suggestions-discussion

[glass arch]

you could ask tmod yes but that also requires the items to be made

[median scaffold]

That's also a stone in the lawn of this suggestion

[hollow shell]

I
huh
I wonder actually if this is possible

tMod might be able to do it indeed
There are a lot if weird tiny games which have Steam points shop items

[glass arch]

its possible but it would need tmod to sign off on it first

[median scaffold]

...uhh, Rover
Do you think the suggestion should get ❗?

[indigo yacht]

this seems like a spiritual successor to a discord server suggestion

[glass arch]

it doesnt break rules afaik

so it should be fine??

[median scaffold]

It technically doesn't have anything to do with the mod itself?

[frail mantle]

mmi'd say it has more to do with the mod than the server

[half imp]

yeah i don't think this technically breaks the rules

but it's also probably not going to happen

[dense locust]

technically alowed, the best kind of allowed

[half imp]

if it's even possible

[echo leaf]

I’m sure the art server would love to make Steam assets for calamity, but I also don’t believe it’s possible to make them without having a game first

[lucid marsh]

I am almost certain it's impossible to do that unless you do it by working with the people who make Terraria

[glass arch]

tmod is technically its own game so it would have a shop separate from terrarias iirc

so not with relogic but with the tmod team

[flint rose]

this is more of a tmod team suggestion

[novel belfry]

and then other mods would probably demand icons too

[echo leaf]

Timmy’s Coolest Mod will demand five avatars

[errant wren]

feels like a discussion that would need to happen between the tmod team, relogic, and whoever is in charge of the steam points shop

then actually having items in the shop feels like something mod devs would have to apply for

not that i would know

[mint lintel]

I imagine it'd be seen as more hassle than it's worth by the tModLoader team, especially since that in a way endorses and advertises the most popular mods. There's already enough whining about the most popular mods getting all the spotlight, especially with Calamity.

[indigo yacht]

calamity bad mod...

[echo leaf]

That’s another good point

I didn’t think about that

[errant wren]

i still can't wait for [insert obscure instawin mod] to get points shop items 🙏

[north oracle]

Necrosteocytes has the unique effect of being completely unusable for some people while also killing WoF in 10 seconds

[dense locust]

pretty unique if you ask me

doesnt it still have like a 90 second aureus

[echo leaf]

yeah

[prisma sedge]

Honestly, I've been thinking about something like this for a while, so I'm all for it!

[errant wren]

make pirate staff a part of the "summon that requires ammo" club and add them to the recipe

i will die if that happens

[prisma sedge]

There are summons that require ammo?

[gilded citrus]

Atleast like
2-3

[prisma sedge]

Interesting! I didn't know they could do that to begin with
But I guess since Calamity also adds temporary summons that work like homing mage attacks, I guess I can't be surprised that the devs found a way to get creative

[errant wren]

kinda funny that you missed that

but it would be interesting to see another summon weapon with that function

[half imp]

what if I made pirate staff

disappear

[errant wren]

what if pirate staff was good

(i do actually think that giving pirates guns would be funny)

[half imp]

honestly perhaps

[crude geode]

#suggestions-posting message
we already have a upgrade for the infernal fork tho, plus the functionality of the weapon is completely different

You could also just as easily make it use unholy trident, another weapon with similar look whose functionality is FAR more similar to infernal rift

[novel belfry]

oh yeahh

that exists

[crude geode]

Yep

[echo leaf]

my idea that made me want to write that suggestion was to give pirates a Lucky Coin effect, or make them inflict Midas on hit

No weapons whatsoever do either to my knowledge
Only the Flask of Midas and equipping the Lucky Coin/Greedy Ring make it work

[olive saddle]

I do think the 2 giants of tmod should get point shop stuff but its definitely an if and not a when

[half imp]

I doubt it'll happen

[olive saddle]

Unfortunately yea probably not

[worthy lintel]

clearly the pirates from the staff should fly because the flying dutchman uses magic...

[drifting socket]

Every mod should get. one.

every mod

[worthy lintel]

the shop

[worn elk]

does anyone know what you actually have to do to make steam points shop stuff

[indigo yacht]

i believe there are at least 2 different spells involved

[grim tusk]

we should add time bolt to every recipe since stuff needs time

[dense locust]

true...

[indigo yacht]

all recipes should either require or produce a certain amount of endothermic energy

alongside whatever else is in the recipe

[fleet grotto]

add fast clock to recipes to make things craft faster

[glass arch]

that would be exothermic wouldnt it be though

[indigo yacht]

shush I'm compromising

[worn elk]

everything now takes time to craft like starbound

[echo leaf]

⭐

[frail fox]

Well that’d certainly be better than nothing at least

[indigo yacht]

ju mpspeed

[polar bison]

Really odd surge of suggestions lately

[cold cosmos]

It's almost like Calamity fans can't read or something

[worthy lintel]

you should be able to ride thanatos and make him use his gamma beam against the other exos

[prisma sedge]

Even jokes aside, that sounds like a sick idea for an offensive mount

[median scaffold]

WoTG coded...

[echo leaf]

I just wanna ride Thanatos because friend

[gritty plaza]

#suggestions-posting message this is a banger suggestion

10/10

[upbeat tundra]

Ares already kind of has the problem of being able to avoid 90% of what he does by just running to the side and occasionally moving down, I don’t think he can afford to be much slower. It’s not like melee doesn’t have flails and spears and other ranged weapons either.

[echo leaf]

The only melee weapons which suffer against ares are true melee

which is unfortunate but not the end of the world

[dense locust]

the true melee weapon in question:

[upbeat tundra]

I mean you can still use them (to great success too from what I hear) when he stops moving and especially for Thanatos. It’s only a big problem if someone is doing only true melee, and at that point it’s not the mod’s problem

[indigo yacht]

this is why you should stack frog leg

[frail fox]

World arena to get 10% 🔥

[median scaffold]

Elsi, listen to me.

Absorber stacking

[indigo yacht]

12% is a smaller number than 32% sorry

[dense locust]

tbf I'm not wearing armor in this clip but yeah

moment

[median scaffold]

12% movement speed 💪 (fucking useless at that point of the game)

[dense locust]

this is why we should make quick scale with progression

[frail fox]

I mean Ares does have a true melee resist lol but hopefully that gets removed at some point

[dense locust]

WHY

[upbeat tundra]

Isn’t Dragon Pow literally always the best option for Ares anyway

[dense locust]

why was it not just a murasamae resist

[indigo yacht]

can we just rework the exos already please

[frail fox]

Cause get fucked

[indigo yacht]

ares also has a 20% dr resist

[echo leaf]

also a 50% true melee resist

[dense locust]

does this stack with its general resist to dragon rage

[frail fox]

Lmao?

I mean yeah probably

It’s true melee

[dense locust]

hilarious

[novel belfry]

dragonflight

[echo leaf]

big funny

infernum inherits all the resistances but makes ares consistently hittable

it still fucking evaporates

[dense locust]

lmao?

[echo leaf]

clearly the solution is to increase true melee resist

[dense locust]

100% true melee resist with an additional 50% resist to dragon rage specifically

[indigo yacht]

dragon rage now heals the boss

[echo leaf]

perfect for griefing if you can hit him with it

[median scaffold]

>Be me
>Becomes the aggro-tank
>Grabs the Healing Dragon Rage
>Ares

[echo leaf]

new scal enchantment, Merciful

[median scaffold]

It would be funny if you had a weapon that heals both your friends (or yourself in singleplayer) and your enemies

[gaunt needle]

exhumed vampire knifes

[royal tapir]

It got removed a while ago

[echo leaf]

good

[dense locust]

huge

[upbeat tundra]

I’m sure the devs are sick of having base Calamity compared to Infernum but tweaking Ares’ behavior a little to Infernum’s wouldn’t hurt. It’s baffling how much is changed by having him shoot that one laser ahead of the player so you can’t just run forever.

[echo leaf]

oh no, that was just a little tidbit to show what would happen if ares was consistently hittable

[novel belfry]

or even, again, just do what the Eternity Exo Mechs (incidentally also by Lucille iirc) do and just make them move like actual entities instead of being glued to a specific part of the screen

[echo leaf]

There’s nothing wrong with being anchored in place relative to the player but Ares specifically just spends way too long anchored like that imo

[glass arch]

as i said

ares is so fast it feels like its a png stapled to the top of your screen instead of an actual entity

[maiden quartz]

^^

[median scaffold]

Technically, Ares is just a png
Or a gif

[fleet grotto]

i feel like the same can be said for a&a, for similar and different reasons

[indigo yacht]

at least you can hit ares with true melee 💔

[fleet grotto]

like they actually move but they're also even more stuck to your screen than ares

[dense ferry]

I like how A&A move a lot

[fleet grotto]

them being stuck to your screen does make sense since they are kinda. made to be fast

just really agile

[dense ferry]

I think they do a good job at masking how they are just stuck there with how they move, their switches and Ohio Beam preparations could be made better but overall they're fine

Ares ACTUALLY just looks like a PNG

[fleet grotto]

ithink their tails also really help

[indigo yacht]

i think we all know the logical procession of this

[crude geode]

Thanatos plays snake on your screen?

[indigo yacht]

no give ares a tail

[dense ferry]

True!

Ares has one benefit in all of this tho

All Skeletrons have VERY SNAPPY movement

So him snapping back to the top of the screen is perfectly fine because every other Skeletron does that already

[royal tapir]

Other Skeletrons do not have instantaneous acceleration

[tepid crown]

everytime he hits u with the head he gains one segment

[dense ferry]

Yeah, I mean that Ares can still afford to be fast as fuck and snap like that

[royal tapir]

It can afford to not be instantaneous but very fast

[dense ferry]

Yeah, and still look natural and in line

Because every other Skeletron does that already

[fleet grotto]

ares if his arms moved a little more

[north oracle]

ares.png now slowly glides towards the player at all times while never changing shape

[indigo yacht]

time limit mechanic

[tired haven]

For the boss (true melee go brrr)

[frail fox]

Deserved

[north oracle]

true
boss enters drage and instantly leaves

[whole tundra]

Bot is kill

Time for the inevitable pileup of suggestions to start

[indigo yacht]

Make all Destroyer lasers homing

the worst part is, I think the only rule this violates is bringing back removed content

[fleet grotto]

Bomb Elsi's address

[frail fox]

Don’t worry, before only like 1/3 of Dest’s lasers were homing so making them all homing should be fine

[dense locust]

true...

[indigo yacht]

Awesome! Thank

[dense locust]

would unironcically be easier depending on the level of homing they have

[tired haven]

Old deathmode homing...

[idle dagger]

Bot is down? perfect time to add more suggestions..

[dense locust]

true...

[frail fox]

It was so stupid

Not the strongest homing but like

I swear they’d just circle you

[indigo yacht]

(my secret plan)

[frail fox]

Glacial State lasers 💔

[dense locust]

peak

clearly this is how we get hand warmers to not suck

[indigo yacht]

i can tell you haven't heard about the lunatic cultist hand warmer meta

[frail fox]

Hand Warmer has been nerfed so hard (removed everything is was important for)

[indigo yacht]

it actually is good on king slime since all your accessories suck atp anyways

and chilled lasts for TWENTY FIVE SECONDS

absolute insanity

[frail fox]

Wrong! Spend hours finding shrines pre-boss

[indigo yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/мазелов-gif-12022213939377159906

when i find you gps

no embeds 😔

[frail fox]

I did nothing wrong

[errant wren]

i once again return to violence

clearly we need moon lord laser on destroyer

[dense locust]

wait true?

[frail fox]

Better than head lasers

[errant wren]

i have nothing but good ideas

[olive saddle]

Your name is different than ours!!! Role racism!!!

Hound her!!!

[dense locust]

what

[olive saddle]

Oh

Nevermind :(

[dense locust]

WHAT

[errant wren]

"They have done nothing wrong but they're blue."

[olive saddle]

LMAO i love that video

[errant wren]

"I always hated blue YOU KNOW WHY? no reason."

anyways uh

ares speed should totally depend on what attacks are being prepared

[crude geode]

did anyone actually ping nycro about bot dying

[errant wren]

no lmao

[olive saddle]

@inland saddle bot down :(

[errant wren]

@inland saddle i ated the bot

[olive saddle]

The double ping 😭

[errant wren]

wifi was slow for like 10 seconds

[gilded citrus]

Omnom

[frail fox]

Different color but I assure you Elsi has done worse

[indigo yacht]

this is false

wait actually no she's true but still don't listen to her

[errant wren]

erm

[whole tundra]

I swear I didn't make a passing suggestion this time

[errant wren]

suspiciously silvaheart-ily written suggestion:

[astral radish]

Has there ever been a discussion about changing how the power cell weapons function on here?

[frail fox]

Too many

[glass arch]

yeah no theres been like 70 (all suggestions about it have been denied)

[astral radish]

Cuz like I think it needs to be a point of discussion. Cuz the mechanic is more of a chore than anything which probably discourages people from using the weapons even if they're fun, viable and visually impressive

[maiden quartz]

IT USED TO BE FUCKING HOMING?

[dense locust]

green ones yes

they used to home

[astral radish]

Have the devs said why it isn't being changed?

[dense locust]

and the blue ones froze you

[maiden quartz]

WTF

[indigo yacht]

game design is hard

[frail fox]

They were so cool

[glass arch]

iirc yes but i dont remember the reasoning

sidenote how the fuck do you make straight lines home without either jank or dustspam.gif

[olive saddle]

If there's something I've learned in game development its that if this amount of people complain about something then something is wrong

[dense locust]

they just did

[astral radish]

Thats just common sense

[frail fox]

Well the hitbox is just the tip

So that homed

[olive saddle]

You'd be surprised

Many people reject it as people coping

Or being bad

[astral radish]

I'm a league player. I know how devs can lack any form of common sense

[olive saddle]

No actually if people compain that much then that's not them coping

I think they did change one thing but it doesn't fix them being a chore

[astral radish]

Like the whole charge mechanic isn't even like detrimental to the use of the weapons

[olive saddle]

Im not sure why its there but it is and its here to stay apparently

[astral radish]

The issue is that it adds nothing of value besides being an extra chore you have to do

[olive saddle]

I like the idea of charge but it could work way differently than it does now because yea it doesn't change much

[astral radish]

I dont mind it staying. But it should be interactive and add dynamics to the weapons

Not just function as a glorified durability meter

[rugged belfry]

I imagine that if they have denied so many suggestions about power cells they are either planning changes already or it's completely off the table

Really hoping for the former

[astral radish]

I hope it's the first and not just stubbornness

[olive saddle]

They're here to stay

[glass arch]

iirc ozz said at one point charge was essentially a tech demo to see if a mechanic like it would even work and it didnt so there wont be mechanics like it in the future

[astral radish]

If it didn't work. Why is it still there

[olive saddle]

There probably is an answer to that question

I understand how nightmarish development can be so there's probably a reason

[astral radish]

Maybe its a skarner or pineapple png situation

Where the entire mod doesn't function without it

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message this is a 🔒

Brimflame is supposed to remove mana recovery

In exchange for huge dmg

And the DoT debuff

Thats why you can toggle it

Next patch you cannot use mana potions while the bonus is up

[glass arch]

the issue was specifically that until citfix.png it didnt remove mana potions

[dense locust]

have you tried this with astral injection

[grim tusk]

Astral injection already doesnt work tho?

Since it boosts regen

If it does then that should be removed too

[dense locust]

does it?
I was under the impression it was more like nebula boosters

[glass arch]

boosts regen and iirc lets you use mana at the same time you regen it

[grim tusk]

@inland saddle bot died?

[glass arch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1172704035825000580/1279282476769869909/caption.gif

[echo leaf]

God bless

[dense locust]

perma coc now meta for brimflame

[prisma sedge]

Permawhat

[glass arch]

concoction was already meta this changes nothing

[dense locust]

permafrost concoction

[dense locust]

nuh uh

flower did better for most weapons

[glass arch]

dont care flower can die in a hole

[dense locust]

true...

[dense locust]

what about magic cuffs

[glass arch]

that works

[dense locust]

for now...

[glass arch]

cit intentionally left that in

[dense locust]

ah

ok

w cit

[drifting socket]

I'd say that the Drunk Princess rather agrees with Perma coc being meta

[dense locust]

I am going to kill you

[glass arch]

magic cuffs and star statues work with the set bonus because they require setup and also magic cuffs suck complete and utter ass

[dense locust]

I will never understand the cuffs hate

its a good accessory if you use it right

[glass arch]

using it right kills you

the goal in a fight is generally to get hit as little as possible

[dense locust]

oh no I take 30 damage from a destroyer laser and gained half my mana back

[olive saddle]

My issue is that it doesn't inherit the mana regen band bonus which is better if you don't take damage often

[dense locust]

mfw an accessory that does something when you get hit isnt very good if you dont get hit
regen band is frankly not very good but I agree it should be a part of the item

[glass arch]

its the one vanilla combo item that doesnt actually combo its effects

[novel belfry]

is that not the criticism
that the brimflame's mana recovery is kinda stupid and unneeded?

[glass arch]

also its an accessory intended to be used i assume while tanking yet it gives. no defense

[glass arch]

yes that is the criticism

[novel belfry]

exactly

[dense locust]

ok?
star veil doesnt give defense and it is 100% at its best when blatently facetanking bosses

[novel belfry]

so why just lock it there for that reasoning?

[glass arch]

yes because iframes are inherently a defensive stat

[novel belfry]

it seems downright unfair if one dev decides, "oops im just gonna lock this" and prevent it from reaching devcord

[glass arch]

its locked because instead of removing it the devs doubled down and removed the ability to mana potion too

[novel belfry]

let the devcord judge it

okay, that makes more sense

if it conflicts with plans, sure

[glass arch]

as was mentioned. literally 4 messages below

[glass arch]

mana, however, has no defensive bonus attached to it
mana is specifically "ammo" used for mage and summoner weapons

so comparing star veil and magic cuffs is inherently flawed

[novel belfry]

is it okay for me to like, just repost a suggestion like this?
#suggestions-voting message

this was posted around the beginning of the year, about two months ago, and yet im still pretty hardline on getting it to the dev server

[glass arch]

yeah you can repost a suggestion as many times as you want

there just has to come a point where you realize people just arent voting for it

[novel belfry]

i'll see

also fair point

[prisma sedge]

Honestly, I think it'd be worth removing the fact that their projectiles spawn sand to begin with...like yeah, it'd mess up the infinite sand farms a select few players use, but there is practically no reason for why an enemy should be able to spawn permanent blocks in your world that you have to manually clean up after killing them

At the very least, they could be temporary like ice rod blocks

[sleek turret]

infinite sand farms?

[glass arch]

for sand gun

[sleek turret]

we had that alredy its shimmering ale

[glass arch]

frankly most of the time its only 1 or 2 blocks

[sleek turret]

ale -> mug -> glass tiles -> sand

[glass arch]

like antlions spawning sand at all isnt an issue the issue is how much death mode antlions shit out

[prisma sedge]

I guess, but it's still annoying and mostly useless outside of being...interesting I guess, since no other enemies do this

[sleek turret]

not everything interesting is good

[prisma sedge]

It's not like the placement of those sand blocks usually makes it more or less difficult to fight them, it's just something you have to pull out your pickaxe for to clean up when you're in the middle of running across the desert

[glass arch]

or you can ignore it

[dense locust]

I would argue this is mostly because most regular enemies in cal are massive pushovers

[prisma sedge]

As someone who likes to keep certain areas as flat planes for the purpose of running across them and structure building stuff, that's a tall ask

[sleek turret]

i mean early on you get free stuff to snipe the enemy out which is xd

its 10 seconds of cleaning or less though its not that bad

[echo leaf]

Removing infinite sand from sandlions does not remove sand from ammo conservation + sand gun

the farm will still exist, just one method is removed

[prisma sedge]

And again, there's just no reason to keep it the way it is aside from it technically taking less work to not change what projectile they use

[indigo yacht]

or you could just like

disable death mode

genius!

[glass arch]

ignoring it is an issue specifically if youve flattened the surface which is frankly something much too time consuming for the end result

[prisma sedge]

https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/1349568408521543783

[glass arch]

i can say that for certain because i also do it and i play multiplayer with people that do it too

[indigo yacht]

it can also land on platforms

[prisma sedge]

It can? I kind of forgot about that

[glass arch]

but not on rails so just throw a few rails down on top of the platforms and boom problem solved

[sleek turret]

or just kill the enemy if you can probably

[glass arch]

the issue is not the fact that they do it this issue has always been how much death mode antlions shit out

[prisma sedge]

I'm...kind of surprised that some people are in support of this being kept

[sleek turret]

maybe make it throw sand projectiles clone that doesn't transform into sand tiles when it touches ground if its that bad

[prisma sedge]

Like, my reasoning here is that it's annoying to deal with if it matters at all, and doesn't serve much of a functional purpose since getting large amounts of sand when you need it is laughably easy without them, so it doesn't need to be in the game, and they could just change the projectile it uses to one that doesn't spawn sand blocks...like Desert Scourge's

[violet zephyr]

Everyone talking about how this affects the Surface, but not the Underground...

[indigo yacht]

underground is already shit hard to make it worse 🔥

[prisma sedge]

I usually encounter less antlions by comparison in the underground, but that is fair

I think they can affect cacti and antlion eggs too, which is annoying

[glass arch]

its completely inconsequential, it only takes a couple seconds to clean up at most
it takes nearly no effort to get rid of in normal circumstances

[violet zephyr]

Much, much more likely to suffocate you, too.

[prisma sedge]

Yeah, but here's my question...why keep it?

[glass arch]

because it makes you actually engage with the enemy rather than just oh look generic projectile time to kill it

[prisma sedge]

That's how...most enemies are, and they're usually fine for that

[fleet grotto]

how about we make it even worse and make it guaranteed explode sand spit on death like flow invaders

[glass arch]

yes that is how most enemies are but that doesnt force every enemy to be like that

[indigo yacht]

engagement isn't always a good thing

[glass arch]

theres gotta be some kind of variance otherwise it all melts into mindless slog

[indigo yacht]

personally i think there's a reason why so very few enemies have the ability to place/remove blocks

[prisma sedge]

Well yeah, but they can be varietal without being a nuisance

It only forces you to engage with it by making it more annoying to deal with after it's dead the longer you leave it alive

[fleet grotto]

it's hard to engage with an enemy when there can be multiple of said enemy at once as well as every other enemy and obstacle down there

or, can be

[indigo yacht]

you're not really engaging with the enemy you're engaging in 7-S

[glass arch]

it incentivizes you to try to kill the enemy first because there are actual tangible consequences to not killing it

[mint lintel]

That isn't really a good thing.

[glass arch]

anyways this isnt going anywhere we arent gonna convince the other party that our side is correct

[indigo yacht]

you could say the same about enemies that inflict debuffs like confused or cursed

that doesn't mean they're fun or interesting to deal with

[glass arch]

oh im fine with those

its shit like silenced that i have an issue with

[dense locust]

why does silenced exist

its just shitty cursed

[prisma sedge]

Honestly, in my opinion, those are fine
Because that's temporary and usually easy to avoid even while the enemy is attacking you, so instead of there being a consequence for just...taking too long, you instead get a consequence for not doing a good enough job of dodging their attacks

Ah pbth, sorry, my shift key's been acting buggy

[glass arch]

nice misinput xd

[prisma sedge]

Hold on

Test

Okay, I'll just use the left one

[novel belfry]

I like this other suggestion too

[olive saddle]

You use right shift??

[prisma sedge]

I use left shift for capitalization, but right shift for making new lines and some symbols

[olive saddle]

thats

weird but i can understand it

[prisma sedge]

It's mostly because I'm not the type to keep my hands in one place while I'm typing, so I'm more used to moving my hand over and clicking shift with my thumb and enter with my middle finger, even if it's a bit impractical

[inland saddle]

I love when Discord just decides that my bot has been working too smoothly for too long and its time for a restart

It's back now

[tired haven]

Consider this a captcha for running your own bot

[grave zinc]

@frosty trellis - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove the "Mana cannot Regen" from Brimflame Frenzy]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[lucid marsh]

About making ares slower, you can't even see the top half of the boss on some game resolutions

[glad tundra]

when will they make all of the exo mech scale based on zoom so you can always see them

[vestal crater]

I get why two people complained about antlions sand attack

[rugged belfry]

Just kill the Antlion before it can shoot

[median scaffold]

You can say something like this about everything we've suggested, really

#suggestions-voting message
Cosmolight is too good? Just don't use it

#suggestions-voting message
Cosmic Immaterializer is outdated? Just rework it yourself

[rugged belfry]

True 🔥

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-voting message
You can't have Moon Lord's Legs in non-drunk worlds? Just stack Frog Leg

[rugged belfry]

Let's do this for every suggestion that has ever been posted

[frail mantle]

No

Let’s not I think

[median scaffold]

They have a point

However, I'm not going to do it

[prisma sedge]

Basically, when Overdone posted their suggestion, it sparked a short conversation about if antlions should create blocks in the first place, and that inspired me to post mine

[rugged belfry]

This is so inspirational 💔

[north oracle]

Holy shit you're true

[fleet grotto]

@half imp

[rugged belfry]

Ares too fast? Just go faster

[steep patrol]

Honestly ares is not that fast

[rugged belfry]

Sunshine that will probably get ❗ed but I don't hate the idea

[fleet grotto]

me when i have no reason for a change

[gilded citrus]

@boreal lichen
Isnt it already a possibility that a plague minibiome thing gets added at some point?

[umbral gazelle]

@boreal lichen star scourge is called astral infection

[boreal lichen]

Gulp

[boreal lichen]

Yeah

[umbral gazelle]

i just realized i pinged wrong person

[indigo yacht]

BUT LIKE FROG LEG AND MOON LORD LEGS

ok isn't this an excessive effort suggestion

also tbh it doesn't make much sense to me but i digress

[indigo yacht]

oh this also has no reasoning either

@uncut ruin you need a reason why your suggestion should be implemented, also i think yours might constitute an "extreme effort" suggestion which aren't allowed

[uncut ruin]

Wups

[drowsy plank]

plague minibiome was something that was already on the docket of possibilities so this sugg is funny

[indigo yacht]

might not be against the rules then but you do need reasoning regardless

[half imp]

I'd say it absolutely is

[drowsy plank]

actually yeah i think "new biome" is one of the explicitly listed

you already pinged them so ill just flag it

[glass arch]

plus the suggestion lacks reasoning

so that on its own gets a flag

[drowsy plank]

surely it will happen this time

[dense locust]

[echo leaf]

Money income is only ever a problem if you spend it on things

Personally I had hundreds of platinum but I ended up running out since I was buying so much food/alcohol/wiring components

(terrible combination of things btw)

[indigo yacht]

me with my 12 platinum coins preboss

anyways you can still just abuse zerg potion or death mode blood moon which are just easier than boss fights are

I don't mind this idea, it could be a positive change, but it will not at all achieve the desired effect

[fleet grotto]

I do think boss money farming should be nerfed in some way. It's just way, way too easy,has 0 cost, and is efficient.

[median scaffold]

I think it is already changed in the next update, but can't say for sure

[echo leaf]

I don't know how one would change boss money farming in any vaguely positive way

Changing the prices of items dropped will change how expensive they are to reforge

Changing the quantity means it's more difficult to get any given item

[median scaffold]

iirc, bosses themselves drop less money

[echo leaf]

oh fml i completely forgot they did that

griffingek

[whole tundra]

@silver bramble This conflicts with future plans, a ton of prices are already getting severely nerfed

[silver bramble]

Does that mean the prices are going up, or the prices are going down (so money doesn't matter), or boss drops are going down, or boss drops are going down and prices are going up, or what?

From context this could mean nearly anything.

[echo leaf]

The amount of money you earn from one boss kill will be reduced.

I assume 👁️ 👁️

[dense ferry]

Fixing Terraria's economy is impossible unless we completely overhauled the system

👍

As in, changing the value of every item and the dropped money of everything

And, shocker

That solves nothing

Because after you beat a single Boss, money loses all of its value because you can just farm them infinitely

Unless we made the overall yield of Bosses a complete joke

[gilded citrus]

At which point
Uh
The 700 other ways to get quick money appears

[dense ferry]

As I said, the system would require to be completely overhauled, every price and reward would need to be changed and the yield would become near worthless

And at a certain point it'd STILL DOESN'T MATTER

Because shops stop being a reliable source of weapons after PHM

And then once you got to like, Plantera you already have more money than you'd ever need anyways

It's also impossible to make Boss money rewards actually balanced because they'll become easily farmable as soon as you beat them

And you can just repeat them infinitely

And then I ask you

[drowsy plank]

uhhhhh you see this is why goblin tinkerer was actually good cause he ate ALL of your money-

[dense ferry]

Do you prefer unconsumable Boss items, or money being "balanced"?

[gilded citrus]

Honestly
Boss items were like
Never a problem for me

In vanilla

[dense ferry]

Yeah, in Vanilla

[gilded citrus]

Nice qol tho

-# wiat yeah cal summons seem horrendous if consumable

[dense ferry]

Now imagine Rev Skeletron Prime but you need a new boss summon for every attempt

[violet zephyr]

Simply make things really expensive.

[gilded citrus]

Gotta kill guardians after losing to providence

[echo leaf]

mdeath prime

[violet zephyr]

Imagine needing to craft one hundred Cosmic Worms.

[dense ferry]

So, yeah

[gilded citrus]

Sorry i dont play calamity m**ter

[dense ferry]

"Balancing" money is impossible without completely overhauling the system and also making adjacent mechanics not exploitable

And not only is that a lot of work, it's also not worth it

[dense locust]

an Idea I had awhile back was to make money a 100% finite resourse but ofc that has problems

[echo leaf]

i'm down for that

[dense ferry]

I'm not

[echo leaf]

"Fun pranks to play on your friends"
"Crash the economy"

[dense locust]

like it would be a lot of money you'd have like 2k plat if you did everything that could give money
but it would still technically be limited

[indigo yacht]

just remove coin drops from enemies after all, if antlions dont drop banana splits, why should they drop pocket change?

[dense ferry]

That'd be an absurd catastrophe for any new player who'd be coming from Vanilla and now suddenly they can't get it from specific sources because they ran out

And that's also not accounting for Goblin Tinkerer bullshitery, some players would just have a lot of trouble minmaxing a build or reforging all of their weapons

[echo leaf]

i threw 2k plat at cirrus for alcohol and i haven't beaten moon lord

i dranked it all

[dense locust]

unironically the idea also involved making reforging completely free

[fleet grotto]

this feels unreal

[echo leaf]

the only way to balance making reforges free is to make the more powerful reforges rarer

[indigo yacht]

weapon that deals more damage the more times it has been reforged

[dense locust]

no?

that just makes the process take longer

[indigo yacht]

that would just waste time

[fleet grotto]

yeah no

[dense locust]

tedium =/= difficulty

and reforging is only the former

[indigo yacht]

slick cane except you dont have to worry about losing money because it's already lost

[echo leaf]

yall are no fun

[dense ferry]

Reforging is a mechanic Cal all but removes, because it does not fit well for our balancing methods

[indigo yacht]

weapon reforges decrease in quality as the weapon is used (like durability)

i mean, that's why you reforge something, right?

[indigo yacht]

honestly this isn't even a terrible idea, this could be a decent mechanic (although perhaps not in any terraria mod)

[dense locust]

to elaborate, ig

• no money lost on death
• enemy money is awarded based on bestiary collection, so once a bestiary entry is filled, no more money from that enemy
• other methods to get money like fishing quests or tax collector are either changed to not give money or made finite
  would also in turn incentivize keeping villagers happy

[dense ferry]

Yeah no I hate this, sorry

[dense locust]

valid

[indigo yacht]

this could work but not with the way that npc shops work rn

imo

[dense locust]

can you elaborate

[indigo yacht]

if npc shops were more like... easier ways to get otherwise rare or tedious items i think it would be fine, but as it stands they have a lot of things that can only be bought and the idea that you can just be completely locked out of them isn't one i am fond of

idk i was thinking of it as sort of a "short cut" thing

[dense locust]

fair enough

tbh the focus isnt so much on limited money so much as its on killing the "I need money so lets do do the same thing over and over"
the idea is more to encourage finding new sources of money once x method has been run dry

[indigo yacht]

i do like the idea of bestiary completion giving money

it could realistically be tied into the world thematically as well

rather than the fuckin monster just carry around pocketfuls of coins for some reason

[indigo yacht]

idk like there's extermination bounties or something

[dense ferry]

Me when the single biggest staple of RPGs is being questioned by modern gamers

[dense locust]

I would argue the biggest staple of rpgs is the leveling up system

[prisma sedge]

I agree with the bestiary thing, just feels like a smoother way to implement the same general idea if it's possible

[north oracle]

now this would be perfect
you don't have to pay but you spend an hour getting legendary on your terra blade

[indigo yacht]

more reforge variety, fair

[upbeat tundra]

Imo the actual money problem is that killing Brain or Eoc gives you a plat worth of their respective ore, and those bosses are piss easy to farm. I usually end up with infinite money pre-hm

[silver bramble]

the crux of my suggestion was to slash boss money drops after first kill to prevent farming, no?

i feel like you could

idk

make regular enemies drop almost no money

make bosses drop some money (like 50 gold at late HM)

[errant wren]

selling boss drops in question:

[silver bramble]

slash sell prices too

so even if you sell all the boss drops from a boss

after first kill you might scrape like 5 gold

for like a mid HM boss

plantera or mechs or sum

[distant gyro]

have done, soz

but just the base money from boss drops

/ any particularly overtuned sell prices

[indigo yacht]

cutting boss drop sell prices feels like a band-aid fix that would cause more issues than it would solve

[distant gyro]

so ie. if you raided the draedon labs but decided to sock everything for money you no longer get a plat

[indigo yacht]

FUCK!

day ruined /j

what are they sold for now

[distant gyro]

idk find out yourself

[indigo yacht]

💔

[distant gyro]

as far as i remember both materials went from 6s to 3s and factories/chargers went from 10g to 50s

[indigo yacht]

:WHAT:

obviously warranted but a 95% decrease seems a bit much

oh well

[distant gyro]

selling factories is a onetime decision and also should not be lucrative because you need those cells

chargers idc

[indigo yacht]

fair

[distant gyro]

free money anyway

[indigo yacht]

especially since you can get chargers and factories like 5 minutes into making a world

just get like 200 rope

[distant gyro]

still sell more than most furniture items

[distant gyro]

also yes this does not happen because by extension doing that means reforge price is lower

forgot to respond

its on the bosses themselves that are dropping substantially more money that vanilla (as changed)

[tepid rapids]

@uncut ruin play ccr if you want this its not being added to basecal

[novel belfry]

is that not being added to basecal in the distant future?

[boreal lichen]

It's on the list yeah

[indigo yacht]

nothing ever happens

[boreal lichen]

So true

[tepid rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-chud-chudjak-soyjak-90-seconds-to-nothing-gif-9277709574191520604

[olive saddle]

hope the bot doesnt fucking axe me

ok cool it didnt

it is technically over 1k characters if you count the title

nope nvm im just wrong

[indigo yacht]

title isn't counted

[olive saddle]

cool

repost of an old sugg i had

[dense locust]

this feels more like a #1178515062030348308

[olive saddle]

can be argued

[indigo yacht]

add jump speed to it

[olive saddle]

i feel like this is outside of that(?) as the item fundamentally is-

[olive saddle]

true...

[olive saddle]

the item is fundamentally flawed as it has almost no use

taking two items that dont really have any business being together

hang on im testing something

nvm im a coward

[indigo yacht]

give it fire debuff immunity or something

if it had a tangible benefit i would probably equip it with normal bob once or twice then shimmer and upgrade bob after

[dense locust]

mfs running obs horseshoe on yharon for the dragonfire immunity

[indigo yacht]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/KzCIF3QmnjzIZbHlOUsP0A7bXnChOXQ3owYvGnab48U/https/cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/921391526507081758.png

whys it so big

whatever

i want my rogue holy dodge please

[dense locust]

#calamity-update-talk message this suggestion has reminded me of a conversation from 2 years ago

[indigo yacht]

ancient history

[half imp]

"nerf money severely" suggestion needs a lock, if i react with a lock will that count or does it need to be a mod?

or does it have to wait until it gets to voting

[violet zephyr]

I believe those kinds of reactions only work on a voting post.

[half imp]

aight i'll wait

question still stands though, does a lock react from me work or does it need a mod?

[violet zephyr]

Should work.

The bot only looks if a reaction has been placed.

[grave zinc]

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[olive saddle]

is
is that the most starred sugg ever

#suggestions-voting message

this is extremely close

but thats because it was an oversight in the wrong channel and it was my first sugg when i didnt know what i was doing

[frail fox]

I mean definitely not ever

Icicle Arrows moment

But it’s much higher than the usual ones these dats

[median scaffold]

Just 220 stars!!

[north oracle]

Good batch

[north oracle]

Numbers have been creeping back up past 200 more often
It's really cool

[gritty plaza]

What does icicle arrows mean?

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-voting message

Just a little bit of stars

[gaunt needle]

Someone should make a suggestion to flip icicle arrows again

[dusky crag]

I love it when numbers go up, yipee

[gritty plaza]

Four hundred stars, jesus

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-voting message
4 years ago 💔

[golden sonnet]

Doesn't matter who does it

[drowsy plank]

guh

dude??

@vocal moth use marksman rounds then

[vocal moth]

?

[drowsy plank]

oh wati you

want to be able to hit it with other class damage types

[vocal moth]

yes

thats the whole thing

[drowsy plank]

yeah no im not letting that through

that's just reference material

[vocal moth]

mean

[humble scarab]

beside true melee, it could work but i think it would be hard to code

[vocal moth]

then just true melee

[humble scarab]

in ultrakill you can actually shoot the coins with everything

[vocal moth]

Yeah

[humble scarab]

even parry them

[vocal moth]

that was my point

it would be such a cool addition

[drowsy plank]

im not stupid i know ultrakill this is just the modern "make murasama have a sheathe launch attack"

[vocal moth]

You are just hating on fun

mr mc meaniehead

yeah im not letting that one through ahh

[drowsy plank]

can you please just read the rules

once

[vocal moth]

dude

im gonna go evil crashout mode

plus it isnt exactly a reference

its adding synergie

[humble scarab]

some prob spammed with some stupid things like with the murasama so thats prob why the rule exists

[vocal moth]

yeah

acting like my suggestion isnt the best

[humble scarab]

and the coin working on everything is pretty iconic

[vocal moth]

yeah

[gaunt needle]

it is exactly the "make this reference more accurate" suggestion

[vocal moth]

no

i was MERELY stating it would be awesome sauce

are we going to let cog take that away

[gaunt needle]

sadly, the "it would be cool" is also not a valid reasoning

[vocal moth]

its a good feeture tho

[median scaffold]

...not really?

[vocal moth]

yall not seeing the vision here

[gaunt needle]

actually just make the coin fly into nearby enemies and then have them pickup the coin

[median scaffold]

This also clashes with the idea of true melee

[gaunt needle]

THAT would be cool and funny

[vocal moth]

fair

but

what if

[median scaffold]

What if what?

[vocal moth]

coin

but

[median scaffold]

But what?

[gaunt needle]

there is no but, it's literally just a coin

which flies into an enemy and then they pick up the coin

[median scaffold]

[humble scarab]

[humble scarab]

reverse robbery

[uncut ruin]

There is also legal troubles

[indigo yacht]

yayyyyyyyy

[uncut ruin]

What if one very specific sound clip gets Konami's lawyers on this?

[violet zephyr]

This is actually a new rule that came with the update of the rules document, so it is more likely that suggestions revolving Marksman rounds, like this one, was the actual cause of the addition.

[dense locust]

thanatos summon item description:

[violet zephyr]

Actually, wouldn't the Codebreaker be the "summon" item for the Exo Mechs...

[dense locust]

yes

[violet zephyr]

In that case, it would also include Ares' resistances...

[dense locust]

and aa's single resist!

[violet zephyr]

I'm sure fitting all of this in one tooltip is possible.

[drowsy plank]

surely this will have 0 problems

[dense locust]

whats even the first boss to have resistances?

destro?

[rugged belfry]

Or you could discover a boss's weakness by playing the game and trying different things

Maybe be a better solution would be to have some kind of indicator during the fight that shows an attack was resisted

[drowsy plank]

desert scourge

[dense locust]

isnt this litterally what MoR does

[indigo yacht]

i don't think there's an elegant way to do this

[rugged belfry]

Idk what that is so idk

[drifting socket]

I mean like

[drowsy plank]

a sound effect for resisted hits would probably be fine

otherwise yeah

[drifting socket]

Just during a boss fight some sort of indicator that your current weapon is more or less effective

[drowsy plank]

it'd just be messy

[rugged belfry]

That's what I was thinking

Just telling the player is a bad solution

[indigo yacht]

idk about that

what happens when you have a really fast firing weapon 💔

[river glen]

i mean u can make it expand or smth

[river glen]

resistances also vary from 90% -> 10%

so hitting a hit wouldnt really tell u much if its only hitting for a small amount

[indigo yacht]

bandaid fix

the only decent way i can think of implementing this would be to like... show that a weapon does -% damage when a boss is alive in the tooltip but obviously that has a number of problems in itself

[violet zephyr]

I think the problem is that resistances are meant to be hidden. By simply stating something is resisted, people aren't going to use it, even if it still the best performing weapon.

[indigo yacht]

true

zenith annihilates ares despite ares having like a 25% zenith resistance

[drowsy plank]

yeah there's just

[indigo yacht]

ok, 20%

[drowsy plank]

no real point in showing resistances to be frank

[echo leaf]

true melee against Deus

[drowsy plank]

if a weapon is underperforming, obviously the resistance could be a factor, but that's more of an issue for #1178515062030348308 on a weapon by weapon basis than for the entire mechanic

[violet zephyr]

Imagine if you get told that your Wave Pounder's damage is cut by 80% on DoG.

No one would use it.

[river glen]

still feel info is better than no info

otherwise people go wiki hunting

[indigo yacht]

the info is on the wiki

[river glen]

which i hear is not really fun

[indigo yacht]

the wiki exists for a reason

[river glen]

sure

the wiki exists, but info should at least be obtainable in some way shape or form

[indigo yacht]

why should it be

[river glen]

why not?

[indigo yacht]

there's plenty of other info that's only available on the wiki

such as shadow armor and magiluminescence not stacking, blood moons starting at 200+hp instead of 160+, mana regen rework, actually i don't think shadow armor being nerfed is anywhere ingame either besides feeling it

[river glen]

why should the info be only available there, some of them u wil encounter or it not mattering as much

[indigo yacht]

why does the info need to be available ingame

[echo leaf]

If someone uses a weapon that happens to be resisted to the point where it’s unusable and they don’t stop using it, that’s their fault

[rugged belfry]

It is

You can actually attack the bosses to see what they resist

Hope this helps

[indigo yacht]

what problem does having resistance values on-hand without having to spend a minute to check the wiki solve

oh, yeah, also I don't think the pierce resistance mechanic is mentioned anywhere in cal

[river glen]

that feels like smth that should be said to them then instead of "why is my weapon not working" if its that nerfed

[restive wharf]

How long does it normally take for the suggestion bot to notify you that you have passed for dev voting

[river glen]

maybe it plays a sound depending on the resistances

[drowsy plank]

if a weapon is unusable because of its resistances the resistances should be changed or removed

which falls within the scope of balance problems

[indigo yacht]

there are a wide variety of factors as to why a weapon may not be working

[drowsy plank]

resistances exist because weapons overperform, and the tweaking of resistances should mean the weapon is always viable, not unusable

[indigo yacht]

as a general rule of thumb, just don't use a weapon if it sucks

[river glen]

how would u know that

[indigo yacht]

why it sucks isn't important

[drowsy plank]

using it

probably

and if you don't like it/it seems weak use another

[rugged belfry]

I like the idea of a sound or visual effect when a boss resists something you use against it

[drowsy plank]

i think the funniest part of all of this

is vanilla does this too

[indigo yacht]

the problem with showing resistances is that sure it can explain why some weapons are bad, but what about the ones that are still good

[drowsy plank]

and never indicates it anywhere

[violet zephyr]

Jester Arrows...

[river glen]

does vanilla have resitsnaces?

[drowsy plank]

yes

[indigo yacht]

my fucking grenades against eow were more than indicated 💔

the 7 damage said a lot in few words

[indigo yacht]

very thorough hmm

[tired haven]

My favorite vanilla resistance is the destroyer resisting golden shower

(It already is subpar on tier for that boss)

[river glen]

pee

[drowsy plank]

oh my god it does???

[indigo yacht]

gotta love vanilla balancing

[drowsy plank]

what the fuck??????

red code!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dense locust]

only in expert mode +

[violet zephyr]

In Expert Mode only, too.

[worthy lintel]

they dont want you to kill the monstrous mechanical worm with piss

terrible implications

[river glen]

well either way, feels like if the weapon is like 70% resisted or more it should maybe play a sound to indicate that

[drowsy plank]

expert is the only mode with resistances

[river glen]

but i guess idk

[north oracle]

They're just discouraging piss tome usage it's kinda based

[river glen]

master?

[drowsy plank]

well expert+

[tired haven]

Cultist is still active in classic no?

[drowsy plank]

master is just expert with more health

oh my god i forgot about that

yeah

[indigo yacht]

cultist has like a 50% homing projectile resistance or something doesnt it

[worthy lintel]

master is just expert

nah its 25%

still aggressive af

[north oracle]

Aim or suffer

[rugged belfry]

Master mode is uncreative af

[drowsy plank]

i love how he resists ALL minions

[indigo yacht]

ah

[tired haven]

I miss slime staff resist on cultist...

[drowsy plank]

dw he still resists

fucking flinx staff

and abigail of course

[drowsy plank]

wait no

slime staff is still on here

[tired haven]

Well abigail makes like some sense

[rugged belfry]

I'd suggest that instead

[worthy lintel]

i think destroyer should resist solar eruption since it performs exceptionally well against it, taking it down in a matter of seconds

[north oracle]

Of course it's vitally important to not take full damage from flinx staff
You might die

[north oracle]

NO

[worthy lintel]

[errant cradle]

...why?

[violet zephyr]

All minions!

[errant cradle]

was there some funky exploit i missed

[indigo yacht]

i think that weapon resistances are useful information to have which is why they're on the wiki, but if they're ingame they would only serve to mislead players

[tired haven]

Homing exploit

[drowsy plank]

why does cultist resist dark harvest reaping energy that's not a homing weapon that's just supposed to be a bonus effect 🥹

[drowsy plank]

because he resists all minions

[indigo yacht]

too op

[errant cradle]

oh yeah he has a resistance to all homing projectiles

yea

[drowsy plank]

even finch staff

THIS MF RESISTS SENTRIES

yeah dude dont want ballista staff to be too strong against him

[north oracle]

Can't have explosive trap be too- oh wait

[worthy lintel]

and then you look at shit like star cannon ex

which huh

lmao

[drowsy plank]

HE RESISTS SPORE SAC

[worthy lintel]

well yeah he doesnt have lungs

duh

[violet zephyr]

All homing projectiles.

[drowsy plank]

RED

[violet zephyr]

All.

[drowsy plank]

CMON MAN

[violet zephyr]

Means.

A l l .

[worthy lintel]

its consistent atleast

ig

[drowsy plank]

why do sentries count as homing projectiles man they already miss so much 😭

scutlix laser resist is definetly the funniest one on here tho

[worthy lintel]

very weak homing is still homing...

gotta be consistent...

[errant cradle]

HUH

lmao????

[worthy lintel]

bro resists medusa head like goddamn this thing is already dead on the floor no need to desecrate it

https://tenor.com/view/scout-in-a-mental-asylum-scout-laughing-in-a-corner-scout-in-a-mental-hospital-scout-laughing-gif-18390446700958692071

[echo leaf]

GOD FORBID someone use SPORE SAC on this motherfucker

[dense locust]

someones done it before

[echo leaf]

It can’t even receive buffs to its damage

[median scaffold]

Uhh... why would Cultist resist Slime Staff, actually?

[gaunt needle]

Summoner

[tepid crown]

minions are just homing projectiles

[median scaffold]

That doesn't make Slime Staff good??

[indigo yacht]

consistency i guess

[median scaffold]

With what?

[tepid crown]

homing projectile resistance

[median scaffold]

Ohh

I forgot that... this is an actual thing

Does it mean every summon deals 75% of its original damage?

[indigo yacht]

i believe so

[median scaffold]

Funny

[tepid crown]

consistency

[median scaffold]

That's a pretty weird thing to consider, but... I guess fair?

[tepid crown]

con

sis

ten

cy

[glass arch]

it doesnt resist specifically slime staff does it? just anything that deals summon damage

[median scaffold]

That's somehow worse

[tepid crown]

no

doesnt resist whips

[median scaffold]

(Not really, but... eh, I don't care)

[glass arch]

idk cultist is just fucking weird

[median scaffold]

True

[tepid crown]

also

u all thought minions and spore sac was bad?

lc also resists volatile gelatin

[median scaffold]

Fuck Cultist

[half imp]

ok to be fair explosive trap

[median scaffold]

Cryogenic Staff and Ortocerhahrhlda Staff in question

[half imp]

dreadmine in question

(dreadmine is absurd)

[tepid crown]

im sure frost hydra is doing plenty to warrant a resistance

[median scaffold]

...eh, not really

At least, not comparable to the 3 sentries mentioned by me and Doze

[tepid crown]

i know,,,

ive tried using it before and ive sworn on my soul that i wont use it again

[median scaffold]

Sorry, lack of in the end of your message made it sound like this wasn't sarcasm 💔

[maiden quartz]

clueless

[echo leaf]

oh shit tank you for reminidnng me this exists

[median scaffold]

TANK YOU

[echo leaf]

I heard that red riding w/ explosive traps was a genuinely great combo and I was looking for an excuse to use it

[fathom sequoia]

this is honestly a non issue

[gritty plaza]

D'you think so?

Surely money should have some value even in the lategane

[fathom sequoia]

i mean

[gritty plaza]

The only time I remember grinding cash is for Bear's Eye

[fathom sequoia]

late game is mainly just reforging unless ur playing rogue anyways

[glass arch]

as soon as i kill evil2 i have unlimited funds from farming king slime

[crude geode]

^

[fathom sequoia]

if anything just make this a config in mod options

[crude geode]

money barely matters for most of the game, it should probably be changed

God no

[glass arch]

no

[gritty plaza]

No

[glass arch]

we dont need more config bloat

[tepid crown]

on a corruption world u can also use evil1 with some piercing weapon or watever

[gritty plaza]

Configs should be burned in holy flame

[crude geode]

“I don’t like this change, make it a config”

[tepid crown]

outisde of very early game money isnt an issue due to how easy it is to grind

[fathom sequoia]

i mean its good for giving both sides what they want but i can see why config bloat is an issue

[crude geode]

Giving both sides what they want just leads to nothing changing

[glass arch]

the only real money sink is drunk princess and even then everything is balanced without alcohols in play

[median scaffold]

Config bloat

[tepid crown]

i just realised something

[median scaffold]

And, frankly, most of them are rather situational

Except a few outstanders

[indigo yacht]

"nerf money severely" how

[tepid crown]

y dont we make lunar fragments shimmer into each other instead of spending 3 of the others to make 1 of the one u want

[glass arch]

make bosses drop amounts that arent 50 gold from king slime

[cinder karma]

the obsidian horseshoe suggestion has an incredible amount of yap

it could've been explained in a couple of sentences but it took a couple of PARAGRAPHS to explain it

in a confusing way as well tho

[indigo yacht]

that's not nerfing money that's nerfing a singular way to make money of which there are like at least a hundred

[fathom sequoia]

like

[tepid crown]

fun fact

[glass arch]

its the singular way that matters in cal

[tepid crown]

u can shimmer bacon into piggy

[indigo yacht]

you should tell the person who made it

[tepid crown]

kill piggy

[fathom sequoia]

even if you nerf the money that bosses drop people will still farm bosses for money

[tepid crown]

get bacon and money

[indigo yacht]

not really

[tepid crown]

shimmer the bacon

c:

[gritty plaza]

Aren't they fixing that in the next update?

[tepid crown]

idk

[indigo yacht]

yes

[median scaffold]

Yes

[tepid crown]

point is

trying to fix every money method ever is a sisyphean task

[crude geode]

Indeed

[tepid crown]

like

wat u gonna do against a zerg potion

[crude geode]

I’d rather anything besides bosses be the way to generate money

[indigo yacht]

because sitting under a lava pool during a blood moon is better than a boss fight

[tepid crown]

download fargos and generate it from deviantts stuff

i think nymphs give profit

pinkys too

in hm u get golden slime which is definitely a profit

[indigo yacht]

at least for bosses you actually do something

[crude geode]

“Boss fight” being holding left click on king slime?

[tepid crown]

lo

[fathom sequoia]

maybe im just biased against nerfing money because i play without qol so i take what I can get

but i just never really thought of it as an issue in any of my playthroughs

[median scaffold]

So, that boils down to either sitting and not doing anything, or having to summon and delete a boss

[median scaffold]

Even without QoL, money farming is not hard

[fathom sequoia]

yeah ik

[indigo yacht]

is there even a point to nerfing money

[tepid crown]

not rlly

[fathom sequoia]

if you dont want to abuse the money from bosses then just... dont?

[indigo yacht]

you're actually doing something

[fathom sequoia]

just like trash it or something

[indigo yacht]

that argument can be applied to a lot of things

[fathom sequoia]

fair

[median scaffold]

Not really

[tepid crown]

the problem is that this is an unavoidable part of the game

[indigo yacht]

for example; "this event sucks" "just don't do it then"

[tepid crown]

its not like not using cosmolight

[crude geode]

I mean the devs are doing it by nerfing the money drops from bosses

[crude geode]

.

[fathom sequoia]

the difference with that is that most of time events drop things nessecary to craft items so you cant avoid them

[indigo yacht]

you absolutely can avoid them

my point is that you shouldn't be forced to just because you don't like interacting with them

and it's fine to complain about that

[crude geode]

@drowsy plank can we get a lock on the money suggestion since altix has mentioned nerfing egregious money from bosses

Plus it was mentioned about putting it there

[fathom sequoia]

not without locking dozens of items tho