suggestions-discussion

[indigo yacht]

this accessory is so fucking stupid

[dense locust]

what did I say that was explode worthy

[kindred fractal]

hardly better than the hallowed rune

[crude geode]

The other artifacts at least have some niche (or were nerfed into the ground, Draconic) but this thing is quite literally just stat stick

[frail fox]

Kill all soul artifacts

[indigo yacht]

you mentioned cuffs.........

true

[oblique birch]

what? Toxic Heart just got reworked last year

[crude geode]

Not the worst idea

[dense locust]

cuffs are cool and good
I will die on this hill

[crude geode]

But also give eldritch a mage niche

[severe sparrow]

it isnt bad, necessarily

just niche

[indigo yacht]

that's not actually what i meant this time

[kindred fractal]

its bad moulten, face it

[oblique birch]

ye because not every accessories need to be a must have in every builds that has ever existed?

[crude geode]

^^^^

[oblique birch]

it does its job well

[kindred fractal]

what is we took a pre boss sentry and slapped it on an accesory

[dense locust]

asa: literally only does anything on a singular (mediocre) summon
dsa: nohitter acc lmao
esa: why
psa: stat stick that primarilly benefits summoner #7

[severe sparrow]

i do think that it would be cool if the Regenerator got a crafting recipe to it

[indigo yacht]

this is just not true at all it can be very very strong if you use it right

[dense locust]

it is like objectively a viable and good accessory

[indigo yacht]

wasn't it like 4k dps on its own against eol

[kindred fractal]

Toxic Heart? Are you serious?

[indigo yacht]

yes

[crude geode]

I think it would be cool if we removed recipes

[oblique birch]

it's a good accessory against regular enemies and DoTs

[severe sparrow]

what are those ones (besides Auric Soul and Phantiomic)

[dense locust]

dimentional soul artifact and profaned soul artifact

[severe sparrow]

yeah fair

[frail fox]

Oh I forgot psa that one is cool and can stay

[dense locust]

its donor anyway

lol

[frail fox]

Well

[indigo yacht]

of course it is

[frail fox]

It is staying then

[oblique birch]

it's a dev item in disguise 😨

[frail fox]

DSA removal would make some nohitters cry but just make other accessories not bad (looking at you rtn)

[crude geode]

all items are dev items, if you think about it

[indigo yacht]

i dislike dsa

it's such a fucking boring implementation of an inherently not awful concept

at least it's multiplicative instead of additive

[frail fox]

Your damage goes up 👍

[crude geode]

woahhhhhhh

imagine an accessory boosting your damage

wild

[dense locust]

crazy

[sleek turret]

tears up all your hearts are empty bone hearts

[frail fox]

Actually rare in Calamity

[tepid crown]

i think the only change dsa should get is that it killsu on equip and u get no damage increase

[indigo yacht]

true

[frail fox]

Welcome back LUL

[crude geode]

yeah I was gonna say

[olive saddle]

fair. i can probably reword it to be less cope-y later

[half imp]

Rework all soul artifacts*

[frail fox]

What even are they supposed to represent exactly

Ig the souls of the bosses but like

It’s just odd currently

Eldritch Soul Artifact be the worst one

PSA ~ Represents Provi well
DSA - Strong but reckless like DoG?
ASA - idk chicken nuggets
ESA - random bullshit go

[oblique birch]

sounds like Polterghast

random bullshit

[crude geode]

Isn’t it lunatic cultist’s

[frail mantle]

was

[crude geode]

What

[tepid crown]

it used to be an item for summoning lc future boss but when that was removed it was turned into an accessory thats not even related to him

[crude geode]

I mean. all of the other ones are still related to bosses.

even if it’s in a more loose way than Provi’s artifact

[tardy geyser]

I guess it makes sense that it buffs all classes a little bit due to cultist summoning the pillars

But it would be nice if it was a bit more than just a jack of all trades master of none

[half imp]

it's likely all of them besides PSA will be reworked at some point

maybe DSA can stay

ASA somehow needs a rework even worse than ESA

[tepid crown]

me when +3 minion slots but only when ur using up all ur other slots on this other minion

[half imp]

it just

why does it

ASA of all things should be all class

[tepid crown]

yeah

[dense locust]

asa should steal the revive from [redacted] tbh

[indigo yacht]

if kindle staff wasn't literally Filler then maybe it could be good

[tardy geyser]

have asa be a bone glove upgrade that throws auric landmines instead

[errant wren]

aurically rejected bones, you mean

[dense locust]

holy shit

[thin hazel]

So peak

[olive saddle]

unfortunately curse of void of extinction you gain 1.2x damage and the landmines deal 2 damagw

[half imp]

auric bone glove

honestly

ASA should double your HP

and make you able to be crit

[olive saddle]

the thing i like about the soul artifacts is that they're completely blank slates and have no real theme so theres endless possible reworks

[indigo yacht]

first thing i do in sso will be sacrificing your developer item

[indigo yacht]

aka 'make completely new and different item just with the same name'

[frail fox]

Explodes you

[alpine dawn]

Dog is teleporting you into the distortion the moment you lose hp

[frail fox]

Live in the distortion

[coral carbon]

be able to survive in the distortion

[glad tundra]

Can I survive 100 days in Terraria Calamity Mod's Distortion Dimension?

[golden sonnet]

No, I will make sure of it

[half imp]

Distortion Corruption timer

[gilded citrus]

If you stay there for 99.9999 days you distort and die instantly

[tepid crown]

"CAN I SURVIVE ONE HUNDRED DAYS IN THE DISTORTION (GONE WRONG?! BOYFRIEND LEFT!!)" from SilvasStrongest1823

[echo leaf]

the fucking clickbait

that'd hurt me

[gilded citrus]

And then the tags are just
Calamity mod, wrath of the gods, noxus, nameless deity, calamity overhaul, avatar of emptiness, mod of redemption

[golden sonnet]

You forgot "full movie"

[dense locust]

starlight river too

[prisma sedge]

I like the implication that there was already a bunch of SilvasStrongest's

[errant wren]

xX_YharimProGaming_Xx

[dense locust]

1823 is just their birth year you see

[glad tundra]

😨

[prisma sedge]

I know this talk happened a bit ago, but scrolling back to it...I wonder if the Distortion corruption thing would actually be a good idea? Because on one hand, it could be interesting to have to work around depending on how it'd be implemented, but on the other hand, I'm not sure if basically a world-spanning drowning effect would really fit in a game like Terraria

[indigo yacht]

doesnt wotg do something kinda similar

ish

[tiny minnow]

I BECAME A DRAGON AND GOT INTO THE DRAGON AERIE!!1!

[alpine dawn]

Distortion guardian

[frail fox]

Noxus

[indigo yacht]

raesh npc

[sleek turret]

peak????

[gilded citrus]

Theres already a planned rework and resprite iirc

[whole tundra]

I really like this suggestion but it breaks the Specific Rework Suggestion and Suggestions to add more references to other media rules

[indigo yacht]

i was going to say

lowkey actually good but way too specific

[gilded citrus]

Yeah its pretty neat
Sadly too soecific and may contradict already existing plans

[drowsy plank]

@golden nimbus SRS; please read the rules document in the pins

[golden nimbus]

Oh okay my bad

[prisma sedge]

Ah shoot, I was thinking it really had a chance 😔

[drowsy plank]

sad i know but this is way too specific

it's really neat but bare minimum it needs to be reworded and needs actual reasoning beyond "it would be cool"

[prisma sedge]

Oh yeah, fair! I wasn't sure if it'd get through either, I just thought it had a chance to get to voting

[drowsy plank]

mentioning phase 1 being underwhelming and using the idea as an idea rather than the core of the suggestion would probably work

uhhhhhhhh

@half imp you i think
can i mark this as 🏁 or whatever;
#suggestions-voting message

think i remember hearing that there were already plans for ranger accessories

[prisma sedge]

I'm of two minds when it comes to the first phase being lackluster, because...yeah, it kind of is, but that also feels a bit on-brand for the stage it's at, difficult but not particularly complicated

[golden nimbus]

I would like to add, this was something that I thought about late at night sleep deprived and it came to me lmao

I think it's neat but I think I was too guns blazing regarding my suggestion without reading anything before I did lol

[drowsy plank]

fair

[golden nimbus]

Plus could be a funny nod to Dead Space, if it came to fruition

I did know about the resprite though, didn't realize if it was getting changes or not before I said my piece lol

[grave zinc]

@severe sparrow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add more Ranger accessories throughout the game.]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[half imp]

I got you

[crude geode]

[drowsy plank]

thanks

[frail fox]

Thank you for adding every new Ranger accessory doze

[oblique birch]

doze will add 100+ Ranger accs to Calamity Mod

[whole tundra]

New ranger accessories coming in 207X

[severe sparrow]

uh

i didnt expect that

ummmm

i mean

i appreciate it

a lot

(what do i do with this now)

[frail fox]

Now do the exact same suggestion but for mage

[prisma sedge]

Revel in your victory

[crude geode]

True

Also happy 1 month to me being Jane bast

[severe sparrow]

uhhh

i mean

sure

[severe sparrow]

i mean i could
but i have a different idea

you know Radiators? Those little sea slugs in acid rain?

i think they should have a circle telling you where their radius affects you

on an unrelated note

i beat Infernum crabulon

[prisma sedge]

They have an AoE effect? I never even knew that

[severe sparrow]

yeah

[frail fox]

Make 500 boss suggestions

[severe sparrow]

when you are in the area

you get hit by debuffs

[errant wren]

yeah they radiate it

[prisma sedge]

Damn, I never even noticed that!

Wait, I basically already said that

[errant wren]

you're doing great, jennifer rogue

[golden sonnet]

I knew about this, but had literally zero clue they had a light pet

I refuse to believe this is a real item

[errant wren]

wdym it's literally required for progression

[prisma sedge]

Not if you use CalVan!

[errant wren]

i remember back when it was needed for Fargo's DLC soul of eternity

[keen zodiac]

this won't matter bc radiators are being demoted to critter in acid rain update

[errant cradle]

The summon item being locked behind the boss is so that it's more convenient to farm the boss after you've already beaten it legit once. It's in the same vein as Starcore and Ceremonial Urn

I do suppose trying to get Cysts/Tumors to spawn can be annoying so this does have merit to it, but I don't agree with making the summon items simply craftable early than their intended to. That feels like it would just make their intended summon method obsolete very quickly. I also do personally prefer bosses having unique summoning methods. I'm unsure about others on the team but I know I've seen quite a few people here express that same opinion as well

It'd be good for us to improve how Cysts/Tumors spawn so that the process is less tedious, but just making these summons craftable earlier than their supposed to be is something I don't agree with

[crude geode]

Yeah this feels like it would make cysts/tumors not matter in the slightest outside of jump scaring newbies

[golden sonnet]

this yeah, making the item before the boss and way more convinient just makes the "alternate" and intended summon method entirely overshadowed

[short warren]

They still would matter if you wanted to fight the bosses earlier than usual

I just want a way to do the bosses instead of numbingly waiting for the shit to spawn

(I've also been doing nohits on HM and uh, I utterly hate having an entourage of enemies just appear and mess with me while doing attempts)

[crude geode]

mhm

[short warren]

(No I will not cheat in the Evil 2 summons, I'm keeping my playthrough a clean one)

[crude geode]

You can ask for a way to make it more consistent, that would be fine. But I would not vote for a suggestion to gimp the usefulness of the unique summon method

[short warren]

The logic I'm going off of is the same as like
Breaking shadow orbs or having the mechs show up randomly at night

You have the natural method of them appearing and the summon to consistently get them

It's also why I specifically want the Evil 2 summons locked behind the EoW / BoC

[crude geode]

Former is completely unreasonable considering there’s a limited number of shadow orbs and you could softlock yourself out of a boss fight
Latter is more applicable, but still exaggerating the problem

[short warren]

So that the tumors still matter

[crude geode]

Most players are going to fight the bosses in order. It will only really matter for a small percentage of the player base, and I’d rather that not be the case for a unique summoning method

[oblique birch]

Shadow Orbs and Crimson Hearts are limited, natural bosses spawning at night happens once per day, also the chance is 10% per "day"

[crude geode]

Again, the devs agree with you that it can be tedious. It’s just going a bit too far considering how easy it would be to just reduce it to “make cysts/tumors easier to find, especially post EoW or BoC”

[short warren]

I see

[tepid crown]

cysts n tumours alr have a spawn chance increase post evil 1

[crude geode]

Funny

[oblique birch]

clearly the chance needs to be x10 😨

[golden sonnet]

they are super common, especially if you have a creature detector

from my experience you cant exist in the biome for like 5 seconds without one

[tepid crown]

i was gonna ask wat if we reduced their chance post evil 2

[oblique birch]

what if instead of spawning offscreen they just spawn on top of you so the player won't miss

[tepid crown]

but theyre alr reduced in hm

[short warren]

Okay but Terraria rng is funny in the sense that you'll never find it when you are actively looking for it

[tepid crown]

n wat if they have 10 hp and the boss spawns more of them during the fight

[golden sonnet]

good idea, if only...

[oblique birch]

make Cysts have a spawning animation and let them spawn on top of you

[tepid crown]

i saw that message before it was deleted...

not looking good just based off the title...

[errant cradle]

Oh that is true actually

The most I can see happening then is maybe improving the spawning algorithm so that they only spawn on flat areas on the surface

[prisma sedge]

I could be misremembering the specifics, but I think there was one time when I killed a tumor to fight Hive Mind, then as I was fighting it, I killed two more and had to fight more

[errant cradle]

Corruption has pretty shitty generation sometimes with the pits and the Crimson, while more flat, you can possibly have one spawn in a cave if you get unlucky

[forest bobcat]

What was it?

[short warren]

Maybe like
An item or smth that causes a tumor to rise from the ground could be nice?
Idk, trying to play into the using the tumor thing since the recipe won't be changed

[golden sonnet]

GFB does that, the message was a reference to that

[golden sonnet]

It is all but guaranteed to be a SIS

[errant cradle]

I can bring it up in dev later along with some ideas I have in mind already

[prisma sedge]

The funny part is that it wasn't on GFB, they were just also chilling around before the boss spawned

[golden sonnet]

or a specific spot/shrine they spawn, idk

[golden sonnet]

there is a max of 1 in the world

[tepid crown]

a specific

shrine

[crude geode]

[prisma sedge]

Oh weird, I must be misremembering then

[oblique birch]

what I see is the frustration about those often comes from that they spawn offscreen and then despawn because the players can't find them, making them feel rarer than they actually are

[prisma sedge]

Oh yeaahh, kind of like ???s

[golden sonnet]

??? has music and spawns in a small enough area that if you cant find it and let it despawn thats on you

[oblique birch]

having something similar to specific guarantee spawn structure (like Vernal Pass) or make a delay spawning animation for them (rising up from the ground like Dragon said) after your wakes would be nice no?

[golden sonnet]

cysts have neither of those

[tepid crown]

give cysts n tumours the goner sound effect from undertale

when they spawn

[errant wren]

make cysts able to spawn and stick to walls

[golden sonnet]

give cysts the goofy ah cnidrion thing where they just slowly swim at you through blocks

[errant wren]

better yet, snail ai

#suggestions-posting message amazing sugg

[drowsy plank]

@kind laurel specific item suggestion; please read the rules in the pins

[frail fox]

Mage

[kind laurel]

Oh. I read it over and didn't notice that.

I apologize

[oblique birch]

time wasted

[drowsy plank]

it's fine

[oblique birch]

poor guy

[drowsy plank]

i will probably delete this suggestion then because the nature of these kinds of suggestions is usually unsalvagable

[kind laurel]

okay

Made a broader version

[oblique birch]

more Magic Accs are also coming in the next update

[keen zodiac]

can we just remove rotten matter and blood samples please

[oblique birch]

they're already in progress

[drowsy plank]

@half imp lmao hi again we're getting more mage accessories too right
again just want to confirm with a dev before i go shooting suggestions down or flagging them if they do reach voting

[half imp]

I don't know what the plan is for mage

I do believe we are but I don't know for sure

dang all the accesory suggestions today

[frail fox]

Doze we’re sending you to the mines

[alpine dawn]

Cool ass stuff like turning into a mech and getting revived in an ice chamber to 99% everything

[indigo yacht]

@odd fractal where is it mentioned that dragonfolly is after guardians? because I've always been under the impression they were interchangeable, and also boss checklist doesn't count since its not calamity and has to put one before another regardless of intended progression

[half imp]

I am in the mines already

Yesterday I finished going through every single accessory tooltip to give them fancy debuffs

weapons are next

[oblique birch]

working ultra overtime

[indigo yacht]

no time to doze

[half imp]

today I worked on fixing vanilla stupidity

[oblique birch]

[half imp]

and learned how to shader

the two are tied

[frail fox]

We’re sending you to the Earth’s core

[oblique birch]

becoming god of shader

[half imp]

I also fixed movement yesterday

[frail fox]

Pretty cool work so far though

[frail fox]

Scary message

[tepid crown]

boss checklist and its consequences on terraria players

[frail fox]

What does calamity visuals mean

[indigo yacht]

[oblique birch]

no more clam

[half imp]

calamity visuals

[frail fox]

Dust

[half imp]

tomorrow I might rework an entire set of weapons just because

who knows

[indigo yacht]

unpredictable

[half imp]

I already did one set this week

[oblique birch]

wtf

one whole set?

[half imp]

yes

well

Except two of them

one is going to die probably

And the other someone else already did

[brittle panther]

wdym by a set, like a crafting tree?

[oblique birch]

the rework economy just keeps getting out of hand at insane pace

[half imp]

not a tree

like

[tepid crown]

a set of weapons

liketerra set

or cryonic set

[half imp]

^

[brittle panther]

Oh in that sense

[tepid crown]

something thematic tying them together

[half imp]

this was potentially the most forgettable set

at least to me

[tepid crown]

forbidden set?

[half imp]

Wait nevermind

Forbidden and Stratus exost

[tepid crown]

"nvm i forgot about that one"

[indigo yacht]

blows up boss checklist with mind
ma fuckin mod progression!!!

[half imp]

i need to write down my to do list

[tepid crown]

unholy core set?

[half imp]

unholy core?

[tepid crown]

yea

suevite stuff

[half imp]

Oh

Brimstone set

no

[tepid crown]

m

alright

forgettable...

astral bar??

[half imp]

I have the entire set a cool new shared gimmick similar to their old gimmick but cooler

[half imp]

I have my eye on astral next

[tepid crown]

dang !

[half imp]

including the armor and amulet

(deific just needs better on hit effects)

[tepid crown]

idk dragonfolly drops?

[north oracle]

the sets you actually forgot

[indigo yacht]

frog leg armor set

[tepid crown]

true !

the most forgettable set is the one u havent rememberd!

[half imp]

true

[tepid crown]

and since u worked on it it isnt the most forgettable

[half imp]

do you ever just remember fearmonger is an actual item set

[tepid crown]

OH

[oblique birch]

what?

[tepid crown]

2 weapons n one armour

[oblique birch]

is it not just an armor

[tepid crown]

corvids, fearmonger and endo hydra share visual similarities

[tepid crown]

yea

[half imp]

not just visual

Recipe too

[oblique birch]

I mean

nah I never smell the connection

[tepid crown]

gss/grand scale set?

[half imp]

They're explicitly an item set

[oblique birch]

didn't think those were a set

[brittle panther]

Was this the one you reworked or is that unrelated

[half imp]

Unrelated

[glass arch]

i mean doze has worked on fearmonger so

[brittle panther]

Hmmm... Perennial weapons?

[tepid crown]

nights set?? idk

[half imp]

Bloodstone

[tepid crown]

oh

i wouldnt call

bloodstone forgettable

[brittle panther]

What like blood boiler?

[tepid crown]

ye

[brittle panther]

Lacerator?

[tepid crown]

yea

[frail fox]

Don’t tell the claret cannon fans the bad news

[oblique birch]

Blood Boiler and Viscera already out of the oven

[north oracle]

I firmly believe this is the single most forgettable weapon in the mod ngl

[frail fox]

It’s absolutely up there

Alongside Galvanizing Glaive

[north oracle]

I always think it's removed or entirely made up till I Google it

[oblique birch]

the one that dies is surely Claret Cannon

no way it outlives Bloodsoaked Crasher

[frail fox]

Well rogue needs a weapon so yes

[tepid crown]

arterial assault

[oblique birch]

hey we need cool Bow

it can stay for a rework

[half imp]

Arterial got a rework yes

[oblique birch]

yeeee

[half imp]

Sanguine Flare rework isnpeak

just feels good

[oblique birch]

ye Ranged is like 3 weapons

[brittle panther]

Speaking of Bloodstone it feels like there should be like a building/furniture set for it

[oblique birch]

Claret must die

[half imp]

I mean I could make claret cool

but I really do not care

[tepid crown]

curse of sprites

it would be nice tho

[oblique birch]

#assets-needed

[half imp]

I need to join cart

I could do so much more if I had more assets

[oblique birch]

click the join button doze

no regrets

[brittle panther]

oh wait that's the other thing weird about Bloodstone, the armor is post-Polterghast but everything thing else is post-Provi

[half imp]

I did it

[half imp]

yeahh

[oblique birch]

because if they're not they have to compete with Stratus and Polterghast gears

which will be a whole lot of weapons in 1 spot

[half imp]

it makes sense it's just weird

[brittle panther]

Makes sense

[half imp]

have plans to fix it

Eventually

ravager rework my beloved

[oblique birch]

by demoting Bloodflare of course

[tepid crown]

that one ravager gif

[oblique birch]

until Polterghast has its own armor

it'll be true surely

[dense locust]

was this the weapon in question

[tepid crown]

i think its dragonblood disgorger

its the closest one to 200

[indigo yacht]

the original 200 was already a damage boost wasn't it

[oblique birch]

dragons no longer breath dust

is it real

[tepid crown]

it could also be an entirely different weapon

[tepid crown]

he says value so i dont think so

[lucid marsh]

That's funny

I remember a lot of the bloodstone weapons seeming extremely bad

But that was a long time ago

[indigo yacht]

80000% damage bonus

[frail fox]

Billions of weapons must die

[indigo yacht]

and nothing of value was lost

[frail fox]

Another purge soon…

[oblique birch]

-50 +100

exchange

[dense locust]

like, an eternal one?

[frail fox]

Eternal exch

[indigo yacht]

remove all calamity weapons. retier vanilla slop to fill in the gaps

wand of frost to post ml mage

[frail fox]

Tragic umbrella post-dog

[indigo yacht]

frozen daggerfish yharon meta

[dense locust]

frost daggerfish is a cryogen drop wdym

or actually

cryonic bars

1 bass 1 cryonic bar gets you 70 daggerfish

good luck

[indigo yacht]

every fish drains 0.2% ofthe boss' health

[frail fox]

Better obtainment than rn

[tardy geyser]

trimarang now takes miracle matter

[dense locust]

trimarang is already retiered in cal...

[half imp]

no

[tepid crown]

was i right?

[half imp]

disgorger and bloodsoaked's reworks are minor, just making them match the new bloodstone weapon gimmick

Sanguine Flare, Arterial Assault, The Mutilator, and Lacerator all got major changes

especially Flare

[tepid crown]

is it the remove life on use, gain life on hit gimmick on blood boiler?

[half imp]

no

it's lifesteal but in a never-before seen way (at least for calamity)

(i have no idea if it's been seen in other mods, but I've never seen it)

[tepid crown]

oh alr

[half imp]

anyway crossposting this to #calamity-update-talk because this is not spoiler chat

[viral ferry]

How can i improve this text?

Glowsticks can be equipped or right clicked to dance animation with glowsticks. Right click to cycle different dances, disables if not idle.

I am playing multiplayer and someone threw on a cool music box. I thought it would be fun to just break out a cool dance for the occasion. Shouldn't work if not near music boxes, imo. If equipable, glowsticks can change color by dyes.

Edit: Glowsticks can be equipped to dance animation with glowsticks, nighttime bloom effects if aesthetically viable, disables if not idle. Dyes change glowstick color.

I am playing multiplayer and someone threw on a cool music box. I thought it would be fun to just break out a cool dance for the occasion, or perhaps just around Deerclops.

Edit #3 concept: Craftable equipment: Party Glowsticks
Edit #4 concept: Throwable dyed glowsticks
Edit #5 concept: Right clicking glowsticks changes their colors
Edit #6 concept: Compatibility with DRG Flare Glowsticks mod.
(haven't tried, but I just read it's description after looking for any mods that might have already existed covering this basic coloring idea, none found.)

Consolidating all of this under one idea, non equipment, throwable crafted dyed glowsticks, dancing if right clicked.

Note: I am tired and may not submit this. I just felt like I enjoy seeing dyed glowsticks and the whole idea just jumped out at me. Considering that there must be many varieties of glowstick dancing such as Glowstringing, Freehand glowsticking, Liquid dancing, Techno dancing, Gloving, etc it all seems like too much, so a simple animation - well this is Terraria, I have to remind myself, the hands are just pixel blobs. I thought waving with them after raising up high and back down would be a start. It's just a a lot that needs to be simplified if executed to any extent, barring all this, just craftable colored versions is a great leap forward anyway.

[indigo yacht]

suggestions are usually for solving problems

so when you post one, you're looking at a problem and offering solutions

for example - "rogue has 4 hardmode armor sets. this sucks and we should add more, and here are a few possible examples"

I'm not sure if a dancing animation for glowsticks would be solving any problems present in calamity

[viral ferry]

It would be solving the problem of being unable to dance when cool music is playing.

[crude geode]

Make your own mod

[viral ferry]

I guess I can simplify the Party Glowstick idea. Just craft/dyes. No multiple versions of dance animations.

[grave zinc]

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[indigo yacht]

word?

[indigo yacht]

surely itll work this time

[drowsy plank]

i let that one in to show devs people really want it and that something should be considered in relation to shrines

[indigo yacht]

if it doesn't pass again I'll just make that fairy mod thing

or, maybe not fairies but something similar to make finding them more lenient

you don't need to be half a screen's length away or you'll completely miss it you just have to be in the general area and probably a tiny bit of rng

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-posting message Folly and Guardians are meant to be fought at the same tier. There is no real "intended" progression.

[gilded citrus]

Like the mech bosses they had to pick one to be below the other two and such despite functionally being same tier i think?

[whole tundra]

Calamity itself doesn't make an "intended" progression list. Outsiders do that so I really do not see any reason why this should be added

[gilded citrus]

Theres the bosses wiki page

[whole tundra]

Which is made by the community and not the actual devs themselves

Also I'm pretty sure that besides the Rune of Kos bosses, they just used Boss Checklist's list

[frail mantle]

There is

But it’s only a suggestion

[frail mantle]

Who do you think decided boss checklist’s order

[whole tundra]

Who made an intended progression that says "twins > destroyer > SPrime" when they're all balanced around being able to be fought first, second and third

[frail mantle]

That’s just cause BC is… well, a list

They had to make some kind of “intended” order

[vestal crater]

Petition to make bc have interchangeable bosses

[whole tundra]

True

[frail mantle]

Flowchart checklist

[crude geode]

There’s also always going to be an easiest boss

[frail mantle]

I’ve been sayin this

[whole tundra]

Just because the devs had to make something for Boss Checklist due to how it works, does not mean it is the only way to do the intended order

This image I made a while ago is way closer to the intended order

[vestal crater]

Yeah tho do maybe make it so brimmy is post one mech in some way

That’s only issue I can see

[whole tundra]

Well unless you have the HM rework off, you are not able to fight her pre mech 1 without using bugs so that should be self explanatory

I just really don't see the point of this suggestion as it's based on the dev's attempts to make a list full of interchangable bosses a straight line, for something that isn't even Calamity itself

[vestal crater]

Unfortunately most people would think that you can get mythril but doesn’t find it

Then they will go weep saying cal devs suck

[crude geode]

People already do that

[vestal crater]

Yes

But maybe doing that it will stop it slightly

[whole tundra]

I also just noticed how there's some inaccuracies in the post

1. The Dragonfolly's attacks deal more damage overall
2. While yes, the Dragonfolly has less HP, it's by little more than 11%, while it also spawns minions and is a single target. The Guardians can all be hit at the same time.
3. Exotic Pheromones is only placed at a lower rarity due to it being craftable Pre-Moonlord

[crude geode]

God, early hardmode and preboss are treated so differently it’s insane

[whole tundra]

There isn't an intended order ingame or on the steam page either
@odd fractal if you have comments about the "intended" progression on the wiki, that goes in #wiki-discussion and not in #suggestions-posting

[crude geode]

One of them is allowed to be an actual tier
The other has Calamity speedrunning to get it over with as soon as possible

[severe sparrow]

Rogue only has 2 accessories post ML but pre DoG

the Blunder Booster (alright, ig) and the Spectral Veil (who on earth uses this thing)

I was reading the Old Duke guides, and this idea came to me (since it recommended Dark Matter Sheath and Vampiric Talisman, both pre ML)

[fleet grotto]

dms is also busted so

[severe sparrow]

True (i also forgot about Moonstone Crown, but it is directly after ML so close enough)

[indigo yacht]

arent the endgame accessories already getting reworked

or are they just being resprited and renamed

[half imp]

resprite and maybe rename

well

resprite is also a maybe?

I don't think Nucleogenesis is getting a resprite or rename

[brittle panther]

Nucleogenesis just got a resprite

(and by "just" I mean like over a year ago but still recent)

[half imp]

yeah

exactly

[bitter hawk]

Hey this idea just popped but what if we had a new class: transformer
Different ritual lanterns would transform you into different creatures/machine that would have 2 or 3 attacks each being unique, imagine being a planterra nature beast that will cling to walls similar to the game (carrion) or maybe a exo mech or mini primordial worm, the ideas are limitless and I believe the main game has something like this( the bat and the rat are the ones that I have seen)
Soo what do you guys think ?

[frail mantle]

another new class isn't really something the devs want to do because of how much effort it'd be

balancing the vanilla classes is already a lot, and then they have rogue to contend with on top of allat

[vestal crater]

Yeah

[errant wren]

also i think thorium did something like that

[bitter hawk]

Yeah that's probably true

[vestal crater]

Like transformer is already those mounts turning you into animals but attacks which is vanilla

[gilded citrus]

Rogue is already kinda 2 classes aswell with stealth and spam im pretty sure

[frail mantle]

thorium has, like, three new classes if you count throwing doesn't it

[vestal crater]

And then thorium made something that’s exactly the same

[bitter hawk]

Really ? I never gave thoriom a try

[gilded citrus]

Thrower
Healer
Bard

[errant wren]

it's not really fleshed out as a class

[bitter hawk]

Oh

[vestal crater]

It’s part of summoner iirc

[errant wren]

but there are some "mounts" that you can use with an item for special attacks

[bitter hawk]

Oh yeah i think the vanilla has that too, like the wolf thing

[errant wren]

well, yeah

[vestal crater]

Yeah but doesn’t have its own attack

Also dinosaur and mouse in next update

I may be missing something

Idk tho

[bitter hawk]

Bat

[vestal crater]

Ah

[errant wren]

point is, that class idea has kind of already been done by thorium

[lilac ruin]

I think this is a really cool idea though!

perhaps some summon weapons that do that?

[golden sonnet]

there are already things that do this, it does not need to be a full class, and a full class has a lot of issues mentioned prior

profaned soul crystal, wulfrum armor, flamsteed ring, etc

[lilac ruin]

akin to the profaned soul artifact

indeed! i wholeheartedly agree that this shouldn't be a full class

however, adding more weapons/armor/accessories that do stuff like that would be cool!

like a weapon that gives you a shapeshifted "debuff" (just so it can't be removed easily and has a tradeoff) that makes it so right clicks do one attack and left clicks do another

[bitter hawk]

Exactly what I had in mind

I saw one before it was kind of a blue mech with murasama projectiles

[indigo yacht]

instead of adding a class we should remove a class

that class being ranger

[errant wren]

[indigo yacht]

we can keep coin gun though and give it to summoner because summoner is too weak and doesn't deal enough damage

[golden sonnet]

that is flamsteed ring

[lilac ruin]

Indeed

[hollow ridge]

it must stay

[gilded citrus]

Nuh

[indigo yacht]

what

[cinder karma]

what

[idle dagger]

Hm, do we know if the rogue accessory nanotech has any current plans related to changing it?

[frail mantle]

@cinder karma you have been told off for saying weird shit way too many times to be doing this

[cinder karma]

hey, language

i'm gonna snitch on you yk

[frail mantle]

i'm giving you one (1) chance to turn your brain back on before you're going in the crystal for a week

[indigo yacht]

warned role speedrun

[cinder karma]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-10131775219258044191

[golden sonnet]

I was about to give them a week before you handled it first, you are being more lenient than I would be tbh

[cinder karma]

sheesh

any spoilers tho raesh?

🙏

[golden sonnet]

#spoilers !

[cinder karma]

except for these😔

[idle dagger]

Fire Emoji Reaction

[cinder karma]

yk like in the old days when you guys would dump random shi in the spoilers talk

[golden sonnet]

#calamity-update-talk gets fun stuff too that isnt poseted in the big channel

[cinder karma]

exactly yep

[gilded citrus]

i could easily do that

I could just post the image in lore chat im pretty sure
They know which one
-# i wont i value my teeth and knees and the image perms

[golden sonnet]

On sight.

[cinder karma]

wait, you got image perm?

[gilded citrus]

Lore chat has image perms back yippee

[cinder karma]

oh nvm i can too

[frail mantle]

go somewhere that is Not a suggestions channel if you're gonna continue this convo

[cinder karma]

aight sure

[idle dagger]

I have a suggestion I’d like to repost about nanotech but I’m not sure if there’s plans for it already

[gilded citrus]

#suggestions-posting message
i may be wrong but aint elemental quiver getting changes

Its atleast getting a rename but unsure on resprite or rework

[golden sonnet]

it's planned to be reworked, but it's still a good bit away and nothing has been decided yet

so it could recieve a major overhaul, or not much at all

likely the former though

[cinder karma]

Raesh, is there an approximate ETA of the sunken sea update?
i heard that it'll be likely released in the first half of 2025 or at the very least in 2025

[errant wren]

wait raesh i can give an estimate

[golden sonnet]

sure

[errant wren]

sometime between now and a week after sso releases

[golden sonnet]

true!

[errant wren]

hope this helps 🙏

[golden sonnet]

Being real though, it's hard to gauge an estimate, especially as I am not super involved with some of the main stuff (I have never touched NPC code before), but probably like 1-2 months? that could be way off though

[idle dagger]

Ah I see

[prisma sedge]

I kind of wonder, what counts as a rework anyways? like, is it just any changes to an item that aren't purely visual/audible, or is it a specific amount of change?

[idle dagger]

My suggestion is more of an inconsistency fix though so I don’t think it overlaps thankfully

[golden sonnet]

I will say that there is a ton of small but super nice changes being made, which make the update way better as a whole

[indigo yacht]

pretty much just anything that changes the functionality of the weapon

[prisma sedge]

Interesting, I guess that makes sense though!

[gilded citrus]

if nothing gets scope creeped thats my guess aswell for the minimum

[cinder karma]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-bat-home-movie-gif-11281383871954099875

[severe sparrow]

I think there should be more flasks

you know

the things that make weapons deal debuffs

[novel belfry]

i have some news for you
#suggestions-voting message

ALSO HOLY SMOKES

THAT AMOUNT OF STARS

[indigo yacht]

not even that many ngl

[oblique birch]

free star farm working 2025

[drowsy plank]

@severe sparrow no reasoning plus this already passed as a suggestion with actual reasoning as show above

[severe sparrow]

alright

[indigo yacht]

i mean it does have reasoning just very weak reasoning

[severe sparrow]

wasnt aware

[drowsy plank]

it's fine

[whole tundra]

Me looking at my post beneath it that did not get to voting by a margin of 2 stars

[novel belfry]

😭

[whole tundra]

I've only had one suggestion go to voting. Disclaimer: it failed

Doesn't stop me from having 3 passing suggestions, somehow

[prisma sedge]

Seeing the other suggestions around it, I don't think mine was ever going to get through

[whole tundra]

Yeah that week of suggestions is literally the Yin-Yang of all suggestions. Almost all of the posts got very well received, but there were too little

Tbh, there should be an amount of stars your post needs to receive (no matter how much other posts have) to be forwarded to voting

Sometimes there's more amazing stuff than the 2 or 3 that got the most votes by a small margin

[prisma sedge]

Honestly, I'm not sure if that'd be much of a benefit above the current system, because there's always situations where they don't get a lot of votes simply just because they get buried by other suggestions and/or there aren't as many users active around that time, so in those situations, it makes sense for it to go to whichever ones are the most popular

If we're talking fully theoretical, maybe it could be a mix of the two, like...the most popular ones go through, but if the ones that normally wouldn't are within a certain range of votes to them, they go through too, but that'd probably be too complicated to implement

[keen zodiac]

what's the current star requirement to go to devcord

[prisma sedge]

There isn't one I don't think, it's just the top 20%

[keen zodiac]

that's stupid

[whole tundra]

I agree

[keen zodiac]

when did they change that

[drowsy plank]

a while ago

it makes complete sense because the activity of this channel is tumultuous as hell

[prisma sedge]

Exactly! There are a lot of posts that don't get to 100 votes or so for...a while, if ever, simply because the channel isn't active enough around then

[drowsy plank]

like realistically, if you have a better idea, feel free to drop if because sometimes the most suggestions get is like 50 one week, and then we can get one with 200 the next

[keen zodiac]

hrm

[drowsy plank]

if there is a better system than top 20% please tell us because 20% was only chosen because the original goal of 200 would make this channel literally unusable, and updating it every other month is even stupider

[prisma sedge]

And even then, that'd probably just lead to waayyy more suggestions being sent in, which...might not be the worst change, but it feels like it defeats the point of the 20% thing

[drowsy plank]

you'd think so but honestly it's been way slower than when i joined

[whole tundra]

I think a mix of reaching a certain amount of stars + the current system would work

There are times when the suggestions are all extremely good, but ultimately don't pass as a few of them had slightly more stars

[drowsy plank]

how is that any better than the current system then
like i said the average star count changes rapidly and it's easier to just do the part we know works and doesn't need to be constantly updated
i was originally wanting some kind of hard cap too, but where do you put that? 200? 300? 150? it just doesn't work

[whole tundra]

I would put that cap at 150

[drowsy plank]

that's an awful idea

as soon as summer comes or a big update drops you're going to have to adjust it

[prisma sedge]

I feel like there's just issues with every system

You have a goal and it's too high, then a lot fewer will get in, but if it's too low, then it'll become too easy to flood the dev server with suggestions, the current one makes it so that popular ones sometimes don't get in just because the others around them were more popular and there weren't enough in that week (or two, I don't remember) to put it up to the top 20%

Then in a mixture, the main ones I can think of are either what I described, which would probably be messy and complicated to work with, or it'd be like...the top [number]% of suggestions over a certain amount of votes, which would make even less of them get in

[drowsy plank]

my personal idea was just to set a minimum number of suggestions if top 20% only returns 2 or 3 suggestions

4 feels like enough

[prisma sedge]

Oh yeah, that actually sounds like a solid idea!

[indigo yacht]

i mean, you could always just make the hard cap based on the average over a longer period of time than the 20%

idk if that would work

[prisma sedge]

So like, the top four, and then however many more if 20% is larger than that?

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[prisma sedge]

I like that idea! I wonder if there's a way to put in a suggestion for that

[crude geode]

Yeah I’d like if there was consistently more than like. two suggestions sent over every two weeks

[prisma sedge]

Or...actually, who operates the system anyways? The server admin?

[drowsy plank]

that would take a lot of extra coding for a system that would inevitably introduce way more bugs esp considering nycro is Not That Active atp

[prisma sedge]

Is it even automated, or does someone have to do it manually?

[drowsy plank]

there is indeed a bot and nycro maintains it

[prisma sedge]

Ah okay! Then maybe we could ask Nycro about that

[drowsy plank]

🔥 🖊️

[prisma sedge]

"They their sprite"

[novel belfry]

Thanks!

[drowsy plank]

@novel belfry you should mention the difficulty in finding hallowed ore sometimes, as well as it introducing a renewable way to get it (besides shimmer)

[novel belfry]

dont hallowed ore literally straight up glow

[drowsy plank]

moreso issues with generation

[errant wren]

i haven't ever played with the progression rework, but do mech bosses still drop hallowed bars afterwards?

[novel belfry]

Luckily, yes.

[errant wren]

i see

[tepid crown]

yea just hallowed ore barely spawns lol

[novel belfry]

Although I still think it'd be sensical to get Hallowed Ore from the sword enemy that is literally the sword made out of Hallowed Ore

[drowsy plank]

like i said, moreso making it obtainable without just shimmering the bars

well yeah, im just saying you should lean more into the reasoning here

i think it could be more convincing like that

[errant wren]

i was going to point out, then, that the sugg would also have it move away from refighting/farming bosses

so there's that i guess

[prisma sedge]

Wait, so is there really no way to get hallowed ore or bars renewably? Weiiird, I assumed you'd at least get it in crates

Or wait, it drops from the mech bosses after you fight all three, right?

[errant wren]

yeah

apparently

[prisma sedge]

Interesting, so I guess it is renewable, just...to a degree

[novel belfry]

OKay, in your defense, Hallowed Ore is a calamity addition.

[tepid crown]

bars drop

not ores

[drowsy plank]

you can shimmer the bars, but yeah

[errant wren]

refighting bosses is just... it shouldn't be the only way certain things can be renewed

[novel belfry]

(also i genuinely think the early hardmode progression thing calamity does would work wonderfully in vanilla terraria)

[drowsy plank]

very true

[tepid crown]

yea but they were asking for ore renewability without shimmer

[drowsy plank]

oh it didnt say that before

i suggested they add that

didnt realize they had

[tepid crown]

[errant wren]

hey wait

shouldn't the corruption/crimson versions of the enemies also drop their respective materials by extension

[novel belfry]

that is true, but i doubt there's any real reason to beyond consistency

[errant wren]

the materials aren't really used by that point but like consistency

pffft

[novel belfry]

the player, BY THIS POINT, is probably well past the 3/5 bosses that drop ebonite and crimtane

[prisma sedge]

That and they're more easy to get in large numbers, since they're dropped by EoC

[errant wren]

what the hell is ebonite

[novel belfry]

Demonite

Fuck

Hoxxes calls for me...

[errant wren]

[tepid crown]

sorry u got one piece of factual info wrong in sugg disc, thats grounds for execution

[errant wren]

and technically so can hallowed from mech bosses but like

clearly we move evil2 to hardmode then make the evil weapon enemies drop the evil2 materials

i cracked the code

but uhh yeah

pretty good sugg with no real downside

[prisma sedge]

You are right, I just meant that it's easier because by the point that you're getting into hardmode and scouring through the corrupted caverns, you're probably not going to have any issue blazing through five or six EoCs a night

[errant wren]

i always forgot eoc also drops the materials

[indigo yacht]

I'm gonna be honest fighting bosses and shimmering down higher ores is not "too little" to warrant this addition

not that i think it's bad or anything

i genuinely dont care about it

[novel belfry]

i mean, because its also dropped by EoW/BoC

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message my gamer-cant-read ass read this as make enchanted sword drop post mechs i was like whuh

what itd do

[errant wren]

you mean "calamity-player-cant-read"

[crude geode]

no

gamers can't read

I know it's the meme but also gamers can't read

[errant wren]

i guess that might be true for some

[prisma sedge]

Funny enough, the reason I remember is because for some reason, I forgot for a while that the evil 1 bosses dropped their respective ores (I wouldn't refight Eater regardless, but Brain's better for that, and more profitable), so whenever I was in a pinch, I'd kill a bunch of Eyes and pawn their drops off to a particularly happy customer

[errant wren]

i see

heh

i'm so funny

[olive saddle]

its not even a meme, ive had multiple instances on my project where people just

dont read

[crude geode]

I meant cal players not reading is the classic meme

gamers not reading is true

[hollow shell]

@autumn wagon This sounds like a funny bit but in practice it also sounds like it could be very annoying

Would be fine as a GFB addition I suppose

[indigo yacht]

I'm okay with just clicking the altar to summon instead of whatever the heck this is

you don't even have access to the brimstone witch until you kill her the first time and after that it's just meant to be practice so I'm not sure why you'd be trying to kill her with flymeal to begin with

unless like this is meant to allow long acceptance post scal but like it's literally just different voice lines and 12 seconds longer

[keen zodiac]

but consider:
funne

[indigo yacht]

no

[lucid marsh]

It would make sense for calamitas to run away instead of attacking because she already knows you can kill her, you won once before

[tardy geyser]

Couldnt you accidentally trigger the fight with exhumed weapons then?

[tepid crown]

ah yes let me accidentally do a million damage

unless u mean like

during a boss fight

[indigo yacht]

you don't need to deal a million damage

it mentions flymeal

that thing does like 25 per swing or something

[tepid crown]

yes calamitas has

nearly a million hp

[indigo yacht]

what about it

[crude geode]

The sugg just mentions dealing damage to start the fight. Not killing her.

[tepid crown]

oh i see

well that just fucking sucks

"i need to summon skeletron rq let me ju-"
and then fucking scal kills u

[half imp]

make her start the bossfight if her happiness is too low

[frail fox]

So many good ideas

[alpine dawn]

trying to build around calamitas when she decides to stand in the way (i cannot move her or she will massacre my entire town)

[obsidian nova]

For those who don't get it, they've probably meant cursed flames/ichor, not demonite/crimtane

(Also, I think they should also drop the light/night souls as well)

[small bramble]

Has there been a suggestion of like "make more of the flasks relevant"
Feel like I never hear about holy flames for instance. Just ichor crumbling and sometimes venom or whatever the damage lowering one is

[wise steppe]

is that rival presence

[fleet grotto]

i think it's just a result of dot being kinda bad

[umbral gazelle]

@wraith plaza i think calamitas npc's bestiary entry imply that her magic overflows with extreme power to the point she cant cast normal spell so even if she didnt intend to kill player her magic power just wont allow her

[lucid marsh]

Make LESS flasks relevant

Return to ichor, the only way it should have been

[wraith plaza]

Then why would she be willing to fight the player in the first place? Her relationship with the player is friendly, even during the battle, and she's not particularly angry. Why take the risk?

[umbral gazelle]

its friendly, but she cant stop her spell from killing player

[gilded citrus]

She casted cryogen im sure she has control

[wraith plaza]

Which is why her fighting the player doesn't make sense. She should refuse.

[gilded citrus]

"After inheriting nigh limitless magical power as a mere teenager, she was recruited into Yharim's army, where she served for nearly a decade. She reveled in the violence of it all, the endless dance of madness and death, allowing the Godseeker to wield her as a weapon in his endless war against the gods. But now that the fire inside her has died, all that remains are the smoldering embers of regret."

Here the entry

[umbral gazelle]

no the npc version one

[wraith plaza]

Something else to note is that Terraria doesn't have mechanics for a bossfight legitimately ending in any way other than one side dying (the boss despawning because you got too far away is why I added the "legitimately"). You can't yield, even though you should realistically be able to, so we're already accepting some level of abstraction. Why not have reducing the player to 1 hp represent the point at which the player yields? Canonically, the player would in this instant be further from death than 1 hp, them being this close to death would only be a gameplay thing.

[tepid crown]

the ominous vulnerability hex:

[wraith plaza]

Obviously that would be removed if the player being at 1 hp ends the battle

[half imp]

Evil

[echo leaf]

Flask of Party is the only flask I need tbh

[gilded citrus]

Flask of party the best one

Fuck gameplay have sillies

[echo leaf]

try flask of party + fungal clump. i call it the Boss Smokescreeninator because it makes a smokescreen around the boss so you can't see them!

[gilded citrus]

🔥

[echo leaf]

idk why i got kicked out of a multiplayer run after inventing that

[golden sonnet]

I would let you play with me prikki

I can comprehend your genius unlike them

[echo leaf]

🎉

[gilded citrus]

Dryad tear/hyperius bullet + halibut canon + party flask

[echo leaf]

you hit the dust cap 🥺

[gilded citrus]

Shame

[wraith plaza]

That's why you use gores to get past the dust cap

[echo leaf]

actually i remember one of the game's particles are legally gores despite being absolutely not gores

[golden sonnet]

Gore of my comfort character (confetti) 😭

[wraith plaza]

Liquid dripping from the bottom of a block is a gore

[half imp]

What about Flask of Profaned Moonlight Dye

or Flask of Calamity Cursor

[echo leaf]

Flask of Buggy

i should do that tbh. texture pack which replaces confetti with just fucking bugs

[tepid crown]

potion of flask, multiplies ur flasks effect by 5

[wraith plaza]

Flask of flask

It doesn't do anything except multiply itself by 5, which means it multiplies itself by 5 5 times, which means it multiplies itself by 5 25 times, which means... oh dear.

[tepid crown]

good thing anything times 0 is 0

[wraith plaza]

It would still be doing things in code, just not in game

An infinitely recursive function that does nothing is actually how forkbombs work

[echo leaf]

hell yeah

[drowsy plank]

@undone oasis you need to provide actual reasoning, and also, isn't changing damage types a don't or something? idr

[undone oasis]

Oh my bad, sorry. I swear I read through it but I guess I accidentally glazed over that.

I thought it'd make sense since all the Rogue class weapons seem to be thrown items, like all the Ranged damage throwables are.

[indigo yacht]

I don't think so

calamity has made a few vanilla items rogue, i know gladiator armor is but idr if any weapons are

i think there's at least one

[drowsy plank]

okay yeah no ozz removed it so the idea is fine but there's still no reasoning

[indigo yacht]

ah i see

[tepid crown]

thats adding onto gladiator, not replacing

[drowsy plank]

also yeah no there are no weapons with a different damage type rn

also that

[indigo yacht]

the effect is the same

[drowsy plank]

no?

glad still has its original stats, it just has more new ones on top of it

[indigo yacht]

i do not want to argue about something this trivial

[drowsy plank]

that's not the same as completely changing the damage type of an item

since the original class would in turn, lose that item

[whole tundra]

Me patiently waiting until SSO releases so I can check if I can post this or not

@undone oasis Read the pinned document on how to make a proper post

[drowsy plank]

i pinged them already silva

[whole tundra]

They editted the post but did not format it correctly

[undone oasis]

Fixed I think, idk if I need to repost or not but just thought the idea should be out there. And also the Throwables are so weak it is really trivial, game won't change whether they're ranger or rogue.

nvm

sorry

[drowsy plank]

oh lmao

[undone oasis]

I hope it doesn't come off as an Inflexible suggestion, it's just very small tweak so It's hard to have that wiggle room.

[golden sonnet]

Currently I would more clearly state you are recommending them to be rogue

As currently you don't really state what you are requesting

[undone oasis]

Thank you, I hate when that happens.

[exotic gyro]

am I allowed to share youtube video here ?

[golden sonnet]

Depends on the context

[exotic gyro]

about calamity

[undone oasis]

Thinking about the main idea so much you forget that to write it because you think it is.

[golden sonnet]

If it's relevant to a suggestion then sure, if not then no

[exotic gyro]

i am not sure if it is relevant to suggestion or not but it is about a guy calling everything in calamity bullshit and praising fables over it

[indigo yacht]

that just sounds like normal calamity clickbaiting

[golden sonnet]

That will just result in negativity, no need for that here

[half imp]

I don't think that's relevant yeah

[exotic gyro]

ok

[indigo yacht]

this is why i only watch calamity challenge videos and not news videos or guides or whatever

[half imp]

about the rogue suggestion

while it's not invalid, the chances of it passing if it makes it to dev are very little

calamity used to have rogue weapon versions of throwable weapons and we removed them

[tepid crown]

make my stealth strikes

[half imp]

I almost gave a classless weapon a stealth strike yesterday ngl

[indigo yacht]

replaced the daggers and tomahawks with shurikens and throwing stars

trust

[exotic gyro]

I dont play stealth. So does stealth actually give u invisibility or something like that or just extra strike bonus ?

[whole tundra]

Oh yeah right, Stealth Strikes

[half imp]

it gives damage, stealth strike effects, and also reduces aggro

[tepid crown]

it gives u minus aggro

[whole tundra]

This suggestion would mean giving 20 weapons a stealth strike

[exotic gyro]

i think rogue should be renamed to assassin or tactical striker

[indigo yacht]

no

[exotic gyro]

it fits how the class works

just an opinion

[indigo yacht]

not really, anyways stealth is being reworked somewhat in sso

[exotic gyro]

rogue was just thrower in the early days

the mechanics changed but not the name

[indigo yacht]

summoner didn't have whips to begin with but it wasn't renamed when they were added, though it was changing the mechanics of the class

[exotic gyro]

so are u expecting them to rename it into whipper class?

[indigo yacht]

that's not my point

[undone oasis]

I see I see, I admit while I think My suggestion makes sense it is very unnecessary where time could be better spent in other aspects of the mod.
Also Rogue works perfectly fine as a name for what it is, nobody would rename Late game Melee to the Swinger class.

[exotic gyro]

but summoner still fits with the class

no need to argue on that

it was just an opinion

[indigo yacht]

ok i think there's probably a different reason why we wouldn't be renaming melee to the "Swinger class"

[exotic gyro]

cosmic shiv

remember it

[tepid crown]

vanilla should rename melee to thrower class because daybreak is thrown

clueless~4

[indigo yacht]

so true

half of melee weapons are thrown to some degree anyways

[undone oasis]

I mean with item names like Master Bait and the boss Mourning Wood, it's not outlandish to think.

[indigo yacht]

those are just double entendres though

[tired haven]

True, overdue from like 1.3 no less

[exotic gyro]

99% of melee weapons are ranged lol

[tired haven]

Yoyos...

[indigo yacht]

swinger is just a word

[exotic gyro]

lol

[undone oasis]

Fair fair, I am surprised it doesn't exist as a word to describe someone who just swings stuff.

[exotic gyro]

idk it feels very misleading to me because stealth is not stealth in calamity

[indigo yacht]

that is why it is getting renamed

[indigo yacht]

🐈

[exotic gyro]

reworked not renamed

ok we will see what happens

[tepid crown]

when its reworked so that it properly creates a playstyle of utilising both spam and strikes in normal play throughout the game, it will also be renamed to (most likely) focus

iirc we alr got shown vamp talisman changes

[exotic gyro]

ok focus is actually fitting but odd for a class name

[tepid crown]

no

stealth

will be called focus

[exotic gyro]

ok

my bad

[half imp]

Maybe not in sso

but in the future

[indigo yacht]

wait so we can still do funny things with typeless damage in sso

[half imp]

no

well yes but not via rogue stealth

but that's not a rework, that's just disabling stealth dmg from changing typeless

[upbeat tundra]

I know it’s been talked about before but does anyone know if boss rush changes have been actually greenlit

[indigo yacht]

:(

[echo leaf]

NOOOOOO

Why have you done this

Please don't

[half imp]

I didn't

[echo leaf]

I'm burnt out and I need Toxic Heart to beat Taurus

[indigo yacht]

i thought stealth was going to be changed too when it was disabled from affecting typeless damage 💔

[half imp]

Psycho Knife

good luck

[echo leaf]

oh yeah

okay psycho knife is cool we can do that

i'm already cookin

(it's burnt)

[indigo yacht]

make psycho knife post ml

actually no post providence

[half imp]

psycho knife is niche enough and hard enough to do that it can stay

psycho sword when

[indigo yacht]

so true

[hollow shell]

@undone oasis "minor tweak" is significantly underselling the change
Please just say to change them to rogue damage in the title

((assuming this sugg doesn't get ❗ marked regardless, which I can't remember if it would nowadays))

ok cool thank you

[undone oasis]

Sorry, the throwable weapons are so Unremarkable I forgot a whole damage type change is kinda big. Woops

[hollow shell]

Yeah in terms of a class's weapon options in early game,
you would essentially be removing all those weapons from the Ranger class, and adding that many to Rogue class

[undone oasis]

mmm yeah, Although I have never seen anyone use them outside of Challenge runs, and panic options for an early EoC fight. (Plus Beenade WoF)

I think that would likely be the group most affected, thrower class fanatics.

[warm juniper]

aren't like all consumable rogue weapons being changed

meaning they'd have to also rework all of the weapons being changed from ranger consumables to rogue weapons

[undone oasis]

I was unaware of that.

[indigo yacht]

Remove shurikens and throwing knives

they do literally nothing besides clog your inventory

[whole tundra]

No I pretty frequently use them in the early game

[drowsy plank]

ozz said it was fine with the rule overhaul

[drowsy plank]

tbf it's not exactly like ranger is dying for early game options lmao (bows)

[vocal moth]

i like terras cal suggestion

[whole tundra]

Yeah right it has a ton of bow options, here's all of them
Boreal Wood Bow, Copper Bow, Demon Bow, Ebonwood Bow, Gold Bow, Iron Bow, Lead Bow, Palm Wood Bow.., Platinum Bow, Rich Mahogany Bow, Shadewood Bow, Silver Bow, Tendon Bow, Tin Bow, Tungsten Bow and Wooden Bow

So much variety

They're not just reskins and totally aren't just, different, damages

(they should get the Pearlwood Bow treatment)

[frail fox]

Rule 1 of cal vanilla changes: don’t touch wood gear

[drowsy plank]

they should but also my point stands that ranger is not lacking in availability, and the throwing weapons are literally just

bow with no bow

or well

arrow with no bow

[golden sonnet]

Woke turned my pearlwood bow gay

[crude geode]

Good for woke

[whole tundra]

Calamity is getting Woke

[drowsy plank]

tbf it's because wood gear is a fucking mess

like ash wood would need to be as strong as gold minimum and idk where you would even begin to put palm and the evils

[prisma sedge]

I feel like those would be fitting for silver/tungsten tier stats

[golden sonnet]

Make each wood give stats in the respective biome

Boreal pick gets 10% extra mining speed in snow biome

[whole tundra]

What

[golden sonnet]

Boreal bow converts wooden to frost burn in snow biome

[errant cradle]

biome blade armor

[golden sonnet]

Etc

[whole tundra]

Didn't Snowball Cannon formerly do that

[golden sonnet]

Did it actually?

[drowsy plank]

i dont remember that

[whole tundra]

2.0.2.001 184 - Snowballs no longer inflict Frostburn. - Done ✅

[drowsy plank]

hilarious

[whole tundra]

rest in peace meta pick for King Slime

[drowsy plank]

is ks weak to ice? i thought he was weak to fire

[frail fox]

Yes

Also because it’s never supposed to be boss viable or anything

It’s filler

[whole tundra]

The resistances and stuff didn't exist back then

It's just that for whatever reason, Frostburn was bugged to deal 15 damage rather than 8 back then

[errant wren]

boreal does +2 flat damage in snow
palm gains speed in the desert
evil converts to unholy arrow in evil biome
mahogany poisons in jungle
ash converts to hellfire in hell
normal plants acorns in forest
i feel like i'm forgetting one that isn't pearl

[whole tundra]

Imagine finishing a boss and suddenly having like 80 more trees

[errant wren]

exactly

[drowsy plank]

peak

add it to CCR

[whole tundra]

Lorax Bow

[fleet grotto]

ash already has a bonus so there's no reason to have it

[errant wren]

oh it does?

i wouldn't know i never used it

[fleet grotto]

it's fair

it has the same bonus as obsidian rose iirc

(that being decrease damage from lava)

[prisma sedge]

Wait, how does that work?

[dense locust]

it reduces damage

from lava

what is there to not understand

[tardy geyser]

The armor does that, not the bow

[brittle panther]

Finally the sandgun but with trees

[indigo yacht]

nobody in this channel will see heaven

[brittle panther]

Was this idea that horrible

[frail fox]

True suggestions, unfortunately

[drowsy plank]

hey @dense ferry isn't feller already reworked and also like a lore item or something idr and im asking u because
lore person

[dense ferry]

It's relevant lore-wise, yes

I don't think it's reworked but we want to do it