suggestions-discussion

[half imp]

But

I don't have two snail

[coral pewter]

Is this a new suggestion? /lh

[half imp]

So one is sloth

I am really good at having weird ideas

[scarlet musk]

Red Sun Tweaks

• Give it directional swing (this should be a standard by now but i feel its still important to mention. directional swing simultaneously makes it easier to hit enemies and gives you a reason to actually move your cursor.)
• Make its projectiles only activate on true melee hits (this will reduce the mage-weaponness and make the sword more melee-centric and involved while keeping the projectiles)
• Projectile rate accelerates with consecutive hits (this would make the projectiles more interesting by giving the weapon an additional dimension of thought and deliberation to work with as you try to keep the combo going. as it is, the projectiles are fine and cool but feel a bit tacked on (this is mostly due to not being true melee). adding something like this would remedy by adding a unique element to play around and make it less mage-y especially for an endgame weapon whose function should be especially fun)

this is a suggestion i was wanting to post at some point but i was told it's SRS. im honestly just curious what yall think about it in general, non-rule wise

[half imp]

that sometimes work

[half imp]

Red Sun is dedicated content

isn't it?

[scarlet musk]

probably

[novel belfry]

I think you should be much less specific in general when it comes to suggesting reworks to stuff

[tardy geyser]

dev item I think yeah

[tepid crown]

dev item iirc

[indigo yacht]

ignoring the rules i think its neat

[novel belfry]

Like, not stat wise, its that you're quite detailed in wanting some details

[scarlet musk]

ik it's SRS im just curious if yall like the idea of the rework

[errant wren]

in general, idk too long for me to read

[indigo yacht]

would be a lot less boring

[errant wren]

ima trust elsi's judgement

[scarlet musk]

tl;dr make it directional swing, make it true melee, make the projectiles ramp up over time so you have to keep the combo going

[grim tusk]

SRS + dedicated content

[half imp]

when do we get use style 2 broadsword

[grim tusk]

aint this just earth?

[scarlet musk]

idk what earth does

[half imp]

no

[tardy geyser]

I like it

[novel belfry]

Crow usually the best idea for suggesting a rework to a given item is to explain why you think the item itself needs a rework.

[half imp]

That's not earth

[novel belfry]

Oh shit

[half imp]

For one, earth is true melee

[novel belfry]

they accidentally slightly leaked the rework

ANYWAYS

[frail fox]

Rework leak: Earth is true melee

[scarlet musk]

so like

red sun should be true melee

this is an easy way to make it more fun. right now, it struggles by being a glorified mage weapon. i mean seriously who uses the actual sword

[half imp]

the reason atm is

not ideal

[tardy geyser]

I feel like one dev tier true melee weapon is enough though

[half imp]

yeah

[tardy geyser]

If it was like a flail or something other than a sword though

[scarlet musk]

ik ik

[half imp]

Ain't red sun the only dev tier projectile sword or something

Idr

Idk what shadowspec has

[novel belfry]

Draconic destruction

[scarlet musk]

i really like the idea of a weapon that rains down giant meteors from the sky or something

[keen zodiac]

old burning sky

[novel belfry]

i know this sword particularly becaused i used it against nameless deity one time

ANYWAYS

[half imp]

Like... Stellar Striker?

[scarlet musk]

like imagine a spell book that just rains down huge red meteors across your entire screen, slowly ramping up over time

[half imp]

Just DragonLens it to be strong

[scarlet musk]

like bigggg ones like 8 blocks diameter

[fleet grotto]

Galactus Blade

[novel belfry]

for instance, say I decide the Void Edge should be reworked.
If I were, say, a FOOL, I would get hyperspecific in the ways I would like the weapon to act like. But ultimately, the devs are the ones who are going to do the work of reworking the item. They might have their own ideas on how to do it.

The MEAT of your suggestion should be focused on why you think the weapon needs a rework, not what the rework should look like.

lemme conjure something up

[indigo yacht]

i mixed this up so badly. i deadass read this as "red sun is the only homophobic tier projectile sword"

[half imp]

Almost right

But

[indigo yacht]

😭

[scarlet musk]

i mean it makes sense to me, im just afflicted with a chronic creativity lol

[half imp]

That would be like .m

greentide

Greentide probably homophobic sword

[scarlet musk]

i know what my suggestion should look like, it's just hard to resist thinking of my own ideas even though they're not helpful

[tepid crown]

what

[half imp]

You heard me

[scarlet musk]

yeah actually that makes sense

[north oracle]

doze wha

[half imp]

am I wrong?

[fleet grotto]

yes

[novel belfry]

Rework Void Edge

This weapon is boring. It just fires homing projectiles and fires more when you tmelee strike it. It's conceptually bland for something that is literally called the Void Edge. I therefore suggest it should be reworked, preferably to echo its nature of using a lot of souls of abyss dwellers.

[half imp]

no u

[scarlet musk]

i love posting the same general idea of a suggestion for the 6th time over the course of almost a year

john wulfrum acrobatics pack will you please make a few minor changes to scorched earth to make it as visually and aesthetically interesting as some other launchers in calamity

[fleet grotto]

it's the sword from like basically not really lesbians

[half imp]

yes but it's a closet homophobe

[novel belfry]

IF you are still really interested in proposing something... you could at least write ONE SENTENCE of what you'd specifically do.

Like

[fleet grotto]

explain

[half imp]

no

[novel belfry]

uh hang on

[fleet grotto]

honestly if you want a sword that's homophobic look at fuckin uhhhh

chat I'm ngl most swords are allies

[scarlet musk]

such as:

• make the firing sound play for each missile instead of just one per burst
• idk recoil
• a little smoke backblast thing
• update explosion effects to the New Calamity Explosion Effect
• maybe a tiny rework to make the missiles feel heavier

[half imp]

Except greentide

[fleet grotto]

hellkite

[half imp]

And shade wood sword

[keen zodiac]

briny baron

[half imp]

Yes

[fleet grotto]

okay definitely yes

[scarlet musk]

hellkite is mega gay idk

[glass arch]

think about it
when they havent realized that they're gay a lot of gay people are kinda sorta homophobic

[fleet grotto]

this is truthing

[novel belfry]

Maybe you're suggesting an upgrade to the Absorber (Don't do this, I already did this and it got rejected). Perhaps maybe it comes to your mind that there's an endgame boss that is themed around regeneration, so maybe you could write in the description about it being "Perhaps you could theme the upgrade around Yharon."

[fleet grotto]

actually yea

[half imp]

This

[fleet grotto]

rethinking it

[scarlet musk]

briny baron is homophobic grampa

[fleet grotto]

what's the perennial sword called? feralthorn claymore or smth?

[half imp]

Yea

[scarlet musk]

wait are you auric tier absorber upgrade

[fleet grotto]

homophobic vibes tbh

[half imp]

That one is not homophobic

[novel belfry]

Like Crow. I GET IT. I would LOVE to be able to get the devs to rework the Botanic Piercer line to be a really cool Tmelee weapon line, but I am not a developer. I am a random joe.

[half imp]

It's humanphobic

it hates everyone equally

[indigo yacht]

I'm humanphobic

[novel belfry]

Yes I genuinely suggested this. I didn't realize that Absorber was that broken.

[half imp]

True

[half imp]

No, they haven't been on in a while

[fleet grotto]

xenophobia probably

[novel belfry]

(and also because its former upgrade the Sponge became a very different tho still a very valuable defensive accessory)

[half imp]

Yea

[scarlet musk]

oh it starts with no

i forgot

honestly i don't even really care about actual reworks to scorched earth. i just wish it got an aesthetic/animation glowup

[novel belfry]

there i found it

highlighted text is a single sentence dedicated to what you'd like the item's rework to be like

[scarlet musk]

man i love botanic piercer

[tardy geyser]

Not everything needs to be upgradable
Plus its already really fucking good, I use it for scal a lot

[novel belfry]

like what im saying is that you should replace this section with something simpler, or even just leave that part out entirely, because without this, the suggestion is as fine as is

[scarlet musk]

i honestly wanna rewrite my scorched earth suggestion a little instead of just brute forcing it

[novel belfry]

I mean, look at the red stuff. It got rejected, and for good reason.

(now that i think about it, Absorber is genuinely too stacked)

Like it's SO insane in every conceivable way

[tardy geyser]

Yeah needs a big nerf imo

[novel belfry]

and this is important

you can get this. Pre-Moon Lord.

[glass arch]

to keep in line with my persona

buff absorber

[novel belfry]

Unironically the only possible way an absorber upgrade could ever get into Calamity is if it's just the old stats of Absorber, and you nerf the Absorber's stuff

Then you could hypothetically be able to sneak one more funny ability or stat or something into that

that's the literal only possible way

you'd have to nerf Absorber

[coral pewter]

Wait, you can get Absorber pre-Moon Lord?

I always thought it was post-Moon Lord

[regal canyon]

meld constructs and an ancient manipulator are all you need

well as highest tier

[coral pewter]

Huh

[regal canyon]

I've never actually put this accessory to use but it seems strong.

[scarlet musk]

Scorched Earth tweaks (yes i got donor permission)

Scorched Earth is one of my favorite launchers aesthetically. It's big, it's heavy, it's black and red and it means business. However, this launcher is lacking somewhat in terms of polish and animation, and it's generally not up to date in a few important ways. These are the main issues I have with it:

1. Firing sounds should play for each missile instead of just one. They have several sound effects and fire in bursts, so it's a little weird that only one sound effect is used for the whole burst.

2. Lacking some extra animation details like recoil, backblast smoke, updated explosion fx, etc. to put it on par with the other launchers

3. The rockets have a static speed, which sabotages their impact as big heavy missiles. This should be adjusted.

@novel belfry

[novel belfry]

hmmm

[scarlet musk]

what would you change

[novel belfry]

oh i found one thing

cut out "Maybe an extra little rework to go with it?"

[scarlet musk]

is this good now?

[novel belfry]

3rd point seems a bit meandering tbh and doesnt seem too interesting

[scarlet musk]

hmmm

i rearranged the sentences

[novel belfry]

oh thats why
3rd point is a wastebucket, it has a buncha changes in one point. I'm not even sure if it's necessary at all. That said, if you want it, you can just stick with "The missiles look heavy, and they should feel that way too."

1 and 2 seem fine actually

[scarlet musk]

doesn't the static acceleration one point out the problem better

[novel belfry]

Oh i see know

[scarlet musk]

maybe just remove "rocket types"

[novel belfry]

honestly
"The rockets statically accelerate, which sabotages their impact as a buncha big powerful missiles. This should be adjusted."

yea " Some unique interactions with rocket types would go a long way as well." should go

[novel belfry]

you can literally just take this and replace 3 with that, i give you permission to do this

[scarlet musk]

"The rockets have a static speed, which sabotages their impact as big heavy missiles. This should be adjusted."

[novel belfry]

wasnt it static acceleration

also post the sugg in #suggestions-posting, its perfectly fine to have the (edited) at the end

[scarlet musk]

kay

[novel belfry]

suggbot will just take it and plop it in #suggestions-voting anyways

anyways gtg

[scarlet musk]

well i specifically think the missiles should start slow and accelerate over time, and i wanna imply that

[scarlet musk]

later, thanks for the help

[ashen warren]

@scarlet musk did you show the donor all the changes proposed in this suggestion and they signed off on them?

[novel belfry]

oh shit

[ashen warren]

can't believe he fucking died

damn

[oblique birch]

Too soon 😢

[novel belfry]

I'm not adding a star to this one.

We can have both big baby dragon and small baby dragon

[glass arch]

you dont have to thats the magic of a voting system

[novel belfry]

normally i wouldnt be this blunt and just outright state it, but nah i just feel like it now

[ashen warren]

i'm vetoing this immediately. mcdonalds is fine /j

[frail fox]

Which dev can I pay to exclaim this

[oblique birch]

Wtf Sunny why are you a McDonalds fan

[novel belfry]

Ozzatron

[oblique birch]

Lost hope...

[novel belfry]

Ozzatron veto this suggestion and you will be reincarnated as one of Nameless Deity's lotus flower eyes

[indigo yacht]

"kill everyone" suggestion

[dense ferry]

I agree

[oblique birch]

Calamity Mod team is bought by McDonalds

This is bleak

[frail fox]

This honestly reads like a joke suggestion I’m sorry, trying to imagine a person who gets super confused over yharon pet lore

[glass arch]

fine sure but is it fine enough for a direct reference

[ashen warren]

the food is fine, but the pricing lately is ridiculous tbh

[glass arch]

happened in lore disc about 10 minutes ago

[novel belfry]

yknow this reminds me

[ashen warren]

yeah i honestly see a lot of confusion whether son of yharon is canon or not

and of course the obvious answer is "no, donor" but not everyone knows that or joins the discord to learn that

[glass arch]

wrong

mcnuggets isnt donor content

[ashen warren]

which one is donor again

[glass arch]

akato

forgotten dragon egg

[oblique birch]

McDonalds is actual stuff

[glass arch]

sorry i melded the names together and said son of akato

[oblique birch]

Not donor

[novel belfry]

you can tell because its a specific name for a character

[frail fox]

The question you have to ask it “are any pets canon” and then you realize that absolutely none are and none of the matters

[dense ferry]

I have thought about making it canon because I'm just tired of the question but like

It's just the voices talking

That'd be horrible

😭

[ashen warren]

why are they both son of yharon

who decided this

why

[indigo yacht]

fucking explain this then https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Pineapple_(calamity)

[frail fox]

Sons of Yharon

[oblique birch]

Yharon has 2 sons

Truthnuke

[glass arch]

WHY WAS MCNUGGETS ADDED AFTER AKATO

[frail fox]

My bad

You’re right

[ashen warren]

pineapple exists so you can have a pet of yharim's favorite pizza topping

[glass arch]

YOU ALREADY HAD A YHARON SON PET YOU DONT NEED ANOTHER 😭

[indigo yacht]

hate

[frail fox]

The only issue is that nugget is called son of yharon and not just nugget

[glass arch]

wrong his favorite topping is canonically potatoes

[indigo yacht]

honestly cooking i want to try that now

[dense ferry]

No that's potatoes

[glass arch]

space tried it once and iirc it was mid as hell

[novel belfry]

because they moved it off the minion

[ashen warren]

multiple things can go on pizza

[novel belfry]

which btw im suggesting about it

[indigo yacht]

i mean like i dont like pizza much so it would be hard to make it worse

[dense ferry]

Old Calamity had such a big problem of

"Noooo but this sprite is good........"

[indigo yacht]

Kill Everyone

everyone dying tomorrow

[dense ferry]

And then turns it into a stupid fucking shit

[misty lichen]

i think it would be funny if this suggestion mentioned the boycott as a reasoning

[novel belfry]

The what?

[frail fox]

Very impactful event

[indigo yacht]

I'm not allowed to say anything about sprites because i am an awful pixel artist, but my comment is implied i think

[lucid marsh]

Ok, nuke the nuggets

Or make them a minion again

[dense ferry]

I love "rework [shit item no one likes]"

[frail fox]

Also the idea that mcnuggets were an endorsement of McDonald’s or something is funny

[dense ferry]

(We will do that eventually)

However, funny thing

[novel belfry]

the sprite in question:

[dense ferry]

I was just talking about Soul Artifacts in Dev

[indigo yacht]

so true

[dense ferry]

Because I fucking hate them

[indigo yacht]

soul artifacts stupid as hell iirc

[oblique birch]

That's not even... og staff sprite

[glass arch]

i was genuinely debating putting the fact that they're trademarked as part of the reasoning

[dense ferry]

Soul Artifacts are literally repurposed boss summons with dogshit effects stapled onto them to not remove them

[novel belfry]

that is actually true tbh

[frail fox]

Calamity gets sued

[indigo yacht]

I've always hated dimensional soul artifact but I think eldritch and auric are ridiculous too

especially auric

[dense ferry]

Eldritch is the one I hate

[oblique birch]

Eldritch doesn't do shit

[indigo yacht]

eldritch is at least usable even if it's like the worst in slot option

[novel belfry]

Dimensional Soul Artifact is literally just nohit player's dream so i dont mind it

[dense ferry]

Auric Soul Artifact is the one I like the most because Actually Auric content is sorely lacking

[misty lichen]

we call these types of accessories stat shufflers usually

just add some fuckin stats and pretend like its cool

[dense ferry]

There is basically nothing AURIC in this game despite it being

The Single Most Powerful Thing On The Planet

[novel belfry]

oh lord i just looked back at cosmilite and immediately vomited upon seeing six melee weapons

[dense ferry]

So like, yeah Auric Soul Artifact can be made really cool and imo shouldn't really be rethemed all too much

[frail fox]

“Auric Soul Artifact” is funny in the context of new lore with how big of a deal they are

[indigo yacht]

not enough

[novel belfry]

this isnt even relevant to discussion i just got jumpscared by this

[dense ferry]

Dimensional Soul Artifact is meh I don't care about it

[novel belfry]

no wonder why they're nuking one of these next update

[dense ferry]

But Eldritch Soul Artifact?

ANNIHILATE

DESTROY

[frail fox]

DoG also drops 3

[dense ferry]

OBLITERATE

[glass arch]

crush

[indigo yacht]

i hate dsa it's like the lamest possible way to encourage nohitting, the only redeeming quality it has is the fact it's multiplicative damage

and i mean that purely from a "this is an interesting addition" not from a "this is worth using" standpoint

[dense ferry]

ELDRITCH SOUL ARTIFACT SUCKS SO MUCH ASS WHY IS IT ELDRITCH I HATE THAT WORD SO MUCH

LIKE I'M NOT EVEN KIDDING

THAT'S WHY I HATE IT

[indigo yacht]

i honestly don't know if dsa is any good

[ashen warren]

dm me the changes and i'll put it on my list. this really should take no time at all

[dense ferry]

BECAUSE THE WORD "ELDRITCH" IS MEANINGLESS

[frail fox]

Cultist

[lucid marsh]

Ok wait

[frail fox]

Deep meaning

[lucid marsh]

I think I have a peak idea

Just a sec I need to double check something

[glass arch]

1.2x damage is nothing to scoff at so yes it is worth

[frail fox]

Weird artifact….

[indigo yacht]

you take 15% more though which can be significant since you tend to take a lot later in the game

[ashen warren]

it's just a visual update for the most part and the rocket changes will take like. 5 minuetes

[indigo yacht]

idk

[glass arch]

multiplicative damage is fucking busted

[novel belfry]

Sinister artifact...

[indigo yacht]

i refuse to use it on principle alone

[indigo yacht]

it goes both ways

[dense ferry]

"Eldritch" is a word that lost all meaning because it literally just became "spoopy tentacle monster"

I hate it so much

[indigo yacht]

cthulhu soul artifact

can we add that

it's just moon lord legs in accessory form

[frail fox]

Defensive builds are broken so dsa downside is probably tolerable if you’re experienced at all idk

[glass arch]

1.2x on 200% damage boost is uh
~240% damage
and 200% damage bonus isnt that hard to get you can get it off like just reforges and set bonuses

[lucid marsh]

Ok, remove the auric soul artifact item and add its effect to yharim's gift

[indigo yacht]

can we blow up yharim's gift too

aka stat stick #500

[lucid marsh]

Or the other way around

[grim tusk]

@novel belfry already planned

[novel belfry]

o okay

fair

[grim tusk]

scheduled for rework too

[frail fox]

The

[oblique birch]

I love every bad items in the mod the community always resort to "delete" as their first and only option

[grim tusk]

ASA will eventually be in here

once I code it

[lucid marsh]

Ok wait even better idea

[grim tusk]

(yes i made that sprite, it will replace in CalTestHelpers next patch)

[indigo yacht]

❌ only to items i dislike

regardless of how good or bad they are

[glass arch]

rework or remove and sometimes something is just entirely lacking identity both functionally and conceptually

[indigo yacht]

i want slick cane dead

[grim tusk]

?????????

[glass arch]

and its not very easy to rework something at the conceptual level so onto the chopping block it goes

[grim tusk]

why

tbh even tho it was comedy broken the slick cane rework was a success since people like it

[indigo yacht]

i hate it

[oblique birch]

Good

[glass arch]

comedy broken is better than whatever the fuck it used to be

[oblique birch]

It will exist until the end of time

[indigo yacht]

I don't like money based weapons i think they're dumb and encourage annoying playstyles

i would also suggest to kill coin gun but that's a vanilla item

[lucid marsh]

Combine ASA, YG, and forgotten dragon egg into just one guaranteed Yharon drop, a dragon familiar that summons meteors and buffs your other dragons

[grim tusk]

well the point of slick cane is gambing (your life and money!)

[glass arch]

forgotten egg is donor content

[grim tusk]

ASA will be cool

[glass arch]

so no that wont happen

[grim tusk]

as for YG i forgot what it was planned to be

ASA will remind you of certain guy

[ashen warren]

i can dm you it if you want to know

[grim tusk]

sure

[frail fox]

Howl’s Heart

[grim tusk]

also thx for putting the ASA rework on Taiga, saves me some time

[grim tusk]

(and we all know Howl's Heart sucks)

even tho the movie is good

the item needs tweaks

[glass arch]

god i remember that thing from when i used antisocial for shits and giggles one run

it would just always resummon if i put it in a vanity slot so i got permanent light

[lucid marsh]

And make it buff any dragon minion instead of just that one specific one

Oh and ok fine, make it the mcnuggets one instead

[lucid marsh]

It's really not that similar. This one makes thematic sense, all the effects are related. It's more like fungal clump than anything else

[scarlet musk]

when are we gonna rename stealth to focus

[gilded citrus]

Its not just gonna be a rename but also some changes to how it works

[scarlet musk]

is there somewhere you can send me where it's all written out

i vaguely remember reading about it a while ago

[gilded citrus]

Id bet the spoiler document in spoiler chat has it down somewhere

[scarlet musk]

ty

[keen zodiac]

correct

[crude geode]

How many times are we going to have this scorched earth suggestion

[worn elk]

scorched earth operation

[lucid marsh]

I'd like to point out that an auric dragon could still have a child if it was a draconic offshoot (so just a non auric dragon really)

But it should still be removed anyways

[north oracle]

Every 2 weeks till it reaches dev and instantly gets 🔒 /j

[crude geode]

[coral carbon]

its like "cozy"

[last bane]

I feel like there should be changes to cnidrion

thoughts

like give him a very rare drop or something

[humble scarab]

He already have good enough drops

[indigo yacht]

uh huh

[idle dagger]

Cnidrion is becoming a mini boss proper next update I’m pretty sure

[gritty plaza]

as long as he spawns less i'm happy

every time i try to cross the desert i just get stabbed thirty seven times in the chest by Water

[keen zodiac]

no more naturally spawning

it'll have its own little thing

and yes

be an actual miniboss

[gritty plaza]

nice

[keen zodiac]

for real this time

[teal yarrow]

hey i got a question

why aer blood samples and rotten matter only used to craft the loot that the bosses themselves drop

i get that armor or gears is pointless because of aerialite but i feel like they have literally no purpose other than to avoid fighting their respective bosses

[indigo yacht]

i don't think there's a good answer to that

it's just

something that someone decided to do without a whole lot of logic to back it

[drowsy plank]

one of them will prolly be dying, either the bag drops or the material

[keen zodiac]

bag drops please

[drowsy plank]

actually i supposed it could be both if the purported retier happens

since i cant imagine those weapons being post-ML realistically

[keen zodiac]

cal has 500 billion too many bag drops

i'm looking directly at you pbg

[teal yarrow]

its a nice idea to keep the special material drop concept but i just wish they had a tad bit more useage

[indigo yacht]

all plague items are now pbg drops

crafting recipes are no more

[keen zodiac]

[teal yarrow]

the plague is a nice concept to make the late-game more interesting but i feel like it doesnt get much attention either

if only they would rework the cool biomes such as astral infection, plagued jungle or even abyss

these are all such cool concepts but with not much useage

[keen zodiac]

astral will get a significant glowup at some point after crags

[teal yarrow]

damn i forgot crags even existed

[keen zodiac]

and abyss will also be tweaked a little

about the plagued jungle

just see

[teal yarrow]

aight

[indigo yacht]

something something "all problems will be solved in nondescript biome update #7000 in 6078"

[keen zodiac]

🙂‍↕️

[teal yarrow]

"granite biomes will now get its own boss that is completely unnecessary in every context"

"marble caves will get another worm boss"

[crude geode]

[gritty plaza]

Has someone already suggested swapping the space and sunken sea labs?

[keen zodiac]

many times i think

[gritty plaza]

Oh lol

[keen zodiac]

you can do it again tho

[indigo yacht]

clueless
#suggestions-voting message

[gritty plaza]

Bruh

Two years old tho

This can be a bump at least

[echo leaf]

Seahorse Scrutiny is real

[flint ocean]

What if worm bosses body segments only had one hitbox for the entire body segments so it counts as single target with a shared health pool and then have a custom hitbox overlapping the segments to make sure it still properly acted like a worm bosses so it actually makes worm bosses somewhat respectable (obviously reduced health after tho) (head and tail will be unchanged)

[drowsy plank]

polarities moment

[gritty plaza]

Don't worms already do that?

[drowsy plank]

no

[gritty plaza]

Unless I'm misreading it

[indigo yacht]

i mean, it already got accepted

[gritty plaza]

The Destroyer only has one health pool right?

[keen zodiac]

💔

[drowsy plank]

they're talking about doing a convective wanderer type deal

[echo leaf]

NOOOOO

[keen zodiac]

my exact reaction

[indigo yacht]

seahorse scrutiny sucks

sorry not sorry

[keen zodiac]

ten thousand gauss nukes

[indigo yacht]

for free?

[drowsy plank]

how would you even turn a 17 second clip into a full song like it isn't even fitting for the enemy

[drowsy plank]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci4K93AKRa4

[flint ocean]

No

[errant wren]

you get me to do it, obviously

[drowsy plank]

anyway convective wanderer took like a whole custom library to do this shit so i dont think it will be happening anytime soon

[gritty plaza]

I'm confused then what you mean by this

[drowsy plank]

VESSEL JUST WATCH THE VIDEO

[gritty plaza]

Like Destroyer does have one health pool right?

Oh 😭

I'll do that when I can

[drowsy plank]

aight

[gritty plaza]

Hen probably feel stupid

[flint ocean]

This is basically the idea

yeah

Im assuming someone already suggested this tho

[drowsy plank]

i dont think so but also that is way out of scope for a suggestion

[dense locust]

no way thanatos but good

[drowsy plank]

LOL

[dense locust]

ik fables scourge does something similar so it might not be that bad

[drowsy plank]

huh, really?

then i could see it, but again, i dont know if that sort of thing can be a suggestion

if other people have done it then maybe

[errant wren]

didn't infernum also do it for eow

i could be wrong and/or confused

[keen zodiac]

yeah

they did

[gritty plaza]

Ok but fr what is going on

I am so confused

[errant wren]

basically

[gritty plaza]

You hit the boss and it deals damage and the boss's health goes down 😭

[errant wren]

shared hitbox for all the segments

so that pierce doesn't do as much

[gritty plaza]

Ooooooooghhhhhh

[drowsy plank]

segments are dead!!!!!!!

it is just one hitbox like any other boss

[gritty plaza]

Yeah that makes sense

[errant wren]

it was probably the wording

[gritty plaza]

Finally destroyer can live more than 0.5 seconds

[flint ocean]

it would be like a semi rework in a way, i personally think the main issue with this is making sure the new overlap hitbox when the worm curls up so it doesn't have jank to it, such as poking out and stuff or unraveling but, there should be a obvious solution to that if i knew more about programming.

[drowsy plank]

well a boss rework would be out of scope for a suggestion

[indigo yacht]

im just saying all it would take to remove destroyer would just be to delete a couple files and make the spawn item inaccessible

wouldn't exactly be hard

[flint ocean]

True, It kinda would have to be more of a design philosophy

[errant wren]

would be interesting to have the idea considered, if it weren't for that

[errant wren]

hardcoded in spaghetti code

[indigo yacht]

well ok I'm ignoring the vanilla effects of only having 2 mechs but effectively removing a boss isn't actually that hard

[flint ocean]

lol what?

[indigo yacht]

i am a certified destroyer hater

[echo leaf]

we all are

[indigo yacht]

<3

[flint ocean]

I mean they way you can interpret it the boss still acts the same it just is a numbers and logic tweak, the kill times are just to line up with other bosses. and also could potentially reduce lag from on hit spawn projectiles?? cough ASTRUM DEUS cough + vulcanite lance = freeze 20 seconds

[flint ocean]

ment to reply to this lol

[errant wren]

i mean

that's what

[indigo yacht]

"what if we made worm bosses even more boring by removing the only nuance they have going for them"

i am almost a certified worm boss hater aswell

im taking my certification exam in a month ‼️

[errant wren]

congratulations

[indigo yacht]

thanks so much

[errant wren]

wait that means you've been hating without certification

[indigo yacht]

im doing an internship

for practice

[errant wren]

tell it to the judge

[indigo yacht]

who

[errant wren]

me

[flint ocean]

big wow!

[indigo yacht]

oh ok

if evil 2 gets moved to post moon lord

can the tumors still spawn preboss please

that would be so funny

[drowsy plank]

if you think having segments is nuance you are sorely mistaken

the nuance of every single one of them behaving exactly the same and getting spawnkilled by any pierce whatsoever

truly bespoke game design

[indigo yacht]

i feel like "piercing weapon does better than not piercing weapon it would usually do worse than" counts as nuance

[drowsy plank]

piercing weapons would still do good on them look at aureus and leviathan

it just means they would stop exploding

[indigo yacht]

I didn't say that segments were good i just said that they had the one redeeming quality regarding worm boss design

[indigo yacht]

which is this

I'd rather just worms die

[drowsy plank]

this is true about them dying but your point isnt even true

piercing weapons have normal iframes enemies are supposed to use which is why they're still good on bosses like aureus and leviathan bc they have large hitboxes but not segments

that's what this would do to worms

[indigo yacht]

i disagree and don't want to argue about this

[drowsy plank]

this isnt a disagreement thing this is a mechanical engine thing

[indigo yacht]

i genuinely don't care please leave me be

[drowsy plank]

enemies with large single hitboxes are still weak to pierce they just dont crumple to it like worms

[cinder karma]

i'm new to ts so enlighten me please why are people this obsessed over the scorched earth?

i've seen literally like 5 suggestions on it already

[fleet grotto]

(they're all by the same person)

they just want it to be cooler iguess

[cinder karma]

they should get a life wtf

[hybrid snow]

Harsh

[cinder karma]

true nonetheless

[fleet grotto]

?

[cinder karma]

?

like she's literally obsessing over a single weapon for a year now @scarlet musk wtf

[indigo yacht]

imagine harassing someone over a suggestion

[hybrid snow]

Me personally I'm obsessed over boss rush 🫃 doesn't mean I need to be hounded for genuinely wanting a change 😭

How strange of you

[frail mantle]

there was no need to say this

[cinder karma]

imagine obsessing over a single weapon for a year

[cinder karma]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-gif-6891886407904187638

[indigo yacht]

unpleasant user

[frail mantle]

imagine insulting people online over terraria mod suggestions

be nicer

[cinder karma]

if getting a life is an insult to you then you should consider doing the same your majesty

[glass arch]

no like that objectively is an insult and it is used as an insult

dont try to argue that it isnt

[frail mantle]

i would definitely read "get a life" as an insult yes

😁

[glass arch]

you used it as one knowing damn well that everybody knows its an insult

[cinder karma]

that's advice🤓 ☝️

[glass arch]

oh well then heres some advice

shut up and go outside leave the internet forever

[cinder karma]

i personally consider this hate speech ts

[frail mantle]

okay i don't think that was necessary either

[glass arch]

it definitely wasnt

[cinder karma]

forget this btw you seem like a decent dude at the second glance

[cinder karma]

so we are the same then and you should do the same?

[indigo yacht]

i hate this channel

[frail mantle]

either way just don't tell people to get a life over something as inconsequentual as suggesting for an item to be improved several times

now stop arguing

[cinder karma]

"several times"

https://tenor.com/view/sus-cat-2-suspicious-cat-the-cat-looks-suspiciously-cat-sits-in-front-of-food-the-ginger-cat-is-watching-gif-14890167989997543813

[frail mantle]

what

[cinder karma]

6 times over the span of a year

[indigo yacht]

oh not once every two months

such a crazy obsession

[hybrid snow]

How are you still going on about this 😭

[indigo yacht]

when im obsessed with something i only bring it up bimonthly

[cinder karma]

js seeing where this would bring me

[hybrid snow]

What a strange vendetta to have

[frail mantle]

it's gonna bring you to be punted into the sun if you keep going

now drop it

[cinder karma]

exactly, i'm making fun of her obsession over a weapon

[cinder karma]

😔

[cinder karma]

forget this

[hybrid snow]

This is weird!❤️

[cinder karma]

that's what i'm sayin

❤️

[glass arch]

i dont think you understand what it means to be obsessed with something in the first place

[frail mantle]

this convo sucks

[glass arch]

i agree

[cinder karma]

bootlicka

[frail mantle]

i'm giving you all one chance to stop

[hybrid snow]

Have there been any suggestions posted (recently if at all) about removing the malice AI from boss rush?

[crude geode]

Boss rush is kind of in a weird spot iirc

[glass arch]

everybody collectively ignores boss rush so no

[hybrid snow]

💔

[indigo yacht]

I've been trying to tell him

or them, sorry

[hybrid snow]

I don't ignore it ❤️

It's him lol

[indigo yacht]

okay

[hybrid snow]

This is why I'm kinda hesitant because I'm not sure if it's like, even worth doing? In the grand scheme of the mod it just seems like not enough people do boss rush and it's ultimately an entirely selfish suggestion because I just really don't like the malice AI 🇸

[crude geode]

Pretty much the only thing being done with it is the music which. isn’t a great sign.

[hybrid snow]

Ah that's fun

[indigo yacht]

i wish the music didn't exist

boss rush literally can't be removed because the music is too good

[hybrid snow]

No this is a good thing it means there's incentive to make it not terrible

If only for the music to not be wasted

[indigo yacht]

i don't think that this is possible with the way that terraria works

this isn't hollow knight

it's much too free-form

[hybrid snow]

Listen I didn't say great or even good I just said not terrible 😭

[frail fox]

There’s definitely some cool things you could do

[hybrid snow]

But removing the malice ai would just be the most obvious first step in making it better

[frail fox]

It’d take a lot of effort and isn’t worth doing currently but it’s possible

No harm in suggesting to remove obvious bad parts of it right now though

[hybrid snow]

Yeah I'll write something up in the morning 🥸

[indigo yacht]

from what I've seen, it would mostly just be changing all the ai checks to just have boss rush act like death mode and deleting what it used to do

ofc you'd have to do it to every boss which would take a while but it wouldn't be difficult per se i don't think

[frail fox]

I’m mostly talking about some ideas I saw before that’d take a lot more effort than that and would probably do things like maybe a couple synced up bosses at once

Which is just, wait for most boss ais to get changed atp

[hybrid snow]

Yeah it really does need a full rework to make it truly good but that's definitely just too much work rn lol

[frail fox]

Making it not be the worst thing ever is the only goal it should have rn

[hybrid snow]

Agreed

[indigo yacht]

cant wait for fighting the sentinels alongside dog to be readded

[hybrid snow]

Truly a choice of all time to have kept malice ai in boss rush

Across all difficulties no less

[hybrid snow]

Peak...

[gilded citrus]

Replace it with master death ai

[hybrid snow]

Ah yes malice 2

Still an improvement

[gilded citrus]

Skeletron prime now spawns every boss

In boss rush

[tiny minnow]

But not boss-rushified.

The normal version

[crude geode]

In regards to the latest suggestion, I think you can argue you this point of “which one should be first” back and forth, over and over

[gritty plaza]

Considering it already passed and was approved I might delete it

Though it has been 2 years and it's not been implemented, and surely it can't be that hard to swap 2 items between structures

[crude geode]

If it’s been two years just like ping cit or something /j

[gritty plaza]

@​ozzatron

[crude geode]

[gritty plaza]

D:

[hearty yew]

Was I ghost pinged?

[gritty plaza]

oh wait did that ping actually go through

it wasn't meant to sorry

i thought putting a backslash before the @ made it not ping but apparently it does

[glass arch]

no i think it doesnt ping but it still shows the notif for whatever reason

[gritty plaza]

Oh that's bizaare

[scarlet musk]

cause it's a good suggestion :3

me when im an asshole for no reason

but anyway i made the suggestions over the course of like 7 months and forgot about it in between. plus sunny actually saw it and put it on their list of weapon reworks

so like

call me whatever you want but it worked lol

🤷‍♀️

[cinder karma]

me when i'm insulting people online for no reason

[crude geode]

You were already told to stop this yknow

[cinder karma]

not just me💔

[river lily]

insulting people online for no reason

look inside

💔

[cinder karma]

i'm a hypocrite

i don't consider this bad

[scarlet musk]

sad loser 🚨

[novel belfry]

boo

[crude geode]

I was looking at them at some point and yeah, exos and cryo’s are definitely standouts

[novel belfry]

okay gimme a sec

[misty lichen]

weren’t most of the bad ones straight removed

scal and provs are just gone

idk who else has one

[novel belfry]

Bosses with just Color Overlays:

• Yharon
• Devourer of Gods earlier on in his fight. He HAS TWO OF THESE that he swaps between. (under Death Mode)

Bosses with black backgrounds alongside Color Overlays

• Leviathan (Anahita does not have this, if you kill Leviathan first, the effect goes away)
• Plaguebringer Goliath
• Cal Clone
• Devourer of Gods later on in his fight. (Always on during Death Mode)

Bosses with unique screen effects:

• Cryogen (Aurorae)
• Exo Mechs (Gray background with thunder)
• SCal (It's a black background, sure, but it also comes with embers that apparently change as the fight goes.)

[misty lichen]

oh yeah dog

[crude geode]

DoG is the most egregious

imo

[misty lichen]

i liked it when death mode makes the background always black for some reason

[frail fox]

Ancient effect

Like most of dog but still

[misty lichen]

its like if exoblade just had a worse sprite on only death mode

[crude geode]

At least with Yharon it’s consistent. Dog it just snaps between the two colors

[novel belfry]

I was going to add a line at the end pointing out how cool it would be if DoG had a really sick cosmic background like Astralgeldon in Catalyst

[oblique birch]

Embers are literally Scal's screen effects

[novel belfry]

but i felt that was too much

Ambers?

[oblique birch]

Why you saying it like it's a minor thing

[crude geode]

Embers I think

[novel belfry]

imo removing colors from Scal actually detracted from the atmosphere

like it doesnt feel that intense

[oblique birch]

???

[crude geode]

New sand SCal

[novel belfry]

like this is a massive hot take i'll admit

[tepid crown]

the dog one is incorrect

[misty lichen]

removing the color filters was definitely necessary but there was nothing put in their place

[tepid crown]

it switches to show the ai change, and death mode removes it by making it always black, instead of alternate between purple and blue

[misty lichen]

and now visibility for prov fights is really bad

[oblique birch]

Dude the Embers has different intensity, color, how it flows and explode under certain phase and between phas transitions and also to the music

[novel belfry]

yeah i noted that too

[novel belfry]

oh, really?

[cinder karma]

moooods

[novel belfry]

(Ignore the guy above)

[tepid crown]

yharhar but that ones been planned to be removed

[oblique birch]

Wtf were you doing in Scal's fight? Like the embers explosion with the phase 3 drop and Scal shield explodes is like, the most noticable thing ever

[novel belfry]

(he will be baked inshallah)

i mean, i havent fought that version yet regrettably

actually yknow what

im gonna do exactly that now

[oblique birch]

[cinder karma]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-gif-6891886407904187638

[novel belfry]

since clearly i am not informed enough on this

[oblique birch]

Use like a non obstructive weapon or something

[crude geode]

I feel like cryo getting a more unique background puts a bad taste on the other hardmode ones

[tepid crown]

true

[crude geode]

Not to say they were ever really like. good. But at least exos being the significant background change made sense. Cryogen sets the precedent that any boss can and should have a better background

If it’s going to have a screen overlay, ofc

[oblique birch]

Old Duke is getting new screen effect is what we know for next update

Don't know about Providence

[crude geode]

least deserving boss to get it

[indigo yacht]

they should remove all bosses

[frail fox]

Also the gravity effects that come with them

[indigo yacht]

then no more need for screen effects

duh

[crude geode]

[tepid crown]

i feel like provi doesnt rlly need one due to holy inferno being properly visualised

[oblique birch]

I mean both Old Duke and Providence got visual update, we just don't know if Providence gets a new screen effect from that

[tepid crown]

pbg has one cuz uhhhhhh

yeah

[oblique birch]

Because we know Old Duke has it

[scarlet musk]

i usually just don't fight old duke tbh

it's never been fun to me

[novel belfry]

I mean, if you find that unfun, you'd hate Infernum Old Duke

I genuinely despise that boss more than Infernum DoG

[oblique birch]

Calamity addons generally make Old Duke has super sonic speed dash for some reasons

It's kinda uncanny

[grizzled dome]

This is a bit odd but I really like the current schematic ordering. If you go to space first, as is plausible, you get something saying "hey, you should go to the sunken sea", which is a good way to point people to discovering the sunken sea and drawing their attention there.

[oblique birch]

Sunken Sea should has much more presence in the next update

I mean just from the size alone it's getting like much much bigger

[grizzled dome]

yes, and that's good once the person is already there. This is a thing that points people towards there from the outside.

...but yeah if it's bigger people are more likely to run into the biome accidentally. Nevertheless, I support more signposting.

[oblique birch]

I think a while ago a similar suggestion already got accepted I think

[grizzled dome]

I think it might have and I disliked it then too.

[novel belfry]

if we were more railroady i'd probably just add a miniboss to each biocenter that can only be activated with the previous schematic

i.e.
Find the Sunken Sea Schematic, and use that to gain access to a Miniboss in the Planetoid Biocenter that must be defeated to gain access to the loot in the Planetoid's chests

like lock the chests until you beat the miniboss and gain its key or something

this is not going to hold up but i thought this was funny

[grizzled dome]

The schematics themselves are already locked, so there's some linearity that way.

Honestly I think the progression system itself is pretty good? It has good signposting; each one tells you where the previous one is if you find them out of order, and tells you where the next one is if you read through the lore document. And they serve as a way to guide intended progression order for general play by saying what order you should visit the biomes in, without forcing anything.

Say what you will about the rewards of the schematics, but the delivery mechanism seems good. And making the sunken sea the first one really helps route people to it.

[novel belfry]

also please rework charging caldevs

this system just isnt fun to play with

[grizzled dome]

yeah it makes me just not want to use the weapons.

[gritty plaza]

i just place charging stations down when i get them and don't touch them until i need to decode a schematic

[grizzled dome]

I honestly like the decoding. It's a very satisfying mechanic for the same portion of my brain which really likes scanning stuff in Thaumcraft aka the autism. It's just what you get after doing the decoding which doesn't feel exciting.

[glass arch]

from what i remember of the decoding it takes a bit too long for my liking

[grizzled dome]

eh, that's fair. You're supposed to plug it in and go do something else and come back later, I guess?

[glass arch]

if thats the case why bother with the slowly deciphering the random text

[ashen warren]

that is the idea behind it, yes

[crude geode]

Cool visual

[grizzled dome]

It makes it feel like the codebreaker is doing something while it's running?

[glass arch]

i dont remember exactly how long each of them takes but it felt like a weird in between of too long for you to just sit there and read it as it goes but not long enough for you to have time to fully go and do something in the meanwhile

[willow widget]

make decoding like alex's caves

spelunker tablets go hard

[tardy geyser]

Yeah its like 3 minutes iirc, leaves you thinking what do i do with this short amount of time? I wish it was longer lol

YES alexs caves is peak!

[glass arch]

this is true

also lets draedonese be real ingame

[scarlet musk]

should i make a suggestion to have PBG's plague nukes actually explode

like using the explosion from the Hive

[gritty plaza]

when you say "actually explode" do you mean breaking blocks?

[scarlet musk]

no

like emit an explosion when they hit a block

[gritty plaza]

oh

[lucid marsh]

Yeah it's weird that the obviously missile themed projectile just acts like bullets

[tiny minnow]

Kaboom

[fleet grotto]

i want to make a suggestion but icant quite word the reasoning

Like, i kinda think the (amount of) buffs that are more potent at certain times should be cut down

like bloom stone

i think giving the player a notable advantage for performing such a basic task as Using Cosmolight isn't good but I'm struggling to put it into words

[indigo yacht]

Rework time-based bonuses

something something make it more interesting than using cosmolight

tbh I'm not really sure where the issue is

at worst they're boring but like I don't see the problem with a time-based strategy, it limits your advantages to a certain timeframe and even god awful bloom stone still takes up an entire accessory slot

[errant wren]

part of me kind of wants to say that the time-based bonuses should happen throughout boss fights, if that makes sense

like they have the effects outside of battle, but then go on a timer during boss fights

[dense ferry]

We've discussed this a lot before actually but we're currently unsure what to do with it

Cosmolight is one of those things that WILL make people angry if it's changed too significantly, but it's also just extremelly unhealthy to the game

We're basically Prometheus here

[indigo yacht]

welcome back moonlight and daylight

[dense ferry]

We gave people fire, but we shouldn't have done so

[errant wren]

cosmolight should gradually increase the speed of time and then slow down to the next "checkpoint"

[indigo yacht]

(the people became obsessed with arson and continued to eat food raw)

[dense ferry]

My opinion of what should be done with Cosmolight is quite radical

In my opinion? It should be retiered to Post ML and consume an amount of Souls of Light and Night to activate

[errant wren]

yeah the community would be up in arms if that happened

[drowsy plank]

yeah that is uh
radical

[dense ferry]

One small problem

Mechs

If the Mechs didn't exist I would be willing to do that in a heartbeat

Calclone is the only other time-based Boss after them and that's almost certainly dying

Well, also EoL but

[indigo yacht]

i like the idea of it using consumables

[dense ferry]

But as we all know, Mechs are an infamous difficulty bump in Cal. That's probably going to change in the future, however they would still be obnoxious to fight for new players if they always had to go to sleep after that

[errant wren]

darksun fragments

[indigo yacht]

would force people to use it more methodically if they didn't want to make some stupid farm

explode

[dense ferry]

However

I remember someone suggesting a way to lock time in Cal

Which

Would solve the Mechs issue

Infact I honestly think that we could unironically just make Cosmolight be a time locker lmao

[errant wren]

retheme it to the sands of time

[indigo yacht]

let it pause time for however long and then when you unpause it has a week long cooldown

‼️

[errant wren]

right click in inventory item

[dense ferry]

Eh I think it'd be fine to, in that case, make it not have any limits

[errant wren]

permanent blood moon

[indigo yacht]

(like enchanted sundial9

[dense ferry]

The thing with Cosmolight skipping time is that it leads to some exploits, SPECIALLY with Quests we're adding

But if it locks time, then

[errant wren]

(that'd be a fun challenge, maybe)

[dense ferry]

That's not a thing anymore

Cosmolight locking time still makes sure that when you need to be on a specific period of time to do something, you can do it just fine

So the Mechs issue is solved

[errant wren]

herbs also shouldn't grow so you can't exploit timestop on the conditions

eh maybe not

[indigo yacht]

how would you exploit that

[dense ferry]

That's the best thing about making Cosmolight a time stop

[errant wren]

it was the only thing that came to mind for some reason and i'm realizing that's like the least exploitable thing

[dense ferry]

It still fulfills the main purpose people use it for

But it doesn't allow people to exploit the fuck out of it

[errant wren]

we should do that

or well

you guys should do that

[dense ferry]

I already suggested it in Dev lmao

[errant wren]

good

i loathe cosmolight

[dense ferry]

It's kind of a necessary evil, really, but it still shouldn't exist

It's the bigger evil between it and Mech Bosses becoming a slog to fight through

But both of them are still very big evils

[errant wren]

(real talk though, i still like the accelerating time idea, but that should be post-ml)

[indigo yacht]

the nefarious enchanted dials:

[errant wren]

the nefarious shut up:

[indigo yacht]

the nefarious 🐈

[dense ferry]

I do think we should have a Sundial upgrade yeah

[indigo yacht]

quick time event that allows you to immediately get rid of the cooldown after using it

[errant wren]

that can be the cosmolight upgrade

[glass arch]

that creates a big issue of

time locks arent time locks anymore

[dense ferry]

Wdym?

[glass arch]

if you freeze time you're no longer on a timer for bosses like mechs

[dense ferry]

Is that a bad thing?

[glass arch]

can you not just remove the time enrage?

[errant wren]

counterpoint: enrage timers if it really is that bad

[dense ferry]

Yeah

[errant wren]

because if you hit that timer, well that's just a "not having damage" or skill issue

[dense ferry]

The timer is long enough that if somehow fail to meet it, yeah

I have managed to beat Mechs with half the night remaining sometimes

[errant wren]

the whole idea is just still accomplishing the goal of cosmolight without the skipping

[glass arch]

it would be much better to just slightly buff sundial and moondial and make them more accessible than to have a method that circumvents time enrages and then also circumvent said time enrage circumvention

[dense ferry]

Calamity without Cosmolight is sadly not healthy

[errant wren]

that is inherently the problem of cosmolight, yeah

[dense ferry]

Because the Mech Bosses would be a slog to grind through otherwise

[indigo yacht]

?

[errant wren]

and everyone knows that fishing doesn't exist

[dense ferry]

Calamity with Cosmolight is not healthy either

[novel belfry]

I mean, you could just make them not care for daytime.

[dense ferry]

Both scenarios are bad

[glass arch]

is it not possible to. remove their time based enrage and nighttime only summon

[errant wren]

daytime enrages...

[novel belfry]

I sincerely cannot think of any lore reason as to why the Mech Bosses HAVE to be summoned in daytime and enrage in it

like

[fleet grotto]

(same with deus)

[indigo yacht]

does there have to be a lore reason for everything

[novel belfry]

they're MECHS! WITH SOULS! Why does this preclude them from sunlight

[dense ferry]

It's a carry over from Vanilla that I would rather not remove

[glass arch]

yadda yadda people generally dont give a shit about not having cosmolight in pre hardmode

[novel belfry]

He's a space dude. I think he likes space and hates that the Sun blocks all the starlight

[errant wren]

because the souls are vampires, obviously

[fleet grotto]

while i don't think it's a good reasoning ican accept this

now how about aureus

[novel belfry]

That's a good question

[glass arch]

but why? if everyone agrees that it makes it suck to fight them without using a specific item to circumvent the progression of time, why shouldnt it be removed

[novel belfry]

(Maybe it could do with how Astral Infection just changes it to nighttime when you're in it)

(which im actually not sure how it does that)

(like i can guess why Mushroom Surface does that, that its super glowy)

[glass arch]

the issue im seeing here is specifically with the daytime enrage and forced nighttime summoning

which are things you can change on your own without the bandaid of slapping on a time freeze or instant timeskip

[indigo yacht]

honestly i wouldnt mind making time-based bosses summonable while enraged

that might be fun

[dense ferry]

Idk I think turning Cosmolight into a timestop is literally the best way of solving everything because it solves the issue of Cosmolight making the game 500 quadrillion times faster, but still has a functionality to allow any time-based grinding to become far more bearable

[errant wren]

and that is true

[novel belfry]

It would be genuinely fun if that happens

[errant wren]

some people would rather not fight skeletron prime with an enrage

because uh

it might be slow

[glass arch]

also timefreeze would break seasonal moons and blood moon and eclipse ending which is a lot bigger of an issue than mechs

[errant wren]

i did jokingly say permanent blood moon...

[fleet grotto]

couldn't you just. Make it not happen during certain events

[indigo yacht]

i dont see how it breaks eclipse or blood moon

[errant wren]

would it be fair to add an arbitrary cooldown on the cosmolight if you die during the timestop, that also prevents timestop

[indigo yacht]

couldn't you just

[fleet grotto]

Like it doesn't work during bosses

[indigo yacht]

turn it off

[dense ferry]

I mean if you freeze time during those events that's

Entirely on you

[indigo yacht]

the moons though are a bit weird bc of the wave system

[glass arch]

which then runs into the issue of why its a timestop in the first place

[hearty hamlet]

Would make blood orb farming afk

[idle dagger]

Me when I pause time so the travelling merchant becomes a new permanent Npc for the rest of my run

[dense ferry]

Eh we'll probably change how Blood Orbs work one day anyways. Besides, that's plenty doable with Cosmolight anyways

[idle dagger]

Travel no more

[dense ferry]

It requires 2 clicks every 5 minutes

[novel belfry]

Wait, what?

[errant wren]

moons and eclipse could ramp up in difficulty the longer timestop is active

[dense ferry]

[glass arch]

the issue is not that you cannot skip to night, the issue is the fact that time based enrages sucks

[hearty hamlet]

True, but you still have to be their to skip to night at 4:30

[glass arch]

if time is frozen that means none of them end

[hearty hamlet]

wrong there 😔

[novel belfry]

Oh I thought that was a bug

[dense ferry]

Also yes I know, you've said your piece, but I think it's better to build around that issue than to entirely uproot it because I don't want to be destructive of Vanilla

[indigo yacht]

why

[dense ferry]

Yes, Cal is very destructive of Vanilla already but that's something I want to change in the future

[errant wren]

to kill the player

[indigo yacht]

waiter, less random ass vanilla changes please!

[dense ferry]

Also yeah like, Moon events don't end, again that's

Entirely up to you

If you decide to make an endless Blood Moon ok cool

[glass arch]

trying to circumvent a system by making a new system that then has another system to function the same as the previous system is far more effort than changing the initial system

[indigo yacht]

whar

[dense ferry]

It's really not when the new system also allows for more stuff and still fits a place into the Mod

[errant wren]

compatibility

[dense ferry]

Also that

[novel belfry]

Eh. Another mod could do just this.

[errant wren]

[indigo yacht]

go my hero's mod

for what it's worth I'd appreciate a built in way to do it bc i like cheat sheet better !

[idle dagger]

Cosmilight being time stop instead of time control is probably fine since I can still use it for the main things I use it for

Except for skipping through fishinf quests which is 1984 now I have to be patient again )m

[dense ferry]

Yes that's exactly why I want to change it

[glass arch]

mechs can only be summoned during the night and enrage outside of it

so theres a time freeze that makes it so it can always be night

but because theres a time freeze theres no incentive to have any form of real damage

so a timer is added that enrages the bosses once a certain amount of time has passed

in the end the only thing that has functionally changed is that you no longer have to wait to refight the boss

[dense ferry]

[idle dagger]

I figured

[dense ferry]

I'm 1984'ing skipping Quest wait times because we'll have our own Quests

And they will have significantly better rewards than 5 Master Bait

[idle dagger]

That’s super understandable yeah

Wait the quests would be day by day based? Interesting

[novel belfry]

Hang on, Triangle's idea for a Old Duke replacement was to have some dragon that was using the Auric Soul of Ice to literally freeze time to extend their life. I think you could legit tie this item to that dude.

[idle dagger]

Oh you mean fishing quests

[indigo yacht]

i don't the problem when the alternative is
vastly subverting player expectations and demolishing mod compatibility

[idle dagger]

For some reason I thought of other Npc quests

[dense ferry]

No I mean other NPC Quests

[idle dagger]

Oh okay

[dense ferry]

[idle dagger]

I didn’t expect them to be day by day based but interesting

[dense ferry]

Making it real time based would be

💀

And would probably break the game in half in Multiplayer

[errant wren]

can't wait for amidas daily beach cleanup quest

[idle dagger]

I just assumed it would be doing 1 quest immediately allows you to do the next but I think waiting is fine
Probably fits much more lore wise I’m sure

[dense ferry]

Oh no you can do that

Thing is

You can repeat Quests infinitely too

[idle dagger]

OH

[dense ferry]

Every Quest has their own timer

[idle dagger]

that I did not expect

Oh that’s kinda awesome what

[errant wren]

is the plan to also make them vary in availability

[dense ferry]

Wdym?

[errant wren]

that would be kinda neat

[idle dagger]

I assume some quests will have a one time unique reward and then some solid rewards you can get infinitely?

[dense ferry]

Like, how long they take to come back or how many you can do before a Cooldown?

[errant wren]

oh like different times, moon phases, happiness, etc.

[glass arch]

anyways if calamity takes the stance of "this is something better suited to a different mod" why not take that stance and apply it to old things that people (mainly devs) simply do not want to have to worry about because its unhealthy for it to be there

[dense ferry]

That is not something that will be in Amidias, but it could be used for future NPCs honestly

[dense ferry]

That's like, exactly what we've been doing

😭

[errant wren]

it was an example but can we please get beach cleanup quest it would be so funny

[dense ferry]

Fabsol was very adamant about not allowing the "quality of life" of Calamity to be balanced, now that he is gone we can actually look at shit like Cosmolight

[glass arch]

then why not remove cosmolight. as you said yourself, it being in the game is unhealthy

[errant wren]

the community will shatter

[dense ferry]

Because removing it would also be unhealthy

It would make grinding attempts at Mech Bosses a slog

[glass arch]

plus vanilla already has options that function as budget cosmolight

[dense ferry]

• Any other time-based activity

[idle dagger]

I don’t particularly want to have to wait until nighttime again for empress

Etc

[errant wren]

frankly not a lot of people are willing to fish for enchanted dials

[idle dagger]

I think timestop sounds like a good middle ground

[novel belfry]

Clearly the mech bosses should stop time during their fights

[glass arch]

which is planned to have new obtainment methods that isnt exclusively fishing

[novel belfry]

[idle dagger]

Because of the fishing changes you get all the components of the shellphone in 14 fishing quests in calamity

[glass arch]

iirc it was discussed that one of amidias quests would give sundial as a reward

[idle dagger]

So I don’t really mind waiting to do 14 fishinf quests manually

[dense ferry]

I did not put Sundial there

[errant wren]

wait have i been spelling his name wrong this entire time

[glass arch]

probably yes

[idle dagger]

Like I’m sitting here thinking and I don’t know what I’d actually lose from the cosmolight going from control -> timestop that is seriously hurting

[errant wren]

oops

[dense ferry]

Besides, Sundial/Moondial are too weak to allow grinding attempts on Mechs consistently

[errant wren]

cooldowns and stuff, yeah

[glass arch]

then you buff them so it isnt a week of ingame waiting

[dense ferry]

Cool then we just made Cosmolight again

[glass arch]

it doesnt have to be instant

[dense ferry]

[errant wren]

almost the exact same problem, but now we've made the community upset by involving fishing