suggestions-discussion

[mystic sandal]

Pyre mantle wall cels seething at eutrophic glass wall chads

[indigo yacht]

can we just remove eutrophic glass from the game

[keen zodiac]

true

[obsidian nova]

Wait fr?

[drowsy plank]

@stray shale no joke suggestions

[stray shale]

Ok

But iridescent Excalibur is goated you should keep it

And unrework blighted cleaver and defiled greatsword

[keen zodiac]

👎 👎 👎

[stray shale]

😡

[drowsy plank]

If the words "unrework" even leave your mouth you will never be taken seriously.

i cant think of a single time where the old versions of calamity items were in any way better than their reworked versions

[half imp]

Phosphorescent Gauntlet being classless is such a dozepilled take

[keen zodiac]

yeah and if you ever think a decision should be reverted you better have a DAMN good reason behind it

[stray shale]

Well I got one really really liked the old ones

[drowsy plank]

why

[stray shale]

For one

I mean

[stray shale]

The projectiles looked and sounded cooler

They made nice noises when they hit things

[drowsy plank]

werent they just like

[stray shale]

Goated bananas

[keen zodiac]

flat pillow shaded crescents

[drowsy plank]

yeah that's lame as hell

[stray shale]

More like goated as hell

Now they're just true nights edge things

[drowsy plank]

that's just the Sword Projectile™ Horseman's Blade uses it too

[misty lichen]

growing emotional attatchment to a yellow demon scythe

[stray shale]

Exactly

[drowsy plank]

yeah it looks way better

[stray shale]

Have you got a problem

[stray shale]

Uhhhh no

[misty lichen]

hey man

[stray shale]

That's not what I was implying

It's boring

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[keen zodiac]

if you think the new one looks worse you genuinely have brain damage

[drowsy plank]

ok we dont need to be mean

[stray shale]

Shut up

[drowsy plank]

this is clearly just trolling

like i said earlier we dont want joke suggestions

[stray shale]

Well I did like the old ones better 😢

Promise

[drowsy plank]

i dont believe you
anyway yall talk about smnthn else now

[stray shale]

I pinky promise

Uhhh jello?

[drowsy plank]

classes phos gauntlet would be very funny but im also curious what you mean by dozepilled in this scenario specifically

[half imp]

claret cannon classless

Stratus Sphere classless

[misty lichen]

or just make the weapon good

[drowsy plank]

okay wait i remember the claret thing but how the hell does stratus sphere work

[misty lichen]

its not even that much of a tier thing really

[stray shale]

Or we make another melee exo weapon

Melee doesn't get enough

[misty lichen]

they are already doing that

[stray shale]

Yess

Wait

[keen zodiac]

shpear

[stray shale]

Is this the one to replace excalibur

😢😢

[drowsy plank]

implying it needs a replacement with such little identity

[keen zodiac]

this sentence is completely and disgustingly incorrect in literally any other context

that's funny

[stray shale]

Back off my number 2 goat

[drowsy plank]

who will fill in the desperate niche for generic projectile broadsword except the 80 other projectile broadswords

[stray shale]

Are you trying to say we don't need more swords

[keen zodiac]

yes

[stray shale]

Yeah but it's rainbow and directionary

[drowsy plank]

if you're just going to keep trolling im just going to give you a warn and eventually time you out

[keen zodiac]

in fact there are many many swords i actively want to remove

[stray shale]

Well you're no fun

[drowsy plank]

go back to #calamity-mod-talk or something

[stray shale]

May as well just say you hate me

😢☹️

[drowsy plank]

well you have the Warned role now so ig if anyone sees him keeping this up lmk and ill just time him out tomorrow; im going to bed

[keen zodiac]

why did you gotta tell him to go away now he's in cst

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[stray shale]

I can still see you

No need to talk behind my back

[frail fox]

I think I know who

[patent marsh]

chat

i think we should bring back yharim stims

[keen zodiac]

true that was peak

[patent marsh]

but only in

Uhh

For the worthy seed

[glass arch]

we dont need combo potions anymore

[patent marsh]

Or just give them different effect, like slower adrenaline drain

culd be healing item instead

[thorn dock]

Help^^

[severe sparrow]

I totally agree
Reworks happen for a reason, and they always either make the item better, or update it to the game's current standards, thats literally the definition of a rework

[indigo yacht]

@versed badge read the suggestion document in channel description/pins

[indigo yacht]

"let's buff summoner!"

[thorn dock]

Didnt say that

Sole purpose is to give it a good use, as it could be a great mobility tool

Summoner rework also isnt known yet but it is coming

[uncut fog]

Summoner is in a pretty great place rn iirc

[thorn dock]

Well you would make to offer another mainhand use for that

You would have to sacrifice damage from a whip or another MH in order to use it

Its just the best use for the weapon I can see rn

Didnt Post this with the Intention to buff summoner

Are there killtimes for the gauntlet in its tier?

[indigo yacht]

the tier list says F

[thorn dock]

So it has no use currently

[fleet grotto]

It has a use, it just manages to suck ass when it comes to dealing damags

[severe sparrow]

its more of a mobility tool than anything else

[half imp]

gauntlet has uses they're just niche

[thorn dock]

Its great on fearmonger, cant think of anything else

Think I have found a Bug.
Looks like toxic heart isnt working properly with omega blue armor.

It should scale with 0 life reg/s but it looks like it scales with the frozen HP reg value.

Stopped time on omega blue and also stopped time without it while standing still.

Bith times I got 25 pulses in 30 seconds

Can some1 double check?

(Not sure if the armors Animation causes some slight slowing of the game which I m not noticing)

[half imp]

That sounds like what would probably happen

[thorn dock]

Wdym?

Double check is really appreciated

[half imp]

omega blue negation is one of the last things that happens regarding regen

so it makes sense that it would be after toxic heart

however that should probably be changed

[thorn dock]

Thank you!
Can some1 suggest the change? I m at my Limit of 1 sug/daily

[half imp]

I think that would fall under #1178515062030348308

[stable kiln]

i like this suggestion

[thorn dock]

The omega one? Ty^_

[stable kiln]

the phospo gauntlet one

i agree with doze that the omeag one is more a balance thing

[thorn dock]

Oh that one, yeah I like it too (:

[mystic sandal]

gauntlet change seems fun

im a fan of it

[half imp]

it feels more like a classless item anyway

[keen zodiac]

like relic of deliverance

[indigo yacht]

tbf like

the damage is so bad that making it classes doesn't matter except for summoner sorta

unless you were to like buff the damage to high hell and make it scale with your highest class damage and then either put a cooldown on dashing or on dealing damage, in which case it would work

[thorn dock]

I m against the cooldown 😅

If ypu Spam it while hovering Celestial starboard you can fly over a huge distance

It not having a CD makes it unique

It alredy is quite useful on summoner + fearmonger armor, also for not having said CD

It quite fun to use with the hover ability

[half imp]

yeah it's mostly just for flavor

so people know it's a tool meant for any class

[thorn dock]

Literally my fav use for it is beeing a hover supporting tool

[crude geode]

This is what classless is to me

[thorn dock]

Also some bug including it, it didnt spawn hide of astrum Stars when hitting an enemy, even tho it has true melee property

[echo leaf]

a lotta weapons don't trigger HoAD for some reason

i think that's a known bug

[indigo yacht]

fair enough

[obsidian nova]

@near merlin good news, molten pyre wall is in the changelogs #calamity-update-talk message

[crude geode]

@north oracle can we get an exclaim on the pyre wall suggestion considering it’s already 🏁

[thorn dock]

Making a subclass takes some effort

A subclass needs support from either armor or accessory to be viable

Like yoyos have yoyo-bag

[mossy warren]

Yes, but I'm saying that the rocket launcher should at least be playable from the very beginning of the game. You don't have to add special accessories, because for example the spearman or flamethrower doesn't have them.

[thorn dock]

Ok, so just basically you want more of them to be added.
I associate a subclass with a class thats viable to use, due to existing support in the form of armor/ accs that specifically support the subclasses weapon type

[mossy warren]

Basically yes, I want the same thing that was done with flamethrowers. But I certainly am not against additional accessories and armor. (including other subclasses too)

[crude geode]

The more you add for a subclass the less unique it gets

In the case of rocket launchers, I think it’s in a fine place right now, and Ranger is hardly a class that needs more total weapons in it’s arsenal.

[uncut fog]

I think the realistic abyss pressure suggestion is peak, after all it encourages players the drain the abyss which is a normal and fun activity!

[mystic sandal]

I’m up for this, seems fun

[drowsy plank]

@knotty stratus the reason draining the water hurts you is so you cant do what you did and just avoid interacting with the game mechanics completely

[uncut fog]

theyre talking about the pressure mechanic where the bar fills up and you take damage, at least I think they are

[humble scarab]

they are talking about the pressure existing even when there is no water

[uncut fog]

Oh

Wait no, thats the one where the bar fills up no?

[tepid crown]

there is no pressure mechanic regarding a bar, youre thinking of sulphuric poisoning meter that exists in the sulphurous sea and layer 1 of the abyss

and they are talking about the no air mechanic, read their 2nd paragraph

[uncut fog]

Ah

[indigo yacht]

my favorite part is where the water regenerates and then your game slows to a crawl from all the water updates!

[uncut fog]

I thought pressure wasnt where you werent in the water i thought was called something wlse

I cant read wth

[indigo yacht]

its kinda funny how they're talking about water above you when to even trigger the suffocation you have to be above water

[uncut fog]

Or write apparently

[drowsy plank]

please allow me to drain the abyss and completely ignore the water mechanics of this game i swear it's good idea 🥺

[uncut fog]

I mean Im pretty sure its a joke suggestion

Afaik it would create a whole lot of updates which would not be reasonable for something that only someone who is draining the abyss would notice

[indigo yacht]

why would it need a lot of updates just check how many tiles are above the player's head

[thorn dock]

Okay so it might be possible that the new regenator grants damage bonus to omega blue armor even tho it has denied life regen right?

[half imp]

I know for sure regenerator is directly after omega blue

it is the very next thing that happens after OB life regen nullification

[thorn dock]

Alright ^_^

[glass arch]

the updates come from the abyss walls generating water, not from checking the number of tiles

[uncut fog]

I just cant read apparently, I need to sleep gn lol

[hollow shell]

In a rare move, I am going to be the one to say

I think this might violate the effort/scope Don't
#suggestions-posting message

It would sound more workable if the title was like "Add two or three rocket launchers in PreHM (and PreHM rockets)"

[indigo yacht]

i think that's what they're asking for, just with bad wording

very bad wording

[hollow shell]

Yeah, it's the wording that makes it sound overly intimidating/grand

[errant wren]

rockets need a different projectile for each type or something right?

[hollow shell]

What

[indigo yacht]

i think thats only snowman cannon

[errant wren]

nevermind then

figured i remembered wrong

[hollow shell]

Mayb

[errant wren]

pre-hm "rocket launcher" should just be something that throws grenades further lol

[hollow shell]

Anyway yeah @mossy warren Try to rephrase your launcher suggestion to reduce its scope

The devs would not be willing to implement a suggestion that would like, take them an entire dedicated update to accomplish
Try to make it sound as digestible as possible

(also I assume Nycro knows the sugg bot is stalled out?)

(Aight yeah I saw he acknowledged it)

[errant wren]

(pretty sure)

[drowsy plank]

no you are correct

[errant wren]

:o

[drowsy plank]

base rocket launcher

if it doesnt have a unique projectile for the rocket type it just doesnt get the functionality of that rocket type

it's very annoying

[errant wren]

i see

[drowsy plank]

hence why this exists

[half imp]

if I was to do a prehardmode rocket launcher it would not use rockets

Look at the base damage on rockets

[drowsy plank]

well yeah you'd obviously need to add new ammo types

[half imp]

Rocket 1 is 40 base damage

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[indigo yacht]

rocket 0

[half imp]

like if I was to do it I'd just make something consume Grenades, Bombs, Dynamite, Scarab Bomb, and Skynamite

as ammo

[drowsy plank]

a grenade launcher that actually shoots grenades would be fun

[errant wren]

i basically said that

[crude geode]

Skynamite launcher when

[gilded citrus]

Dynamite have like 250 base damage no?

[half imp]

It would not use their damage

helps that none of them have listed damage anyway besides grenades

iirc

wait maybe they do

[errant wren]

i don't think they do

[half imp]

Yeah they have damage

But it's not listed on the tooltip

Dirt Bomb ammo being knockoff sandgun

what if I made Dirt Rod able to do damage

[crude geode]

Make sand op again

[drowsy plank]

grenades have a far lower damage value so they seem most apt for this

[half imp]

I should add Sand Rod that vacuums all falling sand

[errant wren]

welcome back falling sand technique

[gilded citrus]

Isnt that kinda a reversion of a old af version of it

[half imp]

Grenades actually list the damage on the tooltip though

[crude geode]

🐌

[drowsy plank]

fair

[half imp]

If I don't use Bomb damage it won't be confusing

[errant wren]

explode

[drowsy plank]

i did not realize dirt rod did not do damage until now i thought it was just like ice rod

[half imp]

If I don't use Grenade damage it might be

[crude geode]

💥

[errant wren]

thanks

[crude geode]

You’re NOT welcome

[half imp]

Dirt Rod literally powercrept by wulfrum scaffolding kit

[drowsy plank]

sad!

sand rod sounds very funny

[ashen warren]

we do use a workaround for it, but it's still annoying af to implement

[drowsy plank]

makes sense

[ashen warren]

there's a reason i made SAC only have special properties with cluster rockets and made all of them go through walls

[patent marsh]

dirt rod existed?

[mossy warren]

Done

[hollow shell]

Thank you

(Reasoning could be better but hey the scope is much more reasonable now)

[gleaming herald]

they should add my suggestion tomorrow

[keen zodiac]

god damnit bot's down again

just noticed

[random talon]

oh, is my suggestion needing of ❗?

[keen zodiac]

nah it's good

the wording is a little harsh but there's nothing against the suggestion rules

[random talon]

true

[drowsy plank]

kinda pointless sugg but i guess it isn't invalid or anything

if there is a bad weapon in the game, it is the devs first and foremost who know it exists

sadly not every weapon can just be improved instantly

there's a lot more important weapons that still have super bland functionality that prolly need to get addressed first

[frail fox]

This is mostly just

Weapon set moment

Gotta rework and resprite everything in it to update it!

[random talon]

I see

yeah, my friend was really upset about the weapons, and some of that admittedly carried over

[forest glen]

I'm thinking of a suggestion to readd the Charm of Myths into the Deific Amulet. I already have the reasoning ready (no unique identity of the Deific Amulet besides being a slightly upgraded Star Veil, feels too weak on tier compared to accessories on the same tier although I might be underestimating the current Deific Amulet, I might do testing on this to see if it's still strong)

I might also add potential alternatives to readding the charm of myths to the Deific Amulet (like the Panic Necklace, speed buff when hit, or some other idea)

Should this be posted in #1178515062030348308 or #suggestions-posting ?

[keen zodiac]

suggestion posting

[forest glen]

Got it

[keen zodiac]

balance is for like "buff/nerf x weapon base damage"

[random talon]

I mean, we should be getting some of that with the armor update, right?

[drowsy plank]

I'm sorry but are you saying Rampart of Deities is weaker than Hide of Astrum Deus?? Look, I agree that Deific Amulet is honestly pretty weak, but Rampart is not weak. I'm not going to let this through with factual inaccuracies, and even if it was, that would be a concern for #1178515062030348308 not #suggestions-posting.

You should be focusing on the lack of identity for Deific and just that. And remove the part about Charm of Myths. The issue is just Deific being a nothing accessory, nothing more.

@forest glen

[forest glen]

Yeah, you're 100% right, lemme change it

[frail fox]

Not sure of an “armor update” but eventually yes

[forest glen]

Alright, just edited the suggestion, although it made it way shorter

[half imp]

Charm of Myths was specifically removed from Deific

It was once a part of it but was too strong

Deific has had other changes given to it however to make it more valuable already in the dev build

However this edited suggestion is fine

[forest glen]

Anything I can do to slightly lengthen the suggestion or is it good as it is now?

[half imp]

I think it's fine

I don't think it missed any important points

[drowsy plank]

yeah that works

[oblique birch]

@fleet grotto Rift Reeler will fire 4 in SSO

[fleet grotto]

dude

[oblique birch]

Calamity's rods are getting reworked in SSO

[fleet grotto]

how am i supposed to know these things man,,,

[oblique birch]

[fleet grotto]

i checked changelogs and suggestions voting that's good enough;;;;

[keen zodiac]

you must live in #calamity-update-talk or suffer

[fleet grotto]

yeah no

[crude geode]

Why would someone live in a non sugg chat

[gilded citrus]

Just check the spoiler document idk

[fleet grotto]

i already live in cmt unfortunately

[gilded citrus]

Ew

[indigo yacht]

purgatory

[fleet grotto]

YOU DNT HAVE TO RJB JT IN

[crude geode]

Spoiler document is unfortunately 5 miles long

[fleet grotto]

wonderful "find in document" button:

[crude geode]

That doesn’t exist wdym

[keen zodiac]

vanillin has been dead for weeks there's nothing about fishing rods in the doc

[fleet grotto]

woah you're not purple anymore

[keen zodiac]

you're the third person to comment on that

i really didn't think people would care

[fleet grotto]

i don't i just got used to purple xt

[keen zodiac]

understandable

[gilded citrus]

Oh thats what felt off of xzier

[crude geode]

I assumed it was discord fucking up #8028

[gilded citrus]

Pisscord moment

[half imp]

Wait

What was the suggestion

about rift reeler

[drowsy plank]

of bobbers

oh

number of bobbers

rn it's 3-5

but random

[half imp]

yes

[fleet grotto]

I wonder what the thought process behind that was

[half imp]

I stabilized it to 4 in 2.1

Along with gave it a fishing minigame

[oblique birch]

how many minigames

does each rod have different one

[half imp]

not all but a lot of them

Some of the "mini games" are just enhancements to normal fishing though

I'll spoil one:

Devourer of Cods automatically consumes any hooked fish that's only use is food/selling, freeing up the line and giving the player food buffs. It also causes all hooked items to never unhook, so you can just wait for all the poles to get hooked and reel all at once

[crude geode]

Hilarious

[half imp]

my favorite minigame might be Heron Rod

or else wulfrum pole

[oblique birch]

wait what do non-minigame rods have then

[crude geode]

Not having been updated, probably

[half imp]

the ability to cancel out minigames

[oblique birch]

vas?

❓

[half imp]

You can equip any rod as an accessory to apply it's minigame to all rods

if you do this with Slurper Pole, which doesn't have a minigame, it allows using any rod as a base fishing rod

Same applies to Verstaltite and Early Bloom

[oblique birch]

oh I see

but that wasn't what I really asked for

I mean like if they don't have minigames, what are the reworks gonna be

and don't say fish class

[crude geode]

Fish class!!!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/fish-fish-with-legs-fish-out-of-water-running-cry-about-it-gif-7656330698207565037

[oblique birch]

🤬

I mean like what could the reworks be oriented to to not be considered minigames

don't say hook enemies to deal damage

[crude geode]

Hook fish to swing them around to do damage

Like everyone’s favorite summoner weapon Cnidarian

[half imp]

who said they're getting any

[oblique birch]

oh u included the gonna be deleted ones too

aight then

[half imp]

yeah currently none of them are deleted

Verstaltite and Early Bloom might die but they're also just vibing there

[thorn dock]

10 i frames in seconds, 0,??

[drowsy plank]

what

[thorn dock]

The time span 10 i frames equal

[misty lichen]

what

[thorn dock]

Star veil extends the duration from 0.67 seconds to 1.33 seconds due to the i frames it gives?

It has to be measureable somehow right? Means there should be a time equivalent to an I frames number (?)

Would help understanding deific amulet compared to Star veil

[indigo yacht]

terraria runs in 60 fps

[thorn dock]

Standart immunity w/o veil is 40 i frames then?

Means Star veil always adds 40 since it doubles the span

Deific adds 50-80 depending on health

70 frames at half health add
1 second invincibility from the 60 frames & and 0.167 frames from the remaining 10? Since thats 1/6

Correct me if wrong

Base invincibility of 0.67 seconds + deific at 50% health, additional 1.167 seconds
= 1.837 seconds invincibility

That would be quite high if I was lucky doing the math correct

[half imp]

yeah it's a lot

[thorn dock]

Rampart max invincibility is 2.337s or 2.5s if the bonus from a big hit is accumulated

@forest glen its identity is that it is a peak powerhouse of i frames

But I get your point, it somehow lacks something unique. Even tho the bonuses are great, the item itself looks dry somehow

[idle dagger]

Huge agree on the the deific amulet

I have made a sugg before relating to it

Another problem I have with it is that the stars are not upgraded across the entire line, but I hear that’s being changed in SSO

[forest glen]

Oh yeah, that too!

[crude geode]

saying all of them should be reworked when that's star veil's identity and everything else is stealing is wack

"man so many miniguns are wack in calamity. even the minishark upgrades"

[frail fox]

At the very least the star veil upgrades and I think rotten brain too have their onhit effects greatly improved next update (not just raining projectiles that don’t hit)

[royal tapir]

This is a very nothing-burger suggestion

[crude geode]

“Improve things that are bad”

[novel belfry]

oh?

it got exclaimed?

hey

if i want to be unnecessarily positive, it is my first exclaimed sugg in a long while

still deleting because apparently said onhits are mostly getting improved anyways

[mystic sandal]

Honestly I like deific where it is now

I remember the days when it was a charm of myths upgrade and like

Jesus Christ what a broken accessory

Pretty sure it used to be pre mech too

[idle dagger]

It still needed astral iirc

I know deific is alledgedly good as it is right now but I just do not find it feels good to use, like a vibes thing

[fleet grotto]

Meteorite

[dire warren]

you only needed stardusts and meteorite bars to craft it

[idle dagger]

my g od

[fleet grotto]

Don't forget it was still an upgrade to like. Charm of Myths, Star Veil, and Shark Tooth Necklace or some shit.

[dire warren]

panic necklace as well

[idle dagger]

oh this is like OLD old deific

[dire warren]

was it a negligible addition? maybe

[idle dagger]

My first playthrough was the in between

[fleet grotto]

Holy fuck sugg bot is alive

[idle dagger]

I started playing when it was after 1.5

still charm but post deus

I think my problem with deific lies in that if I don't get hit again during those extra iframes then this accessory isn't doing anything else which makes it kinda feel bad to use
I don't think that makes it necessarily objectively bad at all but it definitely doesn't make it feel fun to use for how late you get it

[fleet grotto]

what?

am i misinterpreting this

"my problem with deific lies in that if the accessory prevents what it's made to do then it isnt doing anythjngelze which makes it feel bad to use"

[idle dagger]

I just would like it to a bit more

At least the stars are being improved, so that is good

[idle dagger]

I mean if I got hit and then avoided attacks to where the extra iframes didn't actually contribute

Then the accessory didn't actually...do anything

I suppose it's not necessarily bad that it's purely doing one thing I just wish an upgraded accessory felt more impactful

[crude geode]

it's whole gimmick is that it grants extra iframes

[idle dagger]

And I think it could use a little bit more than that

I guess the stars being improved would just kind of cover that though

[novel belfry]

i mean, iframes are nuts

even more iframes are very useful

[idle dagger]

I feel that stands out a lot less in comparison to ambrosial ampuole and the absorber as defensive accessories which are available at the same tier

[drowsy plank]

i think the main issue is unlike the other defensive accessories deific isnt really proactive and doesnt really have any recovery abilities

one could argue the iframes in it of themselves are the recovery ability, since they'd help you get in a better position, and i think they're better than most dashes which do something similar, but it isn't something very flashy so people don't really feel the impact like the accessories you mentioned

[crude geode]

that's a more fair complaint

give the iframes more fx, so you know how much longer it actually is

[drowsy plank]

yeah something like that

so you can feel what it's doing

bc it is very good already

you just

cant really tell

[glass arch]

its like a generic damage stat stick

like lets say a class emblem

its an invisible boost rather than a boost like lets say daawnlight

[indigo yacht]

passive aggressive suggestion

[glass arch]

passive defensive suggestion actually

[idle dagger]

I definitely think getting used to reacting to the iframes and using them to reposition yourself is a learning curve that I admittedly am just Not Used To compared to a ram dash so if it's solely a skill issue I have no problems admitting to that

Like in my mind if I get hit and avoid attacks normally for even 2 seconds, deific provides nothing while absorber and ampuole provide healing (among the many other things absorber does)

[indigo yacht]

[idle dagger]

Unironically I think making something that is helping also look like it's helping makes it feel like it's impactful and iirc this is literally something they did with toothpaste irl

[half imp]

I mean

This has already happened

once again the Deific on hit has been adjusted to actually do stuff

the stars are both much more noticable and impactful

it doesn't have an iframe indicator beyond the vanilla blinking effect though

[lucid marsh]

Mana cloak my beloved

Make it a significant part of a mana flower alternative and I will give you uh

Twenty bucks

[vestal crater]

imma do a suggestion that was suggested five years ago if thats fine

i also didnt find anything about it in changelogs but tell me if anthings wrong with it

[gritty plaza]

with toothpaste??

[obsidian nova]

What does "base fishing rod" mean?

[obsidian nova]

The humble Patreon:

[obsidian nova]

Are there even any other iframe inficators?

[idle dagger]

Iirc the original toothpaste wasn’t bubbly or foamy so people didn’t think it was doing anything, so they added a foaming agent that’s safe to make it appear more accurately helpful

[half imp]

I have been meaning to

[half imp]

just a generic fishing rod

[mystic sandal]

would "add a new deerclops rogue weapon" fall under being too specific?

[indigo yacht]

not necessarily but you'd probably be pressed to find good reasoning for it

[keen zodiac]

deerclops ain't even canon

also there's already 10 billion late phm rogue weapons and they're all completely fucking busted

[inland saddle]

If you have these I can pass them

[drowsy plank]

i did not make them but i can do so right now gimme like 20 minutes

[drowsy plank]

here, with numbers included. i just did everything from before the bot died
#suggestions-voting message (107)
#suggestions-voting message (91)
#suggestions-voting message (110)
#suggestions-voting message (132)
#suggestions-voting message (96)
#suggestions-voting message (92)
#suggestions-voting message (96)
#suggestions-voting message (153)
#suggestions-voting message (120)

i included the 90s but if you just want to do the 100s that's fine too

i didnt really like math it out properly but i figured this was good enough

[inland saddle]

Legendary

Ty

[drowsy plank]

btw are we going to get bot reacts for these when the dev votes finish or whatever? unsure how manually passing these into bot voting would work

[inland saddle]

They’ll go through voting like normal

[grave zinc]

@smoky marsh - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change Wulfrum & Desert Prowler’s armor set bonuses to use the Set Bonus keybind]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@dusty atlas - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Replace the throwing bricks in the starter bag with a non-consumable item like an old dagger]

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@solar vine - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Draedon's dates be in YYYY-MM-DD format]

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[dusty atlas]

Yay

[grave zinc]

@next glacier - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Drill Containment Unit able to mine any ores minable by your carried pickaxe.]

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[drowsy plank]

ah okay, i see now, i wasn't sure if, due to the whole technical side, if we weren't going to get these ^ initial messages but we are so 👍

[grave zinc]

@thorn dock - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[give fungal clump a hardmode upgrade it evolves into]

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[inland saddle]

Yeah I was a little busy earlier just needed a minute to pass them lol

[grave zinc]

@fervent orbit - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename Warbanner of the Sun]

It has been voted upon by the devs, and although it did not receieve enough positive votes to pass, the final results were very close.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@smoky marsh - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change Wulfrum & Desert Prowler’s armor set bonuses to use the Set Bonus keybind]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@smoky marsh - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change Wulfrum & Desert Prowler’s armor set bonuses to use the Set Bonus keybind]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
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[mystic sandal]

that was fast

[distant gyro]

i had to clean my inventory off some spoilers to make this showcase

[indigo yacht]

yippee

[mystic sandal]

sick

[distant gyro]

actually there's like 8 different things completely unavoidable feel free to comb them out

[indigo yacht]

holy shit you can craft copper coins now thats crazy

[distant gyro]

you saying that inadvertently made it obvious to me that wulfrum platforms are there

forgot that's real

[indigo yacht]

catastrophic spoiler

[distant gyro]

crum,bs

[indigo yacht]

we need someone to quickly make a clickbait youtube video about this

[distant gyro]

the real crumb is full wulfrum giving 4 defense

[indigo yacht]

insane

idrc about spoilers i just think itll be fun to see all the changes at once when the update releases

[frail fox]

Why was this brought up lmao

Early 2024 suggestion and the best part is that it’s already happened

[drowsy plank]

good question

[indigo yacht]

brought up 3 times by the bot too

[distant gyro]

actually good question

what happened in there

[solar vine]

gotta love the 8 minutes between hitting the vote threshold and it getting implemented

that's how you know it's a good suggestion

[distant gyro]

suggestion implemented in -4 days fortunately

just knew way ahead of time

[serene tendon]

Pog, it was a little odd to have to use laboratory platforms instead

[gritty plaza]

ooh new revengeance mode icon?

or is that old news idk

[tiny minnow]

Still wish there was something unique for playing Death Mode.

[indigo yacht]

it's called "a bad time"

[keen zodiac]

is a pet and a painfully average sword both from the final boss not enough for you??

[tiny minnow]

Can't forget a second pet for opening a bag with a Hardcore character.

[half imp]

technically expert rn

it will probably be changed to match vanilla bunnies

[obsidian nova]

Okay so what I've noticed in this showcase:
The "customize tools button" (most likely just a dev thing)
A new look for blueprints (and some kind of weird contraption in a slot below it)
What looks like a new (or possibly old) exhumed weapon to the left of the blueprint
New sprites for the wulfrum scrap
Old sprites for the sea remains and wulfrum armor
And finally, why are there echo glasses in your inventory?

[indigo yacht]

have you ever used dragonlens lol

[obsidian nova]

Used what

[indigo yacht]

it's the mod that adds the little tool bars at the bottom of the screen and has the customize tools button

it's basically cheat sheet on a huge number of steroids

[obsidian nova]

Well, I haven't even used cheat sheet so

[indigo yacht]

you should

[glad tundra]

blueprints have always looked like that and the item to the bottom of it is the momentum capacitor

[mystic sandal]

Not new, just Cinders of Lament

[versed badge]

Could the Frost shield Part of ranpart See a Buff?

Would help to Max out on the i frame Buff at low Health

[indigo yacht]

probably but that's a #1178515062030348308

i think it's largely agreed that rampart could use a minor buff since even though its quite good it's still the worst of the post-dog/yharon defensive options

[versed badge]

I think the Frost shield Part is critical. Help with the i Frame Part and tackles the fragility due to regenators 50% Health cap. Post rework regenator Looks strong but it will Need the support from ranpart for survibability I believe

Either slightly more Defense or DR

[indigo yacht]

I don't think you should be trying to specifically buff rampart to work with an early-mid hardmode accessory

[versed badge]

Rather Looks Late HM After the rework, has really strong bonuses on it

50% Health cap, 8.5 Special HPs, all other regen is negated and turned into damage Bonus

[indigo yacht]

that doesn't really change this

and anyways

until sso comes out it's not going to be easy to say whether or not they're good enough together

[versed badge]

True Talk

[idle dagger]

Rampart is getting the projectile stars improved

So that is very nice

[versed badge]

But no defensive specific for a def acc I think

The I Frame Part is very strong, thats why I only See Room for improvement from the Frost shields Side

[indigo yacht]

the main problem i see with the frost shield is how conditional it is

[versed badge]

But thats synergeric with the I Frame Part

[half imp]

rampart has plans already

[indigo yacht]

hi doze

[versed badge]

Both Scale with lower Health

Meansthey Are synergetical

Hm o:

[indigo yacht]

i mean

why else would they be on the same accessory

[versed badge]

Sure but that devalues the Argument of how conditional they Are

They will help you when you Need them Most

[half imp]

It doesn't really devalue that argument at all

[versed badge]

Then I think in different easy

[half imp]

ain't rampart frozen Shield just under 50% HP though

Like, them synergizing doesn't change that they're both conditional and so by nature inconsistent

[versed badge]

A def acc Purpose is to keep you Alice

And its conistant and Doing so

[half imp]

no it's still by definition inconsistent because it doesn't work all the time

[versed badge]

It would be different ifit had a Damage Bonus on it that would depend on a Health Percentahe

That would be inkonsistent

[idle dagger]

I hear rampart has plans to potentially become a parry accessory or something

[half imp]

yes

[idle dagger]

Which imo sounds really cool cause I’ve always been underwhelmed by rampart

Definitely in part of it being hard to judge visually how impactful the I frames really are

[half imp]

it isn't replacing the iframes

its just an additional effect on top of what rampart does now

[oblique birch]

!???

cool!

[idle dagger]

I mean that’s good to hear

[half imp]

it hasn't been done at all though so it is just a future idea

[idle dagger]

I would hope it isn’t lol

[oblique birch]

I've been trying to utilize Deific recently honestly I kinda like the extended iframes

[half imp]

In 2.1 Deific and Rampart on hit stars are both getting a glowup though

[oblique birch]

really comfortable

[idle dagger]

I hear it’s a circle coming out of rampart

I assume it’s the same for deific?

[half imp]

yes

and they are homing

[idle dagger]

Dope

I assume a major damage increase

[half imp]

I don't recall what happened with the damage

I know I need to buff Rampart damage more though

[idle dagger]

Do they inflict a debuff at all, out of curiosity?

[glass arch]

doubtful

[half imp]

I don't think so

[idle dagger]

Not that they need to

[glass arch]

they certainly dont inflict one currently and i dont know what they would inflict otherwise

[oblique birch]

that is already for the Amalgam

[idle dagger]

astral debuff

[half imp]

Rampart on hit might also be changed again though

anyway no I didn't give the stars a debuff

[glass arch]

such an impactful debuff on a post deus/post dog accessory

[idle dagger]

okay real lol

[half imp]

They don't need it and cal really needs to stop giving debuffs to every single thing

[frail fox]

New star debuff

[idle dagger]

true

[half imp]

Reminds me

I need to adjust the debuff on all the Stratus weapons thanks

[idle dagger]

I really love Rampart’s sprite so it’s exciting to hear it’s getting some additions to it

I love the paladin’s shield part of it since I play multiplayer for most of my calamity runs

[half imp]

There is also talk about Deific using Ankh Charm

we'll see what happens with that

[drowsy plank]

finally
the second item to ignore dogshit debuffs

[mystic sandal]

id be very down for ankh charm on deific tbh

would make asgards feel a lot less necessary

[half imp]

about that

if it goes on Deific

It goes off Asgard's

[glass arch]

thats fine

[half imp]

Ain't no way we're asking for two ankh charms to be made lol

[glass arch]

also imma be real ankh charm is not that hard to get

[half imp]

in general we agree that both Deific is a bit lacking now that it lost Charm of Myths and that Valor line is way too overcentralizing

[drowsy plank]

wait so deific would get ankh shield as whole or...?

[half imp]

To the point it actively can be a problem when designing other items, enemies, and bosses

[half imp]

just the charm

[drowsy plank]

...so is ankh shield itself just going to be a sidegrade with no upgrades now or

[half imp]

it's not really a side grade when it's like 10 bosses earlier

but yes

[distant gyro]

big maybe

[half imp]

this is all just ideas though that have been going around

All we know for sure is we want to adjust both Deific and Valor

This is one of the suggestions

[distant gyro]

personally ankh charm is a bit of a plague

no good fits no strong benefits by themselves its just there to Add Grind

and stuff like radiance line is so blanket debuff versatile that who really needs single item immunities anymore

[half imp]

tbf radiance needs heavy nerfs

[novel belfry]

Is there anything planned for the "ancient relic" accessories? I.e. Bloom Stone and Cryo Stone?

[half imp]

And it isn't until Radiance that it's blanked versatile

[half imp]

Yes

[novel belfry]

I know Chaos is getting supercharged in the next update

but like, as a set

[versed badge]

Radiance and chalice = immortal

[half imp]

not really

[novel belfry]

its a bit weird that there's just 4 accessories each with the same tooltip "One of the ancient relics"

and they dont really connect aside from naming schemes

I know they used to, in the form of HoTE, but there was a good reason why that isn't the case anymore

(also Rose Stone)

Wait that too has the tooltip too

[indigo yacht]

can we kill all the fucking rocks

[novel belfry]

No.

I like these rocks.

[half imp]

No.

[frail fox]

Reworked rocks look cool

[novel belfry]

I want them to confusingly combine into a stat stick accessory with disparate class-specific debuffs

/s

[indigo yacht]

add laudanum into rampart fr

[half imp]

add chalice to rampart

[novel belfry]

Ah yes, add a drug as a material for a supermagical shield

[versed badge]

Why is laudanum rev exclusive

ankh is annoying to Farm

[frail fox]

Cooking…

[half imp]

because it used to interact with rev mechanics

[versed badge]

Laudanum is one Single item

[half imp]

WAIT

Better

Absorber

[indigo yacht]

add horror back to revengeance mode

[novel belfry]

LMAO

[frail fox]

Horror

[novel belfry]

make the absorber even more insane

[frail fox]

Auric Absorber

[oblique birch]

terrifying sentence

[novel belfry]

Resurrector

[glass arch]

add draedons heart to rampart

do it

you know you want to

[half imp]

drae Heart is too late in progression

Sorry

[glass arch]

tome of the tank you can be real some day...

[novel belfry]

actually screw it

combine Laudanum and Chalice

[frail fox]

Old Drae Heart (OSC)

[half imp]

Absorber of Deities

[novel belfry]

they're both things you drink from for some reason

[half imp]

chalice + everclear

chalice of the drunk god

all damage you apply to enemies works like chalice bleed

no other effects

[glass arch]

that

that would actually be kinda fun ngl

[half imp]

you'll like chaos stone then

[novel belfry]

dot nightmare

@glass arch noooo

[glass arch]

its a repost of a suggestion i made 2 years ago

i still stand by it

[half imp]

These items actually have thematic connections in our plans

[idle dagger]

Unironically I think I really like this

I would absolutely use deific for iframes and immunities while mining or exploring the unground jungle or something since there’s so much nonsense/groups of enemies that hit me frequently

[glass arch]

zen potions

[idle dagger]

I mean true

[half imp]

consumable that requires resources

[versed badge]

#suggestions-voting message

if this Deals Sunmon damage then its another Buff to summoner right?

[idle dagger]

I do never bother to make them even though I really should

[half imp]

It does not deal summon

[glass arch]

which lasts for 15 minutes and costs 2 purified gel and 20 blood orbs (really cheap)

[idle dagger]

If deific had ankh charm you could implement obsidian shield into rampart I guess..?

Actually

[half imp]

wait what purified gel?

OH

[idle dagger]

Nvm rampart already has knocback proof

[half imp]

I was thinking Calming

lol

zen and zerg pots are a plague

[idle dagger]

Which level is calming and which is zen

[half imp]

Calming is vanilla

[glass arch]

zen is the strong one

[half imp]

Zen is Calamity

[versed badge]

Thought fungal clump Deals summon damage

[idle dagger]

Gotcha

Thanks

[half imp]

It scales with your best class damage

[novel belfry]

for some reason i saw purified gel and immediately thought of the purified jam potion

remember that?

[glass arch]

yes

[novel belfry]

the fucking invincibility potion that could only drop once from Slime God per character and world for the simple reason that it's a fucking invincibility potion?

[glass arch]

1/3 uptime for complete invincibility

[novel belfry]

insanity

[versed badge]

Oh, so all classes equally Supported if no Penalty. Cool

[half imp]

there's no penalty on it

it's not a minion

[novel belfry]

(im sad this never showed up in Hunt of the Old God. Perfect opportunity to readd this abomination)

[half imp]

it's just flat out for any class

[idle dagger]

Wait
Does Asgard’s valor only have knockback immunity from obsidian shield or does ornate also give it

[glass arch]

from shield

ornate doesnt

[novel belfry]

I mean, it used to be summon-only

I completely forgot this was removed, too

[glass arch]

which was removed 3 years ago

[idle dagger]

Oh actually I guess you can just make valor consist of ornate and obsidian shield instead of ankh so it’s fine

[half imp]

yea

or just ornate and some other ingredients and have it do KB immunity

[novel belfry]

A lot happened in the past 3 years, okay?

[idle dagger]

Yeah as long as it keeps the kb immunity

[novel belfry]

It's easy to forget

[idle dagger]

I wouldn’t mind it if there were just more accessories that also provided kb immunity

[half imp]

there will be

[idle dagger]

Awesome

[half imp]

We've expanded that list notably

[idle dagger]

Hell yeah that’s really good to hear

[novel belfry]

asgard's valor's monopoly will soon crumble...

[glass arch]

i wouldnt complain if asgards valor didnt have kb immunity but i can see why it still would

[idle dagger]

Now that bloody worm scarf is being made no longer melee only the time for cosmic worm scarf is nigh…

[half imp]

post ml scarf dash when

statis scarf

[glass arch]

dear god

[half imp]

Mechworm scarf

[idle dagger]

Combine statis scarf with void sash and miracle matter to make Statis’ Exo Mantle 🔥

[novel belfry]

and then

the cherry on top

add evasion scarf to that

[distant gyro]

i wouldnt mind it but people might combust given everything thats coming to ram dashes

[half imp]

yeah uh

I don't think they'll need it taken away

[idle dagger]

Ram dashes are getting less immunity frames I presume

Or is there a cooldown too

[indigo yacht]

it's always funny when there's a discussion about something then multiple people make suggestions about the same subject and all the suggestions are incredibly insignificant

[half imp]

we don't know exactly what will happen to rams yet

[idle dagger]

fair

[half imp]

but they will be adjusted and soon

[indigo yacht]

give them a dosge

[glass arch]

i just want the tooltip killed

[novel belfry]

i will get john mage this time

[idle dagger]

Rams killed so hard I never take off Statis’ Ninja Belt 🔥

[half imp]

oh don't worry in my test build I made yesterday that also got nerfed

[idle dagger]

MY STATI,,S,,,

What about it got nerfed if I may ask

[distant gyro]

rams nerfed and tabis buffed...

crazy work

[frail fox]

Belt meta…

[idle dagger]

What even is the tabi buff I keep hearing about

[indigo yacht]

fast

[idle dagger]

Like, the dash itself is just really fast?

[frail fox]

A bit more than that but yes

[distant gyro]

fast acceleration fast deceleration long distance

[idle dagger]

Oh woah

[half imp]

Xyk reworked jt

and it became very very strong

so with rams coming down in power I can pull it down in power some too

[frail fox]

Belts with no nerfs would be so stupid lmao

[half imp]

the first void sash version could outrun ares

[frail fox]

Makes true melee Exos Viable

[half imp]

no it didn't

[frail fox]

Idk it pretty much allowed you to sit on top twins when you dashed from what I saw

Combine that with the Ares speed decrease and Dragon Rage is probably killing Exos in 3 minutes

[indigo yacht]

buff dragon rage

[fleet grotto]

AS GOD INTENDED.

[obsidian nova]

Not really a suggestion but I think it would be pretty nice to replace the copper bars in the decryption computer's recipe with aeralite bars, given that you'll need aeralite anyways to craft the first weapons/armor tier

(Also can we please flip the auric console and server inventory sprites for consistency)

(Like you did with auric toilet)

[stable kiln]

we kindn have plans for deific amulet I think

but since they are not really planned and more just ideas I wont lock it

[cold cosmos]

Oh god finally

Belt dashes used to literally slow you down at a certain point

[half imp]

not just do we have plans, deific has changes that technically satisfy this

but I'm leaving it bc I think we could do more

[thorn dock]

Just in case the fungal clump Passes, would you rather see it at mithril anvil or ancient Manipulator?

[drowsy plank]

i dont think the devs are going to accept it realistically

[upbeat tundra]

It’s funny how often we get suggestions that boil down to “please add items to enable a niche challenge play through/make it easier.”

[thorn dock]

Wdym with niche?

[thorn dock]

?

Its among the most versatile accs at all

[thorn dock]

Also wdym with makes it easier? These are false claims

[indigo yacht]

no they're true

[thorn dock]

Why?

I dont see a Single point

Can you give one?

Its just acc acc, you have to offer another acc for it, if its balanced for its tier nothing gets easier

[thorn dock]

Okay, so no point

[indigo yacht]

this is like saying that most people don't use the letter a fairly often when speaking

i don't need to explain this

[tepid crown]

theyre not talking about the deific suggestions

😭

[thorn dock]

Well doesnt make sense

If you cant explain let it be

[indigo yacht]

i literally did 😭 you pinged me again

[thorn dock]

Never doing that again elsie, I promise

[novel belfry]

@drowsy plank

The bots are working in groups now

[gaunt crystal]

ngl

I hope the fungal clump one passes

life steal in calamity feels severely handicapped for 3/5 classes

ranger, mage, and summoner only get one or two weapons that have life steal

bot

[errant wren]

can we explode this individual

[olive saddle]

i know he wouldnt actually do that but it sounds very in character for mr beast to make a crypto casino

[errant wren]

i mean he's someone who prioritizes profit over his initial passion

so it wouldn't be unheard of

oh nice

individual exploded

[indigo yacht]

that's mostly just bc it kinda isn't good right now

[thorn dock]

Omega blue and dragonblood disgorger are really good tbh... there is some really Potent lifesteal stuff. Its just not common

[whole tundra]

Not a bot

It was a hacked account

We even got the user to speak in cmt

[errant wren]

eh true

it happens so often at this point

let me fix it rn

[gaunt crystal]

I was less so talking about how life steal is "not good" and more so "only 2 classes have even somewhat regular access to life steal"

[thorn dock]

Summoner currently is strongest at lifesteal in my opinion, they have eye of Magnus, even viable in endgame, disgorger on top

Thats not so balanced at all

[gaunt crystal]

eye of magnus isn't a summoner weapon

[thorn dock]

Its a lifesteal weapon that ignores summon damage penalty

Staple weapon for summoner

[gaunt crystal]

it isn't a summoner weapon

[thorn dock]

Its used by the summoner class

Summoner has access to this

[gaunt crystal]

that doesn't change that it isn't a summoner weapon

[thorn dock]

Thats y the summoner class is on top with lifesteal

[gaunt crystal]

and if you include the eye of magnus in this discussion it completely breaks things

[thorn dock]

When did I write it beeing a summoner weapon?

[gaunt crystal]

hence why I did not mention it

[thorn dock]

Scroll up

[thorn dock]

You compared classes

On the topic of having access to lifesteal weapons

[gaunt crystal]

.

[crude geode]

Saying “they have eye of magnus” implies it belongs to the summoner class

[drowsy plank]

well maybe that means that there isn't actually a problem then

also there's still the entire bloodstone set you're overlooking

[gaunt crystal]

guess where those one or two weapons I mentioned comes from

[drowsy plank]

gonna be honest i feel like you're underselling it a lot

[gaunt crystal]

I said melee and rogue get the most options

and most of the things on that list are melee and rogue

[mystic sandal]

Honestly I’m more than fine with melee having more lifesteal than other classes

It is supposed to be the tankiest class

[frail fox]

Melee having the most amount of lifesteal makes sense yeah, since most of those are on true melee hits or vamp knife clones

[frail fox]

Also idk what list this is exactly but Arietes 41 is missing, looks like it’s in progression order and Pearl God is still post-plant here so yeah, same thing on the main lifesteal page I think

[glass arch]

for direct weapons sure

mage also gets. a fair bit off armor and accessories

mage has what like 5 armor sets and at least 1 accessory that directly grant lifesteal

like yes there is a disparity in availability of lifesteal but also every class has really reliable methods of lifesteal

summoner often uses, as previously stated, eye of magnus, which pretty much solves their lifesteal issues
ranged has access to bloodfire arrows if you really want lifesteal
melee has a bunch of weapons with lifesteal + some armor
rogue has like a full line of accessories with lifesteal, plus a couple armor sets
mage has hydrothermic armor, spectre armor, mana polarizer, tarragon, silva, and auric tesla, on top of a couple weapons

saying lifesteal is handicapped for 3/5 classes is wrong because every single class has reliable access to lifesteal

[obsidian nova]

Except for ranger maybe

[main oxide]

The bloodcore bullets do smth like that
Plus there are several weapons that also have life steal as a major property

[humble scarab]

@mossy warren iirc mana potions got changed in SSO

and not every player cuz i dont use mana pots

but i agree that most people use them too much without thinking about the debuff

Sunken Sea Overhaul update

the next calamity update

[mossy warren]

A

I misunderstood

[humble scarab]

i remember one of the devs saying smth about this but i dont remember exacly

[mossy warren]

Well, I think it's better to leave my offer until they respond to it.

[humble scarab]

ye

[indigo yacht]

what does this mean

is this suggestion just asking to buff everything but the mana flower

[main oxide]

It's asking to nerf the mana regeneration potion and maybe the mana flower thing

I think

[mossy warren]

No, I ask that players use the mana restoration mechanic more often (by upgrading it or reworking it), and not ignore it by using mana potions

[drowsy plank]

calamity... already does this considering they reworked the base mana regeneration rate and mana regen potions so

[mossy warren]

Okay

[distant gyro]

i think mana regen builds are actually kind of stronger by virtue of higher mana

if you run mana flower the only mana that matters during the long run is how much mana the player restores from a potion

[mossy warren]

Don't you think that the +20 mana reforge is much weaker than the others?

[distant gyro]

arcane has a very heavy falloff, yes

[mossy warren]

And are you going to change this somehow in the next update?

[distant gyro]

there is an argument it is a point it is the most useful mage modifier and it's when you don't have max mana crystal yet

will take some balancing to do so

so no guarantees

it's also that no one yet knows what to do with arcane

most common toss around is reduced mana cost

[mossy warren]

I think this is really the best idea.

[mystic sandal]

Maybe arcane is reduced mana sickness duration?

It’s specific but it would make mana flower a lot more fun to use imo

Would also incentivize not just going full on one reforge which is always fun to do

And you’d have some pretty significant tradeoffs, do you want to negate mana sickness in exchange for -20% crit chance or -30(ish) defense?

[indigo yacht]

i think that's the last thing the developers want to do to arcane

[gilded citrus]

Thats like the opposite of what i think arcane should incentivise imo

[plush flame]

benefiting ranger 2 would not be a good change

[indigo yacht]

only tangentially related but one thing that pisses me off is when people say that mage is weak because of how mana works and then they directly cite the fact that you have to stop attacking for a couple seconds to regen mana
that's literally the entire premise behind how rogue works
the problem isn't with mana it's with the weapons and equipment

[drowsy plank]

well that would work if it wasnt for the fact that rogue gets a benefit by waiting while mage literally just gets lower DPS by not attacking. conceptually they are practically the same class, but regen mage is just flat out weaker than stealth rogue by design. stealth rogue basically is just regen mage if it was good. which is fine if the future content doc is anything to go by since it seems like focus is going to be more of a hybrid between stealth and spam so that leaves mage in a great position to fill in the gap of what old stealth used to do

[indigo yacht]

the alternative is no dps because it cant attack without mana

this is literally just an issue of perception (and chiefly like i said mage equipment being lackluster)

[indigo yacht]

insert joke about focus rogue

[drowsy plank]

it's not just perception because rogue can just decide it is going to attack whenever it wants and even attacking early still gives you a damage boost

you dont get anything out of breaking the recharge on regen mage except having to wait longer

[indigo yacht]

i would classify being able to deal damage vs not being able to deal damage as a damage boost

[drowsy plank]

but that's not how that works
maybe if other classes had times they had to pause sure, but mage just gets crippled because every other class can do consistent DPS except it

mana is a negative feedback loop that incentivizes attacking less while stealth is a positive feedback loop that always gives you a benefit no matter what

[indigo yacht]

i think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying but I'm in too much pain to clarify right now

[errant wren]

mana overflow mechanic that can only be reached with mana regen and not potions

i literally woke up like 10 minutes ago

[gaunt crystal]

issue with ranged

post ml most weapons either overwrite ammo type or are dramatically worse if you don't use wooden arrows/musket balls

it is unironically a major design issue

to the point where I think a lot of weapons post ml need to have their unique ammo removed and turned into a new ammo type

hell I'm pretty sure every end game ranger weapon overrides your ammo or wants you to use wooden arrows/musket balls

[glass arch]

doesnt mean you still cant use the arrows

as i said

if you really want lifesteal you have access to bloodfire

[gaunt crystal]

ok I was wrong there's one end game weapon that doesn't

the halibut cannon

[gaunt crystal]

fun fact

no you can't

all the end game bows overwrite your ammo type

[glass arch]

specifically four

also if you do need lifesteal to the point where you're forgoing using on tier weapons you do also have access to the previously mentioned eye of magnus

[gaunt crystal]

I don't need life steal that bad

I was pointing out that saying the bloodfire arrows and bullets give ranger access to life steal easily just isn't true

[thorn dock]

Cool thing about clump is that he is super generic, benefitting all classes

He is already commonly used in pre HM, so an UG of him wouldnt be niche

He is quite universal in many ways, carries various debuffs from your gear or proccs your armors effects for example, really versatile

• its not only the lifesteal he gives, thats what I wanted to mention

[thorn dock]

I think the fungal clump upgrade could be very beneficial for Ranger, if the Boss is offscreen, but the healing orbs are shooted rapidly back towards the player. Following the line of the orbs could help with aiming, requires some prediction still

[half imp]

What people forget

is that you can use non magic items while Mana is regenerating

[distant gyro]

no one multiclasses to figure that one out

[half imp]

with that taken into account Mana Regen mage goes from roughly on par with everything else

(mage weapons are a little stronger on average due to the downtime/Mana sickness reducing that)

to just... better

but even without that, mana regen mage is still on par with everything else overall

Mage primarily suffers from lack of accesories more so than anything else

[distant gyro]

frankly people who use mana flower probably use it because it lets you hold down click

for mimimal losses

[drowsy plank]

yeah sure, and that's how vanilla designed it, but you shouldn't have to use another class to make mage good

[half imp]

Yea

[half imp]

mage is good

it's not Rogue or Summoner with crazy broken items but it is definitely good

[mossy warren]

How do you mean crazy broken?

[mystic sandal]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Whips

[gilded citrus]

Rogue and summoner are the strongest classes in the game by a big margin iirc

[humble scarab]

ye

[mossy warren]

But why, even if the developers themselves know this, do they not fix it? (I apologize if this sounds too impudent)

[mystic sandal]

they are

summoner is supposed to be getting a massive rebalancing within the next couple updates iirc

[humble scarab]

its not that simple

it takes time

[mossy warren]

true, but still

[gilded citrus]

They need to rework an entire class while still updating the game within 3 years

[half imp]

We haven't had a major update in over a year

Most of the egregious problems are solved in the dev builds of calamity

[mossy warren]

Alright

[north oracle]

Summoner's still absurdly strong but we're waiting till vanilla adds entire new prefixes before we fix that properly
And yea, the most egregious weapons are nerfed

[distant gyro]

hundreds of accessories, thousands of weapons, ~40 bosses, and anticipation of the entire calculus to change with one vanilla update thats apparently so called coming soon

while all this is happening there's general changes and mechanics, enemies, world content, etc etc

[echo leaf]

which is why mana flower should be REMOVED

[half imp]

True

[oblique birch]

kill all mana flowers

[severe sparrow]

mana flower is alright in concept, terrible in execution

[crude geode]

No it’s concept is awful

[severe sparrow]

just letting you chug mana potions without thought?

i mean
i see your point

[crude geode]

It exacerbates the problem of mana potions by not even adding timing into the equation

[severe sparrow]

yeah

that is a bit of an issue

[crude geode]

and therefore just shreds any concept of mana being unique. Now it’s just ranger with one less accessory slot

[half imp]

mana flower concept is good if potions had any real value

But they're all but free

[frail mantle]

clearly the solution is to kill mana flower and give all mage weapons separate cooldowns

force mage players to constantly swap between weapons like an ultrakill player going for style points

this will have no consequences ever

[gilded citrus]

Use 500 spark wands and flamethrower pre hardmode

[severe sparrow]

finally the supersweaty whipstackers will have competition

[errant wren]

mana flower rework to grow mana bulbs every so often which increase mana regen for a bit

i don't know man

[half imp]

mage is already the most suited for hotswaps

[lucid marsh]

Mana flower stupid

Mana cloak without potions my beloved

[crude geode]

I'd argue even than that it's still extremely braindead