suggestions-discussion

[fleet grotto]

this is what I get for not scrolling up, huh

[frail fox]

Feller waiting to become the ultimate Braelor axe in 3 years

[pure verge]

you could just have it's lore purpose given to the axe of regrowth

[indigo yacht]

@worn plume please read the suggestions document

[worn plume]

what are this changes

omg

[indigo yacht]

this breaks at least one of the rules

[worn plume]

oh sorry

[indigo yacht]

that being "no suggestions about future content"

[golden sonnet]

It breaks 3, future content, no reasoning, and no formatting

also what is wrong with the recipes being removed, they all sucked anyway

[worn plume]

damm sorry

[worn plume]

it was quality life

[golden sonnet]

It was only removed from the items that arent annoying to get, and the recipes just made it so you never had to actually interact with the game

[indigo yacht]

and in exchange the drop rates for stuff like ankh charm were buffed, and with other calamity qol such as zerg potions it will not be a challenge to obtain them

[novel belfry]

I dunno man, I feel like saying "they all sucked anyway" is a harsh way to put it

[crude geode]

They did

[pure verge]

shimmer already makes getting Ankh Charm ingredients a lot easier anyways

[novel belfry]

It was useful. That said, the new changes are dealt with by simply expanding the range of enemies that drop the items AND IIRC the chances as well.

So, it's not going to sting this hard.

[golden sonnet]

It's realistic, the recipes were removed because of a suggestion, half of them had zero reason to exist, and the other half just made the game more of a boss rush and discouraged ineracting with the game rather than just opening a chest

[tepid crown]

desert minecart was so needed tho!!

[novel belfry]

I much prefer an explanation rather than just simply calling something that people are angry about "sucked anyways"

it doesn't help matters.

[pure verge]

also, if you really wanted to be able to craft Ankh Charm ingredients, there's already multiple different mods that let you do so anyways

[tepid crown]

the explanation is the same one that theyve repeated for the past week

[novel belfry]

That is true.

[indigo yacht]

this is true

normally I don't like saying "just use a different mod" but for an objectively negative change I'm fine with that ultimatum

[crude geode]

Bot is dead

[olive saddle]

the more i see of calamity players the more i realize they just really dont want to play the game and instead want a boss rush

[tepid crown]

@inland saddle sugg bot died

[drowsy plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465195069406707722/1308300486943965205/suggestion_bot_down.gif

[whole tundra]

It's been 3 days without suggestion bot...

[indigo yacht]

this community is the worst

/j

to be honest this suggestion reasoning is not the best

at least it has reasoning though

I don't think this qualifies as an SIS at least

[golden sonnet]

@half imp plans make this a 🔒 /❗ yeah?

Just making sure as I'm not sure how set it stone that is

[prisma sedge]

"Lore-wise it would also be neat as Yharim loves bees"
Sounds like a pretty solid reason to me, how would we deny Beekeeper Yharim?

[indigo yacht]

jennifer im setting you on fire

[prisma sedge]

[tepid crown]

im going to KILL the concept of flanderisation

[olive saddle]

it is really bad

[crude geode]

Annoying/complaining people are always going to be loud in communities

[kind laurel]

Is this related to "Yharim loves bees" or the "Calamity is a boss mod?"

[tepid crown]

bees

[novel belfry]

It's a funny character trait that I wish was truly canon.

[kind laurel]

That was really something I thought of while posting it
I'm more suggesting it because the weapon is fun

Besides, it's not like we're getting a Yharim Bee armor set and 5 weapons for every class
Just one little thing that doesn't even have to bee Yharim themed if the developers thing the gag is overdone

[half imp]

Yes

[half imp]

There is already plans relating to your suggestion; not plague or yharim themed though

but I agree, swarmer is cool

[kind laurel]

nice!

[half imp]

it will be awesome

[drowsy plank]

oh okay cool then ill flag the suggestion bc i dont think it has very good reasoning AND it was already done anyway

[prisma sedge]

That's pretty sick, though I'm wondering which one's getting the upgrade! My guess is the Hive Pack, but that's just because the Swarmer is something you get a lot later in the game

[half imp]

Hive Pack upgrade sounds pointless bc no bee items

besides wasp gun and the swarmer

I do want to buff hive pack though to work with everything bee

Including plague bees

[distant gyro]

i dont think hive pack is ever getting an upgrade again

you may find it cool but im never a fan of forced synergies

[half imp]

yeah

hive pack itself can work with stuff but it both does not need an upgrade nor would an upgrade be interesting

[distant gyro]

when plague hive was a hive pack upgrade it gave the swarmer some +30 base damage to its 50 or so and it basically tells you "please use this 2 items together"

[half imp]

has a 50/50 chance to turn any projectile into a Giant Bee, not just bee ones

[indigo yacht]

I'm okay with hive pack as it is because the weapons it buffs are still pretty good without it and it has some decent variety but I don't think an upgrade would be very good

[half imp]

yeah

[crude geode]

I think hive pack should make all bees friendly except bosses

[half imp]

it can work solely because it is the only effect it provides

[frail fox]

It’s funny how it made an op weapon even more op

[crude geode]

[indigo yacht]

i just watched it go from nobody typing to several people typing in an instant

[half imp]

So the bee effects can be made strong with it so they matter but are still similar to an emblem

but if you add more to hive pack, now the bee effects have to be weak to make it not a forced pairing

[distant gyro]

hive pack i think gets away with it because it doesnt have an unmatched contribution power and it can be applied to a several more weapons of that tier

[half imp]

yeah

Exactly

the bee effects of the pack are not so much to make there not be competition

[indigo yacht]

hive pack is just kinda balanced i think

[half imp]

that's how Hive Pack is on my swarmer upgrade

It's good but not to the point where it's just mandatory

(if anything it actually slightly changes how you play the weapon)

[prisma sedge]

So based on all of that, I'm guessing it's actually Swarmer? That's pretty cool, I wonder what stage the upgrade's going to be at!

[distant gyro]

shoutouts to fungal clump pacifying crabulon it was funny as fuck

[frail fox]

Oh my god I remember

Peak

[prisma sedge]

My immediate guess just design-wise was post-Yharon, but in terms of weapon balance, I'm...not actually so sure about that

[lucid marsh]

I think it should make the bosses also friendly

[drowsy plank]

i mean there would be if plague swarmers counted

oh lmao im blind

[half imp]

All I will say is the upgrade theming is the most peak thing in calamity

[prisma sedge]

Alriiighhht, that's intriguing

[half imp]

it had me laughing my head off when I first programmed it

it's both funny and cool

part of me wants to spoil it so everyone else can enjoy peak but the rest of me doesn't wanna spoil it so that everyone else can enjoy peak naturally

[prisma sedge]

Fair enough honestly! Do you think this'll be an SSO thing, at least?

[half imp]

Depends on if sprites get done

although honestly the placeholders are arguably funnier

I'll probably leave a way to activate them in the game

I will say that the item is peak enough I also made it work as a vanity accessory

[prisma sedge]

As a vanity accessory...huh...okay yeah, this is very interesting to imagine so far

[errant wren]

what's all this buzz i'm hearing about hive pack or whatever

i'll see myself out

[distant gyro]

that one stings

[elder salmon]

Im not sure if it is just my game, but the Virid Vanguard is my best summon at the moment and I cannot use it because the graphical tracer the swords leave glitch and come from across the screen, making it impossible to see anything when combined with boss and weapon particles

[drowsy plank]

#1052323733961977947

[elder salmon]

I read the pin, and it said if I didnt upload a log my post would be deleted immediately

But there is no log, I can upload a video if that would work?

[golden sonnet]

There is always a log, read the instructions

[half imp]

It's peak

[oblique otter]

@elder salmon craft the necroplasmic beacon from the spirits you've killed

it's not post polter (right?)

[crude geode]

nope

it's prepolter

[oblique otter]

yeah you don't have to repeat the 30 spirit mechanic each time you want to summon it, just craft the summoning item

[exotic gyro]

@elder salmon read the suggestion posting rule

Ur suggestion is still invalid

[crude geode]

this is also two suggestions in one, which isn't really good

[exotic gyro]

Oh yeah

Dude really edited another one

Into it

[oblique otter]

I don't see how spike balls/flame wheels makes you struggle on polter

[exotic gyro]

Suggesting to change boss behaviour is dumb

[crude geode]

not really, but also most people won't do well with it

there's an entire section about 'be VERY cautious, but this isn't a hard don't'

[elder salmon]

Okay just delete everything I posted then sorry

[drowsy plank]

you could just read the rules man they arent even bad ideas

also wait

@elder salmon you do know you can just use necromantic beacon or whatever to summon polter, right?

[exotic gyro]

I mean whatever u suggested already exists

[drowsy plank]

i thought this was about making polter not spawn while dungeon farming lmfao

[indigo yacht]

i could see some merit in like a "spirit repellant altar" to prevent polterghast from spawning based on phantom spirit kills when you're near it

[glass arch]

asset hell

[indigo yacht]

i personally don't see the need but i suppose it might be useful for people who actually farm in the dungeon

[tardy geyser]

Doesnt it stop naturally spawning after you beat it?

[indigo yacht]

🤷

[crude geode]

yeah, but if you're farming for bloodstone cores or supreme mana pots it can get irritating

[royal tapir]

I will also mention that, next update, Blazing Wheels and Spike Balls are despawned when a boss spawns

[drowsy plank]

good

[echo leaf]

good

absolute bastards

[novel belfry]

i'll never understand why we cant hurt them

if i ever go beyond the status of Ideas Guy and become an actual mod dev and make my hypothetical dungeon rework mod

those two are going to be absurdly reworked you just know it

[echo leaf]

I have an idea of a way to trap them and make them fuck off

I think I might've actually built it at some point

[prisma sedge]

Honestly, I get why in pre-hardmode, but it would be nice if you could kill them in hardmode

[small bramble]

thank god omg

[small bramble]

I do like how fargo's does it where you can just attack them (at least the wheels you can)

[frank mango]

yo i just got badge of bravery and i dont know what to change it with like with what accesorie?

[olive saddle]

please post this in #help-advice-read-pins; this is the wrong channel. this is for discussing things in #suggestions-posting

totally reasonable mistake though

[severe sparrow]

Isn't it weird that Summoner only has 1 (pretty) mid MM weapon, while the other classes have 2 (in ranger's case, 3) MM weapons?

[vestal crater]

Mega moon

[indigo yacht]

what is MM

miracle matter?

[boreal lichen]

yep

[whole tundra]

Melee also has 1

Unless you count Iridescent Excalibur

[indigo yacht]

i think the obvious solution here is to make heavenly gale a summon weapon

[tepid crown]

hey devs did you know [very popular set] has [very obvious issue]?????

[distant gyro]

hold up really

[gilded citrus]

oh damn wow

[tepid crown]

yea insane ik

[distant gyro]

idk where amber left off immaterializer

its at least half finished

may have been gated by minion sprites but i forgot

[half imp]

good thing I'm reworking [Very Unpopular Set] to remove [Very Obvious Issue]

[indigo yacht]

something something auric magic carpet

[deep cape]

It’d be so nice to have imbue flasks for the DOT types that aren’t fire and sickness

Stacking debuffs is fun

Crush depth flask crafted with Lumenyl maybe for example

[brittle panther]

They've already considered more flasks

[drowsy plank]

this is 100% an oversight

i feel like this might honestly be better for #1052323733961977947 but idk

[restive nest]

wrong suggestion?

i'm not sure if this is a bug because ashen slab is still mineable

[drowsy plank]

im unsure still
but it's is definetly not intentional, probably just left over from when mining in crags was all post-mech stuff

[severe sparrow]

I dont know why, but i feel like there should be more to do inbetween DoG and Yharon.

[drowsy plank]

distortion

coming 20XX

[severe sparrow]

that makes sense

[drowsy plank]

anyway the slab thing should probably be changed, i just dunno if this is the right channel to ask about it in

im really leaning more towards #1052323733961977947 just because i think that would be faster

[severe sparrow]

Anyways, just wondering, i assume you are eventually going to patch out Slime God sometimes dying when he despawns?

[restive nest]

The bug report form looks kinda complicated for a slab issue

it's not hard to make bugreport, but this is better than suggestion?

[drowsy plank]

yes a bug report is faster and guarnteed to fix the issue

also it isn't too complicated for this, this could be caused by a mod compatability issue or some other obscure problem

this isn't a suggestion because it is clearly bizarre and unexpected behavior, and should be reported as the bug it clearly seems to be

[restive nest]

i have some other content or rework mods

[drowsy plank]

yeah there's a non-zero chance those could be fucking with it and without a proper bug report we could not confirm

so you should make a bug report for this, not a suggestion

[restive nest]

okay, i'll delete suggestion soon

[severe sparrow]

Hey Cog, how did you get your name?

[drowsy plank]

if you mean "Cog" i just shortened my username for my screenname

[severe sparrow]

got it

[novel belfry]

So, what does "cognitiveafflatus" mean?

[glass arch]

iirc its based off of something from homestuck

[prisma sedge]

It chases me wherever I go...

[novel belfry]

[indigo yacht]

@weary bridge please read the suggestions document

[weary bridge]

oki

[indigo yacht]

it's in the channel description

[tepid crown]

that would just be distracting

[indigo yacht]

oh and pins apparently

"whip discussions are discourged"-

Remove whips from the game

they're quite fun to use but i think it would be funny

[weary bridge]

is my suggestion fixed

[indigo yacht]

it doesn't really have any reasoning

suggestions are meant to solve problems first and foremost

you outline a problem and propose a solution, then explain why your solution solves that problem

[weary bridge]

i think its fine now, right?

[indigo yacht]

ngl i still don't really think this can be considered a problem the mod needs to solve

you'll have to see if cog does or not

[errant wren]

it would be uhh

neat?

not really something that i feel would be added by cal

(it would be really funny if they did it like the bouncing ball lyrics thing but with a tiny sprite of the boss, though)

[prisma sedge]

Honestly yeah, this feels like addon territory

[weary bridge]

i wish someone was interested enough to make it an addon

[indigo yacht]

you seem plenty interested

why don't you

[half imp]

I accidentally almost forwarded this message

Also about the music

Music syncing stuff in tmodloader is like

not practical

afaik

[indigo yacht]

infernum providence :cluele

[half imp]

if infernum has a good way of doing it that stays working with frame skip off and lag that'd be impressive

for lyrics it's not a "nice if it's synced but not important if desync" thing, it's a "this needs to stay synced always to work"

[dense locust]

simplt make music affected by lag

[half imp]

Me fighting scal at 40% speed with the music never ending

[frail fox]

So true

When the port broke it 🔥

[errant cradle]

yea

pretty sure infernum's system has been down for ages now so that's a no-go

suppose something could be done with MonoStereo but that'd have to be a weak reference thing rather thaan built into the mod

[novel belfry]

me making my reworked scal fight ten minutes long to make it sync somewhat better with the music

[hollow shell]

Do I have to argue for this lyric suggestion's validity, or is there something I'm missing

[drowsy plank]

i mean as doze was mentioning above, music syncing isn't practical in tmod rn

so before it was just incorrect formatting

but i am keeping it because of excessive effort

[hollow shell]

I argue against high effort

This is a code adventure that one dev could figure out in like a day if they tried

This isn't reworking rogue class

[drowsy plank]

wh
doze just said it isn't

do you know how many time infernum providence has broke?

if lucille can barely stick it im pretty confident in saying that it is not easy

and that's not even with lyrics like mentioned above

which require much steadier timing

[hollow shell]

Aight fair if Infernum's implementation was infamously temperamental
I wasn't aware

But I'd still argue the scope is really small

[drowsy plank]

it's moreso an issue with tmod's current paradiagm, if i am following correctly

the problem isn't that the conceptual scope is small, it's that there's like no support for doing this, like, at all

[hollow shell]

Aren't those chinese item bosses by Yiyang music synced?

[drowsy plank]

i have no idea i dont even know what those are

[dense locust]

oh right isnt maec emp synced

[drowsy plank]

does anyone have a link to that mod

[dense locust]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2858396998&searchtext=meac

[hollow shell]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vkNOBTsW0eU

0:59 for example

This was 2021

[drowsy plank]

well yeah

inf provi had it working at one point and then it broke

so i assume something in recent updates broke this

im also curious if it is dynamic music or if it is just a fight that happens to line up with the song

like doze said

what happens if you have frame skip off or you lag

[hollow shell]

Make it so the lyrics don't show up if you have frame skip off.

[dense locust]

why did they make a fucking ranbow rod this involved

[drowsy plank]

okay that still doesnt address the lag part

[hollow shell]

If you have frame skip on then lag won't desync the music

That's what frame skip is
(or is supposed to be)

[drowsy plank]

ill just @half imp atp i dunno how feasible this isnt bc i havent touched tmod in months

[novel belfry]

People will make insane bullet hell bosses out of anything, Crit.

[errant cradle]

Gotta agree with rover here ngl

If this was advocating for music synced fights I'd say it's absolutely excessive effort but it seems to just be asking for what could be a cute addition toggleable under a visual config

[half imp]

It is but does it work with lag

also MEAC empress was such a whiplash

hearing Lindsey Stirling in my terraria

[dense locust]

oh also what the fuck is this gear lmao

[half imp]

yeah that could be done ig

[errant cradle]

Admittedly I do wanna play around with music things too personally, I got dynamic music working in another mod and it'd be cool to use things like MonoStereo to achieve effects like this

[half imp]

That would make it easy enough

[half imp]

I also have a lot of things music related I'd love to do in Tmod in general

but it is not built for jt

[hollow shell]

👍 epic

[half imp]

It's not ideal but it's workable

[frail fox]

1.3 titanium moment ig

[hollow shell]

And yeah I hope tMod adds some music sync support in the future
Like some way of polling which sample number you're currently at in the song's waveform

But I understand that must not be easy to implement in a framework not built for it

XNA or whatever

[errant cradle]

anyways uh yeah I think it's fine to let this one through soooo

i'm gonna remove reactions

[drowsy plank]

[errant cradle]

oh its already done

[hollow shell]

aighty

[errant cradle]

don't you snail me...

[hollow shell]

Thank you Doze for the second opinion 👍

[forest bobcat]

Chat, snail this fella

[hollow shell]

youre either a snail fella or a fail snella

[half imp]

literally if there was just an easy way to tell where in the song you were

everything would be great

[indigo yacht]

break up the song into 2 second music bites and just play them sequentially

duh

[drowsy plank]

recreate the song in the game using sound effects

[indigo yacht]

TRUW

[hollow shell]

I know it's possible like in general, like writing a program from scratch that can do that
(because my weird audio player on my computer has a counter for the samples)

[half imp]

add a sound physics engine and singing NPCs with actually vibrating vocal chords

[hollow shell]

Literally also had this idea but decided against mentioning it because that would sound SO ass if there is any gap between them even for a frame

[half imp]

it's surely possible in tmodloader too, it just seems like a lot of effort for little reward

[half imp]

it would solve frame skip desync...

[hollow shell]

It would.

Technically.

[half imp]

it would let you sync attacks with music and have it work with lag...

[hollow shell]

The music would just sound like you're having a stroke

[drowsy plank]

wouldnt it also sound like shit- yeah ok

[half imp]

solution: force frame skip ON when these songs are playing

[drowsy plank]

skjlgdfhjhg

[half imp]

no more lag meta for scal

[errant wren]

no no no, clearly we play a .midi file

[hollow shell]

Unironically having an in-engine midi player would make this way easier

It would just, y'know

sound like midi

[errant wren]

just uh

[half imp]

Just install good plugins

[errant wren]

get good samplers

yeah

[drowsy plank]

im sure dokuro's tracks would lose absolutely no quality whatsoever from this conversion

[errant wren]

sample each beat of the songs and play them in sequential order

[hollow shell]

Include the entirety of FL Studio inside tModLoader, and directly play the FL projects live

[drowsy plank]

FL Studio would LOVE that!

[errant wren]

[hollow shell]

It would be so awesome

[errant wren]

(the only reason i actually brought up the midi thing is because i'm writing a song as we speak)

[drowsy plank]

https://tenor.com/view/it-would-be-so-awesome-it-would-be-so-cool-teen-titans-go-robin-gif-14628882061081858262

[errant wren]

(in fl studio)

[hollow shell]

https://tenor.com/view/it-would-be-so-awesome-it-would-be-so-cool-koopa-troopa-sm64-super-mario64-gif-25673976

[hollow shell]

nice

[lucid marsh]

Unironically in old updates lag was what let me beat DoG at all

I could actually dodge the bullets

[inland saddle]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3432453061&tscn=1745209279

No self advertisement of course

(Also the bot should be back)

[frail fox]

Suggestion invalid, forgot Permafrost's Concoction

[inland saddle]

Oh wait it already got recommended pog

[alpine dawn]

Concoction is cheeks so like idc

Oh wow I revived right inside of the worm boss with no meaningful DR i am now dead

[frail fox]

Still better than half the accessories you listed (mage is great)

[alpine dawn]

You got good accessories?
We have hype and aura

Ranger has twice as much as mage fuck this shit brah

[hollow shell]

Still worth mentioning it at least
15% mana cost reduction ain't bad at all

tis more than even Ethereal Talisman gives

[gilded citrus]

ethereal talisman should triple dps

[frail fox]

It’s funny how Concoction is the ultimate mana regen build accessory, and it’s only obtained at mech tier

[hollow shell]

(also so little love for my boy Chaos Stone
Gameplay-redefining acc

what happened to quality over quantity )

[hollow shell]

what

[gilded citrus]

idk

[clever rampart]

wrong one mb

[frail fox]

Hardly worth using In it’s current state unfortunately

[clever rampart]

meant to send this one

[hollow shell]

This is not any more appropriate

[clever rampart]

also didn't mean to send that

[gilded citrus]

:/

[clever rampart]

im in the rain rn so water is on my screen

trying to send a screenshot

[hollow shell]

If you're doing a bit can you stop- ok

[hollow shell]

😔

[clever rampart]

man what a chill morning at 2am

what times it for yall

[gilded citrus]

shame

10 am

[stark locust]

Me when mage is the best class

[gilded citrus]

in what metric

[frail fox]

Aura

[half imp]

This suggestion does fall under "has plans/being worked on"

how much it's being worked on i don't actually know

[dense locust]

mana consumption

[indigo yacht]

awesomeness

[spice stream]

awesome sauce

[serene vapor]

#suggestions-posting message I don’t think this is an issue

just means you get more accessory variety

[fleet grotto]

they also forgot Perma concoc but I'm certain that was brought up already

[dense locust]

mage has the least amount of cal accessories but like its only 1 less than ranger and 1 more than what melee has ignoring the true melee accessories

[distant gyro]

it's generally just more useful to focus on accessories usable on all classes

covers more ground for differentiation and stuff

[tepid crown]

classed accessories should generaly be dependant on the class and their gimmick(s) but

_ _

yeah

mana certainly is a mechanic in hit game terraria

[drowsy plank]

wasnt there a bunch of mage accessories stip was working on

did those just die or something

[distant gyro]

probably not but its clearly not a priority

or like

given the fact

theyre most probably existing as ideas person dump 0 spriting 0 programming

[errant wren]

~~we disable mana regen during boss battles and have mana regen stats be useful ~~

[distant gyro]

which is just about innumerable in calamity

[tepid crown]

#calamity-update-talk message

I SAID THIS AS A FUCKING JOKE

😭

[drowsy plank]

true

[distant gyro]

its on an existing item and not a new one

unless doze has something yet to be disclosed

[exotic gyro]

Let me tell a joke

Astrum aureus is actually fun

[gilded citrus]

@vagrant spindle kill this guy

[half imp]

lemme cook

I literally woke up with an epiphany for a mage acc

[prisma sedge]

I'm guessing this is, in fact, "something yet to be disclosed"?

[fleet grotto]

epiphany??? like stained,bruta

[half imp]

yea

Actually it does have loose connection

[distant gyro]

the connection in question:

[half imp]

insert one of those ancient proving the illuminati things

[indigo yacht]

obviously a desert scourge mage accessory

[errant wren]

desert scourge mage accessory that just makes all magic projectiles really dusty

[indigo yacht]

it makes sense bc it drops pearl shards which make sea remains which are materials from the late sunken sea which supreme Calamitas boiled and her theme is obviously sbc

[severe sparrow]

i have a question

is it fine to have something in a suggestion like this: "One idea is an Aerialite boomerang"?

[crude geode]

isn't the reason this doesn't happen specifically because more boomerangs are rogue

[severe sparrow]

While yes, the rogue class has boomerangs also, i still dont see why melee ones need to be left in the dust.

[novel belfry]

bring back melee/rogue boomerangs

[crude geode]

[errant cradle]

There was a time in the past where melee and rogue shared weapons, boomerangs being one of those types

[crude geode]

^^^^
it was asinine

[errant cradle]

Don't think the dev team would like to go back to that and the consensus seems to be to keep most boomerang type weapons to Rogue afaik

[novel belfry]

(Hilariously, I can imagine the Pwnagehammer line being reworked for this simply by making their rogue counterpart’s version of the big hammer attack into a stealth strike)

[severe sparrow]

that honestly isnt the worst idea

[novel belfry]

nigh infinite galaxy smasher sounds

[severe sparrow]

but

Calamity doesn't change the class of any vanilla weapon.

(AFAIK)

[errant cradle]

you'd be correct yes

[severe sparrow]

got it

are there any subclasses you can think of that don't have many weapons in Calamity

Honestly, Cal does pretty well with sentries (except for the post DoG area, that is kinda sad)

[crude geode]

cnidarian type weapons

[errant wren]

carpal tunnel subclass

[errant cradle]

Shortswords, Sentries (kind of), Whips

There's a few

[prisma sedge]

Ahhh, so Rogue

[crude geode]

shortsword purge...

[severe sparrow]

oh yeah
i remember someone doing a shortsword only playthrough, they had to kill a HM boss with an early pre HM weapon
yeah whips too but they are adding some

[errant wren]

i don't remember having to draw the trajectory of rogue weapons

[crude geode]

realistically, making subclass suggestions isn't. great, since most of the time the reasoning boils down to "make this subclass run easier"

which is an outright don't

[novel belfry]

cnidarian…

[distant gyro]

like half the yoyos are also going down in the future

ooooops

[crude geode]

RIP lmao

[severe sparrow]

removing half of the yoyos?

why

i mean

[crude geode]

cal should make a yo-yo company to justify putting in more yo-yos

[novel belfry]

screened

[errant cradle]

i didn't even know that wtf

[severe sparrow]

some are boring af and bad

[errant cradle]

😭

[errant wren]

carpal tunnel subclass featuring phaseslayer, cnidarian, art attack, i guess yo-yos

oh

[distant gyro]

most the set weapons have yoyos and they're mostly replaced by something else

cause like

air spinner is aero

[severe sparrow]

yeah

[distant gyro]

gods gambit is kinsmen set

etc

[frail fox]

Minor inconvenience tbh

[crude geode]

the less there are of a subclass, the more unique it is

[fleet grotto]

there are so many "add x" suggestions

[indigo yacht]

add calamity

[fleet grotto]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Calamity

[indigo yacht]

that's Calamity not calamity

[prisma sedge]

Add Fogbound, it's a great idea

[indigo yacht]

its case sensitive...

[fleet grotto]

why are they sensitive

it's like lactose intolerance. just tolerate it? goose. not even silly just goose

[indigo yacht]

I'm not even going to try and figure out what that means

[errant wren]

as a lactose intolerant person i can state that we still consume lactose regardless

[distant gyro]

cases have feelings too

[fleet grotto]

exactly

[clever rampart]

I think the devs should make the shield of seagle obtainable in early game instead of after pre hard mode

[errant wren]

can we add this message as a tooltip to Calamity, the accessory from calamity

[clever rampart]

same with the Ruby Ray of Rouleau

[brittle panther]

Similar to what's happening to a lot of the spiky balls this update

[prisma sedge]

I think you misunderstand, it's sensitive to cases...they're very cruel

[drowsy plank]

yall move on quickly but what was Hollow even talking about

ah yes of course

the shield of seagle and ruby ray of rouleau

well known

calamity weapons

[tepid crown]

a quick search shows ben 10

[drowsy plank]

oh this is all this guy has been doing

talking about non-existent weapons

[prisma sedge]

I thought it sounded weird, but because no one else was questioning it, I assumed they were real

[drowsy plank]

yeah i think he's a troll

but ive got a final in 30 so im gonna have to let other mods deal with him

[prisma sedge]

Makes sense honestly, since they're a new user

[gilded citrus]

I think people were just
Ignoring them

I know i was

[kindred fractal]

@severe sparrow I disagree, I say make all melee boomerangs rogue.

[prisma sedge]

The wooden boomarang shall be granted a stealth strike

Or wait, even better...thorn chakram

[errant wren]

thorn chakram stealth strike acts like plantera spike ball thing

[keen zodiac]

i forgot what the blunder booster is tbh

[indigo yacht]

i think this might be an oversight tbh

but I'll wait to hear from a dev

[frail fox]

Think this is happening next update

Cit did it or something

[magic sierra]

a year ago wha??

[oblique birch]

it's for the next update

[severe sparrow]

what on earth is a ghost bracelet

[indigo yacht]

frog leg

[severe sparrow]

what

[keen zodiac]

leg frog

[lucid marsh]

Rogue accessory boss drop #12 I think?

[dense locust]

not a boss drop

craft

[lucid marsh]

Oh

[dense locust]

also I'm pretty sure i can only think of a single rogue acc boss drop

[crude geode]

sand cloak and that one ravager item

[frail fox]

Not sure what the Ravager one is supposed to be because there’s Corpus Avertor which is a weapon

Spectral Veil is one

And the Evil2 gloves

[dense locust]

so thats like, 3 and a half

[lucid marsh]

Maybe I was thinking of other things that aren't boss drops

[dense locust]

bandit

[lucid marsh]

Right

I thought it might be that

[idle dagger]

there's one for desert and aquatic scourge

[crude geode]

I may be stupid

[nimble totem]

#suggestions-posting message they're... the later boomerangs are rogue weapons. There's plenty of boomerangs

[indigo yacht]

hence the emphasis on melee boomerangs

[half imp]

we have an entire line of melee boomerangs tbf

[frail fox]

Damn I just realized, the entire melee boomerang section (at least on the Weapons page) on the wiki is probably gonna get cut next update unless it’s adjusted

[half imp]

?

Why

[frail fox]

There’s only 2

And they’re Triactis and Seeking Scorcher, which are both getting reworked to not function like traditional boomerangs, which I assume is the criteria

[distant gyro]

yeah every "boomerang" will now only return to the player on a condition, or in pwnagehammer's case the condition is never

[half imp]

oh true

[frail fox]

I also like how this suggestion completely ignores vanilla boomerangs, which there are plenty for you to use, like it’s Cal’s job to add their own weapons for each subclass throughout the entire game

I mean I guess it did in the past (and still does to an extent) but that won’t be the case eventually

[distant gyro]

that's funny considering the reason the paladin hammer line is melee in the first place

[frail fox]

That makes sense

Also just thinking about it, there’s plenty of melee boomerangs counting vanilla

Just that excessive melee bloat in cal makes it seems like the subclass is unusable compared to something like yo-yos

[river lily]

Lyrics while fighting yharon and scal

Sometimes people like me dont know what the lyrics say untill searching them up, and lyrics make the song way more interesting. I feel like putting the lyrics of the songs would make the fights so much more cinematic, they could be added like in a place thats not annoying like bottom screen, and a bit transparent and of course there can be an option to disable/able

yo

i fw this...

it'd definitely be a nice touch to make the fights more cinematic

[exotic gyro]

So like the lyrics will be shown as caption

[whole tundra]

Well, I don't think it would work for SBC as it's outdated lorewise

[gilded citrus]

I dont mind sbc lyrics still being shown despite lore weirdness

[half imp]

The lyrics are still there

[gritty plaza]

I always forget sbc even has lyrics cause there's too much else to focus on, so I like this

[indigo yacht]

tbh i don't really care that sbc lyrics are outdated they still sound good

[drowsy plank]

i like astral underground more

[golden sonnet]

Triplets born, the throne awaits

[indigo yacht]

sorry cog this is a minor inconsistency so it'll get 900 stars in 2 hours

[drowsy plank]

[half imp]

it'll also be fixed by a dev before it gets to voting probably

[errant wren]

a seer warns of a deadly fate

anyways minor inconsistency so yeah instant 90 bajillion votes

[indigo yacht]

Fix Statigel Double Jump Precedence

The double jump granted by the Statigel set bonus is objectively and quantifiably worse than both the Sandstorm and Fart double jumps, however it is consumed before they are. Double jumps have an inherent hierarchical order from best to worst in which the player can use them, so it's illogical that Statigel should be above two better double jumps, when it should actually be around Blizzard (which it is about on par with).

[whole tundra]

That seems more like a bug report than a suggestion

[indigo yacht]

that's what i was thinking but doze said it was made this way intentionally?

i can see why sulphurous is before the others even though it's kinda bad

because it has that stupid bubble

but statigel has nothing

[vocal moth]

vlads lyric suggestion is a good idea

but i think it should be off by default

[half imp]

It has to be explicitly given a placement, and they gave it before all vanilla ones

[vocal moth]

i hate statigel armor

cause of the jump

[indigo yacht]

it's sad bc otherwise the mobility would be super good

[vocal moth]

yeah

i jus use other armor

like necro or molten

[indigo yacht]

i use aerospec because it also has great mobility

[idle dagger]

I use statigel alongside bundle of balloons

[vocal moth]

Aerospecs good

[vocal moth]

it lowk nerfs it

[idle dagger]

I forget how the statigel jump feels

[vocal moth]

its bad

[indigo yacht]

it's very similar to blizzard

[idle dagger]

I’ll test it out again next playthrough probably

honestly if there’s something I wish it’s that I didn’t use statigel armour for one fight and then made a new set of armour

I guess that’s just a lot of armour in this game though

[indigo yacht]

play spam rogue!

[vocal moth]

spam rogue

stealth better

[indigo yacht]

then you get to use it for like 5 boss fights or something

because rogue has no armor

[vocal moth]

yeah but still

sulphur better

me and u twinnin fr

[dense locust]

the funny

[idle dagger]

This is almost certainly a non issue but I’m bored and this slightly irks me whenever I think about it

It’s also, I presume, a very very easy change to make

[tepid crown]

considering grav globes rework next update, this will technically be needed if u dont want to be constantly making calcium pots

[indigo yacht]

strongest ninja

[novel belfry]

calcium pots are losing fall damage iirc

it’s getting swapped out with partial kb resistance

[crude geode]

What

[idle dagger]

I can call him leader of the onyx kinsmen if that’s better lol

[novel belfry]

so next update you will want fall damage immunity from somewhere

[crude geode]

Partial kb resistance? That sounds awful

[indigo yacht]

i dont know what that is tbh

[idle dagger]

The ninja group 👍

[novel belfry]

I mean it makes sense in early pre hm

[indigo yacht]

depends on how it actually works

[dense locust]

me when the early game potion does early game things and isnt "here have more stats than any accessory could give you for free"

[crude geode]

[indigo yacht]

it should give full kb immunity but only on every other hit

🙏

[crude geode]

[indigo yacht]

make me a developer and i will (not) do this (i dont know how)

actually i could probably figure it out in like an hour

[dense locust]

every time you get hit have it toggle the cobalt shield effect

shrimple

(I only know enough code to read it)

[tepid crown]

i forgor

so ye this will be even more needed when next update comes round

[indigo yacht]

assuming you mean to say that people will use globe as their sole movement accessory (which i doubt), it literally has the ability to flip gravity

just double tap space quickly a bit before landing

it'd be a convenience but hardly a necessity

[dense locust]

I mean it does increase wingless mobility "slightly"

and doze was definitely describing it as a wing alternate

[indigo yacht]

32% jump speed, 50% fall speed, and some sort of double jump, I'd say that's more than just slightly

i just

that would pair way better with wings or whatever so I don't see a reason not to use other mobility accessories as well

[echo leaf]

I’m totally down with it

Knockback immunity is kinda mandatory at some point so a way to make going without it less painful sounds great

[tepid crown]

the wingless thing is literal

[half imp]

the wingless mobility is that your horizontal max speed is raised when in the air

it's floored to a specific value, slower than wings of the tier

technically it's not wingless (it would work on slow wings like Angel) but it's practically wingless and I didn't have a better way to explain it

[half imp]

Yes, that's normal

however, it does become more effective when used solo

[tepid crown]

run speed but for air mobility essentially

[half imp]

the jump has higher vertical accel and the thing sbove

[half imp]

yes

it's just air run speed essentially

[tepid crown]

i understand why

but

why

[oblique birch]

hey doze a while ago when you said summoner will have 13 slots with AL you weren't counting it with Summoning Potion and Bewitching Table right?

[half imp]

it was actually supposed to be 12

I think

But potion and table do not give slots in the rebalance branch

[oblique birch]

huh?

oh so they just give damage instead?

[half imp]

No

potion dows

Table is like 10% whip range

[oblique birch]

oh

so my max possible minion slots is still dependant on the potion 😔

[half imp]

no

[golden sonnet]

Potion gives damage

[half imp]

potion is damage

[golden sonnet]

No slot

[half imp]

It's like 10% to match Magic Power

[oblique birch]

ooohh oh I see I see

ye that's really nice!

I love not having to be dependent on the station and potion for more minion slots

🥹 👍

so the current plan is 12 maximum?

or is it the "in progress" current numbers

[devout rivet]

#suggestions-posting

[indigo yacht]

this doesn't really have reasoning

and a similar suggestion already passed

#suggestions-voting message

[half imp]

sort of

Shadowspec tier is just a thing that things

Auric tier will be 10, that's pretty set

[oblique birch]

HPU's summoner UI will still stay 15 max for each color tier correct? I think it'll look kinda unsatisfying because knowing that we'll never be able to fill the entire first color tier in base Calamity (because I remember that's what the previous plan was when some devs talking about it a while back in spoiler talk)

[half imp]

yeah

[oblique birch]

ok

[half imp]

I personally would much rather do 15 max

but it was decided before I was dev

[oblique birch]

doze you should add another dev item that give +3 more minion slots for OCD players

[half imp]

you will probably eventually be able to hit the 15

[oblique birch]

yippie

nice to hear that

[half imp]

in fact demonshade might let you hit 15 right now in the branch

[indigo yacht]

what does 15 have to do with ocd

[oblique birch]

color tier for HPU's UI

each tier has 15 dots for 15 slots

[indigo yacht]

i don't think that's how ocd works

anyways if 12 is the max why not reduce it to 12 assuming the ui is for calamity specifically

that seems reasonable to me

[oblique birch]

idk that's why I asked if HPU's UI will stay at 15

but Doze just said Demonshade might reach 15 so... ye that might be it

[royal tapir]

@idle dagger This happened already

[tepid crown]

@inland saddle uhh i think the bots still dead?

[crude geode]

Nearly a week without bot

[indigo yacht]

voting is going to be absolutely flooded

[vocal moth]

not sure if my suggestion works

cause idk if i can do wiki suggestions

[novel belfry]

if I didn’t get so cocky I’d post an image of the log-covered lake nearby Mt St. Helens and title it “suggestion-voting for nearly a week”

[novel belfry]

talk about them in #wiki-discussion not #suggestions-posting

[dense locust]

#1277192135640088586 , actually

[vocal moth]

fair should i delete it

[half imp]

yeah

[vocal moth]

Alr

[half imp]

but while we're here

[vocal moth]

while

[tepid crown]

nice forwarding doze

[half imp]

Shhh

[idle dagger]

It has alongside the other statis changes? Great, then!

[vocal moth]

it was good for twins

i was playin on infernum too

[dense locust]

2023

[half imp]

has it been changed

it was the newest thing that came up in a search

[dense locust]

because the one for this update is misspelt

[tepid crown]

if it was from december 23 then no

i mean unless

[half imp]

they were both C so

[tepid crown]

u count the homing change

[vocal moth]

also why the hell are palladium javelins so op

i mean they are crazy good

i never realized how good rogue was

i always hated on it

[fleet grotto]

Do They Know?

[vocal moth]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[pure verge]

someone may just have to put the future content doc in the pins for either the suggestion posting channel or this channel
like, yeah, obviously the devs are planning to add whips to cal, in the meantime, either use unofficial cal whips or Catalyst

[severe sparrow]

I imagine the mods will just mark that with a flag or exclamation point..

[frail mantle]

iunno if it's explicitly disallowed but @austere rain yeah this is already planned

in fact i think one might be coming next update? not too sure about that one might be wrong

[humble scarab]

not auric

i meant the pre hm

[frail mantle]

almost the same

[humble scarab]

aerialite

[austere rain]

Alright ty, haven’t seen it be mentioned in the upcoming update (from what i’ve seen) but will look into

[frail mantle]

the devs are keenly aware of the lack of new whips, but they want to tune down summoner as a whole balance wise before they dare add any more whips

[humble scarab]

ye

summoner on its own is op

[severe sparrow]

summoner's DPS in endgame is utterly absurd

not to forget that their Auric has a built in revive

along with a very strong stat stick accessory

[fleet grotto]

summoners dps for almost the whole game is utterly absurd

[pure verge]

thank the fact that cal summoner is still balanced as if whips don't exist

[indigo yacht]

in sso you'll be able to just shimmer cycle the informational accessories

so if you get one you can just buy three and shimmer two of them

[pure verge]

wait you can do that

[indigo yacht]

in sso

[pure verge]

ohhh

that's helpful

[indigo yacht]

i kinda prefer this method over shimmer cycling but it's still annoying and one of them is already in the game

[half imp]

@pure verge we already adjusted the multiplayer scaling for the next update. It's more intense than vanilla in 1 and 2 player but the same as vanilla in 3+ players

[pure verge]

fucking thank you

[cold peak]

what's sso

[pure verge]

sunken sea overhaul

[cold peak]

oh

[pure verge]

that's the name of the next update

[cold peak]

Alrighty

[dense locust]

"oh hey someone's talking in discussion"

wave of chats lighting up
"nevermind"

[drowsy plank]

so should i flag the suggestion or wait til it's in voting or what?

[humble scarab]

i hate when that happens

[inland saddle]

Discord lying like usual

[tepid crown]

discord is peak ngl

great application with ZERO flaws

[inland saddle]

It says it's alive now

I suppose we will see

Wait does this work here I forgor

!t

Nope cool

[errant cradle]

huh

so thats why i got a bunch of notfis just now

thought there was another spam bot lmao

[tepid crown]

everything just got sent at once

😭

[humble scarab]

atleast it got sent

[spice stream]

suggestion bot became a spam bot

[oblique birch]

suggestions fighting to death in this one

[whole tundra]

rest in peace the chances of the higher ones

[spice stream]

truly

[half imp]

Honestly we need a reaction for "already done" in voting

[hearty yew]

holy hell what happened here

[half imp]

Suggestion Bot was dead and so now it played catch up

[hearty yew]

There's a dupe about mage accs

Dunno how we want to handle that

This is very awkward because really we just sent a good 14 suggestions to their graves for no reason

[dense locust]

ehh?
the way the system works the amount of these that reach dev probably wont change that much

[drowsy plank]

do you mean in posting? because already done in voting is just 🏁

[half imp]

Yes

My vad

[grave zinc]

@serene tendon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove the Feller of Evergreens]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[royal tapir]

I have no numbers to back myself up but I really feel like something about Feller of Evergreens should go in the frequently suggested area

[drowsy plank]

@bitter hawk this is way too much work and has no reasoning

im also pretty sure the multiple polterghast names are going to die soon anyway

[bitter hawk]

No reasoning?

[drowsy plank]

yeah your reasoning sums up to a single subjective point that it "have so little attacks"

that doesn't mean anything, and, arguably, actively counteracts your point

would splitting polterghast into two bosses not give them even less attacks to work with individually?

[bitter hawk]

I mean yeah what am I playing calamity for if not the bosses?

[drowsy plank]

it already has the clone so im really not sure what you're trying to do here

that doesn't mean anything

what does "so little attacks" actually mean

[bitter hawk]

Bro if you like running away from his dashes and nothing else that's your thing why are you giving me a hard time

[errant cradle]

Regardless of how you feel about the boss we have rules here that need to be followed when creating suggestions

You were told what rules your suggestion broke which is why it's been flagged

[bitter hawk]

That i didn't know

[errant cradle]

I suggest you read the rule document then

It's pinned in #suggestions-posting

[drowsy plank]

i really cant even tell what this suggestion wants still

[half imp]

... Everything else it adds? It adds multiple biomes, for example

we're explicitly working to make the non boss sections of the game better currently

(not that we won't improve bosses too)

[last shard]

Sulfurous Ocean is very beautiful and quite fun and Sunken Sea is also just a beautiful thing as a whole

Plus what feels like actually fun early game summoner tools

[bitter hawk]

I mean yeah, those are fun, but progression is all about bosses you can't deny that, you always prepare for the next boss

[half imp]

bosses progress, but that doesn't mean the reason you play is for the bosses

[last shard]

Not always- One of my biggest fave activities is just building. I'm not great at it but it's a lot more fun than the boss fights to me lol

[half imp]

You could play for the weapons, biomes, building options, etc

[drowsy plank]

this is such a random tangent anyway

[half imp]

but yeah

[errant cradle]

If they're playing for the boss fights they can play for the boss fights, nothing wrong with that

[half imp]

There's no issue, but it's not the only way to play

[last shard]

Agreed, it's just not the only way or reason

[bitter hawk]

I like exploration as much as everyone i am telling you that it is how i see it, you're not wrong and i am not, my suggestion is valid

[drowsy plank]

why people play calamity aside, i still dont know what this suggestion is asking for

it's not

[half imp]

is the point of the suggestion to give Polterghast more ambiance before the fight?

[drowsy plank]

can you actually explain what exactly you want out of this? what does "splitting the boss" actually mean?

[last shard]

How would you "add a background to the dungeon where he can stalk you" if most/all of the Dungeon itself is behind naturally-built walls anyway?

[errant cradle]

That's an impossible task unless we change how the Dungeon generates, yes

[drowsy plank]

i guess like, maybe if ur in the cavern later sometimes there's chunks with no walls outside of the dungeon, and maybe you could put stuff there?

i dunno why you'd do that tho it would barely be visible

lmao

[half imp]

polterghast working like dread emmi would be cool but idk how realistic that would be

[last shard]

Maybe like Aquatic Scourge where it can just passively float around at a steady 50-block range from the player or something and just sit there?

[errant cradle]

That is something we could do yes

Would be much easier to do now that we have stable pathfinding too

[half imp]

yeah that's my thought, have polter shown occasionally in the dungeon at the edges of your vision

[drowsy plank]

these are all very cool ideas but it still doesn't explain what "Make polterghast have two versions" actually means lmao

[half imp]

yeah

[drowsy plank]

i wanna know what varrani was trying to say with that

[errant cradle]

I think they're going to explain that

they've been typing for a while

[bitter hawk]

Guys I am not suggestion this in everyone's name, it's called a suggestion like it or not I justvwanted to share a thought with the devs that's it

[half imp]

We literally don't understand what you're actually suggesting is the thing

what does "make polterghast have two versions" mean. A non boss version and a boss version?

[bitter hawk]

Oh i meant like maybe a altar where you either place an ectoplasm or a necroplasm, i didn't specify just to leave room for more ideas

[drowsy plank]

??????????????????????????

i mean yeah that would be cool but how the fuck did you get to an altar from "make polter have two versions"

[half imp]

oh

Like the altar spawns the two versions

based on which plasm you use

[drowsy plank]

ok

lmfao awesome

[half imp]

what is the point of the two versions? What's the difference?

[bitter hawk]

Yeah similiar to providence where there's the yellow and the blue one, but this one is just optional

[umbral gazelle]

two color?

[last shard]

Wasn't the original statement about them having too few attacks as well?

[drowsy plank]

yes

[half imp]

I didn't see it before the edit

no idea

[drowsy plank]

honestly an altar in the forsaken archives would be way more interesting than the stupid beacon we have rn

[drowsy plank]

it hasn't been edited they're talking about "Seeing polterghast have so little attacks"

[half imp]

polter spawn method will change with the eventual rework plans

[last shard]

So like, the second version would be like a far more aggressive version of the boss with added attacks?

[half imp]

oh

[oblique birch]

so you mean like a buffed up Polterghast

[drowsy plank]

yeah i imagine any big changes to polter will be saved for after the resprite and rework

actually is there a polter resprite in the works rn? i cant remember if that was pre-22 or not

[indigo yacht]

why are there two identical suggestions about mage accessories that made it to voting

[dense locust]

emmi's kind of do not function in a game like terraria
it would be pretty funny though

[drowsy plank]

bot go very fast once we turned it back on and no one noticed

[indigo yacht]

ah

[tepid crown]

yes

[oblique birch]

Triangle is working on a resprite

[drowsy plank]

cool and good

[tepid crown]

triangles working on it

[indigo yacht]

i remember seeing the second one when it was posted and thinking "didn't i just see this?" but i forgot to check above and only looked in voting lol

[drowsy plank]

my goat 🙏

[half imp]

just let me cook trust

[indigo yacht]

love how the reasoning for the suspicious scrap suggestion is basically "this resource is completely useless"

[last shard]

It is

[indigo yacht]

that's not helping your argument to make it renewable

[drowsy plank]

anyway this suggestion is still invalid because adding a nighttime provi to polter would be a ton of extra work without much of a reason. like at least provi has had it for a while and the new spawn method for her amped up form is neat, but polter doesn't have a lore reason to have two forms and also doesn't have the AI for it + getting reworked soon so lol

[last shard]

It's literally my frustration with being basically a decorative item for Lab Turrets that is just... non-renewable?

[drowsy plank]

i think their main point is

[dense locust]

the only way I could see it working is if it was like an abyss thing ngl
since at least down there you would actually have ways of avoiding it

[drowsy plank]

literally nothing would break if you made it renewable

[last shard]

Or at least if it's not going to be renewable, making it so there's a reason there's so little

[indigo yacht]

it definitely should be renewable! I'm just saying that arguing "this item does absolutely nothing so there should be a way to get more of it" isn't very helpful

[drowsy plank]

honestly i could go either way on it

the fact that scrap was originally the SHPC mcguffin and was then just. randomly thrown into another recipe makes it very weird

like it was supposed to be the big item you built into this very powerful weapon but now it's just the umpteenth crafting material

it's very weird

[last shard]

It does do something, it makes Lab Turrets. If by Extraction like I originally hoped, at like a 0.1% chance or so, then it would make it so Laboratory-style builds can get all their relevant parts from the same resource of power cells

Which seems a fair trade off due to the decently slow make time of them

[indigo yacht]

ok but you repeatedly mention that the turrets it makes are "likely worse than any alternatives"

[bitter hawk]

Yes thank you, i thought that if necroplasm is aquired later it would be cool to have a rematch later, that would require polt to be sent back pre moonlord

Note that this is a seperate thought!

[last shard]

Yes. This is so there's no concern about a fully self-sufficient source causing an overflow of turret usage from early Planetoid access mucking up exploration

[drowsy plank]

boss rematches 🤮

[bitter hawk]

Broo why are you hating for no reason

[drowsy plank]

it's another thing calamity is actively working to remove

[last shard]

Unless we made like, Lab Turrets really really good for their limited item cost

But then it'd be too useful to be a decorative

[drowsy plank]

the only alt fight that's any good is provi

[indigo yacht]

nobody uses turrets anyways, but even then it wouldn't be practical from extractination
you'd need a shit ton of batteries

[drowsy plank]

ravager rematch is weird and annoying and stuff like yharon rematch and bloodstone boss rematch sucked

[indigo yacht]

true

[drowsy plank]

oh right and the fuckin uhhh

future bosses

also bad 👍

like it's a neat idea but there was just no actual effort put into like

any of it

cal has enough bosses

[indigo yacht]

weren't they basically just the current fights except way worse thanks to incessant projectile spam

[drowsy plank]

yes

[oblique birch]

this Polterghast suggestion won't likely become real because the boss is already planned to get resprited and reworked (already in progress), basically a complete overhaul and refighting a boss is also a concept that Calamity is trying to move away from

[last shard]

Right! For that you could even just use Onyx turrets at the same schematic level, so it'd only be useful for people who like to stay in Pre-HM basically

[drowsy plank]

^

[last shard]

But I think all that can be said about the Lab variant turrets has already been said. I wish those things got more love...

[bitter hawk]

repeating the bosses for loot sucks but if it's like providence's(to get the profaned soul crystal) I would like it

Not suggestion!!

[drowsy plank]

moonlight provi isn't how you get psc

[indigo yacht]

night providence is just a well-executed, harder version of normal providence

[bitter hawk]

Broooooo, who said moonlight

[drowsy plank]

p much!

that's what it's called (rn at least)

[bitter hawk]

I said rematch

[drowsy plank]

??

you're talking about the blue one

yes?

there is no providence rematch, there's just an alternative harder fight

[bitter hawk]

No you said this so

[dense locust]

hey yknow there used to be a mode that was advertised as being meant for rematches

[drowsy plank]

[dense locust]

I wonder what happened to it

[drowsy plank]

malice jumpscare

[indigo yacht]

good riddance

[drowsy plank]

yes i hate boss rematches, and providence doesn't have one, she has an alternate form

i dont know what your point is

[last shard]

I dunno, but I'd hate to have to see a rushed version of boss matches

[drowsy plank]

we still have one it's called boss rush

[indigo yacht]

fighting night providence awards you nothing except dye and a fun time

[bitter hawk]

Have a good day man

[indigo yacht]

nobody comment on that

[half imp]

I mean

You generally do get gie

Die

many times

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[indigo yacht]

💔

[drowsy plank]

not if you don't have a skill issue

[indigo yacht]

SO TRUE

[half imp]

not if you click godmode in journey menu

[drowsy plank]

also ture

[last shard]

Also it's not even that, in a sense- That one weapon has two Macguffins anyway

[drowsy plank]

true but one is guarnteed

[last shard]

One of which is way more fitting to be one due to visuals and a guaranteed find, in a sense, than 4 randomly found chunks of suspicious scrap that visually appears to be closer to the strange circuits/plating

So I don't even think it'd hurt the vibes of that either

This scrap is as wanted as a tax audit at a funeral rn v_v

[indigo yacht]

make arcane give +2000 max health

[drowsy plank]

peak

[crude geode]

True

[tepid crown]

finally

arcane is balanced

[last shard]

This actually makes me wonder

Would it be better to just suggest removing it?

[indigo yacht]

remove what

[drowsy plank]

🔥🖊️

[last shard]

Like, either removing the Sus Scrap from the recipe or from the game

Since it has such little value

[indigo yacht]

well, shpc is a shell of its former self and there are a grand total of 3 people to ever use any lab turrets at any point so I don't think anyone would care

yes i know lab turrets are useful no i dont care i won't be using them

[last shard]

Oh I wasn't saying they're useful

I just prefer using them for my non-town bases for the visual flair of home defense

The later ones might be maybe, but not lab

[indigo yacht]

the only person i actually know decently well who uses them swears up and down on their value

[last shard]

I mean, I can see it. Especially in really annoying areas like Hell or Space for bridge work

[errant wren]

lab turrets? i remember when labs spawned in with that one that fired in 8 directions at once

[last shard]

Yes- They have a craftable and a hostile version

The craftable ones are all neat novelty items except the most basic one, which uses a very limited world resource that's non-renewable

[errant wren]

oh so that one still exists in a way

[small bramble]

Big fan of the "make npc cal attack you when you attack her" suggestion LOL

[warm juniper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/908776991686295664/908997780331196446/goblino.gif

[indigo yacht]

many such cases!

[keen zodiac]

the dam has broken

#suggestions-voting shall be consumed

[indigo yacht]

ok ngl how did this get to voting
#suggestions-voting message