suggestions-discussion

[humble scarab]

he said he dislike crafting alcohols like if he was using all of them

he crafts potions by hand but doesnt like he have to craft 1 or 2 more

[indigo yacht]

last night i was too tired to do more than inform them why their suggestion was flagged but i gotta say this is just pathetic

it's just so lazy

alcohols arent even that good 🥀

[humble scarab]

"im not using QoL, but i dislike spending time to craft"

like QoL exists for that purpose

i cant imagine using chests in calamity

[indigo yacht]

it's really not hard

[humble scarab]

ye, but im not fond of sorting chests but thats me issue

and thats why i use magic storage

[frail mantle]

alright we don't need to dogpile on them

[indigo yacht]

mb i just woke up

[humble scarab]

sry, i just went too deep

[indigo yacht]

im very irritable in the morning

[frail mantle]

they've already been told that the formatting is bad, iunno if it breaks any rules outright but if they fix it we'll let the council decide this one's fate

[vocal moth]

Me personally i use some qol like fargos for bags and the annoying stuff like endo essence and such and building houses when i js want npcs

[ornate shale]

Just woke up, I'm not some lazy asshole who hates calamity mod and fun, I spend hours of my game at my blood moon farm to get every other potion, 2,000 blood orbs is about enough for me and my friends to take on one boss and that takes a minimun of half an hour and sometimes I spend more time farming just blood orbs than killing the bosses. It's boring it brings gameplay to a dead halt and there are so many alchohols that to get the five that everybody wants would expound everything a ton.(we're bad or whatever I get it but death mode is hard)

[grim tusk]

just install Alch NPC in the meantime I guess

current alcohol crafting is a temporary measure

[tiny dragon]

The alcohol recipes are incredibly simple anyway

[grim tusk]

also you can use the vanilla way to get potions, often more convenient for the herb ones once you set it up (and Cal literally gives you planter boxes and seeds)

[tiny dragon]

Like it’s just ale and then one or two materials

[grim tusk]

the only thing I can see being annoying is the potions that need fishing, but those arent that problematic with all the fishing accessories anyways

[ornate shale]

For One of the potions, the simpld crafting material is dropped by plantera

In real life if I wanna drink a piña colota I go to a bar I dont kill rünðögrŕ god of beaches

[humble scarab]

Expecially when you play with friends, blood orbs aint efficient beside for avoiding fishing for specific pots. Its better to place big amount of planter boxes and make a farm

And use staff of regrowth

[ornate shale]

Do you play with qol mods?

[humble scarab]

How thats matter?

I played vanilla

Mostly

[ornate shale]

Axe of regrouth doesn't work pn planet boxes iirc

[humble scarab]

Started playing with alchemist npc lite cuz doing that every playthrough gets boring

[tiny dragon]

Yes it does

[lavish condor]

calamity changes this iirc

[humble scarab]

I said staff

Idk if axe works

[lavish condor]

oh yeah staff not axe

[ornate shale]

So at least we agree there's a problem

[tiny dragon]

Pretty sure the axe works since I usually use that for my potion farms

[humble scarab]

No?

I played more than 10 playthroughz

[tiny dragon]

Honestly I found AlchemistNPC more boring than just crafting the potions manually

But that’s because I’m the person who likes doing smaller stuff during boss downtime

[humble scarab]

And now i started using those less

[ornate shale]

I have 1,000 hours played and I take forever on playthoughs but still, I'm where you are

[lavish condor]

I rarely ever bother with the alcohols are they even that good?

[indigo yacht]

meh

[humble scarab]

I would rather do a farm

[tiny dragon]

Depends

[indigo yacht]

sometimes

[ornate shale]

I think so

[gilded citrus]

Can be

[humble scarab]

Than wasting time doing smth alone

[tiny dragon]

Stuff like Star Beam Rye and Moonshine is pretty useful

[humble scarab]

Blood orbs aint efficient on multi

Like i said

[ornate shale]

I build during my downtime

[humble scarab]

Its more waste of time

Than making big farm

When you struggle with bosses

[indigo yacht]

if you just harvest herbs proactively you dont even need a very big farm

on a playthrough i had with a friend we had like over 200 of each herb when we needed them just bc i would harvest them pretty much whenever they were ready

it's not hard

just put them in view of your spawn point so you can see them every time you recall

[ornate shale]

I have a farm too, even with all that I choose to go with blood orbs. Granted, I didn't know out staff of regrowth but it's super hard to keep track of what plabts grow what and what I need to fish for instead of grow

[lavish condor]

is the sugg exclamed because of this?

[indigo yacht]

use the guide or recipe browser or something to keep track of what fish you need

[ornate shale]

Not to mention the best potions (wrath, rage, endurance, lifeforce) and all gotten from fishing

[lavish condor]

any planter boxes grow any plant, it's kinda unintuitive that it's that way but it's super convenient

[humble scarab]

For those,yes, blood orbs are good

[indigo yacht]

i think they meant the blooming condition

[humble scarab]

But you waste blood orbs on other pots

[ornate shale]

That's half of the potions I use!

[humble scarab]

And your friends?

[ornate shale]

And I try to craft mana regen and magic power

[gilded citrus]

Simple solution
Stop using potions

[ornate shale]

They use those as a minimum

[lavish condor]

wrath rage endurance and lifeforce potions are the only ones I bother with unless I have a infinite potions mod or need class-specific potions

[ornate shale]

cries in skill issue

[gilded citrus]

L

[indigo yacht]

in like 8 minutes (duration of fishing/sonar potions) you can get upwards of 40 or 50 of any given potion fish with alluring bait, sonar potion, and an otherwise mediocre fishing setup

with an alchemy table that's about 60 potions or so

get your friends to each fish for a different fish and then bam

[indigo yacht]

with the exceptions of like. chaos fish and the stupid fucking lava fish

i hate you obsidifish 💜

[fleet grotto]

chaos fish are only (currently) used in teleportation potions (and the food) iirc so getting them doesn't really matter

[grim tusk]

kind of but not really:
the reasoning is bad and doesnt answer “why?”
the how is specific (npc, also tavernkeep doesnt have inventory space) when we could do something else

[ornate shale]

Here's the why: potion crafting is a mechanic that so few people dnjoy that one of the most popular mods gets rid of it outright. As one of the few who doesn't use the mod because I wanna play the intended experience, the change from shop item to crafting recepie makes something that was simple and easy deciadably less simple and easy. And it's only a change that the small minority that don't use alch npc will feel

It feels like punishing the group that wants to play base calamity

[grim tusk]

and that should be in the suggestion, not here

[indigo yacht]

"small minority that don't use alchemist npc"

and that's assuming every single alchemist npc user plays calamity which is definitely untrue

[grim tusk]

tbh I thought it would be more people

altho UsefulNPCs exists

[indigo yacht]

tbf there are a couple of different mods that exist

but i think it's more likely that people who dislike potions are simply much more vocal about it, so it seems like there's more of them

[fleet grotto]

idk how the alcohols are crafted, do they use any herbs/fish?

[tiny dragon]

Its just Ale + 1 or 2 materials

[grim tusk]

some use herbs iirc, no fish

[tiny dragon]

Scoria, Living Shards, Ectoplasm, etc

[fleet grotto]

because that's the most annoying part of getting potions, everything else is simple

[tiny dragon]

There's also Blood Orb recipes for them too

[fleet grotto]

ic

[fleet grotto]

makes sense

[indigo yacht]

idt any use herbs

it's just generic crafting materials and some boss drops

i can understand the boss drops being annoying but the crafting materials??

[tiny dragon]

Grape Beer and Red Wine use grapes

[fleet grotto]

calamity makes potion crafting so easy (presumably even easier in sso thanks to the planter box change)

[indigo yacht]

you can buy those from the dryad

[gritty acorn]

alchnpc is for nerds

[tiny dragon]

The only one I can see being problematic (especially in Ploo's case since they stated they play multiplayer) is the ones that need Living Shards

[fleet grotto]

says you

you nerd

[gritty acorn]

nuh uh

[tiny dragon]

[gritty acorn]

i decline the nerd accusations

[indigo yacht]

I'd sooner complain about the bullets or arrows than alcohol tbh

especially since i don't think any of the recipes that use it are particularly good

[gritty acorn]

there should be more ammo reservation accessories imo

ammos should be infinite end game

like theres no way you have the ability to kill gods

but your weakness is running out of bullets

[indigo yacht]

Caribbean rum is literally just a downgrade (mostly) to normal rum, evergreen gin is niche at best, and idk if margarita is any good but i would hazard probably not great

[gritty acorn]

i just use purple haze

also ravager should drop blood orbs

actually nah blood orbs are broken enough

[tiny dragon]

The only alcohols that I end up using are Moonshine, Moscow Mule, Tequilla Sunrise (depending on the boss), and Star Beam Rye if I'm playing mage

everything else is situational

[distant gyro]

margarita is a sleeper

[tiny dragon]

I can see Margarita being useful in the endgame fights with all the fire debuffs

[distant gyro]

if nothing else its has a greater heal value than a greater healing potion

[tiny dragon]

I could see it synergizing well with Radiance now that I think about it

[indigo yacht]

oh it heals you?

actually that seems decent

[tiny dragon]

wait what

it does

[distant gyro]

its a super healing potion worth by itself

[tiny dragon]

200 HP and Mana, didn't know that

[frail fox]

I noticed that while looking at alcohols the other day

[distant gyro]

-30 health per minute

so more like 170

[tiny dragon]

Surprised that's not in the tooltip

[frail fox]

Never used it but seems pretty good

Grape beer

[tiny dragon]

can't this be offset anyway with a regen accessory

[distant gyro]

yes

[echo leaf]

Grape Beer is really funny

[echo leaf]

Red Wine is peam

Red Wine with Baguette heals more than Super Healing Potions at the cost of just one alcohol slot you probably weren’t using anyways

Stock Tequila is also really nice early on when there aren’t many good alcohols

[dense frost]

Aclahol

[dense locust]

it doesnt even use an achohol slot

its bugged

[echo leaf]

It does, but only for the 15s after you drink it

[dense locust]

it does not

the 15 second debuff just doesnt occur

[echo leaf]

I could have sworn it did

Is that new to this update?

[dense locust]

it was in the prevoius versionb

it doesnt even reduce life regen

its just a strictly better healing potion

[echo leaf]

I could have SWORN it dis

ffs

[grim tusk]

iirc thats fixed now

downside is still negligible lmao

[half imp]

either way alcohol has plans

[echo leaf]

it is, which is why I consider it just better than super healing potions

[indigo yacht]

i thought that it was just niche and weird up until 5 seconds ago when i saw the debuff duration

yeah ok whatever

220/235 health (baguette and red wine disagree on negative life regen)

[fickle rapids]

i need beers and wines

pint of Guinness item when

[half imp]

we have two wines

[fickle rapids]

is there guinness

going for a pint w calamitas

[gritty plaza]

thatcher's when

let us do something with apples

[tardy geyser]

So true, the possibilities...

We must ferment the fruits to make the alcohol

[crude geode]

This isn’t Stardew valley

[glass arch]

but it CAN be

[crude geode]

When you install calamity mod it just launches Stardew instead

[errant wren]

terraria but every time you get hit you have to do a full community center in stardew valley

[coral carbon]

its like that mod that force opens metal gear rising revengeance any time you die

[indigo yacht]

terraria if it was good

(notice how terraria closes and another game opens)

[indigo yacht]

genuine question:

why the FUCK are you using a zerg potion in the dungeon

[fleet grotto]

this is a common problem for me too iagree with this suggestion

[fleet grotto]

dungeon has a lot of things

[drowsy plank]

phantoplasm

or whatever the fuck it's called at this point

[fleet grotto]

necro

but ye

[indigo yacht]

i die enough without spawn boosters

[drowsy plank]

skill issue

[errant wren]

red goopy sh-

[novel belfry]

i want my ectoplasm and phan--err, necroplasm

[indigo yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/crowpunk-cat-cheese-cheese-challenge-meme-gif-7001222862720148174

why not just give them a despawn timer or smth though

[novel belfry]

hmm

[indigo yacht]

like a minute or something

[novel belfry]

there are other options

[fleet grotto]

the pink stands for the estrogen

[indigo yacht]

being able to kill a blazing wheel just seems odd

[errant wren]

it would be nice if they just broke/fizzled out

like the ball just goes flying like a boulder

[fleet grotto]

blazing wheel is a lot better as it at least moves

[errant wren]

moves and might despawn if it goes far enough

...

[novel belfry]

okay admittedly i was going to suggest making Blazing Wheels killable, but hmm

[errant wren]

do blazing wheels and snails share an ai or am i just stupid

[indigo yacht]

asking the real questions

[glass arch]

better idea give them a static length

[errant wren]

basically my fizzling out idea

[fleet grotto]

I feel like spike balls have an actual kill method that could make sense

[coral carbon]

make spike balls not TITLE CARD

[fleet grotto]

fucking

[glass arch]

or if that doesnt happen, make them swing slower the longer they are

[fleet grotto]

break them with a pickaxd

the base

[tepid crown]

if theyre invincible why can i see them???????

[errant wren]

i thought that already worked; probably thinking of something different

[fleet grotto]

yeah they're just indestructible

[indigo yacht]

reasonable

they should damage you actually like demon altars do in phm

[errant wren]

if it hits you in a way that would realistically slam you into a wall it just instantly kills you

"wall"

but something that makes them despawn could probably be nice

[olive saddle]

they should be indestructible, if you die by a fuckin blazing wheel in hm then thats a skill issue

[prisma sedge]

This is about spike balls

I mean, I agree that blazing wheels are kind of a joke once you get (good) wings, but spike balls are just annoying

[indigo yacht]

don't they take up an enemy slot or something

I'm pretty sure that's what this is about

[novel belfry]

I almost included flame wheels in this sugg but I thought otherwise

[errant wren]

make blazing wheels hurl themselves at you like turtles in hardmode, obviously

[fleet grotto]

Spike balls are more annoying because they also deal defense damags!!!

[oblique birch]

defense damage jump scare

[indigo yacht]

@wraith axle your suggestion needs to have reasoning

and unfortunately "it would be cool" does not count

also that's way way too long but i digress

[errant wren]

neat idea, pretty specific, doesn't really address any issue with the mod, and would need artists

sounds like an add-on mod sort of deal imo

[wraith axle]

Well I mean I know there are mods like the GameTerraria and the wrath of the gods where beating the mod’s strongest or secret final boss rewards the player with a title screen varient and usually there aren’t any other mods like that besides the calamity mods and forgos (which kinda counts)

[errant wren]

yeah but like
that still doesn't really address anything

[indigo yacht]

suggestions are for solving problems with the mod

[wraith axle]

Oooohhh

I didn’t know that

[umbral gazelle]

i think the suggestion is too long too

[fleet grotto]

Also I think this suggestion is too focused on what specifically to add

[fleet grotto]

Very

[errant wren]

i (kind of) said like two of those things already

not the length thing but you know

[indigo yacht]

wrong gif

[errant wren]

lmao

[fleet grotto]

man I wish ifavorited that

[indigo yacht]

ill dm it to you

[fleet grotto]

Thanks elsi

[wraith axle]

Well the different backgrounds were meant to mainly be involved with bosses that were more connected to the lore

[errant wren]

-# dm it to me also i wanted to see it

anyways

uhhh

[indigo yacht]

you can reason this as a problem to be solved

[errant wren]

in theory, at least

[indigo yacht]

just say like, "adding new backgrounds would help integrate the lore surrounding the bosses visually into the terraria world" or something idk

i dotn write suggestions

[indigo yacht]

it's a weak argument though that still heavily relies on the now-implied 'it would be cool'

[errant wren]

even without the essence of "it would be cool," this still would run into the issue of needing artists

which is a given

[indigo yacht]

add eutrophic glass walls

[errant wren]

ok but those are already in

and were planned already even before suggs about it i think (i'm probably wrong on that part)

[indigo yacht]

yeah i know

[grim tusk]

holy shit

this is probably the mother of all serious Specific Suggestions

[indigo yacht]

they should add purple zapinator for post moon lor

[grim tusk]

@wraith axle asking for more backgrounds is not wrong but you need to answer why should we do it without it being “it would be cool” or “other mods do it”. As well as not being too specific and a wall of text

I suggest you read the pinned doc

[grim tusk]

these suggestions tend to be accepted as long as they arent specific as hell. They just take a loooooooooong time to get to

[soft tulip]

[errant wren]

i see

i guess i should've expected that

[weary bane]

Extra title screens would be neat but if they are planned they'd definitely be very low priority

[muted geyser]

Tbf you guys do have conflicting information on the guide, the first one says “make it as detailed as possible.” And then when you check out the doc it says “no forget it where sick of that don’t be hyper specific.” I tinkered with my wing suggestion nonstop until I thought it was right in the middle of the two opinions but overall it was still very confusing, my best guess is that you guys updated one guide but forgot to update the other (this is just a hypothesis don’t shoot me I very well might be wrong.)

[weary bane]

They would be a nice marker of progress through the mod as tmod doesnt have achievement support yet but i get that they'd be a bit unneccesary

[muted geyser]

Actually it does have achievement support, calamity just has better things to do than add it (I don’t blame them it seems very niche and they have a mountain as big as the aerie of things that need to get done.)

[gilded citrus]

It does?

[weary bane]

I thought it didnt

[muted geyser]

Yea there’s a mod called achievement lib that can be used to add inbuilt achievements for any mod, tons of smaller mods like consolaria use it

[weary bane]

But that's not tmodloader

That's a library

[gilded citrus]

Calamity doesnt want to rely on outside mods too much iirc

Hence why they may try to make an inbuilt subworld system for calamity iirc

[weary bane]

I'm talking tmodloader itself adding achievements

Because it's a thing tmod eventually wants to add (though there hasnt been any progress in a while apparently)

[muted geyser]

Even if it did happen it’s still probably out of the question, the mods that add achievements are very much complete and calamity is anything but, devs are very busy with balancing, not to mention the upcoming biome reworks, and we’ll, the aerie. I might be dead wrong but this seems like a very niche thing most people don’t care about that they simply don’t have the time for.

[gilded citrus]

The distortion is also another subworld they will make

[muted geyser]

I completely forgot about it my mind is on the sunken sea and the aerie (I’m a yharim addict so my mind is always on that one.)

[weary bane]

You probably dont make a list of 80 named achievements if you dont want to implement them

[muted geyser]

Remember that very important part where I said it’s a hypothesis and i could be wrong? Yea that’s why it’s important, does calamity have 80 achievements thought up and ready to be added? If so what’s your source.

[frail mantle]

i know for a fact there was a document full of achievement ideas back in the day

but that's over two and a half years ago god knows what's happened to that since

[muted geyser]

And also the dev team has taken a literal 180 for the better since that era, who is to say that doc wasn’t one of Fabsols nutty ideas back when he still had control?

[frail mantle]

idk man like i said i have no idea if the ideas in the doc are still ones they want to go through with

[tepid crown]

#calamity-update-talk message

[frail mantle]

all i know is that, at some point, they did very much express the want to add achievements

[muted geyser]

Given that it’s Ozzy that said that yea my hypothesis appears to be wrong, in that case adding new menu titles for bosses seems even stupider if we’re getting a minecraft forge esque achievement system one day to guide us through the whole mod.

Although nothing is getting added if rabbit doesn’t trim that suggestion before it gets nuked into next Tuesday

[weary bane]

The part that made the suggestion invalid was just the fact that they actually gave specifics on the content ( aka which title screens to add ), for the rest just a suggestion for title screens is fine

[indigo yacht]

there's a difference between detailing why something's an issue and how that issue could potentially be solved and "add specifically this to the game that deals 17 damage and has a use time of 5 and is named-"

which is the distinction implied by the guide

[prisma sedge]

If I recall, I think they were actually considering using the subworld library, since it's improved a lot over time and making an in-house subworld system is...not exactly a piece of cake

[serene tendon]

Doesn't Infernum use it as well?

[ripe owl]

No, they have custom ones

[indigo yacht]

@swift sinew you're going to have to shorten that, it's much too long

almost twice the max character length

[swift sinew]

Wait what?

[dense frost]

It's too ling

[swift sinew]

There’s a max limit now

[dense frost]

Yeah

[indigo yacht]

1000 characters, not including the title

[swift sinew]

Ahh dam

[severe sparrow]

there always has been one

[indigo yacht]

i think the suggestion is fine otherwise

[swift sinew]

That’s a little strange as I’ve posted this before a few years ago

[indigo yacht]

just, you're writing a suggestion, not an argumentative essay

[swift sinew]

And it got past this section

[swift sinew]

Fair enough

I’ll rewrite it then another time

[grim tusk]

also dedicated item

you gotta ask permission to Amber

[indigo yacht]

[swift sinew]

I have

It was stated in the message

[grim tusk]

alr then

[indigo yacht]

the second line said they had permission

[swift sinew]

Thank you

[grim tusk]

didnt see, just saw wall of text after the title before it got deleted

[swift sinew]

But yeah I understand so got to remove a lot of the text to get to the limit - dam it worked before haha
But I guess it’s been a few years, so things change

[indigo yacht]

oh wait shade do you know if anyone has made a bug report for dash keybind working while stunned?

i just remembered it does that

[grim tusk]

it what

never heard of it

[indigo yacht]

like when you have a debuff that's supposed to restrict mobility

ok I'll look into that then

[indigo yacht]

i remember stoned and glacial state do this and it's very funny

idt normal, double tap dashes work

[swift sinew]

Just so I’m aware, as i’m probably not impartial, what area is argumentative?

I thought explaining why you would like the change is important?

Apologies if it seems obvious, I just obvious

[prisma sedge]

I kind of want to do a rewrite of TitledRabbit's suggestion if they never get around to editing it, because I like the idea behind it

[indigo yacht]

good luck with that

[dense frost]

Fecal sword out of fertoloser

[half imp]

hmm

what if there was just a limit to the amount of blazing wheels and spike balls

like 10 or each or something

[misty lichen]

why not make them expire after living for like 30 seconds or something

what would a limit change

[fleet grotto]

i've personally rarely seen more than 3 which is still annoying especially when im just about to fucking summon polterghast ahhhhhh

a limit of 10 probably wouldnt do too much

[errant wren]

i feel like anything that makes them more of a threat while also making them despawn would be good

[indigo yacht]

the deal extra damage if the player is within 1000 blocks of a green candy cane block

[errant wren]

i was gonna say make blazing wheels jump out and explode into an inferno ball but that's funnier

we're going with elsi's idea

[fleet grotto]

if blazing wheels touch eachother, they grow in size and damage

by merging

[indigo yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/true-feel-that-thats-true-cat-funny-cat-feel-that-true-cat-gif-6483674433473471343

[crude geode]

[fleet grotto]

this also resets their theoretical spawn timer

[errant wren]

how would it deal with direction if they're the same size

[crude geode]

they become stationary, duh

[errant wren]

[fleet grotto]

flip cion

[errant wren]

probably for the best

shouldn't the end result be faster too?

because math and circles

[indigo yacht]

yes

it becomes faster but also stationary

[errant wren]

silence but it gets faster

[fleet grotto]

it just spins faster

[crude geode]

unlimited blazing wheels

but no blazing wheels

[errant wren]

blazing circle

[crude geode]

🔴

[indigo yacht]

give blazing wheels homing

actually that would be hilarious

[fleet grotto]

a 4 star blazing wheel (max) needs 117 blazing wheels

[errant wren]

give blazing wheels literally anything

[indigo yacht]

turn the lorde into a blazing wheel

[errant wren]

in all seriousness blazing wheels should become more of but not entirely a threat later on

make it redirect projectiles

[echo leaf]

the real threat is fucking up afk farms

[crude geode]

idk if I really care about afk farms when considering suggestions tbfh

[prisma sedge]

Make it give you increasing levels of fire debuffs on hit
Post-ML blazing wheels giving you Godslayer Inferno

[gritty plaza]

calamitas is powering them so after you beat scal they deal 0 damage

[serene tendon]

Seems like an added benefit to me

[echo leaf]

They don't make afk farming impossible

It just makes building them more complicated

My solution was just to dig a small hole through the roof of the room I've built in and extend it out to beyond the range at which entities instantly despawn

They still spawn and occupy the mob cap for way longer than I'd like them to, but it's good enough

[serene tendon]

Yeah, if one finds a clever workaround to the change, then that's even better! At any rate it encourages not just looking up a tutorial, which is the most important thing imo

If you build and design it yourself, you have accomplished something, and I respect that

[echo leaf]

I definitely had fun troubleshooting it :>

let me see if I can get a screenshot of the final product

Actually all the pics I have are old. Unfortunate

[golden sonnet]

This suggestion isn't really true

If you spawn him in the same spot the pillars will be in the same spot every time

I have an arena I use every playthrough and the walls are always perfectly blocking them

[indigo yacht]

i don't think it's saying that's not true

just that there'll be a half block of empty space on one side

or something

ngl seems kind of a pointless change but go off queen

[echo leaf]

This exactly

I have a build just like the one I describe

I can't perfectly align the rightmost pillar. The left one is perfect, but the right is too far inwards by half a block

[indigo yacht]

add vertical slabs

[errant wren]

honestly based

[novel belfry]

im so sad that this didnt get in
#suggestions-voting message

i genuinely want these items to be renamed, 😭

[indigo yacht]

wait did that not make it to voting???????

[novel belfry]

sadly, seems everything else was popular

[indigo yacht]

crazy competition

[novel belfry]

well hopefully the competition this time wont be stacked against my favor

[indigo yacht]

perhaps a losing battle there's already been a ton of suggestions the last two weeks

[novel belfry]

then i'll just stop voting

except for mine

do the reverse of what i've been doing for years

[frail fox]

This is good since it’s a higher pool to choose from and more will be chosen

[indigo yacht]

i was hoping for one of mine to get to voting, and they did well, by uhhh so did like everything else lol

[indigo yacht]

that's true but also if they send more and continue the observed trend then its less likely to be

[fleet grotto]

oh i know

Metanova Ore/Bars

[indigo yacht]

banned

[echo leaf]

just readd astrageldon

steal all the relevant files from Catalyst

[indigo yacht]

checks roles
cannot find developer role
thank god

[echo leaf]

That'll be changing soon

[indigo yacht]

HWAT

[echo leaf]

The world will burn

Witch Doctor will be buffed

And Astrageldon will return

[errant wren]

they should have me as an official ideaswoman

i think all of my ideas are good and should definitely be implemented

[indigo yacht]

i think you should be

[errant wren]

i should be what

[errant wren]

ah okay

[restive wharf]

#suggestions-voting message

Title card...

[tardy geyser]

i lost adrenaline to a spiky ball once while fighting polter

[ashen warren]

Is this the best Crabulon song?

https://youtu.be/iUOJ_mO0w-o?si=YIKsYa34XJIlklIE

[fickle rapids]

i like this astral ore suggestion

[umbral gazelle]

@thorn dock adjustment*

[thorn dock]

Ty

[umbral gazelle]

np

[grim tusk]

donor item suggestions

[echo leaf]

suggestion is also too long

[worthy lintel]

mucho texto

[echo leaf]

I'm not opposed to mucho texto

But the bot is dumb and stupid and can't handle all these letters

[indigo yacht]

people are too used to using ram dashes

there's like 7 bosses that ninja belt is pretty good on and 2/3 (arguably 3/3 but you still use a ram for yharon so that kind of defeats my argument) that void sash is very good on

[distant gyro]

actually its a dev enforced rule to prevent people from waffling too much

its half of the bot's physical limits (which is also the standard discord character limit)

[echo leaf]

Ah, makes sense

[echo leaf]

I LOVE the master ninja gear line

[oblique birch]

I use both together

I think that's pretty good 😇

[indigo yacht]

yeah honestly it's really good, although ninja belt is still a bit lacking in bosses it works against

but like

you don't need a ram for every single boss in the game

[echo leaf]

If it had the same dashing behavior as Asgard's Valor it'd be great

I dunno if this is an Infernum thing since it reduces the dash cooldown, but Valor seems to have a more "spammable" dash which can be reinput sooner

[indigo yacht]

probably partially that but also valor is just shorter I think

[echo leaf]

Yeah, I know Tabi has a longer dash distance

Actually let me sub that

[indigo yacht]

oh i didn't even read the end, "a weak accessory much more viable"

one thing the ninja belt line is NOT is unviable

it's still one of two dodge accessories and imo half the time, the objectively better one

The dash is weak, sure, but that's only a third of the accessory and hardly makes the whole thing weak

people should use tabi line more

[echo leaf]

It's a dodge and a dash in one accessory slot. That alone makes it very desirable

the upgraded variants of MNG also boost jump speed which is like

hell yeah

[indigo yacht]

what is this even asking for
#suggestions-posting message

i thought it just wanted to apply the debuffs for damage dealt as well as damage taken but then it said something about holding the claw???

[echo leaf]

Instead of Baroclaw being a retribution effect

It'd be an Abyssal Amulet kinda thing

It makes sense, I think it's a good suggestion

just kinda poorly worded, is all

[indigo yacht]

kinda boring

if i had to buff baroclaw I'd just give it immunity to defense damage on a cooldown

would barely affect normal gameplay but would be slightly helpful during boss fights

[echo leaf]

That seems like a GTS thing

[olive saddle]

defense damage should die

annoying ass mechanic

[indigo yacht]

@echo leaf you need permission from the donor unless this is an oversight (which it seems like it is) in which case it should go in #1052323733961977947

[echo leaf]

ah fuck I forgot this was a dedicated item

I'll double check. Because this technically isn't a donor item

It's dedicated

[indigo yacht]

oh hm

i assume the rules are the same

[olive saddle]

this will surely make the camper good again

[tepid crown]

would need confirmation if the items functions were decided by the dedicatee or not

[olive saddle]

i feel like dedicated coule ne different, did the person themselves design the concept of the item?

[echo leaf]

I don't think that the rules doc has the word donor or dedicated on it at all

Which seems like an issue which gotta get fixed

[olive saddle]

donor makes sense

and dev too

but dedicated feels like it could be exempt because the person never really asked for it..?

[echo leaf]

Exactly my thought process

[olive saddle]

also this is a very nonpoint but its the fucking camper it needs all it can get

[echo leaf]

TRUE

I'm using it right now

[gilded citrus]

make camper work when not standing still aswell

[echo leaf]

It's just worse than Cryo Stone (which nobody uses in the first place lmao)

I can't remember why I had it in the first place. Infinite Poo AFK farm?

[olive saddle]

cryo stone doesn't have an overwhelmingly punishing detriment for doing a vital part of gameplay

isnt it like 10% total damage dealt when moving

[echo leaf]

0.1x damage iirc, yeah

[echo leaf]

WHAT

[indigo yacht]

scroll down

[echo leaf]

the fuck

[indigo yacht]

there's not really anything about non-donation and non-dev items

[lavish condor]

oof lmao

[olive saddle]

this feels like a ping roverdrive moment

[echo leaf]

oh it's just my fucking browser being stupid

[olive saddle]

this item just gets worse

[echo leaf]

I fucking hate google chrome man

[echo leaf]

LOL

That's beautiful

[olive saddle]

surely the camper will see its light of day again

[indigo yacht]

wait you guys didn't know about that? 😭

[gilded citrus]

so it kinda uh, nerfs by 99%?

[indigo yacht]

yeah camper is in pain

[lavish condor]

seemingly multiplicative too

[echo leaf]

I genuinely can't remember why i was using camper

I think I wanted a second passive damage aura atop cryo stone

[lavish condor]

200 dps aura seems nice for afk farms or fishing ig

[olive saddle]

cryo stone at least doest totally fuck you over like camper does

[gilded citrus]

you can prob get better dps with turrets

[echo leaf]

cryo stone does better damage

[olive saddle]

it just doesn't really do much

[echo leaf]

and turrets deal better damage

[olive saddle]

[echo leaf]

and cryo stone has a longer range, inflicts knockback, two very helpful debuffs...

I'm not sure if camper cares about line of sight though

lets find out

[tepid crown]

spore sac would do better

[olive saddle]

please give it a singular fucking dub

[indigo yacht]

camper should just give buffs that can't already be obtained by placing down like 3 items

[gilded citrus]

camper has uhhhh, cool sprite>???

[echo leaf]

camper doesn't deal damage to super dummies, horray

[olive saddle]

its not even fucking cool like what is it

[echo leaf]

Camper enables an AFK infinite resource exploit

[gilded citrus]

i think some kind of bag

[echo leaf]

as long as you sit on a toilet whilst using Camper

[dense frost]

Wth is Camper

[echo leaf]

you will passively generate Poo forever

[gilded citrus]

what in the shit

[olive saddle]

oh wtf

[lavish condor]

does camper even inherit the shi;ny stone it uses in the recipe

[echo leaf]

infinite shit exploit

[echo leaf]

I'm not sure

[indigo yacht]

camper is a tf2 reference

[olive saddle]

an item which grants some bonus stats when standing still at the cost of 90% of your dps while moving

[indigo yacht]

therefore its good

[gilded citrus]

camper is so shit the only thing it has is making it a physical thing to use

[dense frost]

Okay

[olive saddle]

id look at it on the wiki

[echo leaf]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/The_Camper

[olive saddle]

the camper might even be outclassed by titanium armor?

[indigo yacht]

🔥

[olive saddle]

is that a stretch?

[echo leaf]

i can't even figure out how to test out the damage aura... I have a mob switch enabled

[indigo yacht]

make a new world babe

[echo leaf]

no stfu

i don't wanna go hit the button to turn it off

[indigo yacht]

💔

[gilded citrus]

then suffer

[echo leaf]

or cheat shit in i have a storage complex

i will find something in storage

[lavish condor]

can you like summon eoc or something?

or does mob switch stop that

[olive saddle]

funniest shitpost idea
report camper in the balance thread and mark it as a nerf request

[echo leaf]

Camper does ignore LoS

[echo leaf]

I can yeah

ultimately I summoned king slime and boxed byself in with solid blocks

[gilded citrus]

it can grant infinite hsit this is op please nerf

[echo leaf]

Camper seems to hit 5 times per second

Not sure of knockback

[lavish condor]

what if they removed shiny stone and bewitching table to make the item pre-boss
maybe nerf the defense and dot aura

[olive saddle]

this item is pathetic and not in like a fun but shit way but literally every single part of it

ive also never seen anyone defend or recommend it

[echo leaf]

infinite poo tho soooo...

[dense frost]

Terraria logic makes no sense, I'm not gonna go fight god after I ate a 5-star meal

[olive saddle]

ok hot take i dont think this is that op

its just poop

[dense frost]

It's not jist poop

[echo leaf]

dude you don't get it

[dense frost]

it's THE FECAL MATTER

[echo leaf]

it's unlimited shit

I'll finally have shits to give

[dense frost]

Exactly

[dense frost]

But 0 times infinity is still 0

[gilded citrus]

its not multiplicative its additive

[dense frost]

To you

Not to me

[echo leaf]

in all seriousness the only reason I think I was using it was for the unlimited food buff and damage aura

[dense frost]

I am think different

[echo leaf]

Saves on resources and assists Cryo Stone in killboxes

[oblique birch]

afk accessory

isn't that its purpose?

[dense frost]

What if i eat?

[gilded citrus]

isnt it bad among the afk accessories tho

[echo leaf]

Yeah, it just does a really, really terrible job at it

[oblique birch]

never tried it

it seems boring

[echo leaf]

The damage aura is very small

[dense frost]

90% damage is 'bit over kill

[gilded citrus]

i remember trying it against dog one time inbetween phases, i think shiny stone would have been better

[dense frost]

Perhaps, ultrakill in some sense

[lavish condor]

it's 99% if you're moving both when the projectile fires and when it lands because the -90% happens twice

[dense frost]

Oh

[echo leaf]

I vaguely remember finding out camper is weaker than shiny stone

[gilded citrus]

no way

[echo leaf]

Does camper count you as stationary if you're sitting in a chair...?

[tepid crown]

no knockback

lmao

[echo leaf]

LOL

[tepid crown]

yes

[gilded citrus]

it just kills things via the fact you are using iut hurts the enemies

[echo leaf]

yeah cryo stone inflicts Glacial State

Which traps them inside its range, but outside of you

and toxic heart just kinda kills them immediately

[oblique birch]

Toxic Heart ❤️

it's so good and super fun

[echo leaf]

I love it so much

I got it surgically implanted and I can't remove it

[olive saddle]

toxic heart seems annoying to get working

[lavish condor]

other than the damage of the aura the whole camper feels like it's pre-boss

[olive saddle]

however i haven't touched it

[echo leaf]

if you wanna make it turbo funny, yeah it's obnoxious

[oblique birch]

I used Toxic Heart on Scal because it is just that based 🥹

[echo leaf]

But for non-boss content, even the slowest heartbeats are great

the consistent-ish Plague debuff and bonus sickness damage is nice

[gilded citrus]

how quick can one get it to beat

[echo leaf]

0.35s/beat

[gilded citrus]

oh lol

[echo leaf]

Obtained at... I think it's... -30 life regen?

[frail fox]

Permanently inflicting myself with miracle blight to have it be fast

[echo leaf]

Yeah

-30 life regen, -15 HP/s for 0.35s/beat

The slowest it can possibly go is 7s/beat at 5 HP/s

[olive saddle]

i imagine removing it is like popping a gore nest in doom

[echo leaf]

Well of course it is. You're removing someone's heart pumping plague through them

[gilded citrus]

can i eat it

[echo leaf]

you can

but only once

[oblique birch]

worth

[gilded citrus]

worth

forbidden jellybean

[echo leaf]

fuit gummy

[hollow shell]

Did nobody ping Equinox telling them why their scarf sugg is invalid

It's just because it mentions incorporating Evasion Scarf, right?

[keen zodiac]

is evasion scarf donor or something

[hollow shell]

Yes.

[keen zodiac]

ah

[tepid crown]

they were pinged about it

i think it was shade that said smthn about it?

[tepid crown]

_ _

[hollow shell]

Is this a Discord failure

[tepid crown]

they werent pinged

im sorry

[hollow shell]

No, Shade didn't ping them

yeah

[errant wren]

banned for misinformation

[tepid crown]

:c

[hollow shell]

@split sleet Your suggestion is too long, it must be under 1000 characters.

Also, remove the mention of Evasion Scarf from your suggestion.

Evasion Scarf is a donor item so you must get permission from its dedicatee, @serene egret, first.

[echo leaf]

Oh hi rover

Are suggestions about Camper OK? Despite being dedicated content

[dense frost]

Camperfire

[hollow shell]

That dedicatee might still be around

@pale lintel

[crude geode]

I feel like people exclaim first, then ping, if they do at all

Seen it with others as well, not just Shade

Which is. frustrating.

[split sleet]

Thanks, I'll try and fix the suggestion

[pale lintel]

funny enough I myself don't like the item anymore because I designed it like... 7 years ago

[grim tusk]

I forgor

[hollow shell]

Would you be fine then with any suggestions altering it going forward? If you don't hold the item in much sanctity.

[pale lintel]

I didn't even attribute much to the item aside from the effects. the name, look and theme were set in stone beforehand and I was told to just come up with something that would fit an afk-centric item

(and a handful of "oh i dont like this but i feel too awkward to tell the nice mr. dev that they misunderstood my intent" a few times)

[hollow shell]

I see

So I assume that is permission?

Sorry, I'm digging for a Yes/No answer because we have a big spreadsheet stating which dedicatees must be contacted and which ones do not.

[pale lintel]

permission for what exactly, to rework the item? remove it?

[hollow shell]

Uhh any suggestions in #suggestions-posting which wants the item to be changed in some way
Removing it is off the table and full reworks probably wouldn't fly in that channel either,
but just stuff like

what you see here

Miscellaneous functional changes

Or adding some upgrade or predecessor to it

[pale lintel]

right. honestly if it were down to me I would just have it give all station buffs at all times because... why is it restricted to only giving you the one you hold? seems pretty arbitrary to me

I remember saying "the item should give you buff(s) depending on the type of item you hold"
my imagination: "melee weapon -> melee speed, crit, +5% movement speed on a tuesday"
reality: station buffs

but anyways, yes if theres any changes you want to make to the item I give permission to change it

[hollow shell]

I see (lol)

[hollow shell]

👍 Gotcha. Will note this down. Thank you

[pale lintel]

hypothetically speaking, if i wanted the item to be changed, would I be able to suggest stuff aswell? who do I reach out to in that case?

[hollow shell]

Gooood question
Yours is a unique case cuz you have a non-Patreon dedicated item

Lemme go ask

[pale lintel]

since well... my previous contact is no longer associated with the mod

[pale lintel]

one of very few in the mod as far as I'm aware lol

[hollow shell]

Indeed!

I've asked the devs now, I'll let you know their response

[pale lintel]

thank you, feel free to ping me

[hollow shell]

👍

[serene egret]

Oh yeah I just read through the suggestion, I'm totally down with that, I think adding better functionality to it is only beneficial!

[hollow shell]

Alright nice, thank you 👍

[split sleet]

Thanks

[serene egret]

no problem 👍

[north oracle]

They still have to cut it down to under 1k characters, but that's a good start

[indigo yacht]

why do we have to murder statis' for this though why not just add the upgrade to counter scarf that like half the playerbase has asked about at least once

[crude geode]

More dash items that are not used bc ram line is broken

[indigo yacht]

that doesn't make them bad

which this suggestion doesn't seem to understand

that came out wrong

[oblique birch]

wait but Statis dash line is not RNG tho

[hollow shell]

day one morbillion of asking Ankh to be separated out of the ram line

[crude geode]

no matter how much you nerf rams, ankh makes ram line broken

[oblique birch]

Statis line is a guaranteed dodge with cooldown, the RNG is vanilla

[crude geode]

I know people want more knockback immunity accessibility but like. Ram line is just a breaking point of too much shit in on accessory

[errant wren]

what the heck that's literally my pfp

[crude geode]

I have stolen your identity and put it in these emojis /j

[errant wren]

what the hec

[hollow shell]

Right. @split sleet Another change to note ^

[glass arch]

at least with old cal comboaccessoryslop most of the effects were just useless

[hollow shell]

The RNG removal applies to the Belt and Master Ninja Gear too

[crude geode]

LITERALLYYYY

[indigo yacht]

imo changing statis' to be evasion scarf instead of mng is just a straight downgrade

[glass arch]

that number of effects only works when most or all of them are just Ass

[tepid crown]

how about both! I SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT!!!

[indigo yacht]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/The_Community

(yes i know it's only tangentially related, let me have fun)

[novel belfry]

actually it might make it on par with Asgard line

[crude geode]

[novel belfry]

Asgard is so strong that if the devs for some reason still want it like how it is, then logically the alternative should be strong too

[oblique birch]

Scarf line needs to be in dash motion to activate the dash with 30 seconds cooldown, Statis line is dodging whenever possible but with a cooldown that can be up to 90 seconds

[glass arch]

this only works because it scales
if it didnt scale and was at max power right off the bat it would be horifically broken

[indigo yacht]

me watching every developer say that rams need to be nerfed only for rams to not be nerfed

[oblique birch]

those 2 I see are more like sidegrade to each other than upgrade or downgrade

[indigo yacht]

dodges cover your ass, scarf just lets you play more creatively and get out of a few choice bad situations if you're fast enough

[errant wren]

change rams to only deal 10 damage maximum

[oblique birch]

still can be up to 3x the cooldown 🥶

wouldn't say upgrade

clearly this means we need post-ML Scarf upgrades

[crude geode]

Rams do get nerfed. It just doesn’t matter because you get so much other shit on top of the ram, and so many bosses become easier with rams compared to dodges (dash phases in particular, and any boss where contact damage matters)

[indigo yacht]

when considered in context to the bosses you fight, scarf would just be the worse of the two options

[indigo yacht]

i know i was joking

clearly the nerfs arent enough

[errant wren]

what if rams had a cooldown that made them function like a bonk

[indigo yacht]

bonking has a cooldown?

or wait-

[errant wren]

-# expecting tomatoes to be thrown at me

[indigo yacht]

do you mean they turn into a bonk while on cooldown

[errant wren]

yeah

[tepid crown]

kill all bonks

[indigo yacht]

oh thats kinda funny lmao

[oblique birch]

all dash have cooldown... when they're in motion

[indigo yacht]

kind of a terrible idea but funny

just make every ram work like solar

[crude geode]

True

[oblique birch]

intergrate Old Duke's Scale stamina to all Ram

[tepid crown]

that might actually work tbh

maybe like

a successful ram keeps a charge but an unsuccessful one removes it

so that its not just solar shield but again but also without the defensive bonuses

[crude geode]

You get the defensive bonuses of ankh shield

Aka knockback immunity

[tepid crown]

no.

[indigo yacht]

I'd prefer the opposite

[crude geode]

Same

[indigo yacht]

to discourage ramming rather than discouraging normal dashes

isnt that how solar works actually

idr

[tepid crown]

yea

solar removes a charge when u take dmg or successfuly ram something

and u hold 3 charges

[tepid crown]

but why

[oblique birch]

can't ram too much

[tepid crown]

why use the ram option if its going to be heavily nerfed when you do ram

[oblique birch]

is what they mean

it's basically like Old Duke's Scale

[tepid crown]

ik but thats like the good part of it

if its just to give u dash, that really shouldnt be a rams job

[indigo yacht]

why not use the ram option if it's the same as it's always been with the main downside just being that you can't dash normally as much

[tepid crown]

because u use it other than the ram

[indigo yacht]

make ram an extra accessory that you add to a preexisting dash item

[tepid crown]

u also use it as a

dash

[indigo yacht]

that seems like working around the problem

[echo leaf]

slagsplitter pauldron in shambles

[indigo yacht]

slagsplitter can give you extra charges

or smth

[fleet grotto]

make it stronger why dontcha

[tepid crown]

wat does this mean

[echo leaf]

slagsplitter pauldron lets you deal more damage when ramming, but it does not enable a ram

[oblique birch]

it means slagsplitter pauldron in shambles

[echo leaf]

You must use a ram AND pauldron

[tepid crown]

technically u dont have to

[echo leaf]

If another accessory was needed to enable rams on an existing dash, that’d be THREE accessory slots to be able to use pauldron

[oblique birch]

say that to worms idk

[tepid crown]

wat

i never said anything about a 3rd acc

[oblique birch]

clearly makes Pauldron enables ram for dash and makes it a line and remove ram shields line

[tepid crown]

o wait someone talked abt it earlier

[tepid crown]

stupid idea never cook again btw

[crude geode]

^^^^^

If you always have the option to ram, then you will always take it

[oblique birch]

nope

can't use dash as much as you want outside of ramming things it's a big downside

[indigo yacht]

the complaint with rams is that they invalidate half of the boss fights in the game

how does this rework fix that

[oblique birch]

Old Duke's Scale (it's really good idk how to tell you guys)

[indigo yacht]

never used it

never will use it

[crude geode]

Old Duke is stinky

[indigo yacht]

i fought old duke once

when i nohit it

[oblique birch]

sick ass accessory

[indigo yacht]

i havent fought the boss since

or prior

[oblique birch]

top tier with Toxic Heart (in my head)

but oh well, it got reworked in SSO so not really relevant anymore

[indigo yacht]

i will Still not use it

🥀

[oblique birch]

Ennway's slander will not be tolerated!!!

[severe sparrow]

slagsplitter pauldron is decent

not terrible

not great

although I will admit

it is very easy to get

[echo leaf]

it’s literally peam…

[indigo yacht]

truw

[severe sparrow]

"peam"
LOL

i have used it

it is aight

[gilded citrus]

Slagsplitter is oeam

[severe sparrow]

but it only truly shines with True Melee

With it, it is amazing

[severe sparrow]

when not, it is aight

[severe sparrow]

The fallen star coming in to help:

[echo leaf]

the falling star actually dealt enough damage to end phase one and enter phase two

which meant instead of stalling phase one

[gilded citrus]

If only i could show you gooses like 7 second or below kill time

[echo leaf]

i was stalling phase two which is so much better

[gilded citrus]

Wait thats infernum i think

[echo leaf]

yeah???? so what????? did he use mantis claws???????? not so shrimple now, is it…

[gilded citrus]

No sub shocker

[covert zealot]

CAMPER MENTIONEDD

im buds with the guy its based on

[dense frost]

O

[keen zodiac]

@lime citrus whuh

[lime citrus]

It was a suggestion I had for vanilla terraria but they didn’t see it

[keen zodiac]

your suggestion needs to have text

pictures are invalid

also i'm pretty sure this would fall under "specific item suggestion"

[lime citrus]

Ahh

Noted I’ll type it out there

[keen zodiac]

suggestions also need a reason other than "it would be cool"

you should explain what issue this would be solving

[lime citrus]

Ahh

Well it would give the rune wizard set more of a reason to be farmed for and accepted than just a vanity set. The wizard’s hat gives stat bonuses and pairs well with robes. It should give more than just a cosmetic. Also those stats don’t need to be exactly implemented. That was just a general idea.

[indigo yacht]

ok but like

why should the rune wizard set be farmed for

also you need a title

[half imp]

hey so tabi dash

it has 20 frame cooldown instead of 30

and in the topic of statis dashes

Statis Ninja Belt/Void Sash are both already reworked

[lime citrus]

Done

[echo leaf]

oh rad

[oblique birch]

reworked? like heavily?

[echo leaf]

it might be an infernum thing then

[indigo yacht]

they're fast now

[oblique birch]

how u know

[indigo yacht]

i saw the future

i believe they have a velocity even higher than deep diver does

[oblique birch]

😨

future dev real

[echo leaf]

I was hoping that they become essentially just obscenely fast, non-ramming Deep Diver

[oblique birch]

fast deccel would be really nice

built in Leviathan's Ambergris

[indigo yacht]

not a real accessory im afraid

[severe sparrow]

yeah

Ambergris doesnt exist

[oblique birch]

☹️

[half imp]

it is

[echo leaf]

aww

[half imp]

i don't think infernum reduces their cooldown

like 75% sure it goes 30 -> 15 on all Cal dashes

but vanilla dashes (tabi, SoC, ninja belt, high ruler) stay at 20 and Deep Diver stays at 23

[echo leaf]

lmao???

[indigo yacht]

me and my Abysmal Dogshit

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

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@sleek sable - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework the Ninja Armor to be Rogue based]

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[Make Hive Mind overlap on top of vile spits during drifting phase]

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[Move Odd Mushroom to Grow as a Plant in the Astral Infection]

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[royal tapir]

What if

kil

[frail fox]

Big mystery on the verdict

[ashen warren]

mushroom suggestion is plans already

[grave zinc]

@lapis canyon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Hive Mind overlap on top of vile spits during drifting phase]

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[ashen warren]

what if

kil

[north oracle]

what if

kil

[glass arch]

what if i kill you though

[north oracle]

it's not a snail when i'm intentionally copying you and shark mf

[royal tapir]

snailcare

[ashen warren]

shark only did it once

therefore i am copying shark

[glass arch]

nope sorry ur a snail

[frail fox]

But now hivemind will be unfair! (Have contact damage again)

[gilded citrus]

Snail

[glass arch]

hello leon i see you there

[north oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/artificer-rain-world-slugcat-scug-arti-gif-8802842086419163104

[frail mantle]

👁️

[stable kiln]

win

[keen zodiac]

wait are you the "done" with the murasama skin

[stable kiln]

yes

[glass arch]

no thats done this is done

[stable kiln]

oh true sorry

[keen zodiac]

ohh nice

former dev?

[stable kiln]

i will now forever be known as "done" with the murasama skin

yes

[keen zodiac]

ic

[frail fox]

This is your legacy

[stable kiln]

can i be known as the "done" who balanced biome blade instead

[north oracle]

i was about to say that

[frail fox]

The murasama skin that you actually kinda wanted changed

[stable kiln]

haha snail

[north oracle]

the only person brave enough to touch biome blade

[stable kiln]

someone had to

[frail mantle]

You shall be known as my goat instead

🙏

[frail fox]

Didn’t matter in the end anyway because boss changes 💔

[north oracle]

it's ok we can change a bunch of those back (the ones that SUCK) and then it'll be fine again !!

[stable kiln]

awesome!

[stable kiln]

🪞

[frail fox]

Good job removing things that suck

[stable kiln]

balancing biome blade line is like balancing 30 weapons, not too big of a deal

[novel belfry]

but what if i became a calamity dev and wanted a murasama skin

[fleet grotto]

Why?

Why would you?

[novel belfry]

read his name, and then MY name.

[fleet grotto]

Why would you ever do that?

[stable kiln]

then you will be over "done" with the murasama skin

[glass arch]

calamity players cant read 😔

[fleet grotto]

oh no i know that

Why would you become a calamity dev?

[stable kiln]

🥱

[novel belfry]

well, i see the position of calamity dev as "desirable", if you will.

its pretty simple, really.

[fleet grotto]

i wont say it again

[novel belfry]

[crude geode]

Why would you want to be a dev

[novel belfry]

.

[lapis canyon]

bros getting retired so whatever

[gritty plaza]

Retired?

[keen zodiac]

retiered

[frail mantle]

(maybe)

((plans are very up in the air at the moment))

[keen zodiac]

(almost definitely)

[gilded citrus]

Wasnt weaver the only distortion goober not with a proposed change

[keen zodiac]

yeah weaver is most likely staying post provi pre polter

[true oar]

Add a sword that shoot 5 moon that autoaim and explode with a black hole, 1 second cooldown and post goon lord

[gilded citrus]

[gritty plaza]

that's a good emoji

[olive saddle]

post what now

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message sure ig

luxors gift can probably stay fine as its based off of your base damage and doesnt really need much besides some tiny changes

[thorn dock]

Indeed. But again, great example- Luxor beeing quite unique

[north tendon]

my opinion? final stage Biome Blade is better than final stage Ark. haven't tried the combined form of both, and i don't think i plan to given that i lose out on the Biome Blade features to do it.

[prisma sedge]

I'm pretty sure you can use shimmer to separate them again, if you decide you don't like it

[drowsy plank]

this doesnt have a ton of reasoning but it's... fine?? i guess?

[north tendon]

compare. final form Ark gets a super-parry with a big slash AOE attack that spends the parry charges. final form Biome Blade gets a large number of different extra-effect modes, all switchable at will. combined form just upgrades the effects of Ark one more time, and doesn't seem to add much value for the loss. granted, i haven't tried it out, but still.... from looking at the statistics, it seems like you're better off with the final evolution of Biome Blade than the fused Biome and Ark.

[half imp]

also uh

The upgraded ark attacks literally incorporate every biome blade attack in it

The 5th attack spin can be held like the yoyo for a little while

some of the slices do a full 360 like the spinny attunement

[oblique birch]

The only thing Ark will not inherited in the future is the dash

But that's it

[north tendon]

noted, and i'll try it once my group gets around to beating Supreme. like i said, on paper it doesn't look as appealing. could be something to details blurb. like maybe "the inclusion of Galaxia appears to have enhanced some attacks in unpredicted ways."?

that little line would hint that there's more than it looks to have for effects, and also make reference to the new blade. but i'm just throwing ideas out. probably unpopular opinion anyway.

[indigo yacht]

it's a direct upgrade. that's implied.