suggestions-discussion

[indigo yacht]

my crystal assassin armor suggestion actually got a lot of stars i should resuggest it

the main problem was just that there were a lot of other good suggestions that time

[echo leaf]

I’m down with a CA buff to whips

Anything’s better than fucking minion knockback

[fleet grotto]

"increases minion knockback" Just say nothing bro

[tepid crown]

melee speed

[echo leaf]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1091210082605350995/1252062606626128074/caption.gif?width=716&height=659

[tepid crown]

:3

[indigo yacht]

GREAT IDEA IM REWRITING IT

"crystal assassin should buff minion knockback, as this is a niche no armor set fills"

[hybrid snow]

This is why I need to game my suggestion timing so that it has no competition

[indigo yacht]

so true

[hybrid snow]

Can't just be posting suggs all willy nilly

If there weren't two other 100+ vote suggestions it wouldve passed 😭

[indigo yacht]

gotta wait until immediately after someone posts some stupid shit like "make enchanted sword a shadowspec weapon"

[hybrid snow]

🔥 🔥

[hybrid snow]

Could this actually be secretly peak

[indigo yacht]

no

[hybrid snow]

Okay sorry

[glass arch]

lol no

[hybrid snow]

My fault for having a vision gang

[glass arch]

yeah

[hybrid snow]

💔

[glass arch]

the vision was closer to a sleep deprived hallucination

[hybrid snow]

This is true...

[fleet grotto]

Isn't this spooky's whole thijg

[grim tusk]

this is bordering on exclam since its related to whips but since it aint whips specifically it is passable

[indigo yacht]

i mean, I'm not basing this off anything from future updates

i barely know anything about whip rebalancing other than that the whips will have flat tag damage again

just "what if crystal assassin was balanced for summoner"

why am i colorful

huh

thanks discord ui

[fleet grotto]

i hit you with the gay beam

you'll soon find the other colors

[indigo yacht]

how does that work

I'm already gay

[fleet grotto]

because i hit you with the beam

[indigo yacht]

i was gay prior

[keen zodiac]

you're gay²

[indigo yacht]

what does this mean

[keen zodiac]

gay²

[tepid crown]

they hit a past version of you

thats how

[echo leaf]

gay overflow

you are now negative gay

[tepid crown]

is negative gay just straight or is it something else

[echo leaf]

No straight is gay*0

[tepid crown]

ah i see

[gilded citrus]

Negative gay is just gay with a different flavour

[tepid crown]

toxic yaoi/yuri

[indigo yacht]

i prefer wholesome gay...

[gilded citrus]

Statis and braelor

[errant wren]

negative gay is bisexual

don't ask me how that works

[indigo yacht]

i dont think im bisexual

[errant wren]

congratulations

certified uhhhhh

just certified

[gritty plaza]

Forklift

[frail mantle]

@austere cave i think that's a bit too specific + master exclusive ai is dying soon

also you haven't really given a reasoning for why it should be changed

[austere cave]

Well, The supreme brothers have few attacks, in this one the player is challenged, it is not impossible to evade the attacks as suggested That's why I put defense reduction on them, a good weapon that does high DPS could even make the phases end as soon as they start

And also I assumed that the battle against S-cal is more of a test for the player than a battle to defeat no matter what, based on the fact that when you replay the battle against S-cal When you beat her she tells you that She had a good battle against the player, granting her victory and telling her that she will possibly face enemies more powerful than her.

And also because I'm fascinated by the phase against S-catastrophe and S-Cataclysm, especially because always, ALWAYS when I get to the phase, the lyrics of stained, brutal calamity begin, The part that says:
Signs of self disappointment start infiltrating (these putrid emotions begin to take control)
Symptoms of paranoia begin invading (such petty emotions have sabotaged your soul)
Your mental fortitude is fading
Losing trust, ending friendship, and rage escalating

And thats why

[north oracle]

Suggestions should be used to present a problem with the mod, not something specific you want in the mod

[austere cave]

A problem on the mod Wouldn't that be a bug?

[north oracle]

No
As in "scal's brothers don't do enough in master death" with reasoning to support that
Not a full rework and ai for them

[austere cave]

I didn't understand

[austere cave]

I have the perfect answer to give a reason for my suggestion.

[north oracle]

that is very much not enough reasoning, and your suggestion is still a full rework which is specifically not allowed

[austere cave]

But tell me, wouldn't it be great if the battle became more aggressive?

[north oracle]

so make a suggestion about that that doesn't go into detail for a specific way to rework the bosses

[austere cave]

I can't, it's the least I can suggest to give more flavor to the fight against The Brothers

It's the same in master and death mode, it's not like things in that mode tickle the player

Personally I would like more extra and different behaviors in master and death, or for Malice to return for more challenges

Or how difficult is it to do a rework like my suggestion?

[north oracle]

not difficult
however, we don't take community suggestions that are that specific

[austere cave]

Not even enough to think about modifying small things by taking a few things from the suggestions? 😦

[gilded citrus]

Whats the smallest suggestion that has got through to devs and gotten implemented

[north oracle]

icicle arrow flip

[gilded citrus]

Oh lol

[north oracle]

(i don't know what's objectively smallest but that one is fucking tiny LMAO)

[austere cave]

Theres ice bullets in vanilla or calamity?

[whole tundra]

Either that or Eye of Desolation flip

[north oracle]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Hailstorm_Bullet

[whole tundra]

Also does anyone else just not like Eye of Desolation's new tooltip

[austere cave]

Oh, no wonder I hadn't seen them, they are post-frostmoon

I never do those events until i need the fuels

[austere cave]

Its on devs ideas making draedon arsenal armor?

I could suggest something...

[fleet grotto]

Suggestions about future content isn't allowed

[austere cave]

What

But if the suggestions should also be for future content

[gilded citrus]

Its not ingame yet so not allowed

[austere cave]

That does not make senseeeeee

[gilded citrus]

It does imo

[austere cave]

Suggestions are meant to give ideas, not just to modify/balance somethinngggggg

🫠

[frail mantle]

the reason is that you should wait to try out something for yourself instead of making suggestions about something you don't actually understand

[austere cave]

What i need to understand?

[frail mantle]

like

[austere cave]

I just wanted to suggest some sort of general armor for the Draedon arsenal

And that they continue following the current tiers they have

[gilded citrus]

Armour is already planned for each tier they dont need ideas

[austere cave]

Really? Uuuu

Need a spoiler of that

[frail mantle]

if the devs say that they're making a change, you shouldn't instantly say "that's bad" and suggest to revert it because it might turn out to not be bad after all

[austere cave]

Theres gonna be a full draedon set as final tier?

[frail mantle]

that's mainly what the future content rule is about

[austere cave]

I didnt Say "thats bad"...

[gilded citrus]

Theres gonna be multiple tiers of arsenal gear and an exo mech armour tier

[frail mantle]

i'm aware

i was just making an example

[austere cave]

Each tier receiving a general stats armor or like the helmets effects?

[gilded citrus]

Theres a doc in the pins of #calamity-update-talk that will prob contain more info then i do

[frail mantle]

(at this point this convo would be better suited for #calamity-update-talk

[fleet grotto]

It's like if I made a suggestion saying "Readd Skeletron Prime's second head in death mode". That's future content

[austere cave]

They removed Skeletron Prime's second head?!

[fleet grotto]

It's future content because it is being removed

[frail mantle]

yeah all master ai changes are being removed

[austere cave]

Let me Guess... Was fabsol idea those changes?

[frail mantle]

the master changes were fab yes

that's part of why they're being removed

[austere cave]

|<uking fabsol ruining the fun

[frail mantle]

in the future master will be just stats, and rev will be just ai

[fleet grotto]

I've heard otherwise

[austere cave]

Well, at least we gonna get future changes on ai too?

I mean... It changes a lot the battles

[fleet grotto]

Well, all the changes to death mode.

[frail mantle]

death will essentially only be the combination of master stats and rev ai

[frail mantle]

master exclusive ai? no

[fleet grotto]

(all as in. not the fucked changes)

[tepid crown]

for a bit of clarification, some changes might be kept for death, but a lot of them will be gone

[austere cave]

|| |=v©|< ur ππ07h3r fabsol||

[fleet grotto]

what's the reason in saying this

[austere cave]

Because of fabsol many things will be eliminated 😦

At least for me they were funny, but I still say that.

[fleet grotto]

nnno i don't think so

[austere cave]

I'm referring to the changes that fabsol made, things like the AI of the master+death

[humble scarab]

but now devs have more freedom to add/rework things

[austere cave]

I know, but I got used to the unmentionable thing, it's going to be a bit difficult for me to adapt to the new changes

Bring back the donors \ :v/

[gilded citrus]

The donor gear was removed cause the donors wanted them gone

[austere cave]

Aw man, they used the gems to destroy the gems

[fleet grotto]

gems

[austere cave]

Gems = Donnors

Donnors removed donnors

[gilded citrus]

Donor on donor fight

[drowsy plank]

just gonna delete that one bc i dont know how that could even be saved atp lol

[olive saddle]

wdym it's crucial its addes

valsmiter mod depends on it

[drowsy plank]

🤯

[austere cave]

Atp?

[drowsy plank]

at this point

[austere cave]

But tell me, didn't that sound like a good idea?

[drowsy plank]

no

[austere cave]

Why no

[drowsy plank]

im not even sure it made sense, you said you get both brothers to 1% HP and then something triggered at 10% HP which like

how would it trigger at 10% if you already had to get both to 1%

and this was before the heal mind you

regardless of all of that, all your changes seemed to do were unnecessarily extend that section of the fight by bloating stats for no discernable reason

[austere cave]

oh yeah, i forgot to write the healing of the 1st sb before entering the phase 3, my bad

Maybe i'm gonna rewrite for better Understanding

Even I'm getting confused now that I'm rereading it again.

[drowsy plank]

your changes just bloat damage to the point that one of the brothers would have 3*1.5*5 = 22.5 damage

so their projectiles would be dealing 18,900 damage

what is the point of this

[drowsy plank]

how the fuck does one shotting the player and forcing them to fight the same two enemies 3 times make the fight better

legitimately i do not understand

[austere cave]

But I didn't say it's un-dodgable, in fact, that's why the brothers' defenses drop so much, at the cost of doing more damage they receive more damage

[drowsy plank]

they already deal 840 damage on death master after the first multiplier they are already oneshotting almost any player what is fun about getting oneshot

[austere cave]

And about "phase 5", I don't think anyone would kill a brother first to anger the other, I mean, even in vanilla calamity killing both at the same time makes them not respawn

[austere cave]

Base damage or damage to a full equiped player?

[drowsy plank]

base is 840

840*3=2520

[austere cave]

Oh

[drowsy plank]

if you were going full defense maybe you could survive one attack

[austere cave]

My suggestion was to make the fight more aggressive, as I said, at the cost of them doing a lot more damage they would receive more damage, to the point where even as soon as they enter a new phase they go through the following phase

[drowsy plank]

this still doesnt explain how this improves brothers at all. they already have an enrage when one dies, your changes just extended the phase to last 3 times as long and oneshot you after the original section already in the game. again, what is fun or enjoyable about this stat bloat?

[austere cave]

Also, from what I see, I left room for multiplying the damage, that was not my idea.

My idea was not to make them so damaging, it was first one with triple offense and less defense, lowering to 1.5 of their base stats

I had the idea, but I didn't know how to write it for better understanding.

I'm going to restructure it

And by the way, whose idea was it to cooldown the dodging items?

[drowsy plank]

the people who actually do balancing for the mod

a build that lets you ignore all damage like 66% of the time based on rng is stupid

[gilded citrus]

Wait dodge chance stacked

[drowsy plank]

i mean considering all those empress builds running hallow+brain+ninja belt

would be pretty weird if they didnt

i mean i dont really 100% remember the technical side of things but i think they did

tbf tho i think it was more like three distinct rolls so like

hallow > belt > brain

and then cal also had abyss mirror and stuff

so it got a bit silly

[gilded citrus]

Oh lmao

[austere cave]

Its not stupid, it's a good build

[drowsy plank]

no it's stupid

you shouldnt have a chance to just completely invalidate the game

it's the same reason defense damage exists to stop facetanking

to force you to actually interact with the game systems

[austere cave]

Thats sound more like a "i hate how others play"...

[distant gyro]

dodge stacking is silly but its afaik its never risk free

but its still silly

[austere cave]

It use more acces slots

[distant gyro]

just putting your prayers into hoping you dont land your 1/5 missing chances if you get hit by dog head that you dont just die instantly because you had no defenses to spec

or damage

[distant gyro]

my point exactly

[indigo yacht]

survival based on rng is definitely stupid

[austere cave]

Its not

It's fun praying to Dodge

[fleet grotto]

there are definitely enough accessories you can use to dodge/reflect to get the 1/6 chance to practically always activate

[austere cave]

Cooldoown general

[indigo yacht]

[gilded citrus]

Gambling

[hybrid snow]

[umbral gazelle]

sometime rng dodge will dodge anything but a high dmg attack

🥹

[indigo yacht]

new nohit difficulty where you have a 10% chance to dodge every attack but you have to nohit every boss twice in a row

[regal canyon]

I don't know if this would be a bug or simply an exploit but you can be mostly immune to Providence's cocoon stars in revengeance expert or lower by being in the center of her while they are fired, the heling stars will all hit you and heal you for tons

[drowsy plank]

i would not see a meaningful difference between those two for the sake of reporting as both would go in #1052323733961977947

[remote maple]

What the fuck are yall yapping about

[grave zinc]

@celest olive - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[The Vivid Clarity and Cosmic Immaterializer are in need of visual touchups]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@teal yarrow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[PLEASE make rover drives craftable]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@formal arrow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[More vegetation for the Astral Infection]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@idle dagger - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change Bloody Worm Tooth to an all class accessory]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[idle dagger]

Yo let’s go?

[grave zinc]

@round wing - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Weapons with Right Clicks should not be able to interact with items]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Buff Arcane and Quick Reforges]

It has been voted upon by the devs, and although it did not receieve enough positive votes to pass, the final results were very close.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[olive saddle]

nothing ever happens

[formal arrow]

word?

[misty lichen]

yet another rover drive craftable suggestion

[celest olive]

oh crap this is the thing I made before I found out that they're (spoiler) ||getting resprited and maybe reworked||

(please don't execute me for putting spoilers in a non #calamity-update-talk channel i hid it and put (spoiler) around it)

[ripe owl]

it's been a known thing for a while now

it's not illegal to put such miniscule things outside of spoiler channel

[stable kiln]

a year and a half ago

[gilded citrus]

Oh sad no arcane buff

[north oracle]

wuh

[grave zinc]

@celest olive - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[The Vivid Clarity and Cosmic Immaterializer are in need of visual touchups]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[oblique birch]

wtf this suggestion got a slot

a waste

[fleet grotto]

I've never seen this before

[indigo yacht]

client side visual bug i assume

[fleet grotto]

Give Polterghast a debuff to replace Moon Bite

Why does it have moon bite

[frail fox]

It sure does bite

[indigo yacht]

what does moon bite even do

[fleet grotto]

No lfiesteal

Which. Sure i can get behind that. strange for potterghast maybe

But Moon Bite

[indigo yacht]

oddly specific debuff

[remote maple]

Idk

[remote maple]

Not really.

Actually it has occurred to me idk what moon bite does

[keen zodiac]

b

[remote maple]

Oh it is just straight up no lifesteal never mind

I thought it was no healing

[hybrid snow]

I support this

Lifesteal the most useless mechanic oat ❤️

[glass arch]

very common mobile client side bug recently

[misty lichen]

nightwither should just do this

then remove nightwither from every other pointless source that inflicts it

like why is empress of light inflicting it

moon lord

[oblique birch]

because Nightwither is Daybroken alt

[misty lichen]

which is not inflicted by any bosses in vanilla

😊

[oblique birch]

too bad this is not vanilla

[frail fox]

Pretty sure it’s not gonna be an alt or whatever next update anyway

EoL will stop inflicting nightwither and it’s gonna become the luminite weapon cold debuff

[oblique birch]

Luminite?

I thought it was going to be hardmode debuff

oh ye it'll be Moon Lord/Luminite themed

still Daybroken alt tho

that's not changing

Daybroken/Nightwither and then we go Holy Flames/Voidfrost

[ashen warren]

yeah nightwither is already gone from a lot of the weird sources it had

[remote maple]

And tastes like the aftertaste of artificial sweeteners

[oblique birch]

why you keep talking about this

[misty lichen]

wait neither is daybroken

[hybrid snow]

Calamity bosses inflict daybroken?

[oblique birch]

nah

inflicted by your friends

or your hallucinations whatever

Daybroken just got its own debuff icon recently so that do explain why none inflicts it on player's head right now

[remote maple]

About wat

[dense frost]

I keep thinking EoL means Eater of Light lmao

Then I remember "oh, its Empress of Light"

[gilded citrus]

Eye of light

[distant gyro]

eye of 'lu

[hard nymph]

can i play infernum mode in server?

[ripe owl]

1. Wrong channel
2. Yes, #calamity-addon-talk

[night jolt]

OK so you know how the Dangersense Potion highlight's all enemies in Green for visibility?

I find it weird how that also applies to the fake Brain of Cthulu's during that phase of the fight

Cause like, A. it makes it pretty much a liability during that fight, and B. it just doesn't make logical sense? Wouldn't having heightened senses make it easier to see through illusions like that?

I assume this is how it works in Vanilla too, but if that's the case it's also dumb there

[drowsy plank]

i dont think calamity interacts with this at all so presumably this is just vanilla behavior yes

[echo leaf]

Worst case scenario the player can just not use the potion

It could be a pretty neat interaction to have the real one red like a hostile, and have the fake ones green like NPCs and critters

[errant wren]

#suggestions-posting message i mean i guess this is fair

i think

[errant wren]

@civic ruin i would remove the crafting recipe part of the sugg, since that's treading sis territory

[civic ruin]

edited it to say "and some post moonlord materials" instead of the specific part

[errant wren]

well i meant the crafting part as a whole

[keen zodiac]

an entire boss progression shift is probably way too big for a suggestion

[errant wren]

balancing stuff mostly

probably some other stuff too

i personally don't see a tier shift as too big as long as it's not that much

[keen zodiac]

deus has a virtually guaranteed change of getting progression shifted at some point anyway

none of the devs like the current spot

they just don't know where else to put it

[errant wren]

i would ask for a source but i also just loathe its spot also

[idle dagger]

I hope they make deus not a worm I’m ngl

I dunno if that will ever change though

[keen zodiac]

rebecca is very against deworming it iirc

i dunno about anyone else tho

[errant wren]

we should make astrum deus an eol clone

[idle dagger]

I’m sure they can do something very cool while keeping it a worm though so I can always hope on that instead

[errant wren]

get this outta here

[keen zodiac]

booooooo 🍅 🍅 🍅

[errant wren]

i don't even like mrbeast anymore

[idle dagger]

L scam post

[errant wren]

offtopic moment but it's suggs so it's fine

[tardy geyser]

more like mrleast

[idle dagger]

I feel like sugg discussion gets off topic often anyway

[errant wren]

i don't care if he donates to charity, he's ruined content creation as a whole

ANYWAYS

uhhh

tiershifting deus

i would agree to do that

[idle dagger]

I think something to consider about tier shifting deus is the result of tiershifting astral, yeah?

[keen zodiac]

astral ore needs complete overhauling imo

[idle dagger]

Moving astral post moon lord also means all of deus’ drops and the items made from astral should as such be balanced towards post moon lord

I don’t know how good (if at all) the true biome blade is against moonlord but I probably have used it against him before

Deific amulet’s positon would also be changed

[keen zodiac]

you can make true biome blade crafted with like solar frags

or something

[idle dagger]

True actually you could just alter the recipes lmao

I dunno why I didn’t consider that

[keen zodiac]

it being literally 1 tier before ark of the elements is really stupid actually now that i think about it

[idle dagger]

I’m conflicted because moving deus earlier feels wrong since lore wise it feels stronger than that

But post moon lord just feels weird

[lucid marsh]

Astrum deus should be where it is. Though, maybe killing it could be an alternative way to get the cultist to show up?

Like suppose you make it just as strong as LC, and have it drop celestial fragments regardless of whether LC is killed. After all, it's not like you can use the fragments without the ancient manipulator

[golden sonnet]

Just don't kill a pillar

I agree it being between the two isn't intuitive, but using the arguement that if you know it's between them but is hard to do is silly imo

[lucid marsh]

Having the pillars in the way is. Huge pain though

[golden sonnet]

you just leave 1

a single pillar doesn't block you at all really

[drowsy plank]

i mean it's not like deus's fight is actually locked by the manipulator

you can take deus on whenever u want

after all vanilla thinks betsy is post-Cultist pre-Moon Lord

doesnt stop people from doing it early anyway

[lucid marsh]

Ok yeah sure

That makes sense, I suppose

[celest olive]

yeah but literally everything he drops except for some mid weapons requires the manipulator

[indigo yacht]

the boss drops themselves don't

i was going to mention that you can shimmer astral into scoria but you already need a scoria tier pickaxe to mine it

[celest olive]

yup

completely useless

[indigo yacht]

actually that's not a bad suggestion idea

[celest olive]

except for the dropped weapons

which are meh

[indigo yacht]

you can probably just fish and kill enemies for the ore anyways but that's lame

[fleet grotto]

fishing for crates and astral slimes will still give ore

[tired haven]

Kinda curious on the source of this one

It sounds believable but oddly specific

[glass arch]

it was in a forums post

i think the same one as or in the same thread as the post golem moons

[austere cave]

Can we have another slot for Master mode using the celestial onion? 👀

[gilded citrus]

No

Infact with a change next update the celestial onion just gives you the master slot

iirc

It would require rebalancing all of post moonlord

[oblique birch]

already is

[gilded citrus]

A

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-posting message I really don't see the point of this.
Calamity is meant to have non-linear progression and the only reason it is shown linearly on Boss Checklist is because Boss Checklist is meant to be linear. The Calamity Devs are not responsible for the linear layout of Boss Checklist

Making Astrum Deus balanced with post Moonlord in mind would require a full rebalance of Astrum Deus due to armor and weaponry being much better, and there's already like 9 bosses you can do immediatly after Moonlord anyway

[celest olive]

erm no its like 5ish

🤓

[whole tundra]

You can fight Folly, Guardians, All 3 Rune of Kos Bosses, Polterghast, Old Duke, Devourer of Gods and Yharon

[gilded citrus]

Deus is likely to change but no one really knows where to put it, post ml is prob the most likely but ultimately this is something the devs prob wanna handle without external help idk

How the guardians

What

[gilded citrus]

How the guardians isnt profaned energy post ml

[whole tundra]

To quote myself
"and there's already like 9 bosses you can do immediatly after Moonlord anyway"

[gilded citrus]

Oh right after

Not before

[celest olive]

that is NOT "right after ml"

[whole tundra]

You can make the recipes for the summon items of all 9

(or catch it in Old Duke's case)

[celest olive]

wait

wait yharon summon needs dragonfly drops

dragonfolly

[whole tundra]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Draconic_Swarmer

[celest olive]

wtf is that

[plush flame]

you can also do bumblefuck preml

[austere cave]

It's only an acc sloth, maybe giving a permanent debuff on player if in master mode?

[plush flame]

so technically immediately postml

[austere cave]

Like:
All ofensive and defensive stats are reduced by 15%

[celest olive]

this shi exists wtf

[plush flame]

well yharon is straight up just preml

[whole tundra]

Also coming back to the actual suggestion, is it that hard to resist the urge to destroy all pillars and kill moonlord?

Alot of people fight Astrum Deus before its "intended" position anyway, making it forcibly post moonlord would kill off the non-linearity it provides.

[gilded citrus]

That doesnt seem like a good idea imo

Nerfing the player for making progress will prob just cause annoyance

[austere cave]

*only if in master mode

[gilded citrus]

Im aware
I still disagree

[celest olive]

literally why the hell

[whole tundra]

Then you may aswell not use the onion as you'll certainly lose more than you gain

[celest olive]

permanently debuffing you for playing the game and wanting to advance

[austere cave]

Or maybe the slot become available only in master + death mode, if only Master or master+rev its activez the slot doesnnot work

[gilded citrus]

They may make rev expert exclusive and death master exclusive iirc

[austere cave]

Well, another slot could be used for some extra effects

[whole tundra]

Now you're saying to add 2 slots

What do you want

[austere cave]

I don't think it will interfere, I mean, if there are things exclusive to death mode like the sword that scal drops

[celest olive]

please never make a suggestion again 🙏

[austere cave]

No

[celest olive]

you would have to be braindead to take that deal

[austere cave]

Im saying that the onion slot should work only if the death mode its active

[austere cave]

Make me.

[celest olive]

oh no he's acting tuff now

whatever shall I do

[gilded citrus]

Calamity is against difficulty exclusives and the reason scal has a death exclusive is due to it being a dedicated item and thus not having to follow the rules iirc

[plush flame]

will

not may

its very much the plan

[gilded citrus]

Im just unsure of myself even when i dont have to

[plush flame]

understandable

[whole tundra]

Erm akshually, Expert Revengeance and Higher has alot of exclusives 🤓

[plush flame]

you can always just add iirc

[gilded citrus]

To the functions of the rippers which are rev and above only?

[celest olive]

if you think your suggestions are so good then post it and see how many people actually like it

no one wants a suggestion that completely ruins a useful item

[austere cave]

My suggestion I wasn't going to make the onion useless, I was going to buff the player in exchange for some debuff

[celest olive]

it does make it useless

[austere cave]

Like the range from the scal armor that makes player take more damage while buff active

[celest olive]

where are you going to find an accessory that makes up for 15% less damage and defense

[celest olive]

yeah bc that buff is actually a good tradeoff

[plush flame]

2.25x damage dealt vs 1.25x taken

very much not balanced

[austere cave]

Its enough damage for gettin almost 1-shot everytime 🫠

[plush flame]

???????????????????????????????????????????????

no the fuck it is not

[austere cave]

Master + death full tank

[celest olive]

this kid is a moron istg

[plush flame]

also master isnt being taken into considering for balancing

[celest olive]

i feel like this is bait

[whole tundra]

Master is currently way too bloated and is getting rebalanced anyway

[austere cave]

Exos insta kill me having the demonic shadow buff armor

[whole tundra]

You can't even get Demonshade Armor without fighting both SCal and Exos

[austere cave]

I agree, vanilla Master base was a "haha a slime killed You in 2 hits" when released

[austere cave]

Yes, and i'm saying that i usted that armor to fight exo mechs

[plush flame]

dont exos get immediately slaughtered with shadowspec gear

[celest olive]

how the fu

[whole tundra]

I feel like you're purposefully running into all attacks

[austere cave]

Nope, i move the neccesary to dodge

[celest olive]

I feel like this guy is too stupid to know the existence of lifeforce pots or the hp boosters

[austere cave]

Sometimes those movements make thanatos hit me, or some green exo eye projectil last enough for hitting me when running

[celest olive]

"green exo eye"

fyi the green one is apollo and the orange is artemis

[austere cave]

tank build with demonic armor, full maxed hp, life force potions, all the potions for battle available at the end of Game, from calamity and vanilla and some from alchemist npc, the Best ítems for dealing huge damage and some dodging

[whole tundra]

You can't die in 2 hits with that, outside of Gauss Nuke, which deals a base 960 damage, ignoring every form of defense

[celest olive]

you are NOT getting one shot by exes with that

exos

[austere cave]

Yeah, i know, The bad thing is that I got used to it and now they are going to remove the custom AI that the vanilla bosses had in Master+death

[plush flame]

because they suck

[celest olive]

the custom ai was ass and overly difficult

[austere cave]

In master + death with demonic buff armor?

[austere cave]

Only agree with the twins and skeletron

[celest olive]

all the calamity bosses felt piss easy in comparison to any of the others

hell

I first attempted slime god

with my afk friend buffing his hp

[whole tundra]

The Master damage value for every attack is the same for higher difficulties

[austere cave]

Twins for me are almost imposible in master+death

[celest olive]

after dying to skeletron for the 15th time

[whole tundra]

If you can't take 2 hits with like 350 defense and 20% dr, you are doing something wrong

[gilded citrus]

Only master
Death will get its own ai still
-# just well made ai and not fabsol code

[indigo yacht]

the purpose of master mode is to be harder than expert mode. why are we trying to buff the player on the explicitly harder difficulty

[austere cave]

And that 960 increase to 1200

[whole tundra]

Excuse me what the fuck

You are getting mad because you are losing at a tradeoff that is meant to encourage risk

[austere cave]

And with the dimensional soul artifact increase Even more, but i'm still not knowing if it's the base damage or the damage received before applying the multiplier of das

[austere cave]

the 960 it's the base Tesla damage or the one with demonic debuff?

[whole tundra]

Skill issue

That is all I want to say

Go post your suggestions

[austere cave]

That's why I said... I got used to Fabsol's bad AI, I hope the new one is challenging and not impossible, especially with Skeletron and the Gems.

Twins*

[celest olive]

the gems

[austere cave]

I'm not saying im a pro player, im asking to You if the 960 it's the base or the damage with the demonic debuff

[austere cave]

My translator couldnt reach "gemelos" to translate it to "twins"

[indigo yacht]

honestly like some of the only master mode bosses that were actually decent

[austere cave]

I'm an average player that likes to sacrifice something to be more powerful

[celest olive]

960 base

[austere cave]

In vanilla... Only enjoyed the plantera master death battle

[austere cave]

And the debuff increase those 960 to 1200 then?

[celest olive]

what accessory is worth losing 15% damage and defense

[austere cave]

And with the dimensional soul artifact?

[celest olive]

...

[austere cave]

Well, i use the dsa, i get the reverse of that thing

[celest olive]

are you complaining about taking damage

[indigo yacht]

this argument has no relevance to anything else

[austere cave]

Not quite

[celest olive]

WITH THE DIMENSIONAL SOUL ARTIFA T

[austere cave]

Not exactly*

[whole tundra]

Taking these risks and dying due to those risks is your fault

Do you want a riskless game or something?

[celest olive]

oh my god im about to start saying slurs

[whole tundra]

May aswell play Journey Mode and turn on god mode

[celest olive]

I need to chill before I get banned or smth

[indigo yacht]

it is not that deep

[celest olive]

I want to beat myself to death with my phone rn

[whole tundra]

Do not complain about risks if you are the one who intentionally takes as many as possible

[celest olive]

just to rid myself of this argument

[austere cave]

Ok, first, to clarify:
I'm starting from here to maintain that I said it's enough damage to be oneshotted, Even full tank, after that, I said I use dsa

[indigo yacht]

dsa is the opposite of a tanking accessory

[whole tundra]

It's not full tank if you are purposefully getting stuff that increased the damage you take by 1.75x total

[austere cave]

I'm not complaining about the risks... I tried to explain why I wanted to suggest the onion thing 🫠

[celest olive]

the onion thing is ASS

[austere cave]

Wait, total damage taken can be that high?

[celest olive]

all it does is make shit harder

[indigo yacht]

isn't "more accessory slots" explicitly prohibited on the suggestions document to begin with

[celest olive]

bc now the onion is worthless

[austere cave]

Idk

Only know that future suggestions are denied

[whole tundra]

Yes

[austere cave]

i forgot that, My bad

Yes, i readed the doc but only once

[olive saddle]

add to calamity
its important you must add or the mod will explode. is veryi mportant anver very nice

[austere cave]

well, what about the wulfrum drones? Are they worth it or a little buff could work on those little mechanical bebes?

Bees*

[plush flame]

i just took less than 300 damage from an ares attack on master death with enrage active and a shadowspec loadout

[austere cave]

Using dimensional soul artifact?

[plush flame]

a shadowspec loadout

0:47 killtime

oh shit i forgot universe splitter

[austere cave]

But You used dimensional soul artifact?

[plush flame]

took ~440

[austere cave]

Wich attack actually?

[plush flame]

tesla orb

[austere cave]

Yup, it deals 630 damage and with the reductions shouod be more, but, how much defense You have rn

[plush flame]

292 defence, 24% dr

[north oracle]

ah nice and silly endgame build

[austere cave]

Accesories?

[plush flame]

standard shadowspec but also with dsa like you said

really the only alternative item here would be like

psc

[austere cave]

You used draedon heart while getting hit?

[plush flame]

yea?

im not gonna hotswap heart

[austere cave]

I mean, You used the healing?

[plush flame]

no?

not sure how i could

considering it was around 3 seconds in

[austere cave]

While healing the damage received is reduced by 50%, that's why I asked

[plush flame]

havent seen a damage number above 650 so there's no way anything except like gauss nuke or thana head could come close to an ohko

[austere cave]

The base damage of Tesla orb it's 630...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but what would the formula for calculating damage be in this case?

Damage received- defense x dr x demonic debuff x dsa debuff?

Counted the extra defense and extra dr from the sponge in first hit and while full shield charged?

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-posting message This just makes the set ridicously overpowered. Having the ability to get the frenzy whenever you want will make slow weapons way too broken. There will almost be no penalty if you know what you're doing. The way it is done rn is a way that makes it balanced around the weapons. If you decide to use it on low HP, that's an issue on your end as it drains a total of 210 health, if you don't turn it off that is

[fleet grotto]

@versed badge please read the suggestion rules

VERY specific item suggestion

[plush flame]

im crying someone did the exact same thing again

[drowsy plank]

why are all the SISs crawling their way out if the woodwork

i love the "damage could be around 30" as if that clarifies anything whatsoever

[plush flame]

base damage? effective damage? damage against bosses at that tier? dps?

[drowsy plank]

@muted folio Please read the rules documents pinned here. Specific Item Suggestions are explicitly disallowed.

[muted folio]

Ah

Fuck

[frail fox]

I like the DS armor being specified hardmode, because that makes sense

[umbral gazelle]

hwat

[plush flame]

lemme guess

mobile

[umbral gazelle]

yes- how do you know it

[gilded citrus]

Wha

[plush flame]

because mobile discord tries its best to cosplay calamity overhaul

[umbral gazelle]

true..,.,,,,

[drowsy plank]

oh this is true

fabsolian type dialogue

[tepid crown]

2018 scal

[gilded citrus]

#suggestions-posting message
yeh i agree

[fleet grotto]

added immediately

[whole tundra]

Atleast Cal Overhaul tries to hide its issues.
Mobile Discord is a different story...

[gilded citrus]

Mobile discord proudly cosplays cal overhaul

[glass arch]

its a mobile issue thats been happening almost nonstop recently

[indigo yacht]

🥀

at least the third suggestion was ok

[worn elk]

whats the disable death message again

[drowsy plank]

"Death is not active, not fun enough for you?"

it reeks of old design when death was trying to be The Hardest Difficulty™ because Calamity was The Difficult Mod™

[worn elk]

imo it doesnt sound that bad

it just sounds kinda snarky rather than outright mocking the player

[drowsy plank]

it's not as bad as i remember it being, but it's still a bit pointless imo

im pretty sure this is a less extreme version of the original, but having that at all is just weird

[prisma sedge]

Honestly, I think it just pairs poorly with Fab's general attitude when it came to game design

Like, it's fine out of context, but a lot less so with it

[worn elk]

was death mode ever really presented as the "default" difficulty or anything

like, you always have to go out of your way to enable it

[gilded citrus]

Rev is the default cal mode iirc

[glad tundra]

i believe revengeance is considered the default difficulty when playing calamity

yeah

[prisma sedge]

I mean, they're technically both as out of the way as each other, since Rev isn't enabled by default

You have to select both of them manually

[worn elk]

idk, i think that line out of context from the recent situation isnt anything to get offended about and it fits with the fact that you just enabled death mode

but then again i havent actaully played calamity recently so im sure recent design changes might make thast no longer fit

and ofc the recent drama kinda just makes it feel worse

[prisma sedge]

Actually yeah, that's a fair point if they end up sticking to Rev being for expert and Death being for master

[worn elk]

i assumed rev was the "default" sisnce its the easier difficulty that still gives you access to all the new mechanics calamity adds

[gilded citrus]

Its the default because it literally says intended calamity difficulty

[worn elk]

yeah and that

[errant wren]

i can rewrite the message

[worn elk]

yes

[indigo yacht]

what does this suggestion mean

[drowsy plank]

@turbid dust what are you even asking for

[indigo yacht]

the first half is vaguely sensical but the second half is just

i have no idea

i assume it's asking for some sort of like, geometric regression for the amount of health you get from life crystals?

[crude geode]

Two suggestions in one

Also it’s a life crystal, having a gem in it’s recipe makes sense

[gilded citrus]

And gems in terraria (and fiction in general) are associated with magic

[turbid dust]

Maybe I read the rules incorrectly and I can't post it here, then excuse me, I'll reread the rules, I'm just using a translator. And if about the idea, then replace the rubies with blood orbs, and also make the health increase gradual. That is, first 5 times 30, then 5 times 20, then 5 times 10. I did it badly, I'll better convey and add it next time, maybe tomorrow it will be clearly formulated.

[drowsy plank]

okay so like
100 -> 130 -> 160 -> 190 -> 220 -> 250 -> 270 -> 290 -> 310 -> 330 -> 350 -> 360 -> 370 -> 380 -> 390 -> 400

i guess the better question is like

why

[turbid dust]

As for me, this is due to the fact that at first it is difficult to find life crystals, so the first crystals will strengthen you well so that you can survive and it will not be so difficult for you to fight at the first stages. And such a gradual increase is well conditioned by the gradual loss of the effectiveness of the life crystal.

[drowsy plank]

honestly not the worst suggestion ive seen

id suggest making the recipe and this two different suggestions though

and you should include what you said there in the suggestion

the reasoning is much more important than the implementation

[turbid dust]

If the numerical amount of health is not so round, then you can make a mechanic like 50,45,40,35,30,25,20,15,10 and 6 times 5 or something like that. The idea is that health will increase with slowdown. I'll try to make a more interesting suggestion next time.

[turbid dust]

Yes, I agree, I just think that crafting should be connected to the effect of the life crystal. That is, using the life crystal, you kind of absorb its power and become stronger. If orbs are present in crafting, I think it will make sense why a person becomes stronger.

[ashen warren]

#suggestions-posting message
we do still have that don't we

it can probably be changed to something else

[kind laurel]

Honestly Rev doesn’t have one so why does Death need it

Just have it say “Death mode is disabled”

Or really just anything not mean works too ig

[worn elk]

it doesn't "need" it

I just thought it added a little character

the suggestion makes it sound like it's actively bullying you into never playing the game again or something

[kind laurel]

Looking back maybe I did go a bit overboard but I was mostly going off of how I felt when I first saw it in game rather than objectively what it says

I was just “that’s rude, why is that here”

I didn’t cry or anything crazy but I remember being mildly annoyed, especially because I only enabled Death because of a misclick

Idk, I just feel it would be better without

[coral carbon]

its not like its actively bad or anything its just

totally unnecessary

reeks of when calamity was The Difficult Mod™

like when DoG would instakill you and make fun of you if you tried to use a cheat mod butcher tool

There is zero reason to have a passive aggressive message for

turning the difficulty down

[worn elk]

yea thats fair

not trying to say youre wrong or anything

just felt like saying what i thought, idk why

[fleet grotto]

Cut down on the amount of armors that increase maximum health

For some reason, multiple armor pieces in Calamity increase your maximum health. In my opinion, very few actually make sense: God slayer armor, Astral Armor, and Hydrothermic armor, for example. Although some more defensive sets do make sense, like Tarragon and Reaver w/ Helm.

help i can't find a reasoning for this other than "it's dumb and stupid imo" and i don't think that's actually valid !!

[ashen warren]

already done

[fleet grotto]

gg

[royal tapir]

You have failed 100 times. Consider lowering the difficulty. If you found that statement irritating, good.

Pretty symbolic message of the old difficulty ideology

[worn elk]

oof is that one still in the game

[fleet grotto]

It was part of Cirrus so probably not

[royal tapir]

No because that was a Drunk Princess quote

[gilded citrus]

Cirrus said it so doubt it

[worn elk]

oh right

[ashen warren]

we can make it worse i think

[fleet grotto]

just disable turning down the difficulty and mock the player for even trying

[worn elk]

see, "not fun enough for you?" at least makes sense since it directly references back to the initial message saying "enjoy the fun" (or something like thaht, id dont remember) but this actually just sounds obnoxious for no reason

[fleet grotto]

!

[austere cave]

Yes but buff the wulfrum drones

[fleet grotto]

i think they just need better targeting for underground enemies :(

[echo leaf]

they should also have resistance to flying underground and then getting confused and sitting in solid terrain

[severe sparrow]

two SIS suggestions

wow

its like people dont read the rules

[indigo yacht]

thanks fabsol

really demonstrating maturity there

[austere cave]

I was thinking on changing the + hp/s to healing 1 hp/s by every drone

[fleet grotto]

new postgame strategy:
demonshade demon does all the damage for you while all your minion slots and your active item are being used by the drones and controller

[austere cave]

How much regeneration and defense would be with that?

[echo leaf]

3 DEF and 0.5 HP/s each so uhh

39 DEF and 6.5 HP/s assuming 13 slots

[dense locust]

actually pretty decent regen

[austere cave]

Regen stats wasnt nerfed on calamity?

[dense locust]

regen scaling is still a thing for now but 6.5 hp/s is good regardless

clearly this should work on the sponge

[indigo yacht]

🔥

[austere cave]

👀

[tiny minnow]

Add more of a reason to play Death mode
Death mode, as it stands, adds a total of 3 items and they're all post-Devourer of Gods. Currently the only reason to play it boils down to "Play a more difficult mode lol". Therefore, I feel like there should be some vanity accessory or pet reward for beating each boss in Death mode. This would add a proper incentive to play the more difficult mode, at least for me. To prevent treasure bag cheese they would drop directly from the boss.

[gilded citrus]

Calamity is generally against difficulty exclusives iirc

[tiny minnow]

I'm aware of the Malice Mode "challenge" items.

[gilded citrus]

Malice has been dead for years no?

[tiny minnow]

Indeed.

They were moved off Malice Mode at one point.

[prisma sedge]

Honestly, i think it'd be cool as long as they're nonfunctional, as in like...being pets, vanity accs, or furniture items

[tiny minnow]

Yeah, that's what I mean.

[prisma sedge]

Oh okay, yeah, that's a pretty sound idea then!

[grizzled dome]

Honestly, I like the idea of it not having incentives? Like, playing a difficult game should be fun in its own right.

the reason to play death mode should ideally be because death mode is fun.

[tiny minnow]

I'm checking the Suggestions guide and I don't think it's an Extreme Effort post.

[prisma sedge]

I mean, fair, but at least getting trophies for your effort every once in a while sounds nice

like, would nearly as many people do the boss rush if it didn't reward you with the rock?

[tiny minnow]

besides the Levi pet right at the end

[grizzled dome]

fair. You could (and this is not an official suggestion, just a random thought) have different-looking trophies or something. It's just awkward if there's anything with mechanical significance.

[tiny minnow]

I'm just concerned you might end up with 3 trophies/relics if you play on Infernum.

[whole tundra]

Infernum doesn't matter with this

[fleet grotto]

i believe thattbis is part of the reason malice having drops was killed

[grizzled dome]

the advantage of trophies is that you can show them all off. You can only equip at most one pet. (I wish there was some way to display pets, but that's a separate issue.)

[tiny minnow]

That is true, but might be fixed in Vanilla 1.4.5, who knows

[half imp]

this is not an invalid suggestion, but

I do not expect death to get any more unique rewards than it has right now

At least a handful of the devs strongly dislike difficult gating content

[tiny minnow]

Ok sir… Like, I feel like I need a reason to do a harder mode besides showing off on Reddit.

[grizzled dome]

fun?

[errant wren]

clearly we make it so that harder difficulties make bosses drop slightly more of their drops

[devout dome]

honestly, that would convince me to try it out

but also, like - there are already a fair number of "harder modes w/ cool rewards" in vanilla and clamtea

[tiny minnow]

The problem I have with the current content is all the non-hardcore exclusive Death mode drops is they’re right at the end of the mod.

although adding a Supreme Calamitas pet which drops from Leviathan would be funny

[devout dome]

so like... maybe the solution is to make Death challenging in a fun way, and not "hard for hardness' sake"? easier said than done obvs, but still

but then again, rev is kind of supposed to be that already...

[errant wren]

as far as i'm aware, i think there are plans for death changes? idk i wasn't really paying attention

[fleet grotto]

what are the cool rewards in calamity? it's literally just the rage and adrenaline upgrades

[devout dome]

heck, forgor that the non-adrenaline/rage rev-exclusive stuff isn't anymore, save like... two pets. our bad!

still, master kinda has the same problem in my experience - lots of trophies, cute pets (eee!) & bragging rights, but very few other incentives (especially PML, w/ celestial onion existing)

[grizzled dome]

one simple solution would be to make death mode crank up the drop rates on cosmetic drops like boss masks. I don't know if it'd be good, but it'd be simple.

[night jolt]

obviously if Death Mode were to gain any new drops, it'd have to be purely cosmetic

An immediate thought I have is just Black or Platinum trophies

[errant wren]

i'm pretty sure i said something adjacent to that

[grizzled dome]

Pros of life crystals requiring rubies rather than blood orbs:

• Requires underground exploration either way; blood orbs would allow you to partially obviate exploration and still get life crystals.
• Blood moon requires 120 health to spawn already, so if you can't find any health crystals, you'd be stuck if they required blood orbs.
• Gives rubies more use in the later game, when their equipment is obsolete, by allowing them to indirectly craft into heart lanterns for arenas.

Pros of life crystals requiring blood orbs rather than rubies:

• Rubies are frequently just as hard to find as the life crystals themselves, if not harder, so they make for a rather poor fallback to ensure that you have some access to life crystals.
• Blood orbs being health-gated means that you're going to have to find some life crystals anyway, and then once you have it'll be easy to finish out your health instead of finding forever looking for that last heart; hence, life crystal hunting isn't entirely avoided. (Yes, this same point could be a pro or a con depending on your perspective.)
• Blood orbs are readily available and useless at their time of first acquisition, so they won't compete with useful early-game gear such as hooks.

I don't know what I think of that suggestion.

[celest olive]

better suggestion: they require both rubies and blood orbs >:3

[prisma sedge]

It sounds like that's a joke, but honestly, it makes sense

It's got my vote

[grizzled dome]

Are you genuinely suggesting it, or just playing King Solomon?

Because it's not a terrible suggestion in some ways, but in others it just seems like it'd be annoying. It locks health crystal crafting until after you've already found some and competes for early-game resources.

The big question is whether that lock is desirable.

[celest olive]

well it would make them challenging to get but idk if its too hard

it feels wrong to make more than one at a time

but the ruby and stone blocks would make sense for the "crystal" portion

and the healing potion plus blood orbs would be the "life" part

[grizzled dome]

Here's a better question: why does the heart crystal recipe exist? What was the goal of making it craftable?

[celest olive]

idk convenience

maybe renewability

[grizzled dome]

It's hard to say whether a change would help it do what it's supposed to when we haven't even pinned down what that is.

[celest olive]

but the nurse also drops them at like a 25% chance on death

so idk

and life crystals are in crates anyways

so definitely not renewability

probably a convenience recipe like the life fruits

[grizzled dome]

Is it convenience? Is it renewability? Is it to help you get your first life crystals if you're really unlucky exploring? Is it to help you get your last life crystals after you've already explored a ton and are sick of running around at 180 health? Is it to help you set up heart lanterns for your extra-large multiple arenas?

[celest olive]

idk maybe they just wanted a recipe

I didn't make the mod

to be fair the life fruit recipe is locked behind plantera

which is far ahead of when you can obtain them

starting at the beginning of hm

and plantera is probably not ideal to fight until post mechs

even if you could fight her after wof

so locking it a while ahead of when you usually get it might make sense

it would also guarantee that you need to explore, find at least one life crystal, AND fight through a blood moon to get the recipe

[grizzled dome]

That's honestly fair. It really also depends on how many blood orbs it takes. Is this a trivial amount which mostly just serves as a progress lock, or a real serious cost for each? Because blood orbs are easier to obtain than rubies, but arguably more annoying to farm en masse due to the existence of gemcorn trees.

[celest olive]

idk maybe something like 25

to provide challenge

or 15 if its too much

[grizzled dome]

The issue with this, and the reason why these are suggestions which are ultimately up to the devs to interpret, is because it's hard to make content to better serve a goal when the goal is unclear.

...meanwhile I am noticing that the person who made the suggestion has been entirely absent 🤷

[celest olive]

actually how do blood orbs even work as potion ingredients it makes no sense

[turbid dust]

I think that blood spheres contain a part of power, like essences or something like that. So blood spheres can kind of replace some ingredients with this power. In my opinion, that's how it is.

[celest olive]

and why do you always need fish for potions

[grizzled dome]

Blood as a potion ingredient makes total sense. Blood as a universal potion ingredient is a bit weird, but doesn't strain too much plausibility.

[celest olive]

ngl this is a game and logic doesn't matter

[turbid dust]

As for the life crystal, in order for the blood moon to come, you need 120 hp, this is good. First you need to go to the cave and find at least one heart. This craft should not become the basis, but rather an option that simplifies the initial survival and search for hearts. If you take rubies, then this is a gem that is almost less common than the crystals themselves, so it makes sense at slightly later stages.

[grizzled dome]

You don't. You need them for many potions, but plenty of potions only require herbs, or (like the ironskin potion) requires herbs and some other esoteric material. You could say something about always needing a plant material and an animal material but that's not true either.

[grizzled dome]

Fair enough. Rubies are hard to find, but once you find one you can then get infinite via gemcorn farms. I think I've been convinced on the idea of using blood orbs. It also means you don't have a situation where you start getting blood orbs potentially pre-eye but can't use them until post-skeletron.

[celest olive]

yup

I like how they limited the crafts to post skeletron

it made me work for my potions

[grizzled dome]

yeah and I respect that. It just feels bad to be accumulating a literally unusuable resource.

[celest olive]

they should give it more usage

but using it as a wild card for potions and a material for stuff is kinda strange

what would really be neat maybe is a weapon that consumes blood orbs

that might be an eoc drop or something to fit the theme

[indigo yacht]

you need 200 actually

the reasoning for this suggestion is kind of just saying things

rubies are not rare (you just need to be at a certain depth), and saying that their usage in other recipes somehow makes them being in the life crystal recipe irrational is just... i do not follow that at all
also, like, how exactly are blood orbs more logical?

personally i think there shouldn't be a recipe at all. you can already fish and literally just mine normally to get life crystals

[indigo yacht]

also like, at least rubies need active effort to get, blood orbs literally take one lava bucket and then you can just go afk and get a couple hundred

[turbid dust]

But rubies can also be grown using ruby seedlings. And if you consider that the player will be in the early stages of the game, then getting lava at that time will be problematic.

[indigo yacht]

no it's not

the planetoid lab has lava

it takes like 200 rope to get a bucket

not remotely difficult

[indigo yacht]

true, but you still have to get the initial gemcorns, and then they take an irritatingly long time to grow and only yield like 0-3 gems in return

[turbid dust]

I just think it would be nice to have an alternative to getting life crystals. The fact that rubies can be grown and only a small portion can be obtained suggests that it is a labor-intensive process. Few people with ~200 HP will first purposefully look for rubies and then spend a long time growing them. Crafting from blood orbs allows a player who has not reached maximum health and has passed the blood moon to at least partially, if not completely, increase their HP. The number of blood orbs can be balanced so that even after passing the blood moon with lava, the player would not receive >10 life crystals. It is unlikely that the player will spend a huge amount of time purposefully farming orbs (Although I do not like the idea with lava at all, it seems to me that it removes the essence of events and invasions). Also, for Crafting, you need to go down to the mushroom biome, since at the moment before the bosses, it will be problematic for the player to get a level 2 potion if you do not craft, which makes visiting the caves mandatory in both cases.

[oblique birch]

Multiplayer

[humble scarab]

With a proper underground exploration i always find rubies. Thats true that sometimes its hard to find them, but you can also get them from extractinator

[oblique birch]

Gems are separated in tiers and generated in different layers

The deeper you go the higher tiers you will find

[turbid dust]

I agree, but I am more confused by why ruby is used in crafting and not any other gem. The only similarity I find with ruby is its color.

[oblique birch]

Ye must be the color

Like with Crystalline and Spirit Glyph

[celest olive]

maybe to make it rare except it also matches the color

[turbid dust]

I also think it would be nice to change the approach to events and invasions. Farming them with lava is a bit unfair. I mean, it would be possible to change the approach to this. Maybe just reduce the damage from lava like in us, or come up with something more interesting. The point is not to turn the passage and battle in the invasion or event into a stupid grind.

[oblique birch]

You can just choose to not do it

This game is a sandbox

Majority of players are lazy enough to not do the setup already

[turbid dust]

Hm. Yes.

I agree. Maybe I was wrong about the lava.

[hybrid snow]

perhaps a bit late but i think the ruby craft works well with how youre intended to find life crystals in the first place, it feels supplementary to me, not like the actual intended way to get to 400hp
like youll find rubies as you look for life crystals a lot of the time, making the recipe require blood orbs just completely separates life crystals from the way you're meant to obtain them? and you need at least 200hp for a blood moon anyways

[turbid dust]

Wait, does the blood moon only start at 200 hp? I didn't know calamity changed the requirements for the blood moon, it's just not on the wiki.

[indigo yacht]

setup is "place two blocks and a lava bucket"

[indigo yacht]

it is on the wiki

I know bc i added it

[oblique birch]

yes

majority don't do it

[indigo yacht]

I don't think that's true, almost every reference I've seen to blood orb farming has just been lava

specifically because it's so easy

[hybrid snow]

ive never done it 🧍‍♂️

simply kill enemies lol

[indigo yacht]

nohitter detected, opinion disregarded

[turbid dust]

Hmm, then I guess it still makes sense. If you take into player the craft with rubies, then the player may not find a single life crystal for his Craft, and if the craft contains orbs, then to Craft life crystals, you will need to find at least 5 crystals.

[indigo yacht]

I don't see at all how that makes sense

why should finding life crystals prior be a prerequisite for crafting more

[turbid dust]

Because finding life crystals should not be a labor-intensive process, it can happen in different conditions. If a player has already found several life crystals but the rest are difficult for him to find, then he can already craft some using orbs.

[indigo yacht]

that does not answer my question

why should the player have to already have found life crystals to craft more

why shouldn't they just be allowed to craft them before that if they already have the materials

anyways i think they can if they get a bloody tear from a graveyard zombie, unsure

[hybrid snow]

i think this is exactly why rubys are already a good enough recipe btw
if youre already down there looking for life crystals you will probably also find rubies so you dont need to actually find as many life crystals

[turbid dust]

I think because it will change the balance, in my opinion. The player should first find life crystals in caves (less often in boxes and islands high up).

[tepid crown]

gemstones when theyre fucking impossible to find whenever you need em

[hybrid snow]

extractinator moment

[tepid crown]

true !!

desert fossils my beloved

[indigo yacht]

oh right that's true i forgot there were already a ton of life crystals in the sky

[hybrid snow]

when you can get all the rubies youll ever need from a 15 minute desert fossil trip is another blood orb recipe really necessary

[gilded citrus]

Diamond gemcorn farm preboss

[indigo yacht]

sorry misclick

[hybrid snow]

lo

[indigo yacht]

anyways i was going to say, a spelunker potion in the lava layer will get you like 100+ rubies in 8 minutes or however long it lasts

might be 6

[hybrid snow]

truth

[tepid crown]

its not toms but it is like

8

usually

i think?

[indigo yacht]

definitely more than 8, at least on large worlds

[hybrid snow]

thats quite a few

[indigo yacht]

idk about medium worlds

[oblique birch]

usually don't need much more after trips to Planetoids

[tepid crown]

i dont use planetoids too often since i usually need other stuff underground

yea

plus harpies make it awful to do without a decent amount of hp anyway

[oblique birch]

ye

[hybrid snow]

i always just finish off with the planetoids bc im usually sick of mining

[turbid dust]

...I'm not sure that a player with ~200 HP will explore the lava level under the speleologist's potion.

[hybrid snow]

you can explore it with 100hp

just dont get hit

[indigo yacht]

but they'll farm a blood moon? :clue

without lava i mean

since you said you didn't like that

[hybrid snow]

besides it makes sense to me that the on paper way easier and faster way to obtain something should require some element of difficulty

otherwise youre just trivialising the game for no purpose besides you just dont want to play it in the intended way

which like, is fair, but then just download some qol to get a billion rubies or smth

[indigo yacht]

qol 💔

[gritty plaza]

my two cents are i've literally never used the recipe cause i just find a grav pot and rush the planetoids

[hybrid snow]

real and based

[turbid dust]

No, players don't have to farm it. I mean, the blood moon is not that useful early on without an alchemy table, so the only use is to craft life crystals (not counting the pistol). So a player can farm orbs to get the remaining ≤10 crystals, but he can also craft a few after the event (usually surviving the night killing enemies I mean).

[turbid dust]

It's possible that way, I just want crafting to be more usable on early stages.

[drowsy plank]

changing the rubies to blood orbs would make it less accessible you realize right

[turbid dust]

Usually, life crystals are either found completely, or rubies are purposefully farmed (as can be done quickly with the desert) and crystals are made. Replacing with orbs will force the player to first find crystals, and then add the ability to craft. The blood moon is not such a rare occurrence, so the need to pass it will make such a conclusion: if you have been playing for a long time and still have not accumulated 400 hp but have already passed the blood moon, then you can craft a few.

[gritty plaza]

im a bit confused about your point

do you want to change it to blood orbs to make it more accesible or to deliberately gate it behind finding a few already?

[drowsy plank]

if you cant find enough blood orbs you cant even start the blood moon, and blood moon is after a boss, while rubies can be found via crawlers, gemcorns, geodes, extractinator, and natural generation. i dont get how making a graveyard is easier than just. doing the mining you need to do preboss anyway

[turbid dust]

I want it to be like both. So that the player can't craft all the life crystals without finding them, and at the same time be able to craft them without using gems.

[gritty plaza]

also the graveyard -> groom/bride -> preboss life crystal is basically a hidden mechanic/easter egg, i doubt a new player struggling to get life crystals would know about it

and it would drive me up the wall cause i always like getting max health before doing any boss

[indigo yacht]

I don't really feel like arguing about this anymore but i also don't believe this is a valid suggestion regardless

[drowsy plank]

honestly it's more likely the recipe just dies outright lmao

[indigo yacht]

🙏

here's hoping

[drowsy plank]

if they do remove it i hope we can get an increased drop rate for life crystals from crates tbh

[indigo yacht]

I've never understood why vanilla fishing is so rare

like seriously

you introduce a method to make a ton of things renewable as well as a lot of cool items and alternative obtainment methods

then give them a like 1/1500 drop chance

I've been considering making a suggestion to remove the frog leg recipe and make it much more common in like the jungle or something but idt anyone would vote for that 😞

maybe ill throw it at a dev sometime if the subject of recipes comes up

[oblique birch]

multiplayer

[drowsy plank]

fishing

[oblique birch]

fishing...

[indigo yacht]

tbh I don't really think multiplayer matters that much for recipes, like i mean people will travel each other's paths and therefore struggle to find life crystals sometimes but yeah fishing and also all the ones in the sky that i forgot about

[errant wren]

solution: add a new material

-# i'll be shot dead

[gritty plaza]

Readd Jungle Paste
it was funny

[drowsy plank]

no more fukcignh jungle materials EVER

[indigo yacht]

what if

[drowsy plank]

this isnt even true we've got whatever the hell is going on with perennial now

[indigo yacht]

we change the heart crystal recipe

to be made of heart fragments

and to get heart fragments

you have to complete puzzles

that are in shrines

scattered across the map

and theyre all like blue and orange and shit

[drowsy plank]

[gritty plaza]

what if you had to assemble hearts from four shards and you get them from various sources like shops but also finding them in the world and if you fell onto one with the inventory open gravity turns off

[indigo yacht]

astral infection secret ending

[gritty plaza]

lol

[grave zinc]

@kind laurel - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove the Taunting for Leaving Death Mode]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[indigo yacht]

ouuu

not fair it isnt even loading

[severe sparrow]

oh neat

i never really liked it

[remote maple]

OH DAMN

[half imp]

Hi I'd like to note blood moons are tied to max life

and also blood orbs won't be dropped until post EoC

[prisma sedge]

Oh yeaahhh, I forgot that you also made that change

[half imp]

rubies make sense since it's a crystal

and rubies are fairly rare

[turbid dust]

Oh, I didn't know about that. In that case, what I suggested doesn't make sense.

[oblique birch]

ye and you have to uhh... dig down the lava zone too

[fleet grotto]

do people forget that the sky planetoid has lava too

[oblique birch]

what

we were talking about ruby generation

[fleet grotto]

oh

i was thinking ab. lava for blood moon? for some reason?

[errant wren]

lava to farm blood orbs during a blood moon, or something

[misty lichen]

i feel like this needs more reasoning than "doesnt feel right"

[frail fox]

Probably

[gilded citrus]

I agree but more reasoning is needed

[grave zinc]

@idle dagger - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change Bloody Worm Tooth to an all class accessory]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@formal arrow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[More vegetation for the Astral Infection]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@teal yarrow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[PLEASE make rover drives craftable]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@round wing - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Weapons with Right Clicks should not be able to interact with items]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[oblique birch]

hey this is pretty good

but I think that'll come with Evil 2 retier

[indigo yacht]

🙏

good batch

[indigo yacht]

still unsure how this made it to voting when the solution is just turning off smart cursor and not putting chests inside your arena

[frail fox]

Odd mushroom

[keen zodiac]

that is one (1) thing

[tepid crown]

still counts as more

[indigo yacht]

crazy how they need to 🏁 it now

[grizzled dome]

erm akshually vegetation refers exclusively to plants, not fungi 🤓

[frail fox]

Doing it for an item that isn’t even done yet true

[idle dagger]

I’m quite glad to see this

[whole tundra]

Here comes the obligatory assets-needed announcement in CalArt

[drowsy plank]

@lost canyon spam is a supported gameplay style for rogue through items like glove of recklessness and ignoring the fact that your suggestion is too long you're basically just asking spam to be killed outright for no reason

[novel belfry]

actually but unironically why is Spam supported?

[drowsy plank]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[novel belfry]

this is a genuine question

[lost canyon]

No, I just don't believe it should be as effective as the more difficult style. I'm not saying it should be awful. Rogue is one of the highest damage classes

[novel belfry]

its functionally very boring, you just, well, as the name implies, use spam

[drowsy plank]

i mean yeah but like
it's just sniper rifle vs minishark basically

[novel belfry]

ive never really done it in any of my rogue aside from the literal beginning of the game and in the occasional DoG fight

[lost canyon]

I can make it shorter, but it said to be as detailed as possible

[drowsy plank]

rogues just get the benefit of being able to fire faster if they want

[novel belfry]

the difference between the sniper rifle and the stealth strike is that you are not likely holding down the fire button for one of the two

[drowsy plank]

yeah detailed as possible but there's still a 1k character limit which im pretty sure is mentioned in the doc

hence the 🗜️ on ur sugg

[lost canyon]

Sorry for missing that. I'll cut it down

[plush flame]

what if stealth strikes only mod was eaten up by basecal 👀

[misty lichen]

what if stealth strikes was eaten up 👀

[keen zodiac]

woe, focus flurry be upon ye

[frail fox]

True suggestion

[lost canyon]

That should be under 1k characters

[frail fox]

Although it’s a bit more complicated than that but surely this will be fixed in the rogue update 3

[novel belfry]

but really spam has never interested me because without stealth stikes you'd be hardpressed to find a serious difference between a rogue weapon and a... i dunno, any of the other thrown weapons

or even just like boomerangs

cause guess what rogue also has

[frail fox]

Well spam started as just being thrower so it makes sense to still be so linked to it

[novel belfry]

yknow

true

[frail fox]

The spam and stealth divide has always been one of the weirdest things, where it’s basically 2 weapons/classes in one

Something something “hybrid” should just be what every rogue weapon is, some things are changing to be like that such as certain weapons next update, save us rogue update, etc

[tepid crown]

something something vampire talisman something something raider talisman buffs something something sunken sea overhaul

[lost canyon]

I think between hybrid and "60 stealth, 40 spam" could be fine. It just doesn't make sense for spam to ever be better, as rogue stealth strikes are already among the highest dps you can get in the game

I think using both is a neat identity for rogue

[frail fox]

There’s at least one weapon next update that doesn’t stop stealth gen when using spam iirc, but don’t quote me on that

Which is more of the step in the right direction and what I imagine a lot of rogue will eventually become (I hope)

[lost canyon]

Oooo, that sounds cool

[tepid crown]

"There’s at least one weapon next update that doesn’t stop stealth gen when using spam iirc" GPScorpion, suggestions-discussion on Calamity Mod Discord, 00:46:06 08/07/2025

[crude geode]

Yeah they’re trying to make it so it’s not one or the other for stealth or spam being better on a weapon and in general

iirc

[tepid crown]

yea

hybrid will one day be the standard playstyle for rogue,,,

one day,,,,,

[grim tusk]

@lost canyon
1- These things should be taken to #1178515062030348308 and any outliers reported
2- Where is the evidence of some spam outperforming stealth (except the obvious ones like Mycorroot and similar, where the spam is intended to be the stronger one)
3- we are not killing either style, we have been looking into a more hybrid playstyle that benefits using both styles, so far there has been mixed results and the feedback on these acessories has been taken into consideration as well as teased upcoming buff and reworks to Raider’s talisman, Vampiric Talisman and Nanotech
4- Rogue rework will happen eventually where the class as a whole should feel more flexible in how it attacks, moves, accessory shenanigans, stealth mechanical changes as well as being rebalanced from the ground up to account for changes to the stealth mechanics and accessory changes
5- the scope of your suggestion is massive and conflicts with plans on previous parts

Someone accidentally put a mechanic planned for rogue rework in a weapon reworked in SSO but hey it works to see how people react to it.

More information to research and tweak accordingly