suggestions-discussion

[ashen warren]

they both have post plantera loot

[glass arch]

extensive effort/broadly scoped

[indigo yacht]

again, however, that is a problem with the boss, not a problem with calamity's attitude about linearity

[hollow shell]

(the Don'ts aren't numbered- ah

[ashen warren]

i was just using ravager as my example cause hes really easy but he literally requires post golem loot to spawn in

[unborn stream]

he doesn't tho

[glass arch]

no actually he doesnt

[ashen warren]

its balanced cause post golem loot post golem makes sense

[indigo yacht]

(you can fight ravager as your second boss)

[ashen warren]

he needs lizard brick

[glass arch]

yeah and you can get that from killing bohldohrs

[indigo yacht]

(bhouldhors)

or however they're spelled

[ashen warren]

oh i wasnt aware of that

thats an easy change tho just remove the spawn until post golem easy

[glass arch]

but why

[ashen warren]

drop* not spawn

[indigo yacht]

but why

🐌

[glass arch]

what does removing the ability to spawn it until post golem do

its an obscure progression skip

[hollow shell]

Zacey, the point these people are all trying to get at is that the Calamity devs want players to be able to fight bosses whenever they want

[indigo yacht]

ravager's drops are honestly dogshit too besides the geodes

like oh boy blood pact that vaguely doesn't suck i think a little bit

[glass arch]

hell

the devs actively decided to not patch out rox shimmer

because its really fun for progression skipping

[drifting socket]

yeah it's not like they accidentally made Plantera bulbs spawn earlier

[indigo yacht]

as a player i can affirm that i appreciate the flexibility that's provided by this mindset

[drifting socket]

what does it actually allow you to do?

[ashen warren]

yeah point im trying to make is that you can skip all of hardmode and most of endgame with extreme ease the progression doesnt exist

[indigo yacht]

is that a problem

[glass arch]

mechs

[hollow shell]

If you're good enough to fight a later game boss early and win, they want you to be rewarded for your skill by getting the late-game drops

[glass arch]

^

[drifting socket]

Damn

[ashen warren]

but theres no skill involved cus the devs havent made dedicated ai

[glass arch]

i agree, deus is not a hard boss, but at that same point its not piss easy if you arent already skilled at the game

[ashen warren]

the only skill is just getting past the stats difference

its essentially cheese

[indigo yacht]

why should progression be reworked just because the player has the option (despite the fact the vast majority of people who play the mod will likely not/only partially interact with the non-linear aspect) to skip bosses

[glass arch]

so what your suggestion wants is... a rework of basically every boss that comes after plantera?

[hollow shell]

For Deus, if you think his AI is too predictable and easy to understand,
then sure, ask for Deus to be made more difficult

Levi and Ana do not have the issue of cloned AI, afaik

[glass arch]

like genuinely im confused as to what your suggestion is asking for

[ashen warren]

no my suggestion is just a temporary progression fix until they rework the bosses years from now

[glass arch]

but why does it need to be fixed

why is being able to fight a boss earlier than intended a bad thing

[ashen warren]

??

have you not been listening LMAO

[indigo yacht]

i think you're either misunderstanding or missing the point of our discussion

[ashen warren]

how could i miss the point of my own suggestion

i wrote it

[glass arch]

no i have been reading the discussion
your points simply make no sense, hence im asking for clarification

[ashen warren]

ok name one part that didnt make sense ive been very clear

[indigo yacht]

that's not what i meant, i said discussion not suggestion

[hollow shell]

It's possible we need a player who is bad at the game to weigh in.

How easy is it for a relatively new player to fight post-Plant/post-Golem bosses before Mechs?

[drifting socket]

why not bump up the difficulty a smidge if you're finding yourself able to skip around too much for your liking

[unborn stream]

essentially impossible

[errant wren]

hey that's me

uhhh

[indigo yacht]

i so wish my friend was in this server so that i could ping them

[ashen warren]

pretty easy

[glass arch]

when i first started? not easy at all, it was pretty damn hard actually

[ashen warren]

i didnt that on my first ever playthrough

[drifting socket]

what fucking difficulty are you playing on

[hollow shell]

You being really good at the game means you're actually doing what the devs intended when they made the bosses fightable at any time

Your skill lets you do skips

[indigo yacht]

i remember on my first playthrough, the post golem bosses took me more than two dozen tries with on-tier gear

[oblique birch]

this suggestion will go nowhere

[ashen warren]

skeletron prime was too difficult at the time so i skipped to anahita and then astrum deus and beat skeletron with ease afterward

that was revengeance i think

[indigo yacht]

...

[errant wren]

i typically take a few attempts before i manage to beat a given boss

[ashen warren]

i did the same in master death mode then masochist death mode

[hollow shell]

(we don't need more people adding to the dogpile, please)

[glass arch]

congrats you figured out the point of progression skipping

progression skipping allows you to skip a point of progression and go back later when you're much stronger

[ashen warren]

so the point is so garbage players can cheese essentially

[errant wren]

...

[glass arch]

not what i said

[ashen warren]

i was trash back then

[glass arch]

not anywhere close to what i said, actually

[ashen warren]

im reading what you said right now

thats literally what you said

[glass arch]

then read a bit harder because it isnt

[ashen warren]

"if ur too trash to beat a boss just skip like 5 bosses ahead and then go back to that one"

[indigo yacht]

i don't think this discussion is being productive

[drifting socket]

yeah y'all are going in circles

[hollow shell]

I agree...

[edgy sundial]

don't feed the trolls, kids

[hollow shell]

I'll admit that crossed my mind

[ashen warren]

i think we should do what rover drive said tbh

[glass arch]

regardless im still pretty sure this falls under the extensive effort/broadly scoped dont part of the doc

[ashen warren]

we need a bad player here

the only people in chat are intermediate/pros

[unborn stream]

did you miss the part where multiple people weighed in on that lol

[hollow shell]

I remember Aureus was hard as hell for me to beat on-tier

But that was a while ago

[ashen warren]

not for me tbh

[indigo yacht]

that's good for you

[hollow shell]

We've established that.

[ashen warren]

all i needed was cryonic ore and i could beat him

it was lightwork

[hollow shell]

cool
We've established that.

[ashen warren]

then the rest of hardmode fell apart cause his loot could 3 shot the other bosses

[drifting socket]

again you might need to bump up tha difficulty

[hollow shell]

You don't need to keep saying how easy it was for you to do, Zacey.

[ashen warren]

fascinating

[north oracle]

yea, having a boss be easy to do if you're already good at the game doesn't mean it needs to be locked :hunterkek:

[drifting socket]

what type of creature is your pfp supposed to be rover? it looks cool

[glass arch]

an oc i believe

[unborn stream]

master death buffs vanilla bosses' difficulty massively while not making nearly as significant changes to calamity bosses, correct?

[hollow shell]

(not convo relevant. i'll tell you in gentalk)

[violet zephyr]

We need to lock Skeletron and Slime God. They make the earlier bosses too easy if you beat them.

[drifting socket]

fair

[ashen warren]

yeah i believe so

[indigo yacht]

calamity bosses remain trivially easy

[unborn stream]

because if this is the case then yes it causes progression issues where it's easier to skip a vanilla boss in favor of a calamity boss, to then come back and melt the vanilla boss

[ashen warren]

only hard bosses in calamity are the big 4

or rather big 3

[indigo yacht]

yharon and scal are pretty hard

[drifting socket]

big 2

big 1

[glass arch]

yharon isnt that bad

[drifting socket]

big 0

big -1

[ashen warren]

big 2 is meh cause i struggled with dog 1st and second time

and providnce

[indigo yacht]

true, my experience is slightly skewed since most of it happened when i was bad/nohitting, but it's harder than dog and exos are at least

[ashen warren]

crazy cause for providence i just got poltergast loot and then fought her again

[unborn stream]

so actually i think the issue with progression that zacey is talking about is referring specifically to master death and the way its bosses are balanced

[north oracle]

that is an issue with master death's reworks not all being done

[ashen warren]

i never played expert in calamity tbh

that could be it

im pretty much saying that its not really the progression skip thats the problem is just that the loot you get make the other bosses too easy so its boring

[errant wren]

that's...

[unborn stream]

uhm

[indigo yacht]

to fix that "problem" would require rebalancing... let's see... oh, i see, the entire game

[ashen warren]

is it that hard to balance the game

[indigo yacht]

and it's not really a problem because the calamity devs want it to be that way

[ashen warren]

just tweaking a few numbers

[indigo yacht]

yes??

[glass arch]

yes

[indigo yacht]

game balance is way harder than people assume

there's thousands of factors and variables you won't see until your changes are live

[violet zephyr]

Congratulations. That is the point. Do progression skip, get rewarded for it.

[north oracle]

if you do a tierskip to get powerful gear, that is in fact your own choice
it's accentuated in master atm because of the disparity in difficulty between vanilla and cal, but that's already planned to be fixed (master reworks will be finished)

[hollow shell]

Oh god please do not say that

Everybody is going to hate you

[north oracle]

[glass arch]

do not ask how hard it is to balance the game when you're in this channel out of all of them

[drifting socket]

relogic put the fucking Reaver Shark in the game one time. Game balance is a fickle thing

[ashen warren]

you mean the sunken sea upd coming up

[ashen warren]

ok my fault

[indigo yacht]

hi, non suspiciously named moderator "whip balance"!

[glass arch]

this is like legitimately the worst channel to ask that in

[indigo yacht]

hows your day!

[north oracle]

balj;cne whip

[ashen warren]

yeah and literally all they had to do was adjust 1 number

pickaxe power

lowering it

easy

[indigo yacht]

awesome lovely to hear

[drifting socket]

how are you supposed to balance on a whip. they're like. floppy

[north oracle]

see this guy gets it

[indigo yacht]

real

[drowsy plank]

is this just a guy asking to remove the non-linearity changes

[north oracle]

yes

[violet zephyr]

Yes.

[drowsy plank]

how did this spark this much of a convo

[glass arch]

hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo you are making it so hard

[north oracle]

jacob go eat a lemon

[drowsy plank]

guys watch i got this;
no

now ignore him and move on

[hollow shell]

Assuming you're not being facetious,
the problem comes from the fact that the game has maybe 500 or more weapons now
And a lot of accessories, armors, potions etc that interact with these weapons

[drowsy plank]

i think it is obvious nothing productive is happening here

[glass arch]

i do that on a regular basis

[indigo yacht]

mostly because the conversation kept circling back to the same points since they didn't really want to listen to them

[north oracle]

sugg posting is on a roll today huh

[drifting socket]

reading that in my mind it got gradually more southern

[indigo yacht]

no we're on a whip

[drowsy plank]

yeah if he wants to be ignorant whatever, at a certain point it's not our problem, and if he refuses to listen then that's when a mod should just step in and shut the convo down

[unborn stream]

at least my bad suggestions are interesting

[drowsy plank]

ture.......

[errant wren]

pfft

[drifting socket]

elaborate

[royal tapir]

the sniffer

[ashen warren]

i had the best suggestion here by far

[drifting socket]

:hawktruah:

[violet zephyr]

Rock item is so cool it should have a sequel... A Rock 2, perhaps...

[drowsy plank]

never ping me with that again

[errant wren]

anyways what do you guys think the sugg i posted

[drowsy plank]

exploding on platforms after a short time seems like an easy fix

[drifting socket]

that's my favorite K.O. punch it makes everyone see red

[ashen warren]

thats the same suggestion i had lmao?

[violet zephyr]

It doesn't have a ❗, so clearly it passed some sort of bar.

[hollow shell]

I actually do not know the current Brim and Clone fights well enough to know what you're talking about

[drifting socket]

It's functional!!!!!!

[glass arch]

the dust balls that dont do anything

[drowsy plank]

it's the lingering explosion like inferno fork

[ashen warren]

ur literally just saying make the brimstone bosses stronger

[indigo yacht]

they like sort of move towards you and shoot fireballs that miss and do nothing

incredibly boring

[violet zephyr]

Well, they haven't been changed that much, so you probably do know.

[hollow shell]

Zacey I'm going to have to ask you to leave.

[drowsy plank]

OH THANK GOD SOMEONE ELSE DID IT

[hollow shell]

(this channel, for now)

[drowsy plank]

anyway yeah the sugg is good

idk if it'll pass but

[glass arch]

time to scrounge through the list of weapons to find one to suggest removal of

[drowsy plank]

honestly maybe a clip would help it

[errant wren]

:D

[drowsy plank]

if you want to resugg asp if it doesnt pass

[indigo yacht]

murasama

[hollow shell]

I doubt a lot of people know what the hellfireballs are by name

[drifting socket]

fabstaff

that'll definitely pass

[drowsy plank]

[indigo yacht]

choose a donor weapon specifically

[errant wren]

i mean i stole it from @fleet grotto (sorry for the ping)

[drowsy plank]

fair, i was just saying if it doesnt pass again, a recording would help
maybe with a hitbox enabled mod

[violet zephyr]

.

[errant wren]

i did say earlier that i haven't played cal in like half a year

[drowsy plank]

lucrecia 👍

[fleet grotto]

Iwdidnt know this was already suggested or something

idk

iejust got here

[hollow shell]

No I like long-shortsword :<

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[glass arch]

excellent idea i will begin drafting

[fleet grotto]

i think that's just sword

[errant wren]

oh yeah it was when i rewrote what you had written

[ashen warren]

why would i do that

[drowsy plank]

lucrecia is the funniest weapon of all time

oh boy

[drifting socket]

I should make a suggestion to flips coin lock rolls die shimmer behind does tarot Brimstone Elemental

[drowsy plank]

is this gonna be an actual problem

[ashen warren]

that reminds me i have another suggestion

[olive saddle]

this weapon pisses me off tbh

[hollow shell]

If this is something inflammatory I'm timing you out

[drifting socket]

You're going to get nuked

[unborn stream]

actually I have a suggestion related to scal, y'know how when you refight her she has different dialogue? specifically when the brimstone monsters showed up she would taunt you asking if "you've seen these in your nightmares since our first battle?" but now that attack has been reworked and it's just a single giant brimstone vortex, perhaps it would be better for her to then say "i wonder if you've seen this in your nightmares since our first battle?"

[novel belfry]

it might get changed anyways

[fleet grotto]

her dialogue is getting rewrite

[drowsy plank]

oh true

[violet zephyr]

Locked.

[fleet grotto]

it's old

;(

[indigo yacht]

Lock shimmer behind Brimstone Elemental

She trails it behind her as she moves

[unborn stream]

oh lol

[ashen warren]

what is threatening me gonna do i dont care

[violet zephyr]

(Rewritten anyway)

[ashen warren]

check suggestions in like 5 mins i have a good one trust

[hollow shell]

Oh I never noticed that lol

[unborn stream]

well then that fixes that lol

[drowsy plank]

worst boss fight of all time

[indigo yacht]

idk what you mean

[royal tapir]

SCal dialogue rewrite in soon tm

[indigo yacht]

best suggestion ive ever had

[novel belfry]

but in all honesty, if its called "nightmares", it probably implies the vortex is made out of... lets say actual nightmares

[indigo yacht]

even better than my martian invasion one

[novel belfry]

and that fucking rocks

[hollow shell]

I don't think SCal has any dream powers but

[unborn stream]

she would channel nightmares into a giant vortex to chase you around the arena

[violet zephyr]

What the fuck is a metaphor!!!!!

[hollow shell]

It's an RPG that came out last year

[drifting socket]

Scal should channel primordial light to instantly smite you 10 seconds into the fight

this will fix the game

[indigo yacht]

scal should install a virus on your pc that will completely annihilate it if you don't kill her in 3 attempts

[drowsy plank]

Its me terrrarian im calamitas speaking to you from inside your brain. forget yharim, we dont need him-

[unborn stream]

also i don't like how the new brimstone vortex doesn't actually appear until the bullet hell is already almost over

[hollow shell]

You joke but people are actually starting to put viruses in Terraria mods. Like, it's a problem

[drowsy plank]

https://tenor.com/view/metaphor-refantazio-metaphor-hulkenberg-atlus-smt-gif-11981854983999416657

[glass arch]

cog i want you to know this one message has now prompted me to open calamity for the first time in ages

[drowsy plank]

LOL

[royal tapir]

Me if I was a red-haired girl banging a ladel against a pan

[indigo yacht]

i was wondering about that, honestly, because i realized you theoretically could when i was trying to code

[hollow shell]

oh god

[violet zephyr]

#suggestions-voting message

Thoughts on reposting this suggestion?

[indigo yacht]

which stats on leaf wings are underpowered

I've heard some very positive things about them recently

[drowsy plank]

her name is hulkenberg

[hollow shell]

What tier is Leaf Wings in modern Terraria/Calamity? It's hopped around a bit

[violet zephyr]

The mobility ones.

[drowsy plank]

uhhhh

post-plant i think???

[indigo yacht]

yeah i know which mobility stats

[violet zephyr]

Post-Plantera, strength of Post-1 Mech.

[drowsy plank]

along with tiki

[drifting socket]

yeah I think it could be good for another shot

[royal tapir]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466943505663655937/1083946998614470748/1678391318329531.gif

[violet zephyr]

They're just worse than other on-tier wings...

[hollow shell]

May be good to back up your sugg with numbers when you post it

[drowsy plank]

metaphor was so good it convinced me to start going through the rest of atlus's catalogue i will never pass up the chance to mention it

[indigo yacht]

(flight time, horizontal speed, horizontal accel, vertical accel)

[violet zephyr]

I can do that later with a screenshot of the wiki.

I'm in bed right now...

[hollow shell]

aight

[violet zephyr]

Too comfy to get up and use PC...

[royal tapir]

Anyway uhh the hellfireball suggestion yeah !

[indigo yacht]

I'm just wondering because with angel treads the horizontal speed is nullified and the set bonus is apparently really strong

[royal tapir]

tbh I've always felt like it was intentional that they don't

I've never confirmed that though

[indigo yacht]

oh wrong one kinda

dryad's blessing is 8 defense and 6 regen (3hp/s)

[glass arch]

Remove Lucrecia

Lucrecia... certainly exists. In the past, it was notorious for being one of the most defensively ridiculous weapons, with it giving i-frames on hitting an enemy. However, in 2.0.4.1, that was removed, and along with it, Lucrecia's identity. In its current state, Lucrecia fires generic, medium-range projectiles directly towards your cursor. It is a weapon with no purpose, whatever shred of identity it once had stripped away, a husk masquerading as an item. Removing it would be a mercy at this point.

[olive saddle]

[glass arch]

i really let my inner hatred of this weapon show in those last sentences

[violet zephyr]

I had a terrible idea.

[royal tapir]

Lucrecia got the life raft

[violet zephyr]

Give Lucrecia an ability that grants IFrames, somehow.

[royal tapir]

[hollow shell]

Oh huh I didn't know it lost the iframes thing

[royal tapir]

I killed it

[indigo yacht]

murderer

[violet zephyr]

Didn't it make you borderline invincible for worm bosses. And most other things if you could consistently hit with it.

[glass arch]

yes

[unborn stream]

okay serious suggestion idea
Shorten the spawn animation for Supreme Calamitas' Whispering Maelstrom

insert fancy words here but basically once it actually starts chasing you the bullet hell is pretty much already over, which really lessens the impact of its presence and somehow diminishes that iconic reputation it had (i can't words enough rn to make the suggestion convincing but you get my point)

[violet zephyr]

Those are indeed some fancy words.

[hollow shell]

Over the years I've grown cautious of removing items that are uhh
thematic "islands", for lack of a better term?
Items that aren't part of any kind of set.

They're easy to remove because they don't "fit" with the rest of Calamity and very little depends on them. A class doesn't "lose its option" from the set the item doesn't have.

But also... I worry that makes Calamity too one track, removes variety n uniqueness.

[verbal aspen]

relative to like mothron/spectre, not significantly
its a difference of 10 frames of flight time and ~0.82 mph of max vertical speed which is not significant with how powerful its non-mobility stats are

[glass arch]

im not even saying this as a theme thing

im saying this from purely functionality

its just about as basic of a weapon as you can get

its whole identity was the fact that it gave iframes on hit

[unborn stream]

the mediocre mundane weapons are what make the cool weapons cool, or something

[novel belfry]

i think lucrecia should be rethemed around its DNA theme thingy

[glass arch]

and now that it doesnt, it has no identity

[drifting socket]

it should give iframes on hit. to the boss

[glass arch]

it doesnt know what its supposed to be anymore, so it defaults to generic projectile broadsword except this time it swings like a shortsword

[indigo yacht]

make it give the enemy iframes on hit !

extra iframes

[unborn stream]

i was gonna say

[frail fox]

Weapon purge soon surely

[novel belfry]

give it a functionality that is based around the dna theme again

[drifting socket]

hell of a lot of suggestions today. most of them are ❗ ful

[royal tapir]

Before I sleep, I will say that when Xyk was working on the Devil’s Devastation line, he accidentally made a funny particle pattern where everyone was like, “That would look cool on Lucrecia”

[dense locust]

make lucrecia arbitrarily execute a random line of code whenever it hits an enemy

[drifting socket]

fucking horrible and destructive 👍

I love it

[novel belfry]

WAIT A MINUTE

IS THE REASON DEVASTATION WENT KPAUT

IS BECAUSE THE REWORKED DEVIL'S SUNRISE IS PART OF THE DEVILS DEVASTION LINE?

[dense locust]

devils devistation is a donor item

[ashen warren]

No.

[drowsy plank]

devil's sunrise is the donor, isn't it?

[dense locust]

it is truely the donor of all time

[royal tapir]

Devil’s Sunrise happened a month or two after

[drowsy plank]

devil's dev is the mainline cal weapon

[glass arch]

yeah

sunrise is the donor item

[drifting socket]

What about Devils Devil

[dense locust]

demonic reforge

[novel belfry]

😭

[dense locust]

those weapons are not even remotely the same outside of the name anyway

[drifting socket]

"Oh hey, this fellow doesn't have a profile picture, I wonder how long they've been using discord. I should check their profile!"

The full power of the sun:

[violet zephyr]

Devestation Devil.

[dense locust]

I dont know how to turn it off
its also not that bright I'm ngl

[drifting socket]

it's 11:30 in a dark bedroom

[violet zephyr]

User Profile. Part of Nitro.

[violet zephyr]

Try 6:30 AM, after being awake all night.

[dense locust]

oh and also
I do have a profile picture you just arn't looking hard enough

[drifting socket]

why did you do that to yourself

[violet zephyr]

Why? I wanted to see how bright their profile background was.

[drifting socket]

no stay up that long

[violet zephyr]

Oh.

It gives me more free time.

[gray bone]

More time to seek knowledge

[dense locust]

ok hows that

[violet zephyr]

Good.

[drifting socket]

I feel that. but like I just physically couldn't

[fleet grotto]

this setting in accessibility should help

[drifting socket]

My ass would be honk shoo mimimi before 3

[fleet grotto]

it makes things darker if you're in dark mode

the brighter profiles

[violet zephyr]

Oh. Nice.

[drifting socket]

OUGH

I WILL NEVER FLASBANG AGAIN

FUCK UOU MINTY PROFULES

[drifting socket]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-anime-omg-wtf-cant-unsee-gif-5159766

[jolly elbow]

Ok for the last day i made a terraria armored core mech

dont know how to shadow so its a little funky

[mellow lotus]

for shading, get another layer and use a brush with ~30% opacity, then choose a direction in 3D space around the model where light is coming from and brush the individual bits on the side the light is not

Then, do the same with a pinpoint brush underneath height variated bits like raised armor plating and done

can qlso do multiple shading passes with larger and more transparent brushes for a smoother effect

[jolly elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-bt7274-titanfall-gif-14796563

[gray bone]

BT!!!

[jolly elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/titanfall-gmod-garrys-mod-party-dance-moves-gif-22417773

[errant inlet]

"Add back the environmental hazards Death used to have as an optional sub-difficulty"

Whaddowethink

[north oracle]

Reversion, also "optional subdifficulty?"

[gaunt needle]

add environmental hazards to the constant seed

(and to gfb as well)

[gritty plaza]

Weren't env hazards really dumb?

I didn't play back then but iirc from a yt vid you could just put walls behind yourself and ignore all of 'em

[maiden quartz]

add natural disasters to calamity

[gilded citrus]

No

[fleet grotto]

Aren't acid rains a natural disaster already

[sand marlin]

Calamities are natural disasters

[drowsy plank]

dirt wall meta

[prisma sedge]

What about unnatural disasters?

[drowsy plank]

that's just ravager

[prisma sedge]

Fair game

[gilded citrus]

Almost Every post ml boss:

[gritty plaza]

providence should be able to set fire to and burn away flammable blocks

[drowsy plank]

terraria overhaul type change

[worthy lintel]

whenever you receive icarus folly there should be a 25% chance it immediately unequips your wings

[gritty plaza]

instead of bosses going through blocks they destroy every block they touch

golem just falls through the world

[frozen hornet]

the stomper

[nimble totem]

King slime instant hellevator strats unlocked?

[drifting socket]

No king Slime would teleport

Deerclops

[fleet grotto]

king slime doesn't deal damage while falling if it's after a teleport iirc

[gritty plaza]

And it should drop the blocks

Eoc is a pickaxe with infinite range and 1000% pickaxe power

[tepid rapids]

#suggestions-posting message @ashen warren calamity is meant to be flexiable like this, why would you want it to be more rigid?

[violet zephyr]

No need to ping them. This has already been discussed, and they clearly showed no willingness to having their mind changed.

[errant wren]

yeah that

[drowsy plank]

istg maybe i should go back to deleting these suggs...............

[errant wren]

maybe have the bot delete them the moment they get like 15 ❗?

not that they hit that amount frequently...

[frail fox]

Even exclaimed their own suggestion lol

[errant wren]

lmao

[errant wren]

that said, i do think my proposition might be worthwhile

less mod work maybe

[golden sonnet]

Doesn't accomplish anything

An exclamation mark means it's invalid and will never get to voting, and already gets the suggestion deleted in 24 hours

They exist to give users a chance to fix their suggestion before it's outright deleted, adding a down vote system that anyone could add votes to ruins the point and would just result in things being deleted before they can be refined

[errant wren]

eh fair

i forget that there's almost always something that can go wrong

however if a sugg somehow hits 100 ❗ it should maybe be deleted prematurely

i refuse to believe that cal members are coordinated enough to pull that off in that time frame

[fleet grotto]

if a suggestion hits 100 ❗'s in 24 hours, that person will literally explode

[maiden quartz]

[violet zephyr]

Great suggestion.

Obviously, the best in the world.

None can top it.

[jolly stream]

🙂

[fleet grotto]

i think we found the suggestion that's getting 100 ❗s

[violet zephyr]

I'm being sarcastic.

[jolly stream]

ik

it would be funny tho

or maybe a special seed just for that

[violet zephyr]

No, it wouldn't.

[jolly stream]

💀

[fleet grotto]

dog is already funny in gfb

it doesn't need to be changed

[jolly stream]

ik

its kinda a joke suggestion

[fleet grotto]

besides this suggestion is just baaad...

[jolly stream]

but it would be funny

[fleet grotto]

not allowed </3

[jolly stream]

kk

should i remove it

[mellow lotus]

yeah it's really different from how you are all the time

[mellow lotus]

no

[jolly stream]

but i mean gfb is also a joke seed

so joke suggestion for joke seed?

[fleet grotto]

...no

iwdont think that's how it works

[jolly stream]

if you want a challenge do ftw if you want a joke do gfb

[fleet grotto]

the suggestion itself shouldn't be a joke
the suggestion should be about a joke

[fleet grotto]

ftw is a joke difficulty too fyi

[mellow lotus]

but basalisk I have to pose as a pro gamer by pretending to play gfb exclusively

[jolly stream]

not rlly ppl actually do it seriously

[fleet grotto]

same with gfb

[jolly stream]

oh i do that too

ofc

[fleet grotto]

but are you telling me tiny golem isn't a joke

[jolly stream]

jk

[fleet grotto]

skeletron primes only change being

bombs blow up tiles

it's a joke

[mellow lotus]

gfb is interesting as a thought experiment, like how much torment are players willing to accept

[jolly stream]

ik

but if you want torment to ftw masochist mode in souls

**** that difficulty

[mellow lotus]

mediumcore

[jolly stream]

hardcore

[mellow lotus]

plus all items get deleted on death

[jolly stream]

just dont die

not that hard

[mellow lotus]

hardcore and world gets deleted

[jolly stream]

thats normally how ppl do it

or at least how i do it

[mellow lotus]

do it in one sitting

[jolly stream]

lol

never

i could not sit there for that long

[mellow lotus]

wym just don't die and kill the enemies, it's not hard?

[jolly stream]

?

[mellow lotus]

fake gamer

[jolly stream]

?

[mellow lotus]

if your gaming chair doesn't allow you to play terraria calamity masochist gfb hardcore in one sitting it's fake

[jolly stream]

lol

[mellow lotus]

gaming license revoked

[jolly stream]

i game in my bed

💀

lying down

without even using a mouse

[mellow lotus]

ooh do it on the mobile version good idea

[jolly stream]

nooooooooo

[mellow lotus]

mobile version no sound standing in a crowded metro

[jolly stream]

https://tenor.com/view/ahoklollmao-noooo-nooo-noo-no-gif-17139315586294057944

spare me

[mellow lotus]

kinect controls

[jolly stream]

calamity with no qol

[fleet grotto]

you fool

[jolly stream]

?

[fleet grotto]

calamity IS the qol mod

[jolly stream]

??

what makes it qol

[fleet grotto]

are you forgetting all the qol that calamity adds

[mellow lotus]

qol, such as dying to dog 40 million times

[fleet grotto]

it's a joke btw...

/hj

[jolly stream]

o

lol

isn't some guy working on making a calamity, fargo souls, and thorium modpack (and more idk the names)

i saw smth about that on youtube

[ripe owl]

Yes and it sucks

[jolly stream]

lol

[mellow lotus]

calamity wotg masochist gfb hardcore single session mobile version standing in a crowded metro with kinect controls
Only allowed weapon is the finch staff and the copper shortsword

[ripe owl]

Least from what I've seen

[jolly stream]

easy

[jolly stream]

i hope it gets better

[jolly stream]

5 min tops

[mellow lotus]

tbh I use calamity and thorium together with the ragnarok mod that melds them together and it plays wonderfully

[jolly stream]

nice

i have beaten moon lord with only a copper shortsword before in calamity by teleporting away from leeches and having a ton of survivibility

it takes forever tho lol

[mellow lotus]

ye true
Back when dodge used to stack I beat ml too, with a rod of discord and a copper shortsword by just flying away really fast to heal if I got hit twice before the potion cooldown ran out

most annoying part is the topmost eye because he keeps flying upwards constantly

[gaunt crystal]

that DoG is vile

[maiden quartz]

peak sugg

sheds tear

[rugged belfry]

I don't care if the suggestion has no reasoning, that is a perfect suggestion

[drowsy plank]

@jolly stream no joke suggestions; you were probably already told off for this but im just deleting it

[lucid marsh]

At least it was a funny joke

[drowsy plank]

i was gonna say this was dumb but yeah why the fuck does it have the 2 hp per second when standing still

that's stupid

[crude geode]

Endgame shiny stone…

[jolly stream]

okay sorry for the inconvenience

:))

[north oracle]

There's definitely some effects (like 2 hp/s specifically while standing still) that are extraneous

[frail fox]

Fall sky projectiles

[indigo yacht]

chalice of the blood god rework (+50% health)

[north oracle]

Honestly there could be like 1 acc that does that in the entire mod and it would arguably be too many

[frail fox]

Star cloak but worse x10

[lucid marsh]

It's an amazing effect as soon as the projectiles do something interesting. For example, make mana stars like the mana cloak

[sand marlin]

This is from honey buff btw

[steep patrol]

Standing still effect of radiance come from it predecessor (ampoule which give 1.5) and the standing still effect actually mean not moving horizontally so it can still be activated by flying in place, the +1 HP/s effect while under effect of debuff also help a lot (it may seems small but it actually did something when compare it to debuff damage) and stacking a lot of small Regen can result in a lot of Regen ( ) the reason that the tooltip become like that is because in the past accessories description are not very detailed and accessories with Regen usually just say "increase life regeneration" or something like that and make it frustrating to judge if it worth keeping the accessories or not

[steep patrol]

Pretty sure the honey effect is "+1 Regen, speed up Regen time, and another +1 if under effect of damaging debuff"

[unborn stream]

maybe the tooltips could be condensed when not holding shift or something

[steep patrol]

+8 Defense
+70 HP
A lot of life regen + Honey effect
Standing still give massive Regen
Get 20 def when under effect of a debuff and additional 8 for other debuff
Half duration of most debuff and render weak debuff harmless
Make you glow

[verbal aspen]

standing still effect actually mean not moving horizontally so it can still be activated by flying in place
nope

[steep patrol]

Which one is it then because it still get a lot of Regen by doing that

[steep patrol]

There are 2 btw the accelerate Regen time one and the flat amount one

Sorry forget the ping

[verbal aspen]

yeah ik, both use this check

[steep patrol]

Ok thanks for information

Maybe it's vanilla 1.25 multiplier

[verbal aspen]

yeah

im not sure if it checks for y velocity and i cant check the github because there isnt one

[sand marlin]

I mean technically that is relevant but I keep forgetting that it's not the right effect

[steep patrol]

Yeah maybe not this since from the stat meter it more than 25% increase

[verbal aspen]

well vanilla multiplier is either 0.5 or 1.25, so it would be more than 25%

[steep patrol]

Wait no it seems to increase proportionate to the Regen

[north oracle]

I think how much confusion there is around how this acc actually gives it's regen is a point in favor of the sugg

[steep patrol]

Can comfirm 2 hp/s is only when grounded tho so maybe the vanilla shenanigans is what tilt me

But the 2 hp/s is pair with it core mechanic tho which set player Regen time to 1800 and I assume it persist even after you stop standing still

[steep patrol]

This is not in item tool tip btw but are in wiki

[tired haven]

As far as I can tell, this multiplier only applies to natural regen. Regen from items or buffs stays constant

(There are some nasty exceptions like shiny stone working almost entirely through enhancing natural regen)

[verbal aspen]

oh right the increase would depend on the amount of natural regen vs buff regen you have

[gaunt needle]

radiance should get an upgrade where it's all the same buffs except without any conditions (like +10 hp/s straight, no strings attached)

call it "absolute radiance" or something

[gilded citrus]

[maiden quartz]

[gray bone]

Incredible

[steep patrol]

nice sugg

[fleet grotto]

please read the suggestion rules.........

[steep patrol]

you can find the suggestion rule in #suggestions-posting channel pinned message

[maiden quartz]

Peak joke sugg

[lucid marsh]

I can't tell if this is serious

[fleet grotto]

considering this message i don't think so

[lucid marsh]

I think this child might have just watched guardians of the galaxy for the first time

[whole tundra]

Amazing suggestion

[steep patrol]

lets count how long it last

[whole tundra]

Absolute cinema

[steep patrol]

start 7:18

[maiden quartz]

The sugg bot should automatically filter suggs with the word cool

[steep patrol]

cant make sugg about cool whip then

[north oracle]

[steep patrol]

yo fluf

[north oracle]

@solar ember suggestions about adding specific items aren't allowed, please check the pinned document before making suggestions

[maiden quartz]

what can be suggested about cool whip

[gaunt needle]

make it cooler

[north oracle]

Damn I was about to say that

Nice gif mf

[fleet grotto]

30% crit tag

[steep patrol]

lets just shot it down

[fleet grotto]

please!

[gaunt needle]

the snowflake now deals true melee damage and has a crit chance

[north oracle]

[fleet grotto]

i wonder what the user named whip balance thinks about this idea

[maiden quartz]

approved!

[steep patrol]

give it 0% tag damage and 120% crit rate

[solar ember]

So even if you guys wanted to add my idea you won’t because of your rules : (

[north oracle]

It's a mystery

[north oracle]

we don't add random items made up by users

[solar ember]

well how do you guys add items then?

[maiden quartz]

A bunch of us told you were the rules were

[steep patrol]

only on some rare occasion like item that disable spawn

[north oracle]

Typically? There are far more than enough ideas within dev to not need specific items to be suggested by the community

[north oracle]

Pretty much, yea
If the item is added to solve a wider problem

[solar ember]

there I deleted my idea you guys have to much on your plates

https://tenor.com/view/mengsedih-gif-23325538

[lucid marsh]

I called it, it was serious

If it makes you feel any better, no one is allowed to suggest items

This is because every single item suggestion ever, with only a handful of exceptions, has been really bad for reasons that most people do not understand

But the gist of it is that references aren't added anymore, donator items also aren't added anymore, and it was a mistake to ever have them

[north oracle]

references are absolutely still added just in moderation, and not randomly from the community

[glass arch]

donor items are also still added they're just all from the backlog and no new ones are accepted

[gritty plaza]

how big is the backlog?

[drowsy plank]

idk im pretty sure it might still be in the triple digits, but i might be confusing it with thorium

i just remember it being a lot

[glass arch]

it was like 40 last i checked

[drowsy plank]

ah okay so i was confusing it with another

40 is still a lot

[indigo yacht]

on my infernum world i made a really big scourge arena (in retrospect it was overkill but i wanted to be safe) and oftentimes the cragmaws would spawn and slam down and just go all the way to the bottom and despawn

[fleet grotto]

so they do fall through platforms

i couldn't remember if they did or not

[indigo yacht]

pretty sure

i did have platforms since i wasn't using wings

[glass arch]

ye i think you were thinking of that one modpack

[grave zinc]

@odd fractal - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[More uses for exodium clusters]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@unborn stream - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add an indicator for bosses enraging for the vanilla style healthbar]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[indigo yacht]

i assume this conflicts with other plans

[drowsy plank]

that would be a 🔒 then

[humble scarab]

bruh

[median scaffold]

Well, that should be a 🔒, probably

[sand marlin]

Why?

[median scaffold]

There are plans for adding new health bars, so maybe this has something to do with the refusal of the suggestion?

[golden sonnet]

The vanilla bar inherently has limitations and would be annoying to change, no real point to

[maiden quartz]

2x healthy23 pfps

[golden sonnet]

.

[indigo yacht]

all 0 vanilla healthbar users are in shambles rn

[crude geode]

don't most people use that one mod

better boss health bar?

[golden sonnet]

I do yeah, it's much better for multiplayer

As it shows defense, Dr, who has aggro

[sand marlin]

Because adding bars =/= changing vanilla bar

[prisma sedge]

Hehehe

[golden sonnet]

NO WAY

[gaunt needle]

what's up with the healthy23 pfps

[golden sonnet]

The virus

[median scaffold]

The WotG virus

(They're great and I love them)

[north oracle]

wrathful

[novel belfry]

wait wat

[errant wren]

WotG? i like the part where they said "feel the wrath of the gods" then unleashed their wrath

[gritty plaza]

Wotg looks really cool

But also really really hard

[vague bramble]

I haven't done avatar of emptiness yet but last time I played both noxus and nameless were piss easy

[north oracle]

✨ difficulty is subjective ✨
also, #calamity-addon-talk this is the suggestions channel

[indigo yacht]

@balmy nacelle uhh that's not how you're supposed to use #suggestions-posting

actually you'd use this channel to comment on a suggestion

[balmy nacelle]

Oh my bad

So basically like this?

#suggestions-posting message
Exactly this idea, but the contact with water could be similar to how the slimy saddle mount floats on water

[errant wren]

something like that

more like

link the particular sugg, then just comment on it

people will probably understand what you're talking about

[grave zinc]

@novel belfry - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Hemogoblin Shark, Great Sand Shark, and the Reaper Shark drop Shark Fins]

It has been voted upon by the devs, and although it did not receieve enough positive votes to pass, the final results were very close.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[crude geode]

Huh

[prisma sedge]

I didn't realize that was an option

[frail fox]

Oh huh, so there’s an “it’s was close” indicator now? Or has that existed for awhile but never seen cause it’s just rare

[crude geode]

It wasn’t until this moment

Literally the first mention of this phrasing in this channel

[maiden quartz]

you might be able to say, a new response just dropped

[crude geode]

holy hell

[distant gyro]

good ol tie

[tough ledge]

wait what does THIS mean?

[errant wren]

it means i get to choose

[distant gyro]

figure it out

[distant gyro]

the answer is in this message

[grave zinc]

@clever canopy - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Increase the spawn rate of ??? after defeating the Aquatic Scourge]

It has been voted upon by the devs, and although it did not receieve enough positive votes to pass, the final results were very close.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@oblique elm - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Allow Nature's Gift and Jungle Rose to be turned into each other via shimmer.]

It has been voted upon by the devs, and although it did not receieve enough positive votes to pass, the final results were very close.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[distant gyro]

updates to the ones that never had it

[grave zinc]

@trail fiber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Put a reason for rogue class to do the old one's army and the moon events (frost and pumpking moon)]

It has been voted upon by the devs, and although it did not receieve enough positive votes to pass, the final results were very close.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@lavish condor - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Indicate that Expert is the intended Calamity experience on the world generation screen]

It has been voted upon by the devs, and although it did not receieve enough positive votes to pass, the final results were very close.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[maiden quartz]

I guess it means calling for a revote

[grave zinc]

@buoyant idol - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Do more with the fact Crabulon is a crab]

It has been voted upon by the devs, and although it did not receieve enough positive votes to pass, the final results were very close.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@random talon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Improve the Alternate Ways to Get the RoD]

It has been voted upon by the devs, and although it did not receieve enough positive votes to pass, the final results were very close.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[fleet grotto]

what is the point of this

like actually

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Buff Master Ninja Gear (and Its Upgrade Line)]

It has been voted upon by the devs, and although it did not receieve enough positive votes to pass, the final results were very close.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drifting socket]

it should drop 439 crab cakes

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add More Crafts from Ashes of Annihilation]

It has been voted upon by the devs, and although it did not receieve enough positive votes to pass, the final results were very close.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[maiden quartz]

🚬🐛

[drifting socket]

🎷🐛

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Buff Fearmonger Armor (in some way)]

It has been voted upon by the devs, and although it did not receieve enough positive votes to pass, the final results were very close.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[fleet grotto]

i feel like letting people know their suggestion Didn't Pass isn't really anything

[drifting socket]

I feel like it's a "try this one again" sorta indicator

[maiden quartz]

What if it’s calling for a revote

[grave zinc]

@raw crystal - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Cultists have the critter tag so you can use the Guide to Critter companionship on them]

It has been voted upon by the devs, and although it did not receieve enough positive votes to pass, the final results were very close.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[frail fox]

Insane suggestion

[grave zinc]

@idle plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Buff Shroomite Armor so its an actual upgrade from Chlorophyte]

It has been voted upon by the devs, and although it did not receieve enough positive votes to pass, the final results were very close.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[maiden quartz]

We’re sorting by controversial…

[fleet grotto]

it's like 3 years old okay...

[drifting socket]

Cute little critters

[grave zinc]

@dim crane - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make upgrade(s) to the Drill Containment Unit]

It has been voted upon by the devs, and although it did not receieve enough positive votes to pass, the final results were very close.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[frail fox]

I mean this technically passed by nerfing chloro

[distant gyro]

mass updates apologies for pings 2.5 years in time

[maiden quartz]

how calamitous

can the bot use @silent?

[frail fox]

Ruining someone’s day by pinging them

[maiden quartz]

you know how it is with some users

[distant gyro]

red number on my pristine screen

world ending

[trail fiber]

thanks

my suggestion recieved this emoji🔄 , what does it mean?

[frail fox]

Denied but the votes were close/tied

[distant gyro]

result of a tie/near tie

[trail fiber]

[drifting socket]

how many votes does a suggestion need to pass? 50%? 60? 75?

[distant gyro]

Two

in either direction

[drifting socket]

ahe

[errant wren]

as in

win by two votes?

[distant gyro]

so 7-5 or 5-7

[errant wren]

ah

[distant gyro]

5-5, 6-5, or 5-6 is 🔄

[errant wren]

i love the missing possibility of 6-6

[distant gyro]

5-5 was the baseline for the example silly

some of these can be just as low as 2-1

[idle dagger]

Has there been a suggestion with 1 vote

Like none of you guys liked the suggestion except 1 and it got voted positively

[errant wren]

has to win by 2

[idle dagger]

Oh right true

[errant wren]

from my understanding

so what happens if only 2 devs vote yes and none vote no

[distant gyro]

there is

[drifting socket]

it passes tha vote

I imagine

[distant gyro]

they have the same reaction

if literally no one voted you would get a 🔄

[idle dagger]

That’s

Really funny

[errant wren]

"it was really close!!"

[distant gyro]

that happens on the amusingly rare condition of "no dev cares in either direction of this suggestion so no one voted anything"

a collective neutral face if you will

[errant wren]

so the bare minimum amount of devs that have to like a sugg is just 2 more than the ones that don't

interesting

[distant gyro]

on this suggestion system that is

it also happens to not be the same on calart

(where you have to win with a 2+:1 winning ratio)

art subbers have to contend with getting a 10-5 rather than a 7-5

[north oracle]

There was one sitting on this that I pushed over when I joined lol

[prisma sedge]

That's honestly why I think using this as a prompt to call for another vote is a bit pointless, because like...when it comes to a channel that any of the thousands of users in this server can see, it makes sense to assume that if something didn't get a lot of votes, it could be because not as many people were online when it was posted, or it was overshadowed by other good suggestions

But when it comes to dev votes, I feel like it's a lot less likely that anything would change if you reworded the suggestion, posted it again, and managed to get it into the dev server again, because the devs who voted against it would probably vote against it again

[errant wren]

then we make a server poll

no

[north oracle]

If it's very close, then there's a reasonable chance a couple of devs didn't see it and could've swung it
Obviously that doesn't mean immediately repost it, but it does mean it's not universally hated just universally considered meh at worse

[prisma sedge]

Weelll- okay yeah, I can see that happening

[novel belfry]

Okay, my sugg was the first to a new response

YAY

[indigo yacht]

one thing i always wondered about was like

if the responses could have like a line from a dev explaining their decision (if they wanted to include one)

I'm not sure how feasible that would be, though, since there might be mixed sentiment or just different reasons why a suggestion is approved or disapproved, and also i can imagine for some of them the devs might not just want to indicate any which way in case it's controversial or something

[errant wren]

i mean, devs could just

say so here

if they wanted

besides i think that would lead to more work than is necessary for the bot

[indigo yacht]

I don't think I've ever seen one

[errant wren]

maybe they didn't wanted to

[indigo yacht]

they might just never think to do it

[stark locust]

#suggestions-voting message ehh i think a rework would be find however you mentioned the weapon loosing its identity, i feel like the mod as a whole is doing this, like the reworks are good and all but the weapons dont feel the same

The weapons are the biggest thing right now since literally every single weapon has been getting reworked

But the mod just doesn’t have the charm it used to have

[dense ravine]

meow

nostalgia bad

[drifting socket]

wrufff
nostalgia neutral

[drowsy plank]

me when the reworks rework the weapon

the old weapons sucked ass

why are we waxing nostalgic for ugly ass projectile spam

[stark locust]

I’m not saying the reworks are bad

Like they are all really good

[median scaffold]

roarr
nostalgia good

[frail fox]

Lucrecia Identity: somehow surviving the shortsword purge

[drowsy plank]

true

melee crystal vile shard when it

[oblique birch]

what does DNA theme has to do with iframe anyways

[drifting socket]

are spears just really big shortswords

[indigo yacht]

no spears are actually practical in organized combat

[crude geode]

spears are practical in being lame

[indigo yacht]

they are pretty lame too

[frail fox]

In a desert of usetype 1 broadsword, spears are an oasis

[crude geode]

spears are a drop of water

[indigo yacht]

personally

i prefer

mage

[drifting socket]

i have no class preference all terraria classes are epic

[median scaffold]

Except mage and ranger (to a lesser extent)

Jokes aside, something should be done with mana and mage wouldn't be a ranger clone

[indigo yacht]

ranger is just mage without magic cluele

[median scaffold]

true......

[drifting socket]

Yeah I hope Terraria 2 makes the classes a bit more distinct. I like how Thorium Ranger has a lot of Crit based effects for example

[median scaffold]

That could work, really

It also feels right for ranger (a class with guns of various sizes, specifically the slower ones) to be a class build around critical strikes

[drifting socket]

Yeah

Maybe the classes could be like

Burst Damage, Sustain, Defensive, Crit based, something like that idk

[median scaffold]

Burst damage is... mage?

[coral carbon]

Now please add the new 🔄 indicator to this pinned comment so people can know what it means

[median scaffold]

What

There's a new emoji?

[coral carbon]

Yeah

It means that the suggestion didn't pass, but was very close

Like, a tie or a near-tie

[median scaffold]

A weird one, for sure

But why you didn't just ping the person behind this post?

[coral carbon]

Example of bot's wording

[indigo yacht]

weak points........

[median scaffold]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465195069406707722/1341110533725622333/spr_wickerman_jumpscare_0.gif

Burn

[indigo yacht]

Boom. Headshot.

[coral carbon]

@unique vector edit your pinned message please to explain the new 🔄 reaction

[indigo yacht]

@ gay looks funnier than it needs to be

[stark locust]

I hope terraria 2 never starts development

It will just be like overwatch 2

But maybe somewhat decent

[novel belfry]

oright i can post a new sugg now

[drowsy plank]

why would terraria 2 be like overwatch 2

[stark locust]

They should prioritise terraria 1 and do a 2.0 update

[drowsy plank]

that's not possible

the engine is too old

[stark locust]

Dosent need to be made

[novel belfry]

if terraria 2 would be bad, that would just mean we could go back to terraria 1

[drowsy plank]

that's the entire point of terraria 2

[stark locust]

Yeah that’s like the only reason for it ig

[novel belfry]

i mean, thats whats happening with the KSP community

[drowsy plank]

that's a... pretty significant reason

like a not getting updates anymore type reason

[novel belfry]

since KSP2 got shot in a valley, might as well go back to the actually somewhat stable game instead

did i say shot in a valley lmao

anyways i digress

Buff or Rework the Flinx Fur Coat

Flinx Fur Coat is a lot harder to come by than the new summoner armor set introduced by Calamity, despite the former's intention of being "baby's first summoner armor." This, is a problem, since the Wulfrum Set happens to be in every other way, just better (and cooler, thanks to that snazzy set bonus) than the Flinx Fur Coat, despite being a lot easier to come by than the latter (which requires you to plumb the depths of the Snow Biome to hunt down a specific mob with really annoying spawn conditions). Logically, the Flinx Fur Coat should have something more to justify the player's time spent trying to craft it, whether this be a simple buff or adding a "set bonus"-esque extra ability or both.

[drifting socket]

Also I feel like T2 could innovate in ways that aren't possible with a new update

[novel belfry]

i'm just posting this here for now, should i instead bring this to #1178515062030348308 or nah

[median scaffold]

I think it should be probably buffed rather than reworked entirely, but you do you

[vestal crater]

Holy crap new no auric tier absorber pfp???

[median scaffold]

The WotG virus.......

[drifting socket]

woah! I cannot tell for the life of me what that is?

[vestal crater]

Neither can I

[median scaffold]

My pfp or...?

[vestal crater]

Ye

[median scaffold]

The dragon I've used for a while now :D

[vestal crater]

Oh I see it now

Just that it’s facing left

[indigo yacht]

consider: armor mixing

if you use platinum for example you get 10% move speed and an extra 6% damage, as well as 10 defense

with flinx fur that's 11% damage 10% movement speed +1 minion slots and 11 defense

[novel belfry]

thats pretty cool

[indigo yacht]

at a base, wulfrum armor is 3 defense, 5% dr, 5% movement speed, 10% damage, and 1 slot

with the ability (which will probably not be on permanently) you have -15% movement speed, 16 defense, and 10% dr

but also you can't use a whip

[novel belfry]

theres also the, admittedly shaky, but still probably important factor that the wulfrum ability is really cool and the flinx fur doesn't really have anything to compare

hell, any possible flinx fur rework would probably still not hold up to the wulfrum self-bonus

[oblique birch]

seems like a bandaid for an already bad and outclassed and forgotten armor

[indigo yacht]

i personally find the set bonus extraordinary obnoxious but i think that's just me

[oblique birch]

a buff would be nice

[indigo yacht]

...is flinx fur supposed to be bad and outclassed?

because it's kinda just better than wulfrum stat wise

[novel belfry]

its supposed to be bad and outclassed... by a post-queen bee armor set

[oblique birch]

most people got put off by it that's for sure

[novel belfry]

which notably is locked behind a boss

but calamity gives you another easier to get armor set

[oblique birch]

just because of how convenient and more interesting Wulfrum is

[indigo yacht]

do people just forget that obsidian outlaw exists

[novel belfry]

thats now post-evil boss iirc

[oblique birch]

it needs tissue sample

[indigo yacht]

i mean, yeah, wulfrum is generally easier to get since you just need to spend like ten minutes killing wulfrum enemies and you don't need to worry about mining and the underground ice biome (which by the way is really easy to get flinxes in, if you're struggling you're doing it wrong), but it is worse

[indigo yacht]

yeah but queen bee is pre skeletron

[indigo yacht]

you can even mix hellstone armor if you're weird, you get like idk 16 defense or something

if you want to make an argument about buffing flinx fur primarily because it takes more effort to get (or alternatively, nerfing wulfrum because do we really want to give more buffs to summoner) then i can support that

[novel belfry]

I mean, that's the basis of my suggestion kinda

but at that rate it'd be better off in #1178515062030348308

[indigo yacht]

the crux of it is that flinx fur is worse than wulfrum which is untrue

the rarity takes more of a side view (as an outside observer)

i prefer to be extra harsh for suggestions i agree with because I don't want there to be any issues (even minor ones) by the time it reaches voting

[rugged belfry]

Truee

[echo leaf]

👁️ 👁️

[median scaffold]

Well, they're somewhat right, but you can say the same about a lot of weapons just because Calamity added a shit ton of them with no actual gimmicks or whatever

[distant gyro]

im led to believe fur coat isnt supposed to be that rare its just that the flinx has an absurd spawning mechanic that makes it rare to spawn in the way you think it should

and apparently even impossible in the past

[indigo yacht]

if you go to the edge of the underground tundra (where only the background is ice and everything else is stone) they spawn quite commonly

[distant gyro]

YEP

[sand marlin]

It wasn't impossible in the past just extremely weird for no reason. Spawning on ore blocks

[distant gyro]

thats so silly

[indigo yacht]

it's always what i do and it takes like literally 2 minutes but I've never seen like anyone else do it

[distant gyro]

you just need to know the gimmick and its not rare

[sand marlin]

Last time I remember farming them was with journey mode so I can't say much tbh

[median scaffold]

Last time I remember farming them was... uhh, when was that

[drifting socket]

why the fuck

is that still a thing??? what the

[sand marlin]

No

[drifting socket]

huuhh???

[sand marlin]

I did say "in the past"

[indigo yacht]

they're no longer exclusive to ore blocks

[drifting socket]

ah fair

[median scaffold]

I've heard that they spawn more commonly on slush blocks for whatever reason

[drifting socket]

ahe

[gaunt needle]

"Change flinx spawning conditions" suggestion

[median scaffold]

That's a Vanilla thing to do, not Calamity

[glass arch]

iirc flinx spawn on any block except ice and snow
at least thats what i remember from when i last played summoner

[median scaffold]

Why??

[gilded citrus]

I think thats been changed? Though either way thats still fucked

[sand marlin]

Ice, Snow and Thin Ice blocks are just much lower rates for them

Though definitely not impossible

(So yes they were changed since then)

[tired haven]

Another way is to camp underground cabins or lay out a wooden floor yourself

[gritty plaza]

Config bloat my beloved

[indigo yacht]

the contact damage rework isn't qol, it's balancing

i see no reason why a config option for it needs to exist

might as well also add one for other vanilla balancing changes such as weapon buffs/nerfs and enemy stats atp

[median scaffold]

Wasn't that a suggestion?

[indigo yacht]

i speak rhetorically

[gritty plaza]

Also the contact damage change barely seems to matter

I'm sure it does but it sure feels like slimes are still hell on earth

[fleet grotto]

something tells me being able to stand inside of crabulon is a pretty big change

[gritty plaza]

wait you can do that?

[fleet grotto]

same logic as slimes only damages while jumping and falling

[indigo yacht]

all bosses also have changes

[steep patrol]

velocity based contact damage is great because when enemy (usually worm) have 0 velocity you can stand inside them

nice sugg

[vestal crater]

I don’t think you can do specific weapon suggestions?

I may be wrong

[ripe owl]

you are right

[steep patrol]

you arent wrong

also you can check the rule in pinned message in that channel

[ripe owl]

are you telling that to me?

[fleet grotto]

@winter pasture

[vestal crater]

I can’t currently cuz google docs is fucked up currently for some reason

[winter pasture]

Don't know how this works oh well

[steep patrol]

oh hi

no

[ripe owl]

beats you with rock

[winter pasture]

anyway back to only using the vc

[ripe owl]

there's literally a doc at the top of the channel

Calamity fans trying to read challenge

[vestal crater]

They really should add read pins in here

[ripe owl]

[vestal crater]

Suggestion-discussion-read-pins

[vestal crater]

Yah

[steep patrol]

sorry you gonna need more than that

[ripe owl]

"Calamity fans trying to read challenge" still would apply

[ripe owl]

people would still come and ask questions and leave suggestions that break rules

simply because

[winter pasture]

Just wanted to post a cool idea i had i didn't think that there would be rules about it because why would there be but honestly I'm just not gonna try that seems better

[steep patrol]

I never in my life heard of "healing comprehensive" before

[fleet grotto]

if you're going to make an item suggestion, there needs to be a reason why the item should exist
weapon suggestions aren't really necessary either, the devs already have weapons on the backburner and ideas already

[winter pasture]

i see so lategame yoyo because no lategame yoyo

[fleet grotto]

oracle

azathoth

[winter pasture]

it was a joke I'm aware of those it's just options are scares

scarce

[fleet grotto]

still same thing about what isaid regarding weapon suggestions

[steep patrol]

I actually want to make a sugg about making Golem body not invincible in phase 1 and 2 so you can dash trough properly buy i dont good with wording if anyone can please do it for me

[fleet grotto]

simple

remove contact damage from the body

[drowsy plank]

@safe pine that's not QoL and your suggestion doesnt have much explaining why the contact damage changes should be toggleable

[vestal crater]

Hello Cog

[drowsy plank]

it's just "for challenge runs" which isnt much of a justification

[safe pine]

yeah I figured it'd have issues, but figured I'd roll the dice and hope

should I drop it, then

[drowsy plank]

i mean it's currently flagged so unless you can come up with a complete rewrite that actually explains why the contact damage changes should be toggleable, it's already not going to make it into voting so...

[safe pine]

yeah it's neen removed then, I do have a comment on Giant Worms specifically but I'm gonna see if they get fixed in SSO before I post anything

[unborn stream]

why is the kelvin catalyst so stupid to obtain actually

[fleet grotto]

Didn't it used to be worse

[unborn stream]

like why is it not just dropped directly like all the other classes' weapons

[frail fox]

Donor

[unborn stream]

oh wait yeah just saw that

[frail fox]

Used to require like 2 frost flare, cryo stone, ice key, yeah

[unborn stream]

wild

[spice stream]

it was peam

[drowsy plank]

kelvin catalyst will be good Eventually