EotG is becoming sidegrade of the Destroyer Emblem too no?

[half imp]

yeah kinda

[oblique birch]

so far I've seen sidegrades like that being balance nightmares 🤔

with Phoenix Blaster just straight up worse than Handgun and in Excalibur's case, guh

[misty lichen]

gendered classes

[frail fox]

Woke Calamity mod

[cold cosmos]

Whoa wait what

I was unaware of this

[oblique birch]

ye Phoenix Blaster/Handgun and Excalibur/True Excalibur are sidegrades in Calamity

[cold cosmos]

What

Why

[oblique birch]

because they're insta upgrades in vanilla

you obtain Handgun and Excalibur and the same point that you can upgrade them

[cold cosmos]

Wait how is Excalibur a sidegrade with TE?

It seems pretty worse to me

[oblique birch]

that's what I said

balance nightmares

other options are simply just superior to the others

[cold cosmos]

TE’s still definitely an upgrade

Honestly Excalibur’s just too slow to be very usable imo

[oblique birch]

the intention was making them being sidegrades with Handgun/Excalibur have lower attack speed, higher damage and Phoenix Blaster/True Excalibur have higher attack speed, lower damage

[cold cosmos]

Ah

[oblique birch]

but then the balances come in and mess up things, now Handgun is just simply better and Excalibur being useless

[cold cosmos]

Yeah

[half imp]

The difference here is that which is better is actually build specific here

Excalibur isn't a sidegrade

TEx is an imstagrade

Phoenix was also originally an instagrade and it becomes a sidegrade

EotG and Sniper Cope vs emblem / recon will be build specific

[oblique birch]

the hardmode reworks wasn't made with Excalibur being sidegrade to True Ex in mind?

[tepid crown]

they were before when true excalibur was ranged and excalibur wasnt

but now

theyre both true melee

[oblique birch]

anyways I think I'd like to see Handgun/Excalibur situation get better

being build specific like what's coming to those new ones

[half imp]

I just wanna make tex post clone ngl

but at the same time

true melee clone without tex...

[upbeat tundra]

I feel like I’ve been hearing that Ranger accessory update is soon for 8 months. I believe you though.

[glass arch]

yeah thats all been

the upcoming update

the only update in the past 8 months was the anti fabsol update

[upbeat tundra]

Yikes

[keen zodiac]

past 15 months actually

[upbeat tundra]

Terraria’s biggest mod
Been around for years
Looks inside
Would qualify for Steam’s “abandoned” early access tag

And yeah I’m aware it’s free. I’m mostly joking.

[indigo yacht]

they've been working on it the whole time you know

it's just very large

[half imp]

well

It wouldn't qualify for abandoned early access

bc it's not early access or beta

[keen zodiac]

or abandoned

[cold cosmos]

I think I’d file a complaint

As a huge Tmelee enjoyer

[half imp]

go get your hallowed jousting lances out

and Moab

[crude geode]

I think I’d send a thank you card

As a huge Tmelee hater

[indigo yacht]

this suggestion has no reasoning

[crude geode]

Wdym it has “why not” /s

[drowsy plank]

@silver mulch no reasoning

use a mount

[half imp]

This seems more like a specific item suggestion issue

[silver mulch]

oh, are those banned?

[drowsy plank]

in the pins

[half imp]

there's a pinned document on suggestion rules

I'd recommend checking it out

[drowsy plank]

i thought i told you where the rules where after i flagged your previous suggestion

you really ought to read them before you even try to submit something else

[indigo yacht]

I don't think it's quite an SIS just bc it only says 'like the soaring insignia' and only specifically mentions one attribute, which a lot of other suggestions also do

[drowsy plank]

it's mostly the shadowspec tier thing that is dooming it

which is funny because shadowspec suggestions are also banned anyway

lmfao

[indigo yacht]

that's true

[half imp]

hmm fair

[silver mulch]

Why aren't we allowed to suggest items?

[half imp]

we'd just get flooded with specific item suggestions if we allowed them

[indigo yacht]

can you add my pet cat to the game

[half imp]

suggestions is intended to allow players to bring issues and potential solutions to the devs attention

Issue doesn't have to be something major, but it does need a reason to add it besides "i think it'd be cool"

[crude geode]

The devs stopped taking Patreon items even when they were being paid to do so, adding items from randoms is even worse

[half imp]

The only way to get an item added at this point is to directly convince a dev it would be worth creating and implementing & get them to get the team on board with it

Basically it rarely happens

[plush flame]

for this most recent suggestion: exo box

[silver mulch]

right

[crude geode]

It’s probably easier to just become a dev over a period of time at that point

Even though that’s still very difficult and unlikely

[half imp]

I think Superradiant Slaughterer this might have happened with?

but the guy who had the idea and sprited it is also a dev now either way

I just don't remember if he was or wasn't before superradiant slaughterer was a thing

[silver mulch]

I do think it would be quite funny if they added a channel for item suggestions, purely so we coudl all laugh at how bad some people are at game design.

I don't know, I'm just annoyed my favorite item got nerfed and still haven't fully gotten over it.

[kindred creek]

How difficult is it for one to become a dev?

[crude geode]

Very

[kindred creek]

How would one become a dev exactly. Asking for a friend.

[indigo yacht]

this is still that channel

[indigo yacht]

it's getting partially unnerfed, most everyone agrees gutting it was too much

[plush flame]

#suggestions-posting message portal gun

[indigo yacht]

i dont like you but good point

[crude geode]

They’re more specifically asking for early prehm which like. I think movement is limited for a reason there

[indigo yacht]

it isn't limited at all lol

you have sandstorm in a bottle and frog leg that's a ton all on its own

you really only start unlocking new movement accessories with wings and dashes unless I'm forgetting something substantial

[plush flame]

bundle is post evil2

[frail fox]

At least one more of these is happening next update

[half imp]

Depends on how good you are at deving

[indigo yacht]

i did not say bundle i said sandstorm

[plush flame]

sandstorm is pretty limited compared to vanilla preboss mobility

[frail fox]

Also didn’t mention NR!!

Definitely a real aspect of it

[indigo yacht]

sure, but claiming preboss mobility is bad is untrue

[indigo yacht]

that one i do know is getting removed

[half imp]

Personally I just

[indigo yacht]

although i mostly didnt mention it bc it's not really... practical at all

[plush flame]

i think sandstorm should be post evil2, not to be confused with aerospec tier

[hollow shell]

I personally would not exclude mounts, I feel like Slime is the primary source of fast fall for a lotta people

But, doesn't invalidate the sugg or anything

[half imp]

Got DMed by YuH "hi calamity wants to hire you"

[indigo yacht]

I'm... focusing on specifically unmounted fastfalling for the reasons i outlined in the second paragraph, that's why I'm excluding mounts

[half imp]

@indigo yacht hi this has actually been done in dev already

[indigo yacht]

to what extent

[half imp]

two more accessories

I think

[indigo yacht]

do you know where

[half imp]

there might be 3

[crude geode]

Suggestion battleship strikes again

[half imp]

yes I do

One is gravity globe

[hollow shell]

(btw I saw this, buthave been putting off responding to it because effort
Writing the new entry and doing the re-pin cycle
And inquiring about the continued usage of bluechecks

If someone is willing to write up a 🔄 entry for me that would make it a more digestible task)

(And also... let me know what's up with bluechecks, if they're still being used or not)

[half imp]

one is before Sabaton

[indigo yacht]

oh right gravity glove

[plush flame]

i like portal gun

[hollow shell]

I understand, I simply disagree that mounts are a different enough area that they warrant that exclusion/separation.
IMO. Me personally.

[crude geode]

Same

[half imp]

I do think mounts don't "not count"

[hollow shell]

But hey if there are actually 3 more fast fall accs being added then
yeah meower is getting their wish

[half imp]

It is fine to be an "add more non mount fast fall items", but the way it's worded now with the "mounts do not count" is a little eh

anyway

I think fastfall is in a fine spot with availability now

Also this forgot one method of fastfall

[crude geode]

Base one right

[half imp]

Exoblade dash

[crude geode]

[half imp]

base one doesn't increase max fall speed

But after hitting exoblade dash you have like near uncapped fallspeed briefly iirc

[indigo yacht]

exoblade has a dash?

[plush flame]

the m2

[half imp]

right click

[indigo yacht]

hm

[hollow shell]

I... did not know about that lol

Is that even on the wiki

[half imp]

lemme actually go check if that still exists

[drowsy plank]

superradiant led to them being brought on yes

[half imp]

Yes it exists still

[indigo yacht]

ok I'll just get rid of the suggestion then

[half imp]

I hit 300 mph falling by holding down after exoblading

[indigo yacht]

also not really relevant but i think you all were kinda missing the point of me saying that "mounts don't count" i was just outlining the fact that i was advocating for the specific style of unmounted fastfall because i don't think you can do anything interesting with mounted fastfall

[half imp]

Yeah I know that's the point it's just

anyway mounted fastfall is getting cooler in 2.1

Return of the pogo stick

[hollow shell]

oh oh does Roxcalibur count as fast-fall?

[indigo yacht]

can it be purple

[half imp]

It does not change max fall speed

So no

[drowsy plank]

purple dye

[hollow shell]

aw

Essentially just big acceleration boost then

Insta terminal velocity

Still valuable

[half imp]

Wait

Nvm I'm dumb

I was holding the mouse above me

Lol

[hollow shell]

lol.

[half imp]

So it definitely speeds up but in some unique way

Bc my stopwatch says 0mph

[hollow shell]

Wack.

[novel belfry]

wait

[hollow shell]

I seem to recall Slime Mount having a similar issue in the past
Not 0mph but being the same as your regular fall speed even when you went way faster

could be misremembering

[half imp]

Yes

Slime mount doubles vertical velocity effectiveness

[indigo yacht]

omg wait i forgot you can dye mounts

[half imp]

but doesn't change the stopwatch

[hollow shell]

wack!!

[half imp]

Or didn't pre-1.4.4

Idk about now

Anyway

[novel belfry]

can you make the giant pyukumuku mount actually better than the slime mounts please

[indigo yacht]

it should

[crude geode]

More mount love….

[half imp]

Pogo in 2.1 is nerfed from 2x to 1.5x fall speed

BUT

[novel belfry]

it still is stat-wise literally worse than them for some reason

[half imp]

the horizontal speed is back

It has a soft cap of ~50 mph horizontal

and keeps whatever speed you mount it while going assuming it's below that

[crude geode]

Gorgeous

[hollow shell]

ah so it like
Gets to have the niche of fast-fall with good horizontal, in contrast to Slime which is basically straight down only

[half imp]

ye

[hollow shell]

neat

[half imp]

I miss old pogo

pre nerf infinite horizontal

but this will be similar enough without being stupid broken

[crude geode]

Infinite speed is always the funniest thing whenever it pops up

[hollow shell]

Glorious End, and that one Biome Blade attunement...

btw Doze while you're here can you real quick tell me how often ☑️ bluechecks are used

nowadays

[half imp]

uhh

what are they even for idk

[keen zodiac]

duplicate suggestion

[half imp]

Oh

I haven't seen it in my time as dev

[hollow shell]

I don't even know how useful they are in the modern suggestion landscape

[crude geode]

I feel like I haven’t seen it in ages

[keen zodiac]

i only saw a couple in the earlier years of my stay

[hollow shell]

There was like exactly one recent usage of it

[crude geode]

I feel like the frequently suggested list is more actively used

Tho that’s a different beast entirely

[hollow shell]

Found it
#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-discussion message

The most recent one before that was January 2023
#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-discussion message
(and it was quite regularly used during 2022)

Like as soon as the end of 2022 hit it suddenly stopped being used by the devs as much- ohhhhhhhhh

[novel belfry]

Hey Doze, has this suggestion been implemented in dev yet? #suggestions-voting message The devs approved of the suggestion, but I haven't seen as anything.

[crude geode]

[novel belfry]

(and yes this is about the thing i was talking minutes ago)

[hollow shell]

This explains everything

[half imp]

No idea

[novel belfry]

for me, this entire incident is symbolized by me accidentally posting "I"

when i was trying to write something

[hollow shell]

Hey c'mon Overdone you've been here for a long time

[novel belfry]

Well, there's a dev talking about improving mounts.

I oughta remind em.

[hollow shell]

yeah I spose its topic relevant

[half imp]

I have wanted to balance mounts for a while

but

[crude geode]

Yeah if it’s been two years with a 👍 it’s probably not been implemented and more likely has just been forgotten about

[royal tapir]

Maybe

[crude geode]

PLEASE

[half imp]

for now pogo gets to be happy again

I am biased

[crude geode]

There’s like three pre-hm mounts that are useful and then it just stops

[half imp]

well

[crude geode]

Until exo box

[novel belfry]

i dont blame them, there's way more important things that needed to be fixed (that weren't being blocked by the fabbrat)

[half imp]

You forgot

Witch's Broom

And Shrimpy Truffle

[crude geode]

True I forget that thing exists

[half imp]

And hexxed branch

but otherwise yea

[crude geode]

Is hexxed branch even like. Viable/good

[half imp]

It's the fastest mount in the game

[crude geode]

I know it moves fast and I used it to get around but like

I feel like in combat it would. suffer.

[indigo yacht]

i see quite a few strategies that revolve around it

[half imp]

it doesn't suffer if

You outrun the boss

[crude geode]

[indigo yacht]

they're all rungod cheese

[crude geode]

Byeah, it’s such a tiny percentage of mounts that it’s wack

[half imp]

Mounts are so difficult to balance

[crude geode]

I can get that

Basically an extra accessory slot or two if they can replace wings

[half imp]

exo box...

[crude geode]

Exo box…

[half imp]

I'm baffled exo box was ever allowed to exist

[errant wren]

make exo box into wings, obviously

[keen zodiac]

true

[half imp]

Potentially the single most valuable item in cal

[novel belfry]

obviously just make it a box that literally opens up after you kill the current last boss of calamity

right now, if you kill exos first, that would be SCaL

so

right now just let it open up post-scal

[errant wren]

temporary exo box movement then normal flight for like a second

[half imp]

ascendant insignia 2

[crude geode]

Literally

[half imp]

Transform you into undertale heart temporarily

[north oracle]

true

[errant wren]

true

[crude geode]

You get a damage bonus from grazing

[half imp]

After 2 seconds you become blue undertale heart

Good luck

[indigo yacht]

halve your dps while mounted

🙏

[north oracle]

Delta Rune (post cryogen accessory)

[half imp]

Wait actually

[indigo yacht]

make me a calamity dev

[half imp]

Every 2 seconds it switches heart color

[errant wren]

purple...

[crude geode]

Could you imagine green heart in SCal

[half imp]

yes

[novel belfry]

avoids the whole "exo box breaks scal fight harder than cerulean hidden tear comet azur combo on mohg"

[errant wren]

amazing

wait what about yellow

that's just a gun

[half imp]

Doesn't yellow only shoot up

[errant wren]

in undertale yeah

[drowsy plank]

well deltarune it shoots right

[errant wren]

but als- yeah

[half imp]

Only right sounds funnier

You cannot attack left

[crude geode]

Only up sounds familiar

[errant wren]

(enemy in question is on the right)

[crude geode]

Like there’d be a ranged weapon that did that

[errant wren]

hmmm

[lucid marsh]

It shoots towards the enemy. The enemy and their bullets come from up in undertale and from the right in deltarune

Anyways. Undertale soul modes in calamity would be cool

[half imp]

nope sorry only right because it's funnier

[errant wren]

rework draedon's heart to undertale soul colors

[half imp]

Draedon's Soul

[errant wren]

place current functionality into exo box

[half imp]

Ares becomes Omega Flowey

[keen zodiac]

duke fishron becomes undyne

[half imp]

no

That'd be polyphemalus

[keen zodiac]

ah right

[errant wren]

exo twins are the fricking mouth attack thing with the flies

[half imp]

See

This is one of the videos of all time

[crude geode]

[drowsy plank]

is that fucking exo polyphemus

[half imp]

Hyperion, yes

fun fact, it's not visible on any enemy spawner cheat mod

because it's actually a sleeper agent inside an auric slime enemy

[silver mulch]

Probably fair to say my ideas aren't very good...

[crude geode]

Good

[errant wren]

why did we start talking about undertale...?

nevermind i remember

[crude geode]

Dementia hitting grandma hard

[glass arch]

generally its just marked as implemented if it hits voting or the person is pinged upon initial posting that hey this is already in

actually thats not even the right context for it

yeah nobody gives a shit if its already been sent to dev in the past anymore

that or people already know whats been to dev and what the verdict has been in the past

this is just boss checklist despawn messages which already exist for every boss

[drowsy plank]

okay but boss checklist sucks

[keen zodiac]

truth and real

[glass arch]

also dog doesnt even have a kill quote what

[drowsy plank]

"Did that hurt?", etc.

[mint oriole]

yea like i don't mean a message in chat that says "everyone's dead! bye bye boss!" i mean the little text that pops over your death position after you die to him.

I think it would be fun to learn a boss' motive for fighting you rather than "the wiki says i gotta kill this guy for progression"

[glass arch]

thats only for when you get hit by the head specifically

[errant wren]

there's a grand total of 2 other bosses that i think would even warrant that

and they don't really make much sense imo

[drowsy plank]

yeah most of the bosses arent like

sentient? or sapient?

does cultist laugh at you when you die i forget

[errant wren]

most of them can't talk

[mint oriole]

I know, but for the few that are man I wanna know what's going on in their heads dude ;0;

[errant wren]

this i wouldn't know

[glass arch]

nah i think he just laughs in general

[errant wren]

draedon and scal fight dialouge (this is why it barely makes sense to me btw)

[mint oriole]

like is permafrost sentient in the cryogen? What are the prisoners screaming about when you fight phantom? can Yharon talk?

[errant wren]

for the second one i think that's just general screams of agony

[drowsy plank]

cultist is killing you because you're trying to interrupt their ritual, moon lord is trying to kill you bc it's omnicidal, the guardians are trying to kill you because you killed moon lord and are getting too strong, providence for killing guardians, dog for killing provi, yharon for killing dog, cal and draedon for killing yharon (for slightly different reasons as described in their existing dialogue)

[glass arch]

polter is barely sentient overall much less sapient enough to tell you go to fuck yourself

[drowsy plank]

polter is omnicidal bc it is mindless, or i suppose, moreso because it thinks too much and is basically a screaming ball of human agony that wants to either kill or die

these are not very complex motivations tbqh

[errant wren]

the closest thing i can make up is that the collective soul of polterghast just sees yharim in the player, but that's me literally making shit up so it doesn't count

[glass arch]

if you stick 700 people in a box and want them to agree on something to say its just gonna be gibberish

[mint oriole]

yeas but when is any of this shit ever told to you outside of like yahrim psychically traume dumping on you or the vauge "progression lcok lifted" statements after killing a boss?

[half imp]

polterghast should have 700 lines

And say them all overlapping

[mint oriole]

real and true

[half imp]

So you can't make out any of them

[mint oriole]

it would murder my computer but i want this

[errant wren]

hang on i can sprite the message real quick

behold

[drowsy plank]

it isnt but your suggestion of boss dialogue when you die just doesnt really work

there will be a better way to read lore Eventually™ but this shit is hard to communicate even if it was a focus

like what's stopping you from just walking away if a boss tries to start talking dog death message style and you just dont fuckin see it

[mint oriole]

idk it just sorta feels to me sometimes you only really find out why you're killing a boss when it's already dead instead of before hand. before that it's cus you need it so an ore spanws or an area unlocks cus the wiki says. Maybe not through a quote after the boss kills you, but some other method akin to like the lab logs or dreadon's computer

[errant wren]

obviously we just add a death screen like most rpgs

[mint oriole]

terraria's cam stays in the place you died for a few secs after you eat it to something.

[tardy geyser]

calamitas: that was calamitous

[errant wren]

to be fair the "reason" that the player is killing these bosses for the love of the game

[glass arch]

someone post the terrarian is you

[tardy geyser]

baba is you?

[mint oriole]

where is your whimsy damn it I know mechanically why obviously, what's the narrative why?

[errant wren]

"man i can't believe kris would make noelle do that"

[mint oriole]

Proceed

[errant wren]

the narrative is that the player woke up and chose violence

[drowsy plank]

i think is mostly bc the spawn methods for cal bosses suck ass (hold up item from inventory)

[errant wren]

i would argue most of the bosses only act out of self-defense

naturally spawning ones not entirely

[glass arch]

close enough to the image i wanted

[mint oriole]

that's so fucking boring tho. even Goku's yearning for stronger and stronger opponents has more depth than that. at least they're able to take that in a kind of interesting direction when ||Goku gambles the future of his universe for a chance to fight a stronger guy|| ;0;

[mint oriole]

this is silly may i steal this >u>

[glass arch]

its not even mine

its been a loredisc chain of stealing it from other people

[keen zodiac]

yeah it's been around for a while