suggestions-discussion

[frosty trellis]

Also if you just time it wrong you don't get to play the game

Which leads to shit gameplay experiences

[drowsy plank]

why are you using ion blaster with brimflame

yknow personally like

i wouldnt use thorn blossom and omega blue together

[dense locust]

ion blaster....
why is ion a one off why are there not more weapons with its gimmick

[drowsy plank]

but that's just me

[dense locust]

omega blue with any kind of defensive loadout that isnt heavy bloodflare core abuse

[drowsy plank]

or bloodflare weapons and omega blue

[glass arch]

you shouldnt be but 1 or 2 earlier tier weapons shouldnt be entirely discounted

especially when tiers are as tightly packed as they are in early hardmode

[drowsy plank]

"it feels required to make a defensive loudout when using thorn blossom and omega blue"

that's it

that's the argument

[dense locust]

what is this statement

[drowsy plank]

it's what mpg said but with my example

[glass arch]

it was my example originally

[drowsy plank]

i dont know why using ion blaster with brimflame making permafrost feel required is reasoning for this change but if you did a similar build with another armor set that's a complete anti-synergy people would just

point that out

[glass arch]

and yeah like its a couple tiers earlier but once again this is early to mid hardmode tiers are separated by literally single bosses

[frosty trellis]

The ion blaster thing was Jacob's yeah

But there are two flaws with this argument

Omega blue is strong on its own

So strong that it's a legitimate shock it hasn't been nuked into the fucking core of the sun

[dense locust]

yknow what else is strong on its own?
fucking brimflame

[drowsy plank]

thorn blossom is a couple tiers before omega blue

YEAH

[dense locust]

nothing comes even close to its stats until astral

[frosty trellis]

Okay

Yes
It's strong

I am not denying that

But why does it need to have a shit gameplay experience attached?

[glass arch]

the difference is that omega blue also can deal a non negligible amount of damage on its own without any weapons and also has built in ways to bypass the biggest downside of the armor set

[frosty trellis]

You could make phase slayer an SS tier weapon but it's so ass to use it doesn't matter because the gameplay experience sucks so much that people don't want to use it anyways

[glass arch]

it has built in lifesteal which bypasses the biggest kneecap the armor has by default which is disabled regen

[violet zephyr]

Clearly the solution is for Brimflame to have mana-steal.

[dense locust]

speak for yourself I would gladly kill my hand for funny spin weapon

[drowsy plank]

so the obvious answer is brimflame should make it so hitting enemies-YES

lmfao

[frosty trellis]

Mana steal could also work

I could see that doing something

[dense locust]

cuffs

[drowsy plank]

please do not encourage this

as someone with hand problems this is bad game design

[frosty trellis]

I could see that being a compromise solution

If you want to keep the no mana Regen + add the no mana potions

Mana steal could work

[glass arch]

and i think people would also have a pretty fucking large issue with omega blue if it also just completely removed the ability to use healing potions while doing x or y action

[frosty trellis]

Or imagine if omega blue disabled rippers

[violet zephyr]

No more healing during Abyssal Madness...

[drowsy plank]

that sounds fine tbh

[dense locust]

tbf the thought of omega blue just enabling iron heart is pretty funny

[tired haven]

Mana steal would not enable ion blaster to work well with brimflame btw unless it reaches infinite mana threshold

[drowsy plank]

lo

look legitimately idk how ion blaster brimflame situation is any different than thorn blossom omega blue

[dense locust]

unrelated but now I kinda wanna try a cuffs setup with ion blaster

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[glass arch]

the ion blaster example was flawed from the start i just used it as an example to try to get my point across (mainly because i forgot that ion blaster wasnt post plant

[tired haven]

Cuffs are such an xd item yeah

[frosty trellis]

I don't care

It isn't about balance

It's about gameplay

And that isn't a good gameplay

If you want to make omega blue not as destructive with rippers then you make the set bonus get affected by rippers less

Something that should happen anyways because it can 60->0 dog as is and enforcer + omega blue + double ripper can 90->0 Yharon

Hell even on its own omega blue ability is really strong

[drowsy plank]

are cuffs finally gonna get those buffs stip suggested

[tired haven]

Context needed

[royal tapir]

Mana Cuffs rework in 2028

[dense locust]

oh?

[drowsy plank]

all im hearing is that both of these are really broken

if they do actually get nerfed maybe brimflame should be looked over again

[drowsy plank]

literally just. it actually inherents all the previous accessory effects

the mana regen, the 20 mana, and a little defense

[glass arch]

something being broken should not be an excuse for making something miserable to use

[frosty trellis]

I don't think Brimflame needs a nerf

After the change where it went from a multiplicative bonus to an addictive one it no longer lets you melt bosses to an unreasonable extent with rippers

With a post duke fishron weapon on plantera

It's fine

[drowsy plank]

didnt mpg say that the only issue is some people might not realize you can toggle the set bonus

[frail fox]

This for all of the mage class

[drowsy plank]

no that would be in 2083

[dense locust]

oh
mana band isnt even good iirc

[tired haven]

I see i see. Idk though. Could be cute
-# i'm a bit confused because cuffs entire identity is in their new effect anyway so it probably wont change the usecases much

[dense locust]

wait would that also mean it inherits band of regen

[tired haven]

Its placebo tier yeah

[dense locust]

because that would be really funny

[drowsy plank]

they're just bad rn, and having those stat buffs would be nice because in combination it might be usable

[frosty trellis]

Double ripper brimflame razorblade typhoon does 45% on plant

Anything further takes less

It's fine

[drowsy plank]

i think it should
as a treat

lord knows mage needs it

[frail fox]

So excited for calamity updates then

[dense locust]

3 defense and 1 hp/s
almost a crown jewel

[frosty trellis]

Sounds fine to me

Why does mana cuffs not give defense anyways

[glass arch]

imagine if omega blue not only disabled natural regen but also reduced healing from potions and didnt have lifesteal on the tentacles
that would be pretty miserable id say and i dont think people would be fine with it

[drowsy plank]

hey i mean if its entire purpose it to get smacked in the face

[dense locust]

(tiershifted to like post evil1 because fuck you)

[drowsy plank]

why not

[frosty trellis]

It literally uses a shackle in the recipe

[steep patrol]

Why mana cuff only use 1 shackle in it recipes

[drowsy plank]

the other one is the band obvs

[frosty trellis]

Mana cuffs using 2 shackles and then make it have 6 defense

Would be so peak

[steep patrol]

Then what is the chain

[dense locust]

I swear something used to take like 6 shackles
or am I thinking of some old modded item

[glass arch]

so why are we fine with brimflames active removing the ability to regen mana outside of star statues and an already ass accessory from *checks notes* PRE FUCKING BOSS

[drowsy plank]

terrarian magic

[glass arch]

and if its not preboss its post eoc

[royal tapir]

You like

Unshackle the Shackle

[drowsy plank]

this is awesome

[violet zephyr]

I just looked at how Mana Regeneration Band actually works.

I hate Terraria even more.

[drowsy plank]

anyway please do the funny cuff idea or i will make a suggestion about it

[drowsy plank]

ikr

[glass arch]

and if we're fine saying to use accessories from TEN tiers ago why are we not fine with using a weapon from TWO tiers ago as an example

[drowsy plank]

peak video game

[violet zephyr]

Why is every simple thing overcomplicated to hell and back...

[royal tapir]

Magic Cuffs rework: Actually doing what its predecessors do

[drowsy plank]

LITERALLY THOUGH

[dense locust]

cuffs is good if you use it properly the problem is that items that arn't easy to use are automatically labed as shit bc

[steep patrol]

Terraria math is a different breed

[tired haven]

Is it cynic to say that cuffs would be used more for their defense stats than their mana stats if it actually included regen and shackle?

[dense locust]

yes

bc crown jewel exists

:/

[tired haven]

Fair

-# why does crown jewel exist as is

[royal tapir]

I think there's some value to the mana part

[drowsy plank]

amazing questions all around

the mana part should be a bonus to the stats tbqh because it is just not worth it alone

[dense locust]

cuffs essentially provide infinite mana with an even semi-consistent damage source the problem is that either takes a lot of setup or a lot of defense

and terraria players both hate setup and think mage cant have defense

[drowsy plank]

this is true

[royal tapir]

Magic Cuffs are the reason why mage has such little defense actually

See, Re-Logic was smart in this decision

[drowsy plank]

of course

[violet zephyr]

You know what's fun? The health regeneration from Band of Regeneration when you craft the Mana Regeneration Band.

[dense locust]

so fun is nonexistent?

[royal tapir]

Didn't they add that in some 1.4.X update

[drowsy plank]

honestly i think the fact it needs setup is the problem

like beyond synergistic building i mean. like good accessories have some slap on ability, which cuffs just dont. at all

[dense locust]

ok the really funny thing I think
is why the hell is this the only accessory line in vanilla that doesnt just stack all its components effects together

[drowsy plank]

cuffs need like a specific arena kind of build. or a ton of defense ig

[dense locust]

lava/spike floor with enough defense yeah
iirc its actually pretty consistent to tank wof lasers if you have polarizer

[drowsy plank]

it really is a fucking anomaly

[royal tapir]

Why does it even work with non-enemy damage sources

[dense locust]

I don't know!

[royal tapir]

Classic

[dense locust]

(it also works with glorious end self damage so haha funny star gets infinite mana)

[glass arch]

if we were still in the age where brimflame had multiplicative boosts then sure removing mana would be reasonable for balance
but we arent in that age anymore
cit, you yourself said brimflame isnt glassy. if thats the issue then you can make it more glassy without kneecapping just about the entirety of everything in mage
for me personally i dont see this change being very good for anything except for increasing reliance on mana cost recution which we already know is fucking ridiculous

[violet zephyr]

Magma Skull, Molten Charm, Obsidian Skull Rose and Obsidian Water Walking boots all also don't recieve the defense bonus from Obsidian Skull.

[tired haven]

I certainly had a fit of laughter when I found out stuff like star cloak stopped working with spikes/lava only for honey comb to not give a damn

(also sand works on all, too)

[dense locust]

oh no not my 1 defense

[royal tapir]

Mana cost reduction build sounds peak actually

[violet zephyr]

Also Arcane Flower and Stalker's Quiver not getting the damage and critical chance boost from Putrid Scent.

[steep patrol]

It give 2 in calamity tho

[royal tapir]

Arcane mana cost reduction in 2028

[dense locust]

isnt star cloak like specifically exempt because people were abusing it in early 1.4

[tired haven]

Yeah

[drowsy plank]

doesnt cal change some of these?

[dense locust]

yes

[tired haven]

(and I will keep doing it)

[violet zephyr]

Yes.

[dense locust]

all the skulls have defense

[royal tapir]

I think Molten Charm got fixed

[tired haven]

Tracing a bit back, I just recalled something. Didn't calamity make it so that cuffs recover mana post-defense rather than pre-, which means a lot less effective mana gen?

[dense locust]

its still pre

[tired haven]

Huh, curious

[violet zephyr]

Don't see anything on Vanilla Changes page on the Wiki, so probably not.

[drowsy plank]

if the 1 regen and 3 defense make it too strong you can always do that tho

[tired haven]

don't forget about whatever the mana regen band does

[indigo yacht]

you regenerate mana faster

[drowsy plank]

cryptic magic

[violet zephyr]

Yes. Let us keep it at that.

[indigo yacht]

mana regen band is pretty okay honestly

[drowsy plank]

yup!!! that's it!!!!!!!

[violet zephyr]

"It isn't runes, its math!"

[indigo yacht]

i prefer using it over mana flower anyways, it's more fun

[dense locust]

I would genuenely rather run any other damage accessories
except mana flower bc flower is genuenely just awful in phm imo

[violet zephyr]

How much Mana would you have at the start of Hardmode?

[tired haven]

In the ballpark of 350 assuming you farm comet shard iirc

[tired haven]

For what it's worth, I checked the calc and mana regen band is stronger than mana flower
Make of that what you will

[indigo yacht]

not stronger with me, i can't time my regen for shit

but thanks for validating my feelings

[tired haven]

Unless mana regen potion got gutted behind the scenes, the optimal way to time its regen is to go to 0 mana

[dense locust]

too bad
(its about +45 mana regen when at 200 mana base)

[dense locust]

mana potion makes you regen mana at max power at all times correct?

[tired haven]

Yeah, it basically treats you as if you have max mana

[dense locust]

if so it still works that way in cal

[tired haven]

also ignores moving penalty

[violet zephyr]

Where'd you see that?

[dense locust]

mana regen?

[tired haven]

I have spent an unhealthy amount of time on a mana regeneration wiki page

[dense locust]

its not hard to check in game

just compare how the mana regen stat changes compared to with/without the potion

[violet zephyr]

Oh, I see.

This isn't mentioned at all on the actual page for the potion.

[grave zinc]

@cinder karma - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

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[cinder karma]

oh hell yeah

[drowsy plank]

isnt phaseslayer like dead in changelogs or something

[gilded citrus]

I thought it was already getting a rework

[glass arch]

no

[drowsy plank]

wild

[crude geode]

give the masochists a bone, they lost phoenix blaster

[glass arch]

if its getting reworked we'll know when it hits voting

[glass arch]

they can play master death instead

[crude geode]

that doesn't damage your bones, just kills your braincells

[drowsy plank]

it can do both

[glass arch]

make the scp 106 femur breaker idfk

[crude geode]

real and true

byeah phaseslayer's gimmick isn't really interesting, it's just turn up your mouse speed

[median scaffold]

Just constantly spin your cursor

Done! Your wrists are fucking dead!

[neat linden]

unusable unless like, macro

[fleet grotto]

even if you do kill yourself on the mouse isn't it still bad

[glass arch]

yes

[crude geode]

lmao

[gilded citrus]

Z tier is a thing?

[glass arch]

yes

z tier is for comically unusable

[gilded citrus]

So phaseslayer

[errant wren]

incredible

[violet zephyr]

Can't wait for this to be instantly accepted by the developers because they are already aware of this thing...

[coral carbon]

thats some "Super F" shit 😭

[glass arch]

ive only ever seen a few z tier weapons and most of them were thorium mage

[coral carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-crocker-timmy-turner-fairly-odd-parents-super-f-meme-gif-1224341026557759176

[drowsy plank]

so true

[glass arch]

i would know because im the one who tested and ranked them

[errant wren]

can't wait for ZZ tier (even more detrimental)

[coral carbon]

ZZ tier would just be two hands coming out of your screen and choking you

[errant wren]

ZZZ tier: malware that causes a fire

[fleet grotto]

let's not forget all the z tier vanilla weapons!

[gilded citrus]

ZZ tier

Lawnmower

[crude geode]

pirate staff and lucy...

[gilded citrus]

Most of those are either not weapons or not for that far in pre boss progression

[fleet grotto]

can't believe tragic umbrella and umbrella are considered weapons....

[crude geode]

yep they technically are

[fleet grotto]

staff of regrowth where

[whole tundra]

Phaseslayer is dying btw

let me just find the message where it was confirmed

[cinder karma]

but what if devs do want to hurt their players?

[fleet grotto]

that's sad it's a cool weapon

[crude geode]

it's a visually cool weapon but mechanically is ass

[indigo yacht]

would removing the souls of light from the snow globe recipe count as a srs

[crude geode]

probably not

[fleet grotto]

why would it

[whole tundra]

#calamity-update-talk message and the messages Rebecca sent shortly after

[indigo yacht]

the problem is i have two pieces of reasoning

1. it's vaguely thematic since they're evil but
2. the entire purpose would just be to let you get essence of eleum when skipping wof and nothing else

because you have access to souls of night

and frost legion enemies (apparently) drop essence

[whole tundra]

@glass arch read these messages

[indigo yacht]

and frost legion can be summoned phm

[fleet grotto]

first reasoning sucks

are you implying skeletron prime isn't evil

[indigo yacht]

YOU suck /j

[fleet grotto]

it uses light and night too...

[errant wren]

clearly we rework phaseslayer to just be fruit ninja

[indigo yacht]

stop thinking critically

i dont like it

[fleet grotto]

oh ok

[indigo yacht]

but anyways yeah if my only reasoning is to try and make a niche skip more effective....

[bright crag]

Phaseslayer is definitely gonna be reworked at some point

[violet zephyr]

...

[errant wren]

is it gonna be reworked to just be fruit ninja

[cinder karma]

our prayers were heard🙏

[whole tundra]

Reb said it will be removed next update, but that it might come back in a later update

[bright crag]

Currently unknown

[errant wren]

[cinder karma]

didn't they state somewhere that removed weapons won't ever come back?

"they were removed for a reason" or smth

might be in a suggestion guideline

[whole tundra]

Which is directly proven wrong by a certain weapon being readded next update

although reworked

[golden sonnet]

in their removed state yes

[fleet grotto]

the spore knife (dastardly)

[golden sonnet]

But grand dad is coming back because it had a rework

[cinder karma]

i mean it as in they should rewrite that rule then

[bright crag]

It's less that removed weapons will never make a comeback, but suggesting that they do (especially in their removed state) is not very productive

[whole tundra]

142 - Reworked Grand Dad. - Done ✅

[cinder karma]

that's it though

[whole tundra]

I still think that partly applies

I don't think we can suggest to rework and readd them either

[cinder karma]

write that there then

[cinder karma]

i agree, just wanna clear the uhh

whats the word

[coral carbon]

finally. ...

[whole tundra]

Also we know that Enforcer is dying next update aswell

[errant wren]

"re-add removed content" implies that the sugg is being written after the content's removal, so it's really not that necessary

[cinder karma]

dunno guys you have to guess it now

[cinder karma]

you're not the first person to say that😭

[errant wren]

well i mean

it is true

[cinder karma]

we've cleared it up already

[cinder karma]

yeah

buuuuuuuut

it's not written anywhere

[bright crag]

Suggesting the return of a removed weapon would either fail on principle (as said, "it was removed for a reason") or lean into specific rework suggestion (which is a don't)

[indigo yacht]

#suggestions-posting i worry this sucks but I'll try it anyways

[errant wren]

i really don't think people would suggest to re-add content before it's even removed

[bright crag]

Even if you tread the thin line between those, it's very unlikely that your suggestion will make it to dev and let alone be accepted

[whole tundra]

Yeah right

[bright crag]

That said, some of us are open to informal suggestions

[whole tundra]

There are plans to remove Phaseslayer next update, so suggesting to rework is it a bit odd

[bright crag]

And feedback

[cinder karma]

i mean that the players shouldn't be able to read between the lines

just clear it up in the guide i dunno

[bright crag]

What's unclear about it?

[errant wren]

like making phaseslayer into fruit ninja, obviously

[cinder karma]

bro

[errant wren]

there really is no fine print to it

[cinder karma]

if there wasn't something unclear we wouldn't have this debate

[bright crag]

Making Phaseslayer into fruit ninja is one of multiple options

[errant wren]

it.. isn't?

[violet zephyr]

The Suggestions Document are about suggestions. You were the one coming in here thinking it applied to everything about the mod.

[cinder karma]

i don't know english enough to understand this, elaborate?

pweeease

[whole tundra]

honestly, Phaseslayer should be more similar to the actual source it is based off, The Crucible

and I have no right to comment further on that as I have not played any Doom games

[bright crag]

To me, it seems like you are questioning exceptions to "they were removed for a reason" that are entirely external to the voting system, not that there's an actual lack of clarity

[neat linden]

Adding a dart firing weapon like the long removed charged dart blaster would be pretty cool I think,,,,,,

[cinder karma]

literally where do you guys spawn from

[indigo yacht]

you one shot everything but have an extremely limited currency of charges

[cinder karma]

there's like 3 new people here since the start of this

[bright crag]

Dart firing weapons would be cool, I agree

[violet zephyr]

I've been here before you came in.

[errant wren]

can we make darts a viable subclass 🙏

[bright crag]

There was a possible Aerialite dart weapon in the iteration phase, but we discarded the idea since Blowgun is pretty close to Aerialite tier

[bright crag]

Now that's a lot harder....

[cinder karma]

should've kept minding your own business then

[errant wren]

wh

[neat linden]

I don't think we need like a whole subclass

but one maybe two dart weapons

[cinder karma]

anyways guys cya i'll go eat

[neat linden]

and maybe a new dart type

[errant wren]

god slayer darts

[whole tundra]

Just a limited amount of very high damage swings, and then you'd have to wait for them to recharge maybe

[bright crag]

Don't be rude to people, please.

[neat linden]

post DoG is already extremely stacked when it comes to weapon and ammo

rn at least

[bright crag]

Enjoy your food!

[whole tundra]

aswell as it recharging at a slightly exponential rate

[errant wren]

fine

old duke darts

[indigo yacht]

yeah, maybe. it's meant to be a "super weapon", so making it similar to the melee version of a sniper rifle would probably be fitting

[violet zephyr]

What if... more subclass accessories...

[cinder karma]

thank you sweety

[errant wren]

and we put them in skeleton merchant shop

[violet zephyr]

How about we kill you?

[errant wren]

[violet zephyr]

We are not doing Counterweights again...

[bright crag]

Mod with developed subclasses properly balanced between each other:

https://tenor.com/view/mundo-feliz-onetreehsll-world-if-gif-14071235670792471304

It is something that's ideally built towards as the mod is created, not as a retroactive measure

[errant wren]

pressurized air tank accessory that makes darts fly further, really

[indigo yacht]

ok I haven't seen anything about my suggestion so maybe it isn't as bad as i thought it was

[errant wren]

eh i wouldn't know; i don't do skips

[violet zephyr]

I haven't seen it, but I've decided it is actually the worst thing ever, actually.

[indigo yacht]

💔

[whole tundra]

Here's a dumb phaseslayer rework concept
Slightly increase the range of the weapon
Remove the current aspects of how it works
Make it way more damage per hit
It hits slowly and has limited amount of swings that can be used in a row. Each swing uses a pretty large % of the charge. If a swing hits, you more less charge than if it misses. It is recharged at exponential speed if you just don't decide to swing. It will not be a draedon arsenal type weapon.

[indigo yacht]

i tried to think of something that would (in part) enable skipping wof to skip ravager but without fucking anything else up so it's contingent on shimmering rox

[bright crag]

So what you're asking is letting the Roxcalibur skip give access to Frost Legion and therefore Essences of Eleum?

[indigo yacht]

yes

[errant wren]

"If a swing hits, you lose less charge than if it hits"

[bright crag]

Sounds reasonable, though I'm not sure I'd support it yet

[violet zephyr]

With Essences of Eleum, you could make Frostflare Bolt at Pre-Boss.

[bright crag]

Damn

[errant wren]

that would be kinda funny

[violet zephyr]

Since that is the only missing ingrediant.

[bright crag]

Yeah uh
That might be a bit much considering Roxcalibur Shrine will be a thing

[violet zephyr]

We already have Destroyer at Pre-Boss...

[whole tundra]

I meant the opposite, my fault

[bright crag]

Well, Destroyer you have to fight

[dense locust]

currently the plan is to version hop for it instead to get souls of light phm
granted this would make things considerably easier

[violet zephyr]

Which gives access to Steampunker, and Astral Solution, and Novae Slag, and therefore Tier 2 Hardmode metals.

[indigo yacht]

you also have to kill the frost legion

[dense locust]

tbh idk how to feel about making low% suggestions

[violet zephyr]

Frost Legion is an event.

[golden sonnet]

at that point just do GFB

[indigo yacht]

~~which can be surprisingly annoying ~~

[dense locust]

I've always liked low% more as a "fun thing that has come about naturally"

[errant wren]

how did it get worse 💀
"If a swing hits, you more less charge than if it hits."

[dense locust]

rather than intentional design

[whole tundra]

I am dumb

[violet zephyr]

You can't lose to it since it has no end condition aside from reach 100%

[dense locust]

counterpoint thats far to straightforward

[indigo yacht]

i mean, it is intentional design, roxcalibur is decraftable pre boss

[dense locust]

fair

[indigo yacht]

i understand what you mean though

they probably didn't expect that one change to go that far

[bright crag]

Yeah

But we've elected to keep the exploit so

[indigo yacht]

would frost moon enemies dropping essence of eleum be preferable? that would make it significantly later (so no preboss flarefrost bolt) but then it would be kind of weird that the pumpkin moon didn't

or ig you could maybe try and do the dog thing, with like essence of sunlight for the solar eclipse (but then those would be phm) and essence of havoc for pumpkin moon

....ehhhhhh

[bright crag]

Considering Frost Legion drops Eleum to have some usefulness and the Frost Moon is already quite useful, it might not be a good decision

[median scaffold]

...aren't essences getting killed regardless? Or were that the cores?

[indigo yacht]

fair

cores

[crude geode]

cores

[bright crag]

This is an interesting idea....

[crude geode]

it would make those events drop a lot of random stuff tbfh

[indigo yacht]

iirc they removed the hardmode lock on solar tablets so if you hoik into the temple then you would have access to sunlight preboss

[indigo yacht]

that's my main worry

[median scaffold]

Crumbling in Hardmode (useless)

[indigo yacht]

unlimited phm cinderplate

[indigo yacht]

ok so actually you only get crumbling (which yeah would be kind of useless) and old power cell which is getting murdered iirc

[violet zephyr]

Aside from Frigidflash Bolt and Thermocline Blaster, I don't think you can do much with Essence of Eleum in Pre-Hardmode. You can only make one of the two weapons, due to Essence of Havoc only being obtained by shimmering Roxcalibur.

[indigo yacht]

making no assumptions about ravager besides no cores, the other two essences would be locked to either plantera or post moon lord, and they would also make it... vaguely easier to farm essences (not that that's really a problem, although tbf astral taking over your ice biome can be annoying)

[glass arch]

charge based instakiller with limited uses per level

aka WOOOOO BRING BACK ELEPHANT GUN BAYBEE

[drowsy plank]

what could possibly go wrong

[dense locust]

yeah cruci doesnt work in a game where you can get within melee range of bosses

[glass arch]

you very much can in doom it just doesnt work on bosses outside of specifically icon

[dense locust]

I forgot it even worked on icon ngl

tbh checks out considering I was camping like a bitch during the angel fight

[glass arch]

its literally how you kill it mf

[indigo yacht]

bosses is a strong word

khan makyr vs precision bolt + lock on burst x2

[dense locust]

I havent played eternal in like 2 years

[glass arch]

ok true

[indigo yacht]

clearly the answer is to make phaseslayer a heroic weapon that deals no damage to bosses and instantly kills everything else

[dense locust]

true....

[glass arch]

true!

[dense locust]

(consumed 33% charge per use)

[coral carbon]

cant wait for the gitgudwo video!

[indigo yacht]

find my charges...

[glass arch]

draedon slenderman cosplay when

[indigo yacht]

they've kinda got the build for it

[whole tundra]

I unironically feel like cosplaying later this year, but this is not the chat to discuss that

[violet zephyr]

Put Decapodita Sprout in Mushroom Chests

I'm not going to sugarcoat it. Inconsistincy + Easy for new players to find + More natural ways of getting boss sumons.

(I won't actually post this, I'll write something coherent, first.)

[drowsy plank]

the plan is to make decapodita sprout grow like queen slime crystals

[violet zephyr]

Oh, right.

I honestly forgot about that, since no one talks about it.

[indigo yacht]

wdym inconsistency

[violet zephyr]

Desert Medallion is put into Sandstone Chests.

[indigo yacht]

i guess

[gritty plaza]

It's probably been discussed before but I think a lot of the summon methods are fairly boring

"This is an extradimensional space worm that has slain countless deities, clothed in armour forged in the most powerful crucible known to Terraria, and on an ongoing mad quest to ascend to godhood itself. It comes when you call it by waving around a little model of its head."

[half imp]

So what are the thoughts on current phaseslayer design if it just was easier and less painful to spin

would that be good? bad?

[glass arch]

ehhhhhhhhhhh

i would rather it get a full on rework because even though yes your mod makes it better its still kinda ass

its just like whichever fucking galaxia attunement it is that does the spinny shit except it doesnt do anything else

[half imp]

true

especially for such a cool sprite it's such a sad weapon

it would be fun to make it into a support/secondary DPS weapon perhaps

limited uses that recharge slowly but deal heavy damage

or something

[indigo yacht]

recharges faster when you hold the weapon maybe so you could feasibly use it as a primary

[golden sonnet]

I think the sprite is very cool yeah, but it's hard to do much of anything rn, you remove the spin gimmick and it kinda just becomes basic projectile broadsword #567

[drowsy plank]

turn it into turbo cryo stone

[violet zephyr]

What if...

We made it really big...

And also made it that spam clicking it made it attack faster...

[glass arch]

and it was found in the hell lab but was unusable until post yharon

[violet zephyr]

Exactly...

[gilded citrus]

Just make it auto spin like the hallowed attunement

[fleet grotto]

mm, i think post yharon is a bit too restrictive. i think post dog would be better. Maybe make it a little smaller, for balancing

[oblique birch]

so Murasama 2?

[glass arch]

no

nothing like that

not in the slightest

[errant wren]

clearly it is completely original

murasama 2? what a load of baloney

[fleet grotto]

funny thing is

murasama already IS muramasa 2

so this would be muramasa 3 wouldn't it

[errant wren]

murasama being muramasa 2 is like the cars franchise

because the difference between the swords is the same as the first two movies

[half imp]

my thought was that crucible in doom works off a similar limited charge system

or so I've been told I haven't played it

[half imp]

unless of course you named yourself DOOMSLAYER

[indigo yacht]

you have 3 charges, you can use them on anything except bosses to instantly kill them, and charge refills are placed sporadically (usually to serve sort of as collectibles) throughout the levels after you get the crucible and master levels

if you wanted to be vaguely faithful (probably a bad idea) then you could do something similar to nebula boosters with the charges

[half imp]

yeah

i'd probably just make it timed

and have it work whether or not you're holding the weapon

although honestly... nebula boosters might work hmm

[median scaffold]

I think that's a pretty weak argument for the idea, but I don't think the suggestion breaks any rules and frankly, I quite like it

[olive saddle]

it shouldnt break any

the closest one i can think of is SIR but this is more of an extension vs a full rework

[drowsy plank]

just adding a UI to it would make far more sense

a la the old nebula arcanum teleport selection

but for time

[frail mantle]

true

[median scaffold]

What

[olive saddle]

i feel old reading this

the... what...

its been almost a year since hellish harbour released...

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[median scaffold]

What was the teleport? 😭

[olive saddle]

I WAS WRONG
ITS BEEN ALMOST A YEAR SINCE BOUNTIFUL HARVEST

IM SO OLD

[tough ledge]

[gilded citrus]

iirc i played calamity like
When either old duke was recently added or just before then

[olive saddle]

I played in like 2017-2018

Im a fucking fossil

[median scaffold]

I didn't play Calamity, but I remember being scared of the other Abyss

[olive saddle]

The "other" abyss?

The fuckin thorium one?

[violet zephyr]

Teleportation Potion.

[median scaffold]

Yeah

[violet zephyr]

I think it had a few other places to teleport to.

[median scaffold]

[drifting socket]

last time I played calamity was. like. idk.

I remember the death mode environmental effects and wulfrum helmets were still there

[thorn dock]

Any chance to push for a early- hardmode Upgrade for unstable granite core?

Its a pretty generic yet unique barrier acc.
I could see the armor penetration opening up some build possibilities...
Example blade staff. Iirc cores armor pen sat at -25?

[echo leaf]

Yeah, UGC is 25 armor pen

[thorn dock]

Gonna test some things beforehand..🤔

[echo leaf]

I’m not super sure about a hm UGC upgrade but if you can make a convincing suggestion about it, then… the possibility goes from “absolutely not” to “probably not”

[thorn dock]

😂👌

Alright imma drop that thought

[maiden quartz]

🔥

[drowsy plank]

what?

@thorn dock what does this even mean

[thorn dock]

The old mutated truffle acc had an inbuild mechanic, it started to enrage at 50% health threshold.
(Obvsly the acc was quite different, didnt take up minion slots for example)

The regenator rework mainly was implemented due suggestions it could complement MT & necklace of vexation.

When MT was at his peak, due to the acc reworks, for some reason it got changed into a generic summon weapon

[drowsy plank]

ok

[novel belfry]

unironically tho why was it turned into a weapon

im curious

[indigo yacht]

necklace of vexation isnt even good

[maiden quartz]

wow

i have litearlly never heard of this acc until now

[echo leaf]

even with regenator it’s trying its best

[fleet grotto]

what the hell is this suggestion /gen

[drowsy plank]

yeah i dunno either i think it's asking for a reversion tho so that's a double no lmao

[indigo yacht]

it's just a slightly better emblem and emblems are already on life support

[echo leaf]

they are yeah

[indigo yacht]

you'd be hard pressed to find a genuine, optimal use for necklace of vexation

everything else is just cope

[echo leaf]

I like the acid venom on hit tho

[indigo yacht]

maybe if it wasn't tied to reaver armor

[echo leaf]

I was considering it for tmelee noshits where the acid venom was relevant

but flask of acid venom

[indigo yacht]

yes

[echo leaf]

any excuse to throw money at witch doctor is a good excuse

[indigo yacht]

make the damage bonus unconditional and move the acid venom from requiring reaver armor to being under 50% health

or something

[frail fox]

Accessory was bad

[indigo yacht]

although the problem is that this is really boring

[echo leaf]

Make it a retribution accessory

You get hit? You retaliate for big damage and gain a boost to damage. And it inflicts some sickness debuffs

Maybe make it buff sickness like Toxic Heart

[indigo yacht]

the amount of damage you take directly translates to +% damage

[echo leaf]

More or less

Like Hide of Astrum Deus without the on-hit effects

[indigo yacht]

adrenaline + rage
gets hit for 300 damage

I don't like accessories that try to augment damage after taking a hit though

they're kind of contradictory and usually not in an interesting way

[echo leaf]

Well the name “Necklace of Vexation” kinda limits possibilities

Maybe Warbanner lite? A Rage accessory? Both are not great solutions

[drowsy plank]

you can just change the name too

the thing is a mess

[indigo yacht]

i mean there's quite a lot of room for interpretation of a name

[violet zephyr]

You could get rid of it.

[drowsy plank]

TRUE

[echo leaf]

oh geah

[errant wren]

make necklace of vexation an active detriment, obviously

i have no idea what was being talked about

[indigo yacht]

trippy with -50% damage

[errant wren]

even better, make NoV a summoner-oriented accessory that periodically summons the vexes from minecraft to deal damage to both you and enemies

[gaunt needle]

get rid of all accessories and then make everything from scratch tbh

[gritty plaza]

make necklace of vexation vey slightly irritating

reduce max run speed by 2mph, lower jump height by a third of a block, adrenaline caps at 99.9%

[drowsy plank]

make this a fandom wiki page and get it in CCR

[gritty plaza]

I'd love to but I'd have to make a fandom account

[drowsy plank]

lmao fair

[echo leaf]

Nono, you gotta randomize these stats. Every few minutes they’re randomized between 80% and 100%

[fleet grotto]

no, 80% is too much

98-101%

so there's SOMETIMES an actual reason to use it

[gritty plaza]

lmao, 101% max adrenaline

[fleet grotto]

Lasts 1% longer

[gritty plaza]

"to compensate for this horrible lack of balance, damage is changed to 99.009% so the same damage is done but over a longer span of time"

[prisma sedge]

The horror, more UI...

[gritty plaza]

Add more UI

The Calamity mod has a lot of complicated elements and moving parts. Adding more UI cold help streamline the experience for new players. For example, instead of using boss summon items, a menu will be added where the player can summon bosses. Each boss would unlock the next, so you can fight bosses in the right order. Also make every ui element have incredibly round corners so you can't see what's near the edges.

[errant wren]

amazing

Make Calamity into a UI
The Calamity mod is known for its hundreds and even thousands of additions to the base game. However, all of these are very hard to keep track of, but Calamity has added UI elements to help with that. So why not take this a step further?
Calamity should make everything into UI elements, so that players can more easily keep track of everything. Make this a config as well.

[gritty plaza]

make calamity an incremental game

change auric to antimatter

and make eight antimatter dimensions subworlds

and each produces the enxt

[glass arch]

cant forget to have reset layers that each also have their own subworlds

[indigo yacht]

make calamity realistic

[novel belfry]

toxic heart getting more pulses via lower life regen...

what a weird choice

its almost as if the devs who reworked this wanted you to stop building life regen builds

[fleet grotto]

the next calamity update is always an hour away

[indigo yacht]

i dont really like the snow globe suggestion actually

i might do the ascendant spirit essence events suggestion but idk

[thorn dock]

Tried it with omega blue/ disabled regen, but heart just seems not good

[novel belfry]

jmm

hmm

[thorn dock]

Doesnt seem to cut it at all

[thorn dock]

Lmk if you find a use for toxic heart

[novel belfry]

it might work decently on events

it spawns more pulses on killing enemies and grants the player 10 hp at the same time

[thorn dock]

Thats a use still, you are right

[novel belfry]

and those pulses, tho having 80% of the progenitor pulse's damage, can also spawn from othere enemy spawned pulses

altho this has much less to do with the life regen at all

[thorn dock]

The drawback cant be compensated easily and allows very limited use for toxic heart tbh

[indigo yacht]

@echo leaf toxic heart mentioned

[novel belfry]

I'm debating whether to turn its pulse mechanic from a anti-life regen mechanic to a "it gets more frequent the less hp you have"

actually

that works even better

the weaker you are, the more stressed you'd probably be, and ultimately the more heartbeats you're gonna get

[indigo yacht]

i feel like the accessory would be awful if it was based on how low your health is

[thorn dock]

@novel belfry so far it appears to be beneficial in Events only.
Some features/ active key ability could be handy, to make it have any kind of impact in boss battles for example.

Example:
CD of 120 -180
Sprays a trail of venom to the closest enemy, lasting for 3-5 seconds.
Could also jump to other units (beneficial against worms) like that one whip, harvester iirc

[thorn dock]

Seems way better than the current Version

@novel belfry good one

[indigo yacht]

I'm not sure about that

[thorn dock]

Atleast synergy with frozen shield or purity

Or regenator

Also chance of the blood god

Current Version fits nothing really in my pinion

[indigo yacht]

current version can apparently do close to as much damage as a dedicated weapon with the right setup, apparently

[thorn dock]

Making it scale with how low your hp is could also easily overtune it

[thorn dock]

Give me a good setup please

[indigo yacht]

idk I don't make them i just see other people using them

if i had to guess probably involved with rogue

[indigo yacht]

also this would be an anti synergy with purity and regenerator

since their entire purpose is to not keep you at low health

regenerator is getting reworked though so idk

[thorn dock]

Huh?

Wdym?

[indigo yacht]

both accessories give you an absurd amount of regen to let you recover faster

[thorn dock]

Purity massively accelerates regen at low life - chalice protects from lethal blows

[indigo yacht]

it doesn't protect from lethal blows

[thorn dock]

Or just keep the massive regen running, accumulating fictional heart

[frail fox]

I mean there are just different builds, it’s not like you’re supposed to run everything together

[dense ferry]

Shocker: certain items work better in specific builds

🤯

[indigo yacht]

i dont believe you

[prisma sedge]

Sounds a little farfetched

[errant wren]

what are you a dev? clearly a hoax

[indigo yacht]

i feel like this might be a bit of a flawed suggestion but idk for certain so I'll just comment that tmodloader tree code is horrendous and making custom trees is apparently a large challenge

so implementing the monoliths in the way described could end up being a lot of effort

[violet zephyr]

You also need to realise that normal trees are being converted, not new ones being generated.

[indigo yacht]

true, good point

i forget the astral converts stuff sometimes

[restive wharf]

in calamity lore, the astral infection kills trees and replaces them entirely with monoliths, so I think that could be a good excuse for it possibly destroying trees and planting new ones in the process, and vice versa

[violet zephyr]

Where'd you read that?

[restive wharf]

i swear ive heard that before

gonna look for it

can I ping a lore writer

i swear i remember hearing that

also

my friend has dealt with custom trees before and have done the same things

[violet zephyr]

Sure. I recommend pinging StipulateVenus. They come to this channel on occasion and don't mind pinging for answers.

[restive wharf]

@bright crag is this true or not?

im not sure if this is true

but i remember monolith being made of a special completely non organic type of stone

[gilded citrus]

I dont think thats said anywhere

It does infect things but that part aint ringing a bell

[restive wharf]

it might even be an old lore thing that was overwritten

i just need to know where that came from

i might just be schizophrenic

[indigo yacht]

oh yeah also one thing i want to point out is that the astral infection biome backgrounds depict what can only really be dark trees alongside the monoliths

so i don't think they're mutually exclusive

[restive wharf]

would you guys vote in favor of this though or nah?

[prisma sedge]

I would, if it's possible at least

[errant wren]

if it was viable maybe probably

then again, if it were doable i feel like the devs would probably try

[vocal moth]

i would

[gritty plaza]

the next hour is in one fifth of a calamity update

[echo leaf]

dude.

this accessory is like. the best thing. ever. since sliced bread, even.

[echo leaf]

Toxic heart doesn't cap its pulse speed at 0 regen

It caps it at -15 (-7.5 HP/s)

[violet zephyr]

Hm...

Is Brimflame + Toxic Heart good?

[echo leaf]

Not suuuuper sure, let me see

Brimflame set bonus reduces regen by 41 HP/s so that'll comfortably put someone at -7.5 HP/s

So... probably. Sounds funny more than anything

[violet zephyr]

Small amount of HP reduction per second.

[echo leaf]

Does it reduce life regeneration or does it inflict damage

[violet zephyr]

Wait... really?

It is that much?

I thought it was like... twenty per second...

[echo leaf]

oih wtf

[violet zephyr]

Not fourty...

[echo leaf]

i looked at it wrong. my eyes tupid

life regeneration is decreased by 42 (21 HP/s)

[errant wren]

[violet zephyr]

That's what I thought...

40 HP/s over the course of ten seconds would be more than half...

[echo leaf]

it's been a long day

[grim tusk]

clearly we need the EXOlotl

[indigo yacht]

🍅

[frail mantle]

no no let him cook

[indigo yacht]

no

[gritty plaza]

on the one hand: 🍅 for terrible pun. on the other hand: because axolotls are peak

[crude geode]

literally

[gritty plaza]

draedon would probably do something based like that...

well actually it's only based if it's purely mechanical, if it's a pbg situation then it's deeply uncool

[errant wren]

i feel like draedon would really like axolotls

[echo leaf]

Their regenerative properties are ripe for study

[errant wren]

you saying that made me realize draedon would exploit the regeneration for research

[indigo yacht]

obviously he didnt considering the exo mechs cant regen

what do you mean metal and flesh are different

this seems like an oversight

[frail mantle]

@autumn wagon pretty sure this is already planned and in progress

[indigo yacht]

oh cool

[steep patrol]

Right animal even got metal in their bone and even teeth

[gilded citrus]

#suggestions-posting message
this is straight up already done, waiting to be put ingame for sso lmao

[errant wren]

to be fair most organisms have some amount of metal in their composition

[steep patrol]

Ever heard of sodium potassium pump?

[errant wren]

i'm not very smart so no not particularly

[steep patrol]

We actually got so much metal in our body but they are in ion form

[errant wren]

i don't really know what that means but i'm sure draedon might

[maiden quartz]

yeah ion know what you talking about

[errant wren]

[violet zephyr]

I haven't a molecule of knowledge of what you just said.

[gilded citrus]

Not really surprised, isnt like almost every fucking element ever a metal

[errant wren]

a good chunk of them are

[maiden quartz]

the great majority are metals

[errant wren]

and you can also find them in good chunks

[steep patrol]

That a bit over exaggerating

[frail mantle]

a lot of them are but not almost all

a good... idk maybe a sixth? aren't metals

[errant wren]

that's why i said a good chunk

[gilded citrus]

True

[gilded citrus]

I would consider that almost all…

[errant wren]

my metrics are right at least once

[echo leaf]

most are metals

[maiden quartz]

not to be pedantic but saying "over-" is redundant here

[echo leaf]

hydrogen is not, nor are the noble gases and then like... the dozen-ish nonmetals

then there's strip of 8-ish metalloids whch act more like nonmetals than metals

[steep patrol]

It won't be nice if you have every heavy metal in your body even in small amount

[errant wren]

well sometimes people exaggerate too much

[echo leaf]

some of these elements basically don't exist though, like Astatine

[indigo yacht]

real

[errant wren]

mods replace the carbon in their body with yttrium

[steep patrol]

I prefer tungsten yttrium too weak

[echo leaf]

spontaneous combustion time

[gilded citrus]

Mods, replace this persons hip with a single toe

[errant wren]

mods break the bonds that hold their atoms together

[echo leaf]

(they immediately reform)

[maiden quartz]

mods remove the powerhouses of their cells

[violet zephyr]

MITOCHONDRIA

[steep patrol]

Not the mitochondria

[gilded citrus]

I feel a bit tired

[errant wren]

mods replace their proteins with strand end encoders

[echo leaf]

mods... shuffle the genomes of their mitochondria

[crude geode]

Mods remove #lore-discussion

[echo leaf]

done

[gilded citrus]

HEY

:(

[steep patrol]

Reduced to atom

[gilded citrus]

Nuh uh

[errant wren]

mods turn him into a fading memory of a good time

ok i'll stop

[glass arch]

mods give him a bad time

[errant wren]

off-topic

[gilded citrus]

Sans

Sans

Snand

[indigo yacht]

mods lock them in place spatially for half of a second

[gilded citrus]

Sand

Desert scoog

[errant wren]

e e e e e e e e e e

[gilded citrus]

Sso when

[violet zephyr]

SSO Tomorrow.

[indigo yacht]

2 fargo days

[errant wren]

sso will release sometime between now and a week after it releases

[indigo yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/carefully-he's-true-hes-true-you-know-gif-2530337019758775981

[restive wharf]

#suggestions-posting message heart plus up told me these were already plans™️

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-voting message user posts worst suggestion ever, asked to leave

I sont think ive ever seen one with that few votes

Fuckin 19 and its been like 2-4 days

[maiden quartz]

🔥

at least you have a dev vote

[olive saddle]

True

I wonder why its so controversial to most

[indigo yacht]

to be honest i think aggro is a vanity stat and people who think it does something are kidding themselves to ignore a more fundamental issue with their playstyle

that's a very slight exaggeration

[olive saddle]

Aggro is broken according to glassius

[indigo yacht]

it very slightly affects something that is primarily to do with playstyle

if you play more aggressively than a teammate they would have to have a hell of a lot of aggro to still take priority

more than you can get without a dedicated build

if i could i would tone down aggro values for melee and make aggro itself significantly more impactful

so that it would actually be meaningful and you could still take priority over melee with only like 1-2 accessories and/or an aggressive playstyle

[royal tapir]

@dense ferry Opinions on the most recent message in suggestion posting

[dense ferry]

Dunno not really a good idea

Too much work

[violet zephyr]

Totally.

[royal tapir]

🐈

[dense ferry]

(The joke is that we already did it)

[dense ferry]

(For the uninformed)

[dense ferry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466943505663655937/1083946998614470748/1678391318329531.gif

[crude geode]

I love charlie brown she's my favorite touhou character

[royal tapir]

@autumn wagon Your idea has actually been done already for next update

[olive saddle]

mildly hope this stays in

you have all of these composite bestiary entries and then this

[tired haven]

Quite a fitting enemy to put this entry on because I realize thats sans

[violet zephyr]

What?

[dense locust]

thats sands undertale creater of unterdale

[autumn wagon]

it would seem that my idea was not an original one

[glass arch]

it barely works yes

or, at least, what it does do is so negligible it might as well just do nothing

the only time it really matters is if you have like 2 true melee players and one wants to take the aggro while the other doesnt

[drowsy plank]

im just going to flag it then since there's 0 reason for it to go into voting

or well

i guess i could flag it when it reaches voting

anyway the monolith one is

...tree code......

and the immaterializer one is definitely a known problem already i guarantee

[indigo yacht]

@cog clueless

[upbeat tundra]

The poor thing is so lame that it’s the only miracle weapon that doesn’t have a demo lmao

[indigo yacht]

tbf it's a minion

i was going to make a joking comment regarding supernova but i have a horrendous idea i should look into

[drowsy plank]

ah yes the very real "my friend"

[prisma sedge]

For some context, this was actually brought up first in the Patreon server, and was only posted here because some devs said it'd probably be doable

[drowsy plank]

ah that's good to hear

all i remember hearing last about tree code was it being a fucking mess on the tmod side

[indigo yacht]

i presume that there may have been some miscommunication along the line

[drowsy plank]

so if that's not as much of a problem then that's good to hear

[indigo yacht]

(also 2 wide trees? what about the ones where there's only one block at the base)

[verbal aspen]

how did you ping but not actually

[indigo yacht]

i typed the @ symbol then i typed cog and then i hit send

[errant wren]

@cog

[rugged belfry]

@elsi

[fleet grotto]

Tru!

[rugged belfry]

how delightful

[verbal aspen]

oh

ig discord doesnt recognize incorrect case display names for the purposes of pings

but it does with usernames

[rugged belfry]

Makes sense

[indigo yacht]

I'm not sure that's what's happening but in the chance that I'm wrong I won't test it

[rugged belfry]

It automatically makes it a ping if you type their whole username

At least on mobile

[indigo yacht]

(yeay and Cog is just server nickname or something)

[rugged belfry]

Yeah

[north oracle]

@north oracle

[north oracle]

can confirm it does on desktop too!

[frail fox]

Thanks whip balance

[north oracle]

your welcome g p s scorpion

[rugged belfry]

Thank you for your research kind sir

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-posting message go make it on your own

No comment for the rest of it, besides reading the suggestion rules

[formal remnant]

what does the clamp emoji mean

[rugged belfry]

Read the pins in #suggestions-voting

Or here

[formal remnant]

ith that is correct format niow

[rugged belfry]

Ay caramba

[frail mantle]

shift+enter

not just a bunch of spaces

also i feel like this might fall under the reversion suggestion rule

[dense ravine]

yea

funny suggestion

[rugged belfry]

Well it doesn't seem to explicitly break any rules it's just not a good use of the channel

[formal remnant]

i didnt know that lol

[gilded citrus]

#suggestions-posting message
its abysmal if not damn near impossible to make a new liquid i hear, a monolith is better for this function
-# i dont know if there already is a monolith for this tho, i dont build much

[rugged belfry]

Should be lava fountains

[gilded citrus]

True

[frail mantle]

@radiant cairn the above + you'll need to have a suggestion title separated with a linebreak (shift + enter) + if you want to suggest multiple things, you should make them two separate suggestions not in the same message

[zinc steeple]

So AWG will work in the next update? Also sorry for necro posting but I got AWG to work with calamity by adding a 2 to the end of each size, no generation issues

Everything seems to be in order

SPOILER MAP IS FULLY REVEALED

[rugged belfry]

AHHH!!!!

[zinc steeple]

sorry i just thought incase someone didn't want to know how big some things are

[rugged belfry]

@tidal storm Dawg

[tidal storm]

yo

[gilded citrus]

Dont think they want to add any bosses till yharim

And uh

He may be the last thing added

[tidal storm]

ah

[rugged belfry]

That is not the only reason the suggestion is bad

[radiant cairn]

Why it takes a whole few minutes to suggest a second time and they where both to do with moving biomes around so they were basically the same suggestion. I could format it better though.

[rugged belfry]

OH NO A WHOLE FEW MINUTES!

[frail mantle]

because it makes voting complicated if the devs agree with one part but not the other

like for example if they agree with making lava pink in artificial brimstone biomes but not that the abyss should be habitable

[distant gyro]

@radiant cairn there is a brimstone lava fountain if you want pink lava on the surface

[radiant cairn]

That's not the same.

[frail mantle]

_ _ is it not?

[rugged belfry]

Wow so many spaces

[distant gyro]

as far as im aware of the only change is that you dont Burn alive in artificial pink lava but whos caring about that detail

if you need to hide the existence of a fountain on a build you can always hide it through echo coating atop echo platforms

[radiant cairn]

I shall redo my suggestions with better format and separate that makes sense

[umbral gazelle]

@tidal storm your suggestion has no reasoning, take too much effort, lack actual suggestions i think you should change it a bit

[tidal storm]

there i changed it

way better

[frail mantle]

no

[umbral gazelle]

what in the

what even is yharim's substances

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-posting message Mine brimstone slag and idk, place it on the surface???

[frail mantle]

_ _

liquid code invokes primal fear and terror upon everyone misfortunate enough to behold it

[whole tundra]

Spaghetti code is worse though

[frail mantle]

even the vanilla devs, who have a lot more control over the code than any modder does, struggled to add even one new liquid with the shimmer

[radiant cairn]

How much brimstone does it take I couldnt get a one on the surface it worked underground though.

[frail mantle]

so pretty safe to say brimstone lava being a custom fluid probably isn't happening

[formal remnant]

Should I delete it then

[formal remnant]

@frail mantle

[olive saddle]

When is the poop liquid relogic...

Red taking a whole 1 month to code shimmer vs 3 minutes to code liquid poop (its super funny and makes his kid laugh)

[Kinda based though]

[frail mantle]

doesn't matter either way i think since the bot'll auto delete it tomorrow

[dense locust]

deerclops is not cannon as it is crossover content

[drowsy plank]

@radiant cairn for the abyss one; #suggestions-discussion message

it has already passed

[gilded citrus]

#suggestions-posting message
crossover, reference and dedicated content isnt canon

Deerclops isnt canon

[drowsy plank]

furthermore, building the crags biome on the surface used to be possible, because i remember doing it to fight malice brimstone elemental in a multiplayer world

it was explicitly removed from the game, so i think this sort of violated readding removed content, because that was likely done on purpose, and like altix said, you can just use a fountain

[median scaffold]

Deerclops should be canon so that DST's Calamity equivalent mod is also canon to Calamity Mod

[drowsy plank]

@analog wyvern considering deerclops is non-canon, do you think you could remove that second half giving ideas on how to implement it, and explain more why you think it feels weird and unfitting for deerclops to not have lore? betsy, the other crossover boss, doesn't have calamity lore either, since it's, you know, from a crossover

considering deerclops's status as non-canon according to developers, canonizing it is going to need a bit more reasoning than it being "a little lacking"

[cinder karma]

something feels off here

is it bigger than a big world?

it def is

[zinc steeple]

Read up and you'll see

[zinc steeple]

^

I made the world like, 12800 by 4800

[cinder karma]

how?

[median scaffold]

What is AWG?

[zinc steeple]

....

[median scaffold]

Saw that

[zinc steeple]

Advanced World generation, though if you want to use it you will need to add a 2 to both width and height, so 12802 and 4802

Calamity will only work if they both end in 2

dont know how or why

[median scaffold]

I doubt Calamity will make compability with AWG, at least, not in its current state

[zinc steeple]

Well it works for me so far

This is just an "exploration" world anyway

One i use just to gather resources i don't have on my own

Like silver and so on

[median scaffold]

You could just make a Drunk world, but whatever

[cinder karma]

kinda offtop but i remember there being a mod that allows choosing the ores that generate before generating a world, you know this mod?

[zinc steeple]

I dont know it

Advanced world gen just let's you combine and customise seeds

So you can have for the worthy + drunk world and not the bees

Or all of them

Up to you

[gilded citrus]

Fargos best of both worlds

[cinder karma]

alright

[cinder karma]

not really it but aight, thanks

i'll use it instead

[cinder karma]

i swear i've seen one that solely allows doing this

i've spent the last week in search for it

it has like a menu in the world gen screen

it feels like i've switched universes or something, like this mod and all the references to it were erased and i'm the only one that remembers it

[glass arch]

no you're just going crazy

[cinder karma]

i might be

[drowsy plank]

hell yeah dude boss rush killtimes from 30 minutes to 1 HOUR

and with your help

we can make this real

[dense locust]

the actual solution to this "problem" is to just murder demonshade enrage

[drowsy plank]

lo

[dense locust]

alternatively give all br bosses 15 seconds of rdr

[median scaffold]

Alternatively to this alternative, 10x HP multiplier is already in the game

[glass arch]

alternatively remove boss rush

[median scaffold]

Or does it not affect Boss Rush bosses?

[median scaffold]

In its current state, yeah, I will agree

[dense locust]

ok but wheres the fun in that

[glass arch]

oh no it very much does

[glass arch]

wheres the fun in boss rush

[dense locust]

wheres the fun in no boss rush

[glass arch]

no suffering

[dense locust]

if its not fun either way just leave it in for the people who care

[median scaffold]

@unreal kelp
So, you want to make Boss Rush, an already lengthy and not particularly fun event, even longer and, consequently, less fun?

[glass arch]

the first 3 tiers are a breeze and if they arent everything else would have to be nerfed so br isnt an hour long

[unreal kelp]

For me it's not fun because bosses can be just melted
I like idea of beating every boss in order, just the fact that first three tiers are too easy

[median scaffold]

Alternatively to this alternative, 10x HP multiplier is already in the game

[unreal kelp]

And some bosses in tier 4 too

[dense locust]

tbh 10 minute event is really not all that long (probably less if you build damage)

[unreal kelp]

It's around 20-25 minutes long now

[glass arch]

like. scal and exos are already nerfed on their own

[dense locust]

not if you use enrage

[median scaffold]

I don't know why exactly, but I feel like it's much longer compared to something like Goblin's Invasion

[glass arch]

clearly the solution to something being far too long is multiplicative damage increase

[dense locust]

exactly!
(tbh I have no problems with br being long, its a boss rush, what did you expect?)

[glass arch]

im fine with it being long but i would much rather it not be an hour long

simply for the sake of testers who will have to balance it Eventually™️

[unreal kelp]

Exactly
When I see words boss rush I imagine something hard where I go through every boss of journey in a row
In calamity it's just not hard at all

[dense locust]

my take on boss rush has always been to change the bosses themselves to work better for the "15/30 second micro boss" format

[umbral gazelle]

timed damage reduction for boss in boss rush

[frail fox]

That’s already a mod, it’s definitely so good

[glass arch]

the issue with boss rushes in terraria is how much movement increases from preboss to endgame

[umbral gazelle]

simply make boss even faster to match with player's movement

[unreal kelp]

Yeah, but in calamity that issue was already fixed by significantly buffing most boss movement from first 3 tiers

[median scaffold]

Just explode Boss Rush, clearly

[glass arch]

compare it to something like hollow knight where you only get a couple real movement increases across the whole game

[dense locust]

give destro like 200% movement speed
make skeletron act as though he's in his final phase constantly
make ks start with all 3 gems and make the gems immortal
make duke start in p3 and like double the charge distance/speed
just spitballing here, but theres so much you can do to make shorter bosses actually interesting that isnt just "melt them before they can do anything"

[glass arch]

buffing boss speed is a bandaid fix to the larger issue of the bosses not being designed for late/endgame

[unreal kelp]

Boss rush imo has a lot of potential, it just isn't in game now
It can be polished to really great and fun level, and my suggestion is just tiny percent of what devs can actually do

[glass arch]

the way to make boss rush good isnt to make everything damage sponges

[unreal kelp]

I don't want for bosses to be damage sponges
I want them to be longer (like at least 30-40 second challenges) to not be complete pushovers

[glass arch]

itll make it last longer yeah but it doesnt fix the underlying issues of king slime being the first or second boss you're supposed to fight

[gaunt needle]

what if boss rush gets removed from the base game, but is instead added as a secret seed or something

like godseeker mode from hollow knight

[dense locust]

there is litterally zero point to this?

[gaunt needle]

there is literally zero point to boss rush in its current state

most of the early game bosses do nothing since you have too much mobility

[dense locust]

correct!
that means that there is also no point to moving it to a secret seed
also you have to admit the abyss becomes substantially lamer when theres just... nothing, at the bottom

[unreal kelp]

Once again, most boss mobility was significantly buffed in Boss rush, they are just complete pushovers in hp terms and nobody just pays attention to it

Like king slime in BR is on steroids compared to original in terms of speed

[frail fox]

Boss Rush balance in 20XX after yharim’s release

[median scaffold]

I agree with the Abyss
I guess that's kinda the intent that the lower layers are less alive because they're filled with dangerous predators, but the bottom also has the least interesting environment

[golden sonnet]

The crags issue was fixed and it worked outside of that, but testing has not been done with the current state of changed biomes. I can add it to my to do list I suppose but it probably won't be a high priority

[distant gyro]

i think the melt is a part of the fun

one of the bases of boss rush is that you get to test out the final 20+ dev weapons on something

the balance of it definitely bears a little resemblance to PoH

hell you even get 2 buffed endgame bosses at the end to help entertain your its like absolute radiance

[spice stream]

hollow night