suggestions-discussion

[indigo yacht]

the other half i havent touched in forever

[gritty plaza]

whats wrong with boss checklist?

[indigo yacht]

buggy a little

[gritty plaza]

oh

[echo leaf]

inexplicably buggy

causes some completely unrelated issues seemingly at random and of varying severity

[gilded citrus]

So is the lite version just boss checklist without the bugs included

[echo leaf]

it's the boss checklist without the everything

boss checklist lite is a list of bosses current loaded and a visual representation of their death state

(it's a checklist of bosses)

the full boss checklist has loads of other features

[tepid crown]

its basically the old version of boss checklist where it was just the ui with a list of bosses and summon method

[gilded citrus]

O ok

[gilded citrus]

And all those features are what causes the bugs somehow i presume?

[echo leaf]

Yeah, presumably

[drowsy plank]

just use BossChecklistLite

[dense ravine]

light

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Giant Squid Drop Ink Bomb]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[gritty plaza]

Ayyy

[grave zinc]

@thorn dock - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Terragon Spawn Rate Decrease Removal]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[thorn dock]

Ty (:

[keen zodiac]

LFGGGGGGGGG

[ripe owl]

This is confusing to look at

[fleet grotto]

they probably didn't know you can turn off the emoticon->emoji thing

[last bane]

I feel like Giant clam should have the hardmode attack in pre-hardmode

thoughts?

I feel like it is very boring prehardmode

[keen zodiac]

it's getting entirely overhauled anyway

[last bane]

oh nice

is it becoming full on boss

or just getting hartder

[tepid crown]

proper attacks

[keen zodiac]

still miniboss

but actually good

[last bane]

Well that's good

what about like mollusk weapons and armor

like I legit think that stuff is terrible

like practicality of it

[keen zodiac]

everything related to the sunken sea is being overhauled

in the

sunken sea overhaul

[last bane]

I thought it was changing generation

[keen zodiac]

that and literally everything else

nothing will be the same

[drowsy plank]

mollusk armor is broken

just dont put on the full set

even then it's still pretty good

[last bane]

ehh the movement speed reduction is kind of a no go for me personally

It's just very boring while the weapons are like not useful

maybe the flail is

[fleet grotto]

Put on the full set and glorious end like a boss.

[last bane]

but yeah can't wait to see what jhappens

I feel like Daedlus armor is kind of sad tbh

is that a hot take

[keen zodiac]

no

[last bane]

It just feels worse than like titanium and adamantium

[keen zodiac]

ah yes

the marvel armor

[last bane]

I just daedlus armor should have like a damage buff

[indigo yacht]

mollusk armor is very tanky and the mobility isnt even that terrible

it's not even a problem if you just spam dashes

[last bane]

I play eternity death a lot

so yeah it's a problem for me I guess

[dense locust]

me when #1178515062030348308

[indigo yacht]

@last bane

[last bane]

what does that do

[dense locust]

it is a fourum specifically for balance suggestions (like the one you suggested)
though you should probably compare some actual numbers if you plan on posting there

[last bane]

yeah just figured it out

fixed it

Would heroes mod break the rules while doing a balance request?

[fleet grotto]

What about it specifically?

I'm sure some things like using god mode wouldn't count.

[hollow shell]

This suggestion belongs in the balance reports forum.

Ok cool they posted it there too

I'll exclam it here

[echo leaf]

also post-golem level offense

[dense locust]

theres no way thats true

last I checked its barely on par with adam- oh

[indigo yacht]

lmao

[echo leaf]

DD

[thorn dock]

Mollusk armor is quite good.. very comfortable early hm armor

Also very iconic calamity armor

[vocal moth]

i take mollusk into pre plant

its crazy goated

as every class except rogue

[thorn dock]

#suggestions-voting message

Thats why I thought enhancing forbidden armor would be a good idea 😅 seem people dont think so.
What about daedalus in comparsion? Opinion?

[vocal moth]

people think its fine its just already a good enough set

i use it personally when i play mage and its good doesnt need a buff

[fleet grotto]

now the rogue set on the other hand

[olive saddle]

most of daedalus is pretty shit vs the competition

[last bane]

what

[gilded citrus]

Thats weird

[olive saddle]

the sunflower vs the crimson around it

[gilded citrus]

sunflower solos your fav biome

[echo leaf]

it's viable post-golem, probably

<- serial misinformation spreader

[olive saddle]

the purity:

[echo leaf]

i like the astral infection

[fleet grotto]

@cold peak i believe this has already been decided on

[cold peak]

Oh has it?

I must not have been around when it was

[fleet grotto]

and although they'll get resprited they're not looking like wor

[cold peak]

Ok cool, nevermind

[gilded citrus]

get a better choice

[gritty plaza]

the aether:

[indigo yacht]

make reflects stack with dodges or smth

lower the cooldown, have them give extra iframes, whatever

I don't think this is really a balance suggestion because it's not really just tweaking a number it's more about adding new attributes

[drowsy plank]

why do they even share cooldowns.,.,.,.,

[indigo yacht]

ikr

it would be super interesting if they didn't, although then again we know how hallowed + abrain turned out

[gritty plaza]

what happened?

[kindred creek]

How hard would it be to add predictive targeting?

Because right now the exo mechs can be dodged just by running in a straight line.

[prime turtle]

def agree on the dog fireball thing, esp since they're pretty fast coming from off screen

[dense locust]

Glad is much better than sulph defensively though

Or well maybe not “much” but noticeably

[prime turtle]

They literally both give 16 defense

Sure, you get knockback immunity from Glad, but you get a double jump and 10% movespeed from Sulph

[dense locust]

Glad gives 19 defense iirc

[drowsy plank]

it's 16

unless calamity buffs that

[dense locust]

Cal gives the set bonus +3 def

[drowsy plank]

oh it is 19

calamity yeah

[dense locust]

Because why the fuck not

[drowsy plank]

gives +3 def

lmao

[dense locust]

Rogue

[frail fox]

It does because we saw that on the vanilla cal changed page the other day and it was weird and made it seem like glad had 0 def

[drowsy plank]

on the armor page it lists it under set bonus instead so it checks out

anyway uh

@prime turtle i think this should go in #1178515062030348308 since the entire problem here is that it is outclassed by other options, which would make this a balance issue

[prime turtle]

i guess but it technically outclasses snow ruffian for when you can get it

also is making it do something else entirely really a balance change? the examples on the doc made it read like that's for number changes

whereas im more calling for "give this an identity"

[drowsy plank]

i think it does already have something of an identity, the problem is that that identity is weak, and the difficulty in obtaining it along with its relatively short usefulness makes it relatively useless compared to its craftable counterparts

[prime turtle]

i mean every armour set that does things has an identity i guess i just mean like more of a lasting one

[drowsy plank]

it's already stronger than snow ruffian and the built in cobalt shield is pretty strong for where you get the effect, not to mention calamity already buffs its defense

[prime turtle]

again smth like meteor armour where it lasts a bit but its specialized

[drowsy plank]

it has a niche, it is just a weak niche

honestly meteor armor isn't even that specialized

[prime turtle]

it's focused into one specific weapon type

[dense locust]

Speaking of the balance fourum the pinned post still calls the current version 2.0.4.6

[drowsy plank]

it's a decent all around set and calamity already slashes the cost bonus in half

it is not at all

otherwise the damage bonuses wouldn't be generic for the class

[prime turtle]

i guess but the set bonus which is the main thing and still a really big effect is locked to a specific weapon type

[drowsy plank]

calamity's reduction to it only being 50% mana reduction for lasers instead of free really removes a lot of the pigeonholeing that the vanilla set bonus gives it

[prime turtle]

it's 33% now unless the wikis wrong

[drowsy plank]

i mean yes obviously it is very strong but mage uses meteorite leggings for its offensive class mixing for a reason

[prime turtle]

its down to 33% i mean

[drowsy plank]

oh it is prolly 33% now yeah that sounds right

[prime turtle]

so things cost 1 third of their usual mana

[indigo yacht]

thank god calamity buffs gladiator armor from 0 defense to 3 🙏

[prime turtle]

regardless i still think even if it can function as a generalist it still has a more fixed identity it wants to follow

gladiator is just kinda taking a hit better and that's not even something rogue particularily struggles with anyway

it's got average defense as is

[indigo yacht]

you cant ever really go wrong with more defense

[gilded citrus]

Rogue is only second to melee no?
Above average id have thought

[prime turtle]

its below ranger iirc

but above the magical classes

which that tracks

[dense locust]

Sometimes it’s above ranger sometimes it isn’t
It usually isn’t though

[prime turtle]

below the more physically oriented classes but above the more studious ones. still armoured but lightly since you fight sneaky

[indigo yacht]

one of the sentences of all time

[prime turtle]

whats that supposed to mean

[dense locust]

But I mean that’s just factoring armor

When you count accs it debatably second lowest

[prime turtle]

true ig

rogues one of the least likely classes to take warding

[drowsy plank]

i assume elsi is referring to crit's point which is funny because it's basically "rogue has higher defense than ranger except when it doesnt"

[prime turtle]

oh

yeah true lmao

[indigo yacht]

i moreso meant the "still armored but lightly since you fight sneaky" but that also works

[prime turtle]

i mean thats how a rogue is

[drowsy plank]

anyway my main point is this is still mostly a balance thing since if snow ruffian and sulph didn't exist then glad would be fine
the main issue is that it is just not as strong/easy to get as the ones around it

[prime turtle]

just in general like the core idea of A Rogue

[prime turtle]

i think thats a silly way to look at it
like yeah if post plantera armours didnt exist then hallowed armour would be okay to use for summoner post moonlord but thats just because you have nothing else

you do have other things so you wouldnt do that

the way i see it is if gladiator was interesting it'd be worth considering the effort to get it

[indigo yacht]

you imply that hallowed isnt already pretty good for summoner post ml

[prime turtle]

gladiator just isnt interesting with its role and the role it does have is... ehh

[prime turtle]

if i need to dodge that bad ill just use amalgamated brain

[indigo yacht]

well that's a given, yes

you use it with hallowed armor

[prime turtle]

theres a universal dodge cooldown

[indigo yacht]

hallowed is exempt

‼️

[prime turtle]

seriously?

[indigo yacht]

uh huh

its stats aren't half bad either

[prime turtle]

i mean they pale in comparison to stardust which i used for my intentionally exaggerated point

[drowsy plank]

tbh makes sense that hallowed is exempt bc it works differently and is also not an accessory

not nearly as slappable on a build

[prime turtle]

fair it just feels weird

[indigo yacht]

okay but consider: 4-9 dodges in 90 seconds

[prime turtle]

also daedalus isn't exempt

at least to my knowledge

[indigo yacht]

reflects should stack with dodges imo

it's not exempt, no

[echo leaf]

I agree

[drowsy plank]

this is bc daedalus is dogshit

the more likely reason is its probably just using the same reflect as the accessories use in the code

like how crystal bullet projectiles got reused for haunted scroll and daedalus rogue which caused the crystal bullet nerf to inadvertantly apply to them too

[keen zodiac]

lmfao

[prime turtle]

ok i edited it to more accurately reflect my intent

[gritty plaza]

i was scanning the vanilla changes page and

what did soaring insignia do to deserve this

can i suggest it be buffed a bit

[keen zodiac]

yeah that's fine

[indigo yacht]

oh wow the balance report crit made was from close to a year ago now

[frail fox]

It’s getting buffed next update btw

[gritty plaza]

oh thank heavens

[indigo yacht]

11% jump speed gonna be huge

[gritty plaza]

which stat even is run acceleration anyway

how fast you start running with boots?

[echo leaf]

the rate at which you gain speed when grounded

[indigo yacht]

idk

insignia works while airborne

[echo leaf]

whoknows

[indigo yacht]

so either run acceleration also does, or the wiki lists the wrong stat

[tepid crown]

"run" acceleration iirc

pretty sure it affects wings too

because

terraria

[indigo yacht]

yeah, wouldnt be surprising

[indigo yacht]

i think this is a specific item suggestion

[thorn dock]

How? Its a suggestion of a combination of 2 existing items

Not at all in my understanding

[teal yarrow]

dash support items are literally goated

carried me on inf DoG

[errant wren]

that's inherently kinda sis-esque

[thorn dock]

Hasnt the combonation of 2 items been successfully suggested in the past?

[indigo yacht]

i think usually when that happens they're items that are thematically similar or serve similar functions

slagsplitter and ambergris don't really... have either

slagsplitter is for pure damage and ambergris is 9 times out of 10 used for the dash boosts not the damage, and thematically they're completely unrelated

[thorn dock]

Both share the same category - dash support

I m waiting for that mark

[indigo yacht]

that's a completely arbitrary category

[gilded citrus]

All catagories are arbitrary

[indigo yacht]

depends on what meta level youre examining them on but true

my point is that people equip both accessories for different reasons that don't always coincide

I don't think I've ever seen someone using slagsplitter+ambergris short of like a pure ram build

personally, i would just rewrite the suggestion to focus on more dash-boosting accessories, then suggest upgrades to the aforementioned as a possible way to implement them

[oblique birch]

I did that

[indigo yacht]

i don't recall seeing you before so my point stands

[novel belfry]

add 1 proton to each of Elsi's atoms for this failure

[glass arch]

they arent accessories that particularly help each other

[novel belfry]

(I too once used slag+ambergris in my class-less playthrough)

[indigo yacht]

go ahead, i need to make a new one anyways

this one is only vicki-resistant up to six instances

[novel belfry]

vicki?

🤨

[indigo yacht]

what

[gilded citrus]

They evidently dont kniw what vicki resistant is

[indigo yacht]

smh

[novel belfry]

i evidently dont kniw what vicki resistant is

[indigo yacht]

how resistance to vickis you are

[thorn dock]

Ofc they do

Ambergris gives 33% dash CD, directly benefitting pauldron

They are synergetic by any means

[indigo yacht]

it also gives dash velocity which kind of offsets the dash cooldown lol

[thorn dock]

Also dont see that point

[indigo yacht]

you can only dash again after your dash cooldown is over if you're below a certain speed

increasing dash velocity means it takes longer to get below that certain speed

[glass arch]

^

the cooldown itself is shorter but the dash takes longer

[indigo yacht]

the best way to use slagsplitter pauldron is learn dash cancelling and use mollusk armor + deep diver iirc

deep diver has a lower base cooldown and is very short, mollusk makes you slow, and dash cancels slow you down faster

[novel belfry]

clearly enough that i dont even know what vicki is

[indigo yacht]

a woman who keeps accusing me of being gay in dms

[glass arch]

vicki would do that

[echo leaf]

due to the way damage scales, rogue armor (ideally umbraphile) can goose the hell out of the damage of pauldron

giant tortoise shell can force dashes to resolve earlier, but I’m not sure if that also applies to deep diver specifically

[indigo yacht]

or right rogue armor

i forgot about that

yeah nvm get outta here mollusk

[echo leaf]

molsk still might be relevant for the reduced velocity which can cancel the dash even earlier

[dense locust]

molsk

[errant wren]

mlsk

[echo leaf]

msk

[indigo yacht]

mk

[echo leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/meta-knight-meta-knight-jumpscare-jump-very-scary-scary-gif-16197995910114371774

[dense locust]

m

meta knight is a pretty cool character

[olive saddle]

[echo leaf]

I think Gladiator is fine as is
Its niche for being an armor set that grants stealth AND knockback immunity is a very valuable niche which remains relevant up to post-Skeletron

Probably... might become just too weak compared to Aerilate, but... maybe the math works out idk

[royal tapir]

I sure hope a pre-boss armor isn't stronger than Aerospec

[novel belfry]

make it more easily accessible then

like i dunno

make pieces show up in marble chests as an extra item or raise the drop chances?

[indigo yacht]

this suggestion is

one of the suggestions of all time

[misty lichen]

it is true

like why does celestus use enchanted axe

[echo leaf]

well obviously it isn't, what I meant was like... it might be the case that using gladiator for the knockback immunity would lead to such a detrimental loss in damage output that it becomes impossible to justify

[misty lichen]

feels like throwing things in for little reason

other than le epic zenith weapon

[hollow shell]

I think the recipes are, like Zenith, meant to include a broad spectrum of weapons from throughout the player's journey

(which technically includes crafting lines/trees that extend back that far, too)

[keen zodiac]

then they do a shit job currently

who uses floodtide or anarchy blade

[echo leaf]

me, testing post-plantera options for leviana

[oblique birch]

a lot of people use Anarchy Blade

[half imp]

Hi about reflections

likely to just die

Unless vanilla 1.4.5 adds a reflection item, reflections are horrific for cross mod compatibility

[keen zodiac]

thank god

[half imp]

If everyone has to support vanilla reflections than that may change

[frail fox]

Real suggestion, I’ve been saying this for ages

[echo leaf]

makes sense

[glass arch]

projectile deletion accessories 🥹

[indigo yacht]

🎉

i think they're very stupid but i don't think people usually take kindly to "murder this item/mechanic" suggestions unless they're "controversial" items/mechanics

[echo leaf]

i'm totally down to let them just die if the item can be repurposed to something better and/or it saves dev hours

[royal tapir]

You could probably say the same thing about Bee Keeper or Seedler ngl

[keen zodiac]

i would say the same about those

[half imp]

I use all 4 of those

ok not floodtide

I have used it once or twice

[errant wren]

the solution is to make them meta for those bosses so that you "have" to craft them

[fleet grotto]

@fading juniper happening

[indigo yacht]

isn't Cnidrion being completely reworked in SSO?

[fleet grotto]

Regardless, one of the first changelogs for the update is "Halved Cnidrion spawn rates."

[indigo yacht]

oh lmao

[grim tusk]

pretty sure theres a rule about not asking for stuff that is already in #changelogs

[fading juniper]

whoops 😭

[oblique birch]

Old Lord Claymore should get an alternative method of obtaining it besides dropping from Bone Serpent (they still feel so rare even with Battle Pots) 🤔

Bladecrest already has one guaranteed in the Ashen Chest

• Demons are abundant so even with lower drop chance they still feel easier to farm for extra copies

[idle dagger]

I do not disagree with this, I feel like i've seen many people (including myself) struggle with getting old lord

[oblique birch]

I think Bone Serpent is the main issue of struggling with getting Old Lord

they take forever to spawn

[hollow shell]

That's not quite what this is, no

It'd break that rule if the suggestion was like "Do not actually halve Cnidrion spawn rates in the upcoming update please"

or "Instead of lowering Cnidrion spawnrates, make it do (something something)"

[errant wren]

kinda funny that the sugg was just asking for something that was already planned

[severe sparrow]

wonder what the Evolution will become if reflection dies...

[indigo yacht]

something interesting most likely

i just hope it doesn't compromise useability for whatever interesting-ness it has

ive noticed that occasionally calamity accessories and weapons have their functions overcomplicated to... compensate for being previously boring, but then they're not particularly useful

[gilded citrus]

Evolution already kinda lacks usability im pretty sure

[indigo yacht]

i know, thats not what i meant

[olive saddle]

hidden random fact: the reflection deals 1 damage i think but unlike pretty much every other source of damage besides blazing core damage reduction. it doesnt cancel adrenaline. this mightve changed with bountiful but i doubt it

why not use a dodge and take no damage instead? sh.. shut up

the life regen!!! think of the life regen..

this isnt me defending the item, this is just a funny fact

[oblique birch]

Hello Old Lord and Bladecrest got changed in SSO, they'll have way lower drop chance before Evil-1 (intended progression) and become way higher after that

Just want to let you know

[idle dagger]

Ah good to know

[echo leaf]

Good

[fleet grotto]

i want to make a suggestion about giving more classes options that increase their attack speed (as attack speed is incredibly fun and melee is really the only class that can utilize it)

but i just don't know anymore

i just wanted to throw the idea out

[drowsy plank]

attack speed...........

[fleet grotto]

objectively fun

[oblique birch]

balancing nightmare 😨

[fleet grotto]

exactly thoufh

[drowsy plank]

i dont think it is objectively fun tbqh

it has a tendancy to break things

[fleet grotto]

Speedmaxxing as melee is incredibly fun, I can't see it not being fun.

[oblique birch]

maxxing attack speed for Terra Blade is really fun I think

I did it once, it was such a great time 👍

god bless Doze making new fancy swords affected by Melee speed and size

[fleet grotto]

Maybe not the best for Ranger or Mage (especially mage) due to them having resources, but I don't think that'd stop it.

[drowsy plank]

most of the time it breaks clockwork style weapons

[glass arch]

breaks clockwork weapons and breaks charge weapons

[drowsy plank]

oh right that too

[indigo yacht]

cant wait for "ranger no speed" damage type

[glass arch]

by this i mean its the difference between them being mid and unusable

[crude geode]

Wdym? Everyone loves last prism 3rd edition

[keen zodiac]

oh yeah now that fab's gone can we kill yharim's crystal

[drowsy plank]

i dont think it needs to die but a rework would be appreciated for sure

[gilded citrus]

wahts up with yharm crsytal

[indigo yacht]

absolutely nothing interesting

[keen zodiac]

it's literally identical to last prism

but Yellow

and contradicts the lore

since yharim isn't and never was a mage

[tepid crown]

wdym yharim being abetter mage than cal and managing to curse her was a great idea

[errant wren]

keep yharim crystal but make it a shortsword true melee

don't even resprite it

[grim tusk]

now throws a piece of dynamite if named xzier_tengal

[gritty plaza]

yeah one last prism clone is enough

and we keep the pink floyd one because yes

[tepid crown]

that ones donor anyway

[gritty plaza]

oh

@mod- oh nvm

[indigo yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-gif-10718565837335930049

[tepid crown]

oh gee if only there was a way to ping every moderator

[gritty plaza]

discord should make it so if a message is posted then deleted the channel doesn't light up

so we don't get excited by convos that are actually scam links

[keen zodiac]

that would require discord to make the ui better instead of worse

which they can't do

[gritty plaza]

lol

true

[gilded citrus]

just rework yharims crystal to be unique and last prismy

[drowsy plank]

why would you want it to be more like last prism the problem is it being a last prism clone

[errant wren]

clearly we're not considering the very good idea of making it a shortsword

[gilded citrus]

how can it be more last prismy then it is rn

[half imp]

i can promise you it will almost surely get shot on sight

either from individual devs hating melee speed, or because that would require an immense amount of work to actually function

well

to function well and to be balanced

[tepid crown]

doze convince every dev to make sure attack speed increases works on reworked weapons from now on and my life is yours

[indigo yacht]

why did this suggestion get to voting

Shouldnt it get a lock?

or something

[errant wren]

it should, shouldn't it?

i think it's uhhh

implemented

[remote maple]

But the sun is eclipsed by the MOOO-HOOO-HOOON

[severe saddle]

I would be happy if there's was at least 5% damage drataliornus buff :)

[oblique birch]

-50%

This current iteration needs to be shot dead

[grave zinc]

@fading juniper - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Lower spawn rate of Cnidrion]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[gilded citrus]

Plans conflict, cnidrion will be a miniboss and function very different to random 300hp enemy in desert

[echo leaf]

@thorn dock Good idea, but this is a Specific Item Suggestion

Please double check the rules and then update your idea

[fading juniper]

thats FIRE, I really gotta do more research before I make suggestions

[gilded citrus]

And its literally next major update

[keen zodiac]

kekw

[indigo yacht]

@lone bone this is considered an oversight and is already fixed in the next update

[lone bone]

o7

[grave zinc]

@glass arch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add some form of unique visual when Adrenaline and Rage are activated at the same time]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@scarlet musk - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make PBG's Plague Nukes Actually Explode]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@hearty hamlet - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Zoologist sells Lacewings after the defeat of Empress of Light]

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[glass arch]

forgot about this honestly

[grave zinc]

@hearty hamlet - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Zoologist sells Lacewings after the defeat of Empress of Light]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[olive saddle]

[lucid marsh]

Nice

Though I feel like it's slightly out of character for her to do that. She would protect the lacewings

[tidal epoch]

Given that we would be hunting them on the wild, would make sense she would want us to better buy some domesticated to protect the ones on the wild

Like when you start making bee farms so people dont try to take honey of hives on the wilds

[lucid marsh]

That is not the reason they do it but ok

[gritty plaza]

she probably thinks we're treating them nicely

she never needs to know what they're for

[half imp]

this also means we currently have two sales of lacewings...

[umbral gazelle]

hunting them in the wild... thats like a Wild Hunt,,,.....

[half imp]

honey also doesn't kill the bee

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message never feel bad about asking for optimization

its also likely reasonable to do but itll likely get locked, i think the devs have plans for exos already

i definitely understand where this person is coming from though, as thanatos always kills my game in general

[half imp]

yeah

I imagine he has the same issue DoG does

with laser walls

I can look later and see if it's an easy fix

[indigo yacht]

cool

this first optimization suggestion is fine but the slowing accessory one...

just use fucking tesla potion (or, i suppose, the accessory it'll be converted into)

plus it reference giant pearl being reworked, which... i mean, might break the future content rule? i cant tell

i suppose I'm biased because I'm sick of completely useless accessories with some fancy effect that's supposed to justify their existence despite not actually being helpful

[indigo yacht]

there's a reason giant pearl is being reworked

[hearty hamlet]

I have successfully influenced the development of this mod

[indigo yacht]

🎉

[gritty plaza]

y'know how in vanilla queen slime's treasure bag doesn't drop dev sets? would it be ok to suggest to change that?

i know it's not exactly calamity's job but it's such a weird decision i just do not get it

[indigo yacht]

i mean maybe but I don't think anyone would vote for it and I'm not sure the devs would care much

[gritty plaza]

true

nvm then

[indigo yacht]

you'd probably have better luck trying to contact the terraria devs directly lol

[gritty plaza]

lol true

[golden sonnet]

It is kinda dumb she's specifically excluded

[thorn dock]

Could be a Quick fix, fast lock suggestion?

[misty lichen]

how realistic would it be to allow cals displayed hook and wing stats to work automatically instead of editing every tooltip

im like pretty sure wing stats should be catchable reasonably easily, hooks would probably be way more complicated though

[indigo yacht]

i cannot imagine wings being a challenge

[errant wren]

i'm sure both wings and hooks have something to look at automatically

code-wise, at least

[misty lichen]

my thought was checking if item.shoot counts as a hook projectile then looking at its stats

getting range would be very hard though and potentially not possible

[indigo yacht]

i think it's probably possible just complicated

[tepid crown]

range is a normal stat in hooks it seems

this is wat the example hook in example mod does and its wat the other 2 cal hooks do (albeit they set a constant to a value, and then use that constant to times it by 16 to get the actual range)

[misty lichen]

huh

i thought vanilla hooks just had a velocity and timeleft

[tepid crown]

so itd just need to grav the value of GrappleRange

oh i have no idea how vanilla does it

[misty lichen]

who knows

[tepid crown]

but since i assume ur suggesting this for easy compat with other mods then theyd prob just follow example mod

[misty lichen]

yea

[teal yarrow]

will yharim ever be added as a boss

or npc

will yharim ever even be implemented into the mod

[glass arch]

depends how long you're willing to wait

[frail fox]

Yharim critter

[teal yarrow]

put it in a jar for decoration

[keen zodiac]

yes

in the final* update

[teal yarrow]

aha

[keen zodiac]

it'll take over 6 years to get there tho

as the current estimate

[teal yarrow]

just like terraria's "finall update"
i really hope its not a metaphor for literally never

[keen zodiac]

it's gonna happen

just not anytime remotely soon

[idle dagger]

I think that Calamity has a very clearly stated end goal for updates

while Terraria's devs keep finding stuff they just wanna add

[teal yarrow]

i think i can wait about 6 years after the 10 year wait time for geometry dash 2.2 or gta6

[keen zodiac]

6 is on the lower-mid end of the estimate btw

[teal yarrow]

[keen zodiac]

also for the future you should ask about upcoming content in #calamity-update-talk

[teal yarrow]

oke

[errant wren]

12 years at most, maybe

[teal yarrow]

didnt know where to ask rlly

[weary bane]

the very next update is already the first stepping stone to eventually adding yharim

[teal yarrow]

wait i forgot yharim is already in the game

as THE LORDE

mb

im satisfied now

[weary bane]

byeah check in #calamity-update-talk if you're curious about what's coming

[keen zodiac]

to add on to what orios said, in the pins of that channel there's a google doc with everything confirmed to be coming in future updates

[teal yarrow]

oke thanks

[half imp]

I'm not sure if hooks can be done with code at all

automatically

Wings can I think

[misty lichen]

wings should be done atleast

[half imp]

I think they are

In 2.1

[tepid crown]

wat makes it so that hooks cant be done with it?

[half imp]

I'm unaware of hook stats being stored anywhere

[tepid crown]

theyre in the projectile of the hook

https://github.com/CalamityTeam/CalamityModPublic/blob/1.4.4/Projectiles/Typeless/BobbitHead.cs#L41

[misty lichen]

and you can look at if the item.shoot sets any of those stats

[indigo yacht]

wb vanilla hooks

[serene tendon]

Dang, will Terraria even be relevant in 12 years?

[errant wren]

yeah with the 30th final update

[half imp]

For calamity ones yes

Not vanilla

nor other mods

[tepid crown]

well for other mods arent they just stored in the item itself

like when i brought up

examplemod

[half imp]

Depends how the mod does it

public const float GrappleRangInTiles = 40f;
Typo spotted

[misty lichen]

please add a grapplerang

don’t ask me how it works

[crude geode]

Please don’t add a grapplerang

[half imp]

this is a good idea

it's just piranha gun

but weakee

you just throw the whole hook as a boomerang

we need a Grattling Gun that rapid fires grapple hooks

[crude geode]

Spider Hook

[errant wren]

grapple weapon that drags you towards larger enemies and pulls smaller ones

...

nevermind i think battle rods already did that

[crude geode]

I think if another ultrakill weapon was added I would kill someone

[keen zodiac]

would you

ultra kill

them

[crude geode]

Yes

[cinder patrol]

i dunno

we need eutrophic glass walls first

its stupid how its not a thing already

[echo leaf]

I heard that eutrophic glass walls aren't in the game yet because they're a humungous nightmare to sprite

[frail fox]

Good news

[glass arch]

the tilesheet for eutrophic glass is a monstrosity

[keen zodiac]

it's grotesque

[echo leaf]

🎉

[echo leaf]

Burned the step stool <3

[distant gyro]

for comparison here's the size of leviathan's spritesheet

double this because leviathan has an attack spritesheet as well but its still smaller in dimensions than The Glass

[lucid marsh]

That's kind of insane. The Glass is larger than all of the leviathan sprites combined

[fleet grotto]

The Wall of Glass

[weary bridge]

why

[golden sonnet]

The way the pattern cycles

[lucid marsh]

I wonder if there was some better way to encode that pattern, whatever it was

I don't know, but I suspect it is

[obsidian nova]

What will get resprited?

[obsidian nova]

Ngl the speed part sounds pretty dumb

[fleet grotto]

Seraph Tracers

[indigo yacht]

there is, that's why they were implemented already

[indigo yacht]

it's not an unreasonable way to go about things

considering how movement in terraria works

[scarlet musk]

i want to make a suggestion asking for pre-hardmode launchers and a pre-boss launcher

but i am so, so tired

if someone could help me with this i would be so grateful

actually i might just do it myself later lol

[indigo yacht]

@teal yarrow no joke suggestions

[teal yarrow]

ok
but it was genuine

[errant cradle]

still no 😁

[teal yarrow]

aww dang it

[indigo yacht]

awful

[teal yarrow]

alright

[errant cradle]

if you want maid calamitas there's a mod for that

[indigo yacht]

i hate this community

[teal yarrow]

👍

ill mute myself for the next week or two

byebye

[abstract vale]

okay which one is that

[novel belfry]

Nowadays when I hear that combination of words, my mind comes to that one time fab had a maid calamitas pfp

[indigo yacht]

:desolage:

[indigo yacht]

i like this

[tepid crown]

@shell grotto personally id recommend a video with inputs showing how awkward it currently is to use, but other than that its fine

[shell grotto]

IDK how to supply that

I don't have an input tracker

[tepid crown]

isnt there plugins for obs that let u add an input showcase or smthn

[oblique birch]

obs has that

[tepid crown]

(idk im not a video guy)

[misty lichen]

@shell grotto im like 50% sure this isn’t an issue if you have the autofire option on

cause i remember holding early for those weapons and it working

[oblique birch]

they really should make autofire option be default

like why the carpal tunnel option is the default one instead of that

[shell grotto]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that just a setting that would essentially add buffering to every weapon? I enabled it BTW and yes it works so thanks for that :D
But it's still clunky without autofire which some people might enjoy using, idk.

[misty lichen]

i don’t think enjoy is the right word

[oblique birch]

vas??? people like autofire off? 😨

[misty lichen]

it would be simple to just add autouse = true to those items though

but also you do kinda sign up for clunkiness when you turn autofire off

[oblique birch]

don't talk about using shortswords before 1.4.4

[keen zodiac]

@hollow verge defense damage already being changed

[hollow verge]

source? i havent heard of this so i'd like to see for myself what is being changed

[keen zodiac]

source: multiple devs

[hollow verge]

yeah like

where have they said that

can u link me so i can read

[keen zodiac]

various places
one sec

[hollow verge]

word from CIT is this. so it doesnt sound like the sugg is dead before it goes, it just wont be looked at for a while if it was approved

i dont rly see any harm letting it go to voting

(lets be real it'll probably die like the last time it was suggested )

[indigo yacht]

sorry, we only do sprite reorientations here

[errant wren]

yeah no other sugg has ever passed except for flip icicle arrow

the sugg updates are just to give people the illusion of hope

[frail fox]

It’s true

[hollow shell]

Make defense damage as a mechanic be Rev+.

Let the Normal and Expert players facetank if they want to.

Makes Revengeance more a challenge by comparison.

[hollow verge]

i dont think that necessarily solves the issue. but it is one way to help it, at least.

[royal tapir]

Oh you're talking about defense damage being made to be based on damage mitigated instead of damage taken

That happened back in 2.0.3.7

[keen zodiac]

whuh

[dense locust]

could've sworn that was 2.0.4 huh

[keen zodiac]

ozz said it's only in a dev build

everyone else said it's only in a dev build

[royal tapir]

They all misremembered

[fleet grotto]

im having trouble understanding this

[dense locust]

get hit once, take 5 defense damage
get hit twice, take 7 defense damage for a total of 12
get hit three times, take 10 defense damage for a total of 22
get hit four times, take 14 defense damage for a total of you get the idea

[scarlet musk]

so like why is there an influx of 12 year olds suddenly migrating to this server.

[errant wren]

there is something i could say but for the purposes of not bringing up that individual i won't

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message kill defense damage

[severe sparrow]

why

defense damage is honestly a great concept

[obsidian nova]

Hey guys, so I've noticed that Truffle will be the one who sells Odd Mushroom, so I think it would be pretty cool if he would sell it while in astral biome (if you can house npcs there)

[severe sparrow]

something that prevents you from standing still and facetaking the whole fight?

i like that

[north oracle]

defense damage is an incredibly necessary bandage over the insane power of speccing into defense in this game

cal's done a lot to make that problem a lot worse, but it exists in vanilla too

[tepid crown]

there was alr a sugg to make it that got accepted to make it a findable in the astral biome itself

instead of being sold

[severe sparrow]

yep
there are builds to facetank LEGENDARY MOONLORD.

it is an issue in general in Terraria

[north oracle]

iirc most vanilla setups rely on iframe cheesing with spikes or lava or similar to achieve max power

[severe sparrow]

for moon lord

that doesnt work

for most bosses, actually
that got patched a while ago by making bosses use their own iframes

[north oracle]

oh nice, they fixed that?

that's good

[severe sparrow]

yep

[tepid crown]

no

only ml does

and mls socket also gives those iframes

[severe sparrow]

ah

[tepid crown]

so u can just break a single eye and use that

[north oracle]

vanilla i am incredibly disappointed in you

[severe sparrow]

at least you still have to actually move during the fight

[tepid crown]

and since the socket doesnt scale in damage u literally get hit by 1 for it even in master

[severe sparrow]

and not just sit in one spot

[tepid crown]

and stuff like witches broom i think? makes it rlly easy to just sit ontop of one

idk it was a while ago and it was in some random sorbet cafe video i think

[severe sparrow]

this is how the I Frames work

so only EoL and ML have their own I frames

[north oracle]

time to use ML to cheese day EoL in vanilla

[tepid crown]

yea

unfortunately ! eol can be facetanked !!

[severe sparrow]

daytime EoL ignores iframes

[north oracle]

oh lmao

skill issue

[severe sparrow]

her damage is far too high for that

[tepid crown]

those iframes literally only matter if ur in shimmer since daytime is

yknow

[severe sparrow]

that got patched

i like how they removed the invincible machine you can make with 1 spike

by just making them in their own group

i honestly think all bosses should inflict their own iframes

[tepid crown]

i

know

read the sentence again

[severe sparrow]

i misread

i realized after i posted it

[tepid crown]

tupid

[gritty plaza]

i like the sorbet cafe fall damage iframe machine

its really funny

[obsidian nova]

Oh so it got accepted
Neat

[echo leaf]

I think exponential defense damage scaling is a really good idea at first glance

Maybe some more thinking and I'll come up with a reason why I don't like it, but as of right now I 100% approve

[gilded citrus]

oh yeah quick glance i support this as well#

[indigo yacht]

obviously the solution is to remove defense

[tepid crown]

yep

anything that gave defence now uses dr

[hybrid snow]

your ideas are always so wonderful

[indigo yacht]

thanks 💜

[gritty plaza]

I'm not a big fan of defence damage tbh

If someone wants to facetank that's on them

[indigo yacht]

i think thats kinda what this suggestion is saying

[errant wren]

defense damage is good in theory

[gritty plaza]

it literally says "this way, people still can't facetank"

[errant wren]

i'm too bad at the game to know if it's good in practice, though

[gritty plaza]

i think mechanics implemented just to prevent certain playstyles are kinda weh

[errant wren]

to be fair, facetanking does kind of take away from the experience (i would assume)

[gritty plaza]

like what exactly is so bad about facetanking? what if we made it so you could only deal x dps to stop glass cannon builds (yeah ik reactive dr exists but that's on like three bosses and defence damage is the entire game)?

[golden sonnet]

It allows tanking items to be much stronger, removing defense damage or ways to reduce face tanking means all defensive items would need to be nerfed across the board. Face tanking isn't a play style, it's sitting still and not interacting with the game at all

[tepid crown]

yea i wouldnt call facetanking a playstyle

[errant wren]

i actually said that last part wow

[oblique birch]

it's really easy to facetank in vanilla

[tepid crown]

more like an abuse of mechanics

pretty much every game i can think of just disallows tanking styles by making them really weak or require certain setups that can be countered

meanwhile terraria tanking is just using warding n sacrifice a bit of ur dmg and oops! ur functionally immortal now!!!

[errant wren]

if there was a puzzle or complex method to facetanking, then maybe it could be considered a playstyle

but it just

doesn't have that at all

[indigo yacht]

standing still and doing nothing isnt a playstyle

[hybrid snow]

My take on this is just that players should be encouraged to like, have fun? And play the game?

Like if you're given the chance to minmax and optimise the fun out of the game (e.g. standing still for an entire boss fight) then maybe something should be changed so you can't do that

Byeah I like this suggestion a lot since defence damage is definitely disproportionately unforgiving for more casual players

[upbeat tundra]

“Hey guys, all this balancing you’ve done with the armors and defence in Calamity? How about you redo it.” … probably not man.

[half imp]

defense damage isn't really the issue

It doesn't last very long

If you don't get hit every 5 seconds you will never take a hit with any defense damage

[indigo yacht]

defense damage is a mechanic that sounds awful conceptually and then is just kinda okay in practice

[north oracle]

Took a really really long time to not be awful in practice

[indigo yacht]

fair enough

[gritty plaza]

ok y'all have convinced me it is in fact a good mechanic

maybe i'm just salty cause i'm not very good

[remote maple]

Kinda an inverse of things that sound good on paper but are…not very good in practice

[indigo yacht]

this is exactly what im talking about

anyways defense damage is better to have than not have even if it's not perfect

[lucid marsh]

Defense damage is fine but I do think it should ramp up over time and/or scale differently with how big the hit was?

It can be annoying if you're bad at one or two specific attacks and want to build to tank them, but are fine for other things.

[half imp]

even with defense damage you can tank like 4 hits in a row at least from most things if you build tanky

[errant wren]

more than enough to kill me so clearly it should be nerfed

[dire lotus]

how do i make a suggestion rq

i have an Idea

[fleet grotto]

Make a title for the suggestion, then add the body explaining the suggestion
Make sure you read the rules first! You can find them in the pins of this channel.

[dire lotus]

Got it

yall are gonna like this one

[fleet grotto]

this probably breaks rules

[dire lotus]

i mean i noted the SIS rule so i tried to make it very non-specific but

[grizzled dome]

uh, if you are trying to make something "technically not a specific item" you're still probably coming at it from the wrong angle. Generally, think of suggestions as (usually) suggesting that something should be changed, not added.

Can these look similar? Absolutely! You could suggest, say, that there aren't enough accesories for a certain class at a certain stage of progression, and more should be added. But suggestions should generally focus more on identification of the problem first, and proposal of any given specific solution second if at all.

[indigo yacht]

i think this is just an SIS. there are already vanilla mounts that ram through enemies (basically the way described in the suggestion) when above a certain speed

such as the basilisk

[grizzled dome]

Would a motorcycle be cool? Sure, but just because something would be cool doesn't mean that it needs to be added to Calamity.

[dire lotus]

fair... sorry

its like

my first Proper suggestion to the game anyways

[hollow shell]

This is indeed a Specific Item Suggestion. I can tell where the idea started from.

[grizzled dome]

That's fair, and I'm trying not to be mean. But Calamity does not, as far as I know, have a gap which the motorcycle would fill. It's not missing a motorcycle.

[indigo yacht]

it's not bad, but valid suggestions are typically derived as potential solutions to problems

[dire lotus]

alright

[fleet grotto]

I think the suggestion is a tad too focused on the "what it is" part

as in, how it would be implemented

[dire lotus]

it was moreso like 'here's a neat idea that could be fleshed out' and less of 'this thing is missing heres how to fix it' which i guess isnt really what this is for

[hollow shell]

You could make this a valid suggestion if you change it a lot.

Like
I don't think there are any ram mounts like Basilisk after Moon Lord
so you could suggest that more of them get added

But you shouldn't mention a motorcycle at all

[dire lotus]

damn

even then the idea of a ram mount post moonlord doesnt sound like it'd be very useful without being VERY absurd

[grizzled dome]

Exactly. There are many cool things which I also think would be cool in Terraria, but are not notably missing from Calamity and do not make sense in calamity, so I haven't suggested them.

[dire lotus]

i would wanna do something with this and not let the idea go to waste but i have no modding skill so i couldnt like

make it myself

[indigo yacht]

tmodloader modding isn't that hard

[dire lotus]

i do appreciate you guys being civil about this

[grizzled dome]

That's fair. I would suggest writing it down, and either shopping around for someone who does have modding skill, or trying to develop said skill yourself.

[indigo yacht]

there's a lot of documentation and tutorials for it

[dire lotus]

most communities i've been to would resort to hostility when i do something stupid

[indigo yacht]

oh dont worry most of the time people would do the same here, you just got lucky i guess

[dire lotus]

damn

[hollow shell]

I also appreciate that
We have had hostile reactions to suggs like these before and I'm glad this wasn't one of those times

Yeah

[dire lotus]

full disclosure this was cause of an OC thing

i like

[indigo yacht]

i try my best only to get incredulous when something exceptionally dumb comes up like that one "make shimmered scal a maid" one

[dire lotus]

im a roleplayer and writer right

[grizzled dome]

I think the word "suggestion" is misleading, honestly.

[hollow shell]

(this pin isn't just for show #suggestions-discussion message )

[indigo yacht]

im not sure if the fact the person who wrote it was dead serious makes it better or worse

[dire lotus]

i gave my OC a motorcycle made from exoplating and stuff called the "exobike" and it was really cool but i wanted to see if i could maybe push the idea towards Actual Calamity cause i thought it went hard

[grizzled dome]

Genuinely, the more I think about it, I wonder if I should go through the channel for server suggestions. Because... it's not bug reports — those are a separate thing — but it's closer to those than it is to suggestions for new content.

[indigo yacht]

again, it wouldn't be unrealistic to just make it yourself, terraria modding is pretty open

check the tmodloader github page

[dire lotus]

that and it would also save me the pain of having to find someone to draw that

[indigo yacht]

it has tutorials for all manner of things

plus the discord server is helpful

[grizzled dome]

I honestly ought to look into that at some point due to my small but persistent desire to add an "eyes of night and falling stars" cosmetic.

[indigo yacht]

what would you change it to?

[hollow shell]

Server suggestions like, for this Discord?
Message the Staff Mail.

[grizzled dome]

And therein lies the rub: I have no idea.

[indigo yacht]

genuinely its not hard to mod, unless you decide to go the route of brute forcing it like i do

just ask for help dont waste 4 hours combing through class lists

[dire lotus]

i wonder if something like this would fit more in Calamity Vanities actually

[indigo yacht]

it doesn't even work

[grizzled dome]

...that sounds like something I'd do.

[hollow shell]

Vanities has a motorcycle mount already actually!

[dire lotus]

oh fr? give the deets

i must've missed it

[hollow shell]

Profaned theme

[dire lotus]

cause im STUPID

interesting

i was having ideas for an Exo-mech themed bike

if that wasnt clear

[grizzled dome]

Probably? I know very little about Calamity's Vanities but it has a much more "rule of cool" approach to just throwing cool stuff in rather than sticking to a more consistent and concise idea of design.

[glass arch]

calval has a lotta random shit in it and yeah the profaned motorbike is one of those things

[indigo yacht]

i mean, it's just vanity after all

[dire lotus]

true...

should i just like

[indigo yacht]

i wish more calamity accessories had visible sprites on your character

[dire lotus]

delete the suggestion anyways

since it SUCKS

[indigo yacht]

imagine how cool reaper tooth would look

or spectral veil (actually that one might have one i forget)

[glass arch]

it does not

[hollow shell]

https://terrariamods.wiki.gg/wiki/Calamity's_Vanities/Profaned_Cycle

[indigo yacht]

every time im designing some pretty vanity for calamity i always am disappointed that i can't use some of the Accessories

[hollow shell]

This too, didn't know about this one actually
https://terrariamods.wiki.gg/wiki/Calamity's_Vanities/God_Rider_Kit

[indigo yacht]

and ngl a lot of the dye is ugly as hell but I'm not really sure what else calamity was supposed to add [as dye] so that's fair enough

[dire lotus]

pro gamer tip that i learned

if you wanna make vortex armor themed vanity dont use vortex dye use like silver and cyan or something

this is probably not helpful but it was pretty cool when i figured that out i started to make my stuff look Actually Okay

[grizzled dome]

the big reason I have yet to play with Calamity's Vanities is that, for claiming to be purely vanity, it also has hooks, wings, and mounts, all of which actually have mechanical implications. ...also lore uncertainties.

[glass arch]

last i checked one of the wing pairs was fucking ridiculous

specifcally the folly wings

[dire lotus]

at the same time

there's always the option of just saying 'this is overpowered. im not using that'

[grizzled dome]

also some of them look... obnoxiously huge? Which, admittedly, is also true of some calamity stuff. But we have seriously lost the plot on this channel subject.

[dire lotus]

thats fair

[indigo yacht]

yeah i always thought that was a bit funny, but also like, just dont use them as actual equipment lol

[dire lotus]

i was gonna say should i just like. delete this suggestion i feel bad now

[fleet grotto]

Make the Evil Smasher gain stacks against high HP targets/bosses

The main gimmick of the Evil Smasher is that it gets stronger with every enemy killed. This makes it very impractical to use against bosses, as very few have minions that you can kill, which locks most of its usefulness to exploration. If the Evil Smasher could gain stacks against these targets, this would open the door for this weapon to be a lot more useful than it currently is.

does this smell okay

[indigo yacht]

Remove evil smasher

All it does is clog up your inventory

[echo leaf]

I think it should be fine

[indigo yacht]

it's not very useful for exploring either bc the stacks only last while you're holding the weapon

[echo leaf]

I'm not 100% sure buuut

[fleet grotto]

Exactly... but I don't want to make a two parter suggestion

[indigo yacht]

personally i would adjust it to be like 20 max stacks (but each is half as strong) and then you gain them per hit and also lose all of them when you get hit yourself (and ofc they're preserved)

[indigo yacht]

okay what about just "rework evil smasher to be more practical for both exploration and boss fights"

[fleet grotto]

I was personally thinking like. you get a stack for every X hits

[indigo yacht]

or something like that to cover all your bases

[misty lichen]

what about "remove evil sma

[crude geode]

Here’s the thing schmoovi

🐌

[misty lichen]

WHATAHWSAHAHWHATHWTAHWSHAWYH

[royal tapir]

Shocking

[frail fox]

Hammer fans

[obsidian nova]

You could try asking some people from the Thorium discord
Or the Terraria subreddit

[fleet grotto]

Make the Evil Smasher more convenient to use

The Evil Smasher's whole gimmick is that it gets stronger the more kills (or stacks) it has. However, I believe there are 2 main problems with this:

1. You cannot swap off to anything (like torches) unless you want to lose your stacks;
2. You cannot gain stacks against most bosses
   As it stands, the Evil Smasher cannot be used effectively against many bosses, making it only ever useful for exploration and other such activities. And even then, it struggles, as you can't use any additional items that aren't even weapon, limiting you greatly.

[drowsy plank]

can we just turn evil smasher into a pwnagehammer for early hardmode instead

[fleet grotto]

@ dozezoze implement dcwo evil smasher into basecal rn

[indigo yacht]

this is true actually

[coral carbon]

remove adam smasher

[indigo yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-by-adam-smasher-cyberpunk2077-walking-past-running-past-you-gif-26927604

[obsidian nova]

Is this a Deltarune reference?

[indigo yacht]

i feel like thats probably spoilers for something

thats why i didnt post it

[crude geode]

It is spoilers for the anime

[swift dirge]

Anyone else like the old lore items where there would be a special effect attributed to each boss or is that me being dululu

[frail mantle]

probably

[swift dirge]

To which part 😭😭

[frail mantle]

no matter the feature, whenever something is removed Someone will manifest to be saddened/complain about the removal

i would be very surprised if you were the only one

[swift dirge]

I don’t even remember them being that good I just thought they were cool

[frail mantle]

some of them were neat

[gilded citrus]

Nightmare to balance

[frail mantle]

some of them were golem lore

[gilded citrus]

Wasnt like 3 of them just “you pick things up a little easier” or soemthing

[swift dirge]

Yeah probably some were lame but it be cool if each bosses was specific which I know is a lot of work for devs

Like desert scourge one could be smt like you attacks have an x% chance to spawn small desert scourge that does damage as current weapon type

Ight there’s my yap for the night probably should go to bed o/

[gilded citrus]

Goodnight

[novel belfry]

the small desert scourge in question:

[swift dirge]

yes

[lucid marsh]

See, the lore item effects... Could just be accessories or permanent upgrades that get dropped by certain bosses

Like those things you get from shimmering life crystals and food

[swift dirge]

i rather have a big effect but be limted to only one

[severe sparrow]

those lore effects are so boring

they barely do anything

and most of the affects are worthless in a lot of cases

[frail mantle]

i remember the slime god one being niche but oddly popular in nohit circles

[gilded citrus]

Same

[oblique birch]

Infinite flight Yharon

[hybrid snow]

the nohitters fiend for additional movement options....

[half imp]

can't wait for wulfrum Acrobatics Pack yharon nohit

[royal tapir]

God

That would be funny for me to do

[gritty plaza]

Calamity acrobatics pack only

[echo leaf]

Do it that sounds amazing

[thorn dock]

Make blunder booster not rogue-only exclusive

Upward dash beeing nice

[grim tusk]

Blunder is planned to still be rogue exclusive, just planned to be more versatile atm

[grim tusk]

thats basically what happened with most of rm

either they got shoved into existing accessories or new ones were made

the exceptions being slime god lore (frozen slime blocks exist still) and yharon (kinda got that with soaring and ascendant insignia)

Aquatic scourge lore also didnt get in due to being generic stat stick numero 10

and the stats it gave where gotten back with higher tier well fed buffs

[gilded citrus]

Add an item that grants every lore item effect at once

[indigo yacht]

shattered community except its dogshit community

[indigo yacht]

what did yharon lore do again? i remember something about infinite flight time for like multiple days

[tepid crown]

essentially infinite flight (14 minutes worth) for a 0.75x dmg multiplier

[remote maple]

The player's wing time is increased to around 14 minutes but their damage is multiplied by 0.75.

[indigo yacht]

ah

[obsidian nova]

Yup

Mods, get their balls

[lucid marsh]

Wait

Rename shattered community to fabsol community

As like
An insult

[crude geode]

No

[odd geyser]

i getchu

i getchu, but we gotta lock in

that name you mentioned isn't real anymore

[glass arch]

horrible idea

not only does it not make grammatical sense it isnt even a cool name

plus its ozzs dev item so youd have to get ozzatrons direct approval

[novel belfry]

no. Rename it to Fandom.

[errant wren]

add a tooltip or something

"fab did this"

[prisma sedge]

Counterargument, Fandom is great, where else could you get the Calamity in your Calamity mod?

[fleet grotto]

it drops from scal

[obsidian nova]

Hey guys, can you please suggest some arguments for adding a fourth permanent mana upgrade?

[oblique birch]

🤔 do we really need it

I mean I can only think of making it be equal to Health upgrades, which is 4

[keen zodiac]

it would have to be post yharon which doesn't make much sense

also there's a health upgrade at that stage

[oblique birch]

post DoG

another upgrade post DoG 😇

[keen zodiac]

that's only 2 bosses after the previous one (polter)

[obsidian nova]

We can make it an earlier upgrade

[keen zodiac]

there's currently:
-beginning hardmode
-end hardmode
-lateish postmoonlord

other people figure out where it would fit bc idk

[drowsy plank]

why

[keen zodiac]

pokeverse demands it

[lucid marsh]

End prehardmode or mid hardmode come to mind

[keen zodiac]

end prehardmode would be directly before beginning hardmode

[lucid marsh]

Well, yes

[misty lichen]

no reason to add another mana upgrade

cal armors already bloat your mana so much

there is no tier that has too little mana

except maybe directly postml but that’s only bc your only option is nebula (+60 instead of +100)

and everything else always gives +100 since hydrothermic

[echo leaf]

demonshade fnuuy

[errant wren]

instead of increasing max mana, it reduces mana consumption

[hybrid snow]

make demonshade increase max mana even more
y not

[gritty plaza]

make meteor armour make magic guns free
Funny

[olive saddle]

kill defense damage
bad mid with defense damage

[median scaffold]

Delete mana

[obsidian nova]

Well with this list it can be in the very beginning of post moon lord (probably using exodium clusters and such) or (more likely) the middle of hardmode

[grave zinc]

@scarlet musk - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make PBG's Plague Nukes Actually Explode]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@glass arch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add some form of unique visual when Adrenaline and Rage are activated at the same time]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[scarlet musk]

what was that about

[tepid crown]

scam

unless u mean the sugg updates

[vagrant spindle]

the infestation

[oblique birch]

Special visual ded

At least we'll still have Xyk's vanities

[thorn dock]

Why does heart of the elements feature all elements once and only one Element twice

Could the healing minion be removed nd get an upgrade/ new recipe it forges into? With faster homing healing for example?

[prisma sedge]

I wonder what the general consensus would be on keeping the functionality of the healing minion, but changing the sprite to be based on Silva instead of being Sandy 2.0

[errant wren]

i think a retheme of rare elemental would work

[glass arch]

good

[indigo yacht]

good?

[glass arch]

yes

i didnt actually want the sugg to pass

[indigo yacht]

why not

[hybrid snow]

wouldve been cool

imho tbh ngl icl

[glass arch]

didnt like the sugg

only suggested it because i was feeling silly

[indigo yacht]

oh

[hybrid snow]

youre actually evil for this

because my br sugg didnt get passed on 🥀

[glass arch]

thank you i try to be

[glass arch]

you can resuggest it

[hybrid snow]

too hard

not bothered

[glass arch]

my guy you literally just copy paste the suggestion

[hybrid snow]

besides ive had like 3 seperate people tell me theyll look into it anyways lol

[hybrid snow]

[drowsy plank]

ah yes but you see you forgot the sacred adage, just like how undertale players cannot read, terraria players cannot exude effort

[glass arch]

yknow what fair

also we cant read either

[indigo yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465195069406707722/1379382538161750147/unknown.png?ex=68664518&is=6864f398&hm=da49321ea91b62b58cdc2c2e0e1e33f3a35f9f43222478a95a97053f0b8209bf&