suggestions-discussion

[ashen warren]

thank you

[north oracle]

alg

[balmy folio]

I was saying i want it now like of i want the sharpening station now

In pre hm

I dont want it hm

[errant wren]

well uh

find it

or something

[balmy folio]

Its supposed to be as attainable as bewitching tables and ammo boxes

[keen zodiac]

or wait for update

[balmy folio]

But. There was one in my entire world

[indigo yacht]

yeah, vernal pass is phm

[balmy folio]

Wait im confused is this a feature thats being added

What the fuck is a vernal pass

[errant wren]

YES

[indigo yacht]

you'll likely find it in phm if you're doing any moderate amount of searching in the underground jungle

[balmy folio]

Lmao

[errant wren]

sorry caps

[tepid crown]

holy shit literacy is dead

😭

[indigo yacht]

it is not very hard to find unless you're in a large world in which case it's still not very hard

[errant wren]

i got heated

[tepid crown]

truly a calamity fan

[balmy folio]

I looked for 3 hours. I checked tedit. One in my entire world

[indigo yacht]

exactly. you will absolutely have found vernal pass within that time

[idle dagger]

There’s only one

[indigo yacht]

probably within like the first hour at worst

[balmy folio]

Ok what is vernal pass

[indigo yacht]

big plantera arena thingy

[errant wren]

not that vernal pass currently has the sharpening stations

[indigo yacht]

below/above temple

[idle dagger]

It’s that place with the giant Plantera bulbs and the bridge

[balmy folio]

Ooooh

Ok they are adding it there sweet

[tepid crown]

above

[idle dagger]

Kind of a pre-made jungle arena of sorts

[keen zodiac]

it can be below

[balmy folio]

I didnt know it was called that

[errant wren]

big pink flowers and weird mud, can't miss it

[balmy folio]

I was so confused

[indigo yacht]

it can spawn below

[errant wren]

i didn't realize it spawned like that

that's useful for my next cal run

[tepid crown]

only if the temple spawns too high which doesnt usually happen on large worlds

[indigo yacht]

yeah but it can

[ashen warren]

this is mostly for gfb

where the temple is literally on the surface

[indigo yacht]

wait what

i posted both suggestions today exactly 12 hours apart

lmao

both at 10:07

[indigo yacht]

just get cobalt shield smh

[split sleet]

queen bee is pre-skeletron

the image even says

so im assuming this is a joke

[indigo yacht]

that was why i attached it yes

[kindred fractal]

I've literally never noticed or had a problem with this...

[indigo yacht]

readding old content is still readding old content even if you obtain it in a new way

[glass arch]

readding old content is still readding old content and readding old content doesnt work if said old content isnt old content

[tepid crown]

clearly didnt read the doc well enough since u wouldve read that u cant make suggs about future content

oh and its gone

[humble scarab]

Never had problems with queenbee

Just place a platform

And you can even use hook

Use dash to position yourself away from queen bee after her every dash

Movement in this game is important skill

And thats good that the bees appears only in rev+

[glass arch]

the bees are generally agreed to be overtuned

[humble scarab]

If you use slow weapon, then save it for the bees or just have another one for the bees

[humble scarab]

I agree that they do too much dmg, but i dont see the problem here cuz queen bee always took me 1-3 tries without making more arena space

[soft tulip]

just be making sure
Will you guys use if Cal supports Localization Plus mod
Just optional

[dense frost]

Seed where every boss is enraged

[tepid crown]

thats called gfb

[grave prism]

aren’t some bosses unkillable in their enraged state

I think cryogen was one

[dense frost]

Ohhh

[prime jungle]

Add milk based creatures

Put all the shit you removed back in the mod

[gilded citrus]

❌

[prime jungle]

BOOOOOO

[frail mantle]

nah

😁

[prime jungle]

Why tho

The knife was cool

[gilded citrus]

Its removed for a reason

[frail mantle]

if you're talking about the most recent removals, they were for a good reason

[gilded citrus]

Yanmei?

[prime jungle]

Tell me the reason?

[prime jungle]

Yabby

[frail mantle]

the donor items were because the donors wanted them out

[gilded citrus]

The people they were dedicated to (dev and donor) wanted them gone

[prime jungle]

Bruh what, why?

[frail mantle]

the fab related stuff - because fab is gone and they intend to remove all traces of him

[gilded citrus]

Fabsol

[prime jungle]

Ahh yes the creator of the mod

[gilded citrus]

Some people didnt want their stuff in it due to that

[gilded citrus]

They left
Ozz now owns it

[idle dagger]

Yanmei’s knife going is unfortunate since it was a fun gimmick item, but there’s nothing to do but respect the donor’s decision

[prime jungle]

Yall could ask to add something similar under a different name

[frail mantle]

no

[prime jungle]

K

[gilded citrus]

Thats prob disrespectful to the dedicated persons wishes

So likely wont happen

[frail mantle]

well i suppose there isn't really anything stopping them from adding an undine's retribution upgrade again

[prime jungle]

You can’t ask, it’s not really rude to ask I’m sure they’d understand

[gilded citrus]

I meant if they implemented it
Asking fine i think

[frail mantle]

but it'd be pretty fucked up if they asked for the item to be removed and then the devs just added another providence-related undine's retribution upgrade

they intend to respect the donor's wishes, and that's fine

they paid for the things anyway

[dense frost]

Yrrt

[prime jungle]

Fanta was made during nazi era times and we still enjoy it

[tepid crown]

insane fucking comparison

[gilded citrus]

Yeah

[frail mantle]

brother what

[dense frost]

Lmao

[prime jungle]

I’m saying why should you let bad air keep you from enjoying a tasty sandwich

Move away from the stale air and eat the sandwich

[dense frost]

😭

[frail mantle]

because the donors wanted the items out

[gilded citrus]

The dedicated person wanted item gone so item gone thats just it

[frail mantle]

the devs do not need any more reasoning than that

[gilded citrus]

Nothing crazy complicated

[prime jungle]

Okay okay okay well do yall plan to replace all the removed content with more stuff soon?

[frail mantle]

a donor could go "i got bored can you remove my item" and the devs would do it because they paid for the item, they'd better get to decide anything important that happens to it

[prime jungle]

Do yall give the money back too?

[gilded citrus]

Fabstaff is replaced with lucilles dev item if anything

[frail mantle]

i'm not a dev but no

well

[dense frost]

F

[frail mantle]

in theory maybe you can ask for a refund iunno how patreon works

but i haven't heard of any of the donors asking to get their money back

[prime jungle]

Is that someone else’s name?

[frail mantle]

lucille is another person yes

[gilded citrus]

Lucille is the creator of wotg

[frail mantle]

former dev, created infernum and wrath of the gods

[prime jungle]

Why’d they leave?

[gilded citrus]

22 i think

[dense frost]

22?

[gilded citrus]

The 22 incident
I aint gonna be able to explain it well so someone else do it

[frail mantle]

around two and a half years ago, 22 (plus/minus a few) devs left because of fab being not exactly a stellar leader

lucille was one of them

[dense frost]

Ok

[gilded citrus]

I dont think they’re coming back now fabs exploded

[dense frost]

💥

[frail mantle]

depends on the person probably

lucille is already doing the new visuals for the fabstaff replacement

but iunno if she's fully returning to the team

[gilded citrus]

Thought they already did

[tepid crown]

im pretty sure its finished

[gilded citrus]

#calamity-update-talk message

[tepid crown]

the main issue was how the beam bounced but it seemed like that was fixed?

[fleet grotto]

common W

[indigo yacht]

@obtuse vault no

that is Not a suggestion that is a video

[gilded citrus]

Yeah

[whole tundra]

A bad one even

[olive saddle]

im so confused

oh

[gilded citrus]

Oh theyre just being a bitch got it

@vagrant spindle

[indigo yacht]

lol

[olive saddle]

go garbo, kill

[gilded citrus]

Why did i ping you

[frail mantle]

damn they're making it so easy

free mod points

[indigo yacht]

i giggled

[frail mantle]

the economy is flourishing

[vagrant spindle]

can i ban melon gun now

[olive saddle]

lets speedrun being the worst person possible

[vague bramble]

What happened

[gilded citrus]

Why

[vagrant spindle]

well i gotta ban SOMEONE

[indigo yacht]

nothing just someone being obnoxious

[whole tundra]

banned gun

[olive saddle]

i dont know if id say that word directly

[indigo yacht]

i feel like thats a bit more information than necessary

[frail mantle]

yeah please don't say that

[indigo yacht]

you could just say they said a mean word

[vague bramble]

One way to get banned instantly

[slim lake]

lyrics while fighting yharon and scal would go so hard

[olive saddle]

me when i disrespect basic human decency

[gilded citrus]

A sory

[indigo yacht]

ive got amazing news

the songs already have lyrics

[gilded citrus]

I think they mean text you can read

Which has been suggested before iirc

[indigo yacht]

good luck doing that with music sync

i still feel like there's an easy way to do music sync that nobody has tried but I haven't looked too far into it

[vestal crater]

Man I forgot to watch the video before it got deleted

Day ruined

[whole tundra]

Didn't get to voting and was suggested 3 weeks ago

Too recent for a repost I suppose

[indigo yacht]

it was a nothingburger

[vestal crater]

Ah

So didn’t miss anything hilariously clueless for being in suggestion!

Great

Day not ruined

[whole tundra]

wait

I got something really cool to cook up

[vestal crater]

You always have something cool cooking up

🔥

[indigo yacht]

if it's always cool despite constantly cooking, maybe you need a new oven...

i dont think this one works...

[whole tundra]

Figured this could work now

[gilded citrus]

Someone should suggest removing items via lottery

[vagrant spindle]

also like

lyrics?

in the middle of a boss fight?

who tf is gonna read that

while trying to dodge

[whole tundra]

Godmode users

[gilded citrus]

Me prob

[indigo yacht]

calamity paintings

interesting

[prisma sedge]

I think this one's competition is gonna be pretty stacked, but I hope it gets through

[indigo yacht]

true

[vagrant spindle]

ok but youre not real

😊

[whole tundra]

Good idea

[gilded citrus]

Add lyrics to all cal songs

[indigo yacht]

god no

[prisma sedge]

Wait, nevermind, it's gone

[vagrant spindle]

does he know

[whole tundra]

Add more Paintings
Terraria adds a huge amount of paintings. They're able to be found in alot of places and can be bought by Town NPCs in certain cases. Yet Calamity only adds one painting, chances are you don't even know about it aswell.

Adding more paintings is useful for builders to give more flair to their builds, but can also be a way to communicate lore to the player with. There can be paintings of locations like Ilmeris prior to the Incineration, Permafrost years ago and more. Not every painting has to communicate lore though.
They could be obtained in alot of ways which also makes the player interact more with the world and the Town NPCs.

Just reposting it here so that I can post it later after Suggestions-Posting has calmed down a bit

Maximizing success

[indigo yacht]

fair

[gilded citrus]

What

[indigo yacht]

oop I was just about to ask when suggestions get moved to voting but it got moved

[prisma sedge]

After a day if it didn't have any warnings, I believe

[whole tundra]

24 hours and 3 minutes

[prisma sedge]

Wait, why that specific?

[gilded citrus]

Why 3 mins

[indigo yacht]

the bot probably checks after a set interval and that one was the first after 24hrs, i guess

[whole tundra]

Because idk

[prisma sedge]

Ahhhh, makes sense

[indigo yacht]

i like this solution to lacewings from cirrus i hope it passes

but if not whatever

[whole tundra]

They should also be able to be spawned troughout the entire night rather than just until midnight

(why is that a thing)

[indigo yacht]

oh yeah true lmao

probably to prevent accidental daytime empress spawns from people who don't know better

[olive saddle]

the art server is forever shackled...

[gilded citrus]

I think so you have ample enough time to fight them without daytime happening if you accidentslly soawn them but thats a theory

[prisma sedge]

I'll be honest, I didn't even know that was a thing

I thought I was just getting unlucky

[indigo yacht]

tbh i feel like adding paintings would be something they'd love to do, i mean you could literally make whatever...

[olive saddle]

this makes sense

[whole tundra]

Most people don't and that is why it should be removed imo

[prisma sedge]

Agreed

[whole tundra]

It really has no reason to not spawn for the second half of the night besides (oooo daytime EoL)

[olive saddle]

oh probably, its just funny that a lot of Suggs are art related

[olive saddle]

in vanilla it should stay but in calamity it can probably go

[indigo yacht]

if only i could draw digitally

[fleet grotto]

If only I could draw

[olive saddle]

If only I could

[gilded citrus]

If only i

[indigo yacht]

j

[prisma sedge]

If only I could draw with pixel-art
I can do non-pixel stuff when I have the motivation, but pixel art has...eluded me

[indigo yacht]

i imagine you could start with a normal sketch then sort of "convert" it to pixel art

although you'd have to do more than that for it to look right

idk I'm bad at pixel art

[whole tundra]

I'm making a Lotus Flower painting rn

[slim lake]

Buddy you realize I meant the lyrics being shown ingame rather than in a music video 😭

[gilded citrus]

I think they meant the songs already have voirces in them

[slim lake]

I know

[prisma sedge]

Also honestly, that could be kind of cool, I'm just not sure what the point would be
Because while it'd be cool, it'd also just be really distracting, which isn't a problem when you're listening to the song through a YouTube video, but is a little when you're in a middle of a boss fight

[errant wren]

we also had a conversation about the implications of making the lyrics sync while also not losing performance

[slim lake]

Ohhh right

I could see performance issues being a thing

[slim lake]

Yeah but there can be a toggle to disable it

[errant wren]

-# the classic "make it a config" makes an appearance

[indigo yacht]

i think there shouldn't be a calamity config at all. because I hate all of you.

[prisma sedge]

I've softened up to the "it can be a config" reasoning lately, but I think this would be more distracting than helpful to enough players that it wouldn't be worth going through the trouble of coding it, and taking time away from the main development stuff

[indigo yacht]

i think only important things should be configs

or like

just bundle all the unimportant stuff together

[balmy folio]

Ok just gonna ask this before posting a suggestion about it cause i know devs lurk often

Is there a plan to remove the ability to fish up post mech ores with reworked progression enabled?

its kind of silly to just. Invalidate this entire part of the game lol

[gilded citrus]

its a bug i think

so yeah at some point will be, might be in changelogs for sso actually

[golden sonnet]

it's already fixed for next update yes

[balmy folio]

Sweet

like wtf do the bosses do lmao

[indigo yacht]

when the defense

[balmy folio]

very silly

SKELETRONS SAW DOES 7 DAMAGE LOl

his vice did so little damage my adrenaline didnt get reset

[indigo yacht]

Adrenaline doesnt reset from damage, it just decreases

[fleet grotto]

unless it's full

[indigo yacht]

but like 1 point of damage is like 10% or something so it doesn't exactly take much

[royal tapir]

Next update as in SSO, not this hotfix

I wanted to get it in for the hotfix, but separating it from the general fishing loot changes would’ve been nearly impossible

[golden sonnet]

Good clarification, thank you

[deep cape]

what are some of the worst suggestions that didn't violate any guidelines

[crude geode]

Flip the icicle arrow /s

[errant wren]

the question wasn't "what was the peakest sugg," silly

[grim tusk]

Nerf X before Nerf X suggs were added to guideline violations

[prisma sedge]

I think there was one recently that was rejected later, but initially got through because it technically broke no rules, I wonder if it's still up

Oh yeaahhh, the buff candles suggestion
#suggestions-voting message

[tardy geyser]

Guide to critter companionship is sort of the lacewing spawn preventer

[deep cape]

didn't realize that neat

[grave zinc]

@river glen - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[**Readjust cryogen shield]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[prisma sedge]

I wonder if said plans are public

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-discussion message

[prisma sedge]

Ohhh pf-

[river glen]

that is just....

that doesnt solve any of its problem

[indigo yacht]

the shield should be removed entirely

it serves no purpose

[novel belfry]

i mean, unless you do something similar to how infernum does the shield

(it turns it into an attack)

[fleet grotto]

the shield should be kept for aesthetic reasons as otherwise cryogen has nothing

[ashen warren]

i did actually toss around a rework concept for the shield a while ago

with less restriction on bosses might be time to bring it up

[prisma sedge]

Can I ask? Because I'm interested

[ashen warren]

not at the moment, no

[crude geode]

Currently it’s kinda just there

[ashen warren]

i dont wish to publicly reveal stuff that only ive been considering without proper talk amongst the team

[crude geode]

Next update it’ll just be 9% health boost overall, 12% in death mode

[river glen]

i think the cryogen shield solution isnt solved by just increasing the health

why not just increase cryogen health

its useless

even th 100% buff it still dies

it gets nerfed in death mode

which is ??

[gilded citrus]

when i first noticed the shields i were surprised at how quick they died

[crude geode]

Weird ass inconsistency

[worthy lintel]

it was a temporary fix to remove the unfortunate fact that old cryogen shield was a dps floor

and you know how long temporary fixes last

[crude geode]

Hehehehh

[gilded citrus]

"temporary"

[crude geode]

“Temporary” fixes when 5 years pass

[worthy lintel]

byea with the chokeslam on bosses removed, expect greater

[prisma sedge]

Alternate solution, have all essences of Elium be dropped post-Cryogen, Havoc post-CalClone, and Sunlight post-Xeroc

[crude geode]

[gilded citrus]

havoc pre wof

[prisma sedge]

Oh wait, this was a joke anyways, but I didn't even realize you need essences of Elium and Havoc to fight Cryogen and CalClone in the first place

[half imp]

clearly we need a new sunlight boss

[gilded citrus]

Revert providences lore

-# ignore that eol is right there

[fleet grotto]

readd providence the profaned god

[indigo yacht]

sounds like something to potentially look forward to then

[severe sparrow]

SLAGSPITTER PAULDRON PRE WOF?????

[indigo yacht]

you can already get that

[severe sparrow]

no

Roxcalibur gives 5 essence of havoc

you need 8 for the Pauldron

[small bramble]

shrimply create another world just to get another roxcalibur

[indigo yacht]

? kill calclone, anyone?

[crude geode]

Something something fix every vanilla problem

[fleet grotto]

[small bramble]

Truge? (Is that enough to get infinite i've never actually messed with journey but i know there's like a research requirement

[fleet grotto]

for items that cant stack you only need one

[small bramble]

ah nice

[fleet grotto]

at least normally

there may be a few exceptions

but i know that like every vanilla tool and weapon follow that logic so idk why specifically roxcalibur wouldnt

[ripe owl]

#suggestions-posting message

What

@daring cypress you're better off asking this in forums or pinging Red on Twitter, this is not something that should be suggested for a mod

[half imp]

I mean

it's a valid suggestion

It's just not likely the scope of calamity / worth the time investment

It would be better as a standalone mod

[indigo yacht]

true

[daring cypress]

ty :D already asked this on forums (entirely good feedback but nothing from devs)

[fleet grotto]

@prime jungle just why

[prime jungle]

Why not?

[fleet grotto]

you do need a genuine reason for a suggestion

like what is calamity missing

that this would fix

[prime jungle]

Is me wanting it in the game not enough? We love content

[fleet grotto]

no it's not enough actually

[prime jungle]

Are you serious? Are y’all not wanting to add content? Fine, why don’t you make some sort of cow creature boss that spawns milk related creatures in a wheat planes biome or smth

That took me I second of thought and it’s good

[prisma sedge]

If you look in the pins, there's a set of guidelines for making suggestions, and a big part of them is that you need to have a functional reason to ask for something to be added or changed

[drowsy plank]

^

[prime jungle]

That is a literal creativity roadblock

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[lavish condor]

that's the point of it

[prime jungle]

Spontaneousness is the key-

What

[lavish condor]

if they added everything that came to their mind updates would never drop (See vanilla 1.4.5)

[drowsy plank]

this isn't for creativity it's basically like "there's a problem with the mod but it isn't a bug" channel

[prisma sedge]

Because the devs do still have content to make, and anything outside of that takes time away from making the things on their roadmap

[prime jungle]

I won’t continue

[drowsy plank]

aight

[prime jungle]

Killed any excitement of wanting to interact with yall tbh

[drowsy plank]

ok

[prisma sedge]

Something I think is worth saying, though, is that you're still free to bring up your ideas to the devs, as long as you aren't pushy about it

But only so many suggestions get into dev voting at a time, and if every suggestion like yours was sent into community voting, then it'd take away from the really important changes

[indigo yacht]

good

[umbral gazelle]

so you return your excitement that you feel to the shelf cause now you understand,,,..

[errant wren]

as a lactose intolerant person i find the sugg very inconsiderate

anyways yeah please make sure you read the doc before you cook again

[tardy geyser]

add a weapon called milk song

[drowsy plank]

silksong reference 🤯

[errant wren]

peak

add this instantly

[indigo yacht]

no

[drowsy plank]

we can agree to this since we can just never implement it and it would also be a silksong reference

[indigo yacht]

ok wait no thats peak

[errant wren]

[prime jungle]

I hope you fall over

[prisma sedge]

Honestly, it would be funny for one of the reference items in the mod to be a reference to a game that's not even out yet

[indigo yacht]

i already did

[errant wren]

elsi got you there

[tardy geyser]

milk sink would definitely be filled with milk

[prime jungle]

Could you do it again?

[indigo yacht]

no im still on the ground

[errant wren]

oh god ew

[indigo yacht]

that would just be standing up ...

[errant wren]

i don't like that image

[prime jungle]

Drats, thank you for taking it into consideration

[prisma sedge]

Aww dammit, I was about to make a joke about that

[indigo yacht]

I'm so mathed rn you have no idea

[prime jungle]

…?

[umbral gazelle]

Stand up, Gallop on,.,,...

[grizzled dome]

I will also say that "would this be good in Terraria" is a separate question from "would this be something worth adding to the Calamity mod". Calamity does not have to include every idea which would be cool in a vacuum.

[prisma sedge]

Also a fair argument, some things just work better as add-on/completely separate mod content

[grizzled dome]

It already has a lot of QoL stuff, and a lot of referential content, included; that said, there's a number of other times people have said "this is a cool idea for a QoL mod, and Calamity is not a QoL mod". Or people have taken those ideas and made them into other, separate mods.

[indigo yacht]

to be fair while this is a qol feature i think it's one that everyone can unanimously agree should exist in vanilla

that's not to say its cals job to do it for them

[deep cape]

Nice trolling

[lucid marsh]

The hell was that person's problem?

[indigo yacht]

we don't need to restart this

[balmy folio]

Hey now this guys onto something here

Fuckin. Milk blocks.

[novel belfry]

how about you go add bitches

[indigo yacht]

no, we just had one removed

[tardy geyser]

I think thats called cheese

[novel belfry]

[ripe owl]

Macrocosm reference?

[indigo yacht]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Thrown_Water
clueless

surely theyre not that hard to craft

anyways you can just mine and replace blocks elsewhere

[tardy geyser]

Havent played it yet, probably should though, sounds like something Id really like.

[balmy folio]

You need unicorn horns

[prime jungle]

I can’t genuinely want milk?!

[balmy folio]

Which requires surface hallow

[indigo yacht]

? no you dont

[balmy folio]

Wait no im misrembering

You need hallowed seeds

[indigo yacht]

just pixie dust

[balmy folio]

And seeds

[indigo yacht]

this is my main point though

[balmy folio]

Which again. Requires surface hallow

[indigo yacht]

it takes like 5 minutes

probably about as long as manually making a biome would

[balmy folio]

Please do not give us your milk

[indigo yacht]

and like, surely mech 1 isnt that hard...

[tardy geyser]

Dryad sells hallow seeds, even when outside the hallow

[balmy folio]

Yeah but thats annoying

[prime jungle]

Ewwie

[balmy folio]

Idk its a small thing but would just a be a nice qol change

Imma edit it as i made it out to be a way bigger isdue then it is

[indigo yacht]

there's probably a qol mod for it already

actually wait yes there is

Fargo's mutant mod

biome fountains

I'm pretty sure those function

[prime jungle]

Yarpidoodle they do

[fleet grotto]

fargos also adds the purity totem thing which makes it so a biome will never count as an evil biome

[indigo yacht]

I'm not a fan of fargos mutant but i have to give them some points for the elegance their qol usually has

[prisma sedge]

It is interesting that there isn't a hallow powder, though

[fleet grotto]

mutant has my favorite take on qol, i feel as if it feels the most "vanilla" of the cheaty qol mods

[indigo yacht]

there's not a Hallowed mushroom

[fleet grotto]

solution!

pixie dust can now be used

[indigo yacht]

cant wait for the astral powder suggestion to exist when odd mushroom gets moved to astral infection

[prisma sedge]

Oh yeaaahhh, I guess that makes sense as an explanation

[fleet grotto]

i think pixie dust would make a perfect replacement though

like it's literally a hallow powder

c'mon

[small bramble]

MILK CREATURES

I think you're all sleeping on that suggestion

[indigo yacht]

I'm allergic to dairy. this is harassment. prepare to die.

[fleet grotto]

You can now milk ducks

[indigo yacht]

I'm impressed that this suggestion is still valid despite toeing the line that much

although

the reasoning might be a bit lacking

[crude geode]

aren't most wing bonuses dying

[indigo yacht]

no

Just being reworked I think?

to be less stupid

ok actually I'm not sure the changelogs are very conflicted on what's actually happening to wings

[fleet grotto]

although from fabsol idk why that plan would change

[errant wren]

clearly we include the sea-related wings in supreme tackle bag or whatever it's called and make it the best wings for the stage

[golden sonnet]

Stats removed, some wings will still have additional bonuses but they won't just be stats

Look at the lunar wings for example

[grim tusk]

this was not Fab’s idea, so plan wont change

[fleet grotto]

thought so

[prisma sedge]

This might be a weird question, and I also get if it probably isn't one you guys would want to answer, but I wonder if he had any ideas for updated that're still going to be removed because they came from him, but would've been kept otherwise

Or if his ideas were just that bad overall

[grim tusk]

There are things that will be changed, yet they’re confidential

altho compared to ideas from other devs they are few

as his ideas were mostly for bosses anyways

[prisma sedge]

Ahhh yeah, all of that stands to reason now that I think of it!

[flint rose]

funniest image ever

[tardy geyser]

milk creatures give you the lactose intolerant debuff, which makes you take more damage from their milk attacks

[glass arch]

now we have whitneys miltank in calamity

[flint rose]

yhon will use milk powers to decimate dhon

[misty lichen]

milk related blocks

[gritty acorn]

#suggestions-posting message

@balmy folio u can find some hallowed stone underground, where the hallow is supposed to be

you can just place the hallowed stone to create an artificial biome

(you technically only need 1 stone to spread it)

#suggestions-posting message

@worldly saffron these small buffs are getting removed on the next update

if they werent getting removed i wouldve liked the suggestion

[worldly saffron]

yeah, heard about it

removed/reworked

tragic tbh

[dusky crag]

speaking about hallowed stuff
for some reason hallowed ore don't spawn in the desert
I forgor if their removing them next patch but it not being able to spawn in the underground desert is kinda annoying for like a small portion of progression lmao

[gritty acorn]

ikr

[gritty acorn]

i mean there arent ores in the desert so it makes sense for them not to generate there, as a technicality

u can still put this in bug reports iyw, although it is going to be low priority as you can just kill the mechs for em

[dusky crag]

yeah that is true
the only reason why I found out cus my entire desert got hallowedified and not a spec of hallow ore

[gritty acorn]

im not suuuure but i think hallowed ores generate after u kill all mechs

hold on

[dusky crag]

yeah definitely

[gritty acorn]

Hallowed Ore is a Hardmode ore that generates in Pearlstone Blocks, Hardened Pearlsand Blocks, Pearlsandstone Blocks, and Pink Ice Blocks after all three Mechanical Bosses have been defeated.

ye

it also would generate in a desert

[dusky crag]

interesting
it didn't spawn any for me lmao

[gritty acorn]

ye its post mechs

[worldly saffron]

tbf, that's not true

vanilla ores do generate in the desert, as well as desert fossil

[gritty acorn]

do they

idk i never mined ores in the desert except fossil

[worldly saffron]

yup

[gritty acorn]

huh

[whole tundra]

@strong crown no.

You should know

[strong crown]

understood 😔

surely theres a way to like

seperate the two

[crude geode]

Absolutely not

“Separate art from the artist” is already a loaded phrase, but this is about a self insert npc

[eternal escarp]

also theres no reason to keep her even if you did do so because youd need to also

• resprite her to not be fabs oc
• rewrite all dialogue
  its not worth it for 0 gain whatsoever

[lucid marsh]

Yeah this is extremely stupid

Cirrus is fabsol in every way

It's literally their other name

[indigo yacht]

well a valid suggestion i personally think is unnecessary, and a stupid suggestion

it's not possible to separate fabsol from cirrus

and anyways cirrus is a terrible excuse for a "character", why on earth would you want her to persist

just fucking horny and vulgar and extremely obnoxious

[indigo yacht]

actually i think i answered my own question

[eternal mural]

dying from a drunk npc slapping you during a blood moon is absolutely hilarious though please keep that

[echo leaf]

Add that to Zoologist

10% chance to just fucking maul you to death

[indigo yacht]

"or delete them entirely" boy do i have news for you

[errant wren]

the lore items are more of a "lore commentary" deal, though it is kinda wacky to have so many items

that being said it's also not that hard to also just. have a dedicated chest or anything like that

[gilded citrus]

I think they will just rework the lore whispers instead of making them not exist or be one thing

[errant wren]

if anything, i'd rather the whispers be like one of the draedon logs

[indigo yacht]

draedon lore #10000

[errant wren]

no not like that

just similarly implemented text over pngs

[sweet escarp]

Thats kind of why i suggest a singular item or some sort bestiary implementation, the commentary is neat but it feels like an old way of implementing boss lore prior to 1.4

[gilded citrus]

The bestiary and lore items are intentionally different
Lore items give the final bosses views on stuff
Bestiary is omniscient and true

[errant wren]

hence why i say "lore commentary" than just lore

but uh, yeah

[sweet escarp]

Fair point but still, theres probably a better way to organize it. Its just a suggestion but its taking into account having them in a regular playthrough. It would be nice to have it available and not scour through a bunch of them in several chests

They take up a bit of chest storage after a while

[errant wren]

it's not like i necessarily disagree, but it's also not that bad, at all really

and that's coming from the time i did try to organize them

[sweet escarp]

I mean fair enough, its mostly a pet peeve if anything i will admit

[indigo yacht]

calamity players cannot read

[sweet escarp]

But i think if there is a better way to implement them then why use that you know

[indigo yacht]

is this even supposed to be a serious suggestion

i cant tell

[errant wren]

it is kinda fair, but you could also maybe use the reasoning to argue that some or all draedon logs (not schematics) should also be removed (as he talks about enemies sometimes)

but yeah i would also like one consolidated item

[gilded citrus]

-# iirc a idea fir that kinda floated around a while agi

[sweet escarp]

I mean if they did that with draedon logs too i wouldnt complain

You can include those as lore items but they are fewer

[errant wren]

-# i wouldn't know i don't think i was in that conversation

[half imp]

We have plans for lore items

I think

[keen zodiac]

correct

[fleet grotto]

we've had so many suggestions recently!

[tepid crown]

@tribal beacon new class is explicitly stated as a thing u cannot suggest

[tribal beacon]

But is it DoT based?

Also when did they say anything about a new class?

[indigo yacht]

in the suggestions document

[tribal beacon]

Cant find it

[gilded citrus]

The document is the second pin thing you see in the pins…

[tepid crown]

and also the first in posting and voting

[tepid crown]

also damn reading comprehension is actually fucking dead

[indigo yacht]

😭

[gilded citrus]

Theyre a calamity fan

[keen zodiac]

many such cases

[neat linden]

reducing an extremely complicated, balance-delicate decision with long term consequences like adding a whole new class
down to a singular sentence suggestion

completely incredible

[prisma sedge]

I don't know if this is just my luck, but I think gold and platinum generate more often and in larger veins there than anywhere else, so it can be worth trying

[gritty acorn]

ill give it a shot

[vestal crater]

Only took three days for a cirrus suggest that I noticed

💔

[prisma sedge]

I'm kind of surprised the Cirrus ones weren't just outright removed, it's not like they can be edited in way to make them valid

[drowsy plank]

on that topic i will be removing them all actually so people dont talk about them more

[keen zodiac]

thank

[distant gyro]

yes please do

[fleet grotto]

i like the demon altar suggestion mostly because vanilla has a massive fucking issue if you get a bit too excited and break like every single one you come across when hardmode starts
oh yay i can't craft pre hardmode boss summons anymore

[small bramble]

It is worth noting that vanilla is adding a demon altar themselves in 1.4.5 - whether that update will actually release and be ported within 2 years from now remains uncertain

[fleet grotto]

Wrong sticker

[small bramble]

Amazing sticker

[fleet grotto]

Right sticker

[drowsy plank]

also worth noting that draedon's forge also counts as an altar

[errant wren]

i love using draedon's forge to craft the suspicious looking eye to fight eoc

[tiny minnow]

I know CalVal has one

[small bramble]

I didn't know this omg. interesting
Wonder if the recipe will be updated to include the vanilla altar when the time comes. Just to make it more blatant

[dawn gull]

Is there still plans for the class specific armor updates and reworks like adding an exosuit?

[boreal lichen]

yes

[indigo yacht]

oh, really? well i suppose im not allowed to say that it "doesn't feel vanilla" if vanilla itself is going to have it

[kindred fractal]

Thats a stupid argument to begin with

[indigo yacht]

you're a stupid argument to begin with

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/512927576914788352/1375652382486171699/iaeIaIK.gif

[kindred fractal]

Watch yo tone

[indigo yacht]

no

[sleek turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1082362613121425540/1347985674657202377/attachment.gif

[grave zinc]

@fleet grotto - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Eidolon Wyrms More Interesting and Threatening]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@severe sparrow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add more content for the evil biomes and the Astral Infection in Post Moon Lord.]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[indigo yacht]

I'm assuming that's probably like... outside the scope?

idk

[gilded citrus]

isnt there a chance evil 2 becomes post ml

[indigo yacht]

i don't think anyone really wants it phm but hardmode is a bit cluttered so ye

[keen zodiac]

i'm gonna be honest

putting them pml is a terrible idea

evils stop being relevant in mid hardmode

and not everything needs to stay relevant the whole game

like the sunken sea or crags

[indigo yacht]

i do not the see harm in moving them pml

[gilded citrus]

i think they aim for each cal biome having some level of relevancy in the three main stages of the game (phm, hm, pml)

the level of that relavency may vary

[indigo yacht]

plus crags does have a bit of relevance since i think most people fight signus there and also for summoners

oh yeah lmao and bloodstone...

[crude geode]

Bloodstone crags is being replaced with ravager anyways

[gilded citrus]

which is post provi

[indigo yacht]

@worthy grail read suggestions document and take that to #1052323733961977947

[ashen warren]

Polterghast pixel pmo

[worthy grail]

got it

[weary bane]

asymmetry, the horrors

[keen zodiac]

kill thanatos

[obsidian nova]

YESSS

[tepid crown]

@high lion

[high lion]

Yippee :)

[sleek turret]

AHAHAHAHHAAHAHAH THE POLTERGHAST PIXEL

[whole tundra]

[indigo yacht]

I'm 90% sure this doesn't happen

unless vortex armor is an exception to this

[tepid crown]

calamity doesnt do anything to double down set abilities

[indigo yacht]

i even have a video of myself using the set bonus repeatedly while dashing using dash keybind, so they're not connected

my old duke nohit

#suggestions-voting message
ok now that i reread this, shouldn't this have gone in #1052323733961977947 ? it's evidently an oversight.

[drowsy plank]

@charred geyser calamity doesnt have anything for double-tap down set bonuses to my knowledge rn?

[tepid crown]

now that i think about it

doesnt fargos have an option to change double down set abilities

to a keybind i mean

[drowsy plank]

i think next update they wanted to add a keybind for it which would be togglable separate from the dash keybind, but considering it isnt in the game yet idk how you could have opinions on it

[charred geyser]

it removes both or none.

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[drowsy plank]

well calamity =/= fargos so

[tepid crown]

theres literally a config for it

[charred geyser]

gotcha, i didn't realize it was in the configuration settings for it, i just looked through the controls & all the other configs. i also don't normally play with Fargo's so i'm not used to it. apologies for the suggestion, then.

[dense frost]

Everything is cheese

[gilded citrus]

@river lily this true?

[river lily]

yes

[dense frost]

😮

[keen zodiac]

why did the glass sugg get ❗'d

[tepid crown]

is already done for sso

[keen zodiac]

oh

[prisma sedge]

I wonder, has a suggestion that short ever actually passed, speaking of?

[glass arch]

i mean

the icicle arrow sugg is close

[prisma sedge]

Because even the others that ask for small changes usually have like...a paragraph of justifications

[trail smelt]

why dont make the fishing fun like stardew valley or another interative gimmick?

[grizzled dome]

Because that would be wildly out-of-scope for Calamity. Fishing is a vanilla system with plenty of its own deep mchanics whether those mechanics are interesting or not is a separate matter and reworking it into something different could easily be a mod to itself.

[dusky crag]

like what the banana man said
or they could add more varients of "fish it up and beat tf outta the fish to get the item"
I'd wanna fight a sunken sailfish but 10 times the size lmao

[trail smelt]

oh ok, I thought it might fit in with the sunken sea update, but sometimes you don't need to change too much

[trail smelt]

u talking about more duke fishrons? this fits nicely for the mod

[grizzled dome]

Fishing is a big vanilla system, and it works. It doesn't necessarily work great, and there's a major balancing act for how important it is or should be, but it functions.

[indigo yacht]

i think probably blood moon enemies more likely

[dusky crag]

pretty much eh, I was leaning more into blood moons but yeah that works as well

[grizzled dome]

yeah, duke fishron you technically fish up but you don't really engage with the fishing mechanics in the same way as you do for blood moon enemies.

[indigo yacht]

i kinda want to make a mod that changes how fishing works a little bit so it's more palatable for more people (maybe like, automatically catching fish (unless you have sonar or smth) with a little minigame that's harder but not too hard for rarer catches)

but i should probably focus on what I'm currently "working" on lmao

[dusky crag]

I think Overhaul does that, not too sure its been a while since I've played that mod

[indigo yacht]

from what i know about terraria overhaul i wouldn't be surprised

but ideally the mod would just be a small thing you could pop into any mod list and it would work fine (although idk how I'd deal with stuff like bloodworms)

[trail smelt]

i like something different like using a whole boss as a bait (would be funny idk)

throwing in the water like a sacrifice or something

[errant wren]

chum buckets but it makes the fish violent

[trail smelt]

instead of a bloodworm/generic truffle worm number 2

[trail smelt]

fits well too

[prisma sedge]

Something I thought about was that instead of something like Stardew Valley, it could instead be something like a game called Spirit Farer, where basically:

Fish fight back against your line, so you have to hold down to reel them in and not lose them, but if you reel them in for too long at once, your line breaks! But even then, it still asks the question of "even if it's fun at first, will it be fun the 20th time in a row?"

[oblique birch]

makes fishing like Stardew Valley is a bad idea

2 games are very different from each other

[trail smelt]

agreed.

[fleet grotto]

i think fishing will be more fun/enjoyable with enhanced visuals, since as it currently is, fishing is at a perfect speed (besides lava fishing, we don't talk about lava fishing) imo
getting a balance of the same speed it currently is while still changing how it works feels like it would be super fucking difficult to even come up with an idea to do so

[fleet grotto]

im also pretty sure fishing is getting better visuals in 145 anyways

[tired haven]

For what its worth, that system sounds similar to what Core Keeper does, and after 20 times it is worse than Terraria's (because it demands attention yet doesnt make it varied enough)

[odd fractal]

[prisma sedge]

Yeaaahhh, that's what worried me
I feel like the solution here is to make it simple, but varied enough to not bore the average player after doing it several times in a row, and not demanding enough to make it frustrating for players who just want to get the rewards and move on...while also sticking to the general structure of a game like Terraria, but how would one even go about that?

[tired haven]

Yeah. I for one have no idea (other than perhaps lean into loot shower thing for stimulation purposes)

[indigo yacht]

i think that trying to give terraria fishing a stardew valley like minigame is a terrible idea because like, terraria has WAY more shit to fish up and way less control over what you catch

[fleet grotto]

iagree

[small bramble]

hmm I always felt like the good ol combo of dirt + dryad's hallowed seeds was sufficient for me

[prisma sedge]

I can see that, but even then, that'd cause an issue where higher rewards would become more common, and would then become less...rewarding, for casual players

The only thing I can think of is...while this wouldn't fix fishing itself, maybe there could be a way to automate it, like fishing nets you can place or something

[indigo yacht]

actually thats not entirely true but it would require a reworking of fishing progression
if you made it so that you could catch more stuff at a time later in the game or with better gear then i think a minigame could work pretty well

[tired haven]

By loot shower I mean like, a bunch of popups with little relevant value, like coins and low tier fish and bait
Which I suppose fits crate description moreso than fishing itself

[prisma sedge]

Like, maybe they could have limited storage, so you'd have to check often if you want to maximize rewards, but just for casual use, you could check it every once in a while and get a handful of fish you didn't need to sit down and actually fish for

[prisma sedge]

Ahh I see

[tired haven]

Essentially an anti-thesis of lava fishing which takes a long time between feedback and feels awful

Even if average reward is better

[prisma sedge]

Ah yeaahhh, lava fishing sucks
And doesn't it only have two actual fish?

[tired haven]

Flare koi and obsidifish yeah

[prisma sedge]

Like, fish that are used for potions, which is nice, but...still
I think most of the loot pool there is non-fish items

[indigo yacht]

you mostly catch fish anyways

[prisma sedge]

Mostly, though in my experience, I've gotten almost as many crates as I've gotten either of the individual fish

[trail smelt]

Fishing nests is a nice idea

[indigo yacht]

did you have good gear? mine was middling at best

[prisma sedge]

Yeah, I tend to put on the full shabang when I go fishing, mostly to cut down on the time it takes

[indigo yacht]

ah well that'd do it

[trail smelt]

Fish traps are viable for the mod?

[prisma sedge]

Also...now that I'm thinking about that, the idea does sound nice, yeah
Still doesn't make fishing itself more fun, but I think that's the one area in the game that I could see use for automating, without being something that'd break the game

[trail smelt]

I think I would be satisfied with something simple like that.

[errant wren]

luiafk had something like that iirc

[prisma sedge]

And maybe if it'd even need balancing, it could be by having it so the nets only catch fish, so you can't automate crate fishing

[errant wren]

automatic fishing goofy, should most likely be restricted by bait

[prisma sedge]

Ahhh yeah, makes sense

[errant wren]

source: the unlimited rods were super broken for it

[trail smelt]

I think it would be fair if I dumped the bait like chum buckets.

[fleet grotto]

i remember coming with an idea for like an infinite bait accessory that, yes, let you fish without bait. but when you weren't using any, your fishing power was halved and you didn't get the power from any bait you would be using (of course) so it's just a lot less efficient

[indigo yacht]

imo that sounds useless

[prisma sedge]

I can kind of see the vision, it'd allow you to fish without needing to go out and find bait, but in return, you'd have to fish for longer to get better rewards

[errant wren]

that... hmmm

[fleet grotto]

yes!

that's why i only came up with the idea

i think it could have a use in like

afking or whatever

"afking"

if the stress ball thing vanilla is adding would work with fishing just do it overnight smile

[indigo yacht]

yeah ig

[trail smelt]

Fair, but i dont think the stress ball gonna function this way

Fishing requires timing

[trail smelt]

Unless your accessory be able to fish automatically too

[grave zinc]

@mortal tusk - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[make the dreadon storyline stuff more mainline]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@whole tundra - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make freshly generated Calamity worlds start at 4:30am instead of 8:15am]

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@alpine dawn - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove the Goblin Peon's ability to destroy doors]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[prisma sedge]

Suggestions like this are another reason why I appreciate the upcoming questlines for Amidias and potentially Statis, because now that's my go-to for how you could prompt a player to interact with lore stuff like this

[thorn dock]

I heard specific item suggestions arent allowed. Could it be a good item to suggest sth that comes close to that?
A channel where we are allowed to post our ideas, backed by a discussion channel to make it open for public discussion?

[whole tundra]

Specific item suggestions are usually not allowed, but I'm pretty sure you can suggest stuff to change about specific items

And also certain specific items for consistency stuff

[thorn dock]

Idea was about a channel where we can drop our ideas in, backed by a channel for discussion. Just for the ones of us who have folders full of item ideas

[frail mantle]

at that point it's less of a suggestions channel and more of an ideasguy channel

[thorn dock]

Correct, the thought of an additionl channel where we can post (limited to 1 post/day) our gear ideas. Just to release them and make them haunt us less

[severe sparrow]

one issue with that

[tepid crown]

#general-talk #general-media

[dense frost]

Genereneral

[thorn dock]

These are questions prior to an intentional suggestion. I dont think General talk is the correct place to get the correct answers

[echo leaf]

It could be possible, but its intended use of "endlessly fishing while you do something else" doesn't work in practice

I set up an autoclicker which barely functioned properly, but it could do just that for me. Very inefficient and very slow. Let it run while I went shopping

Turns out I got killed by Dreadnautilus because I cannot control random bloons, and Dreadnautilus cannot be blocked by walls or stomped by minions/turrets quickly enough

(or at least I didn't invest enough effort into dreadnut-proofing my spot)

For an accessory to work like that it'd also need to disable fishing spawns and random boss spawns (e.x. King Slime, mechs)

Which seems a bit much

[humble scarab]

I dont agree with the defense dmg removal

[frail fox]

Love how completely wrong this suggestion is

“Defense builds are unviable” no they aren’t 😭

[humble scarab]

The whole point of this mechanic is to remove the easiest way of being immortal

And defense builds are viable af

[echo leaf]

Defense builds are like

the opposite of unviable

"Defense is bad" mfs when they use Reaver Helm for the first time

But even then, defense damage does have a good few flaws so

It's not guaranteed it'll be around for long

[pale moon]

good

[vagrant spindle]

byeah glass cannon is absolutely not the meta

[humble scarab]

I think it will be for long cuz the main point of it is to avoid immortal defense builds

[weary bane]

there are probably better ways of doing that than a mechanic that affects all builds

[humble scarab]

And there isnt good replacement beside nerfing all defensive items and rebalancing dng values

[echo leaf]

The biggest issue with defense damage imo is that it punishes being bad at the game

[humble scarab]

Ye

I didnt think about it

[olive saddle]

defense damage feels like if someone who doesn't know how to properly balance a game tried to balance a game

perhaps a hot take: defense is fine as it was

[pale moon]

so true

[humble scarab]

if they remove the defense dmg, there must be big nerfs to defensive items too

[gritty acorn]

is my suggestion good

🥺

[echo leaf]

Oh, I dunno what your suggestion is

[kindred fractal]

I don't actually see a huge problem with DD, I actually like the mechanic if anything.

[gritty acorn]

its abt fake demon altars

[echo leaf]

Oh, that one

[gritty acorn]

its in voting

[echo leaf]

I see it. I think it's good! I know it's very convenient, I like it

[gritty acorn]

yipii ty

[kindred fractal]

Aren't they adding that into vanilla? With EVERY OTHER MOD EVER also adding that?

[grim tusk]

why is this sugg so full of misinfo

[gritty acorn]

in vanilla doubt

its not available in base cal tho

[kindred fractal]

No they literally are

[grim tusk]

and spikes already have their own iframes this was a vanilla issue

[gritty acorn]

idk its in like 2 to 5 business days

would be a nice temporary solution if they are actually making one

[fickle rapids]

suggestion of misinfo and inaccuracies

[indigo yacht]

what the fuck

how does allowing spikes to cheese bosses count as fixing defense damage

huh??????????????

[humble scarab]

i have no idea

[indigo yacht]

"defense builds are unviable" we need a test to make sure that people actually have any idea what they're saying before posting a suggestion or smth

although i guess that's what this channel is for

I'll never understand the defense damage hate basically all it does is prevent face tanking and nothing else

it's barely even here most of the time

[humble scarab]

the only people who have problems with it are new players

[echo leaf]

Experienced players fit into one of two categories of "defense damage doesn't matter"

1. They can produce setups good enough to where defense damage doesn't matter
2. They're experienced enough to avoid hitboxes which inflict defense damage

Inexperienced players are the opposite

1. Their setups can suffer greatly from defense damage
2. They are prone to getting hit by hitboxes which inflict defense damage

[severe sparrow]

What about BFlare Core

that thing will have to be totally reworked if DD is removed

personally
I really like the idea of defense damage

[echo leaf]

That's OK- accessories get reworked all the time

[severe sparrow]

In my opinion, it is fine as is (maybe needs a bit of tweaking, but it is fine RN)

[echo leaf]

I tend to agree with this

But I'm not blind to the fact it has problems

[humble scarab]

for now its ok, but it will need to be changed in the future

and there is alot of things in the future

expecially now

[severe sparrow]

yeah, thats true

[indigo yacht]

ngl I've noticed a lot of the people who complain about defense damage are complaining about the idea of defense damage rather than the actual gameplay experience

[echo leaf]

I can also see that too

I remember when I was fighting inf Guards I just... wasn't taking defense damage. at all

[indigo yacht]

does infernum have defense damage?

[echo leaf]

i took it at the very end when i intentionally started taking contact damagee from Commander

[echo leaf]

Yes

[indigo yacht]

hm

i thought the devs didn't like it so they didn't use it

[echo leaf]

But I think it only might have defense damage because it's reusing Calamity hitboxes which do

[indigo yacht]

oh

[echo leaf]

Things that logically should have defense damage (Guardians intro, Defender's geysers, Commander's eruption, etc) just don't

But all of them are brand new attacks from Infernum

Guards always dealt contact damage, even in Clamity, yet they do have defense damage. So that's where my theory comes from

[half imp]

@charred geyser There is a way to disable double tap set bonuses in general or enable them for calamity armors in the sunken sea update already shared in #changelogs, so this has already been done in it's own way

[indigo yacht]

you can usually tell because they just make things up which show you they haven't actually interacted with the mechanic in any meaningful way

like they'll say that everything inflicts defense damage

or that defense damage takes away all of your defense

or something else that isn't true and is relatively easy to disprove

[half imp]

Also defense damage is probably not dying

At least not without major overhaul to tanking as a whole

It's actually the reason defense builds ARE viable without trivializing bosses

[echo leaf]

Yeah I just checked. I got hit by every hitbox under the sun and I only got defense damage twice. Defender's contact damage and... I'm not really sure wtf hit me the second time but it's plausible it was Commander contact damage.

[indigo yacht]

is rover drive losing its thing where you don't take defense damage

[echo leaf]

i welcome this with open arms

[tired haven]

I would welcome that with open arms if not for a complete absence of imagining what it will be overhauled as

[indigo yacht]

tanking should be literal. you should literally become like an actual straight up mbt

[gilded citrus]

wrong, become a water tank filled with water

[tired haven]

The ironic part is that's what the mount strategy to free up more acc slots for more tanky is, and that's what toy tank mount is for

[tired haven]

Free aquatic emblem trigger...

[mellow coral]

Wait it qould be pretty cool if there was just one lore item

And it was like a conpendium of sorts instead

Which unlocks entries by beating the bosses

[gilded citrus]

i know theres some want in the devs to change lore items

atleast in the lore writers

[covert zealot]

I literally always go for a defensive build/defense build, damage is NOT the meta unless you are great at the game

[humble scarab]

i started going less for dmg to enjoy bossfights more

[covert zealot]

as a massive noob, even after being on my second (tecnically third) playthrough, i definitely feel this, and its why i usually tend to always gravitate towards melee armors specially earlygame

[echo leaf]

It's still not meta even if you're good at the game

[indigo yacht]

(it's still not me-

damn it

too slow

[echo leaf]

Good to know my statement is grounded in reality

[tired haven]

Depends on what meta is, if your definition is dying the least, defensive is 100% meta, if its to kill a new boss before it kills you, defensive is 95% meta

[covert zealot]

im not good enough at dodging to beat a fight with a glass cannon setup, closests ive done was during my first playthrough on multiplayer, where i was always under the effect of the odd mushrooms until moonlord, but i can beat a fight by stacking so much defense i can wait until i cna learn the pattern through trial and error and just

slowly heal back to full

honestly i have a lot of issues trying to slot in offensive accesories even if they are cool 😭 i love defensive builds too much

[humble scarab]

perma odd mushroom for you first playthrough

[indigo yacht]

glass cannon is still my favorite way to play the game but there's something special about becoming literally unkillable

[covert zealot]

Correct

[covert zealot]

this was revengeance master mode

too

[humble scarab]

wow

[covert zealot]

WITH perma odd mushroom

[indigo yacht]

now nohit it

[covert zealot]

granted i had 2 other people with me but still

[indigo yacht]

shroomed first journey

[covert zealot]

im proud of my unga bunga melee

[gritty acorn]

i think it should just be a new bestiary category

[mellow coral]

Teue

True

[gritty acorn]

like lore category

with events included

[mellow coral]

But its supposed to be yharim speaking to you right

Yharims cell phone

[gritty acorn]

ye

[covert zealot]

i dont think i can do that without playing on like baby mode 😭 highkey still getting my ass kicked on this playthrough and i do have stars above on (coz last time i tried, multi broke the bullet hells HARD)

bu yeah

I just run full defensive accesories+mobility...with full warding,i think defensive builds are the meta

[trail smelt]

Why calamity have summoner weapons that function as a mage weapon? Using mana is a bit boring idk, but i get the point

Reducing the mana cost would be fine

Or not using mana

[indigo yacht]

every summon staff in the game:

[trail smelt]

The mana is a little logic detail, but not affects the gameplay

[trail smelt]

Because summoner dont have mana buffs like mages

Idk

[drowsy plank]

you can still use mana regen potions or mana flower

[trail smelt]

Fair

But i I thought in a active use weapon that Sacrifice minions slots, would be... Interesting idk

[indigo yacht]

that's just a summon staff with extra steps

[echo leaf]

kamikaze squirrel

[humble scarab]

add dynamite to squirrel staff you get at the start

[tepid crown]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Igneous_Exaltation

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Glacial_Embrace

[prisma sedge]

Pf- unembedded

[tepid crown]

ye i did that myself

[trail smelt]

Very nice

[grim tusk]

no, from what it seems they want spikes giving iframes that work bosses gone, which is already the case for most Cal bosses which use the special ML iframes

altho pretty sure spikes have their own iframes in 1.4.4 making em irrelevant for cheese

[tepid crown]

1.3 actually

[indigo yacht]

yeah they definitely dont work for cheese i would know

[tepid crown]

does lava have spike iframes?

[tired haven]

Lava got separate from spike iframes in late 1.4 yes

[tepid crown]

i dont remember it getting anything ever

[royal tapir]

Yeah what Crab said

[tepid crown]

ah alr

[tired haven]

(There was a real fun small period of time when Obsidian Rose was the best accessory in the game)

[indigo yacht]

bees

[mellow coral]

Huh

[fleet grotto]

this defense damage suggestion feels like a roller coaster

[misty lichen]

spikes catching a stray for something they haven’t done since like 1.2

[errant wren]

defense damage haters when defense damage counters the thing it was made to counter

[charred geyser]

well it didn't reply to a person so hell

i hate discord on mobile so much.

[charred geyser]

i apologize for being an idiot: can you link that post? i searched the version number the sunken sea was released, in that channel, but none of the posts it returns are showing anything about double-tap set bonuses. (i'm super aware that i could just be very dumb in this case, i don't use discord a ton & a lot of it is very unintuitive to me).

if this is already done, could you show me where to disable the double-tap down/up for set bonuses? similar to discord, i find the config menus a bit confusing, just a lot of information overload.

[half imp]

537 - Vanilla armor set bonuses can now be activated with the Calamity set bonus hotkey and Calamity armor set bonuses can now be activated with the vanilla double tap down control. - Done ✅

this has not released yet though

that's why you're unable to find it in game

(this comes with working like the Dash Override key)

(even though it doesn't list it)

[charred geyser]

what version is that for? sorry, you said the sunken sea update, i didn't realize there was an additional update for the sunken sea so i thought you meant the update that released the sunken sea. i just joined this server & don't follow calamity in any way.

(sorry, surgery has made things a bit harder for me to understand, I'm finding i need explicit answers to understand things.)

will this allow you to disable double-tap down/up for set bonuses while still keeping double-tap left/right to dash?

[half imp]

ah, the next major update is Sunken Sea Overhaul

it will be in that update

we will have one hotfix before Sunken Sea Overhaul, which will not have that

[half imp]

Yes. It is separate from dash

[charred geyser]

thank you so much for the explicit answer, i really appreciate it 💕

[half imp]

there's an Armor Set Bonus Override key, and a Dash Override key

glad i can help

[charred geyser]

my suggestion can be deleted then if it's already being added

[fickle rapids]

#suggestions-posting message thoughts?

although its a perfectly fine weapon and quite fun to use i think it would be even better if it were just a little quicker/more responsive

hopefully im not completely misusing the channel lol

[drowsy plank]

it's fine i think

[fickle rapids]

ok good to know

[worn elk]

is defense damage there to stop you tanking hits repeatedly by going all in on defense

[fickle rapids]

yeah, p much to prevent just eating hits to the face

i.e. winning calamitas clone bullet hell by just having so much defense the bullets that hit you cant do anything

[worn elk]

makes sense since most of calamity seems to incentivise you not getting hit in the first place

xd

[fickle rapids]

yea lol

[worn elk]

tho it does make it so that if you get hit you're immediately gonna be in a much worse position if you get hit again

like the more mistakes you make the more you're punished for each one

[fickle rapids]

all damage is optional

[worn elk]

just dodge smh

[fickle rapids]

agreed

[fickle rapids]

anyway it should not be faster to fire another grenade than another bullet after you click grenade while wingman is fully charged

2nd round of grenades timing is Fine too its just that bullets come out too slow

[indigo yacht]

i feel like the past 5 suggestions or so have been invalid so its nice to see one that isnt even if i have no idea what wingman does

[fickle rapids]

its a fun item go get it from martian invasion

[keen zodiac]

mage weapon

[oblique birch]

I missed the funny defense damage suggestion 😔

[tepid crown]

@thick bone whips are planned to be introduced

[fleet grotto]

Summoners will be getting whips when summoner is actually balanced around them

[thick bone]

really?

great

[tepid crown]

yes

[thick bone]

i thought the community despised them

and fabsol

[fleet grotto]

The community does despise fabsol, yes

[thick bone]

so when i saw he left i immediately thought abt it

[thick bone]

i didnt mention that exactly

i mean fabsol hated the whips

[fleet grotto]

Whips have been planned for a long time now