suggestions-discussion

[indigo yacht]

you're missing my point

[fathom sequoia]

i understand ur point

[dense ferry]

The nefarious zerg potion

[fathom sequoia]

im just making my own point that certain things are much easier to avoid than others

[dense ferry]

Anyways I already talked about this but it is fundamentally impossible to "nerf" money without completely overhauling the system

[indigo yacht]

that doesn't really mean "just trash the boss money lol" is a reasonable response to someone mentioning that they drop too much

[tepid crown]

hey reb can u 🔒 react the most recent sugg in voting? altix alr mentioned some changes have alr been done

[median scaffold]

You know what

[dense ferry]

You had a money problem? Cool! You don't after you killed Evils 1 due to how much money you get from selling the ores

[median scaffold]

Pick up a coin and you die

[indigo yacht]

all enemies spawned while the player has a zerg potion active only drop 1/10th as much money 🙏

[median scaffold]

[indigo yacht]

that'll fix it

[dense ferry]

And that's not talking about Death Mode Blood Moon, using Zerg Potions anywhere, Boss money rewards, just fucking selling items

[tepid crown]

drink it. allow enemies to spawn. remove the buff

done

[crude geode]

Truly the terrarian is the 1%

[indigo yacht]

no add a flag to global npc and if an npc spawns while the player has a zerg active then the flag is set to true and it cannot be changed back

[dense ferry]

People need to stop trying to "fix" Terraria for fuck's sake

[indigo yacht]

TRUE

[crude geode]

Real

[median scaffold]

We should kill fixers

Oops, killed testers
Nvm

[crude geode]

[tepid crown]

well u see, we just need to increase the drop chance of rare items. this will cause a snowball effect. less people will go on for long grinding times for rare items and therefore will pick up less coins and therefore the money economy can return

[dense ferry]

Even in Vanilla money becomes basically worthless after you beat any Boss

Because, shocker

There's nothing that's actually worth buying past early game there

[indigo yacht]

I don't grind enemies ever and still wind up with like 8 plat preboss

just sell stuff you get while expiring

[dense ferry]

Aside from very minor stuff here and there

[indigo yacht]

it adds up fast

[tepid crown]

i do love it when i expire

[dense ferry]

Calamity adds some stuff like the Bandit and alcohols sure but like

Be real with yourself

[indigo yacht]

your best by date was yesterday im afraid

[dense ferry]

How much money do you spend buying things and how much money do you spend reforging things in Vanilla?

[tepid crown]

[errant wren]

nine billion trillion platinum

[dense ferry]

Calamity simply doesn't have a gigantic money sink like the reforge system, so you always feel like you have way too much money

[indigo yacht]

fair

[dense ferry]

And that's for the better

[tepid crown]

too little. too much.

[errant wren]

calamity should have gambling

[dense ferry]

Because I think we all know how people like the reforge system, I hope

[indigo yacht]

that's called Destroyer

[tepid crown]

its great!

[dense ferry]

This but unironically

[errant wren]

we need to add slot machines that don't give you anything useful

[dense ferry]

Ok kinda ironically

[errant wren]

like bunny banners

[dense ferry]

Byeah like

Sure Cal's economy is broken

But I think people prefer not having to grind money for reforges over needing to spend 30 Platinum for an optimal weapon

You could say "but Cal needs to be less Boss centric!!"

Yeah, we do

Making the player grind for money is not the solution

Like, ah yes Cal needs to be less Boss centric

[drowsy plank]

rebecca should i 🔒 this post

i need a response because im not a dev

[dense ferry]

Let's make so Minibosses only drop 1 Endothermic Energy

[oblique birch]

I need money to buy torches

[dense ferry]

Idk honestly

[frail fox]

Mod saved

[glass arch]

my main thing with bosses dropping so much money is just

how little setup it requires

[dense ferry]

Ok, Zerg Potions

Blood Moons

Selling anything

These all require even less setup

[crude geode]

it’s been discussed by Altix and Doze as needing one

[drowsy plank]

no u need to be the one to do it

devs do locks

[tepid crown]

altix alr responded with changes that were apparently alr done

[crude geode]

Makes sense, will wait on them then

[glass arch]

like i wont say that hypermaxxed blood moon zerg astral farms dont get you a fuckload of money but those also require setup

[indigo yacht]

as someone who typically makes a blood moon farm as soon as one occurs naturally, it takes like 30 seconds

[median scaffold]

I would argue with that, because if you want to sell items, you'll need a setup regardless, or you'll get the NPC spawn rates penalty

[indigo yacht]

in earlygame just placing a bucket of lava and making sure there's no outcroppings for flying enemies to get stuck on is enough

mine under the lava and then everything dies

[half imp]

yes. plans that relate to it have already been put into effect for sso iirc

[errant cradle]

.

[half imp]

oh

so true

ok

[crude geode]

The one in voting

[indigo yacht]

if you want to say that getting the lava that earlier is setup, i mean sure i can't really argue with that, although you can just go to the planetoid lab

[tepid crown]

take a deep breather doze

u can do it

[whole tundra]

I think you locked the wrong post

[tepid crown]

[glass arch]

[errant wren]

amazing

[half imp]

oh

that applies too

[drowsy plank]

@half imp ohhhh, so close but that's #suggestions-posting not #suggestions-voting

[half imp]

but yeah

i uh

[drowsy plank]

okie

[half imp]

sorry i got distracted

[drowsy plank]

if you can confirm that i will lock it when it gets into voting too

i can do it if a dev gives me the go ahead

[grave zinc]

@silver bramble - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Nerf money severely]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[errant wren]

[tepid crown]

yay!!!

[errant wren]

there you go

[half imp]

i am working on the sytem to make armor more obvious right now, so yeah

i can

[drowsy plank]

aight

[idle dagger]

Oh yeah @indigo yacht I heard that they may change weaver to just not have the armour anymore

I fully agree that right now it’s not clear what you’re supposed to do with weaver, first playthrough I got owned hard by weaver because I had no idea until I looked it up

I’m not sure if the idea of changing weaver is An Idea or actual plans so I don’t think it conflicts with the suggestion but I thought I might as well let you know

[hearty yew]

@dense locust Did you make the Ruthless suggestion?

If so, would you be alright if I implemented that by making Ruthless only an option if you currently have 100% crit for that weapon class, at time of reforge?

So you have to "prove" your 100% crit before it'll give you ruthless as optimal

[dense locust]

yeah that works

[drowsy plank]

@hearty yew is this being implemented rn or in the future then? so like ✅ or 🏁

[hearty yew]

yeah I'm about to do it right now

short circuit with 🏁

it's like 2 lines of code

[errant wren]

#suggestions-posting message i see no problem with this being added but also i have literally never seen anyone with this issue

[echo leaf]

I haven't either until someone said it was problematic to them specifically

[errant wren]

can't wait for the sugg to get one calbillion votes 🙏

[gritty plaza]

It would be nice

miracle fruit hearts are nicer than elderberry imo

and ethereal core stars are nicer than phantom heart

[hearty yew]

@dense locust

This is the only codepath that doesn't end in Legendary, Unreal, Mythical, Flawless, or is a summon weapon.

Legendary, Unreal, Mythical and Flawless are optimal over Ruthless due to use time which always rounds down.

Summon weapons already have Ruthless as an option.

[novel belfry]

Legendary can be applied to spears... and yet you wont let me have my Legendary Brimlance?
how dare you

[hearty yew]

vanilla consistency

legendary works on spears

they attack faster and are larger

it works perfectly

but it's not implemented in vanilla

for whatever reason

anyway I'll consider this request completed

[errant wren]

just reverse that, obviously

[grave zinc]

@dense locust - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[allow ruthless to be a final reforge for more weapons]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[dense locust]

yipeee

[gritty plaza]

🔥

[indigo yacht]

why

[maiden quartz]

[grave zinc]

@indigo yacht - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Communicate the target in Storm Weaver Phase 1 more clearly]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[half imp]

I implemented a modified version

[indigo yacht]

idk what that means but cool

[half imp]

it means this is going to happen

[frail fox]

Summoner debuffs jumpscare

[indigo yacht]

incredible

[fleet grotto]

idont know how much this is going to help

it still looks pretty dang unassuming

[half imp]

i mean.. if your damage numbers are all grey and 1 i think you'll figure out pretty quick something's up

especially when hitting the tail makes normal color ones

[fleet grotto]

oh i didn't even notice that lmao

carry o

n

[half imp]

oh lol

[tepid crown]

clearly we need to make non tail segments in p1 immune to all debuffs too

[half imp]

that can be arranged

[maiden quartz]

Yeah, the grey damage is a good indication

[errant wren]

what if we also had the weak point change to different parts so you have variety

terrible idea

[indigo yacht]

every frame it chooses a random segment

[echo leaf]

make storm weaver like thanatos

randomly chosen segments are vulnerable

[errant wren]

that. yeah

that's probably the best execution for my purposefully bad idea

[tough ledge]

that's a GFB type change breh

assuming it changes every now and again

[echo leaf]

nuh uh

[tough ledge]

oh it's a per frame thing oops I didn't read up there

[half imp]

i have to constantly hold myself back from adding gfb changes

[cold cosmos]

No please add more GFB changes

They’re really funny

[half imp]

I have

Just not nearly as many as I've considered doing

[oblique birch]

That's fast

[vestal crater]

Hell yeah

[indigo yacht]

you know, something similar to resistances is just

defense

weapons with a low base damage kind of get screwed over by it, so it's effectively like certain bosses resisting them

[coral carbon]

people dont like the different colors?

[drowsy plank]

i think it's more than some people have a preference to a certain style, which is something even vanilla doesnt provide access to

if you wanted to go back to red hearts after getting max life fruit, or wanted to use elderberry's style because you like blue or something idk, it doesnt feel like a crazy request

[echo leaf]

it's a really minor and presumably simple ask

but it's also completely inconsequential so ?????

[gritty plaza]

Icicle arrow pilled

[novel belfry]

im gonna go make a suggestion rn to add more calamity debuff flasks because uh, there's only three of them

[maiden quartz]

flask of god slayer flames 🟣 🔥

[echo leaf]

I dunno if the devs are interested in further developing the debuff system but if they are then i’m down

[echo leaf]

taking the crown from flask of holy flames as the worst debuff flask

[maiden quartz]

[gaunt needle]

flask of nanomachines (inflicts the nanomachines effect from draedon's heart on enemies)

[humble scarab]

i would love to play as a class around debuffs

[novel belfry]

ah yes, pre-Endwalker ffxiv summoner be like:

[gaunt needle]

Adding more flasks for the various Calamity debuffs could not add more variety to an underutilized mechanic
@novel belfry you meant "could not only add", right?

[novel belfry]

oyea

thanks for pointing that out

[maiden quartz]

haha

[echo leaf]

They exist already

Debuff builds are in heaven in pre-HM and early-HM

[violet zephyr]

Summoner.

[echo leaf]

later on they start to fall off and/or become significantly more complicated but still exist

The Catalyst devs that made the mod to readd Astrageldon used a debuff build to beat its RDR by about 18 seconds

[indigo yacht]

fair enough

[indigo yacht]

wow ‼️

it only took an entire specialized build ‼️

debuff builds are interesting though i should try them sometime

the problem is just that master mode health scaling is extremely brutal on debuffs since you can't easily increase damage by just, getting a better weapon or using different reforges or buffs or whatever

[echo leaf]

an entire specialized build and three minutes of weapon switching hell

[glass arch]

clearly the solution is % based damage

[idle dagger]

big fan of the more flasks sugg

[prisma sedge]

Same, honestly a fan of flasks in general since unlike most potions, they force you to pick one effect and roll with it

[worthy lintel]

where's my miracle blight flask

[indigo yacht]

💔

flask of riptide

[tardy geyser]

Cal adds a great debuff system and yet there are only flasks for heat and sickness

[errant wren]

waiting for flask of [the debuff to bosses that yanmei's knife inflicts]

[violet zephyr]

Kami Flu.

[gilded citrus]

Thats called pot of pain

[median scaffold]

It would be only the second worst!

[novel belfry]

Flask of Banishing Fire

[golden sonnet]

Flask of stoned

[echo leaf]

I suggested a post-Plantera electrical debuff flask some time ago

Wonder what the devs think of it

[indigo yacht]

kind of random but an electric debuff would be interesting

[median scaffold]

Non-fire / non-sickness debuffs waiting to get some love and attention:

[indigo yacht]

consider: transformer synergy

[median scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/nowhere-desert-highway-gif-13971394

[drowsy plank]

god we need electric flasks SO bad

[echo leaf]

pt_pray

[oblique birch]

Static Discharge flask

[errant wren]

carpet block and sock accessory

[tardy geyser]

tesla potion flask

10 of the 11 flasks are pre golem lo

[half imp]

it's on the list of things I wanna look into

which is a long list

but it's there

[echo leaf]

Oh rad, good to hear

as long as it gets added before the heat death of the universe i'm hapy

lemStare

[floral dirge]

I've been thinking of making a suggestion for having the altar of the accursed display arena boundaries if the ruler is enabled. Should I commit?

[indigo yacht]

sure

sounds like a useful feature

not like people use the ruler anyways

[drowsy plank]

didnt that already pass

[grave zinc]

@river glen - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Resistances that are like 70%+ should have a diff sound to indicate that this wepaon is kinda doing much less]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[half imp]

forgot to lock that earlier

when i showed the storm weaver stuff

[prisma sedge]

Honestly, part of me wonders if my suggestion actually has a chance to get in when the next batch is sent over
I'm not too invested either way, but it'd be kind of cool if any suggestion of mine were to

[novel belfry]

its definitely better written than mine thats for certain

[prisma sedge]

Honestly, I'd say the contrary there, I tend to have trouble getting across ideas like that without getting too wordy with them or just using words that don't get the idea across too well, and with yours, I feel like it does a decently good job of selling your idea

[novel belfry]

well, it's got 10 more votes than mine, so something about yours was clearly more enticing than mine

[prisma sedge]

Maybe just the fact that it's more generalized, since not everyone's really interested in playing GFB themselves

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Pot_of_Pain

[crude geode]

#suggestions-voting message

@floral dirge

[umbral gazelle]

should suggesting "Storm before the catastrophes" to play after vanilla's end credit track go to suggestion or bug report

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message im sorry its so fucking funny that minions are in quotations

these "minions" need to be dyed

[indigo yacht]

@wise echo vanilla's minion set bonus (stardust guardian) is dyed via the pet slot

[wise echo]

I have a dye on every slot

[indigo yacht]

this isn't an attempt to bug fix, I'm mentioning vanilla's solution to your suggestion

[wise echo]

Because they aren’t technically minions since they don’t take up a slot 😭

[wise echo]

Well im not using stardust guardian..

[half imp]

yeah but

it is another solution to mention

both the vanilla set bonus minions (forbidden and stardust) are chest slot dyed

[ornate magnet]

Guys my world has become a dont starve together world how can i fix this

[whole tundra]

Is it allowed to make suggestions about GFB?

[median scaffold]

Yes
Non-joke ones and with actual reasoning, of course

[whole tundra]

Alr

Will just make a concept here and post it later if tolerated

Make the Vernal Pass able to generate everywhere in GFB

You probably know what this is for. A very popular unofficial addon for Calamity known as Infernum had a problem where its own jungle sub-biome used to spawn everywhere. This would become one of the most famous issues in modded terraria history, until it got fixed. Considering this is GFB, I feel like adding this popular "issue" would be a nice addition to GFB (is there even any other reasoning for GFB other than it's a frequently made joke?).

[median scaffold]

...ehh, I think this falls under the joke suggestion category, if Vernal Pass doesn't have issues in GFB

[whole tundra]

Ig I will keep it as a concept post

[dense ferry]

Infernum had this one internal joke, so Calamity should poke fun at it

[ornate magnet]

?

[median scaffold]

That's not the channel to ask this kind of questions

Regardless, I don't really know if you can fix it
Maybe with Dragonlens?

[median scaffold]

So true, Reb

[dense ferry]

Considering Cal and its myriad addons already don't have the best of relationships, it'd be best if we didn't add a joke poking fun of a technical failure of another

[whole tundra]

alr

[novel belfry]

actually yknow what

im crazy

[royal tapir]

It was a very funny bug I'd totally do this

[indigo yacht]

speaking of bugs, i remembered something

the thing about... iirc it was enemies without contact damage not counting as hostile npcs, or something

i presume that this is at least already logged somewhere

[grave zinc]

@safe pine - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Eidolon Tablet function even if the cultists are alive at the dungeon]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@indigo yacht - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a Hallowed Rogue Helmet]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@dusky crag - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Astral and Ancient Treasure chests renewable]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@fleet grotto - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Giant Clam contact damage when not open/attacking the player]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[indigo yacht]

unless they have like 15 secret armor sets up their sleeves (which is possible) im excited for this one

[safe pine]

same hah

rogue needs a couple more armor sets

[vestal crater]

Yeah

[indigo yacht]

i mostly want an excuse to have holy dodge for rogue

i already use hallowed until post ml so it's not like i would need to change anything about that

[vestal crater]

And then it’s just doesn’t do that and is instead a clone of wooden armor

[indigo yacht]

i would explode

Remove Rogue from the game

[north oracle]

the secret armor sets that don't show up on hero's mod

[indigo yacht]

how... would this work though?

like it's a good change but that seems complicated

i guess you could just

not do anything if the cultists are onscreen and just despawn them if they're offscreen

[dusky crag]

either that or it's something like spawning the Eye with a summon even though it said "you feel an evil presence watching you..."

[indigo yacht]

that would probably break so many different things

[oblique birch]

or maybe using the Tablet kills all the cultists

make them explode violently

[indigo yacht]

mmmmm cultist soup

[median scaffold]

...and the next update Holy Dodge becomes universal instead of unique

[indigo yacht]

never playing calamity again

[vestal crater]

Yummers

[maiden quartz]

waiting for my sugg

[echo leaf]

i’m down

any reason to point and laugh at hallowed armor is good to me

[dense locust]

…why?

[echo leaf]

bad armor 👎

i dun like it

[dense locust]

Ok but why don’t you like it

Or are you just a hater by nature

[echo leaf]

just a hater

[rugged belfry]

Normalize not having a reason for things

[echo leaf]

👍

[ripe owl]

no

every time you hate a thing you must write a two-page essay on why you hate that thing

[humble scarab]

^

Its much better than the lazy just a hater

[echo leaf]

do you accept MLA or APA formatting

[drowsy plank]

MLA

write it right now or you're demoted

[indigo yacht]

you're a true melee player your opinion is irrelevant

[echo leaf]

[spice stream]

please double space it as well

[echo leaf]

Hey ChatGPT, write me a sarcastically-worded essay about why Hallowed armor is terrible

[spice stream]

loud incorrect buzzer

[errant wren]

death

[maiden quartz]

master death, even

[indigo yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1089409474160234596.png

[fleet grotto]

I asked and the result is 883 characters too many

here

[errant wren]

every part of that felt poorly written and uninformed

[indigo yacht]

it's chatgpt what more can you expect

[errant wren]

and i don't even use hallowed armor

comparing hallowed to platinum is also

i don't know how to describe it

[indigo yacht]

tactical genius

[frail fox]

Platinum almost better

[dense locust]

I know thats sarcasm but like its really not close lol

[half imp]

Ur right platinum is far better clearly

[frail fox]

Pre-nerf plat…

[spice stream]

mining speed plat my beloved

[coral carbon]

Oh, Hallowed armor, the epitome of mediocrity in Terraria's vast wardrobe. Let's dive into why this armor set is the absolute pinnacle of underwhelming design.

First off, the defense stats. With a whopping 50 defense for the melee set, it's as if the developers wanted to ensure you felt every enemy's embrace. Who needs robust protection when you can have the thrill of near-death experiences?

Then there's the "Holy Protection" set bonus. Striking an enemy grants you a buff to dodge the next attack, with a convenient 30-second cooldown. Because nothing screams reliability like a half-minute wait to maybe avoid damage.

Let's not forget the crafting requirements. A mere 54 Hallowed Bars, dropped by the mechanical bosses. So, after arduously defeating these titans, you're rewarded with armor that offers marginal benefits. Truly, a fair trade.

In conclusion, if you're aiming for an armor set that epitomizes the phrase "just okay," Hallowed armor is your go-to. Why strive for excellence when mediocrity is within easy reach?

[median scaffold]

Cite:block:research:block:1

[echo leaf]

real

Clearly this means it needs a buff

[median scaffold]

Frfr

[echo leaf]

Just give it another dodge

[coral carbon]

At least the essay I generated has factual information (as I used the search function, and it even used wiki.gg as source)

[median scaffold]

They should use Fandom, of course...

[fleet grotto]

fandom vanilla wiki is actually correct
unlike the calamity one
-# fandom is still a fuck

[median scaffold]

Yeah

[coral carbon]

200% agree, fandom can go fuck itself

[half imp]

I don't think that's enough

it should get a dodge, a reflect, a ram, and a scarf dodge

Clearly

[indigo yacht]

hallowed ram

[glass arch]

sure! enjoy the global cooldown

[river glen]

ah bummer

[half imp]

It's implemented in a different way

[median scaffold]

Gray numbers!!

[glad tundra]

i feel like thats not going to help anyone

[half imp]

what do you mean

it'll make it really obvious when you hit the right target because the hit text will be regular colored

[glad tundra]

unless its established prior that "hey the gray means less damage" then people are just going to ignore it and keep going

[drowsy plank]

why would they do that

you think people arent going to stop and think for one second why the damage numbers are suddenly all ones and a new color

[oblique birch]

if people are that stupid then it's their fault

[glad tundra]

people are already confused about the ones so instead of making it a new color why not make his weakpoint more communicated? ig the color can help a bit but theres surely a better way of communicating or executing that

why does weavers other segments take damagein that phase? he doesnt need to do that
storm weavers tail segment looks too similar to the rest of his body? maybe make his tail larger

[river glen]

oh i see

[river glen]

so is htis jsut resistances or ... how does it work

[indigo yacht]

i admit I'm not really sure how this helps show that you're supposed to attack the tail, besides of course if the player attacks every segment, but without an earlier precedent why would they do that

i think it's a good change but I'm not sure it's really sufficient

[drowsy plank]

i mean ever worm boss in the game takes more damage if you attack the head or tail... doesnt it also have a different hitsound, too? i swore DoG did something like that if you hit the head vs. the body but maybe im just misremembering

[indigo yacht]

i think dog has a different hitsound but I don't think storm weaver does

[gaunt needle]

There isn't a single worm in the game that you would realistically target the tail except the storm weaver though

[oblique birch]

DoG hitsound is the same

just the classic metal sound

[indigo yacht]

also would a player (that would need the indicator) actually know that worm bosses takes more damage at the head or tail

[royal tapir]

DoG has a different hit sound on the head and tail yes

[oblique birch]

really?

I didn't even notice it at any moments

[gaunt needle]

Also I believe vanilla worms actually have more defense on their tails than any other segments so it's actually different from other bosses

[oblique birch]

oh

maybe because my music volume always louder than everything else that's why

[royal tapir]

He does

[river glen]

but how does it work? idt i saw a changelog about it

id i really miss it

[half imp]

it's not in changelogs yet

if an enemy is considered an "armored" enemy by calamity, the hit text will be gray to make it obvious that you're not hitting their weak spot

then, when you do hit the weak spot you can tell where easier because the text will be regular colors

[drowsy plank]

i assume stuff like DoG's hitsound differences would also be used yeah? if they aren't already i mean; i dont remember

[indigo yacht]

idk I'm just saying that adding like a glowing pulse to the tail or having it change colors or something to indicate that it's unique from all the other static segments would be helpful

[river glen]

but that isnt what i meant

in the sugegstion

i wasnt talking about worm enemies or bosses who have like high asf DR and ur hitting like a point that ur not supposed to

[drowsy plank]

im gonna be honest the original idea was just a bad idea
bosses have weapon resistance because of balancing purposes, if the resist is too high, it should just be changed

otherwise people are going to look at DoG having like an 80% wave pounder resistance and think it's bad on him when it's still one of the faster weapons to kill him with for rogue

[indigo yacht]

also there's like literally 6 weapons with a 70%+ resist and 3 are on deus

[drowsy plank]

ture

a bunch of effort for an actually negative payoff

[indigo yacht]

disregarding exo mechs there's really not that many resisted weapons, maybe like... 25? for 43 bosses?

[royal tapir]

Storm Weaver's tail has a rainbow glow

[indigo yacht]

i honestly never noticed that

maybe not then

[oblique birch]

the tail always get obstructed by 1 million particles

that's probably why

[tepid crown]

homing effects also always go to the tail iirc

[river glen]

i see

[glass arch]

yes weaver does have a different hit sound on the phase 1 tail

the other segments have the generic metal clink

[olive saddle]

weaver got the I think one of the martian hit sounds on the tail and the old perf hit sounds on the body

[glass arch]

there is an important distinction

the tail hit sound is only different in phase 1

in phase 2 all segments share the same probably perfs hit sound

[olive saddle]

yep

thats what i meant

[nimble totem]

Wait it is?

[median scaffold]

No tests, sorry 💔

[nimble totem]

So it's also faster to spam than stealth... Interesting

[drowsy plank]

mightve been during a precious update

been a while since i played tbf

[royal tapir]

Cog why do you always doubt yourself

Anyway it is 80% resist in current public

Reduced to 65% in dev builds

[worthy lintel]

i think the stupid space rat should take full damage from wave pounder so he gets to experience full agony the entire way through

i yearn for the shockwave to maul his entire damn spaghetti body

[indigo yacht]

🙏

[errant wren]

something something draedon made the armor plates shockwave resistant idk

[grave zinc]

@unborn stream - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Armor Set Bonuses visible without needing to equip the full set]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[golden sonnet]

This was locked due to this feature being added in the next vanilla update

[unborn stream]

oh shoot pog

[golden sonnet]

As spoiled in Chippy's newest video

[unborn stream]

1.4.5 don't be extremely based challenge (impossible)

[echo leaf]

HELL yeah

[gilded citrus]

Dog is naked in the first phase though

[glass arch]

...actually how does this work for stuff with multiple bonuses

[gilded citrus]

Well
Is meant to be

[golden sonnet]

Maybe only shows on helmet? guess we'll find out

[cinder karma]

that's why it probably shows on helmet only

[drowsy plank]

and beetle?

[cinder karma]

beetle my ass

[drowsy plank]

it exists

[cinder karma]

i've never really used it so i don't know what's wrong with it

[drowsy plank]

its set bonus varies based on chestplate

[glass arch]

its set bonus is tied to chestplate and not helmet

[cinder karma]

shown on chestplate then prolly

[echo leaf]

They probably have a special exception

[restive wharf]

Hey

When does someone get pinged about their suggestion?

It's been about a week since I got mine into voting

[half imp]

whenever voting closes if it's accepted

[restive wharf]

Usually they notify me when it gets enough votes to pass into dev voting

I got 150 votes 😭

[half imp]

it's not number based, it's based on relative to the amount that week

[gilded citrus]

Top 20% of the stuff get into dev iirc

[restive wharf]

I'm pretty sure I got enough per week but ok

[half imp]

either way

Dev hasn't had suggestions pushed to it yet

it's been a little while

[glass arch]

yeah i just checked and that batch hasnt gone through yet

[restive wharf]

strange

[maiden quartz]

1.4.5 becomes even more based

[restive wharf]

IT LETS YOU PREVIEW SET BONUSES?!?!!

[glass arch]

yes we were literally just talking about that

[spice stream]

i hate red

[errant wren]

red is such a nice color though

[maiden quartz]

red hates you too, I just called them

[spice stream]

good

[gilded citrus]

1.5 has a lot of shit in it
Excited for the moonlord animations and the background lighting

[maiden quartz]

MOON BOULDERS 🌑 🌑 🌑

[spice stream]

gfb (god forsaken boulders)

[golden sonnet]

get fucked boulders

[maiden quartz]

RAAAAA

[rugged belfry]

gay fuckin boulders 🏳️‍🌈

[frail mantle]

good for them, good for them,

[rugged belfry]

🫶🫶_ _

[gritty plaza]

sonic is an ally?

based

[frail mantle]

always was bay bee

[worthy lintel]

sonic is an ally to everyone except his friends he crushes under his immense ego

[gritty plaza]

wait i forgot

of course sonic is an ally

him and his boyfriend shadow

[stark locust]

All we need now is a dash keybind(iirc they are working on something) and a shorter respawn time out side of bosses

For expert and master

[worn elk]

wasn't money drops from bosses already reduced at some point

[median scaffold]

At some point, yeah

[tiny minnow]

I feel like the Magic Conch/Shell Phone needs to be nerfed in bossfights

[frail mantle]

Do they really

[tired haven]

-# They would be kept in check in a diegetic way if people didnt complain about bosses despawning 100+ blocks away from you

Also generally there are so many ways to trivialize bossfights that the only standout quality shellphone has is relative ease of access, and restricting all strategies led to particularly frustrating experiences in the past

[gilded citrus]

-# plantera

[humble scarab]

never heard anyone using it against bosses

why we need to nerf everything which is used againts bosses by less than 1% people

and most bosses despawn anyways

[tired haven]

Used Recall potions on 1 hp runs versus eye of cthulhu because subphase 3 is nearly impossible to dodge
There, now you have heard it

The rest of your reasoning is entirely correct btw

[humble scarab]

i hate this part of community in which people beat very hard challenge runs and complain about every niche things which can make a fight much easier to beat

[gritty plaza]

you should remove healing potions cause they make 0 defense too easy

[distant gyro]

theres two ends coming out of those

[humble scarab]

they should remove rod of discord cuz you can dodge ml laser

[humble scarab]

someone really complained about it

[distant gyro]

its either something that makes it easy OR its something thats an inconvenience/nuisance but only for that challenge and in no other situation

[tiny minnow]

I use it against the Devourer and Exo Mechs to have a moment of peace.

And dodge laser wall.

[median scaffold]

If you're going to make this a suggestion, ask someone who has played Calamity in pre-1.5 times if Malice didn't do that already

[tiny minnow]

Ok.

[half imp]

we should just give moon lord teleport to dog/exos/anyone else who doesn't despawn with distance

problem solved

[median scaffold]

We should just kill the player instantly for using anything teleportation related

[half imp]

make shellphone give chaos state and teleport to the abyss if a boss is alive

[olive saddle]

make dog eat moon lord if you teleport at all during he bossfight an go nothing personalll kid and he eats tje bag and you're aave to pillar again

[fleet grotto]

dog gets an extra 100 hp every time this happens

[humble scarab]

Everytime you tp with schellphone, dog full heals

[maiden quartz]

Each time you use the shell phone, you get a call about your car's extended warranty

[errant wren]

every time you want to use the shell phone you have to dial its number with your real phone (it changes every time)

[humble scarab]

Tps gives you chaos states, and when you have it, boss ultrakills you

[maiden quartz]

Going out in style

[indigo yacht]

dog has that lol

[frail fox]

1.5.1 dog spamming portals every 5 seconds

[idle dagger]

I use magic conch/shellphone against astrum deus because I do not like astrum deus and it is very funny to cheese it that way

[half imp]

not fast enough and with too little flashbang

[gilded citrus]

Just have the screen rapidly change between every colour in existence then boom problem solved

[glass arch]

make it throw an irl flashbang at you

[echo leaf]

including the Forbidden Colors

Make the FAA and USDE mad at you

[gilded citrus]

EXACTLY
Blast someone with gamma radiation if they dare teleport using conch mid fight

[glass arch]

do you mean like

forbidden colors as in radiation

or forbidden colors as in hp lovecraft

or both

[gritty plaza]

forbidden as in "the hex code encodes three bytes of data which you're not allowed to know for national security reasons"

[echo leaf]

forbidden colors as in, like

beyond 500-550nm

er

beyond the visible spectrum

[gritty plaza]

make the screen emit radio waves

you can recieve them with a radio

make an arg out of it

[echo leaf]

you'll also get a friendly FAA man at your front door telling you to fuck off

[gritty plaza]

eh

what're they gonna do

put me in jail?

[dense locust]

[gritty plaza]

[whole tundra]

At this rate, only 1 suggestion is going to the dev server in 2 batches

[indigo yacht]

is this even possible

besides doing what infernum did

[gritty plaza]

why is that a "besides"?

is it a lot of work doing something similar?

[indigo yacht]

they just made their own achievement system

[gritty plaza]

ah

so probably a lot of work then

[prisma sedge]

I don't think you can make your own Steam Achievements, but in-game achievements seem to be pretty doable

[simple cove]

in game is what i meant

i should probably change that one sec

[simple cove]

19 whole achievements

they are cool but apart from the boss and mini boss tracker they dont add much to the experience in progression

where as normal erraria ones are bassicly step by steps tutorials on how to beat the game

with some cooler ones too

[indigo yacht]

not really

[errant wren]

not entirely

[indigo yacht]

it's a guide with only a title and no instructions

[errant wren]

most are general progression

[simple cove]

you get what i mean

i probably worded it wrong

[errant wren]

they highlight progression is what you mean, right?

[simple cove]

what im trying to say is that for almost every step of progression you make u get rewarded, so you know your on the right track

[simple cove]

bassicly yeah

but im also saying we could add some funner ones

ex: fight profaned gaurdians and providence in one fight

fight storm weaver, ceasless void and signus at once and beat them all without dying

[errant wren]

it's a (fairly) good idea, don't get me wrong

but uh

it feels like a bit much

[simple cove]

it is tbf

obv idk how easily achievments can be programmed

but the idea is good in theory but i have no idea if its good/easy to implement

[gaunt needle]

What if you could use rune of kos to summon the bosses during the DoG's phase transition and DoG would wait until you kill them

[errant wren]

that sounds...

not.. great

[gritty plaza]

why? /genq

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, there isn't really any reason for that, the only tie DoG has to the kos bosses is being from the same place

[errant wren]

while i miss that part of the dog fight, i really don't think it would make sense anymore

[drowsy plank]

@simple cove just going to flag this because i am 99% sure we are literally just waiting for tmod support for this

so unless like people said we pull an infernum and implement our own achievement UI it just isn't going to happen

[drowsy plank]

not to mention it also just. yknow. isnt in the normal achivement menu so that's a whole nother thing that just adds to the complications
at least death wishes make sense as their own thing bc most are either easter eggs or boss related which is the content exclusive to infernum anyway
calamity achivements would prolly be related to a whole breadth of content including vanilla stuff so

[gritty plaza]

mm, i didn't even consider that

[golden sonnet]

The biggest thing is vanilla achievement are mostly to guide progression, so it would be good for calamity to add some in that regard

[drowsy plank]

yeah no i def agree but like i said

it would probably be super confusing if calamity did go through all the effort to add achievements for progression and to just toss them into its own UI anyway

people would definetly start asking for the menus to be merged which would just be a whole new issue

easiest thing to do is just wait for tmod to

yknow

actually add the support they said they would

and add them then

[golden sonnet]

Ye

[errant wren]

i figured that it was already planned

[simple cove]

@drowsy plank so what your saying is that it was already planned but your either waiting for tmodloader to support it or just make your own menu

Once there’s achievement of some sort im happy

[drowsy plank]

p much yeah

[simple cove]

Damn that was quick

I mean my idea was good atleast

Usually I make one and I get sent death threats

[soft tulip]

💪

[simple cove]

Ggs

I hope they add secret ones tho

That give ingame rewards like a secret pet or weapon (old aotc)

[fleet grotto]

ermmm correction bombfish are STICKY bombs...

[ripe owl]

Does he know...

[prisma sedge]

Out of curiosity, can I ask? Because I definitely do not

[ripe owl]

The Orderbringer rework

[prisma sedge]

Ah yeaahh

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message side note, that last part is incorrect, bombfish are sticky bombs, which vastly improves their usefulness

[sleek turret]

yea

[echo leaf]

Good to know, will amend that

[drifting socket]

yeah and they're so worthless that, even with my encyclopedic autistic knowledge of the game, I only figured that out a couple weeks ago

[indigo yacht]

"vastly"

[olive saddle]

vastly

i still forget they exists

[errant wren]

i like them

we need a stronger bombfish, obviously

[sleek turret]

nukefish

[errant wren]

nukefish from the sulfurous sea

brilliant

[indigo yacht]

so true bestie

[echo leaf]

nuclear terror drop…

God it would be so funny if nuclear terror dropped a nuke, it had a confirmation screen and red text saying to be careful and back up your world

and people still complain

[errant wren]

nah, acid rain fishing

[gilded citrus]

Gunk zero will drop a nuke iirc

Wont be delete half world strong though:(

[olive saddle]

gamers dont like to read is the proboem

[simple cove]

Clearly not if your asking that

[rugged belfry]

Alternatively make it so Bombfish have a unique effect from Sticky Bombs so they don't feel like a trash knockoff of sticky bombs

[maiden quartz]

Nukefish... would be peam ngl

I want to see it

[indigo yacht]

no suggestions about future stuff

you'll have to wait until the golden bat actually exists in game

[golden sonnet]

@distant ridge Suggestions are not allowed for future content as future content already has plans and you don't know how it will function until it's in the game. Read the suggestion guidelines document in the pins for more information

[distant ridge]

o

[distant ridge]

okay I'll copy it and save it till they add the mob

I didn't know

[maiden quartz]

I support this suggestion

[drowsy plank]

also funny that it was a specific item suggestion too

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, it violated other rules too but we can address those if they repost it or are curious now

[fleet grotto]

they're not a trash knockoff they're literally functionally identical 😭 one is just gotten from fishing and is relatively common

bomb fish don't deserve the hate..

[drowsy plank]

bombfish are identical to sticky bombs yeah

they're just worse than sticky dynamite

[golden sonnet]

bomb fish are pretty handy yeah, it's free sticky bombs, I see no issue with them tbh

[indigo yacht]

why

why should calamity introduce a setting specifically to remove content that has no reason to even be removed because another mod or whatever also adds it

[golden sonnet]

The reasoning of this relies entirely on using another mod, and having the evil island has no negative effects so there isn't a reason to remove it anyway. Not to mention the evil works as another way to get the opposite evil biome

[frail fox]

Evil Island removal in 2026

[golden sonnet]

@olive gazelle

[simple cove]

this convo took place after he said that

[indigo yacht]

1984

[olive gazelle]

Huh wha?

[olive gazelle]

I still think there's no downside to having a toggle

I mean, reworked hardmode progression is a toggle

[indigo yacht]

there's no point to having a toggle

there's no downside to having the island, and if anything it might confuse newer players into accidentally disabling it

[drowsy plank]

there is; it's distancing further from the calamity intended experience and cluttering the toggle menu more with pointless additions to what is already a very bloated section of settings

also true elsi

why do you even care if it exists or not

if you dont want it just

idk

delete it with cheat sheet

[turbid patrol]

It's a toggle you'd have to make before the world was created anyways. If you don't want the island just, use a different character to purge it before the run starts

[drowsy plank]

it'll die Eventually™️

ture

[golden sonnet]

Reworked progression is only a toggle because it breaks progression with other mods, evil island has no negative

[indigo yacht]

also true

hardmode progression rework is only effective in, well, hardmode

[median scaffold]

Yeah, but it was before you've sent your message
Anyways, I think that answers your question regardless of the time the messages were being sent

[indigo yacht]

evil island is on world generation

[olive gazelle]

No but like, I can delete it fine with ADW
I just want to...have it done automatically

[gaunt needle]

what if some other mod wants to place something in exactly the same spot as the evil island...

[drowsy plank]

no

[turbid patrol]

And even then you can turn it off after the bosses are dead and ores spawned

[drowsy plank]

that is the answer

👍

[golden sonnet]

You can turn it off with the advanced worldgen mod, which is what they are using to get both evils in the first place

so....

[olive gazelle]

Or, alternatively, a check in Calamity for if it detects both evil biomes, don't gen the island idk

[indigo yacht]

why

[drowsy plank]

why do you care if it exists so much

[turbid patrol]

It's free loot and cloud blocks

[drowsy plank]

also true................

[olive gazelle]

Isn't it like 100% flesh?

[turbid patrol]

Mostly cloud blocks

Haha no

[indigo yacht]

plus it has the biome chest weapon (idk if other mods add that too)

[drowsy plank]

it is clouds and sandstone

[olive gazelle]

Shows what I know about it

[turbid patrol]

And a bit of evil ore

[indigo yacht]

😭

[drowsy plank]

right i forgot it had that too

[turbid patrol]

The house is themed too

[indigo yacht]

the evil ore is awesome i like to use it for preboss magi

[turbid patrol]

Cozy if not for being the result of the corpse of a cruel God

[indigo yacht]

without having to waste time finding it underground

[olive gazelle]

I always plays with the drunk settings of both ores and both evils
Which is why the island feels off to me, and seeing a toggle would be nice for people who just want it off by default

[indigo yacht]

I've never met anyone else who wants the island gone until now

[gaunt needle]

actually maybe calamity should just generate 2 evil islands on drunk worlds

[drowsy plank]

LMAO

[turbid patrol]

There's so much in the sky already.

And it's not affected by the V of hardmode biome generation I believe

[indigo yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-true-lollipop-gif-8981745150419533958

fuck

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[indigo yacht]

the embed even popped up for a split second 💔

[olive gazelle]

Get this...russian a true

That is a compromise I am willing to make

Two islands, or no islands

[drowsy plank]

i think calamity should generate 0 evil islands permanently forever (it's just another placeholder mechanic anyway like post-DoG moons)

[indigo yacht]

but uh anyways i know that this is something you want but calamity doesn't implement stuff with potential negative ramifications just because of the preferences of one player

[drowsy plank]

i remember hearing talks that the aerie will be replacing it eventually

[tepid crown]

no

something else entirely will be replacing it

[drowsy plank]

is it going somewhere else

[indigo yacht]

cant wait to throw myself off a bridge 14 times to get opposite evil seeds !!!

[tepid crown]

and theyll just add the dungeon chest in the dungeon

[olive gazelle]

Ok, so, what about one of both :3

[golden sonnet]

There are plans to remove evil island yes, it will not exist at all due to dryad selling seeds at all times in calamity

and the chest will just be in dungeon

[drowsy plank]

hey raesh can you leak what's replacing the evil islands if it isnt the aerie

[olive gazelle]

That...seems like such a bandaid fix lmao

[tepid crown]

its a sky island related thing

[indigo yacht]

woah

i wouldnt have guessed

[drowsy plank]

oh wait i think i remember it now cause i saw stip building it

[tepid crown]

ye

[turbid patrol]

Bigger fishing island

[golden sonnet]

LEAKS, stip banned

[drowsy plank]

it's been so long since ive seen stip i wasnt sure if the stip ideas were still happening

[tepid crown]

big ol lore structure

[drowsy plank]

people forgot about the mana cuffs rework so i figured that was just lost to time too

[turbid patrol]

The wbat

[drowsy plank]

mana cuffs inherenting all of their previous effects

[indigo yacht]

isnt that just giving it defense and mana regen

ah ok

[drowsy plank]

and +20 mana

[indigo yacht]

it should give life regen too

[turbid patrol]

[indigo yacht]

it already gives +20 mana doesnt it?

[drowsy plank]

oh it does

[gaunt needle]

calamity spoiler discussion

[drowsy plank]

god i fucking hate mana cuffs

[indigo yacht]

real

[drowsy plank]

truly one of the items of all time

[indigo yacht]

it has a band of regen in the recipe... 🥺

[drowsy plank]

i think it was gonna

so it would be like

1 regen 3 defense and the mana regen and cuffs effects

[indigo yacht]

oh wait really?

huh

[drowsy plank]

that's almost as good as crown jewel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this was an old idea tho so like i said i have heard nothing about it so there is a non-zero chance it died in development

[indigo yacht]

i heard about it recently

[drowsy plank]

yes

[indigo yacht]

the, defense and mana regen at least

[drowsy plank]

because i brought it up then as well

lo

[indigo yacht]

oh

my memory is shot

[median scaffold]

@honest tree
No reasoning

[boreal lichen]

isnt this already something that the devs want to do

[median scaffold]

May be, I don't know

[honest tree]

forgor, added

the reason is lore

[median scaffold]

I think that's a fairly weak reason

[lucid marsh]

@honest tree if this were included, it would be a regular sized skeleton that might also still be moving. She's regrowing

But also I think this has been suggested before

[median scaffold]

If anything, you probably should answer the question of "What would it add to the lore?" and "Why should it be added?"

[honest tree]

weren't the gods like massive or something?

[boreal lichen]

nope

[median scaffold]

Silva is the same size as other NPCs, iirc

[gilded citrus]

All the elementals are huge

[lucid marsh]

Only some were

The elementals are all massive but there's no reason they have to be

So maybe Silva is big, who knows

[honest tree]

what if she could aknowledge you taking the terminus 👀

[boreal lichen]

what

no shes literally a corpse rn

she cant talk

[median scaffold]

That is called "open up your eyes and go to the shrine"

[honest tree]

i'm not saying she would talk

since she's "regrowing"

[lucid marsh]

Not exactly. She has some influence

Probably can't talk

[cinder karma]

still a corpse isn't she

[median scaffold]

Micropop pfp, wow

[cinder karma]

what the hell is a micropop pfp

[high trout]

What!

[fleet grotto]

ur suggestion is too long!!

[high trout]

Welp...

[fleet grotto]

can edit it

[cinder karma]

holy yap wtf

[median scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY05nUQ4D5M

[high trout]

I can, I wrote that in like 5 minutes

[cinder karma]

oh that's what you mean

[median scaffold]

Yeha

Jack Stauber, my beloved

[cinder karma]

i feel like it violates one of the suggestion rules

a suggestion being too big or smth

[fleet grotto]

yes

it's over 1000 characters (i believe that's the limit?)

[median scaffold]

Yeah

[high trout]

If it doesn't that is very funny

Does*

[median scaffold]

That is still holy yap 💔

Also, probably violates the "too much effort" rule

[cinder karma]

"extremely effort-intensive or broadly scoped suggestions" are in the blacklist

that's prolly debatable but whatever

[median scaffold]

Well, they suggest to rework 2 classes, so that's pretty hard

[cinder karma]

they didn't really defy "too broad" though

i mean, it is but you feel me

[median scaffold]

We need a dev here........

[high trout]

I did this in 5 minutes "effort" CANNOT be easily extracted just by seeing a lot of words

[cinder karma]

it's 100% too broad anyway

[fleet grotto]

effort as in the effort it takes to implement your suggestion

[median scaffold]

Yeah

[high trout]

My suggestion?

I trimmed it down the best I could

[cinder karma]

yes, they care about your time typing all of this out

[high trout]

It being broad is just a side effect of what I wrote about

[cinder karma]

it got flagged lol

[high trout]

Welp

[high trout]

OHHH

[lucid marsh]

Can't reasonably call it a corpse if it isn't dead. Just wounded

[high trout]

Well there is simple changes that could be made, I am not talking about overhauling each weapon, I gave examples to emphasize possible things you could do to specific weapons

"Definition" is what I like to say..

Changes to mana and ammo are the only real problems

(In my opinionated brain)

[unborn stream]

the 🗜️ react just means it's not formatted properly iirc, needs a double line return after the first line (i think) and also has a 1000 character limit

[fleet grotto]

no it doesn't needthat

it's just the character limit

[high trout]

I trimmed it the best I can :(

[unborn stream]

gotcha

[maiden quartz]

There is a mage rework in the plans

[high trout]

Next yap session: buff and debuff redundancy

[median scaffold]

I think ranger is fine

[tepid crown]

having over 200 words and then not say a single true thing about ranger is quite the accomplishment

[median scaffold]

My personal issue with both it and mage is the lack of accessories to play with

[median scaffold]

(That's a general issue, but whatever)

[high trout]

;3

[median scaffold]

Thanks

[high trout]

What is the differences at the core of how weapons work between melee and melee

Melee and Ranged

[frail fox]

Melee is melee and ranged is ranged

There are exceptions but obviously the names described them well

[median scaffold]

Tbh, melee is the one which needs a rework, but it isn't feasible

[frail fox]

Melee has higher defense for a higher risk and close range while ranger is safer and longer ranged (again there’s exceptions but that’s not the overall class)

[cinder karma]

"specific item or rework suggestion" then

also on black list

[high trout]

If classes are a vice to say that, what does the class system mean -> it means nothing, which is not inheritly bad in any way. I just find it redundant game design in a sense, which I want to preface I am complaining about one of the most influential and liked game of all time and there most influential and liked mod, there is nothing wrong as it stands now

[frail fox]

Melee doesn’t need a “rework” at all lol it’s by far the biggest class in terms of an identity (some bosses need a rework but that’s different)

[maiden quartz]

It's not redundant. "Classes" in terraria are not a rigid technical distinction, rather an thematical and aesthetic one

[high trout]

Summoner and melee are perfect the way they are (although whips also do blur the line)

[cinder karma]

you're alone on this one

[median scaffold]

You know what

[cinder karma]

it always was and always will be the favourite child

[median scaffold]

We should kill classes

[high trout]

I should have not used redundancy as my word choice

[cinder karma]

you're right nvm

[high trout]

What's a better word ahagsgs

[maiden quartz]

what would become of class setups 😭

Guide:Setups

[high trout]

Because I agree

[neat linden]

I meannnnn they are a technical distinction :3

[high trout]

There are a lot!

But not enough I don't think

[neat linden]

me when Item.DamageType = DamageClass.Magic;

[maiden quartz]

Technically they are

[median scaffold]

Ehh? I think it should play a little bit more into its close-mid range, but I wouldn't argue that the word "rework" is a little bit too big here

[tepid crown]

they mean that it is dertimined by a variable, so its by all means a technical definition

[cinder karma]

the math in your profile is wrong blud

[frail fox]

I mean most of it does

[high trout]

"Missed opportunity" again how it stands now there is no problem with how it is now, and there isn't much your losing by not taking this "missed opportunity" but I just think it would give more depth

[maiden quartz]

but there are so many exceptions to the functional aspect of a class that the "technical" distinction argument is not very convincing

a weapon feels like a certain class

[median scaffold]

Fair enough (we should kill melee projectiles)

[neat linden]

elaborate

[cinder karma]

true melee supremacy🔥🔥

[tepid crown]

"melee is the only class where the sprite of a weapon deals damage"
the ominious helstorm:

[frail fox]

Do this post-yharon

[median scaffold]

True

[cinder karma]

the mathematical equation written in the description of your profile is blatantly wrong blud

[neat linden]

vampire knives, throwing daggers, magic dagger and the dagger rogue subclass

[rugged belfry]

Not really

[neat linden]

which part

[median scaffold]

They have a point, tho

[rugged belfry]

It's a good proof of 0.999... being equal to 1

[tepid crown]

blade staff summons enchanted daggers too

[cinder karma]

since when is 9 * 0,9 = 9?

[maiden quartz]

along with the humble Burning Sky

[neat linden]

where do I multiply 9 by 9/10

[rugged belfry]

Since 9*1=9

[high trout]

"Feels" vs specific example of mechanics to each one, there is A LOT which again the lines blur to a point where it's neither this or that, the more you make each class pointed the more it is a stylistic choice which I think perfectly describes terraria in its combat with how many weapons there are that are unique the distinction is weapon to weapon vs class to class (I am yapping so don't quote me on this)

[cinder karma]

the "9x = 9" part, isn't x = 0,9?

[maiden quartz]

Yes

[fleet grotto]

whaf

[maiden quartz]

x= 1

[high trout]

Wouldn't x equally 1

[tepid crown]

ok do u know how algebra works

[prisma sedge]

More accurately, it's 9 x 0.999~

[tepid crown]

genuine fucking question

[neat linden]

0.9 isn't the same as 0.9...

[high trout]

We understand

[neat linden]

the two are vastly different

[prisma sedge]

The phrasing implied the decimal goes on infinitely

[indigo yacht]

you realize that mana potions aren't the only way to refill mana, right? like, there's mana regen and mana stars as well which are both very unique and interesting concepts

[neat linden]

the former is 9/10
the latter is 9/9

[cinder karma]

i'm lazy bruh

okay ladies calm down

one at a time

[rugged belfry]

Same thing

[maiden quartz]

these are unfortunately not played with much after Pre-Boss

[indigo yacht]

i would love to see some mana regen accessory upgrades tbh

[cinder karma]

it was established in the start that it's 0,9..., wasn't it?

[high trout]

Like with ammo there are specific examples but as (my opinion states) it's not defined enough

[tepid crown]

mana regen is very viable after pre boss thankfully

[high trout]

Like chlorophte!

[rugged belfry]

0.9... = 1

[indigo yacht]

how exactly isn't it defined enough

[tepid crown]

not like mana flower completely overshadows it

[maiden quartz]

yes there really should have more accessories that use the mechanica

[cinder karma]

it would if the x actually was 1, but it was established to be 0,9...

[median scaffold]

True

Mana Flower is not the only thing that mage should have

[rugged belfry]

Which is the same thing as 1

[indigo yacht]

ive heard that mana flower is usually worse than mana regen, except for weapons like last prism that guzzle mana

[tepid crown]

its pretty much the same for most weapons iirc

[cinder karma]

what's the reason behind writing down this fucking equation then if you'll just round it up

[indigo yacht]

no other classes use ammo, and if you want to say that mage uses ammo, for one that's not what the suggestion focuses on, and for another... that's like comparing rogue to melee because they both use knives

[tepid crown]

its not being rounded

[rugged belfry]

It's not rounding

[cinder karma]

proof

[neat linden]

yes, it's established to be 0,9...
x is then multiplied by 10 to give 10x, which is equal to 9,9... (since the amount of 9s is infinite, you just shift the decimal)
then you subtract x from 10x (9.9... - 0.9...)

[rugged belfry]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.999... is full of proofs

[tepid crown]

ive alr asked but i didnt get an answer

do u know algebra

[indigo yacht]

can we stop talking about basic math in the suggestion discussion channel

please

[cinder karma]

i said ladies one at a time

[rugged belfry]

Yes Mr. Elsi

[cinder karma]

stop spawning in

[high trout]

Yes, like when throwing became ranger, weapons in terraria are stylistic choice and it doesn't depend on a certain class. The problem being ammo and mana don't impact anything when they are supposed to the the "main mechanic" of the class

[drowsy plank]

@high trout this falls under excessive effort i believe, considering you're literally saying to give new mechanics to two classes

which basically fits perfectly with the idea of giving all of melee a parry ability, which is literally the example for excessive effort in the rules

[neat linden]

x = 0.999... can be defined as a sum of an infinite geometric series x = 0.9 + 0.09 + 0.009 + 0.0009 ....
a sum of an infinite geometric series can be calculating using (element 1) / (1 - ratio)
ratio is 0.1 (since each element is 10x smaller
therefore, it's 0.9 / (1 - 0.1) => 0.9 / 0.9

[indigo yacht]

mana absolutely impacts gameplay, ammo... ok yeah ammo is kind of just 'musket balls, or the one with the highest base damage depending on whether or not your weapon converts", that's a fair criticism

[neat linden]

that was enough offtopicing for now

[indigo yacht]

i would change your suggestion to focus on diversifying the effects and amount of ammo present throughout the game

[neat linden]

Ammo reworks like, a year ago? helped with the variety a fair bit

[cinder karma]

uhh why does it subtract 1 from the 10 and not 0,999 when "subtracting x"?

[high trout]

No I am not saying to give everything something or even change some weapons. It was to emphasize how to me classes aren't very defined (which is completely fine) but the CORE of what a class is which is the mana and which is ammo is not very good

[rugged belfry]

Because 9+x-x=9

Oh I misread your question

Because x is 1

[high trout]

Yes!

[neat linden]

10x - x is 9x

[rugged belfry]

Oh perhaps I am not understanding at all

[cinder karma]

bro you can't do that

[crude geode]

Why are we discussing math still

[neat linden]

no matter what x is (except if it's 0)

[maiden quartz]

how off-topicious

[drowsy plank]

oh my god ranger does NOT need more support there are so many ammo types already 😭

[rugged belfry]

I was under the assumption that you knew how variables work

[cinder karma]

literally plugging an extension into itself

[drowsy plank]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_1AqiKJRhA

[tepid crown]

u dont understand we need to teach basic algebra to someone

[drowsy plank]

i literally just watched this last night now move on

anyway

getting back to the suggestions

[rugged belfry]

Cog said move on guys we gotta move on