suggestions-discussion

[fleet grotto]

in p5 you also get like
pv! sob! nosk. is there another im forgetting

[distant gyro]

yeah though theres none of that here in case people found the event boring and didnt want to slog through it for exclusive content

• given a lack of HoG

[indigo yacht]

you don't have to restart the goblin invasion event if you die

[gritty plaza]

Make Invasions Restart When You Die
Invasions in their current state are far too easy. You can be the worst player in the world and still finish them, because as long as you can kill one enemy before dying, you'll finish it eventually. Making invasions reset after a death would make them into a proper test of skill.

[indigo yacht]

you will burn

[dense locust]

wait cooking?

[gritty plaza]

the state of this cook is approximately equal to le fishé au kérosène

[frail fox]

The horror

[dense locust]

dying at wave 14 of frost moon

and going back to tier 1

[violet zephyr]

Fargo's Souls Festive Moon changes.

[dense ferry]

As much as I agree with that, it's such a radical change and would be simply too polarizing. It'd also require a complete rebalance of how events as a whole work and are made

[gritty plaza]

wait no you weren't meant to agree with it

[dense ferry]

[gritty plaza]

it was supposed to be the worst idea i could think of

[violet zephyr]

What do you think of Fargo's Souls Festive Moon changes? They're not as drastic as "one death and it is all over", but it can still be difficult if you aren't prepared for it.

[dense ferry]

Idk what they are

[violet zephyr]

Dying reverses a bit of progress.

[dense locust]

make iron heart a permenant part of the game
respawns arn't cannon, so it only makes sense that dying to bosses shouldn't be cannon either, to make lore/gameplay parity better, the original iron heart should be brought back as an unremovable feature

[gritty plaza]

nonono

make it a config

[dense locust]

thats on by default

[gritty plaza]

but once you toggle it on it's locked on for that world

[indigo yacht]

the prophecy

[gritty plaza]

damn when's that from?

[dense locust]

nohitcord probably

[gritty plaza]

oh

[indigo yacht]

we were complaining about shroomed

[gritty plaza]

shroomed?

[indigo yacht]

odd mushroom nohits

[gritty plaza]

that sounds like a truly awful idea

[indigo yacht]

it's not that bad

scal is really hard but everything else is easy

[hollow verge]

GOD YOU GOT ME WITH IT

[frail mantle]

ok let me try one

[gritty plaza]

do i need to make worse satire?

[hollow verge]

no i mean like

i thought u were srs

[frail mantle]

Give DoG a very low chance to randomly spawn at any point of progression

[hollow verge]

theres some ppl out there who'd agree 😭

[vestal crater]

I don’t know how to feel about this

[indigo yacht]

awful idea

[vestal crater]

On the first hand, yes, on the second it’s boss rush

[gritty plaza]

i'm sorry i didn't read the whole thing

[dense locust]

cosmic plushie moment

[gritty plaza]

you want to make it last an hour????

[indigo yacht]

ok if there was a way to challenge the INDIVIDUAL boss rush tiers then maybe I'd be more receptive to increased health

[gritty plaza]

one hour is about fifty minutes too long for a terraria event

[vestal crater]

I want everything more balanced so you can actually fight the bosses in the beginning

[gritty plaza]

one that you have to do deathless anyway

[vestal crater]

Like eye

And slime

And crab

[dense ferry]

Boss Rush is already too long but I do agree it should overall be more challenging instead of just

[vestal crater]

Like the most difficult part is the bosses you just killed like 20 minutes ago

[dense ferry]

"Kill everything until Tier 5"

[vestal crater]

Ye

[violet zephyr]

Is Boss Rush still using Malice AI?

or

[indigo yacht]

• melt everything
• die to calclone cv yharon or scal

[violet zephyr]

Mainly using Malice AI.

[dense ferry]

Boss Rush suffers from being a slog for 20 minutes and then have insane difficulty spikes that will kill you near the end

[frail fox]

Unholy Malice + Master amalgamation

[violet zephyr]

Oh...

I see...

[dense locust]

malice master

[gritty plaza]

yeah cv is weirdly hard in br

dunno why

[violet zephyr]

Are the bosses fast enough to actually catch up with you now? Especially the early ones.

[dense locust]

bc its one of the few bosses you cant melt

very simple

[dense locust]

hey you can die to clone/prov sometimes too...

[violet zephyr]

I haven't actually done Boss Rush in a playthrough in a while now.

[dense locust]

oh you had clone

I just cant read

[gritty plaza]

i died to prov once

but only once

[frail fox]

PHM boss rush is like the hardest tier if your weapon doesn’t have good range

[dense ferry]

Byeah I already have some ideas to make this thing not be ASS

[gritty plaza]

yeah but what endgame weapon doesn't have range?

[hollow verge]

i can tell you: it's terrible

[dense ferry]

But we aren't going to make a Boss Rush overhaul anytime soon

[polar bison]

The nefarious queen bee

[vestal crater]

I mean true

[polar bison]

Yeah boss rush’s state right now is

A mess

[violet zephyr]

Earth.

[vestal crater]

I just think boss rush sucks currently but I do like the idea of having a more balanced boss rush

[hollow verge]

the only hard part is exoscal. or perhaps provi, she's killed some of my runs

[polar bison]

It’s in a perpetual state of being fixed every update cycle

[vestal crater]

Calclone imo

[dense ferry]

It's too much work for something that currently literally only exists to let you use the Shadowspec weapons and for one item with admitedly awesome lore but

[vestal crater]

The rock <3

[dense ferry]

Every testing round for that shit takes half an hour

[indigo yacht]

the nohit mnl is 10 minutes that's like just under 3x as long as scals who otherwise has the longest

[frail fox]

I mean this has just never happened, it’s entirely just hp adjustments and adding new boss ais if needed

[dense ferry]

We should probably make so you can challenge each Tier on its own later

[frail fox]

Intended killtime just has no reason to be 25 minutes long it’s insane

[vestal crater]

Tbh id rather do scal p rank on death master more than no hit boss rush

[dense ferry]

That should at least solve testing issues

[dense locust]

remember when exos/old duke went like a year and a half each before being added to br

[indigo yacht]

(yeah bc scal is fun and boss rush is not)

[violet zephyr]

Surprise.

Having a lot of bosses will make a Boss Rush very long.

[vestal crater]

True dat

[frail fox]

Was old duke added in 1.5 or with Exos in whatever version

[violet zephyr]

1.4 or something.

[polar bison]

That’s what I mean

[violet zephyr]

Acid Rain update.

[polar bison]

Not fixed more

[frail fox]

I mean to BR

[polar bison]

Adjusted

[violet zephyr]

Oh.

[vestal crater]

Oh also normal duke is harder than od in boss rush imo

[violet zephyr]

Rust and Dust.

It was added to BR.

[dense locust]

which was what, august 2020?\

so like
4 months

[violet zephyr]

Yes.

[indigo yacht]

isn't normal duke harder than old duke outside of boss rush as well

[dense locust]

imo old duke is still harder

[polar bison]

That’s because normal duke is pumped up on Fishron Antibodies in boss rush and doesn’t let you breathe

[dense locust]

mostly bc normal duke is free outside of p3

[polar bison]

Old duke has always been a pushover

[indigo yacht]

od is just circle simulator duke you have to actually kind of think about

[vestal crater]

I hate old duke so much so old duke is immediately harder cuz I have to focus on not tearing a hole into the fabric of existance

[violet zephyr]

Duke Fishron has Master changes in Boss Rush, apparently.

So it will be a bit more difficult than Old Duke.

[polar bison]

Normal duke ar the very least has its right behind you kid attack

[indigo yacht]

unpoppable bubbles

[dense locust]

unpoppable?

like

the gamemode

from -

[gritty plaza]

impoppable

every boss keeps spawning

if you haven't killed the old ones they just start stacking up

[dense locust]

unironically give betsy and ogre rev+ ai

[indigo yacht]

no

[mint lintel]

That's apopalypse, not impoppable. Fake Bloons fan.

[indigo yacht]

impoppable is the real bloons difficulty iirc

all the others are fake and lame

[dense locust]

chimps:

[indigo yacht]

fake and lame

[mint lintel]

CHIMPS is the real difficulty. Impoppable still has farming so past the early game it becomes trivial if you know what you're doing.

[indigo yacht]

ok but im bad at chimps so you're wrong

[mint lintel]

Place fewer towers and focus on upgrading the ones you have. Unless you're playing one of the harder maps CHIMPS is easy now with how much powercreep the game has gone through.

[dense locust]

skill issue?

[mint lintel]

Also we're getting very off-topic.

[dense locust]

carried by monkey knowledge?

also yeah off topic

[indigo yacht]

yes i do that

[unreal kelp]

I think I needed to specify that it will probably be an hour long

Maybe I exaggerated it a bit too much

[indigo yacht]

assuming you want each boss in br to be like their original boss fight, an hour is a very optimistic estimate

i could see it taking upwards of 2 hours with that

which is absolutely insane

[unreal kelp]

I think 30-40 seconds at least would make it challenging enough

Or maybe like ½ or ⅓ of original intended bossfight time

[indigo yacht]

br is already challenging because you spent 20 minutes going through a bunch of target dummies then you fight malice master scal

making the target dummies pretend to fight back wouldnt really be improving boss rush

[dense locust]

Again
I think br would be far more interesting if the boss ai was changed to actually work for a microfight format

[indigo yacht]

make the bosses start in final phase with double speed or something

[dense locust]

unironically make br exos more like gfb exos where they just spam their supers

[unreal kelp]

No.

[dense locust]

Remove brimstones normal phase so she just goes between cocoon phase and lasers

[indigo yacht]

but my walking simulator!!!!

i didnt order a circle simulator!

[dense locust]

Ig overall the idea would be making br fights more of a caricature of the fight rather than the actual fight

Take their most notable attacks and make the fights a “best of”

[indigo yacht]

scal completely unchanged

[dense locust]

Litterally

[frail fox]

Scal is all 5 BHs back to back

[indigo yacht]

ok nvm letting you cook

just do bh5 for three minutes

and then you win

[unreal kelp]

Honestly, I want BR to be something interesting because it has absolutely banging music for no particular reason

Waste of banger soundtrack fr

[frail fox]

Literally

[unreal kelp]

If not the "Trial of the Insane" I wouldn't even be that interested in boss rush

But now I want it to be an actual great event

[upbeat tundra]

Imo boss rush as a whole needs some big changes, not just number tweaks. It makes me giggle that for Infernum the terminus just says “we really don’t like boss rush but haven’t changed it yet so go ahead if you want.”

[dense locust]

Clearly we need to bring back the randomize br order suggestions

[frail fox]

Genius

[dense locust]

Are the br curses even still in the game I don’t think they are

[frail fox]

No

[gritty plaza]

I thought the wotg terminus thing was kinda pretentious... then I actually tried br

[indigo yacht]

i do agree with one thing about the suggestion which is that boss rush sucks except for the music

[median scaffold]

What did they do?

[dense locust]

The only one I remember is the one that disabled your immunity frames

There were 4 more but idr what they did

[north oracle]

Now that's peak

[frail mantle]

they referenced hk pantheon bindings

[indigo yacht]

radiant boss rush when

[frail fox]

Feel like that’s been done a good bit

[indigo yacht]

as an official addition though not with nycros or whatnot

well ig Armageddon existed

[royal tapir]

• No extra accessory slots
• No dashes
• No life regen
• Perma enrage (Now just always on, how fun)
• Taking damage twice within 3 seconds insta-kills

[frail fox]

So fun

Probably 5 people in history who used them

[novel belfry]

perma enrage

welcome back malic---

[indigo yacht]

i have a song for this hold on

https://youtu.be/xtLtEsVOi1c?si=CaD462eSB8Y-pbgj

[errant wren]

boss rush 2: malice edition

[novel belfry]

the music is probably the only thing keeping boss rush alive

[drowsy plank]

what if boss rush started grouping the boss spawns together

like why can't you just do half of prehardmode all at once

would make it a lot shorter

[median scaffold]

TF2 spawn system....

[oblique birch]

then the music would be so short

[indigo yacht]

all calamity lore characters should fight boss rush alongside you as well so that it would be a team fight

[median scaffold]

CDMusic on their way to create quite nice musical pieces:
The players on their way to request making BS shorter:
CDMusic:

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-glitch-matrix-gif-25245096

[errant wren]

arbitrary shields that disappear as you kill the bosses in order :clueful:

[median scaffold]

That's , you H.S.

[errant wren]

[olive saddle]

I agree with this, BR is mostly downtime if you have enrage and its a slog later on when the 6 second wait time is half of the time spent

[indigo yacht]

did you read the part where it mentions that br would probably end up being an hour or longer

[olive saddle]

Ok nvm i hate that lmao

[dense locust]

downtime should be like 4 seconds max

[olive saddle]

Not an hour but I'd like if bosses took like a minute thirty each

Maybe a minute

[whole tundra]

While on the topic of Boss Rush...

Make Boss Rush music not play when Xeroc is talking

The Boss Rush is an event where you face all the bosses in a row, but it also has a very important character talk, Xeroc. He talks at the beginning of each Tier of the Boss Rush, and the start of each tier also starts playing the music for that. The problem; the music doesn't fit with the dialogue and just feels off.

It feels weird to have intense tracks play, while someone is just talking to you about you being strong. Making the music only start playing after the dialogue would make the placement of the tracks feel much more natural.

[dense locust]

that would make it an hour

[indigo yacht]

i read that as "thirty minutes each"

[olive saddle]

Ah

[dense locust]

counterpoint you wont ever get to hear the t1 theme for more than 30 seconds unless it plays while xeroc is yapping

[whole tundra]

Synergizing with the previous BR suggestion

[indigo yacht]

suggestion synergies 😭

[dense locust]

I mean I get the feeling the previous sugg is not going to get into dev for whatever reason

[gilded citrus]

Suggestion double trouble

[whole tundra]

I sure love Tier 3's very intense and panicky music playing for like, not intense dialogue

[indigo yacht]

i wonder if anyone has ever submitted a suggestion then changed it to be completely different like a minute before it went into voting (or does the timer reset on edits)

[whole tundra]

It gets deleted

[indigo yacht]

ah

[olive saddle]

I love this and then playing for 20 seconfs because BR takes no time

[whole tundra]

Also, you cannot edit posts in #suggestions-voting

[indigo yacht]

if you wanted to make boss rush last longer i would prefer it to be more like the thing that clearly inspired it and separate the tiers as like... individual events kind of

so that when you die to tier 5 you haven't wasted a fucking hour just like 7 minutes

[dense locust]

whats in the tiers would have to change in that case

[gilded citrus]

You get jumped by the entire tier of bosses

[dense locust]

bc right now there is quite litterally 3 bosses in t5

[gilded citrus]

Literally rushed by bosses

[indigo yacht]

perhaps

i just have a burning animosity towards calamity boss rush in its current state so idrc what changes are made as long as they're positive

it's so half assed and unserious but people treat it like it's supposed to be serious

[errant wren]

no you see clearly it's super serious because you get rock at the end

[indigo yacht]

we either leave it as an excuse for an op weapon sandbox or we actually make it not dogshit

[indigo yacht]

like hollow knight pantheons or something, there's already obviously inspiration from hk

[indigo yacht]

lol this one again

[hollow shell]

except for the fact that Panth5 exists

[indigo yacht]

@clever valve you need a title

[analog wyvern]

Is deerclops non canon? I had no idea, my fault. However what I mean by a “little lacking” is when I defeat other bosses I love reading what Yharim has to say, but when I defeated deerclops, without getting some insight on what it is it also felt a lil weird. If the deerclops is non canon, maybe make it so that he drops lore on the snow biome or smth like that

[indigo yacht]

we can leave that to the unemplo- nohitters

[clever valve]

Huhwha

[indigo yacht]

your suggestion has no title

[clever valve]

OH

[gilded citrus]

Deerclops is cross over content
No crossover content is canon

[clever valve]

Done

Thanks for the catch

[hollow shell]

This has been suggested recently #suggestions-voting message
but I suppose it has been a month?

[indigo yacht]

also iirc the reason eutrophic glass walls don't exist is because nobody has gotten around to making the like... 80 sprites required just to add one item

[analog wyvern]

Maybe make him drop lore for the snow biome or smth at least

[hollow shell]

☝️

[clever valve]

Ahhh I was unaware of this

[hollow shell]

The Eutrophic Glass block has one of the most complicated sprite sheets in the game for a tile, in order to have that diagonal shine that always connects properly

And walls have different sheets than tiles so it'd basically need to be done all over again

[clever valve]

Yeah no I figured as much

[indigo yacht]

I'm pretty sure anyone can submit the sprites required for eutrophic glass walls though

they just have to be good

[clever valve]

…

[hollow shell]

Indeed. If anyone is smart enough to figure it out

[clever valve]

Time to open my pixel art program ig…!

[hollow shell]

for reference:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465195069406707722/1319045916870574101/EutrophicGlass_Tile.png?ex=67cf523d&is=67ce00bd&hm=b562c5beafc633b382e912e70fe6e76da4d4af5049dc0fc9bec25e08e350c386&

[golden sonnet]

This has actually been addressed for next update

[indigo yacht]

oh neat, how so

[hollow shell]

Define "addressed"

[gilded citrus]

What the fuck

[clever valve]

OH MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS.

[golden sonnet]

It's added, someone did a smart thing to create it in a smart way

[frail mantle]

BY THE GODS

[clever valve]

Oh awesome

[hollow shell]

oh pog!

[gilded citrus]

We making glass or a heavily animated dog resprite wtf

[indigo yacht]

goodness gracious that's like 5x as bad as i thought it was

[gilded citrus]

Oh nice

[clever valve]

This leads me to my next suggestion.
New boss.
The Devourer of Sprite Files.

[north oracle]

[hollow shell]

lol. lmao

[golden sonnet]

HPU the goat

[olive saddle]

I dont like the core concept as it feels lazy but clearly its not going anywhere

[indigo yacht]

i agree

[upbeat tundra]

Everyone knows that the really final challenge is THE LORDE anyway

Make him the final boss of boss rush, ez fix

[drowsy plank]

should i flag it when it reaches voting?

[grave zinc]

@autumn wagon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rewrite the vanilla bestiary entries that conflict with Calamity's lore]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[golden sonnet]

sure, that or I could retroactively flag one that passed

[violet zephyr]

#suggestions-voting message
Could this also be accepted/locked? I'm pretty sure it is already quite known that Cosmic Immaterializer needs a rework...

[drowsy plank]

actually yeah just do that and ill exclaim the one in voting

[grave zinc]

@sonic cargo - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Eutrophic glass walls]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[sonic cargo]

LOL

[errant cradle]

eutrophic glass got its happy ending

never thought id see the day

[glass arch]

i dont think there is a happy ending for that abomination of a spritesheet

[indigo yacht]

.

[drifting socket]

what the fuuuuuckkkk

[grave zinc]

@cinder karma - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Do something about the doors of the planetoid lab]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@fleet grotto - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Let the Cragmaw Mire make contact with the surface of water]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[echo kestrel]

holy moly that’s a lot of ❗

[cinder karma]

nice

should've suggested doing this with all of the labs though but whatever

[chrome holly]

Has it been suggested for whichever endboss you face 2nd to have more health?

The reason being: while she was fun, after beating the exo mechs after many, many tries Scalamitas felt quite easy, I beat her on try 5

[humble scarab]

Idk but it would be cool

Cuz i have seen on yt, that everytime anyone beated exos first, they beat scal with almost no problems

[chrome holly]

Yeah the exo box hard counters the bullet hells and exo weapons ensure that the time between two hells is minimal

[humble scarab]

Ye

[fleet grotto]

what about the other way around

scals loot, although good, is not comparable to exos. other than like. shattered community, which is insane

[indigo yacht]

I'm not sure I'd qualify it as exactly insane

[fleet grotto]

well true. but it's really good

[gilded citrus]

Idk about you but i beat scal with no problems anyways

[median scaffold]

I would qualify it as insane, mostly because it is the best offensive item in the entire game

[humble scarab]

By that i meant the same as towerator said

[maiden quartz]

Exos first is much more insane than scal first, Id say

[indigo yacht]

doesn't this

not happen

as in, you dont need scal to get princess

[kindred creek]

You don’t? I’m pretty sure you do.

[indigo yacht]

(or any other calamity NPCs for that matter)

have you tested it

[kindred creek]

I’ve done a lot of Calamity playthroughs. I guess I’ve never noticed this specifically.

[median scaffold]

Yeah, you only need vanilla NPCs to get the Princess, iirc
Also, for balance issues, go to #1178515062030348308

[kindred creek]

Uh… alright. I’ll check this right now actually.

[drowsy plank]

you only need vanilla NPCs to get princess, just like how you only need vanilla bestiary to get zoologist shop and universal pylon

[chrome holly]

I get the point that unless scal loot gets a buff/exo loot gets a nerf, doing exo second would be significantly harder than doing scal second if they scale the same way

[vocal moth]

scal loot does need a buff

useless

[humble scarab]

I dont remember using anything from scal against exo and later

[glass arch]

i used traitorous before they fucking killed it

[chrome holly]

Okay so my idea isn't bad but scal's drops need to be as strong as exo's first

Exo mechs are already a marathon as is

[drowsy plank]

i think we should blow ASE up from orbit

[whole tundra]

I dunno

[errant wren]

combination ingredient recipes should yield a prime number so they actually matter

[frail fox]

I mean I see where they’re coming from at least

[whole tundra]

Vehemence is already SS Tier if you use Oblatory with it and all the other post SCal mage weapons just go insane with it

[errant wren]

that isn't 1 or 2, i should add

[whole tundra]

It's just that Perdition needs a buff and that Ares' Exoskeleton, Cosmic Immaterializer, Supernova, Atom Splitter need a nerf

Aswell as a buff to vivid clarity and nerfs to sacrifice and oblatory as a whole

[frail fox]

I’d say a B tier exo weapons is better than a B tier post-scal weapon because exos killtime is 6 minutes and only has a 30 second decrease post-scal (because enchants bleh)

Several pre-exo/scal weapons can be better especially on specific mechs

[chrome holly]

Well it certainly doesn't help that the exo box counters Scal's bullet hell very efficiently

[gilded citrus]

Have scal mount that fucks up the exos

[drowsy plank]

alicorn 2

[chrome holly]

Honestly it would be kinda cool if there was some kind of drop for Scal that gave massive verticality or something, countering the exos

[drowsy plank]

i always saw exos as more of a horizontal fight

[errant wren]

make exo box have really good vertical movement, give scal a mount with good horizontal, then make shadowspec tier that combines them

clearly

[drowsy plank]

peak

[chrome holly]

imho depends on the phase but in all cases fast mobility is key

[drowsy plank]

true

scal mount with super dash

[chrome holly]

Quite the reverse of Scal who favors precision

[errant wren]

now we're talking

[golden sonnet]

Exo box + Coffin Car = shadowspec shifter

[drowsy plank]

peak

[golden sonnet]

It's real trust

[errant wren]

can we please just do this

[drowsy plank]

honestly something like relic of deliverance (i think that's the spear?) that just follows your cursor and moves Very Fast for a short period of time without you needing to switch off your weapon bc it's a mount would be pretty good i think

just the first idea that popped into my head for an scal mount thing that would help in exos

[frail fox]

Exhumed Relic of Deliverance

[chrome holly]

Almost all Scal drops' names are big fancy nouns

The name I have in mind would be "Outrage"

[cinder karma]

just make the ascendant spirit essence use 5 nightmare fuel OR endothermic energy ong

[zealous aspen]

How long does boss rush go for on average?

At the moment

[frail fox]

I mean it depends on a lot of stuff

It’s intended to be 25min, many get above or below that, and that’s not including the demonshade enrage, devil, or adren

[median scaffold]

I feel like 5 of Phantoplasm and 2 of everything else is... weirdly right?

[cinder karma]

kind of yeah

[median scaffold]

Although the opposite is probably the better choice, either way

[fleet grotto]

i disagree with this change
while i agree with the difficulty, atleast from personal experience, you will get less darksun fragments than the other, and that's how I always articulated it in my head

[distant gyro]

both moon events progress to a point where every enemy spawned is a miniboss dropping 10 energy

this never happens with the eclipse and as such its typically a less farmable event

the difficulty difference is there but sources widely agree grinding those events out is not supposed to be difficult with minimal preparation

[drowsy plank]

yeah i was gonna say

i dont want to go back to whenever it was that only mothrons dropped darksun i think

that was miserable

[kind laurel]

Here's mine! If you guys want I can add specific examples later today.

[upbeat tundra]

Mounts are kind of really hard to balance (at least I image) because they don’t cost anything in terms of accessories

[dense ferry]

Designing mounts in general is pretty bleh

It's like designing wings

Like, what the fuck do you give them?

[kind laurel]

I see that. I just feel like no one cares about mounts when they really should

[kind laurel]

Do you want an example? I'm about to do something but after maybe.

[astral sage]

big ass cool as fuck laser.

[kind laurel]

yep

[violet zephyr]

There's also the issue of designing them in a way that doesn't overshadow mobility accessories, or making them so bad there's no point in using them.

[dense ferry]

Surely, giving a mount offensive capabilities that rival weapons is a good idea

[kind laurel]

fair

[frail fox]

Exo Tank will solo scal

[kind laurel]

but trading flight for damage doesn't seem bad

[half imp]

santank my beloved

[dense ferry]

And there are just so many attacks you can put on a mount before it becomes stale

And at a certain point, you might as well just

Make the mount a weapon

[half imp]

depends

mounts can be more thematically interesting

[glass arch]

mounts are in a fucky place because they dont take an accessory slot but in several cases are flat out better than some movement accessories

[violet zephyr]

Flamsteed Ring.

[errant wren]

that one astral enemy weapon that's just kirby warp star

[half imp]

like gun that shoots lightning vs item that turns me into storm weaver to shoot lightning

one is significantly cooler

[kind laurel]

There are also so many attacks you can give weapons before they become samey
I'm not saying add 2 dozen-- although I'd like it-- but giving just 5 or 6 more would make me happy

[dense ferry]

Ok but as SoK pointed out

Flamsteed Ring

Just make that a Summon Weapon

[glass arch]

exo box and broomstick come to mind as mounts that completely overshadow mobility accessories at that stage

[half imp]

make flamsteed a mount

more realistically

[dense ferry]

Of course we still want to add some mounts but you gotta acknowledge that it's hard to make one from a conceptual standpoint

[kind laurel]

I apologize that I can't discuss my suggestion further but I have to do something irl for an hour

[half imp]

I don't think mounts are that bad but idk I'll look into it later

[kind laurel]

That is completely fair!

[half imp]

I think cal might.first need to rebalance existing stuff to give mounts niches to fill

Rebalance existing mounts*

[dense ferry]

I'm not talking from a coding standpoint, I'm talking about actually coming up with cool concepts and making sure they aren't a fucking nightmare to balance

[half imp]

yeah

[dense ferry]

Though making a Flamsteed Ring-like mount is probably fucking horrible to code too

[half imp]

I don't think it's quite that bad honestly but I haven't genuinely sat and thought it out

[dense ferry]

But we aren't gonna make that

[half imp]

@ fluffy I have a dev item idea for you

flamsteed 2 - cooler

[frail fox]

The last thing we need is another flamsteed

[drowsy plank]

10 mounts is a fucking lot. what

there are only 27 mounts in base

that's like over 1/3rd of the original mount count

[dense ferry]

I already think that nothing should ever be more complex than the Ark line (Ark, not BB) and Flamsteed Ring is up there in terms of that

[half imp]

realistically though more (or just revalanced) mounts can include more nuanced versions of the basic grounded / limited flight /infinite flight

[dense ferry]

It literally gives you a new character

[drowsy plank]

most of the mounts in vanilla are just clones anyway too like

[kind laurel]

Yes, but if Calamity can double the boss count I think a few extra mounts is completely doable

[drowsy plank]

bruh

it did

it added TEN

[errant wren]

scal shield thing as a mount

[drowsy plank]

that is A LOT OF MOUNTS

[half imp]

I think the issue with calamity mounts

isn't the lack of them

it's the lack of them that have a niche to use

we have what

[glass arch]

something something be quiet gamedev ideasguy is speaking

[royal tapir]

Quality over quantity

[half imp]

brimrose, exo box, alicorn

what else has a notable use case

[dense ferry]

All of Cal's mounts are just better UFOs or Alicorn

[drowsy plank]

that's already a problem with vanilla mounts too, and calamity already has trouble enough trying to make the vanilla ones good without overshadowing accessories and the likes

[frail fox]

Dragon mount cause it looks cool!

Important niche

[dense ferry]

Donor

👎

[half imp]

Dragon mount will be good next patch

[errant wren]

onyx excavator

[half imp]

bc it'll have quick ascension

[drowsy plank]

and worse slimy saddle

[half imp]

Oh yeah onyx

[drowsy plank]

and yeah onyx too

that's the only unique one

[dense ferry]

Oh yeah Onyx

[gritty plaza]

Add a draedon transformation

[kind laurel]

One mount is a set bonus, Onyx Excavator is a tool, and Rimehound sucks

[frail fox]

Worse golf cart

[errant wren]

i was joking

[drowsy plank]

wait lmao

that 10 count

is including fucking cart of the gods and marnite set bonus

bruh

[half imp]

Lol

[kind laurel]

Yeah I just looked at the wiki lol

[drowsy plank]

still the last thing we need is more

[kind laurel]

Helps my point

[drowsy plank]

the ones we have need to be good first

[frail fox]

Yharim cart

[drowsy plank]

which is simply not the case

[dense ferry]

Minecarts are the one thing I'm just gonna be

[kind laurel]

Makes sense

[dense ferry]

No

[half imp]

cart of the Godseeker

[kind laurel]

Okay but seriously I have to go now

[drowsy plank]

yharcart..........

[kind laurel]

The thing is at 3

[errant wren]

hell yeah

[dense ferry]

Mechanical Cart powercreeps Minecarts into oblivion already and DoG Cart is just

[errant wren]

didn't mean to ping mb

[dense ferry]

Even more fucked

[errant wren]

better molecart

[royal tapir]

"Powercreeps minecarts" is a crazy statement

[frail fox]

I mean they’re later in progression

[drowsy plank]

hey if calamity isn't adding anymore can we PLEASE get lava resistance and faster water movement on cart of the gods so it doesn't need to compete with a fucking. shadow chest drop and a preboss angler quest

[dense ferry]

I mean, am I wrong?

[half imp]

Minecarts are intended to just be vanity

[frail fox]

Guys Earth powercreeps Burnt Sienna

[half imp]

so it's fine

[royal tapir]

Probably not idk

[dense ferry]

The only thing I could see is a Yharcart

[errant wren]

can we please get a better molecart

[half imp]

like vanilla clearly just wants them to all be vanity

[dense ferry]

Because, ok

[half imp]

besides molecart

bc why not

[dense ferry]

Might as well just make "everything but endgame fucked"

[frail fox]

Can we get a asgard’s valor cart

[drowsy plank]

smh!!!!! demonic hellcart and minecarp have features!!!!!!!

[royal tapir]

Can we add a Mario Cart

[drowsy plank]

this is why cart of the gods should have them too

[half imp]

oh do they

[drowsy plank]

yeah demonic gives lava immunity and minecarp ignores water physics

[half imp]

make cart of the god's "feature" be upgrading the lasers or something

[drowsy plank]

i think cart of the gods should have these because like

[half imp]

Idk

[drowsy plank]

it's the last cart

[half imp]

or that

[glass arch]

also they have built in stats

[half imp]

Give it molecart too

just to haha

[frail fox]

How will this affect the cart economy

[half imp]

Minecart stats are all identical, no?

[drowsy plank]

molecart can just stay as molecart

[half imp]

In vanilla

[dense ferry]

Anyways Dia wants to add more mounts anyways so this conversation is meaningless

[glass arch]

no

[half imp]

with again molecart as the exception

[drowsy plank]

nah, but after the minecart upgrade kit they all become the same(?)

[dense ferry]

In his own words, he wants to make a Mount Only Run a reality

[half imp]

ah

ok

[drowsy plank]

awesome

[royal tapir]

Insane?

[half imp]

Based

[dense ferry]

Which I'm like

[drowsy plank]

so do i mark this suggest as check or lock

[dense ferry]

Sure go off that'd be funny

[glass arch]

upgrade kit sets their minimum to that iirc

[frail fox]

Already possible if you try hard enough

[half imp]

I support mount only run

[glass arch]

cart of the gods has a 1% chance to instantly kill a boss if you get reduced to 1 hp from boss contact damage

[half imp]

put me in charge of mount balance trust

[dense ferry]

Thanks to Old Fashioned we can afford to make their damage be shit outside of dedicated builds

[drowsy plank]

im just going to lock it in voting if no one says which one it should be since this is already in the devplans.jpeg

[royal tapir]

Does he know

[half imp]

make it make nebulous core revive stronger

like Silva wings

[royal tapir]

Silva Wings doesn't make Silva revive stronger anymore, denied

[half imp]

shh

[frail fox]

Cart of the Gods is now Draconic Elixir

[half imp]

that wasn't the important part

[glass arch]

nebulous core heals one (1) extra hp

[dense ferry]

What's the new Silva Wings effect again?

[royal tapir]

Luckier Tooth Hades 2

Scaling life regen based on how long you stay in the air without resetting flight

[dense ferry]

Oh yeah that's based

[half imp]

oh that's fun

does that allow aero stone to be good

with it

[frail fox]

No more set bonus wings 🙏

[half imp]

leaf wings:

[frail fox]

Just set them on fire

[half imp]

(they deserve it tiki needs them)

[royal tapir]

No wings rely on armor sets

Except the Lunar Wings

Since their effects involve enhancing the set bonuses

[dense ferry]

I still disagree with that but can't really do anything about that

Lunar Set is already fucked enough

[frail fox]

Stardust was desperately in need of a buff clearly

[royal tapir]

There isn't really a concrete justification for being the exception other than "It's vanilla endgame and it's certainly better than giving 7% damage 3% crit chance"

[half imp]

solar wings giving dash velocity is a :/ though

solar dash does not need velocity it's already the second longest...

[royal tapir]

Idea considered GIF

[frail fox]

What’s the thing with Vortex again, didn’t it get very slightly nerfed for some reason so it’s worse than Astral without stealth?

[half imp]

solar armor when the ram doesn't deplete the shield when

[half imp]

Vortex RN is worse than astral without stealth, correct

With stealth it's better

vortex wings will let you dash in stealth mode iirc

Or something

[royal tapir]

Clearly make the logic be reversed

Shield is depleted when you don't hit an enemy

[half imp]

sounds hilarious

and genuinely might be more useful

[violet zephyr]

Let you use hover, which significantly increases your horizontal movement speed.

[half imp]

they already let you use hover

[violet zephyr]

Next update, they'll have dash allowance.

[half imp]

yes

That's what I was saying

[royal tapir]

If Astral is better than Vortex then Astral is overturned

[half imp]

I mean vortex was nerfed tbf

[royal tapir]

Not like I remember what Astral does

[half imp]

vortex stealth is just insane

[royal tapir]

Yeah I know I was the one who nerfed the Lunar armors

[half imp]

without it I don't think vortex was that crazy? but I don't play ranger idk

[violet zephyr]

Vortex itself wan't nerfed much it seems, so it just looks like Vortex without stealth is weak.

Only nerf that isn't towards stealth.

[royal tapir]

Okay yeah Astral is just insane

[violet zephyr]

(This is to the helmet.)

[half imp]

25% crit and 30% dmg for vortex no stealth

[dense locust]

astral is very strong but vortex is also just nerfed for very little reason which is the main reason astral is better

[violet zephyr]

Meanwhile, Astral has 25% critical chance and 35% damage.

Not to mention the minion slots and the free set bonus.

[frail fox]

Set bonus is a nerf I fear

[violet zephyr]

What do you mean by that?

[royal tapir]

Vortex was nerfed for good reason, that being that it was objectively much better than Tarragon

Vortex is not weak, Astral is strong

[frail fox]

This is why Tarragon needs to be exploded

[half imp]

Tarragon is kinda weak
28% dmg
23% crit

[dense locust]

I would argue that tarragon is also too weak but I digress

[half imp]

Red Riding gives 25% dmg 20% crit iirc

that's like post golem vs post proci

[royal tapir]

Tarragon is mainly fine because of being a defensive focused set

[violet zephyr]

Isn't that weaker than Vortex by itself...

[royal tapir]

It will explode eventually

[half imp]

and red Riding isn't even that great post golem

yeah it is a defensive set

32% dmg
25% crit

on bloodflare

[royal tapir]

Red Riding is insane when you consider that those boosts are better than Hydrothermic alongside giving 60% summon damage

[dense locust]

ooa moment

[royal tapir]

Explode all OOA content

[dense locust]

and then bf mage gets fucking 42 25 bc its competing with prismatic

[half imp]

ooa content's strength is basically tiered immediately pre Cultist in vanilla

[frail fox]

BF mage lmao

[half imp]

Yeah they uh

They put all of one stat bonus on one armor piece

because??

[dense locust]

25% magic crit dark artist is probably still worse than running full brimflame

[violet zephyr]

Because.

[half imp]

like the 25% crit isn't actually that insane itself it's just all on one armor piece

[gaunt needle]

I am very very late so forgive me but I believe no one mentioned it in the past conversation so

Mechanical minecart is a permanent upgrade which makes all your carts faster

[dense locust]

mhm

[half imp]

Yeah

[gaunt needle]

Wait no it was mentioned, I am once again very sorry

[dense locust]

adamantite headgear + mollusk chest + dark artist pants is 22% damage 43% crit

lmao

or it would be if da pants wern't nerfed

[royal tapir]

🙏

[frail fox]

Devs, nuke mollusk immediately

[royal tapir]

I have bigger fish to fry

[dense locust]

no dont its funny

[frail fox]

Good thing mollusks aren’t fish

[royal tapir]

Early Hardmode armor set gives 55 defense

Awesome

I have never looked at this thing ever

[dense locust]

mollusk is what happens when you try to pull an omega blue while making the main downside the set bonus

[frail fox]

It’s so awesome

[half imp]

move omega blue no Regen to the set bonus

it would be funny

realistically though move 1/3rd of mollusk's lost speed to each armor piece and problem solved!

[ashen warren]

i beat ml !!!

wrong challel oop

[indigo yacht]

that's a lot of messages i will not be reading before offering my doubtless original and well informed input

that mount suggestion reasoning is kind of bad

[fleet grotto]

iagree with the suggestion but i also disagree with the suggestion

[indigo yacht]

i do not care in the slightest

i dont use any mounts besides fastfall and witch's broom for a single attack from a single boss

[indigo yacht]

"add more because there should be more"

that's not really a reason

[prisma sedge]

I saw someone mention a "Yharcart", and it made me imagine a cart that moves about the same speed as a regular cart, but when it hits a stopper or bumper rail, it just sends you flying backward

[gaunt needle]

auric bumper rail

[prisma sedge]

[dense locust]

wait that sounds fire

[indigo yacht]

"calamity only has one event, but since it's the biggest mod, they should add more events"

[gaunt needle]

actually yhauric bumper cart is probably better

so you can bump into other players

[prisma sedge]

Oh yeaahhh, that'd be sick

Honestly, I feel like that could end up being like golfing, where it's mostly a fun extra thing you can use that doesn't serve much of a mechanical purpose on its own, but has really interesting and niche uses in maps

[half imp]

make it bounce off enemies too

and auric reject them

[prisma sedge]

The minecart already kinda does that, so it'd probably be doable

[prisma sedge]

Also, with this in mind...we'd just need to pair it with a Yharhook that can pull players and NPCs toward you, and it'd be perfect

[indigo yacht]

#suggestions-posting message "since the mod adds a bunch of other stuff it should add mounts too" isn't a reason

[gaunt needle]

since the calamity mod adds around 2x bosses that in vanilla, it should also add 2x as many torch types

[cold cosmos]

It kind of already does actually

[fleet grotto]

no

calamity adds 7 torches and there's like. 25 vanilla torches

or smth

[median scaffold]

Clearly, Calamity should double Vanilla's content

[cloud spruce]

Hm?

[median scaffold]

?

[vestal crater]

Calamity should double all modded content ever

From all games ever

[fleet grotto]

calamity should increase exponentially ever update

[indigo yacht]

astralgeldon 2

[steep patrol]

Oh wait what you a dev now? Congrat!

[half imp]

not quite

oh

yes

[errant wren]

yo what the ding dang

[north oracle]

Only 20% a dev

[errant wren]

john clamity

yo what the heck

john calamity

[steep patrol]

Dear John calamity, when will we get calamity 2?

[north oracle]

We already have calamity 2

[prisma sedge]

Honestly, I'm still kind of in love with this idea! Because I feel like both could actually make sense as inclusions in their own way, but then together, you'd have a strategy where you can get hit by a YharKart, hook in the player that hit you, get hit again, then repeat! Like the mace and wind charge thing in Minecraft, but you take a boatload of damage with every charge

[dense locust]

if calamity 2 is so good wheres calamity 2 and one quarter

[errant wren]

if calamity 2 was so good where's calamity 2 2?

[royal tapir]

Good enough for patent laws

[fleet grotto]

No

[indigo yacht]

this is an SIS i think?

[dense locust]

it can easily be changed to be made les sis-y though

[indigo yacht]

yeah

[fleet grotto]

"make encumbering stone not affect coins"

[royal tapir]

Or we could just... make Coins be exempt from Encumbering Stone

[dense locust]

what if you dont want to pick up coins though ever think about that

[royal tapir]

So then what is the issue

[dense locust]

if you were that person you would simply not star this suggestion

[steep patrol]

Make it able to toggle twice

[fleet grotto]

make lucky coin (and upgrades) deny the effect of encumbering stone on coins when equipped

[steep patrol]

No effect
No item but coin
Nothing at all

[drifting socket]

just use quick stack

[half imp]

that would be really easy to do tbh

[drowsy plank]

@sly creek Could you focus more on the reasons why this is useful or what the issue is instead of a specific item suggestion?

[golden sonnet]

A suggestion has already been denied for removing meld constructs, which is pretty much what this asks for, but idk

[kindred creek]

can I ask why? Is there a reason that both of these items are in the game when one of them's entire prupose is to be turned into the other?

[distant gyro]

thematic reasons i think

[kindred creek]

what theme?

[distant gyro]

for similar reasons you dont craft iron broadsword with iron ore

[kindred creek]

but you can craft a spear made of fragments of the sun without sun plates. What is meld?

[drifting socket]

what do you mean you don't craft an iron broadsword with iron ore? I can mush together a sword out of raw metal just fine! with my bare hands!

[distant gyro]

i dont do lore so i cant give a definitive answer to that question

[kindred creek]

why cant they just change the lore? Or add another pillar?

meld is the rogue lunar fragment

adding a pillar is probably hard tho

but I feel like there are other ways to do this than adding an random extra item

iron ore is at least a placable block in the world

meld blobs literaly dont do anything

[distant gyro]

adding a pillar is i think a bit of a taboo since its a vanilla event and its one that players also really despise

and they would probably prefer not needing to do another one

[drifting socket]

add 20 new pillars

it would be good for the lore

[distant gyro]

thats part A

part B is just that i dont think the existence of one extra item is a big deal

[kindred creek]

but it isnt that hard to remove it, right?

[drowsy plank]

i remember people asking meld constructs to just get turned into blocks

they're such a goofy item i really dont get it

or how it is lore at all

[distant gyro]

no but people the consequences of having it be one way or another doesnt really matter so why change it

[dense ferry]

As I answered in Dev: there is none

[distant gyro]

if meld is one item whatever if its two whatever

[dense ferry]

The "thematic reasons" are from a time Meld was being tied to Noxus/Dark Gods, and the Astral Infection was caused by Noxus

That's not the case anymore

[kindred creek]

so is my suggestion just gonna get rejected again?

[drowsy plank]

meld is just obnoxious in its current state, there's zero reason for it to be the only fragment to require a craft before it can be used

the block idea just makes way more sense esp with all the other fragments having bricks now anyway

[golden sonnet]

Currently I am flagging it, as it has been explicitly denied in the past. That being said I brought it up in dev to see why it was denied in the past and to discuss removing it there.

[distant gyro]

if it happens it happens

[golden sonnet]

So it's technically exclaimed, but reached the dev server indirectly

[kindred creek]

very cool

[drifting socket]

🪣 how did we get here

[indigo yacht]

bucket

[steep patrol]

Quite a weird way to fast travel

[median scaffold]

Wait for CCR's update

[novel belfry]

Maybe if it was more tied to the Astral Infection, i think meld might work better?

[hollow shell]

(Meld isn't connected to Noxus anymore?)

(Dang.)

Also I was gonna say that the previous Meld Construct removal suggestion that got rejected was pre-22
but... nope, it wasn't.

so uhh idk
The previous sugg was Aug 8 2023
so just after Hellish Harbour (2.0.3.001, Aug 1 2023), meaning only one major update has come out between then and now, that being Bountiful Harvest (2.0.4.001, May 10 2024)

so I spose it can be reasonably assumed that the devs would reject it again

_ _
Do you think it'd be different enough if it was Remove Meld Blobs only

[novel belfry]

you made me look through earlier suggestions

what if i reposted the rename dragonfolly sugg for the umptheenth time

(#suggestions-voting message)

I'm actually confused about this Earth Elemental suggestion I wrote a year ago: (#suggestions-voting message)

It was rejected for some reason, I forgot what that was. But, assuming the Unofficial Future Content isn't wrong here, the Earth Elemental is apparently getting renamed as well? So assuming that's correct, shouldn't my suggestion's outcome be changed?

[grave zinc]

@fleet grotto - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Let the Cragmaw Mire make contact with the surface of water]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[whole tundra]

Again???

[gilded citrus]

If anything itd be related to moonlord now
Which uh
Tbf at full power is a similiarly big if not even bigger threat then noxus

[whole tundra]

Didn't it post the exact same message yesterday

[median scaffold]

Not again, but once more

[indigo yacht]

@tidal storm doesn't this already exist? also no title and no reasoning

[tidal storm]

It does?

[indigo yacht]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Brimstone_Lava_Fountain

[tidal storm]

That's amazing

Thank you

[cinder karma]

i'm sure like half of the player base would support that suggestion though

at least i would

having 2 practically identical items just because "lore" is pretty stupid

i constantly confuse them with each other because of their similarity

the sole purpose of Meld Blobs is to be crafted into an other item and you people just justify their existence with the lore

whereas even ores have other purposes except being crafted into bars

[dense ferry]

I literally said their existance is not supported by lore anymore

[cinder karma]

even better

[indigo yacht]

so many uses

you can make bricks

and uh that's it

i do agree with removing meld blobs/constructs

[dense locust]

meld blocks

[drifting socket]

Holy ❗s Batman

[worthy lintel]

the harvest will be bountiful

enough exclamation points to survive winter

[median scaffold]

It is at least a placeable block, so there's that

[cinder karma]

using them as blocks, selling for profit when you can't do shi early game and such

[rugged belfry]

In regards to the mounts suggestion, I disagree strongly. Calamity adds a sufficient amount of movement accessories that makes most mounts useless.

[drowsy plank]

it doesnt help that most of the mounts it adds are kinda trash besides some very strong outliers, and the vanilla mounts are heavily nerfed lol

[dense locust]

doesnt that mean there should be more better mounts

isnt the only nerfed vanilla mounts the 2 slimes

[half imp]

pogo

[dense locust]

ah

[half imp]

pogo... :(

[dense locust]

so basically if it fastfalls

[drowsy plank]

is unicorn still nerfed

[dense locust]

oh

[half imp]

probably

[dense locust]

yeah

[drowsy plank]

yeah

i know i think i got CIT to make UFO immune to water

[dense locust]

broom the only survivor of the mount purge

[drowsy plank]

but the rest of the mounts are in dire straights

yeah

[half imp]

mounts are on my list of things to look at

[spice stream]

the naughty and nice list

[dense locust]

I mean cook but holy shit did you burn the meal

[maiden quartz]

which parts specifically?

[dense locust]

I agree with the problem but not the solution

[drowsy plank]

@jolly minnow this focuses way too much on solutions and not the problem

you need to explain why cosmolight is problematic, and why the changes to it should be necessary, not focusing on ways to change it

as someone else previously mentioned also, i think the way you use cosmolight is also incredibly unintuitive, since it just sort of skips chunks of time instead of just swapping back and forth between day and night now

it's a very problematic item for how strong it is, how early you get it, how many things it invalidates, and how it functions, but you just focus on solutions instead of the problem

[violet zephyr]

Beds make Bloody Tears practically useless.

[drowsy plank]

which isn't the purpose of this channel

that is also true

cosmolight should just get an exception like journey mode time skipping that simply

makes it so it doesnt spawn events

yknow?

[drifting socket]

Not if you value your time

[violet zephyr]

Journey Mode doesn't have those exceptions.

They spawn events and bosses as if time went on normally.

[violet zephyr]

That's the joke...

[drifting socket]

ohe

[violet zephyr]

Cosmolight doesn't actually make Bloody Tears useless, since you still need to put in time for the Blood Moon to start.

[half imp]

It does make them significantly less useful though

in some ways I guess

because cosmolight is a lot faster than a bed

[gritty plaza]

It may make bloody tears less useful but Calamity makes 'em unconsumable anyway so you only need one which you'll almost certainly get in phm anyway

[errant wren]

assuming you don't get wildly unlucky, of course

[gritty plaza]

Mm, I didn't get my first blood moon till after slime god

But still

[jolly minnow]

@drowsy plank I see, that makes a lot of sense thank you

Is there anything I should change on my suggestion?

[errant wren]

probably just write something like "hey cosmolight makes certain aspects of the game too trivial"

or something

avoid adding a solution to make the sugg more viable for devs, assuming it gets sent to them

[jolly minnow]

Hmm I see

Thx

[errant wren]

that's better

i think

[drowsy plank]

yeah that works

i dont think it's as thorough as it could be but like

it works so

cool

[median scaffold]

Cosmolight suddenly becoming post-DoG...

[jolly minnow]

True but

It’s efficient :D

[glass arch]

cosmilite cosmolight

[median scaffold]

Cosmilight

[glass arch]

cosmolite

[jolly minnow]

If that happens then I bet an angry mob will show up at my door

[glass arch]

nah everybody loves post dog progression

[median scaffold]

Fuck post-DoG tier

[glass arch]

everybody loves it so much that we should move everything there

[median scaffold]

You know what

Move PBG to post-DoG and everything else back to non-post-DoG stages

[glass arch]

monkeys paw curls

[median scaffold]

THANKS

[glass arch]

everything is post golem

[median scaffold]

OH, WAIT

FUCK

[gritty plaza]

everything is now post-WoF

[glass arch]

as god intended

[median scaffold]

That is called "Hardmode"

[gritty plaza]

yeah ik

i just wanna screw with the low% players

[median scaffold]

That will make them only stronger

And then you'll kill WoFless% players

[violet zephyr]

Cismilite.

[gritty plaza]

aren't they killing low% at some point anyway?

[glass arch]

no

[gritty plaza]

cause they're retiering ravager

oh?

[glass arch]

thats just rerouting not killing the route

[gritty plaza]

but how can you get life alloy with no ravager?

[glass arch]

shimmer chain

[drowsy plank]

yeah cryonic is part of the chain now

so you just need to be able to mine scoria really

[dense locust]

even if it wasnt you could just sub the current route for cryogen and nothing would change

I think>

maybe?

[violet zephyr]

No, since you also need Ectoplasm from somewhere.

[dense locust]

shimmer phanto

[golden sonnet]

🤓 Necroplasm actually

[dense locust]

it will always be phantoplasm in my mind

[next swift]

:)

it would be so cool...

if you calmly

and POLITELY

left my bff cosmolight alone...

:D

[hollow shell]

Wondering if Cosmolight sugg's title should be edited to be more descriptive

User already had to edit it, seemingly, so I don't wanna nag over something minor

[next swift]

whada suggestin

like:

“Adjusting Cosmolight’s interactions”?

-# just somethin i thought up on the spot over here, hehe

[rugged belfry]

To be fair their suggestion title makes me want to read the rest of what they wrote

That's just good writing right there

[indigo yacht]

ok we got 3

because everyone uses silver ore as decoration

oh boy cosmolight suggestion

i agree with the sentiment but this will get like 3 stars in voting

calamity players are not a fan of nerfing things

[errant wren]

elsi when the sugg gets 4 stars in voting

[indigo yacht]

if that happens i will literally

[tardy geyser]

add sundial to cosmolights recipe tbh iirc

[dense locust]

real

[rugged belfry]

Actually don't hate that idea

[dense locust]

force people to fish if they want it

[errant wren]

fishing is peak

[rugged belfry]

Fishing is so horribly boring in every game except Stardew Valley

[indigo yacht]

fishing overhaul will fix everything trust

[oblique birch]

fishing is not peak

this ain't Stardew

[jolly minnow]

It was just an idea for fairness purposes :D

[next swift]

:(

[jolly minnow]

I can, what do you think would fit it better?

[indigo yacht]

just be more specific in your intentions

"changes to cosmolight" could be virtually anything

[jolly minnow]

True…

[next swift]

ima cry if i have to fish for cosmolight

i already dont touch sundial

[indigo yacht]

if only calamity made fishing wildly easier to deal with

if only

[next swift]

ima end up never seeing that item again LOL

[jolly minnow]

I’ve never done this suggestions this before if you couldn’t tell

But I will contribute to the betterment of calamity if I can

[indigo yacht]

Remove Destroyer

do i need to explain why

[dense locust]

LOL

[next swift]

PFFFFT

[jolly minnow]

Okie I changed the title

Maybe it’s a little better now

[flint rose]

im not sure why we would make cosmolight harder to obtain

[indigo yacht]

for the sake of balancing

e.g, there's a reason you don't just spawn in with full platinum armor (or whatever other armor set you want), you have to put in usually substantial effort to get it

cosmolight takes like 3 minutes to get and is incredibly useful for the entire game

the logic goes that you should have to put more effort in to get it, which would inadvertently make stuff like the sundial and moondial a bit more useful since some people would be lazy

I don't think anyone really likes the idea of fishing for cosmolight but as of right now that's generally the best way to make it require more effort on the player's part while remaining thematic

anyways i heard something about "quests" from amidias that would award stuff like the sundial, so it's not the only option

[glass arch]

people can not like fishing but calamity also makes fishing and getting fishing gear infinitely easier

[indigo yacht]

very true

you can get 85% power in minutes

and then like 110% in a few more minutes after that

[glass arch]

and golden fishing rod as soon as you find the angler and sulph sea

[dense ferry]

I think it'd just be better to move Cosmolight to PML

[hollow shell]

What you have is better than before but it could be even more specific than that
Like
"Make Cosmolight harder to obtain or use."

The title shouldn't like, hint at what you're suggesting and thus require you to read the suggestion to see what you mean

The title should essentially stand on its own, it should be what you want changed

[hollow shell]

That'd be ballsy, but maybe yeah

[dense ferry]

Or Post Plant

Which is when you can do Festive Moons

[hollow shell]

Perhaps

[indigo yacht]

agree

I'd prefer if the moondial cooldown was lowered though

[dense ferry]

I think the best thing we can do is

Buff Moondial, maybe accelerate time passage while sleeping

And if those two things are taken care of, then we move Cosmolight to PML

[tardy geyser]

crafted at manipulator with fragments would fit the theme

[violet zephyr]

Make Cosmolight use both Sundial and Moondial.

[indigo yacht]

i usually take a decent bit of time between mech bosses but if I'm on a higher difficulty sometimes it takes me multiple nights to kill one so I'd prefer to not have to wait like 20 minutes in between a set of attempts

although...

hmmm

[golden sonnet]

I like this personally

[violet zephyr]

It is what Fargo's does.

[glass arch]

its what it used to do before sunlight and moonlight or whatever they were called got removed

[frail fox]

Then they got removed for being pointless cause you just upgraded them immediately to cosmolight 💔

[glass arch]

i swear there was some progression lock for cosmo

[indigo yacht]

kill the king slime

[tardy geyser]

moonlight took fridgid bars I think? so that would have been locked by cryo. but then that was immediately upgraded into cosmolight

[glass arch]

ok nope there wasnt it was just locked post cryo because of frigid bars

[errant wren]

#suggestions-posting message for multiple reasons this will probably never happen

[glass arch]

i dont think it can happen regardless

iirc the steam points shop only works for actual games and not stuff on the workshop

[median scaffold]

If only Calamity was a real game

I guess you could do this for tMod instead, but... yeah, this will probably never happen