suggestions-discussion

[dense locust]

my least favorite calamity changes all involve basic enemies

[frail fox]

Meta now

[dense locust]

they are the number one contributor to boss rush mentality tbh

[indigo yacht]

readd horror except only on master mode

[frail fox]

Genius

[errant wren]

having it equipped during exo mechs replaces the music with steve's lava chicken

[upbeat tundra]

The duality of balancing. Make enemies harder to make non-boss threats —-> people rush bosses harder

[indigo yacht]

if the enemies are hard enough they physically can't

[drowsy plank]

i dont

yeah i dont think that is how it works

lol

[crude geode]

there's only so much people are willing to slam their heads into bosses

most people will try to gather sufficient gear first

[cloud surge]

Boss rush mentality just comes from their being too many bosses crammed into progression imo

[indigo yacht]

master mode bosses are getting curb stomped in sso anyways so just undoing the nerfs to normal enemies should be enough

[drowsy plank]

ture..........

[dense locust]

I mean cal does give players the option to just turn off enemy spawns in late phm

[errant wren]

clearly we need more invasion events in between bosses then

[indigo yacht]

are zen potions actually effective

[cloud surge]

Theres just so many optional bosses its crazy

[indigo yacht]

I've never used them lmao

[drowsy plank]

no i wasnt saying you were wrong i was saying making enemies harder isnt going to make people rush bosses more

[dense locust]

iirc they're just potioned boss zen

[indigo yacht]

oh i see

[drowsy plank]

most of the time if both enemies AND bosses are harder it leads to me wanting to do more exploration/mining/fishing to feel more properly prepared before fighting

[indigo yacht]

^

[dense locust]

^

[errant wren]

^

[frail fox]

I think I agree with the above message

[indigo yacht]

if enemies are harder that just makes me think twice about trying to jump into the corruption chasm for a musket within 2 minutes of making the world instead of not hesitating at all

[upbeat tundra]

Fair point

[dense locust]

if enemies are harder you could also justify turning down rev/deaths inflated spawn rates which are far more annoying than hard enemies

[errant wren]

godda-

[frail fox]

Death blood moon 🔥

[indigo yacht]

death mode blood moons my ambivalented

that's not a word is it

I don't care

[frail fox]

Older cal was funny because not only were the spawn rates annoying high, but things also dealt stupid damage

Worst of both worlds

[drowsy plank]

death blood moons aren't a bad idea necessarily, but i feel like that should be more of a hardmode thing than a difficulty thing
since in hardmode blood moons are kind of a pushover with the lack of new enemy types
or well
maybe it would fit more in post moon lord
idk

[drowsy plank]

trueeee

[frail fox]

Blood orbs

[indigo yacht]

actually that's a good idea imo

give phm and hardmode respectable spawn rate increases but save the absolute insanity for post ml

[dense locust]

make blood moon fishing enemies able to spawn naturally in pml trust

[indigo yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1089409474160234596.png

[frail fox]

True

100 nautilus

[indigo yacht]

dreadnautilus farm

[frail fox]

Hope you like Sanguine

[indigo yacht]

no not particularly

[dense locust]

its not a bad color tbh

solid 7/10

[indigo yacht]

is this a repost

i swear ive seen this before

[upbeat tundra]

Yur

[indigo yacht]

i see

[tepid crown]

i totally love suggestions that are guaranteed to happen

[indigo yacht]

Make all master mode enemies immortal and able to instantly kill the player

[prisma sedge]

Give every Master Mode enemy a desperation phase

[upbeat tundra]

How about we integrate the Infernum gatekeeping into base Cal?

[prisma sedge]

But it's in reverse, you have to beat Legendary before you can play Master, then Master before Expert

[devout rivet]

real tho

its called master mode for a reason like they should make the entire game no hit

[indigo yacht]

that would be fucking awful

speaking from experience

[fleet grotto]

like that snail

[indigo yacht]

Add the snail to master mode

[fleet grotto]

numa

[vocal moth]

And a hyper death beam

[half imp]

@indigo yacht - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add the snail to master mode]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-discussion message

[indigo yacht]

that genuinely startled me

[errant wren]

bullet hell desperation phase as well

[half imp]

-# for legal reasons if it wasn't obvious this is not serious

[errant wren]

mods can we 🐌 react this

[vocal moth]

Bullet hell one shot hyper beam desperation phase

[half imp]

lol

[indigo yacht]

"what suggestion did i make recently that made it to voti- WHAT"

[half imp]

lol

The snail

[vocal moth]

They should add fortnite to calamity

[indigo yacht]

no.

[vocal moth]

Yes

[distant gyro]

feeling slow

[frail fox]

Camper 2

[novel belfry]

After Yharim's end at your hands, the credits roll.

[vocal moth]

Is untouchable the nohit role?

[vocal moth]

Yharim as JACK BLACK

[novel belfry]

Then. After the heartfelt last message from Fabsol, a stinger.

Ignalius, the Retconned, pulls himself out of the retconned old lore. Cue "Calamity Mod - Chapter 2"

what next

[tepid crown]

wats next is me killing u cuz thats a horrid idea

[novel belfry]

(for those who dont know Ignalius was Yharim's brother in the old lore. He tried to challenge Xeroc, only to get driven mad by Xeroc. This led to Yharim and his family getting tossed into lava, and why in the old lore Yharim wants to kill Xeroc)

(I... don't think Ignalius exists in the new lore anymore.)

[indigo yacht]

the old rev nohit role, yes

[vocal moth]

Nice

i should go for that

Is it still able to gurt

get*

[indigo yacht]

well

you can't get the role in this server anymore

[vocal moth]

Aw

[indigo yacht]

but you can still do nohits

[vocal moth]

isnt there a nohitter server

[indigo yacht]

yes

[indigo yacht]

i would have dead inside if you could 💔

[vocal moth]

Ok?

[whole tundra]

Yharim leaked dialogue at the start of Phase 2 if using a melee weapon: "Your blade, it did not cut deep enough."

[indigo yacht]

bug in the code that causes it to play regardless of which class weapon you're using:

[whole tundra]

After that, he summons his Persona

[errant wren]

a calamity-esque remix of [whatever the best song in the persona series is] begins playing

[indigo yacht]

the song's name is winterholic

[errant wren]

after reaching the threshold for phase three (99.5% hp), he heals back up to full and uses his stimulants (an hour has gone into this fight already)

[errant wren]

#suggestions-posting message ima just say it, this is very specific (technically a rework??)

[prisma sedge]

I think this suggestion is too specific

[errant wren]

also, i don't see the point

[prisma sedge]

The devs usually like to have some room for creative liberties

[alpine dawn]

and then its revealed to be a dummy draedon made after the real yharim walks in, points at the dummy with his thumb and says "well... i'd hate to be that guy!!!" and a laughtrack plays

[errant wren]

it uh

[golden sonnet]

Your suggestion is far too specific, diving entirely into what should happen, and not why. Please read the pinned suggestion guidelines @alpine dawn

[alpine dawn]

those r just ideas

[errant wren]

it doesn't really accomplish anything, to be frank

[alpine dawn]

isnt "too general" not allowed either

[glass arch]

too broad in relation to the scope of the suggestion yeah

[errant wren]

the point of a suggestion is more so to point out a problem and do a general highlight of what should be fixed about said problem

[glad tundra]

we all know that jack black is casted as the devourer

[golden sonnet]

Too general is fine in most cases, you can pretty much just say "I think this is an issue, this is why, now do something you think we be good to fix it"

[glass arch]

yeah

[alpine dawn]

ok then i have a larger complaint ill make in like five minutes

[glass arch]

the issue with too general comes into play when the scope of the suggestion is like. a full overhaul of melee

[errant wren]

unless drones have interactions with mobs in vanilla (which i'm almost certain they don't), i don't think part of those would even be valid

hell, i forgot drones existed

[prisma sedge]

That'd be great, but maybe a bit confusing when he's also playing Xeroc...

[errant wren]

jim carrey played both robotniks in sonic 3 i think it's fine

[prisma sedge]

Oh wait, I got my sources mixed up, that's Dwayne "Xe Roc" Johnson

[tepid crown]

ok but that made sense for it happen

not only did it create a lot of comedic jokes about them being the same actor, they are also visually similar in the source material

this is dog and xeroc

[errant wren]

i mean i know but i'm pointing out that the same person can play multiple roles in one piece of media just fine

[tepid crown]

in... what?

[errant wren]

there are multiple things that message could mean and i am not keen on figuring out which of them it is

[tepid crown]

u used "in" one time in ur previous message

[indigo yacht]

not really. it's just saying that cosmic immaterializer is visually outdated and unlike the other miracle matter weapons

[errant wren]

the message has been deleted

[indigo yacht]

oh i thought it linked to the cosmic immaterializer one

mb

[errant wren]

it's fine

the discussion was over really fast anyway

[indigo yacht]

it seems to have resolved pleasantly which is nice, that doesn't often happen

[errant wren]

(gonna just avoid talking about it in case it falls under the "not talking about deleted posts" rule thingy)

[errant wren]

what do you mean by this, actually?

cause i uh

[errant wren]

oh

[indigo yacht]

incomprehensible conversation

[errant wren]

yeah ima be honest i'm completely lost now too

[vocal moth]

I want the guy with a tcoall pfp to undownvote me

Genuinely stay away

[olive saddle]

its not that bad good lord but fine

[vocal moth]

Literally it is

[olive saddle]

have you played the game

[vocal moth]

Yet the game contains Blood brother and sister having “relations” that cant be justified at all

dont even

[glass arch]

why the fuck did we instantly jump to ad hominem

[vocal moth]

Idk sisyphus prime

[crude geode]

Why are you discussing this in suggestions is the better question

[glass arch]

we go offtopic so much in here that its not even a question

[errant wren]

something something suggesting that they un-👎 react idk

[crude geode]

Trueee

[vocal moth]

it aint even a suggestion channel

its a general but we diss suggestions

[olive saddle]

should the moon lord credits stay at moonlord or be moved?

i was thinking they should be moved but also it makes sense if they dont

[novel belfry]

something tells me its hardcoded

i dunno, its just a hunch from me

[half imp]

I'm sure it can be moved

But is it worth moving

[dense locust]

moon lord credits make sense where they are

[indigo yacht]

make calamity credits

[errant wren]

that might be neat actually

[prisma sedge]

It would be, but it'd probably be best to save those for Yharim

[brittle panther]

I think it's fine having the credits where they are

[keen zodiac]

plague minibiome is already planned iirc

at least they've said it might happen

[clever canopy]

Before I make a suggestion, can someone confirm whether this would fall under bug or suggestion?

Currently a lot of the changes calamity makes to vanilla drops don’t flow through to recipe browser, such as making most food items unavailable as drops

The suggestion would ofc be to make it so it shows up correctly in recipe browser

[keen zodiac]

that's a mod compatibility issue which i'm 60% sure is disallowed

there's suggestion guidelines in the #suggestions-posting pins

[clever canopy]

I kinda feel like mod comparability should be viewed differently for recipe browser than any other mod

It’s not like asking for compatibility with another content mod, and pretty much everyone uses recipe browser with calamity

It’s like a mod not showing recipes in JEI in modded MC

[hollow gale]

Could you make the altar of the accursed symmetrical to the scal arena in all difficultys? Cause as it stands, its not, the left side is one block shorter than the right

and it kinda screws over symmetrical builds?

[whole tundra]

It should stay, Calamity even makes 2 Interludes play during it

[frozen hornet]

Can you show screenshots

I had this issue a while ago and it already got fixed

so there might be something else wrong

Is your altar 5 wide or 4 wide

If it's 4 wide, break it and place it again and it should be 5

[oblique birch]

The vanilla credits should stay to mark the end of vanilla journey, I think that's really nice, Calamity can instead make their own credits at the end of the mod playthrough

[hollow gale]

yeh lemme just boot up tmod i dont have screenshots on me rn

[frozen hornet]

Thumby

[vestal crater]

would it even be worth to suggest that sunken sea walls shouldnt drop walls

cuz like

sunken sea overhaul

[drowsy plank]

you should be sending this in #1052323733961977947 then

[grave zinc]

@tardy geyser - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Allow Wulfrum Lure to spawn Wulfrum Rovers]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[grave zinc]

@whole geode - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the buffs for Rage and Adrenaline Consistent in whether or not they show their remaining time.]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@tardy geyser - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Allow Wulfrum Lure to spawn Wulfrum Rovers]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@whole geode - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the buffs for Rage and Adrenaline Consistent in whether or not they show their remaining time.]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[prisma sedge]

Oh wow, that was quick

[tardy geyser]

Noice

[distant gyro]

in case you wonder which one was done

[oblique birch]

wow

that was quick

[gilded citrus]

Adren lost numbers i think

[drowsy plank]

lol

[brittle panther]

It's no longer rover, we're so back (I can't think of a wulfrum pun for "we're so back")

It's not rover yet, kid

[golden sonnet]

@ rover, your reign is over

[clever canopy]

I guess my question here is whether the devs/mods see it the same way. Is it a bug or a suggestion?

[drowsy plank]

this would be a bug/oversight because it isn't working correctly

[fleet grotto]

#suggestions-voting message

i really like this suggestion because i can imagine genuine arsenal/codebreaker upgrades that are still optional

like, battery production rate, arsenal weapon charge codt/efficiency, schematic decryption cost, schematic decryption speed

i genuinely really like that idea even if it's not part of the suggestion itaelf

[errant wren]

yeah it is a pretty good sugg

i just hope that people actually give it votes

can't wait for the encrypted log where draedon talks about how much he likes axolotls and unlocks the recipe for a robo-axolotl pet 🙏

[warm juniper]

they could just separate the exo mech fight schematics and non mandatory schematics

like for example 3 mandatory schematics (one pre hm, one hm, and one post ml)

then a couple other optional schematics specifically for arsenal stuff and what not

thats something id like to see

[vocal moth]

for the jungle maybe they do a hollow knight crossroads thing

That would be cool

[gaunt needle]

Yeah they should make the jungle orange after you visit the brimstone crags

[indigo yacht]

or pick up monarch wings

[dense locust]

wait this sugg is awesome

[crude geode]

yeah waiting for the eye is just annoying

[prisma sedge]

Agreed, though I wonder what a similarly obvious cue that the laser's about to go off would be

[tepid crown]

the charge up sound

[prisma sedge]

Maybe it could blink a few times beforehand?

[tepid crown]

the fact that it looks at the centre

yknow

the tells that alr exist?

[glass arch]

im gonna be real

i didnt even notice ml having an audio telegraph for the laser

the laser itself has a sound yeah but i never noticed the chargeup

...which is because it doesnt have one

[royal tapir]

I think Calamity adds one

Which you still can't hear well

[glass arch]

ok yeah listening to it on the wiki its both not very long and not very loud

[royal tapir]

Oh it's because it plays on the NPC, not the player

trollface

[glass arch]

like comparing the volume and length of it to moon lords idle sounds

they're almost identical

[tepid crown]

loudness doesnt rlly tell much since most sound effects have their values changed ingame

[hollow gale]

am I able to/ allowed to propose weapon reworks?

[frail mantle]

if they're not too specific

[tepid crown]

depends

[prisma sedge]

It's generally preferred that you focus on what's missing in a weapon, rather than the specific changes you'd like to see

[lucid marsh]

I don't think the nerf to hard mode enemy stats should be removed but I could see it being lessened

[indigo yacht]

moon lord ai jumpscare

https://tenor.com/view/scary-gif-15466819343548526489

[gaunt needle]

631 - Added a flashlight minigame to moonlord fight. - Done ✅

[drowsy plank]

it has both an audio telegraph that charges up, as well as a cluster of beam colored particles that gather around the eye seconds before it fires

it is probably moon lord's MOST telegraphed attack already, i dont think we need to worry

it has like three phases of telegraph, though this does require you to kind of have him on screen

[indigo yacht]

is this the death ray

[drowsy plank]

yeah the death ray

[tepid crown]

giant shader that shows ml absorbing power into his eye

clearly thats wat we need

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[indigo yacht]

it's literally on a timer you shouldn't need ANY telegraphs to know when it's about to go off, the telegraphs are just bonuses

[drowsy plank]

well if you haven't fought him before...

[indigo yacht]

yeah okay fair

but i don't imagine it would take more than like, 3 death rays before people start learning the timing for it

[gaunt needle]

You shouldn't need a timer to know when a boss does an attack

[indigo yacht]

.

[drowsy plank]

like i said though, there are plenty of telegraphs already (sound, eye charging particles)

[indigo yacht]

what's your opinion on dog perhance

[crude geode]

which dog

https://tenor.com/view/akiokulit-akio-akiochow-chowchow-chow-gif-15068641932896100216

this one

[indigo yacht]

not that one

[crude geode]

[gaunt needle]

Boring boss, why?

[indigo yacht]

that's literally the laser walls

to dodge them effectively you need to know their timer

it's 12 seconds btw

[gaunt needle]

What? It's telegraphed for like 2 seconds before an attack, why would you need a timer

[indigo yacht]

you're not just standing still during the telegraph

[drowsy plank]

do you know what elsi means by timer

because it is more a thing you get a feel for, not a literal timer

[gaunt needle]

I feel like I don't understand it

[drowsy plank]

dog laser walls have consistent timing, moon lord laser has consistent timing

there are certain attacks that always come out after X amount of time and after you fight a boss enough you can usually intuit about when

[gaunt needle]

Not sure how you would get a feeling for moonlord death ray, isn't it like 30 seconds

I never got a feeling for it and always relies on the telegraph

[keen zodiac]

i still think the suggestion is good

[indigo yacht]

i cannot tell you how many times I've found someone who's nohitting or even just fighting the boss normally who just cannot understand the laser barrages whatsoever and then once i tell them that it's every 12 seconds after a teleport (and after 50%, with a forced one at 20%) suddenly they're struggling much less

[keen zodiac]

not being able to attack at points is stupid and boring

[indigo yacht]

probably like dozens

i know I've written out the whole explanation paragraph at least 9 times

[tepid crown]

my question is why these damn nohitters arent looking at the wiki to know how the attacks work

[indigo yacht]

you'd think!

but most bosses before dog are free to just... watch them ingame

so they don't bother

also the wiki is commonly VERY outdated when it comes to bosses

[royal tapir]

Where

[indigo yacht]

in the attack descriptions

the stats and stuff are all (usually) updated

but a lot of the attack descriptions and changes across difficulties are from like a few years ago and no longer accurate

i noticed quite a few of them when i was updating the guide pages for them

[royal tapir]

I don't see any for DoG at a glance

[indigo yacht]

oh i just meant in general

i... think dog is updated?

i mean i dont recall it being changed very much in a while

I'd try and correct them myself but I don't really know how to do that besides trying to read through the code which frankly I'm not good at

[royal tapir]

I do not blame people for wanting to learn things naturally in-game
It's better to learn from actions than from text

On a related note, if there is outdated boss behavior, that should've been notified

[drowsy plank]

im not sure if the main boss behavior pages are outdated, just the guides

i know the guides are bc updating those is sisyphean

[indigo yacht]

i know that some of the boss behavior ones are outdated, i don't really remember which oens

ik there were a few under eoc and i updated one for desert scourge yesterday

[prisma sedge]

@alpine dawn just to let you know, your suggestion is too long for the guidelines (I don't know what the specific maximum is, but I think it's 1,000 characters, not including the title), so you'll have to trim it down before it can go into voting

[alpine dawn]

do i edit or repost

[prisma sedge]

Editing would probably best, since the channel's on slow mode and you can only post a new message every ten minutes

[alpine dawn]

aight, is the trimmed version still too much?

[prisma sedge]

If it doesn't include spaces, then it should be fine, but if it does, then it has 1,018 characters, soooo...since the reaction wasn't removed, maybe it'd be safe to trim it just a little more

[drowsy plank]

you can totally fight EoW in the chasm and hive mind on the surface tbh

[half imp]

you can totally fight hive mind in the chasm

[indigo yacht]

this suggestion yaps too much

just say the problem and the solution, omit all the details about your playthrough and the specific bosses

[frail fox]

Hey Doze

[crude geode]

I think we should delete auric toilet

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-posting message didn't Doze already do this? Also it not being viable is a lie besides for DoG

[north oracle]

wait yeah lacerator has been viable for like a year plus now lmao except DoG

byea @hollow gale lacerator's already been reworked, aside from it definitely being quite viable

[hollow gale]

a

oke

I genuinely didnt know it‘d get reworked

[north oracle]

also, as a general note, specifying ways in which the weapon could be reworked is not something you should just include gratuitously in a sugg
we will figure out exactly what to do with it if the sugg goes through

[hollow gale]

yeaaa… i realized that too actually
I had a whole rework concept cooked up before i realized „Wait, i cant do that“, and tried to dial it back?

Prolly not enough though

[north oracle]

yea, just specifying potential ways it could be changed shouldn't be included (unless you are pointing out a specific flaw in the weapon and using a comparison)

[hollow gale]

Noted

[indigo yacht]

(and also you don't really need to mention whether or not it's good, that's the purpose of #1178515062030348308 )

[exotic gyro]

Isn't lacarator the exclusive yoyo to delete DoG from existence in GFB?

[fleet grotto]

it's not exclusive

but it's buffed in gfb to have like 3000% damage against dog or something

because funny reference

[gilded citrus]

To what

[exotic gyro]

I mean exclusive for DoG.

[tepid crown]

someone thought this was a viable weapon for dog

[fleet grotto]

yes then

i think it's like the resistance thing but the other way around

[whole tundra]

Bug in the past that made it absurdly powerful against DoG

[drowsy plank]

didnt

isnt the whole point of gods in calamity that they absorbed an auric soul

henceforth they would be able to interact with auric ore

[tepid crown]

theyre no longer auric when absorbed

[drowsy plank]

ah

so do they experience auric rejection then? that doesnt sound right but im not a lorehead so

[tepid crown]

yes

[drowsy plank]

wild

[tepid crown]

if they could ud see provi wearing auric lmao

[drowsy plank]

sounds like a skill issue tbqh

[gilded citrus]

Thats prob why auric was banned by almost all gods

[umbral gazelle]

imagine ordinary human seeing auric toilet and decide to sit on it

[half imp]

we need auric slime mount

auric rejects anything it bounces on except yharon and yharim

[indigo yacht]

204 max fall speed

[half imp]

no it's just normal slime mount with strong bounce

alternatively auric pogo stick that uses Auric rejection to blast you sky high

[worthy lintel]

we also need auric gauntlets as a titan arm spiritual upgrade

you reject enemies on hit

[indigo yacht]

that's actually a good idea

[gilded citrus]

Auric baseball bat

[half imp]

wait that'd be peak

I have a fantastic idea

[fleet grotto]

Australium frying pan

[indigo yacht]

🔥

[brittle panther]

welcome back Grand Dad (yes I know it's coming back in SSO but it'll probably work differently)

[kindred creek]

If I suggested to remove decryption times, would that get shot down?

[errant wren]

depends on what the problem with decryption time is

that's what i would imagine, at least

[half imp]

it could be a valid suggestion

Does not mean it would be accepted if it makes to dev

[idle dagger]

Doze, since you’re a dev, I want to ask if the dev team is interested at all in accessories that do specific things in multiplayer or if you are all leaning away from that

I have a suggestion I want to repost, but I heard that multiplayer based accessories aren’t in the dev team interest

Wanted potential confirmation if you can provide it at all

[half imp]

I can't speak for the team, but stuff like Trinket of Chi and Affliction exists

so it depends on the effect

[prisma sedge]

Out of curiosity, how much life regen is +2, hp/s-wise?

[half imp]

I would say multiplayer-centric accessories is not happening, but stuff that has singleplayer use and just a multiplayer bonus is fine. Just me personally though

[prisma sedge]

Because I'd normally think that it just means an extra 2 HP per second, but I think I remember the math being a bit more fucky there

[half imp]

1 Regen = 0.5 HP/sec

[prisma sedge]

Oh okay, so not quite as complicated as I thought!

[glass arch]

its with regen speed that shit gets fucked

[tepid crown]

natural regen can go die in a fire for all i care

[distant gyro]

chances are, multiplayer combat accessories are to be subject to a lot of tuning because those can get out of control really quickly

imagine for a second you run a 4 player multiplayer playthrough

why would you ever pass up affliction for the rest of the game

one person equips it everyone gets the big pool of stats

you get 4 accessories worth of power in one accessory, just distributed to everyone in the team

[errant wren]

you pass it up for affliction 2, obviously

[indigo yacht]

affliction is halfway decent in singleplayer even

[errant wren]

it's pretty good overall

[drowsy plank]

affliction is very silly

stat stick who's gimmick is... it is a stat stick for everyone

feel like you could prolly do something more interesting with that tbqh

[golden sonnet]

I love multiplayer effects, but agree they are currently fairly polarizing, being a lot of free value

I think sticking to less combat focus could allow them to be powerful without disrupting balance

Like a lantern/mining accessory that grants all allies close to you a minor light effect and mining speed boost

Or an item that slightly reduces the breath loss of allies near you

Or requiring all allies to use it for the effect, like a chain

Like that one ring from thorium

[drowsy plank]

the ring................

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, like that where each person needs to have it to get the effect

But not broken as shit like the thorium one is

[drowsy plank]

https://thoriummod.wiki.gg/wiki/Ring_of_Unity

the funny

i confused the ring and ring of unity

The Ring is stupid, ring of unity is just funny
flat damage for every nearby player wearing it is very silly

[indigo yacht]

I can't tell if that item would be dogshit or really overpowered

[drowsy plank]

ring of unity is just good

very good

https://thoriummod.wiki.gg/wiki/The_Ring

this one is the stupid one (pre-boss btw)

[indigo yacht]

NOOOOOOO MY FREE GIFT

[gilded citrus]

My 50 dolar

[tepid crown]

get ten people
get all of them to use minishark
murder the entire game

[indigo yacht]

2 armor pen carrying

[tepid crown]

thats another +1 dmg tbh

[drowsy plank]

i love my +3 flat +4% crit

[indigo yacht]

Add Armor Penetration Reforge

it wouldnt suck i promise

[drowsy plank]

i mean that is true

it would not suck

[gilded citrus]

It sounds like itd be strong

[indigo yacht]

well it would depend on how much

knowing how calamity treats armor pen it would be like 1-4 which would fall off as soon as you killed wof

well

actually it might last longer than that

[north oracle]

It would last longer than that on specific weapons, which it would cause to shred absolutely everything in their path

That's the problem with AP, if you hand out much of it then suddenly your fast firing weapons are either completely broken with it, or useless without it

[tepid crown]

it depends on how powerful the reforge would be when compared to menacing or lucky

[idle dagger]

Yeah the idea is a singleplayer accessory that also has a multiplayer unique use, thanks for answering

[indigo yacht]

the obvious solution is to make it only like 1-2 ap so the reforge is dogshit and never gets used

[idle dagger]

Makes a lot of sense, appreciate the answer

[north oracle]

True

[golden sonnet]

We should bring back old reaper tooth necklace 100 armor pen

[idle dagger]

Sounds like it’s worth reposting so give me a sec

[tepid crown]

aka if this existed we would be putting the testers thru hell

[indigo yacht]

well rip to those guys

[north oracle]

If someone unironically adds an AP reforge I'm killing them ❤️

[indigo yacht]

is that a promise

[tepid crown]

AP Reforge

smthn smthn buld variety, new unique reforges, new ap source

[golden sonnet]

Omw to do it just to spite you ♥️

[tepid crown]

how does my suggestion sound yall

[indigo yacht]

your execution is at sundown

[golden sonnet]

Can it be during sunset so it's pretty

[indigo yacht]

ok fine but only for you

[idle dagger]

Bringing this one back since I like this one

[golden sonnet]

Aw, thanks bestie

[indigo yacht]

<3

eh

this would be better if you didn't say "i believe an upgrade to heros shield should exist" like 4 times imo

[tardy geyser]

Clearly remove ankh from valor and have it combine with heros!

[idle dagger]

Fair
I can edit that a bit no problem

[indigo yacht]

just cut it down to the two reasons and a bit of elaboration

[grim tusk]

thin ice

passable though

[novel belfry]

The Absorber

[indigo yacht]

the slimer

[idle dagger]

What should I elaborate on specifically you find?

[ashen warren]

Debuff damage reforge...

[errant wren]

mana regen reforge

[indigo yacht]

you understand

[tepid crown]

this is a horrid idea. lets do it

[half imp]

+5 DPS to all debuffs

[drowsy plank]

@odd snow there... is no onyx excavator key recipe???

also you could just

fish for a reaver pickaxe to do this anyway

actually you can get this many hellstone bars just by grabbing the ones in draedon's lab and shimmering the roxcalibur

i think

[odd snow]

Oh crap it's a calamity addon recipe that's my bad guys

[drowsy plank]

the shadow chest drops are way more useful anyway

lmao

im just going to delete since it's not cal doing this

regardless that would be more of an exploit/oversight than a suggestion kind of thing

[indigo yacht]

has anyone ever actually used baroclaw before

besides just upgrading it to absorber

[keen zodiac]

no

[tepid crown]

no but i just realised that baroclaw is worse than bws which makes me sad

[indigo yacht]

lmao

actually this would be a #1178515062030348308 not a suggestion thing

i might look in to this

[tepid crown]

if ur askinf for changes to stats then yea bring it to balance reports

[indigo yacht]

well im 1 for 2 on balance reports so we'll see

this one is quantitative though so can't be that hard

[grim tusk]

yes, quite underrated

[indigo yacht]

im ngl the only thing about it that seems okay is the armor crunch

reciprocal damage accessories are underrated though

[indigo yacht]

not for bosses

but they're really nice for casual gameplay

[keen zodiac]

i'm pretty sure i'm the only human being on earth that's ever actually used obsidian horseshoe

[tepid crown]

probably

[fleet grotto]

Bundle of Obsidian Horseshoe Balloons

[tepid crown]

they should totally do this

[golden sonnet]

Me

I love it

[indigo yacht]

would you say it's actually good

i can't see it being worth an accessory slot for the average player

[golden sonnet]

For general use it's really nice as anything that touches you while mining/fishing/existing gets smited, but for boss fights it's a bit lacking even if imo it's underrated for that too

[tepid crown]

its good its just not exceptional

[indigo yacht]

ok so primarily the reciprocal damage

i can see that

lowkey thats why i use craw carapace for a while longer than i reasonably should be

especially earlygame it can deal far more damage than i can lmao

I'll do some math

[half imp]

absorber moving all the reflect damage on hit into absorber affliction is a mood

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, I know absorber is strong enough, but it does kinda ruin the point/make it worse

[indigo yacht]

see im wondering if i can do like

i would suggest buff boss reciprocal damage but i have a vivid fear

ok i should probably turn off nohitting config for this

how the hell don't i have enough defense

oh I'm missing effigies

why is face tanking so hard!

ok this doesn't work which is disappointing but removes my worry

[dense locust]

isnt this already in the next update

I could've sworn this passed already

[brittle panther]

made another suggestion that has a high likelihood of already being in the game and not posted to changelogs yet

[tardy geyser]

#suggestions-voting message

[dense locust]

yeah

[golden sonnet]

already implimented next update yes

[brittle panther]

it's already in and just hasn't been posted to #changelogs I see

completely expected

[golden sonnet]

could have been missed, or just not deemed important enough

as not every single thing gets put in changelogs if it isn't super relevant

for example, all GFB drops are per player next update (spoiler!)

oh wait

I can do this now

[grave zinc]

@golden sonnet - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make GetFixedBoi Items Drop for Each Player]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[golden sonnet]

cheating!

[tepid crown]

fifty asteroid staffs!!!

[indigo yacht]

what the

what does rhis mean

oh

[tepid crown]

like boss bags

[golden sonnet]

Becoming a dev to implement your own suggestions

[whole tundra]

Insert Obama giving Obama a medal

[indigo yacht]

"is it possible to learn this power"

[tepid crown]

yea

learn how to code

[indigo yacht]

no

[dense locust]

not from a.... theres no good analog fuck

[whole tundra]

Could this be the hidden power that Dickson was talking about?

[indigo yacht]

oh that reminds me i need to add those shrine locator fairies

[indigo yacht]

or, well, make a mod to do that

for once I won't be modifying vanilla code so maybe it won't be fucking awful

[tepid crown]

have fun with that

[indigo yacht]

no dont say that now im scared

[half imp]

so true

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-posting message Half of the examples here (QS, EoL and Yharon) are just straight up wrong. QS and EoL do not enrage outside of their spawn biome and Yharon can be spawned anywhere. The enrage for Hive Mind and Perforators is almost unnoticable but they enrage on the surface, you shouldn't really fight them there.
Also, most bosses don't even have a biome enrage in Cal. I'm very sure that all of the ones that do have one are fought underground or are an ocean boss (which reaches space). There's a few exceptions but those bosses are all horizontal movement based

There's 3 bosses with a biome enrage that are intended to be fought on the surface and those are DS, Cryogen and Dragonfolly.
The first 2 are unlikely to be enraged due to them being mostly based around horizontal movement and Folly's enrage is just minimal and feels unneccessary.

I do not think this is worth doing for 3 exceptions that you are likely to never notice

[distant gyro]

hive mind and perfs aren't intended to "enrage" on the surface

frankly

[whole tundra]

Yes but they still do, but their enrage may aswell not exist due to how little effect it has

[distant gyro]

the default difficulty is evil biome surface

the intent is that they reverse enrage (get easier) in the underground

people can still frame that as harder on surface anyway

and do

[whole tundra]

I've always seen enrages as something to restrict your freedom of movement

[distant gyro]

but yeah

[whole tundra]

Which causes players to think creatively

[distant gyro]

basically the neutraliser for the encased area of the underground
that being said, some players jsut leap the logic and build a big arena underground anyway even though that's not the point but hey you made the easiest possible version of the fight

[distant gyro]

plus folly might as well be fought underground anyway

a lot of people just do that

[whole tundra]

True, you likely have an arena there already

I don't really see the point of this suggestion as it only really applies to 2 bosses

[distant gyro]

how do you even get out of heights extensively on evil 2 anyways

its not like you have bundle of balloons yet

unless you genuinely just triple stack bottles

[gilded citrus]

Or have a concerning amount of platform layers

[whole tundra]

Yeah Cryo is the only boss where you can realistically (albeit unlikely) trigger the biome enrage

[tired haven]

I've been regularly leaving the biome during evil boss fights, but thats with multiple layers of platforms and height variation of the surface itself. I think its about 40 blocks from surface when you run out of the biome

Which, like, is something you should be playing around. It's not too little

[distant gyro]

you can jump up and fall back down to mitigate the enrage because it takes time for activation

[whole tundra]

Also another thing, how would this even work

[tired haven]

Presumably by sledgehammering the requirement to count the blocks at bigger range

[whole tundra]

The ocean biomes are possible as they defined positions on the world, but all the other biomes change their position all the time

[whole tundra]

Yes but that would cause huge overlaps

The forest biome would practically not exist and most of the world would be turned into the evil biome

[tired haven]

-# you'd need to 5x the range for that to be true

But yeah

[fleet grotto]

i really think this should be stated clearer because it feels like most players actually treat it like an enrage (when it's just really not)

[thin hazel]

evil 2s are meant to be fought on surface???

that tooltip fooled me, i fought them underground really early on ever since

:/

[brittle panther]

oh THAT'S why they seem so easy

[thin hazel]

so im not the only one

maybe that should be clarified

[indigo yacht]

i think most of the biome enrages are like prehardmode where you just Don't dodge vertically and don't really need to worry about it (with the five second timer)

[indigo yacht]

slimy saddle + double jump

you get a lot of height very quickly

[whole tundra]

Yeah the only 2 biome enrages you can reasonably trigger are Cryo's and Folly's

The latter of which is literally just 1 extra lightning pillar and that's the entire enrage

[indigo yacht]

cant wait for dragonfolly to no longer be a real boss

it doesn't deserve it

[drowsy plank]

@alpine dawn going to flag this until you remove the factual inaccuracies (QS, EoL, Yharon, do not have biome enrages) as Silva pointed out earlier

not to mention how changing biome detection like this would probably break so much stuff

[indigo yacht]

you could always just make it for bosses only but that would just be weird

[drowsy plank]

mostly just in the fact that
idk if you can even make it only detect vertically, and even if you did how weird it would look to detect a biome that's so far off screen

yeah

[tepid crown]

solution is to remove biome enrages

[drowsy plank]

if this is really an issue maybe you could get some footage and suggest increasing the delay to enrage or something? that's the only thing i can think of and it's prolly not even that bad rn

[indigo yacht]

it's 5 seconds

and what counts as leaving the biome also has a bit of leniency iirc

[drowsy plank]

yeah i know it's already pretty leinient

if this is really an issue id like to see footage proving it and maybe they could make it even longer

but i doubt it

[whole tundra]

Yeah I'm pretty sure changing stuff to only detect vertically is straight up impossible unless it's a biome that is guaranteed to spawn in a certain location

So it's either making worldgen super boring or breaking the game by making the biome detection area way too large

Both of which are, not ideal

[indigo yacht]

desert scourge: maybe, because the nuisances encourage circling but also like you won't be leaving the biome for more than a few seconds
crabulon: easier when enraged
boc/eow/perfs/hive: not an issue at all
deerclops: pretty much the most grounded boss in the game
cryogen: i can maybe see this but it's still primarily horizontal
brimstone elemental: again
dragonfolly: personally i just fight this boss underground but it's not like the enrage matters

not counting the ones where height doesn't matter (fought underground/ocean)

[whole tundra]

Deerclops does not even have a biome enrage

[whole tundra]

My favorite surface boss, Brimstone Elemental

[indigo yacht]

are you sure? i have a vivid memory of accidentally leaving the snow biome then getting immediately annihilated

[indigo yacht]

(she "enrages" outside of crags)

[whole tundra]

I feel like most people fight Crab, Evil1 and Brimmy underground

[whole tundra]

Yes but there's plenty of area to use the crags

Don't see how someone could accidentally enrage her

[indigo yacht]

yeah that's why i said the fight was primarily horizontal

you'd have to be trying to enrage her intentionally

[whole tundra]

Yeah there's so little bosses that you can reasonable enrage on accident that changing how an entire thing is coded is too much effort

[prisma sedge]

I get the point being made, since the fights there are generally supposed to be doable in arenas with roofs, but it's kind of funny to say "the ones where height doesn't matter" and then the first example being bosses that enrage outside of the underground

[indigo yacht]

m

and they still biome enrage which was what i was focusing on

[exotic gyro]

To extend the height of any biome , I think the devs might have to touch the base code of terraria

idk

[whole tundra]

It's either something among the lines of making every biome generate at the same place in every single world, or somehow change how biomes are detected in the vertical aspect. The latter of which seems extremely difficult to make

[indigo yacht]

I don't imagine it would be so much hard as just very laggy and prone to bugs

(laggy relatively speaking I don't think it would directly affect performance on its own)

[olive saddle]

ok question

do yall think the cultist freeze stun is fine? i dont think it is because its for a decent period of time and its a complete stun. i dont think its excusable either as the attack is decently hard to avoid due to cals changes to the frost ball thing

[drowsy plank]

not sure what point you were trying to make here. this is a mod and inline code edits are already very common (golem altar, celestial sigil, etc.)

[drowsy plank]

just use warmth potion

[indigo yacht]

it's dogshit

dash keybind works during it, though. dash keybind works during most "complete" stuns actually

[drowsy plank]

master death loves its freeze spam

[indigo yacht]

obviously a bug, but yk

[olive saddle]

doesnt prevent ut

just lowers the damahe

i think

[drowsy plank]

it does

it's one of the many reasons i hate warmth potion

[olive saddle]

even if thats the case thats more grounds to remove it

[indigo yacht]

they should make it last twice as long and make ice mists able to teleport actually imo

[drowsy plank]

[olive saddle]

i will say cryogens "stun" is fine because its very short and i think is hard to actually have happen, and it just superlowers your velocity

[tepid crown]

it doesnt anymore

they got rid of that when they made the stun shorter and added stun cooldowns

[drowsy plank]

it still has a duration reduction tho right?

[olive saddle]

theres a stun cooldown on players???

[drowsy plank]

that's what the wiki says

[tepid crown]

maybe

[tepid crown]

yea so u dont get frozen or stoned or watever again

it doesnt rlly matter for cultist since the snowflake usually only hits u once per time it spawns

[olive saddle]

wtf???? i mean good change but i never knew it existed. i dont think this changes the fact that a like 1-2 second stun is total ass

[indigo yacht]

you can get hit twice decently often

[tepid crown]

holy mother of damage values

[drowsy plank]

do yall remember when destroyer blue laser inflicted frozen

[tepid crown]

no

[indigo yacht]

i try not to

"what if we made the worst boss in the game even more abysmal"

[drowsy plank]

i loved when it was either malice or master that just made it so like 3 bosses required warmth potion bc they spammed frozen

king slime was one, which was miserable for the first boss of the game, then dest

and i dont remember the third one

oh wait right cultist

i complained about it and the counterargument was basically just "use warmth potion" and i was like "that fucking sucks"

[indigo yacht]

ok i actually kind of like the master death changes to king slime because it makes hand warmers actually like
useful
for once

[tepid crown]

its only 1 second (n is less with warmth pot but it doesnt say how much it decreases)

when did warm pot changes happen

maybe the wiki changelogs will say

[drowsy plank]

BUT THEY WEREN'T BECAUSE WARMTH POTION GAVE THE IMMUNITY BUT HAND WARMERS DIDN'T

[indigo yacht]

not bc hand warmers are interesting but bc targeted debuff immunities are

[indigo yacht]

the current ones

[drowsy plank]

well yeah but the changes were removed by then

it was all very, very silly

[errant cradle]

might have been a malice thing

very silly

[drowsy plank]

so yeah idk i mean prolly wouldn't hurt to remove frozen on cultist but idk how far it'd get

[tepid crown]

also looking at this it might be justified to reduce the damage of the snowflake since its currently one of the most damaging things and also inflicts frozen

[indigo yacht]

its also very very fast and accelerates quickly :3

they don't need a nerf but i would like to see frozen get murdered

[olive saddle]

is it ok to suggest in the post that the frozen debuff gets changed to glacial state or is that too specific

[drowsy plank]

i remember doing a true melee cultist fight and it was basically just "attack him until the ice ball comes out and then run away like a bitch"

[drowsy plank]

those do the same thing

[indigo yacht]

[errant cradle]

i found them pretty easy to avoid when i was playing expert death mage like a week or two ago so yeah i dont think they need a damage nerf

[olive saddle]

they are vastly different

[errant cradle]

frozen being gone would probably be the best bet

[olive saddle]

one is a velocity capper, the other is a full stun

[errant cradle]

GLACIAL STATE 💢 💢 💢

[drowsy plank]

looking at the name it uh

[errant cradle]

i gotta make this do something else

[olive saddle]

yea so this just supercaps your velocity to a tiny amount

[drowsy plank]

they both seem like full stuns

that's dumb

why does this debuff exist

[olive saddle]

it doesnt inhibit weapon use

[drowsy plank]

okay we're getting back into stuns again

why the fuck does webbed not work like this

i can clearly see my hands are free red why do i need to not be able to use items too

[errant cradle]

cause its vanilla and only one enemy inflicts it

not really a problem there but calamiy comes around and makes every spider shoot webs

[tepid crown]

i think its meant to be more like the uhh

trope

[drowsy plank]

all the stuns suck ass i hate them so much

[tepid crown]

of people being in a caccoon of spider web thing

string

[errant cradle]

also yea ^

[drowsy plank]

is it fargos or whatever that lets you mash out of them earlier or is that also a vanilla thing idr

[tepid crown]

fargos

[errant cradle]

fargos

[drowsy plank]

i mean fair but it really doesnt look like that which also annoys me

[tepid crown]

red got lazy idk

[errant cradle]

i think web might force your character's sprite into its jumping animation?

[olive saddle]

yes

[errant cradle]

in which case it looks like your limbs are all spread out and trapped on the spider web

[olive saddle]

all the full stuns are different

[errant cradle]

so technically it works

a cocoon would be more fitting tho yea

[olive saddle]

frozen is webbed but you have gravity webbed is no gravity no item usage and stoned is frozen but you have fall damage

its odd

[drowsy plank]

i feel like it would be easy to make it look like stylist's trapped animation tbqh

[errant cradle]

then that'd mean webbed would just become frozen 2 though since you'd need to give it gravity

[drowsy plank]

hm

idk i hate the stuns they all suck 👍

[errant cradle]

true!

[drowsy plank]

someone that actually wants them to exist could probably redesign them better than i could

[exotic gyro]

After installing .NET 9 calamity started to lag horribly

[drowsy plank]

#help-advice-read-pins

[exotic gyro]

oh I misclicked the channel

[olive saddle]

i definitely think they could do with something, as stuns are kinda bullshit in this kind of game

[dense locust]

do not look too closely at master prime

[half imp]

cultist freeze is fine when warmth exists

makes it significantly less long

issue is mostly that it makes warmth so good

[tepid crown]

how much is less long vanilla changes page dowsnt say

[half imp]

Vanilla it cancels it entirely

I think it's 50% in cal? That might be upcoming in sso

[tepid crown]

vanilla only reduces dmg

only things that grant immunity to frozen in vanilla is snow armour set bonus and hand warmer

[tepid crown]

also nah the warmth potion change has alr been done for a while now

[golden sonnet]

It's a 66% reduction

[half imp]

Ah

[drowsy plank]

warmth shouldn't exist
not in the way that it does currently in calamity idc if it was changed from an immunity to a duration reduction, it existence is exactly what encourages thinking like this and i think that's awful
it's ridiculous to need to use warmth potions on cultist, or king slime, or whatever else has frozen randomly slapped onto it
there's no counterplay to a full stun besides "shouldn't have gotten hit" or having an outright immunity to it, and sure the duration reduction helps but it's still just a dogshit mechanic in the first place, when it is usually already placed on incredibly punishing attacks
like at that point just make it deal more damage or inflict nightwither or something if you just want it to be a guaranteed kill idk
like is that crazy to say

[prisma sedge]

Personally, I think it'd be fine if it just slowed you down instead of fully stunning you

Like, it'd still be punishing in a high action fight, or early in progression when you don't have a lot of experience or movement accessories, but it'd be fair

[drowsy plank]

hence the suggestion asking frozen to be turned to glacial state

[prisma sedge]

Isn't that a complete movement stun though?

[drowsy plank]

appearntly not

[prisma sedge]

Like, you can still use items, but you can't dodge attacks

[drowsy plank]

it just caps your acceleration or something according to above

[prisma sedge]

Though...I guess even then, handwarmers do make you immune to it

Wait, nevermind! I mean, they are, but I thought they were used in the ankh shield, they're not!

[drowsy plank]

honestly should be with calamity's changes lmao

[prisma sedge]

They're not part of any crafting recipes, so you'd have to wear them on their own and waste an accessory slot in late hardmode to combat the debuff, that sucks...soooo yeah, it should probably be part of the shield

[prisma sedge]

Has anyone made a suggestion for that, actually? I might

[drowsy plank]

not to my knowledge yet no

[tepid crown]

its essentially the same but u also get to use items

so u can like

hook

or rod

maybe dash idk i dont remember if that one works

[drowsy plank]

default dash does according to elsi

but default dash seems to bypass everything so lo

or keybind dash

idk im working on my final project rn lmao

[gilded citrus]

Lmao?

[tepid crown]

yea maybe go do that lol

[half imp]

I think that the duration reduction should be removed from warmth and just made natural to the attacks

because it being reliant on warmth is absolutely stupid I agree

I don't think stuns themselves are an inherent issue though

especially for how cultist works, if the duration was always the warmth duration, it would mostly mean your positioning gets messed up for the next line of attacks

the stun should not be enough to force the next cultist attack to hit, but enough to make you have to readjust your positioning due to it

[alpine dawn]

Main issue 4 me was cryogen and hive mind

[dense locust]

I mean currently it will pretty much always be enough to force cultists next attack to hit
because cultists next attack... is the ice mist that is now practically ontop of you because of the homing

[alpine dawn]

I'll try to get a clip today

[indigo yacht]

dash keybind does

it also works for stoned and i believe webbed although for webbed you only move like half an inch

@olive saddle ngl i don't like the freeze but your suggestion just sounds like coping

[drowsy plank]

you know on the topic of hand warmer

atp why doesnt it just drop directly from enemies that inflict ice debuffs

[dense locust]

Wait hand warmer is a craft??

[drowsy plank]

yes

and in vanilla it only drops from presents

it's very dumb

[indigo yacht]

it honestly has no reason to exist other than christmas theming

[drowsy plank]

hand warmer should drop from snow zombies minimum and snow armor should be loop shimmerable

it's pretty useful for vanilla expert water chilling

cal removes that ofc but the point remains

the problem is by the time you get handwarmer it's useless bc presents are so rare

[indigo yacht]

the only time i ever use hand warmer is for king slime

you really just. dont have to use it for cryogen

that's almost as dumb as using it for cultist

[prisma sedge]

Speaking of, is that removed full-stop?

[errant wren]

but then cal would have to add something to presents becau- yeah honestly there's no actual downside to that

[prisma sedge]

Because I can see why it would be for the surface, but I think it'd fit pretty well for the underground

[drowsy plank]

it is a config

[prisma sedge]

Naturally

[drowsy plank]

but yeah instead you get fast drowning in snow biome

which works ig

[indigo yacht]

they should make it so that you drown in lava

[prisma sedge]

Kind of funny to imagine gills potions actually having a purpose in the underworld

[errant wren]

temporary lava immunity

clearly we make it so that you start suffocating around lava underground because of fumes or something

[indigo yacht]

instead of talking like it's necessary i would focus on how it gives ankh shield an actual use since iirc basically none of the debuffs it makes you immune to are inflicted by hardmode bosses

[prisma sedge]

I actually wouldn't mind something like that in a "The Constant" world, sounds like a fun challenge

[dense locust]

Plantera

[indigo yacht]

what does she inflict

[dense locust]

Poison

[errant wren]

[indigo yacht]

you'll forgive me for not giving a fuck i hope

isnt poison -6 hp/s

oh wow no i was wrong it's fucking -2

for 1 or 8 seconds (usually 1)

[drowsy plank]

does she inflict acid venom too or just poison

[dense locust]

Just poison

[errant wren]

make poison stackable, problem solved

[dense locust]

Ok actually

[indigo yacht]

8 seconds of bleed

[dense locust]

I think the spike balls inflict venom

But otherwise just poison

[indigo yacht]

ok so currently equipping ankh shield will save you approximately 2 extra damage whenever you get hit by a thorn spike and 16 when you step on the thorn ball itself because they're lowkey really hard to see

Make plantera inflict dragonfire

[dense locust]

I don’t think ankh gives venom immunity

Unless you’re just talking about 8 seconds of poison

[indigo yacht]

the poison yes

[dense locust]

That’s also 8 seconds of cut regen

[indigo yacht]

true but at that point, honey dew

or whatever the other accessories are

[dense locust]

Honey dew doesn’t come with 8 defense and knockback immunity

[indigo yacht]

wait i was thinking of crown jewel lmao

actually wait crown jewel is kind of just -

hm

i hate natural health regeneration it's so weird

[severe sparrow]

there should be more ranger accessories (especially for guns and other types of ranged weapons besides bows)

[indigo yacht]

there should be less ranger accessories

because ranger ducks

sucks

nailed it

[errant wren]

there should be less ranger accessories

[indigo yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/true-patrick-spongebob-truth-nuke-gif-15777863855591434629

i like this suggestion but i disagree about the "no rhyme or reason" part, they're surprisingly (for a calamity boss) rather compatible in terms of how you dodge them

they complement each other, but then they feel lackluster on their own

[errant wren]

give them a moon lord laser where they work together to fire it and call it a day

[whole tundra]

If creating these new team attacks is too much, atleast make them more threatening when on their own

[indigo yacht]

thats it.

[errant wren]

pfft

[errant cradle]

will be done for sso :)** **

[errant wren]

nah i've been out of high school for years

[errant wren]

[indigo yacht]

@severe sparrow did you know that recon scope is about the same strength as elemental quiver
and also daawnlight sucks ass with a good ~70% (?) of ranger weapons

[severe sparrow]

Yep, sure do

that also shows a problem with the Quiver, if it is the same power as a post golem accessory

being post DoG

[indigo yacht]

quiver is being buffed in sso i know that much

[severe sparrow]

good

it needs it

[indigo yacht]

you're forgetting that ranger also only has 1 prehardmode accessory

and it sucks

[severe sparrow]

As I said

[indigo yacht]

personally i would count how many accessories every other class has and then compare them

[severe sparrow]

alrighty

will do

ranger has 6 calamity accessories.

that is it

[indigo yacht]

wait is that actually

lmfao??

[frail fox]

Happening next update supposedly

[severe sparrow]

yep

[indigo yacht]

ok thats hilarious

[severe sparrow]

i mean, mage only has 4

but those are amazing

melee has 7

summon has 14

[indigo yacht]

mage has more vanilla accessories than ranger anyways

[severe sparrow]

rogue has 29

which is understandable

[indigo yacht]

although i think some of those are nested and basically useless

[severe sparrow]

due to it being a new class from calamity

is the Quiver of Nihility any good, anyways?

it seems pretty nice

i see a massive issue with Cal ranger accessories. It has 2 bow only accessories (both post ML), one garbage accessory, one situational (Daawnlight), and two decent ones

post Yharon dynamo stem cell upgrade, anyone?

[indigo yacht]

the quivers are not bow only

[severe sparrow]

fair

[errant wren]

bow-centric

[severe sparrow]

but they benefit them the most

[kindred fractal]

hang on

Moulten?

[indigo yacht]

bows barely benefit from equiver more than other weapons

[severe sparrow]

i am not joking when i say that i can get the bonuses of the Elemental Quiver with the Ranger emblem and Ammo box with a Lucky reforge (without using a bow)

[indigo yacht]

oh boy an extra 20% ammo reservation

[severe sparrow]

and i only miss 1% crit strike

[indigo yacht]

you don't have the extra update on your projectiles

[severe sparrow]

fair

but it is still strange

[alpine dawn]

Fair enough

[crude geode]

Most of the post dog class accessories are cringe

[indigo yacht]

why is this necessary

????

[dense locust]

true?

[severe sparrow]

elaborate

[alpine dawn]

Edited to fix it

[dense locust]

what is there to elaborate on

[kindred fractal]

Criminal take, explain

[tepid crown]

theres nothing to explain

[indigo yacht]

they should make an elsi accessory that makes every npc (friendly and hostile) look like a cat

[dense locust]

how bout you mfs explain why they arnt cringe

[crude geode]

They’re pretty much just stat sticks but for one class. It’s just as cringe, but because it’s centered on one class people think it isn’t for some reason

[alpine dawn]

Hostile ones have spiky fur

[tepid crown]

all they are are just more stats of the previous ones

[severe sparrow]

you need to provide evidence on why they are cringe

[kindred fractal]

Why ARE they though?

[indigo yacht]

dark sun ring isnt cringe

everything else is though

[dense locust]

they do not justify their existence at all

plain and simple

[severe sparrow]

should there be more endgame multiclass accessories

[indigo yacht]

and airplane ears

[alpine dawn]

That's fair, though there are a few that aren't like the one that creates a cross hair and the angel one for summoner

[crude geode]

That’s not the post dog ones I’m talking about

[severe sparrow]

Daawnlight spirit and Angellic Alliance

[kindred fractal]

They're practically all multiclass, no

[dense locust]

especially quiver gauntlet and talisman

[alpine dawn]

Yeah them

[severe sparrow]

although the Alliance is endgame

[crude geode]

Talisman is so insanely lame

[severe sparrow]

(post SCal and exo mechs)

[severe sparrow]

yeah i totally agree

[alpine dawn]

I only remember the ones that correlate to my current stage in game (which is post mech 1)

[indigo yacht]

god nanotech is just stat vomit wtf

half of them suck too

[alpine dawn]

Does it even do anything or is it just

[dense locust]

what if mana flower + sigil of calamitas tinker

[indigo yacht]

which one is talisman again

[dense locust]

mage

[kindred fractal]

mage

[indigo yacht]

i dont remember that accessory

[crude geode]

🐌

[indigo yacht]

mage is my favorite class cant you tell?

[crude geode]

It’s just sigil of calamitas + mana flower with some stats thrown on randomly

[kindred fractal]

Hey look War Thunder

[indigo yacht]

oh right

[indigo yacht]

that's why i don't remember it lmfao

[severe sparrow]

i mean

[alpine dawn]

I feel like cal kinda suffers from things not feeling connected in quality like, much at all but that's mainly a symptom of it being wip still

[kindred fractal]

I wouldnt say its bad, but what else are they supposed to do with Talisman to make it unique?

[indigo yacht]

remove dog from the game imo

[severe sparrow]

i think they should all be reworked into having a completely unique effect that none of the previous ones have had

[dense locust]

litterally the only differences between it and sigil are +5 crit +50 max mana and the mana flower effect

thats it

[alpine dawn]

Like take wulfrum armor, giving you a full on mech suit, vs a lot of later armors just being stat sticks with a minor secondary effect

[indigo yacht]

obvious solution to our problems

that's not really even

[crude geode]

Give it something that isn’t just stat buffs

[indigo yacht]

true

[kindred fractal]

-1000 social credit

[alpine dawn]

Remove everything but calamitas and calamitas clone

[severe sparrow]

alrighty

[alpine dawn]

I mean it's "calamity" not "yharimity"

[dense locust]

mage has so much potential for cool accessories that just gets wasted

[crude geode]

Yeppppp

[errant cradle]

unfortunate consequences of being a nearly 9 year old mod

[severe sparrow]

agreed

[indigo yacht]

more mana regen accessories please

[errant cradle]

we're trying to get everything up to similar quality standards slowly

[crude geode]

500000 more mana flower upgrades

[indigo yacht]

cuffs dont count

[errant cradle]

there's just
a lot

[kindred fractal]

The 3 mana flower tinkers should each have their own upgrade line

[severe sparrow]

imagine an accessory that gives you utterly insane mana regen in exchange for health drain

[indigo yacht]

if you mention cuffs i will BLOW you up

[crude geode]

God no

[indigo yacht]

i will not

[dense locust]

the best we get is celestial cuffs (too much setup required for the average player) and polarizer (what if vampiric talisman but mage)

chaos stone is not real and doesnt exist

[severe sparrow]

are there any currently existing accessories without much use that could be reworked to be way better (looking at YOU, toxic heart)

[dense locust]

toxic heart is fine though

[crude geode]

Eldritch Soul Artifact

[dense locust]

its like
a perfectly viable accessory with some fun synergies

[kindred fractal]

Leviathan Ambergris and OD scales

[indigo yacht]

ok fine i wont blow you up because i still owe you from last time

[severe sparrow]

yeah that thing is kinda mid

[severe sparrow]

true, true