suggestions-discussion

[grim tusk]

the rework is already teased in the Patreon

[frail fox]

I mean for number 2 there’s plenty of examples to go through but yeah

[grim tusk]

Hypothermia having the stealth be an opportunity to close in the distance and dealing a shitton of dmg

[lost canyon]

I didn't know there were plans to make rogue more hybrid than it is now. That's cool to know! As for examples, ones that I can think of now are the Seraphim and all its previous downgrades

I didn't think to post this in #1178515062030348308 because it felt to me more wide scoped than one specific weapon

[frail fox]

Although a few of the notable ones got reworked next update (Rotor, Kylie, Glaive)

[grim tusk]

Crystaline had a bug identified that made it weaker
probably affects Prismaline too
as for Shattered Sun/Dawn I was planning to check out with the rest of pre-DoG stuff
as for Seraphim can you get results? last time I checked stealth outperformed spam by a lot

[frail fox]

Seraphim

[grim tusk]

The bug of Crystaline being nerf to crystal bullets affecting it by proxy (same projectile for shards)

[grim tusk]

armor pen being inconsistent once again

probably now considering RtN and GoR were both buffed

and the balance got messed up

I’ll take a look

[lost canyon]

I could try to run the numbers. You may be right though. This is based off my experience, as well as hearing from many, many others about there being outliers where it is just better to spam, so I figured

[grim tusk]

actually probably best to not touch it yet considering Nanotech rework

[whole tundra]

I sure love how mobile discord broke a thing again and it's the star react specifically

[grim tusk]

you can react on mobile by doing it as if you were to react to a message for the first time

[frail fox]

GoR buff (it’s boosts the stealth gen that it has for some reason)

[grim tusk]

altho probably wont work if you dont have reaction perms

[whole tundra]

Wait it's more than just stars

[grim tusk]

yep its all reactions

[whole tundra]

Rest in peace mobile discord user's voting abilities

[lost canyon]

My intention is not to kill spamming for rogue, but for it to exist as a second option. Since it's easier, it made sense to me that it should have a lower output. Though, I didn't know there was already a rogue rework in development

I think spamming is neat for occasional use

[lost canyon]

@grim tusk You mentioned that I should give an example. Since Gpscorpion gave one for the Seraphim, I decided to choose the pre-dog weapon Toxicant Twister and used it against DoG. I found that I got around 2:39 with spam, and 3:10 with stealth. I did it twice to make sure. For spam, I used Blunder Boost and the GoR, and for stealth, I used GoP, and Electrician's Glove. And then I used the Dark Matter Sheath and Abyssal Mirror for both as well. All of these accessories had menacing, and I didn't use rage or adrenaline.

I know you said that this would be too big of a change, but I figured I at least owed you an example for why I made my suggestion.

[grim tusk]

Toxicant Twister is reworked for SSO and it indeed is a balance monster and it gets worse due to being an OD weapon

also both GoP and Electrician’s glove are outclassed here

[oblique birch]

Balance monster? The... new one?

[grim tusk]

maybe not GoP but electrician’s glove is outclassed by Moonstone crown

[grim tusk]

both old and new

[drowsy plank]

it's funny bc this is under tiercord times, but i imagine this is because it is prolly more offensive than tiercord builds

[lost canyon]

What does SSO and OD mean? Sorry ^^;

[grim tusk]

that too

[oblique birch]

Wow

[grim tusk]

Sunken Sea Overhaul
Old Duke

[lost canyon]

I just use the electrician's gloves because the wiki had them

Ah okay

[grim tusk]

Electrician’s glove used to work well in the past, now not so much

utterly outclassed by RtN now

[frail fox]

Rogue accessory building is a nightmare so don’t worry about it

[misty lichen]

gop isn’t outclassed at any point of the game lmao

[grim tusk]

it is tho

its viable until around DoG

then the opportunity cost hits like a truck

[lost canyon]

Me when I have to choose between hardmode accessory and the sponge

[grim tusk]

and its only usable til DoG cuz before Extorter was taking its place and that got gutted

same for Electrician’s glove which used to be way stronger

[frail fox]

Pretty normal offensive accessory progression

[grim tusk]

also dw GoP is getting hit next patch

[lost canyon]

What's RtN btw?

[grim tusk]

and then again in rogue update (UseTimeFactor fuckin dying)

[lost canyon]

gotcha

[grim tusk]

Reaper tooth necklace

[lost canyon]

Thanks thanks

[misty lichen]

ignoring defensive accessories it’s never outclassed

[grim tusk]

due to UseTimeFactor and stealth ignoring its downside

its a double win for stealth

[misty lichen]

it’s straight better than every rogue offensive accessory other than emirror and nanotech

[grim tusk]

which again is why its being nerfed

and it only became third best rogue acc cuz everything else was nerfed but not GoP

[lost canyon]

Well, that's fine. I have another rogue suggestion that I'll submit in a couple of days

Thanks for all the feedback though

[lethal bridge]

having more stealth based rogue would 100% be better, bro is spitting

[humble scarab]

Nah

Only for people who doesnt want to try different things

Spam is a nice thing to use sometimes

[lost canyon]

Rogue weapons shouldn't be better spammed than using their stealth strike variant. One is harder to get value out of than the other

But yes

Spam is a good thing

[humble scarab]

With spam some weapons forces you to be close

[lost canyon]

How so?

[lethal bridge]

yeah, the spam can work and function but it shouldent take over the main function of the class, the function that it was built on

[lost canyon]

Usually rogue weapons have the same range whether spamming or using stealth strikes

[humble scarab]

Nvm

[lost canyon]

Is there an outlier weapon?

[lethal bridge]

off the top of my head the crystaline has better range, theres some more out there but generally those are outliers

[lost canyon]

Crystaline has worse range when spammed?

[lethal bridge]

yeah, i ment with stealth

im saying that generally stealth and non stealth have relative range but there are some outliers

[lost canyon]

That's what I figured

[indigo yacht]

if calamity didn't already have some accessories intentionally geared towards spamming i would agree with this

but since it does it adds some actual nuance to what would otherwise be a range clone

I don't think there's anything wrong with having certain weapons that still perform well while being easier than other options

[indigo yacht]

@wet ruin please read the suggestions document in pins/channel description

also i should probably mention that cryogen, brimmy, aquatic scourge, and any of the three mechs can be done in any order

cryogen being "first" is arbitrary

doing it last is also acceptable progression

[wet ruin]

I'm aware about the order but isn't it goofy that cryonic ore requires a cryonic pickaxe to mine?

So the earliest you can do it is after mech 2 if you want to reap the rewards

[indigo yacht]

eh

i don't see a problem with it

killing cryogen already gives you access to all the boss drops and permafrost

it's still often worth doing before two mechs

[indigo yacht]

i don't think this is
something you can make a suggestion about??

then again there have been suggestions about things that also fell under grey areas before that were allowed

regardless of validity this suggestion is more than 600 characters over the character limit

[tepid crown]

auric tier patreons get early access to certain stuff ingame

for example, doze was talking about in cst making a build with the dog changes planned for sso

[wet ruin]

Ok well not really something worth fighting for. Just assumed it was gated for some stupid fabsol reason but I guess that's the intention

[gritty plaza]

they don't release the update cause it's not finished yet

why would they release an unfinished probably still super buggy version?

[oblique birch]

Isn't Cryonic gear the same tier with Titanium/Adamantite

[wet ruin]

It's 1 tier higher

[oblique birch]

That's why it need a tier 2 pickaxe to mine

[wet ruin]

Mythril can be mined with cobalt axe

Ada with mythril

Cryonic with ada

[oblique birch]

It need Ada/Titan pickaxe?

[wet ruin]

Yeah and the pickaxe it yields is only ada tier

[gritty plaza]

oh wait you were talking about the other sugg

[wet ruin]

You need an ada forge to smelt it into bars regardless

[oblique birch]

That's stupid

[gritty plaza]

i think when elsi said "not something you can make a suggestion about" they meant the "post beta updates" one not the cryonic ore one

[oblique birch]

Bring down the mining power required

Cryo Slime spawns after Mech 2 is down

[wet ruin]

Well you could farm the slimes for the ore but again need ada forge

It's fine if the pickaxe made with cryo is same tier as the one with hallowed imo

But I'm not going to go to war about any of this and don't want to argue with people. Seemed like a silly oversight that never got fixed

[oblique birch]

Wait no

What?

Mech 2 down means you get access to Ada/Titan

[wet ruin]

Yeah

[oblique birch]

So you can go for Cryonic already

[wet ruin]

Yes if you have 2 mechs down you can use everything, however the pickaxe is worthless

[oblique birch]

Why worthless

[wet ruin]

You need titanium or adamantium to mine the ore. +180% power, why would you craft a cryonic one with also 180% power, does nothing extra

[gritty plaza]

also a titanium pick is literally faster lmao

7 tool speed rather than 8

(you want lower numbers iirc)

wait no you don't

so a cryo pick is slightly faster

[oblique birch]

Ye, slighty faster

Like with Chlorophyte pickaxe

Vs. Pickaxe Axe

I mean it's instagrade

But like Cryonic tools are kinda ancient, I don't think they're gonna keep them when Cryonic get reworked

Likely just remnant of the past

[wet ruin]

The timing of the boss just makes things awkward to deal with. You can kill ravager to get scoria bars, then craft the pickaxe there to then mine the scoria in the abyss

That effectively bypasses golem (and also plantera)

[oblique birch]

Ye because, you skip progression to Ravager

That's what Calamity wants, non-linear progression

[wet ruin]

But were you to acquire the cryonic ore you can't do anything with it without the forge

Could still get the bars from ravager if somehow things ended up like that

[oblique birch]

You want Cryonic to be usable when you successfully skip to Ravager? Is that what you're saying

[wet ruin]

I think either it should be usable upon generation into the world (like every other ore) or the pickaxe should be able to mine chloro

It's the only ore you can't use upon killing the boss unless you did a series of other bosses (outside of crazy skips of course)

I find that odd but maybe it's just me

[tepid crown]

u do

[oblique birch]

Cryonic is the same tier as Ada/Titan, it shouldn't be able to mine Chrolo, and the Cryonic pickaxe power requirement is just kinda in an unfortunate situation right now

[tepid crown]

tool speed is measured in frames

[gritty plaza]

oh

me when i spread misinformation online

[tepid crown]

so cryonic pick takes 8 frames to lower a tiles durability

[gritty plaza]

so the cryo pick literally has no reason to use it at all

[oblique birch]

It's not intuitive to kill Cryogen as first HM boss then find out that you can't mine Cryonic

[tepid crown]

iirc it has +1 range

which the ada/tit ones dont

[gritty plaza]

oh wow range

so useful

/s

[tepid crown]

mhm

[oblique birch]

Same thing can be say to Chlorophyte Pickaxe, just old outdated design that is still there

[tepid crown]

so useful at the tier where your strong enough to hold youre own against the world

[gritty plaza]

yeah chloro pick is

It has the exact same mining speed as the Pickaxe Axe with its only advantage being the +1 range.

As Chlorophyte is a highly contested resource and the Chlorophyte pickaxe cannot be used as an axe, it is usually not worth crafting this item.

hilarious

[wet ruin]

I think it only exists because the pickaxe axe has the tree cutting effect so it's an alternative if you don't want that

But yeah chloro is pretty bad in general

The set itself is almost never crafted in my games

[tepid crown]

chloro when it has uhh

bad weapons

useless tools

and an alright set of armour

[wet ruin]

It is an exception. You need hallowed pick to get chloro, then chloro doesn't have higher power

[tiny minnow]

I’m kinda surprised my suggestion made it to voting

[oblique birch]

I'll just wait until the Cryonic rework to see what they'll do with the set tbh

[tepid crown]

its not like every bar needing a set of tools is even followed in calamity

auric doesnt have any tools

uelibloom only has a pickaxe and rod

[oblique birch]

likely just getting removed as a whole

Cryonic/Perennial/Scoria tools

[gritty plaza]

auric deserves tools

let me have my auric hammer

[indigo yacht]

i wasn't talking about your suggestion, i was talking about the one following it

anyways i think the cryonic one is an SRS now, unsure

[dire shore]

cryonic ore one is dumb

but yeah its kinda weird he spawns the ore but then you cant mine it

[plush flame]

chlorophyte

[drowsy plank]

actually yeah

wait when does chloro actually gen

right

[remote maple]

Always I think

[drowsy plank]

it is at the start of hardmode

i couldnt remember if it was post 3 mechs or not

[gilded citrus]

Start of hardmode yeah

[drowsy plank]

@wet ruin flagging the sugg just for the factual inaccuracy, as WoF generates chlorophyte ore but you cant mine it until all mechs have been defeated

funnily there was a suggestion to make wof generate cryonic ore as well but it got shot down for being too intensive to do with all the other hardmode worldgen changes or smthn

honestly though cryo itself should just become a post-mech2 boss or smthn himself because having his bag drops and his ore drops and perma's shop has always been a sore spot of overloading ice weapons onto the player

[frail fox]

Ice purge eventually tm

[drowsy plank]

it's so funny how we get three groups of ice weapons and none of them use cryo cores

meanwhile sand ele gets an entire goddamn weapon set using forbidden fragments

[crude geode]

Sand is cooler than the 500 ice weapons in this game

(Ignore dust generator 9000)

[gritty plaza]

sand gun best

[gritty plaza]

good sugg

no notes

[misty lichen]

bad sugg

no notes

[indigo yacht]

suggestion

no notes

[crude geode]

Ambiguous sugg

many notes

[fleet grotto]

this is old calamity

brimmy DEFINITELY doesn't lock suevite considering you need it to kill her
im 90% desert scourge doesn't lock mining in the sunken sea anymore, just drops and giant clam spawns

this isn't relevant to the suggestion really

[glass arch]

yeah

cog

actively said that

in ages past brimmy did lock suevite mining iirc

cog is using those as precedent for making deus not hard lock astral ore

[frail fox]

Lots to be said about Deus, maybe

[indigo yacht]

This would be both intuitive and consistent with how vanilla handles it, and if you've defeated Moon Lord or later bosses, Astrum Deus would be nothing to beat, so the lock makes no sense.

❓

[drowsy plank]

the lock effectively seems to exist to stop you from mining astral without beating deus

not sure what's so hard to get about that

[indigo yacht]

i know but this sentence is confusing

i don't understand what it's supposed to be saying

[half imp]

make deus drop an astral chisel that does +15% mining power

Clearly

[golden sonnet]

Mining power is generally flat, making it % seems problematic

[half imp]

Uh

Pickaxe power is measured in %

Molten is 100% pickaxe power

Picksaw is 215%

[golden sonnet]

Oh, I thought you meant like a multiplier

I see

[half imp]

yea

1.15x pick power would be very silly

[crude geode]

Pickaxe power being “percent based” is truly one of the holdovers of all time

and baffling things

[half imp]

At least it has like

[golden sonnet]

Crystyl crusher now 1150

[half imp]

A guideline that makes sense

axe power and hammer power...

[half imp]

1 stone block = 100% pick power in HP

Best pick in prehardmode = 100% pick power

I have no idea what the metric for axe or hammer is

[crude geode]

True

[half imp]

also the fact that they also have no real importance

Axe of regrowth being 150% axe...

[drowsy plank]

@twilit plank this is mostly just a bunch of specific item suggestions in a trenchcoat; if you want improvements to rogue accessories you should be focusing on why, not how

regardless im pretty sure a bunch of these have already been reworked anyway

[twilit plank]

it's more so just trying to bring light to the fact that alot of early accessories get neglect

[drowsy plank]

well, no, you give very specific explinations on what the upgrades should be, if it was that, that would be fine, but you dont explain why/how they are neglected and why that matters

[frail fox]

Sand cloak won’t be rogue next update and Rotten Dogtooth will go into Vamp Talisman next update too

[drowsy plank]

you just explain the upgrades you want and how they would work/be made

[twilit plank]

I'll rewrite my suggestion

[frail fox]

Also adding upgrades to accessories isn’t solving the issue, it’s making it worse even, as rogue has too many accessories

[drowsy plank]

ture

[whole tundra]

It would still conflict with future plans

[twilit plank]

which unfortunately is then all mushed into the nanotech

[whole tundra]

And yeah, Rogue accessory bloat

[twilit plank]

rogue accessory bloat whilst also not being bloated, due to certain accessories being clearly dominant over others

[drowsy plank]

no

no that's still just accessory bloat

[frail fox]

If certain accessories are too weak/strong then it’s a balance issue at that point

[drowsy plank]

like you realize that is the reason accessory bloat is even a problem right
if rogue just had a ton of good, equally viable accessories, that isn't bloat

[twilit plank]

I feel a lot of rogue accessories are lost in the crowd, like scutters jewel

[drowsy plank]

yes

because the amount of rogue accessories is bloated

[twilit plank]

electrians glove shouldn't be apart of nano tech, I feel like if it had a post storm weaver upgrade it would be more fitting

[drowsy plank]

there are too many so only the best are actually used and the rest are neglected by players and devs alike

because no one uses them

[twilit plank]

yeah

cog if only I had the brain power you had

[frail fox]

Eglove is likely to get reworked into a non-rogue accessory later yeah

[twilit plank]

i don't know how to word my frustrations with the accessories

[frail fox]

Most true rogue sentence ever

[twilit plank]

electrians glove, moonstone crown, scutters jewel, rotten dog tooth, blunder booster, sand cloak, gloves of precision and recklessness

all these accessories I feel like should have reworks or just different upgrade paths

feather crown - moonstone crown is inherently a lazy upgrade

and it's too niche for use

but I don't know to word that way it should be changed

the rogue accessories are lost in a crowd and too easily overshadowed, and certain simple reworks to the way they are crafted, bought or presented could bring light and opportunity for use.

[misty lichen]

gif

[twilit plank]

Abysal mirror is post golem all the way to post DOG

[misty lichen]

yeah

[twilit plank]

that's an insane range for upgrade

[misty lichen]

rogue just needs 70% of its accessories axed

[keen zodiac]

rouge class 💔

[whole tundra]

Moonstone Crown gif

[misty lichen]

even if theyre technically different in usage nobody sees them that way

[frail fox]

Sand Cloak, Eglove, Feather/Moonstone Crown, and Corrosive Spine will all stop being rogue accessories next update/in future updates
Rotten Dogtooth + Raider's Talisman will combine with Vampiric Talisman next update
Blunder Booster will go into Nanotech eventually
A few things to note that aren't out yet

[twilit plank]

i don't think 80%, I believe they just need to have more than "stealth strike does this, regenerate stealth does that"

[misty lichen]

glove of precision, abyssal mirror, electricians glove, whatever, are all just damage increases to only stealth strikes. theres technically differences but in gameplay usage thats all they do

you dont need to have all of them

[twilit plank]

I don't even mind electrians glove staying as rogue, it just needs to have a controlled upgrade tree

[frail fox]

Well I'm just restating what devs have said about it before

[twilit plank]

it suddenly stops at mythril and is then never elaborated on again

[misty lichen]

bloodstained/filthy gloves arent surviving the winter either

[frail fox]

Oh right that

Post-evil1 spam gloves

[whole tundra]

Not every upgrade tree needs to last forever

The mod would just be a grind hell if they all did

[drowsy plank]

that's the same length as literally every other class emblem that is probably one of the least offensive

[misty lichen]

like silencing sheath, bloodstained/filthy glove, feather crown, mirage mirror. all in usage are just stealth damage increases and are extremely close to eachother in tiering

[twilit plank]

scutters jewel with a crystal shard upgrade would allow a small bridge between pre mech bosses and later upgrades, something so simple that allows the big bridge between no rogue weapons and suddenly 30 of them

[twilit plank]

and that's another problem almost in of its self

[drowsy plank]

that is not a problem you dont need a new emblem upgrade every tier

what would they even do

[frail fox]

+20% instead of 15

[twilit plank]

that's one of the issues

golem to dog is a large portion of the game, but there's no room for an upgrade in between

[drowsy plank]

so there is no issue then

we need more dynamo stem cells not more emblem upgrades

[oblique birch]

🤨 ?

[frail fox]

Well there could be an upgrade when there's actual content but that doesn't really need to exist

[twilit plank]

I don't know how to explain it

[whole tundra]

You mean Blunder Booster?

[misty lichen]

i get what they mean i think

[whole tundra]

Idk I never use Dynamo Stem Cells

[misty lichen]

but its a whole different issue not really related

[drowsy plank]

blunder booster too sure, but i was saying if you want another damage accessory, something like dynamo with a unique, generally useful effect is better than just trying to cram in "Emblem But Now It Does 16% Instead of 15%"

[frail fox]

Accessory that does something

[twilit plank]

yeah

the issue with rogue accessories, is there's not a sense of spacing between upgrades

[misty lichen]

true i guess

[drowsy plank]

with a bunch of them becoming all class and (hopefully) some of them dying that should probably help alleviate that issue

[misty lichen]

id rather think less things should upgrade instead of more

[twilit plank]

Silencing sheath as an example

[crude geode]

Agreed

[twilit plank]

yeah

[misty lichen]

not really any reason to just throw in all of the bullshit prehardmode/early hardmode items into nanotech for example

[twilit plank]

I mean silencing sheath is post evil boss, and then suddenly post lunatic cultist

thats completely random spacing

[twilit plank]

yes

why is that

why is that so accurate

[drowsy plank]

the nefarious drunk princess:

[frail fox]

Pre-boss accessory in nanotech 🔥

[idle dagger]

I knew about the rest but I didn’t know electricians’ glove was becoming all class

[frail fox]

At least that's dying

[drowsy plank]

add shackle

[frail fox]

I agree

[twilit plank]

Me when my raiders talisman suddenly becomes the nanotech:

[idle dagger]

well

[twilit plank]

My pre boss accessory suddenly becoming post DOG

[drowsy plank]

god please let mana cuff buffs be real i beg

[idle dagger]

There is talk about vampiric into nanotech

After it’s changed into a raider’s upgrade

[frail fox]

Nanotech is the penultimate "everything wrong with rogue" accessory

[idle dagger]

Not confirmed though, I forget which dev said it in this channel but it was said here that it was being considered

[misty lichen]

imagine if shackle was just in the recipe for rempart of deities

[twilit plank]

nanotech takes whatever they had left, and smooshes it together

[misty lichen]

just chilling

[frail fox]

Thank you pre-boss effect

[drowsy plank]

it's so funny i still haven't played rogue once

[idle dagger]

I wish there was a recipe for combining 100 shackles into an ultrashackle

Have you really not??

That’s kind of hilarious

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[misty lichen]

save urself

[drowsy plank]

it's cause of shit like this i just never bothered getting into the class

the same way ive played every class but spy in tf2 it's like

okay sure i could play the more complex class to do worse damage and spend more time thinking about every little decision

[idle dagger]

Shacklemail armour 🔥

[drowsy plank]

or i could not do that

[twilit plank]

rogues accesories feel like you are wandering through a forest, except all you see are abysal mirrors and gloves

Because that's all you get

[idle dagger]

I liked the boosters when I played rogue

[drowsy plank]

forest of gloves and mirrors.,.,.,.

[frail fox]

House of mirrors

[idle dagger]

Feather crown I never felt like using

[twilit plank]

rogue in a nutshell

[frail fox]

Good

[idle dagger]

I liked silencing sheathe

[misty lichen]

feather crown is a top 5 useless accessory rn

[frail fox]

Feather crown is so bad

[drowsy plank]

have they still not switched the feathers to aerialite armor feathers

[frail fox]

Could've just had homing like the armor but no

[severe sparrow]

they had to be special

and not home

[misty lichen]

dont worry they added a 4x velocity multiplier!!!!!!!!!

[severe sparrow]

makes them wildly inconsistent in actually damaging things

[drowsy plank]

it's so funny that rusty medallion got homing before feather crown

[twilit plank]

mirage mirror turning into abysal mirror, just combine the stuff you get from the abyss 🔥

[misty lichen]

we ALL are stacking feather crown with moonstone 🔥

[frail fox]

We did it patrick, we saved the accessory

[frail fox]

Sob

[misty lichen]

yea turns out it doesnt matter if it does 15 or 25 or 100 damage

if they never hit they never hit

[frail fox]

Feather Crown is a sleeper agent for Thanatos

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure boulder statue is a sleeper agent for thanatos at this point

[twilit plank]

Most useful abysal mirror change

[severe sparrow]

mmm yes

what about yharim crystal

[frail fox]

"We have to add sea prisims to shit to make them more important" update

[drowsy plank]

fuck last prism 3

[idle dagger]

I’m starting a vanilla terraria playthrough with some friends this Thursday, one of which has never played it before (point of the run to show them the game)

While calamity is kind of lacking in ranger accessories I remembered all the cool ranger accessories I get access to in vanilla, especially pre hard mode 😀😀😀

[severe sparrow]

wrong place

[drowsy plank]

LOL

[frail fox]

Some would say 1.5.1 was the very first part of SSO

[drowsy plank]

im still not over magic quiver

[severe sparrow]

i really want yharim crystal to be more unique

but

[drowsy plank]

how the fuck did red make such a dogshit accessory

[severe sparrow]

what does it even do

[errant wren]

can we get ordinary quiver

[idle dagger]

Calamity is adding more accessories for rangers in SSO right

[misty lichen]

HOLY

[severe sparrow]

absolutely

[idle dagger]

I think the uh acid rain one is getting changed to be someone

[twilit plank]

"what if we added spectre bars to make this crafting tree make less sense"

[misty lichen]

THIS IS ONLY ITEMS THAT START WITH A

[drowsy plank]

btw

that 10% damage

[severe sparrow]

that

[drowsy plank]

only applies to bows

not the ammo as well

[severe sparrow]

bruh

isnt ammo like 30% of the damage

[drowsy plank]

which makes it worse than literally every generic damage up in the game 👍

[frail fox]

Certainly wasn't lying

[severe sparrow]

literally the only thing about it that helps bows is its velocity increase

[idle dagger]

Oh my god is it seriously only bows

[drowsy plank]

YES

[severe sparrow]

bruh

[idle dagger]

calamity made it all ranged right

[drowsy plank]

IT'S WORSE THAN FUCKING AVENGER EMBLEM

[frail fox]

Mollusk Husks too btw

[idle dagger]

I literally thought it was all ranged in vanilla too what

[drowsy plank]

no lmao
unless you count elemental quiver i guess

[severe sparrow]

buh

[misty lichen]

the doubled arrow velocity is obviously the main effect lmao

[drowsy plank]

you wanna know what calamity does

[severe sparrow]

just make it buff RANGER damage

NOT BOW

AND MAKE IT AFFECT AMMO

[idle dagger]

oh huh

[drowsy plank]

i mean yeah but honestly i dont even know what bows it would be good on like ranger weapons are already so good

[drowsy plank]

calamity actually nerfs it

[idle dagger]

I do remember that

Incentivized to go get putrid scent

Awesome!!!

[errant wren]

WHY

[twilit plank]

This definitely changed glove of recklessness forever

[severe sparrow]

doesnt give it a buff?

in return?

[drowsy plank]

so we can have the quiver be an upgrade line with molten quiver

[severe sparrow]

why
it already is dogcrap

[drowsy plank]

and the uh

other one which has the normal stats

[idle dagger]

Stalker’s

[misty lichen]

stealth gen on gor 😭

[drowsy plank]

stalker quiver yeah

[severe sparrow]

why the need to nerf it further

[misty lichen]

game design

[twilit plank]

putrid scent upgrade 🔥

[idle dagger]

Both sniper scope and quiver’s upgrades have nerfed damage so that putrid scent upgrade does something in singler player, I believe

[drowsy plank]

i mean conceptually i understand wanting to incentivize getting the upgrades for the item but like

[severe sparrow]

bruh why does every PS upgrade in vanilla forget that 5% crit chance exists

[drowsy plank]

did anyone even test it before doing that

[twilit plank]

Am I tripping or does that say "changed glove of precision to glove of precision

they just changed Of to of

[grizzled dome]

the O is no longer capitalized

[severe sparrow]

thats just getting the grammer right

[idle dagger]

I should suggest an all class defensive accessory upgrade to putrid scent like Hero’s Shield is again because putrid scent feels rather mediocre but maybe the 5 crit is really good actually

I mean it’s conceptually cool in multiplayer so

[misty lichen]

5 dmg 5 crit is fine

[idle dagger]

Is it 5 damage or 5 crit

[twilit plank]

what is it with calamity devs and the rogue class getting buffs/nerfs in variables of 1% and 3%

[misty lichen]

its both

[idle dagger]

Oh it’s both

Okay that’s better than I remembered

[drowsy plank]

it's the okayest accessory of all time

[severe sparrow]

perfectly stated

[twilit plank]

like what

[frail fox]

Rogue history is a trip

[idle dagger]

I like the utility hero’s shield has in multiplayer and I have suggested an upgrade to it a few times and I most likely will again

[misty lichen]

@grim tusk

[twilit plank]

so we went from +3% to +1% to -2%

[frail fox]

Don't look at Malachite's change history

[twilit plank]

I'm going to look

[north oracle]

I'm making glove of precision give 4% projectile velocity

[drowsy plank]

maybe with the ravager rework

[idle dagger]

That’s what I’m hoping

[drowsy plank]

can you make it give 3% fishing power too

[idle dagger]

Would be a really good spot for it

[north oracle]

Ok!

[grim tusk]

rogue is quite the volatile class, especially with acessories and stealth magnifying it

[severe sparrow]

what the actual f--k is that changelog

[misty lichen]

the more its changed the more volatile it gets

[north oracle]

Rogue rebalance save us all

[severe sparrow]

so much of it is just extremely tiny damage changes

[twilit plank]

changes more than the wind

[frail fox]

Rogue 2 damage nerfs vs just capping the goddamn projectiles

[grim tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/ehe-anime-gif-anime-girl-teehee-gif-27178660

[twilit plank]

but honest, is 1% that meta breaking

[severe sparrow]

what the actual hell
why did it do this

[grim tusk]

meanwhile a not so big buff making Malachite broken til DoG

[severe sparrow]

this thing used to SCALE????

[frail fox]

Legendary weapons

[keen zodiac]

f*bsol

[drowsy plank]

borderlands

[severe sparrow]

garbage mechanic imo

[frail fox]

Yes

[drowsy plank]

no you dont understand funny borderlands reference means this is good actually

[severe sparrow]

making a weapon drop from every enemy with an absurd drop rate isnt "balance"

[frail fox]

Oh my god that one

[twilit plank]

seems like nano flare was not allowed 125

[severe sparrow]

its just bulls--t

[frail fox]

I was trying to find it but forgot what it was on

[drowsy plank]

wdym you dont want to kill boss 100 billion million times for okayest item in the game

[twilit plank]

and was condemned back to 120

[misty lichen]

somebodyyy only tested it on cultist

:walt:

[grim tusk]

PBG and Cultist

[twilit plank]

I love my double damage malachite

[grim tusk]

and Rav

when Rav took far less dmg for no reason

[severe sparrow]

fabsolian design

[frail fox]

Marksman bow getting a buff because somebody 100% only tested the convert on golem only

[severe sparrow]

thank goodness that got booted a long time ago

[severe sparrow]

i dont know a soul who uses that thing

[twilit plank]

I found another

[grim tusk]

now Malachite is in a still bad spot due to people feeling its a must have due to lack of homing options

[misty lichen]

bad narrow view testing system has problems yada yada

[twilit plank]

this one is fair though

[frail fox]

Ink bomb

aware

[twilit plank]

20-25 second cool down is actually a big increase.

[grim tusk]

ink bomb is getting reworked (im not responsible for it)

[frail fox]

Not really a rework I think

Unless Sunny did more

[grim tusk]

i remember when you could yeet yourself into Destoryer and blow it the fuck up

[grim tusk]

she did

[grim tusk]

EoL rogue drop coming in (no clue)

[severe sparrow]

yes
please
cant wait

[frail fox]

Post-Golem rogue with it's 3 weapons

[severe sparrow]

that girl drops NOTHING for Calamity

[misty lichen]

i think it would be cool if reworked rogue just didnt have homing weapons

[severe sparrow]

same with QS

[drowsy plank]

they could make marksman bow do integer limit damage and it still would not get me to use it

[grim tusk]

See: Dynamic Pursuer when it was bugged

[drowsy plank]

lo

[grim tusk]

no one fucking used it

[misty lichen]

when?

[frail fox]

Nobody should use it anyway

[grim tusk]

despite dealing infinite dmg if the projectile lingered long enough (and lagged the game to hell)

[misty lichen]

thing barely works now

[frail fox]

Because it’s Dynamic Pursuer

[misty lichen]

also dynamic pursuer breaks abom in dlc in fucking half

[twilit plank]

I remember when Eldritch soul gave 15% rogue damage

[misty lichen]

and is nearly useless against regular cal bosses

bc the random property where it starts dealing way more damage than normal activates on only stationary targets

[grim tusk]

did someone else nerf it?

i remember it being strong as hell after I made the stealth not dogshit and buggy

[severe sparrow]

what do you mean

[grim tusk]

boomerang would stand still sometimes and then start firing lasers every time faster

[severe sparrow]

yeah i agree
i dont know a soul who hasnt used this weapon other than as a meme

[severe sparrow]

and that exponentially made it do big damage

[grim tusk]

and lag the game to a crawl

[twilit plank]

I still remember the day clockwork bow got reworked

incredible day that was

[severe sparrow]

it prob made even the best PCs cry for mercy

[grim tusk]

i can see what I can come up with for her

[severe sparrow]

ohhhh i wanna hear it

[frail fox]

QS now readds bouncy spiky ball

[twilit plank]

post lunatic cultist rogue with it's 2 weapons

[grim tusk]

Pumkin Moon is tbd between 2 picks
Frost moon has an idea iirc
EoL is decided

[twilit plank]

Star of destruction my beloved (please don't nerf it)

[grim tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/heathcliff-lament-mourn-and-despair-lament-mourn-despair-gif-17314462429222061937

[grim tusk]

reworked

already teased iirc

or in Patreon at least

[twilit plank]

is it a good rework :3

[frail fox]

It’s public yes

[twilit plank]

I haven't seen it

[frail fox]

I’d send it but this is the suggestion channel

[twilit plank]

dms?

[frail fox]

Sure

[severe sparrow]

DM me, i am dying to know

[frail fox]

Actually I’ll just post it in spoiler talk because they aren’t talking about anything important there

[severe sparrow]

okie dokie

[misty lichen]

it still does this it just lags less

[grim tusk]

and has a limit

unlike before

[grim tusk]

wait wydm it stays still?

pretty sure i fixed that years ago

[misty lichen]

no its when it randomly decides to bounce on the same target continuously and deal 5x dps

because when it "bounces" to targets that arent the original target its 50x slower for some reason

[grim tusk]

thats intended for when there is nothing nearby (except the x5 dps)

[grim tusk]

huh did it bug out again?

imma take a look when i can

[indigo yacht]

@peak umbra https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/1277192135640088586

this channel isnt for wiki suggestions

[peak umbra]

thanks

[leaden ibex]

unfortunately now it isn't good even on pbg🥀

being a drop from a boss and being bad at killing this said boss must be humiliating

[thorn dock]

@versed badge thats an exclamation mark. Looks quite interesting still

[indigo yacht]

specific item suggestion, and also what

[river lily]

specific item suggestion ayup

[indigo yacht]

solve vanilla problems part 30

i would be lying if i said this didn't annoy me but i also don't think it's something calamity should change

[fleet grotto]

the solution is calamity making it infinite

[indigo yacht]

🥀

[fleet grotto]

hi supreme tackle box fishing station

whatever you're called

it doesn't matter

[indigo yacht]

i think they stack still

[fleet grotto]

what about with enchanted pearl

[indigo yacht]

i forgot that accessory existed

[olive saddle]

this isnt even an issue

woe is me... its 4 minutes instead of 8 😱

i have to press the button twice and they aren't synced!

the effect is strong enough anyways which is why its 4 minutes

it used to be 3 but its 4 to sync up with the other fishing potions, it shouldn't be 8

[gritty plaza]

if you have an active buff and hit quick buff does it consume another potion?

[thorn dock]

Uhm okay .. it would be way more practical if adjusted but okay

[olive saddle]

no

which is why i said its unsynced

[olive saddle]

i disagree. unless the cost is doubled then i don't really see a point. its a fine duration as is

[gritty plaza]

cost doesn't matter tho

i have never crafted a fishing potion i just grind deser scourge

[thorn dock]

Same

[olive saddle]

resource checks should still be a resource check yes? you still have a limited amount

also that kinda sounds like a problem with ds and not crate potions being 4 minutes

actually yea that directly is a problem with ds dropping fishing potions

so ds shouldnt drop it to begin with

[thorn dock]

Well 4 minutes is really short for a Task like fishing that often takes very long for desired items

[olive saddle]

eh? a majority of desired items arent crates i dont thijk

some are but i think most aren't

isnt the chance increase like +50% now

if yes then 4 mins is fine

[thorn dock]

For example hydrothermal crate holds reaper tooth .. even with high fishing pwr, crate potion and acc support it usually takes 1hr+ to get the teeth for omega blue if the mats are aquired by fishing

[olive saddle]

i uh... dont know how to tell this to you but getting the teeth directly is like 10 minutes max most of the time

directly as in diving in

the teeth are likely that low of a chance to incentivize you to go in and rip them off directly

[thorn dock]

I m soley saying that the crate pot duration is quite low

[drowsy plank]

4 minutes is about average length for a potion tbf

actually this gives me a thought

[indigo yacht]

i disagree

4 minutes for a crate potion is fine

unless you're grinding crates you'll only need like 2-3 max to get what you want

most items are like this

potions too do not require much time

i usually fish for like a full fishing potion for potion fish and get around 50-60 with alluring bait

[twilit plank]

rip them off directly is certainly a way to describe that

[obsidian nova]

Sounds pretty cool!

Also, the two sides of this community

(Speaking of, I think the furniture items could be analogous to the red and black versions of master/rev mode relics (if they aren't that already ) and vanity items/pets could be similar to the master mode pets from Vanities)

[drowsy plank]

that's just infernum relics

[obsidian nova]

Oh, okay

[glass arch]

i mean no

ones asking for it to not bully you when you stop and ones asking to make there be an actual reason to play it

[gritty plaza]

Cog out here spamming the good suggestions

[tiny minnow]

Agreed

[errant wren]

cog has what most cal players some people lack; cognitive abilities

[tiny minnow]

Hence the name

[novel belfry]

ayo

i like that

why, thats very good

[novel belfry]

hot take time

[indigo yacht]

i could have sworn there was already a suggestion like this

oh there it was
#suggestions-voting message

[novel belfry]

oyeah

😭

[indigo yacht]

i like the murasama but i don't think it being an mgrr is core to its identity

shut up

[novel belfry]

@drowsy plank

wtf

was that

easy shutdown, just have someone else randomly barge into the convo with the most confusing spam post yet

i didnt even see all of it

i only recall the first image being of mrbeast's... instagram page?

[indigo yacht]

mr breast

[errant wren]

obviously we rename murasama to red buster

[keen zodiac]

🔥

[novel belfry]

Red Muramasa

[gritty plaza]

Make murasama yellow

[tardy geyser]

Make it statis' sword, found in the distortion

[idle dagger]

While I love that it’s the iconic sword and renaming it feels a bit wrong…

If it was a less blatant reference it could actually be added into the lore officially

[novel belfry]

i was actually thinking about adding that into my sugg

[gilded citrus]

How would they explain random post dog sword veing in draedons lava chests

[novel belfry]

i mean

there... ACTUALLY WAS MURASAMA LORE pre-lore rework

[idle dagger]

Draedon made it and perhaps it’s set to unlock on Draedon’s command
Upon seeing you beat the Devourer he deems letting you use it a good idea for his studies

Something like that

I dunno, I’m not a writer

[novel belfry]

A blade completely inundated with my surroundings during the time of its creation. It was tempered by the fires which are fueled by spirits, and formed in the magma I draw into my laboratories. Its cutting edge, unparalleled, though its reach is limited making general usage questionable. I would consider it my very first foray into work for the sake of craftsmanship and art. If I was born synthetically, any creation which leads one to question whether I was, is a creation I may be proud of. It shows that I can after all, be graced by a muse.

i actually dig this a lot

the idea of a sword made from azafurian lava and souls sounds genuinely cool

[fleet grotto]

Phaseslayer is being removed and it's a beta Murasama iirc, Murasama could very easily just steal that name

[deep cape]

I think the fact almost none of the Calamity furniture sets have toilets is really dumb actually but I do not know how to phrase “add more toilets please” without it sounding like a joke suggestion

[serene tendon]

"Giving furniture sets toilets is a very... unique decision on the part of Re-Logic. Nevertheless, every vanilla furniture set has them, even when it would be absolutely awful to have a toilet made from it (as is the case with cactus and honey). It is inconsistent for Calamity not to follow this trend, and the only other way to resolve the inconsistency is for Calamity to remove vanilla items, which obviously isn't going to happen. For this reason I suggest adding toilets for Calamity furniture sets."

[drowsy plank]

istg im gonna make a gif that's just a part of the robot hell song but the caption is spriter hell instead

[deep cape]

I know the mod is going for a more serious tone than the base game but stuff like this feels like it’s trying too hard

Yeah that’s good

Can I use that as a baseline for my suggestion

[serene tendon]

You can just copy and paste or whatever if you want, I don't mind somebody plagarizing what I say about video game toilets

[deep cape]

Thank you

[serene tendon]

👍

[deep cape]

There are literally no Calamity original toilets between Wulfrum toilet and Auric toilet

[drowsy plank]

calamity's existing furniture sets are missing more important furniture parts than toilets and it is entirely because nobody wants to make the sprites for them lmao

[serene tendon]

LOL

[north oracle]

I'm going to get you kicked out of the calamity mod discord for academic dishonesty in suggestion-posting

[deep cape]

The latter uses chairs in its crafting recipe due to toilets not existing

[novel belfry]

honestly if rethemed to be similar to the old phaseslayer, it'd work

hell, the phaseslayer's technically a reference to doom, but it works out because its not a direct one-to-one reference, plus it references a vanilla line too

[olive saddle]

i hope its not american simulator 9000 if it does get rethemed because id rather not spend $100,000 for an ambulance ride because i tried to use phaseslayer for two minutes and got spontaneous arthritis

[novel belfry]

it obviously wouldnt be

[distant gyro]

i made those potions last 8 minutes some many months ago when i added drink particles to them

@drowsy plank hii

[drowsy plank]

oh lmao fr?

cool

[distant gyro]

this does not include vanilla potions however

[drowsy plank]

💥

oh my god mod notifs is offline

it didnt save that

thank god i had it saved in notepad++

[distant gyro]

oops

[drowsy plank]

there

[errant wren]

lmao

i was asleep but i know exactly what happened in the last few minutes

[idle dagger]

am I losing my mind or was this not posted earlier by cog

[drowsy plank]

i deleted it because altix said they did it and then said they didnt do it for vanilla potions which was the main focus of the suggestion so i deleted it and then had to repost it

[idle dagger]

oh guhhh

[errant wren]

what the heck is repoert

[drowsy plank]

bwuh

why it do that

[errant wren]

[indigo yacht]

fine suggestion, could be written better though imo

[drowsy plank]

@maiden iris i refuse to believe there are not mods on the workshop already that do this

furthermore, if this is for multiplayer, there are definitely dedicated multiplayer mods that do this, or just stop respawning entirely, since this is irrelevant for singleplayer

[maiden iris]

I have tried a bunch of top rated custom respawn ones and they just don't work properly

They can't tell when a calamity boss dies/leaves

If you could point me in the right direction to one that would work that would be great lmao tried a few of the top ones

There was a mod that does "X" amount of deaths per boss, which worked, but again when the boss died/leave you'd stay dead unless you relogged

[drowsy plank]

weird

[indigo yacht]

since calamity already changes the default respawn times i personally don't see an issue with this suggestion

it's just suggesting the option to push said change to the opposite extreme

[maiden iris]

Talked to one of the devs in DMs and apparently the 60 check was just an arbitrary number they did, so I see no issue with it if it was originally just random lmao

We just like the added difficulty is all for multiplier with max times, and now we want basically 1 death per run haha just a lil more fun

[errant wren]

it could also come down to making the arbitrary cap like

super big

[indigo yacht]

4 trillion years

[errant wren]

not that i would know if that might break something for some reason

make the cap be the amount of time between the death and silksong release

[indigo yacht]

chill out i literally just started evaluating infinite sums how am i supposed to figure out that

💔

[maiden iris]

Soo errrr under 2 months right? cope cope cope

[maiden iris]

I wish I knew how

[indigo yacht]

didnt this already happen

#changelogs message

oh, no

that's something else

am i tweaking

[astral ether]

voice acting.

[remote maple]

Draedon has a canon va already tho

[astral ether]

he does?

[remote maple]

Gianni, voice of Gabriel from Ultrakill and Sebastian Solace from Pressure.

Among other things

[drowsy plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465195069406707722/1308300486943965205/suggestion_bot_down.gif

@inland saddle

[astral ether]

is this real? where can i check this out?

[drowsy plank]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkEkBuh_fsU

[remote maple]

Oh lol

Ignore mine, that one is better

[astral ether]

holy smokes! thats absolutley MAGNIFICENT!

[remote maple]

EXACTLY

[astral ether]

Thats an excellent va.

[remote maple]

We’ve also been discussing voice hc’s in spoiler talk

[gilded citrus]

Well yeah gianni is gabriel ultrakill

[errant wren]

either way, i'm like 63 percent sure the sugg is improperly formatted

[remote maple]

Gianni is a great VA

[astral ether]

ive never actually played or seen anythin on ultrakill

[gilded citrus]

Wait when did draedon have a superiority complex

[indigo yacht]

admittedly, two years old

but

[remote maple]

Yeah his ass does not have any superiority complex like what

[errant wren]

yeah that was the other thing i purposely neglected to say

[astral ether]

thats what i gathered from his dialogue, or have i misread the intentions?

[gilded citrus]

Draedon is just robot who likes science

[remote maple]

He’s just very analytical

[astral ether]

striving to constantly research and develop

[gilded citrus]

The guy accepts our dumb as fuck name for miracle matter despite how dumb it is

[remote maple]

And is fed up with the dumbass names we give shit.

[astral ether]

he kinda chil ngl

[remote maple]

Yeah, for science.

[gilded citrus]

Yeah its built into the guys code to always want to pearn and to always science

[indigo yacht]

90% sure this was also about voice acting

[astral ether]

and doesntg tolerate failure

[remote maple]

No?

[errant wren]

ok chat i know we're getting excited here

but uh

[drowsy plank]

it was yeah

honestly im just going to flag the suggestion

[errant wren]

it's not happening

[gilded citrus]

Without any morality to decide on if they should or shouldnt do somethinf

[drowsy plank]

this is like the 7th or 8th time it's been suggested and it just

is not happening

[astral ether]

i got the impression that hes not impressed if we die in his fight

[drowsy plank]

p sure deaths are non-canon

[gilded citrus]

^

[remote maple]

Yeah, cause he made his machines to be strong. And what cog said

[astral ether]

my apologies for the suggestion. i only just joined the server

[indigo yacht]

I'd say that you could add it to the document but let's be real the people who need to see it, aren't reading it

[drowsy plank]

it's fine, but i should prolly uh

[errant wren]

either way

any voice acting for draedon is going to be done with hatsune miku

[drowsy plank]

@hollow shell can we get voice acting added to the don't document; devs have gone on record like three times saying it's not going to happen because it's too expensive, and it's been suggested many times

[indigo yacht]

peak?

[remote maple]

I’ve never posted in suggestions posting cause i know my ideas are dumb as shit.

[errant wren]

my ideas are always peak

[astral ether]

teto for solyn

[indigo yacht]

who

[gilded citrus]

Give crabulon a va (its just mushrooms and electrical signals being converted to noise)

[errant wren]

who is solyn

[gilded citrus]

Wotg npc

[indigo yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/992122099843989625/1311080031442964490/googblast.gif

[errant wren]

i see

[indigo yacht]

oh wotg

right

[errant wren]

wotg

[gilded citrus]

Teto for yharim

[astral ether]

wrath of the gods i believe, isnt that an expansion?

[errant wren]

the thing i never bothered to engage with

wotg is unofficial

[astral ether]

neru for yharon

[indigo yacht]

i still havent played wotg lol

[gilded citrus]

Wotg is a non official addon made by some ex devs iirc

[indigo yacht]

i probably won't ever if I'm being realistic

[errant wren]

i'll play it eventually™

[indigo yacht]

unless it becomes functional in multiplayer then my friend will probably drag me into a playthrough with him

[astral ether]

sorry, im new to calamity, so im still not adversed well in the lore and history

[remote maple]

Mine aren’t lmao

[gilded citrus]

Ill play it once my pc stops being a low end pc from half a decade ago

[gilded citrus]

Only the base mod is canon

Addons may have their own lore but its not canon to calamitys lore

[indigo yacht]

my ideas are better than everyone else's. consider:

[errant wren]

so true elsi

[novel belfry]

add 1 muon to each of elsi's atoms

[indigo yacht]

how would that even work

[astral ether]

oooh! idea. make the gemstaffs combinable, and have different effects. with the hud/toggle similar to the grand design!

more early/miid prehardmide progression

[errant wren]

sis

[indigo yacht]

the primary purpose of a suggestion should be to solve a problem

[gilded citrus]

Specific item suggestions arent allowed

[errant wren]

that would be sis

that did not help 💀

[indigo yacht]

hey sis whats up

[errant wren]

nothing much sis

[gilded citrus]

Theres a doc with what you can and cant do for suggestions

[astral ether]

oh... erm... a setting that automatically uses rage/adreneline when in boss fights?

[gilded citrus]

#suggestions-posting message

[gilded citrus]

You can just bind them to a consistently used button for the same effect

[errant wren]

feel like that would largely go underused regardless

[indigo yacht]

consider: mouse 1

[astral ether]

wouldnt that override the weapon action?

[indigo yacht]

bind everything to mouse 1

no

[gilded citrus]

Nope

[errant wren]

only like mutually exclusive actions

like moving right or left

[indigo yacht]

bind everything to mouse 1 or mouse 2

trust

[astral ether]

oh. so i can have mustiple bindings to the same action? without them canceling eachother out?

[indigo yacht]

it would be peak

[errant wren]

usually

[indigo yacht]

I'd like to see someone nohit a boss with that actually

[gilded citrus]

^

Rage and adrenaline dont turn off any actions so yeah

You can just set them to any button afaik

[astral ether]

i didnt know this 😮

[errant wren]

you should experiment around the mod to get an idea of what is lacking

[hybrid snow]

would this even change anything considering you can disable rippers and just not have a hook or rod/normality relocator in your inventory

[grave zinc]

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[indigo yacht]

???

EVERYTHING

including movement

[obsidian nova]

Wait it is?
I mean it kind of sucks anyways but still, is it getting replaced by something?

[obsidian nova]

Most people lack*

[obsidian nova]

Agreed

[obsidian nova]

Also, imagine renaming it to Graydron

[tepid crown]

yes

phaseslayer will be reborn into something that wont literally give u wrist pain

[hybrid snow]

OH

would you even be able to move 😭

[errant wren]

left with left click

right with right click

or left with right click and right with left click if you want

[glass arch]

carpal tunnel simulator 2025

[indigo yacht]

yes

just you won't be able to use one of your up/down keys

bc you also have to bind jump

you wouldn't be able to use frog leg either realistically

dang your mobility would suck

[indigo yacht]

autojump would make it really hard to run normally, on whichever key you bound jump and a movement key

wings would be more manageable bc you can unequip and requip them to lose all your flight time

bohb would also be viable i think

[plush flame]

they gave one melee speed and one big bulk

[distant gyro]

Hey! we did this one

@kind laurel

[kind laurel]

Oh nice

[distant gyro]

actually

[distant gyro]

this is the explanation in vanilla

[novel belfry]

ayo?

[distant gyro]

there's 3 non-summoner classes and 4 dd2 sets so they just made one tank melee one glass melee

and we made the glass melee one rogue because uhm tank melee makes sense

monk also does clock rogue very well

[fleet grotto]

i do think monk does fit rogue more then melee

[drowsy plank]

holy shit it finally happened

[vagrant spindle]

monk fits focus more
shinobi fits stealth more

[distant gyro]

both kind of work i think

at least better than stuff like mirage mirror which is like

unworkable with focus rogue

[drowsy plank]

simply turn it into this thing

focus lens or zoom lens or scope lens or whatever the hell pokemon calls it

[thorn dock]

Zoom lens iirc

+20% accuracy if moving last in priority bracket

[half imp]

i was wondering when someone was gonna show this

[half imp]

i mean every monk weapon in DD2 is a melee weapon with an alt fire chi blasts

so it makes a lot of sense

[serene tendon]

@past viper Duke already drops two melee weapons tho

[past viper]

Thats a fair point

I guess i just kinda hated using it to farm a singular solar eclipse in my current yoyo playthrough

[serene tendon]

Tbh it'd be much better if more yoyos just got unique functionality

[past viper]

I agree with that

[indigo yacht]

does calamity have any other vanilla weapons that it tier shifts

[past viper]

Some shoot projectiles haha

[serene tendon]

Then the EoC and Kraken can be proper sidegrades

[past viper]

Thats about it

[serene tendon]

Zenith

[indigo yacht]

bc frankly I don't think this is something calamity should have to solve

[tepid crown]

hallowed

[serene tendon]

Hardmode ore weapons

[crude geode]

Don’t think either of those are really equivalent to this

[past viper]

@serene tendon i just believe that having sidegrades that are functionally pretty much equivalent is really boring

[indigo yacht]

yeah, those are more the result of progression reworks than directly changing a spot in progression, and also zenith is special

idk

[tepid crown]

yea they arent, but theyre technically tier shifts

[past viper]

And the fact that the kraken is water themed and looks like a duke fishron weapon just aaaa, its vanillas fault for not making it dukes weapon

[tepid crown]

cant think of anything else tho

[crude geode]

Again, three weapons for one class from one boss is absurd

[serene tendon]

Yeah, but tier shifting the Kraken doesn't fix the underlying issue that vanilla yoyos are boring. Calamity has fun, unique yoyos, so it's not out of the question at all for it to improve vanilla ones to be fun. The point of them staying as sidegrades is for them not to be functionally equivalent

[past viper]

I just didnt want to post another "rework X" suggestion, since theres tons of those

[indigo yacht]

calamity does rework a number of vanilla weapons, i know that

[serene tendon]

And Chlorophyte armor

[indigo yacht]

true

[past viper]

yeah, that is true, well ill just put it out there, but i can definitely see the counter arguements

[indigo yacht]

the main ones i can think of off the top of my head are the lightsabers and hardmode ore weapons

I'm sure there are more

[frail fox]

“Reworks”

[indigo yacht]

they're mostly just on hit effects

[past viper]

Its atleast like one line of code...

[indigo yacht]

oh yeah and flails as a whole

[past viper]

wait, 2, because of the tool tip

[indigo yacht]

like "when you hit an enemy you get this buff or the enemy gets this debuff or you ignore defense" or whatever

[frail fox]

And those are dead next update anyway

[indigo yacht]

the vanilla weapon changes?

[past viper]

Theres tons on the wiki page, but most of them really just boil down to something like an on hit effect

[indigo yacht]

dont leave me gps i fear checking in #calamity-update-talk 💔

[plush flame]

will excalibur be buffed

considering it is a direct downgrade to something else and also worse than vanilla

[frail fox]

The vanilla ore sword onhit effects yes

[indigo yacht]

are other stuff like phaseblades ignoring defense also dying

[frail fox]

Haven’t heard that but I wouldn’t be surprised

[indigo yacht]

i see ty

[frail fox]

Ask some dev

[indigo yacht]

I've never really been a fan of the random vanilla weapon reworks anyways

they always felt out of place and highly forced

[past viper]

A lot of vanilla weapons (mainly the HM ore ones) are kinda pointless tho

So it makes sense to give them some unique identity

but yeah, it does feel a bit forced in many cases

since i suppose, it is

[indigo yacht]

i would rather they just be buffed enough to serve as okay stepping-stones to better weapons

instead of giving them random effects that don't really make sense and sort of try to relegate them into being some sort of like... support weapon when they're not meant for that to begin with

[past viper]

i think what palladium tries perhaps is fine, making their effects similar to their respective armor sets

an idea could be to make them synergize specifically with their armor sets, e.g. titanium weapons spawn more titanium shards on hit or something like that

[indigo yacht]

that would be acceptable but hard to balance

[past viper]

potentially yeah

[fleet grotto]

are items suggesting to remove an item allowed?

[tepid crown]

ah yes items to remove an item

[oblique birch]

what is the item that you despise

[tepid crown]

but yea suggestions to removie items are fine

as long as u have adequate reasoning ofc

[fleet grotto]

idontdespise it but

glimmering gemfish

i always suck at making reasoning

[tepid crown]

certainly a fish that exists

i do wonder why cal added so many grab bag fish

[remote maple]

I kinda wanna make a stupid suggestion.

Well, I think it’s stupid anyway

I have low self esteem lmao

[tepid crown]

like the essence ones are literally useless due to crates having essences iirc

[indigo yacht]

i would argue that they have no reason to exist, mainly because calamity already adds crawlers and reworks how gem spawning works

[fleet grotto]

Mine was more vanilla's huge amount of ways to get gems now

Gem trees, shimmer gem critters, and geodes

[indigo yacht]

oh right geodes are a vanilla thing not a calamity thing

[fleet grotto]

Not as much as I thought but they're a lot easier to do than get a rare fish with little drops

[indigo yacht]

but yeah there's a lot of ways to get gems so a fishing method is just unnecessary and kind of weird