suggestions-discussion

[worn elk]

thats true, it just feels a little unusual to limit stuff based on an assumption of what most players intention is

in terraria at least

[vocal moth]

Im runnin it on a m2 pro macbook so it aint perfect

[tepid crown]

download more ram

[vocal moth]

ok

[brittle panther]

already being added

[vocal moth]

i will

[worn elk]

idk im not very familiar with calamity as it is now so idk if thats already common or not

[tepid crown]

🐌

[vocal moth]

I know now

[echo leaf]

I’m totally down for this magma stone buff

Could possibly also be changed to boost melee size instead of applying fire to everything

I’m not aware of anything which bumps melee size in phm besides reforges

[novel belfry]

applying fire is its identity…

[fleet grotto]

doze's version is going to have more effects iirc

that's what they said ithink

[humble scarab]

true

[dense locust]

why would a magma stone boost size....

[novel belfry]

magma arcanium gives increased size

[dense locust]

that item is actually a psyop sorry

[echo leaf]

why does a silly little glove boost size

[gilded citrus]

Because the glove is actually a sword extender in disguise

[gaunt needle]

Demoknight tf2

[indigo yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/demoman-gamning-tf2-tf2demoman-trimping-gif-23479023

[scarlet musk]

is the max character limit 1000 or 500

[prisma sedge]

1000

[novel belfry]

@scarlet musk that suggesting gets very specific with its suggestions for the rework, which is specifically a Don't on the Suggestions Guide.

Specific Rework Suggestion (aka “SRS”): A suggestion which specifies exactly how to rework or remake an existing item (or linked set).

These suggestions are unacceptable because they give the developers no flexibility to implement the suggestion.

[half imp]

Also red sun is a dedicated item

Can't rework without dedicatee approval

[dense ferry]

Oh my God we have Sex Reassignement Surgery as a Don't in the Document

[errant wren]

wh

what

[dense ferry]

SRS

[errant wren]

caught me off guard

[tepid crown]

[errant wren]

good to know HRT is not a don't

[indigo yacht]

what

[keen zodiac]

hormone replacement therapy

[indigo yacht]

i know what it stands for, just

[errant wren]

we got here from this

[tepid crown]

well technicallt it started here

[novel belfry]

okay i forgot to press enter on this suggestion, and honestly im not sure if i wanna even post it anymore

so here it is

Rework Bloody Worm Tooth

10% melee damage and 7 defense does in fact have its uses, but this is terribly basic for an "Expert" boss accessory, just boosting two stats.
While it IS true that the Worm Scarf that serves as its sister component in the Bloody Worm Tooth is also basic, it should not be put aside that said bonus is a general bonus to all classes. Another pre-HM "Expert" boss accessory that is class-specific, the Mana Polarizer, does more and provides some actual variation in the Mage playstyle.
In my opinion, the Bloody Worm Tooth should be reworked to make it more interesting.

[indigo yacht]

maybe this is just me but like not every item needs to be unique and complex having a few basic stat buffs is fine

[errant wren]

like i said before, make bloody worm tooth into a ranger accessory

[indigo yacht]

also wdym "expert boss accessory"

[errant wren]

(was previously an expert+ exclusive drop, i believe)

[indigo yacht]

oh

[errant wren]

i think expert+ just makes it a guaranteed drop now??

[grave zinc]

@tardy geyser - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Allow Wulfrum Lure to spawn Wulfrum Rovers]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@whole geode - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the buffs for Rage and Adrenaline Consistent in whether or not they show their remaining time.]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[indigo yacht]

it looks to be guaranteed regardless of difficulty

[errant wren]

i see

i didn't remember

i wouldn't know i never play normal mode

[frail fox]

It used to be an expert drop, just like every other expert accessory but they weren’t made expert exclusive anymore because idk reasons

[crude geode]

locking items behind difficulty bad

[prisma sedge]

I'd beg to differ, since on the other hand, it rewards you for doing extra difficult challenges with items you could only get from facing it

[errant wren]

i mean the issue is that said accessories were also balanced around, i believe

[indigo yacht]

oh boy profaned moonlight dye

[errant wren]

i understand the reasoning on both sides but honestly i think it's better how it is now

challenges shouldn't always give you super good items

[prisma sedge]

Ah yeah, then I agree in that case!

[errant wren]

otherwise we run into "make yoyo accessories" territory

[crude geode]

yeah, moreso actual items with function outside of vanity

[prisma sedge]

Also fair, I think it's...for instance, kind of ridiculous to lock items that're part of later game recipe trees like the Rotten Brain, but when it comes to the Bloody Worm Tooth, I'd argue that it isn't that much of a boost over other accessories you can get pre-hardmode

[errant wren]

oh yeah sure

there's definitely room for nuance

but still i think it'd be funny to make bloody worm tooth into a ranger accessory cause we all know it needs it

[indigo yacht]

why bwt specifically

[errant wren]

cause you stick the tooth onto the arrows, obviously

that's it

[indigo yacht]

i don get it

[errant wren]

that's my only reasoning

[prisma sedge]

Speaking of, I don't think we need something for it, but it's kind of funny that the Rotten Brain gets to be a part of The Amalgam, while the Bloody Worm Tooth gets nothing outside of its tier

[indigo yacht]

we should remove the crimson and corruption biomes from the game

and all associated content

[errant wren]

we should remove the crimson and corruption biomes from the game

[frail fox]

I just find it funny how people hated Malice having exclusive drops so much that it was like “fine, now expert doesn’t get exclusive drops anymore either”

[indigo yacht]

all 2 normal mode players cheering ecstatically

[prisma sedge]

Oh yeah, were those 1% drops in Malice mode too, or specifically outside of it?

[errant wren]

i think people hated malice for other reasons but yeah

[errant wren]

i think RIVs were guaranteed drops in malice but it's been too long for me to remember

[frail fox]

Stuff like Malachite and former RIVs were moved to become malice exclusive items

[errant wren]

oh were they? got that wrong then

[frail fox]

Mhm RIVs and Legendary weapons/items became malice only which obviously a lot of people disliked

Which is fair because malice

[indigo yacht]

🥀

[errant wren]

i don't think i ever got past malice skeletron on-tier...

[prisma sedge]

Skeletron, the great divider…

[errant wren]

but that's why malice is a refight mode

[indigo yacht]

good thing skeletron is so convenient to refight after the first kill

[errant wren]

[hexed hamlet]

"Rework phaseslayer"

(Phaseslayer died.. for our sins)

[oblique birch]

millions rejoice

[serene vapor]

revert Phaseslayer changes.

[grave zinc]

@golden sonnet - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework Calamity QoL Recipes]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[distant gyro]

hi raesh you already Knew this

[golden sonnet]

Lmao, appreciate the update

[frail fox]

No more recipes goodbye

[indigo yacht]

calamity is saved

well ig that's an actually good change so maybe i should use a less sarcastic-sounding expression if affirmation

[whole tundra]

Phaseslayer will never get reworked
Rest in peace

[vestal crater]

Phaseslayer reworked my hand into sludge

[tiny minnow]

Isn't that happening in 1.4.5?

[prisma sedge]

That's the Phasesaber

[tiny minnow]

Oh ok.

[indigo yacht]

"awesome someone posted a new suggestion and people are talking about it"

https://tenor.com/view/maçavras1-gif-16101498646883457546

[golden sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-come-here-gif-14280244

The compromised account

[glass arch]

not my 50 dollar steam gift card

[echo leaf]

50 dollar steam gift card? hot dog

[prisma sedge]

Oh gosh darnit, it happened again!

[tepid crown]

missed another 50 dolla gift card

[drowsy plank]

the calamity drought is so bad that we've run out of suggestions so now every time a bot posts it's a big deal

someone write a suggestion for dirt 2 we need something to talk about

[glass arch]

cog how dare you mods steal our 50 dollar gift cards

[frail mantle]

i'm using them to buy hammed Burger

hehe

[glass arch]

:(

[frail mantle]

hehe

[drowsy plank]

50 copies of burgerwise the clown.........

[golden sonnet]

I would make a suggestion to help the drought, but I'm a cheater now who gets to skip the line

[dense locust]

make a suggestion anyway its a power move

[frail mantle]

i think devs have made public suggestions in the past to gauge public reception

[tepid crown]

give me the idea and ill post the suggestion

[indigo yacht]

i had an idea about adding like optional schematics for the codebreaker to decrypt

mostly just because the codebreaker is a cool idea that basically only exists for the purpose of summoning exo mechs and all the arsenal items are just like, additional benefits that you're going to get regardless

so like, adding more schematics to decrypt that aren't necessary that idk have the arsenal weapons (or additional ones) or money or materials or whatever would mean that you used it for other stuff that exos and also talking to draedon

ik that it'll be used for the armor sets (?) and pbg + aureus at some point in the future but idk the details exactly

[gilded citrus]

Maybe best to wait on the suggestion imo

[echo leaf]

i think that’d be pretty coolio

[indigo yacht]

or just other stuff but schematics were the first thing i thought of

[indigo yacht]

eh, i still don't think the armor and bosses will entirely solve the problem with the codebreaker even if they aren't part of explicit progression

id honestly just suggest moving the arsenal weapons onto their own individual schematics to be decrypted and throw them in the abandoned arsenal labs, if that didn't sound annoying as hell to deal with if you wanted a specific one

[glass arch]

get someone else to post it and dont insta forward it to dev

let cit do a good old citfix

[indigo yacht]

Add more (optional) encrypted schematics

The Codebreaker's decryption mechanic is a very interesting one that is used solely for progressing to the Exo Mechs boss fight. The player is required to decrypt 5 mandatory schematics in order to beat the game, and that's the extent of use the mechanic sees.

Adding more schematics optional to decrypt schematics would help to flesh out the mechanic more and add more uses for Draedon Power Cells throughout a playthrough (besides charging weapons). Additionally, it would make the Codebreaker feel more multifaceted and less like an instrument solely to get to Exo Mechs, similarly to what Communicating with Draedon achieves post-Exos.

What the schematics would actually give could be anything, maybe crafting materials or money or even new arsenal equipment. Or, already existing arsenal gear could be moved onto them (such as the weapons or the turrets). They could even contain lore info, for people who want to learn more about it.

im not putting this in #suggestions-posting for a bit

if i do at all

[indigo yacht]

my reasoning is not very good

[keen zodiac]

i think it's cool

[errant wren]

i like the idea of random encrypted draedon logs that don't do anything

[indigo yacht]

oh shit actually yeah they could just be lore lmao

[errant wren]

and then we just make them "mandatory" for when we eventually™ get achievements

[indigo yacht]

i almost prefer that to anything else even though tbh i do not care about calamity lore

[indigo yacht]

goated

[crude geode]

Draedon: today I taught Yharon to hit the griddy

[tepid crown]

the only source of lore will forever be draedon

no one else

[errant wren]

Draedon: I asked Lord Yharim to not immediately destroy this kingdom i saw an axolotl in one of the houses

[tepid crown]

only the robot

[drowsy plank]

do you need lore from anyone else? draedon is clearly the ultimate arbiter of the truth

[gilded citrus]

No thats the bestiary

[errant wren]

draedon has no real reason to hide the truth... not that i can remember at least

[indigo yacht]

has anyone ever unironically read the bestiary before

[crude geode]

I would trust Draedon with the Library of Alexandria

[indigo yacht]

i just want to know

[gilded citrus]

Draedon is almost as credible tho

[tepid crown]

tbh out of any in game character id choose draedon as my source of knowledge

[tepid crown]

yes theyre like

extremely important

[gilded citrus]

I read the boss ones at times

[gilded citrus]

This

[indigo yacht]

[tepid crown]

INCLUDING moray eels

[indigo yacht]

how are they important in the slightest

[tepid crown]

that one is incredibly important

[indigo yacht]

I've never even opened the tab before

[gilded citrus]

Bestiary is the main source of unbiased and truthful info that draedon doesnt open

[indigo yacht]

im killing you

[tepid crown]

for what :3

[gilded citrus]

Since another large source of info is yharim who is among the most biased and deceitful sources

[indigo yacht]

You Know What You Did.

[errant wren]

Elsi bestiary entry

[indigo yacht]

"Extremely hostile. Do not approach unless you come bearing frog leg"

[errant wren]

mods can we react elsi

[indigo yacht]

i do not fall within anyone's calculations

[crude geode]

You absolutely did

Some would even say you were punked

[indigo yacht]

i dont get it

[errant wren]

i don't get it either

[crude geode]

[drowsy plank]

sure

[indigo yacht]

I'll look back on something i did like not even ten minutes ago and be filled with such incredible confusion that i was the one who said/did that

[prisma sedge]

Or unless you come bearing frog leg

[indigo yacht]

This one Not so much.
But acceptable

[keen zodiac]

i fuckin love the bestiary

i'm the #1 bestiary glazer idc

[tiny minnow]

I love it as well

Sometimes I feel whoever wrote them really wanted to give people a laugh

[keen zodiac]

the piranha one

[half imp]

Same

[olive saddle]

Tweak aiming from the nights edge

why can this weapon aim? the bigger slash can very slightly go forward in the direction of your cursor, to the point where most dont notice it during normal gameplay. my suggestion is to make it more impactful or remove it, as its in a weird area of not being noticable but also still being aimable. making it more impactful would make it more interesting, and removing it would make it more static, both are applicable and likely acceptable.

[crude geode]

I would complain about tweaking another vanilla thing but atp we can’t really use that excuse

[dense locust]

I mean its a vanilla thing that in this case really has no reason to change

[olive saddle]

fair enough

why can this thing aim in the first place

[echo leaf]

I've never noticed that

That sounds incredibly funny

[errant wren]

wait this is something that people don't know?

[dense locust]

tbf it couldnt aim for most of its life

[prisma sedge]

Wasn't it able to aim for at least a long time before its swings turned into an areal sweep?

[grave zinc]

@floral dirge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Altar of the Accursed display Calamitas arena boundaries while the player has the Ruler enabled]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[glad tundra]

???

[half imp]

No

But ever since 1.4.4 it has been able to aim and the swipe moves in that direction

It's absolutely a noticable amount

Doesn't need more and doesn't need less

[prisma sedge]

Wait, maybe that was only the case for the True Night's Edge

[half imp]

yes

True Night's Edge has always had a projectile that launches

Night's Edge was a basic melee until 1.4.4, where it got a custom swing but it still doesn't shoot it's swing far

[tired haven]

The aiming on Night's Edge is definitely a noticeable impact, I suspect the reason it feels less important than it should is because the sprite for the extended attack is rather transparent

Doesn't look as big as it is

[indigo yacht]

is there a single reason why npcs shouldn't be able to spawn at night

[crude geode]

People don’t move in to places at night silly :)

[tired haven]

If I were to guess, it's because NPCs generally spawn offscreen when moving in, which means nighttime mobs might maul them
It's almost definitely a flavor choice more than anything, though

[crude geode]

The last line sure is complaining

[indigo yacht]

has anyone ever actually turned off the interludes? they add so much for being a single song that plays once, why are they even options

does potion selling even change anything besides like maybe the party girl and merchant?

[frail fox]

Didn’t even know this was a thing ngl

[indigo yacht]

i swear new inventory shop alerts just doesn't work

[indigo yacht]

the config option of the old man being included

[royal tapir]

Potion Selling is dead next update

[indigo yacht]

rip multiplayer playthroughs

[royal tapir]

And I think Inventory Shop Alerts is bugged currently because it’s a hardcoded list of when to trigger it, meaning it hasn’t been updated

[indigo yacht]

i see

one thing that's brought up often is not to add more config options if they aren't necessary bc of config bloat but there are a few settings in config already that could just be obliterated entirely with next to no negative ramifications

[indigo yacht]

i am genuinely curious why these were there to begin with

unless they're just really old

no nvm they're very new

interesting

[hollow shell]

Absolutely do not remove it from the config

Please

[indigo yacht]

what

why not

[royal tapir]

I didn’t follow the addition of the interludes too closely

[hollow shell]

The issue of config bloat isn't necessarily that there's too many options, it's that Calamity changes too much
(at least when the matter does not concern combat balancing)

I am pro-config.
For one thing they serve to let players know that Calamity does the changes in the first place. Otherwise they're completely invisible and can only be learned about on the wiki.
And, making more of these hard changes not be toggleable further encourages a Calamity-only mentality. Or a Calamity Exceptionalism mentality if you wanna get historically allegorical. These QoL changes can (and probably should) be done by other mods, or potentially be done better by other mods. And having an untouchable hard change in Calamity means that the other mods can't do it better when playing with Calamity, there's a design conflict/redundancy.

[indigo yacht]

i mean allowing town npcs spawn at night seems pretty visible to me

I'm not really sure how that would conflict with other mods but i don't use qol anyways

[hollow shell]

I remember when the base player movement speed changes were first implemented, there were players confused about why they were moving way faster without anything equipped. "What's causing that?"
They had no idea if it was a bug or not.

And that can even be considered an issue whether there's a config for it or not, because that information is still relatively buried. It's not natural/elegant.
It'd be significantly more intuitive if the player got some Starter Bag item that boosted their movement stats, for example. That way it's shown to the player directly/unavoidably.

[distant gyro]

i mean i do wish something like meter positions don't take up 30% of config space by themselves but the solutions to that aren't super good

[prisma sedge]

Understandable, and I usually lean more toward the "better for it to be optional than to not be an option at all" mentality, but when it comes to mods...I feel like a lot of features like this should either be added full-stop or just not added to begin with and be left to other mods to fill in the blanks

[indigo yacht]

that's fair, but i would doubt their ability to discern the cause regardless even if it did remain as a config option. I don't think most casual calamity players even know it exists, or at least learn that it exists early on in their playthrough

but really what is the actual harm in removing specifically town npcs spawning at night as a config option

i can see potential negatives with removing some other config options but not this one

[distant gyro]

that being said, most the gameplay configs happen to be server side so these are a single page now

[indigo yacht]

I suppose like, on hardcore you could have an npc or two repeatedly spawn in and die to monsters and then end up making a graveyard around your house

[hollow shell]

If someone wants to make a mod centered around town NPCs and their move-in mechanics, like if they add their own unique way to spawn town NPCs at night,
they'd be shit outta luck to all the players playing with Calamity enabled which does its own thing and, without a config option, unavoidably does its own thing.
As an example.

This specific change is indeed very minor and ultimately not a big deal.
It's more so a mentality thing. This would be yet another thing Calamity has hard baked into it under the assumption that it is its duty is to dictate the whole gameplay experience down to the QoL.

[crude geode]

^^^^

you're going to eventually need to have a PHD in Calamity Code to be able to add different QoL mods, which isn't really reasonable to ask

or have the modders themselves go out of their way to work with cal's code, which is something the devs are trying to avoid forcing iirc

other mods exist outside calamity, and I think forcing every single qol or small mod to work around big content mods and specifically calamity is overcentralizing

[prisma sedge]

Fair, but alternatively, maybe features like that just...don't need to be added to begin with, they're small changes nothing's really stopping players who like those changes to download a separate mod that lets you mess around with NPC spawns if they want

It's not nearly essential to the Calamity experience in itself, so it doesn't have to be a feature of the mod

[crude geode]

nothing's stopping them from complaining about it not being baked into calamity either, which is the really frustrating part. you either lose out on players being able to customize their experience, or have some players be really obnoxious about not getting their favorite qol automatically approved on high

[hollow shell]

I did have the thought of moving nearly all of Calamity's QoL changes out into a separate mod much like Music / VCMM

And then I had a prophetic vision of having to permanently deal with people complaining about annoyances that are already fixed in the Calamity QoL mod and having to constantly tell people to go download it

[novel belfry]

imo i think the calamity qol changes should be added to a side mod. if you really want the calamity qol as part of the Calamity experience, you could make the Calamity Mod proper have a dependency on the QoL mod, but that's probably not necessary

[hollow shell]

... still not opposed to exploring that possibility though.

[novel belfry]

GOODDAMIT ROVER HAD THE SAME MIND

[crude geode]

most people have had the idea

[novel belfry]

that is true

[glass arch]

its a fairly common discussion in dev iirc

[crude geode]

it's not the worst idea. it would be weird for a few months for sure, with having to inform the public

[hollow shell]

Message in-game telling people to go download it

[crude geode]

obligatory cal players don't read

[indigo yacht]

i know that some people would appreciate it for non-calamity playthroughs

[glass arch]

the issue becomes where you draw the line at what is and isnt qol

[errant wren]

i can only imagine that like 2 people are going to riot when they lose their default dash

[indigo yacht]

default dash is absolutely not qol

[crude geode]

default dash is the funniest thing

[indigo yacht]

it is extremely strong

[novel belfry]

a side qol mod could still be heavily toggleable, perhaps moreso than if the qol was still in Calamity, allowing people to do stuff like Summoning Items becoming non-consumables and siht

[crude geode]

some people call wing slot qol

[hollow shell]

Better yet,

At first, make it a necessary dependency for Calamity to run like Music is, to guarantee all the active players at the time download it. (transitionary period in which the effective experience is the same as now where they're baked into the mod)
Then, several months later, remove the dependency but add the in-game message.

[novel belfry]

...It technically is, but it is also super gameplay-changing

Trust me, I use it.

[crude geode]

so default dash could fall in the same boat

emphasis on could

[prisma sedge]

It kind of is, it's essentially just a free demon heart, but only for wings

[indigo yacht]

quality of life is supposed to alleviate how annoying things are that nobody wants to do

free accessories and mobility tools just make the game easier

[errant wren]

no guys you see we have to make every facet of calamity into a config

[novel belfry]

Yharim Config

[errant wren]

every single item has to be toggled

[dense locust]

default dash 100% should stay base cal, as should the movement boosts,

[crude geode]

like putting a wing into an accessory slot no matter what you're doing

circular arguments, people, circular arguments

[novel belfry]

gimme a sec im gonna make every caldev get scared after i tell Red he should add a wing slot

[dense locust]

moving things that calamity is explicitly balanced around out of calamity is an awful idea

I would like to see a seperate mod for some of the actual qol stuff though

[glass arch]

stuff like blood orbs, non consumable boss and event summons, planetoids, in the current state of calamity the evil island, the movement buff, etc

[hollow shell]

I'm willing to concede that, because that's more so about the "Calamity experience" rather than something applicable to other... mods...

Actually I don't know if I am willing to concede that, thinking about it.

[crude geode]

calamity experience is a frankenstein of music, qol, 'qol', and actual content

[novel belfry]

heres one idea

NPC exclamation mark

[indigo yacht]

default dash would immediately annihilate the balance of any other content mod were it introduced in guise of qol

[crude geode]

.

[dense locust]

lemmie put it this way
I spend a lot of time in #help-advice-read-pins
I do not want to have to ask "are you using the qol mod" every time someone complains about a boss

[hollow shell]

Alright yeah I was not thinking enough about how it affects early-game fights

I was thinkin of the exploration experience

[indigo yacht]

it can do a lot more than just early game fights

[hollow shell]

That is indeed something that affects combat balancing and is thus a big deal

[prisma sedge]

Fair, but similar to my other argument, I'd argue that maybe the solution would be to try not to balance the game around optional movement boosts

[hollow shell]

(I still would prefer if the movement stuff was on some early-game item(s) instead of making it a vanilla change.)

[indigo yacht]

is this an argument to make them non-optional or to remove them

[dense locust]

I mean making default dash an equipment item kinda defeats the purpose of default dash

[prisma sedge]

Kind of to do either or, but I wouldn't mind if they were removed and left to be filled in by another mod

[hollow shell]

Put it on a potion

Half-joking. It could work.

[glass arch]

this is all stuff that is in a weird limbo state of content and qol and this is just the stuff that i can think of off the top of my head
this is iirc the #1 reason why qol stuff hasnt been split off into another mod

[crude geode]

God I hate blood orbs

[dense locust]

it could and tbh that is a very funny idea but not one I think cal would realistically pursue given they've been trying to move away from "borderline manditory potions"

[prisma sedge]

I'd probably prefer that even, because it's kind of nice to be able to run and jump a bit faster in early pre-hm, but from the moment that you get Hermes and Rocket Boots, that doesn't really matter as much

[dense locust]

ok but actually

you could realistically tie it to your heart crystal count

so after getting like 260 or whatever it unlocks

[crude geode]

sounds even less intuitive

[indigo yacht]

make it a consumable item you get from your starter bag

[hollow shell]

(I remember back when I was a dev and Calamity was adding potions to NPC shops,
I said "Does this not mean that Blood Orbs have completely failed at their one purpose?"
And Ozzatron said "Yes, this is exactly what that means.")

[crude geode]

LMAO

[keen zodiac]

comedy

[indigo yacht]

blood orbs are stupid

[echo leaf]

blorbs are so funny

[indigo yacht]

and i don't mean this in a good way

[echo leaf]

what's the issue with blorbs D:

[willow widget]

make fishing great again

[echo leaf]

real

[indigo yacht]

hi optrix

[echo leaf]

hi optrix

[willow widget]

i NEED a fishing rework or something man,.,.,.,.

[prisma sedge]

Like, the issue with this is that it'd still essentially be the same thing, either it'd require mild difficulty rebalancing or it'd shift the balance, and you can't really have both

[oblique birch]

blorbs

[echo leaf]

supreme bait and tackle fishing station upgrade but it has an even longer name

[willow widget]

terraria just does fishing in like the worst way possible and it makes me so sad

[crude geode]

why do we need more ways of centralizing around combat being the only thing that matters

[glass arch]

the blorbs from mario and luigi bowsers inside story

[crude geode]

true

[indigo yacht]

well the point was just to communicate to the player that it exists and still give them the option to refuse it if they're weird

[willow widget]

also hi

[crude geode]

(wrong, technically, but half credit)

[dense locust]

I liked the change to blood orbs where blood moon fishing gives you a lot of them

I thought that was cool

[indigo yacht]

if they choose to turn down the intended way to play then that's their problem not the mod's

[dense locust]

wait

idea

[hollow shell]

I feel like that's the worst of both worlds, cuz then you don't have it for pre-boss, and it's still an "invisible" change

[echo leaf]

anyways i really like blorbs because i built a big farm for them an im proud of it and it was fun

[hollow shell]

Dash accessories exist hence the addition of a default dash for early game

[willow widget]

i'd rather fish than farm blorbs

[prisma sedge]

Oh wait, so is the idea that the item would revert the changes, and the changes would be enabled by default? Then that'd be a bit better...unnecessary still, but better

[indigo yacht]

the opposite

[echo leaf]

it's an afk farm

you can just fish and farm blorbs at the same time

[indigo yacht]

you use the item to enable default dashing

[oblique birch]

but, when u fish, u also fish up blorbs

[willow widget]

too much work...

[indigo yacht]

that way the player knows they can do it and can still choose not to if they want

[echo leaf]

double blorb farm?????

[prisma sedge]

Then in that case, what I said definitely still applies

[hollow shell]

Default Dash could indeed be one of those to-the-left-of-the-inventory toggle buttons a la Torch God and Ruler

It would be kinda out of place, considering it's more gameplay affecting,
but like
That is a place for permanent toggles to go.

[echo leaf]

people would still miss that

[crude geode]

wdym, my like 0.2 or whatever luck from torch god really matters

[indigo yacht]

no, it doesn't. just because an option to not use the dash exists doesn't mean that the game should be rebalanced around that option

[prisma sedge]

Like, it's a small difference, but I feel like there is a difference between the intended experience being something you can disable, and it being missable

[echo leaf]

clearly the only solution is a permanent WotG-style red text screen overlay that says "YOU CAN USE A DEFAULT DASH EFFECT ENABLE IT IN THE CONFIG THIS MIESSAGE WILL ONLY DISAPPEAR IF YOU DO"

[indigo yacht]

if they player chooses to reject the intended balance then it's not the mod's problem to account for that

[glass arch]

not exactly hard to miss the icons are like 4x4 at most

[indigo yacht]

there's a reason it's intended

[keen zodiac]

^

[dense locust]

make blood orbs fishable during blood moons
I cant think of good reasoning for this besides "it would be cool and makes logical sense"

[prisma sedge]

Yeah, but if it's the intended experience, then shouldn't it be set by default?

[crude geode]

"PLAY THE GAME AS WE INTEND"

[echo leaf]

they already are
gorecodiles vomit them out

[dense locust]

I mean like

[echo leaf]

making gorecodiles more common would help a lot

because.... like, they're pretty... not common

[dense locust]

wait is this just a fish

[indigo yacht]

that is what i believe. i am compromising with people who do not believe that and also trying to make it less hidden behind configuration options

[hollow shell]

Indeed hence the warning on the uhhhh the uh Early HM Progression Rework config
Which exists to facilitate other mods.

[echo leaf]

yeah

[prisma sedge]

Ah, I see, then I understand that

[dense locust]

hilarious

[echo leaf]

it's legally a grab bag just like stuffed fish and treasure bags

right click it and I think you get... what, 10-15 blorbs?

[drowsy plank]

isnt gorocodile dying

[dense locust]

incredible

[hollow shell]

formerly known as Xerocodiles

[echo leaf]

NO NO NO

PLEASE DON'T HURT THEM

[dense locust]

why would they kill an item with such an awesome name

[indigo yacht]

add stardew valley fishing minigame

to terraria

[echo leaf]

I love them

[indigo yacht]

mod saved

[crude geode]

cal hates fishing

[distant gyro]

would never

[echo leaf]

okay good

[crude geode]

yay

[dense locust]

🙏

[crude geode]

mod saved

[echo leaf]

the good ending

[distant gyro]

🐊

[glass arch]

new pr it does nothing but delete the gorecodile files from the mod

[echo leaf]

wow

[dense locust]

[echo leaf]

removes the files but not the item
causes a game crash when the game attempts to initialize/render it

[glass arch]

ignore my horrific attempts at spelling mod its 1:30 am and i am very tired

[echo leaf]

OMG SAME i should sleep

[distant gyro]

to be fair the blood moon fishing enemies are just big gorocodiles that kill you

[crude geode]

the council will not ignore your sins

[dense locust]

true....

[crude geode]

go to superhell with that one gay angel from that one show

[echo leaf]

yewah but i like gorecodiles because i like...

[glass arch]

gabriel ultrakill?

[dense locust]

make all enemy projectiles capable of traveling through walls
title

[echo leaf]

yeah

[crude geode]

yes gabriel ultrakill

[indigo yacht]

no

[prisma sedge]

But yeah, I'd say for me, I'd rather for the first question you're asked when getting into a mod to be "do you want to keep this vanilla feature?" rather than "okay, but what about the full experience?", if that makes sense

[crude geode]

I love pirate invasion

[echo leaf]

praying for a gorecodile critter cage rn

[dense locust]

hey its realistic

[hollow shell]

Azazel Helltaker?

[crude geode]

that's not a show, rover

at least not yet

[dense locust]

it is now

[hollow shell]

Neither is Ultrakill

[dense locust]

execs are planning it as we speak

[hollow shell]

[indigo yacht]

from my point of view - if you're installing calamity, you're playing calamity

(with some exceptions)

[glass arch]

isnt that message referring to hazbin

[hollow shell]

it is

[crude geode]

no it's referring to supernatural

[hollow shell]

VCMM

[prisma sedge]

Ye ye, then it sounds like we agree there!

[glass arch]

yucky

[crude geode]

I'm going to ultrakill you

[glass arch]

phone almost dead time bedge goog nite

[hollow shell]

gootbye

[crude geode]

anyways can we remove blood orbs-

[hollow shell]

anyway HOW has there only been ONE suggestion that mentions Default Dash??

Am I missing something

[crude geode]

idk people don't care about it

also that was pre-default dash i believe

[oblique birch]

clearly everyone loves it and want it there

[dense locust]

most people either dont notice it, actively abuse it, or dont care

[distant gyro]

what is there to suggest about it

[hollow shell]

Oh you're right, that one is coincidence

So there have been zero suggestions about it

That have gotten through sugg-posting, that is.

[distant gyro]

the only thing i can think of is removing it and for some time you cant do that cause it basically amounts to a reversion

[hollow shell]

I remember it being controversial when it was first added, I'm surprised there weren't any suggs that got through asking for an early game dash item to be added and the config get removed, or something

[hollow shell]

Indeed

I suspect they existed but got exclam'd

[distant gyro]

a hypothetical one would've gotten exclaimed yes

[hollow shell]

(the default dash itself isn't even really that bad. It's more of a quick-turn.
I feel like the boosted default max walking speed is more significant)

[dense locust]

increase default dash distance by 1 block

[distant gyro]

that would go to balance silly

[dense locust]

but like, before balance existed

[hollow shell]

(actually, ...
I'm not sure what I mean by "significant" there)

[dense locust]

(it would go in the defunct balance thread)

[crude geode]

noticeable?

Remove Blood Orbs
I hate them I hate them I hate them

[distant gyro]

do you think blood orbs would taste like cherries

[crude geode]

no I think they would taste like boba

[distant gyro]

i think blood orb makes something other than potions at some point or another

[dense locust]

crackshot colt

[distant gyro]

thats also not bloodstone core

[crude geode]

money trough ig

[hollow shell]

Like uhh
Something that more so needs to not be hard-baked

And the jump height and the jump speed. Didn't mention them cuz I forgot what exactly they were.

And yes they are toggleable which is good but I mean they have greater candidacy for being given item(s) instead of configs

[distant gyro]

idk what items you want them to be

[crude geode]

step stool, clearly

[distant gyro]

just kinda like permanent consumables i guess

[hollow shell]

And considering having them on multiple accessories would eat up acc slots and having them on one accessory would make it too necessary/dominant then

I'm honestly pondering the idea of having it be a Starter Bag item that's consumable and permanently adds their toggle to the left of the inventory

[distant gyro]

eat this to get the calamity movementtm

[tired haven]

As far as I know, making movement configs into items undermines their purpose of "fixing" day 1 mobility being too harsh

[hollow shell]

Even that's just kinda moving the problem somewhere else, I admit

[distant gyro]

yeah

its just moving the gameplay toggle to the

toggle you use for building

misplacement!!!

[tired haven]

As well as returning accessory meta into 5 mobility items

[distant gyro]

im pretty sure those top left corner things are literally called build toggles or something like that btw

[dense locust]

its already there wdym

[tired haven]

[hollow shell]

I dunno.

I feel like there is a more elegant solution buried somewhere in here but I can't work it out at the moment

[crude geode]

return to malice mode

[frail fox]

True

Buff quick again

[tired haven]

It's pretty hard to elegantly fix terraria character taking 80 frames to reach max walking speed

[frail fox]

8% speed + 10% jump per quick

[dense locust]

we've finally done it
we've power creeped frog leg

[crude geode]

I think quick should give your character the ability to spin guns like the new hellborn faster

[hollow shell]

I feel like uhhh

Increase Base Movement Speed is more so a symptom of the devs & active players getting sick of playing their own game and no longer having the patience to get through pre-boss.

[distant gyro]

go my power creep

[crude geode]

true!

early game does not exist

[tired haven]

That is partly true

[hollow shell]

Also, Starter Bag.

[crude geode]

starter bag is a plague on our house

[dense locust]

starter bag is the most unnessisarry thing cal adds

[distant gyro]

to be fair its self inflicted cause cal also discourages small worlds

[tired haven]

(i'd agree starter bag is the bigger plague in terms of Not Playing The Game)

[distant gyro]

you are given more speed to navigate the world that the game prefers it be bigger

[dense locust]

the only thing of any importance starter bag does is letting new players know rogue exists

[crude geode]

the only good thing about starter bag is like. making summoner and mage not cbt, but also there's better ways around that

like the fact wand is craftable

[hollow shell]

((this is also the result of hard class restriction mentality being the norm, when especially early-game you have much more freedom in what weapons and equipment you can use))

[distant gyro]

self devouring prophecy

[frail fox]

The only way anybody realistically finds out that throwing bricks exist 💔

[crude geode]

clay isn't a block that exists

[frail fox]

Okay but who goes “let me mine this clay and make bricks to make my first weapon”

[crude geode]

very true, but like. you start with a melee weapon in terraria. not a good one, but it's the first actual weapon you get without needing like. stone for arrows

[hollow shell]

Just use a sword until you find clay
Who's gonna stop you, cops?

[tired haven]

The sense of pride and accomplishment presumably

[distant gyro]

okay but i love the random ass goofy terraria weapons thats there on the edge of your discovery and then its not very good

go my paper airplanes

[crude geode]

paper airplanes is indeed the funniest weapon in the game

[hollow shell]

I actually don't particularly mind getting each class's weapon to start with
Makes the very start of the game not so same-y

[frail fox]

My point is that a player who has 0 knowledge of the game won’t know bricks exist as a weapon without starter bag, you can obviously get clay in 3 seconds if you know the game

(This is a rogue issue not a starter bag defense)

[crude geode]

guide slips a brick in your pocket when your character is created

[tired haven]

I feel like that applies to just about 70% of modded content (anything that's not an ore bar)

[crude geode]

yeahhhhhh

[hollow shell]

(Alternate solution: Take a page out of vanilla's book with world evils and alt ores,
and make it so each playthrough you start with a random class's starter weapon

Sometimes you have a sword, sometimes you have a wand, sometimes you have throwing bricks)

[frail fox]

Not wrong but hey, at least have the decency to introduce your new class somehow that makes sense

[hollow shell]

(Ignore the fact that you can run out of bricks and have to fight with a pickaxe until you get something else)

[distant gyro]

woe, brick be upon ye

[frail fox]

World opens and a fancy class choice meter appears above your head

[tired haven]

summoner sure puts these foolish ambitions to rest

[hollow shell]

anyway iunno how much of what I'm saying is of value
The defaults/configs issue is hard to elegantly solve, evidently

[crude geode]

introducing game hard

miyamato didn't know what precedent he would set with 1-1

[tired haven]

I wouldn't mind a wood tier rogue weapon btw
Just jesting

[crude geode]

wood tier weapons are good, methinks

[frail fox]

Wood tier (and the rest of the ore) Rogue weapons existing would be good

Just don’t do something dumb and make variants for all wood types obviously

[crude geode]

no, do it

[tired haven]

-# they should make it that in hardmode any tree you cut down drops hardwood

[crude geode]

[dense locust]

isnt this just kylie in sso

[frail fox]

Yes

But

Chest item not wood

[dense locust]

same thing smh

[frail fox]

Big difference

[tired haven]

Yeah wood and wood chest is big diff

[crude geode]

fr

[distant gyro]

i also hate the fact that adding chest loot is so diluting

[tired haven]

Just look at wand of sparking before the recipe

[distant gyro]

but Whatever

[crude geode]

the wand™️ enjoyers were in shambles

[distant gyro]

i guess fuck step stool ya got kylie instead

[dense locust]

how will people appreciate the incredible step stool buff now smh

[frail fox]

Kylie recipe with wood and cobwebs or something wait that’s a yo-yo

[crude geode]

nobody remembers classic yo-yo it's fine

[dense locust]

I remember it specifically because of chik

not that I've ever ussed chik I just found it weird that it was a weapon upgrade in vanilla

that isnt like

[tired haven]

Unrelated but it's so funny to me that out of all yoyos wooden yoyo is the most unique because it's the only crafting material and because of high recoil on hit it plays differently compared to any other yoyo that's not terrarian

[dense locust]

nights edge line

[crude geode]

fr, it's so weird

[novel belfry]

or that calamity acid rain one

[crude geode]

I also think if you use yo-yos, you're actually a federal agent, but that's a conversation for another day

[novel belfry]

that has a goofy mechanic

[frail fox]

Vanilla donor items

[crude geode]

quite literally

[distant gyro]

i think if you use yoyos you are easily swayed by the products of capitalism

[crude geode]

that too

if you use a meowmere irl are you swayed by capitalism or cats

[tired haven]

And in the best spirit of donor items it's blatant self-promo

[distant gyro]

🔥

[crude geode]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[frail fox]

At least it’s not a reference to another game, I think

[dense locust]

yet

[crude geode]

no, that's what the sdmg is for

[distant gyro]

crossover yoyo

[frail fox]

John Capitalism

[crude geode]

bridget guilty gear in MY terraria?!

holy based

[tired haven]

well, we already have the potion at least

[crude geode]

very true

resource pack to rename gender change potion to brisket potion when

[dense locust]

brisket
like the food?

[crude geode]

it's a meme, batman

we should probably stop shitposting in sugg discussion

[dense locust]

whatever do you mean

[distant gyro]

i read that and was like yeah thats gonna be added irl

[crude geode]

yharim's stimulants readded as yharimine's hrt

[frail fox]

So what your saying is to suggest readding yharim stims clearly

[crude geode]

yes exactly, but we need to rename it to his testosterone

and then have calamitas' hrt

[frail fox]

Surely this will make people fight scal first

I should make another suggestion at some point

[distant gyro]

go

[crude geode]

be free

[frail fox]

Rework x

[crude geode]

[distant gyro]

nvm go back

[dense locust]

done, its now replaced with z or s as required
alphabet v1.6 will be launching later this summer

[crude geode]

add more x

[distant gyro]

xone

[frail fox]

Thanks for doing this

Idk I’ll probably make something up tomorrow though, probably a boss suggestion because it seems like every weapon suggestion I could do will happen at some point anyway/has plans

[distant gyro]

probably a good idea to not make a suggestion about weapons

at least specific ones the hit rate is quite low

[frail fox]

Rework this one weapon even though it’s definitely getting reworked in the future anyway

Remove ballista though there’s my real suggestion

[floral dirge]

[keen zodiac]

W

[gilded citrus]

My thoughts exactly, i noticed i can aim it within like seconds of using it

[fleet grotto]

reversion suggestion; it can't go back to Twitter

[indigo yacht]

remove x

[indigo yacht]

Add more (optional, non-progression) encrypted schematics

The Codebreaker's decryption mechanic is a very interesting one that is used solely for progressing to the Exo Mechs boss fight. The player is required to decrypt 5 mandatory schematics in order to beat the game, and that's the extent of use the mechanic sees.

Adding more optional to decrypt schematics would help to flesh out the mechanic more, and add more uses for Draedon Power Cells throughout a playthrough. Additionally, it would make the Codebreaker feel more multifaceted and interesting like it was intended to be, and less like an instrument solely to get to Exo Mechs - as it stands, it does 3 things, and two are at the end of the game.

What the schematics would actually give could be anything, maybe crafting materials, money, or even lore for those who are interested. Alternatively, they could unlock new Draedon items like crafting recipes for furniture (or already existing arsenal gear could be moved onto them, such as the current weapons or the turrets).

@elfin pier this is the channel for talking about suggestions

[elfin pier]

oh sorry

[prisma sedge]

Seems pretty solid honestly

[indigo yacht]

but anyways that's precisely why it should be on be default, so that people don't need to know random specific terraria classification or the config in order to not have to waste hours of time

(you probably should delete your messages in #suggestions-posting to help keep the channel clear)

[indigo yacht]

i want to emphasize that the codebreaker does 3 things and two of them are basically just boss summons, with one of them having some equipment thrown in on the side ("forced" onto the player)

[severe sparrow]

I also like the Codebreaker's look in builds

[prisma sedge]

Honestly yeah, I'd say you got that across pretty elegantly! It's a good example of pointing out a limitation in something without sounding like you're complaining about it

[indigo yacht]

alright

i really like the potential of the codebreaker so i want it to do more

i also had an idea to let it locate nearby abandoned labs to help make the optional schematics not rng to find but that would be a bit much for one suggestion lol

now do i wait until Tomorrow to make this or do i not care

[errant wren]

i can post it and have everything be attributed to me

[indigo yacht]

robbery...

[elfin pier]

ok

someone already deleted it

i thought calamity just changed it on revengeance and that its not a config

[indigo yacht]

no reasoning

[fleet grotto]

(@.nvicky.)

fuck???

it doesn't work...

[indigo yacht]

what doesnt work

[devout rivet]

???

[fleet grotto]

ihate discord sometimes

[fleet grotto]

this

[indigo yacht]

oh

[fleet grotto]

anyways yeah your suggestion needs reasoning

[devout rivet]

just be like

<@ 1352762911529107557> no space

[fleet grotto]

yes!

[devout rivet]

about what

[fleet grotto]

why npcs should be bug-nettable

[devout rivet]

ill add some references

[whole tundra]

What would you need it for

[drowsy plank]

@devout rivet download fargo's mutant mod

[devout rivet]

who changed my nickname

[devout rivet]

i did

its not compatible with calamity

npcs

i also have quality of terraria

[indigo yacht]

the suggestion doesn't break any rules that i can see besides maybe srs

[devout rivet]

i would send a video but i was randomly warned for no reason and lost perms

[indigo yacht]

I don't think "another mod exists that does the same thing" is grounds for an exclamation mark

[devout rivet]

yeah i was gonna edit and say make it toggleable

[indigo yacht]

that's not what i refer to

[devout rivet]

oh

[grim tusk]

no reasoning whatsoever

[indigo yacht]

is that not just 🗜️

[grim tusk]

no

[glass arch]

🗜️ is for incorrect formatting

[grim tusk]

🗜️ is wrong formatting

[devout rivet]

i edited it

[upbeat tundra]

How about we improve Calamity by just integrating qol mods in?

[glass arch]

or excessive length

[drowsy plank]

it definetly is and we've done it before; simply stating that it's out of the scope of calamity. the same reason calamity doesn't need its own boss checklist or recipe browser

also like shade said, no reasoning

[grim tusk]

^

[glass arch]

we do not need everything to be centralized in one mod

[grim tusk]

also npcs arent that problematic to move with cosmolight being a thing

[devout rivet]

wait so are there mods that affect calamity npcs too

[indigo yacht]

I don't feel like getting in a discussion about the scope of calamity because it is very inconsistent and seems to change often

[upbeat tundra]

I should’ve put /s

[devout rivet]

because mutant mod doesnt do it

[glass arch]

see the entire discussion we had last night about it

[upbeat tundra]

I was joking

[indigo yacht]

I'll say that i do not care for this suggestion though

it's pointless

also there's still no reasoning

you're supposed to be arguing why your suggestion should be implemented, not how

[glass arch]

mod compat also isnt that great of an argument unless its compat that goes for much more than just one mod

[indigo yacht]

just download souls dlc im sure that it lets you bug net cal npcs

[devout rivet]

it doesnt

[upbeat tundra]

I feel like lots of people upload individual features as separate mods anyway

[devout rivet]

also i shouldnt need a whole content mod for 1 qol feature

they should just add it as a toggleable feature already

[indigo yacht]

you're aware that npcs teleport to their homes at night right

and calamity has an item that lets you make it night on a whim

[upbeat tundra]

Like I bet there’s already a capture npc mod of some kind

[indigo yacht]

why

you still haven't said why calamity specifically should add this

besides that it doesn't work with a completely different mod that not everyone uses

[glass arch]

remember: mod compat is not a good argument unless its a change that broadly affects compatibility

[indigo yacht]

whats overdone cooking

[glass arch]

a suggestion of some kind or another

[indigo yacht]

true

[whole tundra]

But what would you use it for

Transporting calamity npcs between different worlds? Just use cheat sheet to spawn them in

[devout rivet]

no its for housing control and stuff

[glass arch]

you

have that built in

[devout rivet]

the same reason mutant has it

[indigo yacht]

.

[gilded citrus]

Housing control is easy…

[whole tundra]

With the ability to make NPCs spawn at night and at 10x the normal rate, yeah

[glass arch]

npcs teleport home and theres a whole ass menu for it too

[indigo yacht]

there's even a vanilla feature for moving NPCs around

yeah

[devout rivet]

thats not why

[whole tundra]

I need a modded thing for something which vanilla does

[devout rivet]

i dont have an issue bringing them home

im saying we should be able to completely remove them at will with a bug net

[gilded citrus]

You can easily re assign them to different houses

[devout rivet]

nah

[whole tundra]

The issue you are experiencing is a lack of being able to build shoeboxes

[devout rivet]

i want to use the bug net method

[gilded citrus]

They come back like in mutant mod

[glass arch]

except that doesnt do that

they still move back in even if you have the item

[devout rivet]

it does

[grim tusk]

it doesnt

[gilded citrus]

It doesnt stop them from moving in

[devout rivet]

how you finna tell me what i use it for

[grim tusk]

the bug net just deletes them and gives you the npc as an item

[whole tundra]

Moving npcs around

[devout rivet]

the point is that you get new npcs to move in very easily by removing the old ones

[glass arch]

nasty cholla

[devout rivet]

instead of having to build 7 houses

[indigo yacht]

flymeal

[devout rivet]

everytime you beat 1 boss

[whole tundra]

At the very least, build shoeboxes

[gilded citrus]

Nasty cholla

[indigo yacht]

lava

sand

[whole tundra]

Slick Cane (for Tax Collector)

[indigo yacht]

Literally just build more houses

[grim tusk]

voodoo doll (guide and clothier)

[gilded citrus]

Guide voodoo doll

[devout rivet]

yeah thats the point of qol no shit

so you dont have to slave away building

[indigo yacht]

you're ignoring everything else that people said

[grim tusk]

a shoebox takes like 1 minute to make

and less to tear down

[glass arch]

a shoebox takes like under 30 seconds to make including the time it takes to craft the shit

[prisma sedge]

Honestly, if anything, it'd probably be better to add an option that lets you kill NPCs with any weapon if you turn it on, if this really is an issue

[indigo yacht]

((just use fargos mutant for an instahouse))

[grim tusk]

speedrun houses take like 15 seconds

[whole tundra]

You can also use other mods like cheat sheet to clone your already built shoeboxes

[indigo yacht]

me when i misclick with supernova

[whole tundra]

You can also spawn a worm boss

[glass arch]

spawn destroyer you will no longer have to worry about npcs

[grim tusk]

any exhumed weapon

[indigo yacht]

lmao

[devout rivet]

what that gotta do with me

its a qol feature

[errant wren]

new super voodoo doll when it

[devout rivet]

you can literally just place instahouses in mutant mod yet they still have the bug net feature

theres no reason calamity shouldnt

[grim tusk]

that doesnt make sense to add and would be more effort than its worth

[whole tundra]

If you hate losing 15 seconds, you genuinely shouldn't be playing the game

[errant wren]

especially considering the options

[grim tusk]

the bug net method is more so you can craft npcs into rare items

[indigo yacht]

this is true

[prisma sedge]

Counterpoint: FMM is a heavily QoL based mod

Calamity is not

[grim tusk]

the npcs that dont have any were added for consistency

[devout rivet]

it has different uses

[crude geode]

lies

[grim tusk]

truth

[drowsy plank]

I FIGURED IT OUT I WAS RIGHT

[whole tundra]

Counterpoint: The configs

[gilded citrus]

Wha

[drowsy plank]

@devout rivet download the DLC and you can bugnet them with fargos

[prisma sedge]

Eugh, the dreaded configs...

[drowsy plank]

you need the compatability DLC for calamity along with fargo's mutant tho

so we don't need to add this to base calamity 👍

[devout rivet]

true but thats because calamity already has different mods to do that job for them

im saying the one qol feature that no mod has done for calamity yet

should be implemented into calamity

[gilded citrus]

Fargos dlc

[whole tundra]

Fargos DLC

[grim tusk]

that already has

[prisma sedge]

Exactly, it's not Calamity's job, and other mods already do that

[drowsy plank]

i just told you fargos DLC does it

[glass arch]

tmodloader players will do anything but play the game

[devout rivet]

why would i download an entire content mod for literally 1 feature

that makes 0 sense

[drowsy plank]

it's not a content mod

[whole tundra]

It's not even DLC

You use mutant

[drowsy plank]

it is a compatability mod

[grim tusk]

anyways insert Rover’s quote here

[devout rivet]

yeah and it needs souls to be active

[drowsy plank]

you use DLC and mutant together and you can bugnet NPCs from calamity

[devout rivet]

no shit

[drowsy plank]

no it doesnt

[devout rivet]

it requires souls

[glass arch]

🐌 #suggestions-discussion message

[drowsy plank]

im literally running it right now what the fuck are you talking about

I WORK ON FARGOS

[novel belfry]

I dont like downloading DLC cause last time i used it, im pretty sure it literally kept doing the balance thing it does even outside the difficulty modes that DLC adds

[grim tusk]

thats a different dlc

[novel belfry]

i dunno if it changed, i havent touched dlc in a hot bit

[errant wren]

this conversation will be over in 3 fargo minutes don't worry

[drowsy plank]

wait im stupid

[devout rivet]

"fargos souls mod"

thats a content mod

[drowsy plank]

it did load souls lmao

[devout rivet]

im not adding an entire content mod

[glass arch]

girl

[drowsy plank]

;ldfskg;jlsfkdjhl;kdfhj

im so put together rn

still it doesnt make sense for calamity to do this itself when you cant even bugnet normal NPCs

[errant wren]

cog just set themselves back 70 years

[drowsy plank]

lo

[indigo yacht]

i still dont see how bug netting npcs matters in the slightest

[devout rivet]

yeah thats why i wanted a toggle able feature

[drowsy plank]

why

[devout rivet]

for people who want it and people who dont

[drowsy plank]

that doesnt make any sense

[indigo yacht]

it's a lot of effort for a feature that's incredibly easy to do in like 15 other ways

[errant wren]

yeah it just isn't. necessary

ever

[indigo yacht]

guys we should add it as a config option

[prisma sedge]

Yeah, like...there's so many less silly and generally simpler ways to get rid of NPCs you don't want

[drowsy plank]

honestly im more confused why the DLC lets you bugnet calamity npcs but you need souls to do it too

feel like there has to be some way to get them to work without that...

[prisma sedge]

Why do we need to collect the people?

[errant wren]

unless cal adds rare drops to NPCs

[devout rivet]

theres not

[grim tusk]

ask Jayvz to put it into main fargos mutant

[devout rivet]

souls is literally the only

[drowsy plank]

not talking to you im talking about

[indigo yacht]

i mean dlc is meant to be for souls so that's probably just an included bug fix

[drowsy plank]

yeah that

[devout rivet]

already made it a suggestion

i posted in 2 servers

[grim tusk]

alr good, cuz we aint adding this

[devout rivet]

collecting them isnt killing them just storing them in your inventory

[devout rivet]

who is we

youre a moderator not a dev

lmao

[indigo yacht]

@novel belfry i dont like this but valid suggestion

[glass arch]

shade is in fact both

[novel belfry]

fair

[grim tusk]

I am both a mod and a dev

[indigo yacht]

did you check their roles

[devout rivet]

oh shit

[novel belfry]

h

[devout rivet]

i request @hollow shell

[errant wren]

guess shade isn't a dev anymore

[indigo yacht]

oh i forgot you did defiled

[indigo yacht]

not sure how

[grim tusk]

the legendary 1.4.4 supernova + GoR + Old die nohit

[indigo yacht]

insane

[grim tusk]

pre-nerf Old die was so batshit insane

[devout rivet]

we should add what overdone said as a master mode buff

when it comes out

[dense locust]

increased damage variance right?

[indigo yacht]

calamity actually nerfs most master mode enemies

[dense locust]

or something else

[grim tusk]

yes

[indigo yacht]

10% less damage and/or 25% less health iirc

[devout rivet]

theyre in the process of reworking the bosses so might as well not

[dense locust]

:(

[devout rivet]

like for master mode buffs

apply them to enemies too

[indigo yacht]

wait what how many fucking friends does vicki have
im looking through mutual friends of people in this channel and shes there in half of them

lmao

[grim tusk]

used to be +30/-25 then nerfed to +15/-15

oh and it could reroll rogue dmg to be favorable just how luck does in vanilla

then reworked cuz it was busted

[frail fox]

Beware The Wand + Brimflame + Old die

[drowsy plank]

@novel belfry the nerfs are, presumably, because you can't just get titanum and adamantite immediately anymore

[grim tusk]

i made that combo too

[drowsy plank]

i feel like you should mention that somewhere

because otherwise the enemies are just gonna be a lot harder than the gear at that tier expects for not much of a reason

[indigo yacht]

maybe they could remove the nerfs after killing 1 mech?

[devout rivet]

cool and thats compensation by tons of other options

[drowsy plank]

isnt that what is being implied here

[devout rivet]

like mollusk and stuff

[grim tusk]

that could work

[frail fox]

A menace

[devout rivet]

bingo

[indigo yacht]

the mech bosses themselves already have less hp and damage (although honestly it's negligible)

[hollow shell]

I am not a dev :3

Unless you meant something else

[drowsy plank]

happens to nerf Hardmode enemy stats prior to killing any Hardmode boss
i mean i thought they were saying this was already how it worked

if they don't revert after killing a boss then yeah i could see it

since at that point it would be more managable

[indigo yacht]

they're nerfed at all times

they don't ever get unnerfed

[upbeat tundra]

I feel like the real suggestion should be to make the pre-boss nerfs toggleable in the config (if it isn’t already)

[glass arch]

i think what could happen is just

reducing the nerf

[grim tusk]

before being a tester I used to be nohitter labrat.

Then I quit nohitting and just used my skills to find busted stuff to rebalance items, eventually making my own reworks

[indigo yacht]

nohitting 🥀

[hollow shell]

No.

Well

[drowsy plank]

honestly i thought this was already in the plans anyway

[dense locust]

hitnoing

[novel belfry]

Hilariously, after... the incident, I didn't know that Rover was amongst the devs who left, because he was a Mod. And Mod roles, as nvicky found out the hard way, overrides that Dev role, so I didn't know that until quite a bit afterwards.

[drowsy plank]

it's pretty well known non-boss enemies are a bit of a pushover atm

[novel belfry]

my sugg is too big

[keen zodiac]

config hell part 2 baybee

[glass arch]

so like the enemies are still nerfed but to a lesser extent than currently because atm its horrifically easy

[hollow shell]

It's a matter that concerns combat balancing so making it a config is very questionable

[indigo yacht]

to be honest

i could get behind buffing master mode enemies substantially

[errant wren]

hardmode progression rework config when it

[grim tusk]

people will always pick the easiest option

assuming they read configs

[dense locust]

"make summon penalty a config" type suggs

[hollow shell]

Wait if the reason it's nerfed is because of the Early HM- yeah

[devout rivet]

do you agree with my suggestion to make calamity npcs bugnettable with a toggle feature since there are currently no other qol mods that allow that apart from souls dlc which requires a separate content mod

[hollow shell]

Can't it be tied to the same config?

[dense locust]

I mean hm rework is objectively harder with it on and people still play with it enabled

[upbeat tundra]

I thought most balancing-based vanilla changes were added to the config anyway. Hardmode ore and speed overhaul are toggleable

[indigo yacht]

i was playing with a friend and we had literally nothing at all besides tools and it was really not difficult to get anything done (besides walking around)

[hollow shell]

wdym "which requires a separate content mod"
Does 'Souls DLC' already let you bug net Cal NPCs?

[indigo yacht]

i believe the former is primarily for other mods

[drowsy plank]

yes

[glass arch]

yes

[hollow shell]

Ok

[grim tusk]

is it?

[indigo yacht]

10%/5% less health and damage might as well not exist im ngl

it's so negligible

[glass arch]

yeh

[devout rivet]

yeah but requires souls as a dependency

[dense locust]

it effectively just makes your first mech equivilent to your third
and then you have post mechs gear for the other 2
and then you can use ada gear for alts

[drowsy plank]

the main issue was that souls DLC needs DLC and souls but apparently there's a modcall that cal could add so that mutant could do it alone, so we're handling that rn

[glass arch]

its for widely reaching compat

[frail fox]

Used to be 20% them 10% but now it’s not yeah

[hollow shell]

I can see the issue cuz DLC is not a QoL mod
but also

It was never Calamity itself that made NPCs nettable in the first place

This isn't Calamity's "problem" to fix.
Someone should just make a tiny QoL mod that does this

[cloud surge]

There is a mod call in mutant mod that allows other mods to add caught npcs, cal can use this if they want to have compat (yell at me to fix the call if it doesnt work im not confident in it). And ill also remove dlc adding them ourselves if cal does that

[devout rivet]

can you guys upvote my suggestion in fargos server then

[grim tusk]

ah true, forgot about being able to use Ada gear on biome bitches (they have not been mech alts for years now)

[glass arch]

hi agla

[devout rivet]

for mutant mod to add compatibility for calamity npcs

[grim tusk]

i will take a look into it

[glad tundra]

no

[indigo yacht]

I'd make a suggestion about buffing master mode enemies bc of how much insane equipment players get but it has not been 24 hours since last night and also nobody would vote for that

[drowsy plank]

that is true

[upbeat tundra]

Netting Npcs is such a niche thing anyway. Like 99% of the time shoebox + house assign fixes your problem. Or just summon destroyer and realign stuff

[indigo yacht]

i need to stop staying up so late

[dense locust]

I would vote for it :)

[drowsy plank]

but also im sure a substantial amount of stuff is getting nerf (looking at you amal brain) next update anyway

[drowsy plank]

what time is it for you

[indigo yacht]

<3

[dense locust]

amalbrain is getting like -3% damage at most lets be real

[upbeat tundra]

No please i crutch them so hard

[indigo yacht]

4:55pm

i was up until i think 4am last night though

[drowsy plank]

OH

okay yeah that would do it

[frail fox]

This but for all enemies

[dense locust]

unless they just decide to shoot it which would be valid honestly

[indigo yacht]

fair

[frail fox]

Please

[grim tusk]

amal brain, ink bomb line (same problem as amal brain lol, and coin line but we cant kill coin line yet), and uhh

[hollow shell]

Never in my life did I think I would see someone asking to make the 3x enemy damage & health mode harder

[drowsy plank]

isnt brain getting reworked outright

[dense locust]

I have heard nothing of the sort

[devout rivet]

notice how overdone didnt need any argument for his suggestion

[frail fox]

What would brain even get reworked to I wonder

Well

[dense locust]

I know rotten brain is getting buffed but I didnt hear rework ever

[grim tusk]

second paragraph

[frail fox]

Ideally rework rotten brain first yeah

[indigo yacht]

for a large number of enemies it's only 2.7x damage and 2.25x health iirc, and since calamity gives you so many powerful weapons and movement tools and massively improves tank capabilities you can quite easily dodge or tank or just straight up kill everything

[devout rivet]

he is right tho objectively it makes no sense to make master mode so easy

[grim tusk]

now gives actual brain rot

[indigo yacht]

tbf you do need to be good/knowledgeable about the game to do that

but also

it's master mode

[grim tusk]

tralalero tralala vs bombardiro cocodrilo

[indigo yacht]

you're supposed to be good/knowledgeable about the game if you're playing master

[drowsy plank]

calamity already targets some notoriously bad enemies

we probably dont need the blanket nerf