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echo leaf
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using confetti (of any variety)

tired haven
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Ive ran the simulations

errant wren
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make it scale based on the fibonacci sequence

echo leaf
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being near whimsical furniture and decorations

errant wren
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1 1 2 3 5 8 13 etc.

fleet grotto
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spending time in the evil biomes and underworld decreases whimsy

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drinking alcohol can change whimsy by anywhere from -100 to 100

indigo yacht
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is the blend o matic whimsical...

echo leaf
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It has no tangible effects

echo leaf
indigo yacht
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good

errant wren
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is bouncing on pink slime blocks whimsical

fleet grotto
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yes very

echo leaf
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Incredibly

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Bouncy grenades and party cannons are incredibly whimsical

fleet grotto
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Basically, party girl is the top whimsy npc

echo leaf
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And using party bullets on NATO coming to take your bouncy grenades, party cannons and party bullets is also incredibly whimsical

fleet grotto
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Everything from her is at the very least +1 whimsy

echo leaf
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She is considered whimsical so just being near her adds to it

errant wren
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calamity mod: joy wonder and whimsy update

indigo yacht
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not in my calamity...

errant wren
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coming soon to a tmodloader near you

half imp
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it genuinely won't need it; as well a combo accessory would end up very bloated and there's not really anything to combine it with that makes sense

indigo yacht
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alluring bait is RIGHT there wdym

half imp
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wulfrum fishing pack

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Replaces all fishing poles with wulfrum fish grappling hooks

indigo yacht
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exactly

errant wren
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grapple to the water

kind laurel
half imp
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It will be

lucid marsh
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Is my suggestion from last night good

indigo yacht
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nothing wrong with it, although personally I don't think i like it much

keen zodiac
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they're already adding something like that in sso

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goblin army triggers after crabulon if it hasn't happened yet

lucid marsh
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But then the other half of this is that it should not happen randomly after that

indigo yacht
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like, idk, a "goblin flag" crafted from silk or whatever that prevents goblin invasions

oblique birch
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surely the spawn blocking item will get through voting this time

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isn't there like a plan to make those spawn blocking items become an UI

whole tundra
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I feel like the post could be changed to make random invasions no longer happen after the first as I don't think most people are going to get the very rare drops/crafts to access the events

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As the post stands now, it forces you to reach the requirements and to get rare stuff

indigo yacht
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oh i didn't read the latter half of the suggestion

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LAME

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npcs should be a way to get unique items not a shortcut past otherwise vaguely interesting methods of obtainment

whole tundra
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Also there's basically no need for the mentioned shop examples as you need the thing they sell to get them in the first place XD

indigo yacht
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oh wait i forgot about that 💀

crude geode
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“Add this already existing thing to a shop”

tardy geyser
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just use nycros and disable events iirc

whole tundra
crude geode
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Literally

serene tendon
whole tundra
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Quite a horrid list of examples though

indigo yacht
tardy geyser
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they should spawn until you beat them imo, like bosses

crude geode
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There’s a reason potions were removed from shops and it’s because shops are inherently very fucking boring

whole tundra
indigo yacht
whole tundra
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The Goblin Tinkerer and Pirate have strictly 1 way to obtain them

whole tundra
indigo yacht
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its ok i still value your input

crude geode
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@lucid marsh pirate maps are already piss easy to get (at least from what I recall) and goblin invasions are not difficult to get the summon of. Also you need to fight their events at least once to get them to spawn so the npcs chosen don’t make sense, since if random spawns are off you would have to get the items naturally before them.

indigo yacht
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if you have a zerg potion they are

oblique birch
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oh fuck

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was that spawning preventation UI thing before 22?

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fuck that's so old I thought it's still recent

lucid marsh
drowsy plank
errant wren
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item dropped/given at the end of the event that adds the ability to toggle their spawn in the ui

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like a worse upgrade item

echo leaf
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I assume it'll only drop if you haven't used it yet

errant wren
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yeah

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like torch god

worn elk
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this isn't even terraria anymore xdddd

indigo yacht
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that's correct this is tmodloader

vocal moth
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Fortnite

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in calamity

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Suggestion

keen zodiac
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@violet monolith wrong formatting

violet monolith
errant wren
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part of me thinks that's just

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not true

ashen warren
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already fixed, burnt sienna now has a different obtainment method

keen zodiac
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word

violet monolith
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Oh? What is it

errant wren
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oh and it didn't even matter lmao

ashen warren
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can't say for right now

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but it will be easily obtainable before you beat a boss, and will remain obtainable for the whole game

violet monolith
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So I will have to wait until the update

ashen warren
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ok one small caveat it will remain obtainable for the whole game unless you like
purposefully destroy an entire biome but you can say that for a lot of stuff

errant wren
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is it a shrine like roxcalib- what

ashen warren
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yes, it will be next update

violet monolith
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But what about worlds already generated

ashen warren
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SSO will require an entirely new world already, the amount of worldgen changes make trying to keep old worlds in mind just not feasible in any reality

violet monolith
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Damn when's the update do we know this at least

frail mantle
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No

keen zodiac
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no release dates ever tho

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for any update

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bc release dates are stinky and dumb

glass arch
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sunken sea overhaul in three MOTHERFUCKING seconds

keen zodiac
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truth duke

errant wren
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john mage is a liar

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can we get this individual a silver star sticker

gilded citrus
crude geode
keen zodiac
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we got silksong before gta 6

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explodes

crude geode
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That’s the fun thing we get neither

dense frost
remote dune
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About the Solar Veil suggestion, they're just kind of a really niche type of item; only used for a short amount of time by one class. For that kind of item, it does get a good amount: a whole armor set, emblem upgrade, weapons, and it did used to be an ingredient for penumbra potions. There's just really not much else you could add that includes an item like that.
You could maybe suggest use in vanities like a wallpaper or some clothes, but that's about all I can think of. Surprised Solar Veils really still exist.

golden sonnet
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Pretty sure there is furniture planned

remote dune
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wait some solar veil background curtains would look cool..

dense frost
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Solalar sujeggstiom

indigo yacht
misty lichen
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what

echo leaf
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to be completely fair

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solar veils have six recipes

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only one is of a "consumable" resource

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only one is widely useful off the rogue class as a support tool

indigo yacht
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thanks trapper bulbs for doing nothing

teal yarrow
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murky paste is objectively worse

drowsy plank
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they're both pretty bad

echo leaf
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Oh murky paste is super awful

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That's why it's dying in the next update, I think

teal yarrow
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dang

gilded citrus
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Both are dead next update iirc

indigo yacht
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yes

frail fox
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Can’t believe they’re still in the game though, feels like something removed 3 years ago atp

grim tusk
fleet grotto
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omg mr beast 2500!! dollar

olive saddle
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2500 mr beast beast mr dolalr 2500 dollar is 2500 dollar beast 2500

indigo yacht
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so true bestie

half imp
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I have to say the spooky wood arguement kinda takes away from this

olive saddle
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clearly you must add solar veil furniture then

gritty plaza
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solar veil couch

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nice silk sofa

half imp
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spooky wood is like just armor and furniture 😢

remote dune
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it would appear the server has been griefed by a gambling bot

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what a calamity

olive saddle
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mr bast...

golden sonnet
misty lichen
prisma sedge
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Ohhh, it was a scam thing

indigo yacht
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so many scams

coral carbon
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so many people winning money from mister breast

indigo yacht
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@south bolt your suggestion has improper formatting and needs reasoning, I'd recommend you read the suggestions document in the channel description/pins

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is the bot down

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the bot is totally down

drowsy plank
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@inland saddle

gritty plaza
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When is the bot not down /j

teal yarrow
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also solar veil furniture would be fire

half imp
half imp
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solar veils are just odd

thorn dock
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Any chance brimflame armors brimflame frenzy could become a toggle? 👀

teal yarrow
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yea but i felt that spooky wood got a bit more usage than solar veils

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and

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my alternatives were things like

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matian conduit plating 🗿

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cant really think of another slightly niech option for a class other than spooky wood

indigo yacht
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wherein you can cancel the effect by pressing the keybind again

thorn dock
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10 sec effect with 30 Sec CD iirx

indigo yacht
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oh are you asking for the cooldown to be removed?

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that would be super overpowered

olive saddle
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would it though?

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its like a 1.2x damage boost but you die while its active

thorn dock
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It drains health, gives -21hp sec

indigo yacht
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okay I don't know who told me it was a multiplicative boost it is not

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but still 40% magic damage in exchange for a bit of health lost is significant

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maybe not "super overpowered" but still balanced by the cooldown

echo leaf
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It also disables mana regen iirc

thorn dock
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Yes, disables mana regen

indigo yacht
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calamity developers: "mana flower sucks and is boring"
also calamity developers:

tepid crown
thorn dock
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A toggle probably would allow some more build options, for example using radiant ooze to hold the toggle for a long period of time

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Would have syngery with mana polarizer life steal too

drowsy plank
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i think they should kill brimflame

novel belfry
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they should eat you

indigo yacht
thorn dock
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For which reasons?

half imp
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Brimflame Frenzy will disable mana potions too

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not just regen

indigo yacht
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i know

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i was just being facetious

half imp
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mana Cuffs meta!!!

drowsy plank
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lmao

half imp
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mana Cloak!!!

indigo yacht
half imp
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Mana Bees!!!

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Star Statue!

indigo yacht
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mana regen + mana stars are definitely my favorite way to play mage in earlygame

severe sparrow
thorn dock
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Boosted by hive Pack?

severe sparrow
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a Honeycomb upgrade that spawns bees that attack and than home in on you giving you mana

indigo yacht
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uhm

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that's

thorn dock
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Awesome?

indigo yacht
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i personally do not think that even if that made sense, it would be a good idea

thorn dock
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Put this on plague themed armor maybe

kind laurel
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Nooo not my Brimflame armor

half imp
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can't wait for my bee class

kind laurel
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Eh bees is a fair tradeoff

thorn dock
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Well is the plaq
guebringer minion from plaguebringer armor even affected by hive Pack?

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Its just a bigger bee, right?

indigo yacht
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uh

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I don't think so

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hive pack is very weird in the way that it interacts with plague stuff

thorn dock
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Doesnt make sense if you ask me^^

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So hive Pack doesnt affect the bee minion?

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Wearing hive Pack should give some Kind of perk to the bee if u ask me..
For example.. enrages at 50% or lower health (regenator syngery)

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Or give it a toxic heart.. that way the pulses emit from the bee but still scale on the players health regen

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Like any perk .. would be fair ^^

drowsy plank
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it's a plague seeker which is distinctly not a bee and has never been affected by hive pack

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hornets, wasps, and bees are bees for hive pack

half imp
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yeah

thorn dock
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Lore says they are weaponized bees

tepid crown
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cog was talking about mechanically how the hive pack works

thorn dock
thorn dock
remote dune
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🤓 erm, actually... the Plaguebringer Goliath and Plaguebringers are the only Plagued bee creatures that are created from actual bees. Plague seekers, plague keepers, etc. are machines created by the goliath, not made from bees.🤓

thorn dock
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Great input, so exclude them from the buffs would be right

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Okay, so by Definition.. this is a bee correct?

remote dune
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another bot

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second one today iirc

willow widget
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oh boy a giveaway!

indigo yacht
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shut up nerd!!!!!!!

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nobody cares!

errant wren
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wow

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nitro giveaway clueless

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-# a lot of these, lately...

indigo yacht
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didn't cog say that the "lil plaguebringer" was not in fact a bee

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also, it indirectly is affected by the hive pack, since it fires normal bees

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which means basically nothing but is pertinent

thorn dock
thorn dock
remote dune
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resembles the plaguebringer. is a robot built by the player to go with the armor.

indigo yacht
kind laurel
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What about like mixing the Hivepack with Plague Cell Canisters or smth makes it effect plague stuff

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upgrading it

indigo yacht
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maybe

drowsy plank
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we had that already it was called plague hive it sucked shit

thorn dock
drowsy plank
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we could reintroduce plague hive rn and it would still be bad

indigo yacht
thorn dock
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Obvsly

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Guess he doesnt order his Pizza with eater of worlds either

indigo yacht
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what

drowsy plank
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i have no idea either

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anyway all that making hive pack viable late game does is move a chunk of the expected damage for a type of weapon to a random accessory instead of the weapon itself

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just like magic power or archery potions

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ur not making the weapon stronger or more fun to use you are just debasing a portion of the damage to another item

indigo yacht
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i think that only applies if hive pack is just a boring damage buff which it doesn't have to be (although it probably would be)

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part of the problem is that there's not nearly as many damage accessories in phm when you first get hive pack

drowsy plank
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im not sure how else it could change bee AI that isnt effective that

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i suppose hive pack does make them faster and bounce more

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which can help with aiming

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also bigger too

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but everything else just damage buffs

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i guess it could be cool to do the former

indigo yacht
drowsy plank
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true

indigo yacht
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so i don't believe it's out of the question for them to attempt something similar

drowsy plank
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make bees immune to water/lava HDfailure

tepid crown
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@ doze rework hive pack and my life is yours

indigo yacht
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honestly i kinda feel like hive pack is clunky in general but that's neither here nor there, and it's not getting removed or reworked sooo

errant wren
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plague hive returns and it just makes friendly bees explode when they hit enemies

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idk i wasn't paying attention this time

indigo yacht
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oh well it has actual reasoning now

drowsy plank
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i mean yeah but also

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half of it is an SRS now

thorn dock
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It is not

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At all

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2 examples of unique effevt rather than falt bonuses

drowsy plank
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@thorn dock could you remove the large sections that are just detailing what hive pack should be reworked to

thorn dock
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What

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Never said should

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I dont want it to be reworked into that

drowsy plank
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i know they are examples but they are most of the suggestion

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also this is 100% going to be over the 1k character limit when the bot comes back online

indigo yacht
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nah it's only like 700 characters

thorn dock
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Dont put me in a Light where I look like making a SIS please

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Wow

drowsy plank
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you should focus more on explaining why the current buffs are boring and why it should effect all types of bee-related projectiles

thorn dock
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I just put it down

drowsy plank
thorn dock
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Also was no specific rework suggestion

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I didnt suggest a rework in such way

drowsy plank
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a good point to make could be vanilla expanding have pack to work with wasp gun for consistency's sake despite them not really being bees by the letter

indigo yacht
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I don't think it's really an srs but it's still a bit too specific all the same;

tepid crown
drowsy plank
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the point of the problem is you are focusing too much on implementation without giving a good full basis on why it needs to be done

tepid crown
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tupid

indigo yacht
drowsy plank
thorn dock
indigo yacht
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i think that just referencing possibilities is enough to do that

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if people want to know what toxic heart does they can look at the page

thorn dock
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Think you dont get the point I had with this one.. a TH emitting frlm the bee was a unique example, to stick with the way New mechanics instead of flat bonuses beeing favored rn

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It was a reference to the current style

indigo yacht
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what

thorn dock
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I go to bed

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GN

indigo yacht
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did you read what i said

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goodnight

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Add adrenaline accessory

it makes your adrenaline deal triple damage

tepid crown
vocal moth
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that invasion suggestion pisses me off

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Cause “make is easier to summon” and you have to do it first for it to be easier to summon

errant wren
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i mean

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i wouldn't have argued exactly what the sugg said

indigo yacht
errant wren
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i'd've just left out those particular examples

coral carbon
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the author of that suggestion usually has very bad examples or reasoning

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and a bad problem to be solved

indigo yacht
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that's rude

errant wren
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i mean the author and i have butted heads before

indigo yacht
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i have too but that's no reason to be mean

grave zincBOT
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gritty plaza
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I love wings of rebirth

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Tho I can't help but see the collar thing on the sprite as an eye

humble scarab
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I can see it for the stations, but not really for potions

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For example, i like having spelunker potions and mining potions in my inventory, and favorite allows me to deposit all beside those potions

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Instead maybe for potions an item, which would autouse them when its activated, but i think it would be hard to implement it without wasting potions with longer buff time

keen zodiac
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they don't know about aqua scourge bag 💔

gilded citrus
humble scarab
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Cant find any of this

gilded citrus
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It was mushroom storage iirc

humble scarab
humble scarab
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Perfect for me

humble scarab
humble scarab
prisma sedge
idle dagger
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I’d prefer they didn’t anyway

prisma sedge
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Agreed, it'd be cool to see it lean more into the angelic theming!

hollow verge
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walked in to suggest deleting solar veils, only to see that the last sugg in voting is about them trolled

indigo yacht
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might as well...

teal yarrow
distant gyro
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somehow the only missing commonality between solar veil and other class materials of the same tier is that solar veil has no wings

fleet grotto
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Solar Veil is now a consumable rogue throwing weapon that functions identically to the Web Ball but with incewaswd stats!

distant gyro
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as opposed to beetle wings, hoverboard, spectre wings, and (cheating! doesn't actually use spooky wood) spooky wings

teal yarrow
drowsy plank
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what if we just killed paladin's dust tbqh imo iirc

distant gyro
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but yeah beetle husks literally make nothing else but armour

teal yarrow
echo leaf
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Solar Veils are now equippable as generic 7.5 1.0 wings

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Thus they are also unstackable

distant gyro
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techniclly solar eclipse does have a wing though and thats mothron

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or bat. ig

teal yarrow
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like netherite from minecraft ig

echo leaf
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5% increased rogue damage and knockback

distant gyro
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shroomite bars dont have much either

teal yarrow
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chlorophyte has enough varients

distant gyro
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exclude dcu since its an unholy fodder there's digging claws, hoverboard

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spectre has wings and a set of tools including paint

teal yarrow
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why spectre for paint tho

distant gyro
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who knows

teal yarrow
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why would you need a paint upgrade

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arent the stats the same

echo leaf
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the spectre variants have longer range, just like all other spectre tools

teal yarrow
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oh ok

distant gyro
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anyways veil has 2 weapons (one being a material) and an accessory

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so at minimum imo they're just as relevant as the rest

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didnt mention spooky wood but thats just furniture

teal yarrow
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i just thought solar veils had a ton of unused potential

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like the aformentioned wings and a bunch of silky furniture and stuff

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upgrade to molotov cocktails were creative tho

gilded citrus
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Doesnt shroomite also make the mini nuke ammo for ranger

glass arch
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yes

distant gyro
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swapped out for luminite in cal

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because its an instagrade otherwise

distant gyro
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my main point is there's no sufficient grounds for removing solar veils though

teal yarrow
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like imagine a solar veil cape that functions as wings or even a direct upgrade to magic carpet

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even thought theres no point

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and just imagine the vanity items that could have been made

glass arch
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remove solar veils they're just kinda mid and feel like a rehash of other materials that already exist

teal yarrow
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but then theres just a blank point in progression for rogue

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solar veils are still an upgrade albeit they are niech as hell

distant gyro
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its pivotal to rogue and also the closest materials i can think of are silk and darksun fragments???

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and neither of them are the right progression

teal yarrow
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silk is pre-boss and df's are post dog

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🗿

glass arch
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clear solution move darksun fragments to be base eclipse

distant gyro
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solar veil clears darksun fragment..

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we have enough abstract blob material

teal yarrow
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and they would also have to edit recipes based on darksun fragments

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too much work for devs

glass arch
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it wasnt an actual suggestion lol

teal yarrow
errant wren
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solar veil shimmers into darksun veil post-dog clueless

glass arch
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trur

teal yarrow
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solar veil underwear when??

glass arch
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horrible idea please stop cooking

teal yarrow
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so silky and soft 🤑

indigo yacht
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why does this need to be a calamity feature

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why does calamity specifically need a config option for this

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there are already other mods that do it just fine so why does calamity have to add its own variant

errant wren
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there's not even that many things in base cal that really warrant it

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not that i can really think of any

indigo yacht
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oh boy

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this breaks like 4 rules

prisma sedge
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I don't think auric ore is going to be crate renewable in the future

tepid crown
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so many things wrong

indigo yacht
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it won't be

tepid crown
indigo yacht
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you can get it from shimmering auric soul fragments though lol

tepid crown
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theyre moving renewability to shinmer

prisma sedge
indigo yacht
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@hybrid mesa a few things: crates won't give auric ore anymore in sso, your suggestion is too specific about which specific order the items should shimmer in (there is no existence precedence for any of them being connected), the devs don't really add things specifically to facilitate low% (just to allow for more flexibility in casual gameplay which inadvertently lends itself to low%), and lastly you can't make suggestions about content that hasn't been implemented yet

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personally i think that low% and skipping the wof and stuff like that should be things that emerge naturally via a slow conglomeration of added variety, rather than things that are specifically added to the game

tepid crown
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  1. cant make suggestions about future content
  2. (even if you could suggest about future stuff) the point of the yharon fragment shimmer is to move renewability out of titanium crates
  3. let them abuse alchnpc then? why should cal be balanced around this one specific part
  4. challenge runs are not a valid reasoning
  5. cosmilite ore is not happening theres no reason for it to exist when u can alr renew cosmilite bars from dog
  6. theres no reasoning for adding totally unrelated materials to the shimmer ore chain
indigo yacht
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oh yeah and also you ought not to take external mods into consideration when thinking about balance

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calamity shouldn't have to worry about making sure my "dirt crafts into shadowspec bars" mod is balanced

tepid crown
#

ngl i feel like cosmilite ore should be part of freq suggested

indigo yacht
#

Retheme Cosmolite Bars into dog armor fragments

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what even are cosmolite bars

tepid crown
indigo yacht
#

why does dog drop them

tepid crown
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because his armour is made of it

indigo yacht
#

oh my joke suggestion was actually kind of valid then

tepid crown
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i mean ig

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the plan alr is to just have dog not drop them tho

prisma sedge
#

I think there's plans to make it more of something you collect in the Distortion when that actually becomes a thing, but honestly, I do like the idea of making it not just...another bar of metal

indigo yacht
#

or longer

gilded citrus
drowsy plank
#

this idea fuckin sucks

indigo yacht
#

🔥

drowsy plank
#

i dont know what it is trying to accomplish and tsuki already covered all the reasons it is invalid

remote dune
#

that was a hard read

teal yarrow
#

i have no idea what those words mean in that order

keen zodiac
#

holy jesus

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that is certainly a suggestion of all time

whole tundra
keen zodiac
#
  1. way too long and unorganized
whole tundra
keen zodiac
#

if they did get added back to shops i think the wizard should sell them

polar bison
#

Moving them to Princess would also just make more sense

hearty hamlet
polar bison
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You unlock her post plantera anyways

hearty hamlet
#

I think princess, wizard or zoologist could all make sense

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Hell even party girl, I'd just like an easy way to get lacewings

crude geode
#

Adding things to shops is one of the laziest way to do it

grim tusk
hearty hamlet
#

yay

grim tusk
#

theres like over 1k projectiles

teal yarrow
grim tusk
#

easier to do sliders in this case

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actually might be easier than I think with particles

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altho it for sure will mess with a lot of em since most have a base transparency and might become invisible in low enough values

teal yarrow
#

alright

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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so wait whats the problem with my suggestion?

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nvm its too long

grim tusk
#

your suggestion taking too long

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imma remove the exclam but i dont see it likely that it passes due to the aforementioned:
Fargo’s mutant already does this and only a problem when using addons

teal yarrow
#

oh

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kk

indigo yacht
#

straight up hiding projectiles is really easy but I don't think being semitransparent is as simple

glass arch
#

semitransparency is quite a bit more complicated afaik

grim tusk
#

Editing GlobalProjectile’s drawing related functions works for this iirc

for particles or shader heavy weapons… desolage

glass arch
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especially when most projectiles arent made with the assumption that that sort of thing is going to happen

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like i would assume its easier if you make the stuff knowing eventually that sort of thing will happen but if you dont... hell

teal yarrow
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totally unrelated question

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why is only dog 2nd phase fully shown on the minimap and semi-transparent map

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you would assume all worm bosses would have this feature

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or even dog 1st phase

half imp
teal yarrow
#

hooray

misty lichen
#

the need for a transparency slider really seems like a rogue exclusive issue

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like no proper real weapons actually need to spawn that many dusts or 1 damage projectules

teal yarrow
half imp
misty lichen
#

basically rogue anyways tbh

half imp
#

especially when minion + other weapons

misty lichen
teal yarrow
#

also one more point

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i was gonna add something of a weapon sfx or tile break/placement sfx slider

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to my suggestion

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but no space

crude geode
misty lichen
#

too late

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blaming limited slot minions on this

frail fox
#

Doesn’t really correlate but I agree

indigo yacht
#

thats already a thing

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in vanilla terraria

half imp
teal yarrow
#

i sorry

scarlet musk
#

should ion blaster and apoctosis array deal increased damage with less mana instead of the other way around?

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just feels kinda sucky dealing less and less damage with sustained fire

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not very fun

fleet grotto
#

mana potions

scarlet musk
#

...but those reduce your damage

fleet grotto
#

they're currently balancing eachother out (if you use mana potions)

scarlet musk
#

but if they're balancing each other out then the mechanic is pointless

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i guess there are other ways to keep mana flowing

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i wish pulse rifle was a mage weapon

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and tesla cannon was a ranged weapon

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pulse pistol is mage why not pulse rifle

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or at least touch up the tesla cannon to make them even in coolness

crude geode
#

Pretty sure most of the arsenal weapons are getting reworked

keen zodiac
#

literally all of them are

scarlet musk
#

thank god, gauss pistol SUCKS

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'lets make this weapon more interesting by giving its projectile a delay isn't that so engaging?'

keen zodiac
#

most of them are also getting resprited and renamed

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oblique birch
keen zodiac
#

also that

oblique birch
#

5 weapons each stage, for 5 classes each

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also Ion Blaster and Apoctosis Array got reworked

scarlet musk
keen zodiac
#

5 weapon types
each class gets a different type each tier

scarlet musk
keen zodiac
scarlet musk
#

they're all weapons from fallout and take sfx directly from the games

oblique birch
#

and bad

scarlet musk
#

yeah

keen zodiac
#

it's on patreon

scarlet musk
#

aw fuck

ember sable
#

are they changing the frequency manipulator

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i have a friend that gets rlly mad when i say im gonna manipulate his frequencies and i cant lose that 8ttannoyed

keen zodiac
half imp
keen zodiac
#

or doze apparently

half imp
#

if it's an arsenal weapon, 95% chance it's being changed

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I think the only ones with names staying are some of the Pulse line

keen zodiac
#

hype

echo leaf
#

I’m hype to see how Wave Pounder and Plasma Grenade change

keen zodiac
echo leaf
#

I dunno. I thought about it but I never asked to see. I assume not

golden sonnet
#

No, it's a small enough server we don't link the two's moderation

keen zodiac
#

interesting

golden sonnet
#

And because you need to pay for it, there are generally very little infractions

echo leaf
#

Figured

keen zodiac
#

most infractions were ironically by fab

echo leaf
gritty plaza
#

Hyper failure indeed

grim tusk
gilded citrus
#

Isnt the alcohol being crafted just a temporary fix until the rework

grim tusk
#

Yes

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also true

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alcohols arent that bad to make

indigo yacht
#

i can't say that that's mean

#

but still come on it's just crafting

grim tusk
#

most of the ingredients are usually gotten unintentonally

echo leaf
#

ale is made of literal sand

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and blorbs are pretty fun

crude geode
#

Didn’t giant squid used to drop ink bomb

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Nope I’m hallucinating

fleet grotto
#

npc for alcohols isn't coming

indigo yacht
#

also i think this is too specific

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(probably over the character limit too)

fleet grotto
#

don't you need permission for dedicated content too

indigo yacht
#

what dedicated content

fleet grotto
#

isn't this suggesting like

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content for someone

indigo yacht
#

oh

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yeah probably then

stable kiln
#

peak suggestion

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wow cit youre so boring 🙄

indigo yacht
#

get outta here done 22 underscore

stable kiln
#

ok :(

indigo yacht
#

im sorry i didnt mean it :(

whole tundra
tardy geyser
#

Also like, why would you want the inferior method of getting them when crafting is way more interesting

indigo yacht
tardy geyser
#

Five. Hundred. ❗s.

novel belfry
#

especially when it was the original only way to get them...

severe sparrow
#

its more interesting to craft than buy

novel belfry
#

true

safe oxide
severe sparrow
#

that is for 1 drink

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and it is more engaging than sitting in a shop menu holding down a button

indigo yacht
#

a calamity player's worst nightmare is actually having to play the game

novel belfry
#

my worst nightmare is no more wing slot mod

#

/s

teal yarrow
#

playing infernum rogue rn

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that change would honestly be so nice

#

i had to farm for so long to get ink bomb from cuttlefish

#

doesnt really help that they're pretty rare either

half imp
#

Are they just rare or are they just invisible...

#

you'll never know

safe oxide
indigo yacht
#

calamity is not balanced around hardcore

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also the point of hardcore is to be risky

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if you don't want to take risks, skip getting the alcohol

novel belfry
#

So once upon a time, I posted a suggestion to make Ceaseless Void's blank bestiary entry look more intentionally empty. (#suggestions-voting message) It got rejected.

Interestingly, someone replied to a comment I wrote recently, claiming that Fabsol vetoed this personally.
I DON'T know if this is real, but if this is the case, then would it be fine if I just reposted that suggestion again?

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half imp
#

It almost certainly was not fabsol

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I can't imagine Fabsol caring about that

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I wasn't a dev at the time tho so idk

drowsy plank
#

truly a "finally, with fabsol gone, calamity can be reshaped in MY image since fabsol was the only one who disliked everything i wanted!!!" moment

novel belfry
#

I wouldn’t be surprised

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I only felt like responding about it here because I immediately recognized the suggestion that random dude was referring to

grim tusk
novel belfry
#

Okay there’s the confirmation

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just wanted to confirm that r the suggestion I wrote was actually rejected and not fab being a jerk

indigo yacht
grim tusk
#

@mental pecan no specific item suggestions

mental pecan
#

Ah. Okay.

grim tusk
#

Also the reasoning could use some work

#

Ah suggestion is gone now

mental pecan
#

Sorry.

#

It was mainly just a personal idea.

grim tusk
#

I suggest you read the suggestions doc next time checkpins , it will be helpful for any future suggestion you want to make

grim tusk
mental pecan
#

Alright, I'll pick a time to read the guidelines more closely and try again another time.

dense ferry
#

Yeah no it's just that it's hard to code that and no one wanted to

crude geode
novel belfry
indigo yacht
#

yummy

crude geode
#

“Rework an entire melee subclass”

#

Meanwhile mage and ranged weapons are varied in how much spam you want

scarlet musk
crude geode
#

Counterpoint:

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I don’t think melee needs an entire subclass rework. I think other classes need something to compete with half the shit they get.

#

There’s a reason two classes on top of mage are (eventually) getting full on reworks (summoner and rogue iirc), because they have very little going on compared to what melee does in current cal

#

@elfin crescent

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elfin crescent
crude geode
#

Yeah, if you’re worried about ice chunk’s power I’d post there instead of here

elfin crescent
#

i will do it by myself, but thanks

indigo yacht
#

idek what this suggestion is asking for

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tf is a "sweetspot"

drowsy plank
#

@scarlet musk this definitely falls under the same excessive effort clause as giving all melee weapons a parry like detailed in the rules document and "it would be cool" is not valid reasoning

echo leaf
drowsy plank
# indigo yacht tf is a "sweetspot"

if you know marth from super smash bros; his attacks deal the most damage if you only hit with the tip of his hitbox. this is asking for that but for spears

echo leaf
#

Marth

drowsy plank
#

🐌

echo leaf
#

perish

#

atm spears function more like Roy

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They have a """""sweetspot""""" at the very base of the spear since the spear's lingering hitbox will be able to hit multiple times per attack as the twelve or so invincibility frames will pass before the weapon stops overlapping the bad guy

indigo yacht
echo leaf
#

Which I really like, personally. It doesn't really make intuitive sense since spears are historically long ranged weapons for keeping bad guys at range, but that's the only flaw I can fathom with it

indigo yacht
#

this just sounds like a "i hate usestyle#"

drowsy plank
#

yes

echo leaf
#

it is

drowsy plank
#

they literally admit that in the suggestion

echo leaf
#

there's nothing wrong with wanting more thinking and strategy in weapons but like

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spears have that already

drowsy plank
#

they are, in fact, one of the few weapons that do!

#

would much sooner want a usestyle1 rework before spears ever got touched

echo leaf
#

Yeah, absolutely

indigo yacht
#

we should remove all weapons from the gam

drowsy plank
#

true!

echo leaf
#

with use style 1 the most mechanical depth I found from using it are Volcano's Double Booms™️

drowsy plank
#

everyone must now use accessory damage only

indigo yacht
#

yayyyyyy

echo leaf
#

Where switching direction in the last few frames of the animation will lead to two maximum power hits in quick succession

indigo yacht
#

it's just as boring but it looks nice

echo leaf
#

which ones are you talking about?

indigo yacht
#

idr the mods that do it but most of the like melee effect ones

echo leaf
indigo yacht
#

oh yeah i think fargos too

drowsy plank
#

i like fargos bc it is very simply and fixes a big issue

#

you can now aim your sword

indigo yacht
#

i was about to make a suggestion about normality relocator but of course it's dedicated content

#

oh well

gilded citrus
indigo yacht
#

i mean yeah but I don't even use normality relocator

#

cant be bothered

keen zodiac
indigo yacht
#

remove the fast fall

humble scarab
#

i like the fast fall from it

indigo yacht
#

counterpoint: why

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if it wasn't conditional after a teleport it would be fine but it's so weird

drowsy plank
indigo yacht
#

i know, that's why i wanted it removed

humble scarab
#

And lore items were always active iirc

drowsy plank
#

yeah but you also have to use up your teleport for that and it only lasts until you touch the ground

drowsy plank
#

if it was unconditional, it would have to just always be active whenever it was in your inventory

#

which would be way too strong

distant gyro
#

the normality fast fall is so stupid

drowsy plank
#

so their suggestion was just to kill it

humble scarab
#

Thats true that it would be strong, i missunderstood your statement

distant gyro
#

cause im sure what happened is

#

fab wanted a teleporting effect thats not rod pink dust

indigo yacht
distant gyro
#

ended up using the portal gun teleport style

#

unbeknownst to him it inherits portal gun physics

drowsy plank
#

there's no fucking way-

#

oh my god

humble scarab
indigo yacht
#

ok that would be really funny

distant gyro
#

refuses to budge and calls it a feature

drowsy plank
#

that's hilarious

distant gyro
#

and now its a feature of NR, unintentionally

#

so if you thought it was weird you know why

drowsy plank
golden sonnet
#

Yeah, NR is good enough as a side grade, it does not need additional effects

drowsy plank
#

oh wait huh cool they're actually in the server
@hexed hedge can people make suggestions to remove the fast falling from normality relocator

vestal crater
royal tapir
tepid crown
#

HOYL SHIOT IS THAT KRIS UNDERTALE?!

indigo yacht
echo leaf
#

Add that to the list of features that existed for no reason other than Fabsol insistend

ripe owl
#

uuuuuh I'm afraid that's not Fabsol's fault but rather donor's request

#

and like

#

unless they say "yes", you cannot deny their request, now can you

tepid crown
#

i heard this from another source so it might not be 100% accurate

#

but im pretty sure all the donor asked was for a rod upgrade

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and also im pretty sure nr was one of the first, if not the first, to be requested

echo leaf
#

Ah, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

glass arch
#

nr was straight up the first according to what ive heard from ozz

teal yarrow
#

the spear suggestion is pretty cool

#

but like how else would a spear move if not back and forth

#

if you want a spear you can swing thats no longer a spear its a glaive

gritty plaza
#

also scanning the sugg we love random unnecessary insults

prisma sedge
#

Honestly, I'm not sure about this existing for every spear, but I like the idea for like...a special weapon or two

half imp
#

I have had multiple requests to put it on a spear I'm reworking

#

So it'll probably be there at least

#

but it's also like really hard to actually make it matter?

indigo yacht
#

"point blank will make guns interesting finally"

crude geode
#

The nefarious sky shooting bows:

errant wren
#

we need bows that shoot from the ground

#

or well

#

underground

dense locust
#

Divine retri- oh wait

echo leaf
#

I think early hardmode has a lot of bosses with AIs that're really friendly to this idea

#

So... if that sort of thing were to go anywhere, that's the place. I think.

glass arch
#

damn you wifi

scarlet musk
drowsy plank
#

i dont know how that is supposed to be a counter to what i said

scarlet musk
drowsy plank
#

idk what you mean by that but the main point is that this would take a lot of work and if you ever were going to rework a usestyle, making basic melee broadswords more interesting would be a better use of that time than spears which already have mechanical depth

scarlet musk
#

wait hold on there's a mod that reworks all the swing animations, i wanna find it and send it just for fun

scarlet musk
#

the multihit thing?

#

cause that only really works if the spear is slow enough

#

which doesn't fit spears at all, it turns them into a weird slow aoe weapon instead of a long range precision weapon

scarlet musk
#

this one

#

i used this one for a melee playthrough, and unfortunately not many of the true melee effects worked, but pretty much everything else was fine

#

it's a cool mod to play around with and i encourage anyone interested to just take a look for fun

crude geode
#

Think of how many weapons are hold your cursor over the boss and that’s it.

indigo yacht
#

babe flamethrowers are a terrible example there's like 17 for 44 bosses

#

also haven't you that one dragonfolly spear that works for guards and provi

indigo yacht
kind laurel
indigo yacht
#

elemental weapons are being murdered anyways

tepid crown
#

no they arent

#

what

indigo yacht
#

they won't be elemental anymore

#

guh

tepid crown
#

thats not being murdered

#

thats a redesign

indigo yacht
#

okay whatever that's besides the point

#

they'll be thematically distinct

tepid crown
#

anyways make an elemental and terra yoyo since its one of the bigger melee subclass

#

and exo

indigo yacht
#

killing you

oblique birch
#

add 500 yoyos

#

good idea

#

yoyo gang rise up

gilded citrus
#

no need for a elemental yoyo theres terrarian

tepid crown
oblique birch
#

not enough

indigo yacht
#

i don't think that true melee should be in whatever weapon tree is suggested just for the sake of being there

oblique birch
#

I said 500 yoyos

tepid crown
#

adding two electrons for even suggesting that yoyos are good

oblique birch
#

you said it first 😢

tepid crown
#

it was a JOKE

#

i was making fun of the suggestion

#

tupid

indigo yacht
tepid crown
#

there isnt considering theres alr on tier true melee weapons

oblique birch
#

Elemental set might have True Melee

gilded citrus
#

true melee will be changed in the future no?

tepid crown
tepid crown
oblique birch
#

the plan of Elemental Shiv becomes one of Exoblade ingredients

tepid crown
#

it will still technically be a subclass it just wont have that awful damage boosting mechanic

oblique birch
#

it might inherits right click functions

indigo yacht
gilded citrus
indigo yacht
#

so idk

tepid crown
oblique birch
tepid crown
gilded citrus
#

instead it gets whatever heroic damage will boos t

oblique birch
#

true melee damage type might still being kept

#

the future has like 3 paths right now

#

True Melee type & Heroic
Heroic only
no True Melee type & no Heroic, bosses being designed with close range viable

indigo yacht
#

ok ngl I don't see the logic behind removing one "awful damage boosting mechanic" only to replace it with another one that's even more arbitrary

gilded citrus
gilded citrus
tepid crown
indigo yacht
#

which is...

tepid crown
#

glove

gilded citrus
#

lol

grim tusk
indigo yacht
#

i feel like that's more of a problem with having the glove give true melee damage rather than true melee damage existing 🤷‍♀️

grim tusk
#

miracle matter is being rethemed

indigo yacht
#

as far as i can tell the only reasoning is inaccurate/"it would be cool"

grim tusk
#

indeed

vocal moth
frail fox
#

Older Microwave

tardy geyser
#

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM BEEP

kind laurel
#

:shrugg:

#

I tried

scarlet musk
#

they just multihit sometimes if you're lucky

#

that's not mechanical depth

#

am i allowed to make a usestyle rework suggestion

indigo yacht
#

so it would constitute extreme effort

scarlet musk
#

it's worth it to make the mod better overall in the long run

#

we shouldn't be held back by relogic's 11 year old decision to make sword and spear swings extremely basic

#

imagine if there was a standardized system for making new swords and not every single sword had to be custom made

#

or a standardized way to rework the swing anims of pre-existing swords

#

like yeah it's a lot of work. but it's also worth it.

#

sometimes hard things are worth doing for the long term gain

novel belfry
#

i think we should just make them like that one upcoming orderbringer rework's custom swings

indigo yacht
novel belfry
indigo yacht
scarlet musk
scarlet musk
novel belfry
scarlet musk
indigo yacht
#

even if that's true, that doesn't mean the suggestion is valid

#

that's my point

dense ferry
#

What the fuck are you even arguing?

indigo yacht
#

reworking usestyle whatever

errant wren
#

extreme effort does typically invalidate a sugg yes

scarlet musk
dense ferry
#

Bro we aren't going to rework TERRARIA USESTYLES 😭

scarlet musk
coral pewter
dense ferry
#

Do you have ANY IDEA how much that would fucking break the game in half?

indigo yacht
scarlet musk
#

have you tried though

indigo yacht
#

what do you think all the melee rework mods do

errant wren
#

gonna trust rebecca here

dense ferry
#

Oh idk have you tried reworking how items are used in a game with SEVEN HUNDRED OF THEM?

indigo yacht
scarlet musk
#

like should this not be a community-wide modding effort

#

to figure out how to make usestyle1 not suck ass

dense ferry
#

THAT'S NOT OUR JOB

scarlet musk
#

girl can you stop shouting at me for no reason

#

you're being like soooooo hostile for no reason whatsoever

royal tapir
#

Rebecca it's not worth it I fear

scarlet musk
#

am i actually about to get crashed out at for talking about usestyle1 fix

#

thats enough cal discord for today

errant wren
#

what uh, what actually is usestyle1 again?

grim tusk
#

yea no reworking UseStyles will fucking nuke mod compat

errant wren
#

the standard sword right?

grim tusk
errant wren
#

i see

dense ferry
#

Vanilla made usestyle1 and reworking how that works would literally mean "redo how the entire fucking Melee class work". That would be a massive effort in so many levels it's genuinely insane to me how you have not considered it.

Sure, maybe it could be done by TMod, but that's not Calamity. We have recently been moving past the philosophy of entirely uprooting Vanilla's functionalities, and this is not something worth breaking.

grim tusk
#

and heck mods that change UseStyle1 already suffer from lots of compat issues

dense ferry
#

Sure, it would be better, but it's quite simply not our job

errant wren
#

don't a bajillion items outside of weapons technically also use usestyle1

#

or am i hallucinating that

dense ferry
#

As I always say, Calamity already has years upon years of dated design for us to fix

#

We don't have to add Vanilla's baggage on top of that

novel belfry
#

Yknow what? I'm gonna be honest. Rebecca, I think you are unnecessarily rude whenever you try to convey your disagreements. You seemingly just lack the capacity to not crashout whenever you happen to disagree with literally anyone. It's annoying to hear what you have to say because of this sorta wording.

scarlet musk
#

agree

dense ferry
#

Ok

#

I'm not gonna do that anymore

#

👍

scarlet musk
grim tusk
#

also for latest sugg: im not sure if this is ❗ or not

keen zodiac
#

they got permission

#

from donor

grim tusk
#

i mean the reasoning

royal tapir
#

This is like the 6th time this suggestion has been posted

half imp
#

We rework use styles

#

but only with an accessory on

grim tusk
#

its just do this and that cuz it would be cool

indigo yacht
royal tapir
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Reworking a use style is not a burden I'm dealing with

indigo yacht
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i think it actually was rewrote oncw

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since it wasn't fine originally

novel belfry
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Anyways, on the topic of usestyles: you can make this a config

scarlet musk
dense ferry
indigo yacht
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oh boy config bloa

half imp
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good thing there's 39 more of us

novel belfry
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or actually

grim tusk
half imp
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but yeah I just

errant wren
half imp
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Don't care to do it

grim tusk
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it will cause so many fucking bug reports

royal tapir
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And how many of those 39 are interested in creating and constantly maintaining this

grim tusk
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please do not

novel belfry
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this is genuinely a "this should be done by a different mod" moment

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like, genuinely

dense ferry
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Yes

royal tapir
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The answer is no more than 1, if even 1

grim tusk
novel belfry
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I would probably suggest downloading one of those sword swingies

half imp
novel belfry
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OR

indigo yacht
grim tusk
coral pewter
half imp
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just do it better than they do smh

novel belfry
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maybe one day i'll randomly suggest to redigit in a random convo to update usestyle1 to be directional

errant wren
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i think it would end up being easier to just make custom animations

novel belfry
coral pewter
grim tusk
half imp
grim tusk
tepid crown
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calamity should rework all uhh

half imp
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I have set up all the stuff for it to be baby simple

tepid crown
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spellbooks

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all of them

dense ferry
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Calamity should rework everything because I hate Terraria

tepid crown
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true !

half imp
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Spitting

grim tusk
errant wren
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calamity should become a standalone title

tardy geyser
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uh all torches should light a circular area

tepid crown
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its 2035 qol mods simply give u wat u need for ur next bosd

grim tusk
royal tapir
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Stuck in the past

half imp
tepid crown
half imp
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where literally

grim tusk
tepid crown
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🐌

half imp
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I almost made it auto gear, potion, boss mark, and everything

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but then I got lazy

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my testing mod will probably have it in the future though

novel belfry
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why are we giving the repost message snail reactions

indigo yacht
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snailed to death rip

novel belfry
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and not the og

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there

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we can snail that one and not kill it

scarlet musk
north oracle
half imp
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I kinda

grim tusk
half imp
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wanna make a use style 1 rework that just doesn't have compatibility issues

grim tusk
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actually its been quite a while since i got Dormant Dawn reports

north oracle
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iirc it made inf bosses with death animations not drop loot (specifically provi and DoG)

half imp
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I wonder how doable...

grim tusk
north oracle
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don't know if it still does, haven't actually seen it in a while

grim tusk
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used to be in the known bugs

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still is i think (altho the mod doesnt even load with Cal now)

north oracle
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ah yep that would do it

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can't have inf bosses not dropping loot if you can't even get the mod on with cal

scarlet musk
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yk doze you're a chill guy

half imp
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No

scarlet musk
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👍

tepid crown
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doze isnt sane

half imp
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Yes

royal tapir
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doze who zoze

north oracle
tepid crown
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doze is good at pretending to be sane tho

half imp
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true

errant wren
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thank you john wulfrum acrobatics pack for being you

scarlet musk
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we can rebuild him

north oracle
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"you're chill"
"no"

scarlet musk
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we have the wulfrum acrobatics pack

half imp
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Double snail bc it's two messages