suggestions-discussion

[crude geode]

Yeah

[idle dagger]

ngl if aegis didn't have the ram I just wouldn't use it

lol

[mystic sandal]

i feel like most wouldnt

the ram is why you use it

[idle dagger]

yeah

[mystic sandal]

otherwise its just a slightly better ankh shield

[idle dagger]

knockback immunity is also super important but the absorber covers that

[mystic sandal]

knockback immunity isnt that important until like yharon honestly

its nice but you can easily live without it

[glass arch]

no it really is that important

[crude geode]

Yeah lmao

[indigo yacht]

i think most people undervalue kb immunity because you basically get it for free with Asgard's

[crude geode]

If your only alternative for kb immunity is a post dog accessory, ofc you’re going to just use the line that gives it at every other stage of the game

[mystic sandal]

yeah you'll obv want to use asgards at every opportunity you get

but thats not because of the kb immunity

[glass arch]

there is a reason everything before skeletron suddenly becomes a whole lot easier when you have kb immunity

[mystic sandal]

its a nice bonus on top of the insanely busted ram dash

[mystic sandal]

maybe its just me but my ass is not equipping a shield until i get asgards

[glass arch]

(its not post dog its post cultist)

[crude geode]

Ah

Point still stands

[mystic sandal]

also pretty sure theres a good few other accessories that give kb imm besides asgards line and absorber, tortoise shell comes to mind

[glass arch]

and no its not a "nice bonus" on top of the ram dash its a fucking stupid bonus on top of a ram dash

[crude geode]

The ram can get nerfed as many times as you want, people are still going to shove Asgard’s into every build because it has like. three effects that are absurdly strong

[mystic sandal]

oh wait, tortoise shell is part of absorber tree lmao

mb

[glass arch]

yeah

[crude geode]

And are extremely difficult to find in other spots, let alone together

[indigo yacht]

what's the third effect

[crude geode]

Debuff immunity, knockback immunity, ram

[indigo yacht]

I'm not sure i would classify debuff immunity as strong

[mystic sandal]

it's strong on aegis

on asgards its pretty helpful but you wont notice it on most bosses

[glass arch]

the debuff immunity isnt strong inherently its strong because stoned silenced cursed confusion etc etc all suck turbo ass

aka its a bandaid solution to those debuffs being turbo ass

[crude geode]

Yeah

[indigo yacht]

confusion and cursed I'll give you

the rest don't really matter, frankly

[mystic sandal]

i think this is the best spot the aegis lines debuffs could be in

nothing too impactful, just remove the annoying shit from vanilla

for stuff like brimstone flames, holy flames, etc

go to a different accessory

[glass arch]

stoned is a hard lock in movement if you're facing the wrong direction at the wrong time and silenced is cursed but for specifically mage which makes it actually worse than cursed

same issue goes to frozen

frozen and stoned are both bad and so is glacial state but its literally only infliced by cryogen

[grizzled dome]

why are frozen and glacial state different to begin with?

[crude geode]

Isn’t stoned only Medusa tho

[grizzled dome]

complicated annoying code reasons about frozen not being coded to work with AI?

[glass arch]

yeah

and its still bad

[crude geode]

Yeah it’s bad but like. it’s one biome not even necessary to beat the game

[glass arch]

not necessary to beat them game but you're still gonna encounter it at least once

[mystic sandal]

had a marble biome spawn next to my vernal pass

EXTREMELY annoying

[drowsy plank]

that would require the vanilla debuffs which are the main reason aegis exists (silenced, cursed, stoned, webbed, frozen, etc.) which are generally just dogshit to be made less dogshit

i think webbed was just changed to very high slow already by calamity which is nice, and i dont remember if mashing out of stoned exists yet, but im still malding about silenced literally just turning ur fucking mana off

[misty lichen]

stoned is inflicted by one enemy by a very counteractable attack and silenced is inflicted by 3 uncommon enemies and one boss minion, all with extremely low chances

[drowsy plank]

why does one class get targeted so hard when it is already the worst in the game

[misty lichen]

are you allowed to be annoyed at these debuffs? sure i guess
but you cannot say those debuff immunities are actively making the accessory better

debuff immunities is not the problem, ankh shield would be an unviable accessory in vanilla if it did not have knockback immunity

[drowsy plank]

i like the immunities to those because when are you ever talking off the asguard line
so it basically just means those debuffs dont exist
this is a bit more problematic for the more actually important ones but im not chomping at the bit to get poked by a fairy or medusa while building and needing to deal with the Worst Debuffs Ever Made again

[idle dagger]

Can you imagine if a fucking boss inflicted silenced

I definitely think that since aegis line is so useful with ram dashes and Def I think it's just a privileged feeling of not ever having to deal with a random enemy suddenly shitting on you by proxy of just always having it on

[drowsy plank]

brain of cthulhu does lmao

[idle dagger]

you're kidding

[idle dagger]

oh i guess it inflicts a bunch randomly right

yeah

[misty lichen]

4% chance and removed by calamity mod

[drowsy plank]

https://tenor.com/view/abysmal-dogshit-absolute-cinema-a-guy-gif-7719966734167801090

yeah i know cal already killed it it doesnt make me any less mad that this is even a thing that can happen

[crude geode]

It should have a 4 chance of deleting all bullets and arrows from your inventory as well

[drowsy plank]

literally why are cursed and silence here i do not get it

[misty lichen]

every other source is like

ok 20% chance from specifically dark mummies. tell me how many hits you have taken from dark mummies in any given playthrough. remember this enemy is a recolored zombie that very rarely spawns on contaminated deserts

the answer should be zero

[crude geode]

Pixies is by far the most egregious

[drowsy plank]

yeah no it's pixies that should be the focus here

[idle dagger]

the only time i have interacted with mummies has to been to collect light/dark shards

[misty lichen]

pixies are a 10% chance and have bat ai

[crude geode]

Common enemy in a biome you have to visit multiple times as that class in different points of progression

[drowsy plank]

because realistically, as long as pixie wings take 99 fucking pixie dust you are probably zerging in the hallow for that and that usually ends up leading to hits

i think the chance of getting inflicted with the Fuck Mages Debuff™ should be zero for everything personally bc it is fucking stupid

[misty lichen]

it’s still a 10% chance lol

like if you are very unlucky it might happen twice

before you get pixie wings

[drowsy plank]

i think it shouldnt happen at all!!!!!!!

[crude geode]

^^^

[drowsy plank]

i dont think it should exist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[crude geode]

I like playing the game, not waiting to play the game

[idle dagger]

Zerging in the Hallow sounds like a video game level name

[misty lichen]

i think these complaints are nitpicking!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[drowsy plank]

ur in the nitpicking channel complaining about nitpicking

[misty lichen]

i see it talked about like once a week lol

[drowsy plank]

the entire point of this channel is to complain about the small stuff bc unless it is prohibitively hard this is how it gets addressed

[crude geode]

What does the Fuck Mages Debuff™ even positively add to the game

[misty lichen]

but fair i suppose

[drowsy plank]

i think silenced is a cool debuff name and it would be so easy to just make it cool i even wrote up a suggestion about this previously but it was Too Long so no one voted for it

oh right yeah the idea was silenced just disabled all crits for its duration
not only is this less dogshit but you could actually possibly use it on other enemies/bosses in interesting ways

[idle dagger]

A ton of the highly voted suggestions tend to be super minor stuff like flip this sprite or so, and in the case of making a lame debuff not so lame is 100% an improvement so it has my vote

[drowsy plank]

id need to seperate each into it's own suggestion tbqh lmao

[mystic sandal]

oh thats actually pretty cool

wait nvm it only makes summoner better

[drowsy plank]

no summoner also crits with whips now remember

do whips do that i forget

[mystic sandal]

i dont think they do?

[misty lichen]

no

[mystic sandal]

my snapthorn has no crit chance so

im gonna assume whips dont crit

[misty lichen]

calamity is also removing all whip crit tag because idk

[idle dagger]

I think this was mentioned before but silenced in video games tends to stop mages from casting spells, which is cool and fine but in the context of terraria just is not balanced
Insane Red moment

[misty lichen]

(why?)

[mystic sandal]

i think its because morning star and kscope are the two best weapons in the game right now

like what else can you get post-plant that scales into boss rush

[drowsy plank]

why whip have crit chance then

[misty lichen]

you can make them worse without removing features lol

[mystic sandal]

it's crit chance for your minions i think

not crit chance for the whips themselves

[drowsy plank]

point is it doesnt completely bias towards summoner

plus you could just like

do the brain of cthulhu thing

[idle dagger]

yeah i was about to mention brain of confusion

[mystic sandal]

yeah that was a joke, i do like the idea of doing stuff with crit chance

its a lot better than Cursed But Literally Just For This One Homeless Guy On The Sidewalk

[drowsy plank]

LOL

[drowsy plank]

also tbh agree that's weird

if it's too strong just idk

reduce it or something

[idle dagger]

isn't whip swapping also being killed or something

[drowsy plank]

prolly idr

[mystic sandal]

i think the ideal place for a whip to be at is like

[idle dagger]

I have genuinely never played summoner I have no idea how this class works fundamentally

[mystic sandal]

cool whip

[drowsy plank]

it's incredible how cool whip just manages to sneak past any whip balance discussion it is just a balanced weapon i guess

[misty lichen]

i wouldn’t say entirely

[mystic sandal]

yeah its the least offensive whip in the game

[misty lichen]

it’s just pretty boring with not much to say

[mystic sandal]

and a pretty good weapon imo

[drowsy plank]

oh right i remembered the reason i wrote my debuff rework suggestion was because i was doing master death king slime and was tired of dying to frozen from ice spiked slimes and didnt want to go grind warmth potions (which i also hated for doing Everything at the time)

[crude geode]

Warmth potions my beloathed

those potions are so absurdly strong for their niche like wtf

[drowsy plank]

honestly i wouldnt give a fuck if warmth potion and hand warmer just swapped effects tbh

i think it's like, maybe a bit strong for an accessory slot but it would be way less offensive

[mystic sandal]

its always the most random glup shitto items in vanilla that end up being like "oh yeah btw it nullifies like everything cryogen can do lmao"

[royal tapir]

@glass arch Already happened

[glass arch]

oh nice

deleted in that case

[oblique birch]

who's gonna tell this person

[willow widget]

but yeah everything else is going to be resprited to be more similar to ark of the elements and superradiant slaughterer

[drowsy plank]

@limpid wagon they're doing the opposite of that

[limpid wagon]

lmao

I assume you mean that they're giving everything a custom sprite? Nice.

[oblique birch]

Elemental set won't be rainbow anymore

AotE and SS are what you seeing of the new design

[limpid wagon]

New sprites are always welcome

Hopefully they do a good job on them

[remote dune]

"evil and intimidating green sawblade" lol

[umbral gazelle]

i think elemental weapon with corresponding color to their class' lunar pillar theme would be nice

[crude geode]

Wouldn’t really work well with elemental ray and that’s one of the objectively cooler ones

[glass arch]

would probably be a bit fucky considering every class except like. rogue has multiple weapons

[crude geode]

Melee progression when it gets spoonfed by calamity

[obsidian nova]

I'm guessing that you're talking about HotE?

[celest olive]

fuck

its always the donors

[indigo yacht]

stoned is inflicted by a singular enemy that you're almost never going to see and you can still use other times while silenced

[indigo yacht]

they're what

[tepid crown]

#calamity-update-talk message

?????

[oblique birch]

I love spreading lies on the internet

My favorite

[misty lichen]

i’ve been told this repeatedly in the past so

i don’t think i can be blamed when the communication is shaky

[tough yarrow]

i struggle with melee prog I might just suck 💔

[humble scarab]

Thats why you only trust devs

[indigo yacht]

they're adding yharim in sso

[humble scarab]

Thats true

[smoky stirrup]

huh? fr???

[gilded citrus]

No

Yharim is coming in like the last calamity update
-# unless the devs add noxus and xeroc

[smoky stirrup]

will that be like in 2/3 years or maybe longer?

[gilded citrus]

Sunken sea overhaul
Acid rain overhaul
Brimstone crags overhaul
an entire subworld
Yharim and aerie update

Prob closer to like idk 5

[indigo yacht]

i was lying

[glass arch]

yeah you can still use other items

that doesnt change the fact that its mage exclusive cursed

literally no other class has an exclusive fuck you stop playing your class debuff its only mage

[vestal crater]

5 is underestimating it

Probably

Hopefully it’ll be faster now with fuckingassol gone

[smoky stirrup]

is SSO going to be out this year?

[glass arch]

most likely

[gilded citrus]

Most likely but the devs dont do release dates

[smoky stirrup]

aaa i seee

[gilded citrus]

When the updates ready it will get released

[glass arch]

we dont have a super precise estimate of when but id guess around sometime between september and december, likely on the later half of that

keep in mind this is not a dev confirmed or backed estimate this is purely personal

[gilded citrus]

Late september to october was the vague guess triangle gave iirc

[smoky stirrup]

thats actually good to hear

[glass arch]

to quote fluffy
"That's like
Really specific and founded on literally nothing 😭"

[gilded citrus]

[glass arch]

aka dont put much weight on that estimate

[indigo yacht]

i agree that silenced is a ridiculous debuff but it's rare and super easy to counteract

[glass arch]

yeah

by not playing the class

which is not what a debuff should incentivize

[indigo yacht]

[glass arch]

its a debuff that has no bearing on a class that isnt named mage which is why its a worse debuff than cursed

at least cursed has the decency to fuck over Every class and not just This Specific One

[frail mantle]

does silenced do anything to summoner

or is it quite literally Fuck This Class In Particular

[glass arch]

if you're resummoning

which you shouldnt be doing in the middle of a fight

[frail mantle]

suspected as much

what if you're using one of the, like, three active summon weapons that use mana though...................................

[glass arch]

if it uses mana it cannot be used

[glass arch]

all of them are at stages after brain of cthulhu

well actually i guess the frog isnt

ok so one of them is on a tier before or the same tier as brain

so yeah if you're using the frog it does fuck with you

[frail mantle]

justice for frog users

the most oppressed group of all

second only to gamers

[hybrid snow]

Does endogenesis count

[glass arch]

are you actively resummoning it

[hybrid snow]

I mean it's an option

[glass arch]

ok

but are you

if you arent it doesnt affect you

[thorn dock]

Still thinking about the resistances suggestion involving asgardian aegis and whats the most reasonable attempt to tackle the issue that it is the only viable endgame resistance acc.

Idea:
Make laudanum a non-rev drop.
Stress pills and heart of darkness feature rage and adrenaline and therefore are not compatible with regular classic/expert Mode.
Laudanum however doesnt have these features and therefore could be moved to classic/expert/Master.
This way occult skull crown would still be locked to rev mode and laudanum could be merged into another lategame acc/RAM to give an alternative to the ankh/asgards line

Ah elsi, hi

[indigo yacht]

iirc laudanum used to be related to that one debuff literally everything inflicted in rev, then the debuff got removed

hi

[thorn dock]

Thats a 2nd good reason to free it from rev mode. Good point

[indigo yacht]

why is holy protection only lasting 6 seconds a rev change

[obsidian nova]

Why does lab turret use a suspicious scrap when every other one just uses plates and some other thing

Also, why does onyx turret use gel instead of obsidian

By the way, I think it would be pretty funny if water turret would use a bucket to craft

Also, I've just discovered that it's called Hydraulic Volt Crasher and not Crusher and it's really bothering me for some reason

(Probably because it's not even the right word and Crusher would be the grammatically correct one to use )

[thorn dock]

When will the suggestion bot go up again?

[drowsy plank]

@inland saddle

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465195069406707722/1308300486943965205/suggestion_bot_down.gif

[vestal crater]

This bot… it’s a robot me think

[drowsy plank]

this bot is pissing me off

[thorn dock]

Hmm its down for 2 days already?

[grizzled shuttle]

purely out of being able to stack it with other classes, or even if doing purely summon dmg? honestly curious

[hybrid snow]

purely summon damage

[grizzled shuttle]

damn

never realized

[hybrid snow]

whips are ridiculous and the summons themselves have quite high damage too

[grizzled shuttle]

now im half tempted twitch off summons midway though my current master mode run lmao

[half imp]

I have solution to weak petrification

-100% flight time

Problem solved

#suggestions-posting message

Problem with this: hybrid classing is actually quite good?

@tough yarrow there is plans for this

[drowsy plank]

yeah i already explained this to them and the suggestion doesnt exactly explain what it even wants but that same vagueness made me feel like. well, it isn't actively breaking any rules so. idk

if you want me to flag it tho i can, i just didnt really think that was my call

[half imp]

I don't know if it's actively flaggable

It's like borderline of not really providing a problem or providing a solution

[indigo yacht]

i think it's flaggable just because it's incredibly vague so that's like... too broad in scope??

[drowsy plank]

we could lock it when it reaches voting, say it conflicts with existing plans of. whatever yall plan to do with multiclass sets

looking at astral armor

[half imp]

I don't think it actively conflicts with plans

Although technically

New Whiskey is one item that specifically buffs multiclass

Therefore it is completed and markable as done

[tepid crown]

if it doesnt explain wat it wants then wouldnt that just be lack of reasoning?

[indigo yacht]

^ true that too

[drowsy plank]

arguably yeah

[indigo yacht]

its just sort of like saying a thing and that something should be done about that thing

[drowsy plank]

i know ur prolly joking but id be more than down to just call it at that tbh like when it's so vague i think that could count

[half imp]

it genuinely is

[hybrid snow]

mfw endgame armor that forces you to multiclass

[plush flame]

gem tech doesn't

it encourages

but doesn't force

[drowsy plank]

that's just fargos moon lord

[plush flame]

also doesn't force

you don't have to engage with the gimmick if you don't want to

[indigo yacht]

don't you only deal like 10% damage if you don't or something

oh sorry only 20%

or at least that's what the wiki says

[indigo yacht]

i would say that when the alternative is spending five times as long, its effectively forcing you

unless you're really good at the game and don't need to sweat that time investment

[plush flame]

on maso

the difficulty meant for those looking for a real challenge

[glass arch]

it used to be complete immunity

[plush flame]

twice

[glass arch]

real challenge my ass emode is already a real challenge

maso is for people who want a harder emode

[plush flame]

(100+20+20+20+100)/500=0.56

[indigo yacht]

look the wiki is outdated

it still says that it's a complete immunity and only mentions the 20% on the ftw section

[plush flame]

40% on eternity, 20% on maso, doesn't hit on masoleg is the way it works rn

i specify not hitting because its a lot different from dealing 0%

can't inflict debuffs and arcanum stacks

granted you aren't gonna be arcanum stacking on masoleg ml

[indigo yacht]

have you possibly considered

making a second codebreaker

or

simply moving it out of your arena after you defeat the boss

[mystic sandal]

i mean you could, but i think it would just make sense to be controllable with some wiring

[drowsy plank]

no this is good

this would be a positive change more interactions for a system is a good thing

[glass arch]

it would be a good change yeah

[drowsy plank]

not even just for the fact of being able to activate it remotely but because it would be really funny to jumpscare someone with draedon by wiring it to like. a door

[glass arch]

would it be widely used? probably not, but more interactions with wiring (somehting comically underutilized in calamity) is a good thing

[hybrid snow]

Thats like saying spectre armor encourages mage but doesn't force it, like yeah you can chose to not multiclass but if you get hit you'll be doing the same amount of damage you would be not wearing any armour at all

[plush flame]

it gives bonuses to all classes

some classes get higher bonuses, like summoner

you can still benefit from monoclass gem tech

[hybrid snow]

If you nohit sure

[plush flame]

its weaker than hybridisation, but its still strong

[glass arch]

(this is not as absurd of a requirement for an armor set as you might think)

[indigo yacht]

that's a good point, you're arguably punished for not multiclassing with gem tech

[mystic sandal]

i mean i think thats fine for gem tech honestly

if you dont want to multiclass, auric tesla is right there lol

[hybrid snow]

I don't think it's even arguable you literally are punished which is the whole fucking point of the armor

[indigo yacht]

ok heavy disagree because you use gem tech for scal and boss rush and nohitting either of those is absurd

well

you can use dodges which makes it a lot easier

[drowsy plank]

people do it

[indigo yacht]

but it's still hard

[hybrid snow]

[drowsy plank]

there's reason it's even known that the gem tech gems are good for solo class nohits

[glass arch]

boss rush doesnt actually get that hard to nohit for quite a while

[indigo yacht]

boss rush is hard to nohit bc each attempt takes like 10 minutes THEN you get to the horrific part

[hybrid snow]

Yeah the bonuses are very good but if you aren't nohitting it's genuinely nonsensical to solo class with gemtech

You should at the very least be using 2 classes

[indigo yacht]

oh, i know, I'm just refuting the point that nohitting br and scal isn't a big deal

i know it's practical

[glass arch]

i was more referring to nohitting in general

[hybrid snow]

Yeah I mean we have adrenaline as a mechanic
I think gemtech exists at the tier it exists because nohitting is simply not viable as a casual strategy

[glass arch]

its hard yes but its not as absurd of a requirement for an armor set as you might think

[indigo yacht]

yeah sure but the thing about scal is that nohitting her is harder than nohitting every other boss combined by a factor of 5

and on death mode it's by a factor of 10

[hybrid snow]

If you had an armor like gemtech in pre hardmode or early hardmode it would trivialise the way it forces you to multiclass because it's so much easier to nohit at that stage of the game

[indigo yacht]

when i was nohitting master death she was significantly harder than every masdeath boss barring destroyer who was simply special

[hybrid snow]

Like obviously you can nohit scal but most people will not? Because it's pretty fucking hard?

[indigo yacht]

ok lets be real 90% of the game is free when nohitting

[hybrid snow]

True

[indigo yacht]

there's like, 3 bosses that are hard and 3 that are absolute cancer and one that's absurdly difficult

and everything else takes like 5 attempts

[hybrid snow]

Consider though that a "free nohit" is still more attempts than a lot of players want to put in

[hybrid snow]

5 attempts 😭 😭

[errant wren]

just don't get hit

i have no idea what we're talking about

something about multiclassing

[hybrid snow]

Gemtech, multiclassing

[indigo yacht]

idk im lowkey ranting about scal

[hybrid snow]

What shroom does to a mf

[indigo yacht]

yes. simply do 7 bosses at once

then it only takes 5 attempts!

[errant wren]

scal? the bullet hell patterns are a bit tight

[indigo yacht]

whats ur pb is it still halfway through bh5

[glass arch]

obama double shroom scal...

[hybrid snow]

Does it count when I beat it 10s under mnl and fell into vortex

[indigo yacht]

obama my goat

[indigo yacht]

no you literally got hit

thats what the vortex is

[hybrid snow]

Alright whatever yeah halfway through bh5 is still my best

[indigo yacht]

you should get midnight's mod it supposedly has a config option to instantly kill you in the vortex

[hybrid snow]

Oh that crashes my game

[indigo yacht]

she looks pretty easy to nohit until you actually try

[hybrid snow]

I tried it

[indigo yacht]

😭

you could try uhh

[hybrid snow]

She's not the worst yharon is harder

[errant wren]

the "watching others play" effect

[indigo yacht]

oh i don't think imogen's was open source otherwise i would suggest stealing the item from that

[indigo yacht]

what the FUCK are you on about 🥀

[hybrid snow]

Imogen's should stay dead and buried

[indigo yacht]

fair enough

[glass arch]

yharon is not that bad 😭

[errant wren]

yharon? i'm colorblind so i can't see

[hybrid snow]

Consider: 3 years vs 6 days

Sounds harder to me

[glass arch]

theres like exactly one attack thats hard and thats the tight bullet hell

[indigo yacht]

were you not literally dormant for like 99% of those three years

[hybrid snow]

I was still nohitting just not active in the server

[indigo yacht]

oh

[hybrid snow]

[indigo yacht]

look i never met you before you came back

[errant wren]

elsi when people aren't on discord 24/7

[indigo yacht]

thanks for your input high school

[hybrid snow]

For the best.

[errant wren]

so uh

multiclassing

[indigo yacht]

definitely multiple classes involved in that

[errant wren]

yep

[hybrid snow]

Several even

[errant wren]

it's not unallowed

[frail fox]

Kill every class

[errant wren]

true

replace classes with damage types like in dnd

[golden sonnet]

Worth noting is you can click the summon button, and then just walk/tp to your arena with the options above your head

You by no means need to have the codebreaker in your arena

[golden sonnet]

And doing this is less work than running wire tbh

Granted I'm not opposed to this suggestion, but I feel like if we were making it interact with wire, then it should turn the screens off and make the antenna stop spinning, rather than doing this, which doesn't really address the issue

[tough yarrow]

didn't know, sorry

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-posting message Looking forward to troll my friends with this in Multiplayer. I don't play multiplayer

[drowsy plank]

honestly why is this not how they're written already lol

[obsidian nova]

What?

[drowsy plank]

@obsidian nova

[obsidian nova]

Okay thanks 👍

[half imp]

about gem tech

I think people forget that you only lose a gem when you take over 100 dmg

you can absolutely tankmax with The Sponge and take under 100

[oblique birch]

that is true

[remote maple]

I personally just call Cosmolight the time stick

[errant wren]

not really that much of a homophone...?

also it's uh

read

like

[glass arch]

...yes it is

[errant wren]

you read the item names

[glass arch]

homophone is two words that are pronounced the same way

[errant wren]

i mean it could certainly be read in different enough ways

but also

very different items

i don't entirely see how you would get those confused

[glass arch]

talking

with your voice

[errant wren]

social issue or something idk

i just

don't really see it

imo

[glass arch]

the fact that it can happen (and has happened, as evidenced by my own experience) is kinda. not great

[coral carbon]

it is literally by definition a homophone

[errant wren]

like here's kind of how i pronounce both
cosmolight: cause-moe-liet
cosmilite: cause-mih-liet

like yeah it is pretty similar, but for me it's not as big of a deal

i personally don't have this issue cause i don't talk to people about cal

so i can't speak for that much of its validity

anyways, if i had a reason to rename cosmolight, it'd probably be something about its time manipulation or whatever

[glass arch]

see i live like

midwest america

so i pronounce them the exact same way

[errant wren]

i live in california so it probably does have a bit to do with social context

[crude geode]

I feel like renaming cosmilite is the better ask

[errant wren]

yeah honestly

distortionite

[crude geode]

Cosmolight has relevance to it’s name. Cosmilite has a lot less when it’s meant to be about dimensions and whatnot

[drowsy plank]

cosmic-ite is a dumb namb it shouldnt even be a bar tbqh

just make it like Cosmic Serpent Plating or something

problem solved

[errant wren]

distoria

that also sounds dumb nevermind

[frail fox]

Discoria, post-DoG Scoria upgrade

[glass arch]

discordia

[errant wren]

devourite

[oblique birch]

great names

[lucid marsh]

Distortium

(joke)

[hybrid snow]

this could be peak

abolish bars from terraria

[grizzled dome]

honestly I do feel like bars should come from smelting ores which you mine, and since there's no cosmilite ore for you to mine, making it a bar is kind of very strange.

[distant gyro]

i pit the blame on hallowed bar

it probably caused a domino effect where fab resultingly thought it was a good idea to make reskinned destroyer dropped bars 2

[oblique birch]

everything being bars is definitely, a remnant of the past

[distant gyro]

hallowed bar dropping from vanilla mech bosses is a complete mystery

[errant wren]

they eateded it

obviously

[distant gyro]

as far as we know mechs aren't associated with hallow, and they're gray and not whatever hallowed is

[olive saddle]

tempted to make a suggestion to rename cosmolite out of prue funny

[grizzled dome]

I forgot about hallowed bars. I love when I'm trying to make a point about how modded terraria ought to be for the sake of consistency, and then vanilla terraria comes along and undercuts me...

[indigo yacht]

the nefarious hallowed ore (added by calamity):

I didn't even know debuff multipliers were additive

that would explain why my numbers never added up

[olive saddle]

they should be multipliers because they still fucking suck

[half imp]

nah they're good

[obsidian nova]

Yeah turning it on/off visually would be pretty cool

[obsidian nova]

For what?

[half imp]

don't remember what it said specifically anymore

[coral carbon]

I personally don't use Cosmolight

Because I use Journey Mode

[olive saddle]

if they deal more than 5% of total damage during a boss i will be wholly impressed

[dense locust]

in their current state they are definitely not
not every amplifier is hellfire treads, most are just bad, even massive outliers like cryo stone + icebreaker are just kinda "pretty good"

[dense locust]

this means nothing without context

[plush flame]

on tier debuff build

[dense locust]

sfk or something with cursed

[small bramble]

The homophone thing is funny but yes I do agree with it - to veteran players it doesn't matter but I'm sure newbies would be confused

[indigo yacht]

rename cosmilite to like distorted armor fragment or something

[small bramble]

Tbh yeah I kinda could see them retheming cosmilite as a whole because I think they wanna move away from having 300 bars right?? (desert scourge kinda indicates that anyway)

[indigo yacht]

re add victide bars

[plush flame]

redid it with a better time on expert rev instead of inf and a more offensive playstyle

[gilded citrus]

Its prob staying since DoG wont drop cosmilite forever

[plush flame]

its specifically a metal though

[indigo yacht]

do they not make armor out of metal in the distortion

[tepid crown]

i mean yea

u can just

mention its a metal in the tooltip

or yknow

have the player actually read the lore

[indigo yacht]

calamity has lore?

[tepid crown]

sorry i lied actually

it has no lore

[glass arch]

ok? copper is a metal too but we dont call it copperite

[plush flame]

malachite

[glass arch]

plus like

just because its common

doesnt mean everything needs to adhere directly to it

[frail fox]

Why isn’t Scoria called Scorite smh

[glass arch]

if the name sucks (either in general or for specifically that material) it should be changed to not suck and cosmilite sucks as a name for that material

hell it just sucks in general actually

its about as low effort of a name as you can go

[frail fox]

Actually the only things with -ite in cal are Aerialite, Cosmilite, and Suevite

[drowsy plank]

https://tenor.com/view/abysmal-dogshit-absolute-cinema-a-guy-gif-7719966734167801090

cosmilite

[glass arch]

suevite exists irl so thats fine

aerialite and cosmilite are both kinda dogshit

[plush flame]

something else to consider: the terrarian sucks ass at naming things

[glass arch]

something else to consider: this does not matter if the mod adds an item that has a name that sucks we can just fucking change it

we're limited by naming schemes of vanilla but we arent limited by naming schemes of old calamity

its the same mod, we can change it

[indigo yacht]

I know that people like to say that there's no point in retheming cosmilite if its just going to be changed again later

but like

how many years are going to be in between those two events?

i think its worth putting in at least a little effort to at least fix it before you change it

i know the devs have already made effort to make the dog fight (reputedly) pretty good despite the fact it'll eventually be reworked since in its current state it's a train wreck

[tiny minnow]

That is canon. (Miracle Matter)

[dense frost]

Blue guy

[grizzled dome]

also, ores being named with "-ite" is not a Calamity thing. That's how ores are named in real life.

[indigo yacht]

goldite

[grizzled dome]

not that one, but molybdenum is extracted from molybdenite. (I am quoting wikipedia here and am not a minerologist.)

or, well, the "-ite" suffix is appropriate to all sorts of minerals, not just those that qualify as ores.

which implies that aerialite should smelt into aerial bars (or aerialium bars? airium?), actually.

[indigo yacht]

can we turn aerialite into a binder thats used to make cloud armor

[grizzled dome]

...you know what that's actually incredibly interesting, conceptually.

I'm not sure what the mechanical implications of switching from sunplate to clouds for its main co-crafting material would be, though. Especially since sunplate is craftable.

[dense frost]

Iron
Palladium
Platinum
Zinc
Copper

[fleet grotto]

transmasc aerialite

[grizzled dome]

which are in real life extracted from mined hematite for iron, sphalerite for zinc, and cuprite for copper (although platinum in particular is often found in a pure state, and copper sometimes is too, and palladium is complicated in ways I can't immediately understand)

[dense frost]

Interesting

[indigo yacht]

in game it's just copper ore, though. not cuprite ore

i think that's primarily what theyre getting at

[grizzled dome]

cuprite is a kind of copper ore, but yeah the nomenclature is technically inconsistent.

copper ore = mineral which has enough copper that it's profitable to extract it.

[fleet grotto]

terraria doesn't need to be realistic

[grizzled dome]

this is also true.

[dense frost]

Silly block game indeed

[fleet grotto]

"Terraria, but if I encounter something UNREALISTIC the video ends!" 5 seconds long

[grizzled dome]

but basically the -ite suffix is for rocks, not for the raw metals contained within those rocks.

which is another reason cosmilite bars should be renamed, actually.

[remote maple]

…I don’t think I’m thinking of the binder you’re talking about

[dense frost]

Coos-moo-ligut

Coos-meye-l-eye-tee

[oblique birch]

rock

[remote maple]

MOOOOOO

[indigo yacht]

did the original get deleted?

[keen zodiac]

SUGGESTION BOT LIVES

[thorn dock]

Wasnt satisfied midway about it

Deleted on my own

[indigo yacht]

ah

[thorn dock]

What are your thoughts on laudanum in non rev elsi??

[indigo yacht]

I don't really have any

i suppose its an interesting piece of history that would be a shame to be removed from revengeance but i also just do not care

[thorn dock]

Well not removed

Still obtainable there

[indigo yacht]

i think I'd rather just see it reworked completely

as it stands i cannot think of a single practical use for it, it just feels like a tool to facilitate insane tank builds which is so boring

[thorn dock]

I agree

It is too weak and barely covers any critical debuffs

Thought process was, if moving it to regular, it would allow the possibility to start a new line.. Meaning its potential upgrade might also grow its resistances. Similiar to ankh/asgards

[olive saddle]

i would too. especially given a recent change they made to it that blows my mind with how absurd it is

the fuckin

removing debuff immunities

very smart

[drowsy plank]

laud when it is just prehardmode ankh but just the bad part

[grave zinc]

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[drowsy plank]

[indigo yacht]

🔥

i know that it's supposed to be being made more practical soon and maybe then i won't have any more issues with it

but like idk

[obsidian nova]

Yeah pretty sure it's going to be an ore in the new distortion biome

[obsidian nova]

Why are we limited by naming schemes of vanilla by the way?

[obsidian nova]

What

[obsidian nova]

Who's finding ore in their first 5 seconds smh

[drowsy plank]

...i assume they mean the slimes

[distant gyro]

i think it already ends with the character select menu

[ripe owl]

make the character's skin blue and it's already over

[errant wren]

it ends with the starting-up (splash screen)

[indigo yacht]

it starts with booting up the game because nobody would actually be willing to play this nightmare when they could be playing minesweeper instead

completely unrealistic

[grizzled dome]

Rename Tarragon Armor

Tarragon armor is an extremely late-game armor set, obtainable only after killing a deity at full strength. Tarragon, on the other hand, is an aromatic herb commonly used for cooking. For what is supposed to be a truly epic armorset, the name "Tarragon armor" is silly and robs it of its deserved gravitas.

Thoughts?

[indigo yacht]

auric means relating to gold

which is a preboss armor set

[grizzled dome]

gold also has a lot of cultural and thematic value. And has been separately defined within the lore of Calamity with the context of auric souls.

[indigo yacht]

you could make the latter argument for tarragon also

but fair

[grizzled dome]

Gold is the stuff of myths and legends, the treasure qua treasure, the end goal of all alchemists. Tarragon is the stuff of moderately fancy cooked chicken.

[indigo yacht]

i mean if you're going back in history tarragon also has mythical and society value

[grizzled dome]

It has practical value, but mythical?

Tarragon's only been cultivated for 600 years, according to one somewhat-dubious source. There's some vague stuff maybe but like... tarragon isn't even the most mythologically relevant commonly eaten plant I can think of (that would probably be apples, as the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, or possibly lotuses).

one thing claims the word tarragon is maybe slightly tied to dragons, indirectly, maybe?

Which is like... almost something. It's Artemisia dracunculus. So, something about Artimis and something about dragons... no, I'm sorry, I'm really trying, but I just can't think of tarragon as something with tremendous mythological significance.

[weary bane]

tarragon is probably getting replaced in the future anyways

[indigo yacht]

not a reason not to change it

[grizzled dome]

I also feel like I wouldn't mind the name "tarragon armor" if it was like... a really early-game thing. Like if pre-boss you had something called tarragon armor, sure, you're just starting out. You might have some slightly suboptimal stuff. But this is one of the last amor sets in the game.

[indigo yacht]

apparently silva is just the latin word for forest

[grizzled dome]

yes, but latin is an intrinsically pretentious and/or portentious language.

and I'm not asking for anything for much. But this is clearly not supposed to be a silly armor set. It's not like pumpkin moon or something. This is supposed to be a big serious armor set and it's named after something you'd rub on a chicken.

[indigo yacht]

okay but like

all the names were just chosen because they sound cool

tarragon is just that, thematic and it sounds interesting

silva too

[grizzled dome]

I respect that. I just don't think tarragon sounds cool. Which I recognize is intrinsically subjective.

[indigo yacht]

even though they're an herb and the word forest in a different language

[indigo yacht]

lowkey god slayer armor is this close to being dogshit in my eyes

because it just barely doesn't sound edgy and stupid

[grizzled dome]

I'm not opposed to "pick a random semi-relevant cool sounding word" as a naming scheme. I just think it failed in this very specific instance.

[ripe owl]

it's getting reworked into a Profaned set or whatever in some future update

[indigo yacht]

correct me if I'm wrong but that update will not be anytime soon

[ripe owl]

yeah, it's definitely not SSO 1

if I had to take a guess it'd come with the profaned biome or whatever is planned

[grizzled dome]

like, and this is not a formal suggestion but just a random idea, what if it was Yggdrasil armor instead? I don't even know if that's a good name but I feel like it's better than tarragon.

[olive saddle]

yggdrasil feels a bit too potent/mythical, id expect yggdrasil for an endgame armor set or some super overpowered (never happening because its calamtiy) armor set thats dropped from a really strong boss. not something id get from a flying flaming rock

[indigo yacht]

i just think tarragon armor looks hideous tbh

[ripe owl]

treebark armor, clearly

fossilwood

[grizzled dome]

no this isn't Runescape

[olive saddle]

i was gonna make the joke and say wood armor from minecraft but we already have wood armor

[grizzled dome]

I mean, said flying flaming rock is a literal deity? so I feel like potent/mythical names are on the table.

[olive saddle]

im not discounting the fact that it is a deity, i just dont think yggdrasil fits really

[plush flame]

also calamity gods are a bit different

slime god is a real god

[grizzled dome]

And I'm not arguing for Yggdrasil. That was just a random thought off the top of my head. I'm arguing for "not tarragon".

[ripe owl]

tree of life connected to the deity of extermination

[olive saddle]

fair enough

[ripe owl]

something doesn't add up

[olive saddle]

call the armor death armor

[plush flame]

tarragon also has the phonetic connection to terratomere

[ripe owl]

Terragon, clearly

[grizzled dome]

no it doesn't. It's not spelled the same, and it's not really pronounced the same.

[olive saddle]

terrariagone because i midn as well be playing a different fuckin game with how much stuff the mod changes

[plush flame]

to the latter, they are

[grizzled dome]

fair. I wasn't sure how "tarragon" was pronounced and second-guessed myself. (I am tired.)

[indigo yacht]

sincerest apologies to whoever sprited it but its not my style at all

better than the previous one though

[indigo yacht]

to be fair

literally why the fuck does providence spawn fossilized tree bark

[ripe owl]

some 2018 Terraria mod logic

[indigo yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-just-typing-shit-bro-just-typing-shit-gif-18336060238854257551

[indigo yacht]

real

old cal was incredibly wack

tbf vanilla also can be

why do the mech bosses drop hallowed bars what even are they

[ripe owl]

idk maybe it's the metal they're made out of

like wouldn't it be logical that you basically recycle the parts of the killed foes

[indigo yacht]

that would make sense but it doesn't appear that way

[grizzled dome]

it would, but why are evil cthulhu mechs made out of holy metal?

With a totally different color scheme than the actual mechs? It's just strange.

[distant gyro]

just sayin the penultimate set name drops nikola tesla

surely hes deific status

slight jest

[indigo yacht]

tesla sounds cool so doesn't matter :glueless

[grizzled dome]

tesla has taken on something of a role as The Electricity Guy in modern culture, oddly. And I do recognize I am being arbitrary.

[distant gyro]

its always been funny that auric tesla is iconic to calamity and its just namedropping the guy whos john electricity

[grizzled dome]

good ol' Gold Nick armor.

[distant gyro]

cybertruck set

thats also a tesla

[indigo yacht]

🥀

[ripe owl]

fuck

[grizzled dome]

all auric tesla armor now comes with one of those stickers that says "I got this before he got stupid" or whatever they say, you know the ones

[plush flame]

when are we gonna get auric edison armour

[ripe owl]

breaking news: auric tesla is actually getting removed alongside everything auric-related

lal

[plush flame]

yharim has submitted several dozed copyright claims

[dense frost]

They just look like regular metallic robots

Should be more this colour

[gleaming herald]

its either this or adding a way for the sulphurous sea to scale with custom height

[thorn dock]

Really?

[ripe owl]

No, of course not, it was a joke

Don't take things on the internet too close to your heart

[thorn dock]

Sad

(;

[ripe owl]

I take back my words, you are sentenced to a guillotine

[obsidian nova]

Man Akatsuki really fell off since Boruto came out smh

[obsidian nova]

Counterpoint: Record of Ragnarok

[obsidian nova]

Counterpoint: Auric Tesla mount from Vanities

[obsidian nova]

True
Looks kind of like steel covered in electrum
(Wait, electrum? HOLY-)

[thorn dock]

#suggestions-posting message

I think terragons name fits perfectly.
It resembling a druid armor set, I m seeing no issue with its connection to a herb

[gilded citrus]

I think the issue is that its fucking plant armour from the fire boss but thats theming and not just naming

[thorn dock]

So a resprite and Rename?

But the Boss Drops the Green uelibloom bars

Again they fit the druid armor perfectly

Also prov isnt the only source to get uelibloom ore from

So there isnt even a definite connection to the Boss and the armor itself

[gilded citrus]

And uelibloom is getting nuked at some point

[thorn dock]

To current date/ Design I m not seeing a Single point to justify the rename

[obsidian nova]

Hey great idea
We can just rename it to terragon

[obsidian nova]

Wdym

[gilded citrus]

Theres uelibloom slimes

[gilded citrus]

Provi still spawns it

Its tied to her due to that

[thorn dock]

Still the poimt stands

No definite connection between prov and the armors design

[obsidian nova]

Btw, what does pickaxe resistance and custom tile merging behavior means?

[gilded citrus]

What pick power is needed to mine it

And idk the other

[gilded citrus]

Theres a connection between provi and uelibloom tho

[obsidian nova]

I mean, the armor also uses divine geodes from her

[obsidian nova]

No, it's not pickaxe power

[gilded citrus]

Dont you need 225 to mine ueli?

[thorn dock]

Mech bosses drop hallowed Bar, which turns into hallowed armor.

Hallowed armor has nothing to it that fits the mech bosses theme, nothing that makes it look mechanical

[gilded citrus]

There is grey look to the bars but fair

But that’s just colour differences not completely different theming from boss and armour

Contradictory theming at that

[thorn dock]

Also if you want its sprite changed, does a good substitue for the nature/ druid theme exists? Some ppl might love to go with this for vanity

[gilded citrus]

Tarragon is getting axed and a proper providence armour is eventually being made iirc

[gilded citrus]

Theres silva armour later on

If you want post ml planty armour

[thorn dock]

Maybe Personal preference, but Silva doesnt even come close

[mystic sandal]

Would post dog or endgame make more sense for a zenith tiershift, thinking of putting it in suggestions but I can’t really decide which would be better

[thorn dock]

Silver diesnt even fit the nature theme

[gilded citrus]

Silva not silver

[thorn dock]

With all the golden elements

[mystic sandal]

Post dog would make sense since that’s the time you’re upgrading a lot of vanilla weapons, but endgame would also make sense because it’s literally called the Zenith

[thorn dock]

Yeah sure

Auto correct

[gilded citrus]

Its in a odd spot cause it wrecks providence and is dogshit against dog and yharon yet is pretty good for exos and scal from what i hear

[gilded citrus]

To me it seems like theres gold, wood and greenery

[obsidian nova]

I'm talking about this

[distant gyro]

pickaxe resistance is basically tile health

[obsidian nova]

Idk they look pretty much the same for me
(Also, it's already been said here but Silva is Latin for forest so it does fit)

[distant gyro]

think of tool power as damage

chipping away at a health bar

so copper pickaxe (35 power) hitting a dirt (50 HP) breaks in 2 hits

[obsidian nova]

Pretty sure it's already endgame
(Or do you mean like post scal/exo mechs?)

[mystic sandal]

Shadowspec tier I mean

[obsidian nova]

I mean, it's going to get resprited later on

[mystic sandal]

If that’s even possible to suggest

Which, honestly might not be

Pretty sure every shadowspec thing currently is a dev item

So it would feel out of place

[gilded citrus]

Dont they treat the zenith like reds dedicated item or something

[obsidian nova]

I see
Thanks

[obsidian nova]

Yeah about that, shadowspec bars itself are also a dev item actually

So yeah it wouldn't work

[oblique birch]

Shadowspec is post game

not endgame

[gilded citrus]

Zenith is auric tier so its like literally already endgame/one tier behind it

[thorn dock]

Thoughts on this?

It consumes 3 minion slots, which is alot.
The damage appears underwhelming, compared to for example mutated truffle, who also consumes 3 slots.

The 5% bonus damage to summons barely does anything, it would have greater effect on a large number of minions, however, it taking 3 slots negates this and appears highly contrary.

Could this rather fit an accessory? Like pre rework mutated truffle was?

This way it would leave more minion slots open to work properly and have its damage bonus take proper place

Technically it isnt a minion but rather an aura

Or just the comparsion with 3 dazzling stabber staff (prov summon drop), it easily gets outperformed by other summon weapons of its tier

[obsidian nova]

How do I suggest adding walls for the (craftable) blocks that don't have them yet (like euthropic glass for example)?

[fleet grotto]

no point tbh because it's just

sprite issue

eutrophic glass is being added! it's just been in sprite hell for so long

[obsidian nova]

You mean wall?

[fleet grotto]

yes

[obsidian nova]

Cool

[indigo yacht]

@rover add eutrophic glass walls to the banned suggestion list

[obsidian nova]

What's the message?

[tepid crown]

u can type eutrophic glass wall in discords search and itll pop up

[thorn dock]

Bot is down again?

[indigo yacht]

it says it's online still

[thorn dock]

Should have been gone into voting 4 minutes ago

[indigo yacht]

I don't think you need to be worrying when it's only been 4 minutes

[thorn dock]

:> aye

[lucid marsh]

I think I heard that Eutrophic glass walls were finally done

The sprite sheet is apparently like twice the size of the sprites for the leviathan or something

[indigo yacht]

that's just normal eutrophic glass

[lucid marsh]

Really?

You sure?

[indigo yacht]

the glass walls work differently so they don't have a big ass sprite sheet

[lucid marsh]

Oh

[indigo yacht]

yes just search for "eutrophic glass"

[lucid marsh]

I would assume it's still pretty big

Nope

[frail mantle]

The Glass

[lucid marsh]

The Glass

[dense frost]

The Glass

[sharp helm]

The Glass

[indigo yacht]

The Glagg

[errant wren]

The Clagg

[fleet grotto]

The Glass

[glass arch]

The Glass

[drowsy plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465195069406707722/1392668647440519238/spriter_hell.gif

[mystic sandal]

The Grass

[oblique birch]

New AotC suggestion here we go

[half imp]

@teal yarrow there is already plans to change big rip

some are done, VFX are waiting for someone to do them

[drowsy plank]

so should i lock it?

[half imp]

probably

[obsidian nova]

I guess you could say your ass is gla-

[thorn dock]

Y the Mark?

Dont understand

@north oracle

Its retracted anyway now

But consider different factors is generic

The killltime Inflation leading with the Word example too

[north oracle]

intentionally balancing summoner to kill bosses slower seems counterintuitive.
also a suggestion to balance summoner in a specific way isn't really what the suggestions system is used for. we're going to balance it, and if nothing else this suggestion conflicts with the existing plans

[thorn dock]

Needing them to take some time longer doesnt seem specific to me but its fine for me

[indigo yacht]

i think what fluffy is trying to explain is that, slowing summoner down doesn't solve any problems with the game, which is the purpose of a suggestion. although i didnt see the suggestion so maybe im wrong

[teal yarrow]

yippee

[indigo yacht]

i dont actually know if this is true

[hybrid snow]

erm shattered community actually

[drowsy plank]

i just pop it whenever i see a miniboss or large enemy

[indigo yacht]

oh yeah of course let me just grab the endgame accessory

[keen zodiac]

gfb

[hybrid snow]

just beat the game :clue

[indigo yacht]

same, for minibosses. i just think itd be more fun if it was also useful when you're caving in the earlygame or something

[hybrid snow]

make shattered community preboss and scale for the rest of the game = problem solved

[drowsy plank]

do you not do that

[indigo yacht]

what, is it like a leviathan drop or something fucking dumb like that

[drowsy plank]

ill pop it on a giant shelly if im early in the game enough

[glass arch]

oh of course let me just grab the post old duke accessory

[hybrid snow]

i dont think ive ever used rage on regular enemies

not even in like events

[indigo yacht]

not really, unless there's like a swarm of enemies. otherwise it feels like a complete waste because there are always swarms of enemies and i want to have rage ready for them

[indigo yacht]

oh

[drowsy plank]

going tbqh this is just a gamer skill issue tbh

[remote maple]

I pop rage whenever it comes up. No matter what

[drowsy plank]

it's the mana potion problem in every rpg where it's a limited resource so you just never use it

[glass arch]

i used to use rage but now i just kinda dont

[hybrid snow]

(true)

[indigo yacht]

that's probably true but what do you think of the suggestion

[glass arch]

it doesnt feel like its ever been necessary or really even good for me to use

[indigo yacht]

rage should give you 50% damage reduction when you get hit while it's full

[drowsy plank]

inoffensive no strong feelings on it either way

[indigo yacht]

fair enough

[glad tundra]

would be so awesome if they reworked it to be more mechanically interesting then sitting next to an enemy until you get a meh damage bonus

[indigo yacht]

tbh i barely even notice the damage bonus

i think i just use it because it feels like I'm supposed to

[hybrid snow]

i mean 1.35x is pretty big no?

thats like dsa but at all points in the game and without downside

[indigo yacht]

like

i guess

it doesn't feel that way

[hybrid snow]

it used to be more

weird nerf imo

[merry yoke]

genuine question, what skin tone is calamitas

[indigo yacht]

gray

[merry yoke]

some people said dark purple while others said really brown

😭

[indigo yacht]

uh it's definitely not either of those

it's just gray

[merry yoke]

yeah...

i forgot how to spoiler an image

mb

[gilded citrus]

Grey
The reason she is reddish is due to the sprite having lighting as if its mid fight with all the red flames and stuff

Even when as an npc theres none of that
They are fixing it in sso i think

[drowsy plank]

she is ash gray because that is like the whole Thing™

[gilded citrus]

Unstrawberried the calamitas

[merry yoke]

someone drew her brown

but idk if i can send it

[drowsy plank]

i dont
that's fine??

why are we discussing this here lmfao

[merry yoke]

idfk lmao

here

[indigo yacht]

🥀

[drowsy plank]

[hybrid snow]

🥀

gray

[gilded citrus]

Grey on the plush

[indigo yacht]

you can always be creative with art, nobody will kill you for it but her skin is grey

[hybrid snow]

actually creativity is never allowed in art

you will be punished with death

[remote maple]

Bro

[merry yoke]

I GOT HIM

TO CHANGE IT

PEOPLE TRIED TO VOTEKICK HIM FOR RACISM

cry_sob_tiktok

[remote maple]

Leave my scissors alone

[dense locust]

snip

[merry yoke]

Skull~1

[gilded citrus]

Why is this being put here

[merry yoke]

ion see a general

:v

[gilded citrus]

#general-media #general-talk

[merry yoke]

ty

[grave zinc]

@teal yarrow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework arc of the cosmos's dimension snip]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[keen zodiac]

evil and intimidating lock

[teal yarrow]

[uncut fog]

I don't think using it out of boss fights is something I've ever done because outside of bosses the enemies other than early pre-hm and maybe also maybe early hm are pretty easy to kill

I do think being able to use it during minibosses wouldn't be bad

[indigo yacht]

okay wait i have this weird memory of my biome spread suggestion (slowing it down further sometime post ml, just like how it slows down after planter) got vetoed by fabsol

it probably wasnt but i wanted to check

[keen zodiac]

i vaguely remember something like that

post dog is a really good idea actually

[lucid marsh]

It should be post Evil 2 once those bosses are changed to be post moon lord

Ooh, idea

[frail mantle]

why specifically then

[lucid marsh]

Because they're associated with the evil biomes

[keen zodiac]

the zenith isn't

[lucid marsh]

I'm not talking a lot the zenith I'm talking about evil biome spread

New idea: PML evil 2 bosses drop an item that allows you to control the rate of evil biome spread. You can make it zero, make it higher, or even make it negative so that evil biomes decay into regular ones over time

[keen zodiac]

[gilded citrus]

Imo zenith is fine at auric

[keen zodiac]

it fits the cosmic vibe of dog a lot better + the calamity zenith (aotc) is on the exact same tier

[gilded citrus]

I dont see how it fits the cosmic vibe

And i dont see the issue of your other point

[indigo yacht]

me neither

[tepid crown]

ourple

duh

[indigo yacht]

post dog doesn't make any sense to me

post yharon i get bc like end of the game weapon but actually has a use this time

[keen zodiac]

it's purple and looks really sci-fi and spacey

[grim tusk]

not this bullshit again

[gilded citrus]

Purple isnt a point just no
Sci fi how???
I dont see it as spacey

[keen zodiac]

enlighten me

[indigo yacht]

lmfao

[grim tusk]

tbh shift it to shadowspecs, make it Redigit’s dev weapon

[indigo yacht]

i could also see that

[keen zodiac]

if it doesn't look scifi to you then what the fuck is it

[gilded citrus]

It looks pristine and sleek but not technological

[indigo yacht]

looks like a little bit of both imo

[mystic sandal]

I thought of suggesting shadowspec but also didn’t know what the rules around that were

[grim tusk]

you cant suggest shadowspecs stuff

[fleet grotto]

melee already has a BILLIOM melee weapons at that point

like genuinely

there's too many

[keen zodiac]

would post dog not also let you use it???

[grim tusk]

true

[indigo yacht]

not what i said

[keen zodiac]

remove some

[mystic sandal]

Melee has a billion weapons at most points in progression

There are many, many melee weapons

[fleet grotto]

SPECIFICALLY post dog

dog unlocks so many...

[tepid crown]

16 options btw (not counting each galaxia attunement as seperate, even though they all function differently)

[mystic sandal]

I mean all I’m saying if we killed like half of all post dog weapons how many people would actually notice

[fleet grotto]

anyways zenith is just perfect where it is

[keen zodiac]

enforcer is already dying, let's keep the train going

[fleet grotto]

it's ass against yharon

[indigo yacht]

ah but we can simply buff its damage so it's actually good!

[gilded citrus]

[mystic sandal]

I just think thematically it kinda lessens the impact of aotc to me

[tepid crown]

just make it as strong as cosmic discharge

[grim tusk]

yea Zenith is good where it is

and so is AotC

[gilded citrus]

The miracle matter tier in its entirety?

[indigo yacht]

if it's bad on yharon then making it post dog would be the most nothingburger choice of all time

[mystic sandal]

Like this is the ultimate sword you’ve been working towards for your entire playthrough, the culmination of everything melee, on an unrelated note, here’s the same thing but vanilla

[gilded citrus]

Not only often stronger but also the apex of that subtype often

[grim tusk]

both Zenith and AotC are these types of weapons

just AotC came first

[keen zodiac]

yeah having 2 on the same tier is stupid

[tepid crown]

TWO CAKES

[mystic sandal]

I’m not gonna suggest anything happen with aotc, I think it fits very well as is

[fleet grotto]

aotc is calamity's finale
zenith is vanilla's finale
or something

[grim tusk]

(pretty sure thats being reworked)

[indigo yacht]

if you buff it to be good on yharon, it would be extremely overpowered (it's literally already the best solo melee weapon for exo mechs and the best for hunters in general, and it's also decent on scal)
if you let it be the same, nothing changes except you dont use it on yharon
if you nerf it so it's not too strong on exoscal, literally what is the point of the retier at all

[tepid crown]

add exoblade and thats a third cake

[mystic sandal]

revert to post ml and nerf to be useless, true?

[tepid crown]

wait guys

[indigo yacht]

you either demolish game balance, nothing changes, or you make it nonviable

[grim tusk]

no

god no

[tepid crown]

clearly the solution is to do wat fargos does

[gilded citrus]

The entire miracle matter weapons as a whole if we dont wanna stay to just melee

[mystic sandal]

First of all I fucking HATE cakes

[grim tusk]

playerbase would whine

[indigo yacht]

the sole use of it would be for the event moons but like. oh boy the ultimate vanilla weapon being used to kill halloween for the second time in your playthrough and never touching a boss enemy, what a fucking letdown

[tepid crown]

well your opinion on cakes are WRONG

[lucid marsh]

Moon event buffs are getting removed anyways

[indigo yacht]

this sounds a lot harsher than i intended it to sorry

[mystic sandal]

Tbf they’re getting removed after SSO so it’s not gonna be anytime soon

[fleet grotto]

We have Murasama already!!!

[mystic sandal]

No it’s fine dw, being harsh is good here

[fleet grotto]

It's PERFECT for the eventa

[mystic sandal]

You’ve got a point, it def gets much worse

Was mostly just considering zenith thematically here rather than zenith as a weapon

[lucid marsh]

Oh yeah I guess that makes sense

[indigo yacht]

yeah but someone might interpret it as harshness towards the suggestion author and i dont want that

[gilded citrus]

Imo it kinda fits anyways
Strongest of vanilla fitting into the highest relevant tier in calamity idk

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-posting message Retiering Zenith to pre-Yharon would effectively not change anything except when you obtain it

[keen zodiac]

that's the point

[whole tundra]

It's actually garbage vs Yharon due to how little time he is on screen

[keen zodiac]

currently, the "when you obtain it" is bad

[indigo yacht]

!!

[gilded citrus]

Pre dog

[indigo yacht]

it is good against dog

or like

would it be if it was nerfed according to a retier

[keen zodiac]

honestly atp
remove terratomere, make zenith post prov

[gilded citrus]

I doubt thats happening

[whole tundra]

It definitely makes sense to be post Yharon as you fight the final bosses with the Zenith. The word Zenith means "the time/point at which something is at its most strength or successful", which you basically are before the final bosses

Also, consider looking at the image

Wrong image