suggestions-discussion

[grave zinc]

@shell grotto - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Increase Laudanum's effect accessibility]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[royal tapir]

This thing is genuinely fucked, but I did make it remove immunities and added interactions with Bleeding and Distorted

Have fun !!!!!

[indigo yacht]

im gonna rework you

[frail fox]

Good luck

[indigo yacht]

Gpspider

[shell grotto]

wdym? like broken what?

[median scaffold]

I think it is broken as in won't function properly in the current Calamity environment

[indigo yacht]

bleeding? the debuff you can get by touching spikes? i foresee nothing bad happening regarding this development

definitely increasing accessibility

[frail fox]

Bleeding bonus: +1 regen

[median scaffold]

+2hp/s
Still prevents life regen

[indigo yacht]

🔥

this is the peak i expect from the calamity mod

[royal tapir]

Fucked as in, its effect sucks and it will almost certainly get reworked/axed at some point

[indigo yacht]

i heard that crown jewel is really good with the bleeding debuff

[median scaffold]

Crown Jewel is good on bosses with debuffs, yeah

[frail fox]

Laundanum to be replaced by Community tomorrow

[median scaffold]

Damn, useless

[indigo yacht]

harp in shambles

[median scaffold]

Someone uses harp as in #help-advice-read-pins, yoo

[novel belfry]

amazing

[shell grotto]

❤️

(Please don't remove laudanum, the concept is actually really good)

[frail fox]

The people yearn for more debuffs

[sand marlin]

You are the goat

[serene vapor]

I want to make a suggestion about removing astrum aureus enrage (only outside of the astral infection during the day is it enraged)

it’s a reconnaissance robot

it should theoretically be able to handle any terrain

And I don’t see how succumbing to the infection would make it feel negative towards sunlight

and it doesn’t make sense from a gameplay perspective either, because it either forces you to a relatively small area (vertically speaking) or forces you to wait until night

[median scaffold]

Astral Infection's day is almost the same as its night, iirc

[serene vapor]

yeah

which makes sense for Deus

He’s native to the infection

It makes sense for him to hate being outside of it

Aureus is a reconnaissance robot, and thus should be able to go anywhere without too much trouble, infection or not

[gilded citrus]

Nope

Deus is native to space

Its not native to the astral star

[sand marlin]

Cosmolight:

Aureus is not a vertical fight anyway

If you try going up too much you are probably gonna get punished by stomps

[mellow coral]

Why

This just forces you to make 2 terrablades

[dense ravine]

what

oh yea

i thought it was implemented

womp

[olive saddle]

its the vanilla sword

it uses only vanilla swords beacuse its the culmination of vanilla endgame

and it still holds up in calamity

[eternal moat]

is it still locked behind mega endgame

[olive saddle]

yea

[mellow coral]

Which is available… way after vanilla endgame

Whats the star vote requirement again

[eternal moat]

repulsive

why can't we just get a vanilla zenith and a calamity zenith with swapped sprites and bigger numbers

[sand marlin]

Because that sucks

It's after Yharon so you can actually use it on at least two bosses instead of none compared to vanilla

[olive saddle]

that fucking blows

[eternal moat]

we already have a bonus Last Prism that's essentially identical with bigger numbers

[sand marlin]

Not a valid reason regardless

[olive saddle]

thats a donor item

and i dont really like it either

its also slightly different enough to be its own thing

[eternal moat]

yeah so make the zenith 2 shoot out some extra junk or something, idc lol

[olive saddle]

zenith 2 should not exist

zenith is fine

[sand marlin]

Yeah and we're saying this is a terrible idea

[olive saddle]

zenith is also special and i think taking away from it is bad

that last prism item is a donor item and it was made way before calamity started caring about actual game development and stuff for the most part so it really doesnt count

if someone tried to get it added today itd probably act way differnetly

[eternal moat]

didn't they change or remove the majority of other bland reskin items? even if it's a donor item, it's kinda strange to just leave it as boring as it is

[olive saddle]

thats because the donor has control over it

i think

im not exactly sure how donor items work but i do know that they can request a rework i think(?)

they also cant exactly remove a donor item because someone fucking paid for it

[distant gyro]

funnily enough im pretty sure the other prism have smaller numbers

[dense ravine]

yea

[dense ravine]

this

need to get permission from donor

[distant gyro]

also they paid for the item however simple or sophisticated it is

marksman bow is gonna marksman bow whether you like it or not

[olive saddle]

marksman bow is fucking rad to be fair

i dont know why i like it so much its so fucking boring but its also so fun

[mellow coral]

So what about the zenith change?

[distant gyro]

i do think its kind of funny that someone just donated for

[olive saddle]

its not happening

[distant gyro]

"bow shoots 3 arrows"

[olive saddle]

zenith isnt a donor item but zenith is totally fine

it performs extremely well and already stands out enough

its recipe is fine, costing auric bars

[mellow coral]

Wdym

What has that in correlation with anything

[dense ravine]

it makes sense that it uses vanilla swords only

[olive saddle]

its the ultimate fuckin chad move where you pay $50 to add essentially a reskin of a wooden bow that shoots jesters arrows instead

[dense ravine]

as it is a culmination of vanilla

[olive saddle]

also theyd have to modify the zenith projectiles to include the sword they add

for consistencys sake

[distant gyro]

zenith uses those swords not because they contribute to the function of the weapon but because you literally throw a list of those swords out

this is not like a weapon line where it actually matters

would be lunatic if ark of the cosmos doesnt use ark of the elements

[olive saddle]

would also be dumb if the ark of the cosmos couldnt parry or had a different parrying animation

you got these awesome scissor blades but nope they just turn into idk

[distant gyro]

the bad reality where aotc actually throws swords too

[eternal moat]

is a donor weapon only $50?

[olive saddle]

was $50

you cant buy one anymore

[eternal moat]

yeah makes sense, mod's way too big nowadays

[distant gyro]

more likely $20 since it used to run at that cost and the items old

[eternal moat]

crazy

[mellow coral]

Hey guys

Should the elemental gauntlet and quiver be renamed/have a different flavor

[eternal moat]

why?

[mellow coral]

What always upset me is how they follow up with the elemental theming with the items you get after fighting moon lord

[gray bone]

Quiver is getting renamed already

[mellow coral]

While being post dog

[dense ravine]

cause all the elemental items have been renamed

[mellow coral]

Huh

[gray bone]

Planebreaker’s Pouch

[mellow coral]

Really

[eternal moat]

oh were they? crazy

[dense ravine]

oh yea

[mellow coral]

Elaborate, im curious

[gray bone]

Personally I like Elemental Gauntlet

It’s simple but it sounds rad

[dense ravine]

like they all got newest names

coming in

[mellow coral]

But it doesnt line up progression wise with the rest of the items

[mellow coral]

Are you gonna elaborate or

Are they not revealed yet

[dense ravine]

nah

they are

i dont know the names

just check spoiler doc

[mellow coral]

O thats a thing

Sick

[prisma sedge]

Soooo for the ones that I know have been revealed, there's:

Elemental Disk - Rebounding Rainbow
Elemental Lance - Vanishing Point
Elemental Ray - Nucleosynthesis
Augur of the Elements - Augur of the Void
Elemental Quiver - Planebreaker's Pouch
Elemental Shiv - Starburst Shiv
Elemental Eruption - Chromatic Eruption
Elemental Axe - Legion of Celestia

Considering the amount there, I'm guessing the rest will follow, but I'm not sure if there are any more yet

[olive saddle]

||isnt eruption becoming the fucking sawdisk launcher or am i thinking of soemthing else||

[sand marlin]

Elemental Blaster

[olive saddle]

thank you

good lord thers a lot of elemental stuff

[eternal moat]

no kidding

[prisma sedge]

Oh riiighhht
Funny enough, I had to do a double take when looking up Elemental Eruption's original name, since it and Elemental Blaster look kind of similar

[olive saddle]

its not my fault elemental blaster is so forgettable...

[prisma sedge]

Like, not that similar, but enough that I wasn't sure if the sprite I saw in the spoiler chart was a resprite

[olive saddle]

generic name generic function...

[prisma sedge]

Oh wait, right! Speaking of

Elemental Blaster - Superradiant Slaughterer

[dense ravine]

it's so cool now

[gray bone]

superradiant slaughterer and guidelight of oblivion are probably my two favourite weapon names

[dense ravine]

i like nucleosynthesis

and vanishing point

even if the former doesnt mean anything

[gray bone]

honestly i really like all of the elemental weapon renames

aside from maybe augur of the void
but i think it's getting resprited (?) which would remove my issue with it

[prisma sedge]

Honestly, I feel like "Elemental Axe" becoming "Legion of Celestia" might be the biggest upgrade
Or at least, second to Elemental Blaster's

...actually nah, it's gotta be the biggest, because at least "Elemental Blaster" can sound cool even if it's pretty boring when you realize all of the weapons in its tier have names like that, while "Elemental Axe" is so unassuming that I didn't realize it was supposed to be a weapon at first

[lucid marsh]

Elemental axe is lame as hell

You go from this awesome miniature version of the great jungle monster with several unique attacks, to a boring floating axe.

[frail mantle]

Slightly surprised was never changed to go into flowers of mortality or whatever its called tbh

[dense ravine]

my child

[frail mantle]

Plantation staff is my child

[mellow coral]

Cool

A little shame the theming as a whole is gone but these names are sick

[lucid marsh]

Plantation staff is awesome as I have said before

And there should be more super minions like that

Question: is the elemental set of weapons definitely all being kept?

Because having the main line of summon weapons represent major bosses is a neat theme, and if that is to happen, then the elemental axe could be replaced with a mini moon lord minion

That would be pretty great I think

I wish specific item suggestions were allowed

[prisma sedge]

So I looked into it a bit more, and...yeaahhh, it seems to be part of a bigger issue (in my opinion at least) where certain weapons will use two or more weaker weapons with various different functions, but not actually adapt the functions of any but one of them, basically just being a direct upgrade of that one

In this case, it seems like it's just a Terraprisma upgrade that also happens to have Plantation Staff in its recipe

[lucid marsh]

If you're going to do that, pick the coolest one!

I want to be able to do something about this

[prisma sedge]

There's still a chance that they could be reworking the weapon in the near future, so we'll see!

[lucid marsh]

Even a rework would be very lame. It's just a magic axe.

Oh wait they're all being renamed

[prisma sedge]

Fair enough, though I'm more sure that at least a decent chunk of the no-longer-elemental weapons will be getting redesigned, Elemental Axe is already guaranteed to be

[lucid marsh]

Hey wait, what if it was the four celestial pillars but miniaturized

That would still be elemental

[prisma sedge]

Also...huh, that could be pretty fun

Or maybe versions of the humanoid alien dudes all of them have

[lucid marsh]

Humanoid is a stretch

Well. For some of them

My point is that you can do way better than a boring floating weapon

Summons should be awesome looking creatures

[prisma sedge]

Fair enough either way, particularly with Calamity

[lucid marsh]

I hope a dev sees and considers this

[olive saddle]

they will look at this conversation and put it on a list of 900 other things they need to do

[frozen hornet]

Dreaded old elemental palette

[lucid marsh]

That's what the elemental set is

The root of it is still there

[frozen hornet]

You're still there

It would undermine the "unique colour scheme for each weapon" part of the designs imo

If one weapon has all 4 colours

[lucid marsh]

There's a unique color scheme for each weapon? Could have fooled me

[frozen hornet]

yea there's usually some different combination for each

They might look similar but they're still different enough

[lucid marsh]

I just checked

They all have identical color palettes

[drowsy plank]

they have a unique focus at least, i remember that

like one uses red as a primary color, another is green, etc.

this is for the resprites fyi

[frail mantle]

summon that cycles through summoning pillar minions that replicate the respective actual pillar's attacks could be neat

[crude geode]

Doesn’t a mage weapon do that with the ambient pillar effects

[frail mantle]

idk i don't play this game

[crude geode]

This game is like silksong, it doesn’t exist

[drowsy plank]

this discussion of plantation staff also reminded me of this;
#suggestions-discussion message

[frail mantle]

except terraria fans don't get activated like sleeper agents by a picture of a chocolate cake

[drowsy plank]

hope that's still happening

[frozen hornet]

Elemental ray

Or the new name nucleosynthesis

[crude geode]

Ye

Very neat weapon

[median scaffold]

I forgot

[dense ferry]

We don't have any plans of changing Elemental Axe btw

[sand marlin]

The 10 ft pole treatment

[dense ferry]

I do agree that the general line is in a weird spot because it goes from Night's Eye to Plantation Staff to Elemental Axe

Like, there is no connection between ANY of those

[worthy lintel]

the night eye grows in a plant that bears fruits shaped like an axe...

[sand marlin]

Suspiciously axe shaped plant

[errant wren]

can the axes at least be cool-looking

[sand marlin]

If you want to ask for resprites go convince some calart users instead

[dense ferry]

We plan on changing Night's Eye anyways to not even be Night themed but Axe will probably always be in a weird spot, specially because yeah I want to keep it as an axe

[errant wren]

[dense ferry]

I think it's cool and funny

[royal tapir]

Has to stay as an Axe because of GFB easter egg I fear

[errant wren]

gfb doesn't exist

[sand marlin]

🚲

[olive saddle]

Something I'm hoping for is for the axes to break any tree they come into contact with like the photon ripper if the cenaxe pet is equipped

[drowsy plank]

do you guys plan to change the recipe at least? i brought up that ancient suggestion i made and i feel like, at the least, that would probably help the lines feel a bit less off than they currently do

[dense ferry]

Those three sets are super fucking weird right now, I honestly have no idea how we're going to actually handle them

We want to more or less dismante the Night Set and just have weapons that are the "jumble of everything you've made"

And then possibly do the same thing with the Terra Set

But Elemental would remain the same

[drowsy plank]

i mean yeah that makes sense but that does sound like it would be a better time to actually make the recipe changes i suggested where ele axe is an upgrade from the actual blade summons you have, while plantation staff becomes part of a line that is actually about a multi-slot flower summon

[dense ferry]

The problem is that the "Terra" Set is meant to upgrade into the Elemental set later down the line, Ark is the only exception to this

[drowsy plank]

i dont see what the problem is, you still have the terra set upgrade into the elemental set, just the other elemental weapon instead

[dense ferry]

And even if you throw Terraprisma in the recipe, Plantation Staff still has to go somewhere, and I can say having a multi-slot flower summon conflicts with some plans we have

[drowsy plank]

we already have one???

[dense ferry]

It conflicts with plans, I would say more but I didn't make that stuff so I won't say any more

[sand marlin]

How old are these plans?

[glass arch]

multi slot flower has been around for

so long

[dense ferry]

They are recent

[glass arch]

i think its safe to say adding a new multi slot flower is a bad idea

but theres already one that fills that niche

[errant wren]

multi slot tree when it

[dense ferry]

Who said we are adding?

[errant wren]

i don't think that was said

[glass arch]

i mean

dont add a new one just make plantation staff part of flowers of mortality

[dense ferry]

Look, I'm just gonna say, we plan to rework the Flowers of Mortality line and there is not space to add Plantation Staff

[glass arch]

or just make it not upgrade into anything thta works too

[dense ferry]

Flowers of Mortality upgrades from Wither Blossom Staff which is Post PBG, having the line go Post 1 Mech > Post Plantera > Post PBG is just really awkward

Also Plantation Staff would need to be reworked again to fit the general thing the line is going for

[glass arch]

actually even better idea remove plantation staff

[dense ferry]

Ah yes so the only option for an easy Summoner weapon players have after Plantera is fucking Tiki Staff

[errant wren]

then make plantation staff buff tiki staff, obviously

[dense ferry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/704694434964439071/1284577245796634675/cat_gets_splash_stupid_idot.gif

[errant wren]

i thought of something but it would add to the problems with summoner balancing

so i'll keep it to myself

[sand marlin]

Remember Deadly Sphere Staff too

[glass arch]

sand shark staff

[dense ferry]

Sand Shark Staff is not an easy option

[sand marlin]

Byeah ideally Pygmy Staff would be buffed to be on par for calamity content (even if it's major ass in every way concerning vanilla) but I get it if you don't wanna bother at all

[dense ferry]

You need to kil GSS for it

[errant wren]

deadly sphere and sand shark staff don't exi

[dense ferry]

When I mean "easy" I mean something you can get right after beating Plantera

[glass arch]

gss is ridiculously easy to kill

[dense ferry]

And that's not even saying there would be a gap

The "Terra" Set just wouldn't have a Summoner weapon

Even if we plan on not making them be just "Terra Blade but other Class" those will still be a Set with a general theme

[glass arch]

fuck the terra set

[sand marlin]

Perennial could definitely use some of that attention

[drowsy plank]

my thought was;

blade staff + igneous > new terra blade summon + terraprisma > elemental axe > virid vanguard

eye of night > plantation staff + wither blossoms > flowers of mortality

so the wither blossoms is more like how elemental lance is terra lance + north pole, flowers would be plantation staff + wither blossoms, or if you really wanted you could just make plantation staff a plantera drop, not include it in the line, and just let eye of night be its own thing and let these lines handle the rest, since with the new recipe, you wouldn't really need eye of night to upgrade into anything anymore

cause like you said, it's not like it'd be a bad thing if post-Plantera had more summoner options

lol now im imagining an eye of night line that works like deathstare staff and you could upgrade it post-ML into phantasmal eyes

that sounds fun

[sand marlin]

That does sound pretty nice

[errant wren]

stupid idea but i personally think that an upgrade "shop" where you can exchange an item and like 500 platinum coins for an identical item with +1 knockback would be funny

[sand marlin]

Why not just make it a permanent powerup

[errant wren]

nah

[drowsy plank]

eye of night shadow chest drop bc summon has no shadow chest weapons that summons up to two eyes on either side of you that combines with deathstare rod post-ML so you can get all 3 and they turn the phantasmal eye colors
https://tenor.com/view/limbus-company-gif-18415948785548327077

[errant wren]

we need a coin dump

[drowsy plank]

okay enough SIS-ing in here for me

[drowsy plank]

this sounds like something that would be in CCR

[sand marlin]

Make it a continuous powerup

[errant wren]

[drowsy plank]

life fruit but for knockback

[sand marlin]

Exactly

[errant wren]

titan fruit

[drowsy plank]

peak

[errant wren]

shimmer upgrade to titan fruit that makes bosses vulnerable to knockback

[drowsy plank]

PFFT

we're cooking to hard this is gonna get burnt

[errant wren]

cog this was supposed to be a cold dish it was burnt from the moment we started

[drowsy plank]

true

[errant wren]

devs, consider my proposal

[gritty plaza]

ok hear me out

throw the rock into shimmer

permanent powerup

tooltip says it does "great and mysterious things"

it actually resprites everything to be 1% more red

[echo leaf]

repeatable infinitely

[gritty plaza]

once everything is (255, blue, green) it starts reducing the blue and green amount

eventually you have nothing but crimson silhouettes

[echo leaf]

Add a blue and green variant. Then at the end, the world is nothing but pure, sinless radiance…

[drowsy plank]

this shit fire 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 someone come put it out

[gritty plaza]

THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE S- gets stabbed by a bug

[echo leaf]

REAL

[unborn stream]

the light....

[gritty plaza]

myla no!

[errant wren]

if you get enough rocks legitimately you get a copy of silksong

[median scaffold]

The sun is leaking.

[dense ravine]

gloopy

[gritty plaza]

Is that a reference? That sounds like a reference...

[median scaffold]

(Yes)

[gritty plaza]

To what?

[spice stream]

chicken little

[gritty plaza]

ah

never watched it

[median scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcvsbZ18izA

[gritty plaza]

Wait so it's not a chicken little reference?

[median scaffold]

Nope

[gritty plaza]

Damn

It's a kinda raw line tho

[errant wren]

you were thinking "the sky is falling" or however the line goes

[spice stream]

nah i just told them it was a chicken little reference my b

[gritty plaza]

jesus just watched the vid

the sun do indeed be leaking

[indigo yacht]

@jolly stream what

[jolly stream]

?

[indigo yacht]

that's not a suggestion

[jolly stream]

yea i mean

make it not a true melee weapon

is my suggestion

[tardy geyser]

Theyre asking why ultimus cleaver does true melee damage, even though it shoots sparks. Byeah not formated like a suggestion

[jolly stream]

yea but u get what i mean

😢

[jolly stream]

Thank you

[hollow shell]

@jolly stream Already fixed in the upcoming update I believe

Yeah #suggestions-discussion message

[echo leaf]

I think Inferna Cutter is also getting fixed

[jolly stream]

Nice

[stark locust]

so true, add this right now

[serene vapor]

no we should add potato instead

[maiden quartz]

Fixed next update!

[errant wren]

#suggestions-posting message ok so

@drifting socket your sugg is way over the character limit

and uh

[median scaffold]

Make the sounds yourself!

[errant wren]

i think you also just made it longer

[gray bone]

1272 characters

[drifting socket]

I am aware and trying to rectify that

ok how many over the limit is it now

[median scaffold]

1000 (excluding the title)

[gray bone]

13

characters over the limit

[drifting socket]

Also here's a list of what's missing what

Additional tooltips: Mana Upgrades, Rage Upgrades, Adrenaline Upgrades.

Reuse Messages: Rage Upgrades, Adrenaline Upgrades, Celestial Onion

Distinct SFX: Rage Upgrades, Adrenaline Upgrades, Celestial Onion

I cut that out from the suggestion

[errant wren]

that example at the end could be cut off probably

or at least shortened

[indigo yacht]

reuse messages is kind of arbitrary because afaik no vanilla upgrades have one

demon heart doesn't

[drifting socket]

I see your point

but: I liek them :>

ok how is it still over the limit I cut out way more than 13 characters

[indigo yacht]

anyways i would go with the consistency route (focusing on the fact that missing stuff means that there's inconsistency across upgrade lines) instead of talking about making it feel like more of an accomplishment, because make that's just me, but it doesn't

[errant wren]

it takes some time to update

[indigo yacht]

takes a minute to update

[drifting socket]

oh okaye

[errant wren]

and also i think someone else reacted on it let me check

yeah some random user hit the thing but it'll be fine i think

[drifting socket]

very fair point about the consistency, thank you 👍

[fleet grotto]

i think this name is way too

long

[drifting socket]

made it a bit more concise, thank you

FUCK IT'S OVER THE CHARACTER LIMIT AGAIN

is it still over the limit?

[fleet grotto]

"Add special sfx and vfx to permanent upgrades without them"

[drifting socket]

do upgrades have unique vfx?

[errant wren]

i mean i did mention possibly shortening the example at the end

[drifting socket]

Yeah that's up there in the chopping block

[errant wren]

even cutting it down to "(blood orange thickening one's blood, for instance)" is pretty good

[drifting socket]

yeah

Is it currently over the limit through, I know it takes a second to chaneg

[drifting socket]

👍

[drowsy plank]

wild

[drifting socket]

west

[errant wren]

wild west? i like the saloons

[glass arch]

@inland saddle i may be incorrect but sugg bot seems to be down

[drifting socket]

what makes you say that?

[errant wren]

sorry i might've eated the bot

[indigo yacht]

i mean you could send a message in suggestions-posting and see if it gets flagged

[glass arch]

no im pretty sure a bot isnt functioning if its offline

[errant wren]

i volunteer elsi to send a message in #suggestions-posting to see if sugg bot is down

[indigo yacht]

[errant wren]

thank you for your sacrifice

it will be in vain

[indigo yacht]

as it ought

[novel belfry]

EYYYYYYYYYYYY

[indigo yacht]

oh it is alive

[errant wren]

oh it wasn't in vain

[indigo yacht]

cant believe you would doubt suggestions bot like this

[gritty plaza]

can't believe you would post a bad suggestion like this elsi

truly disappointing

[indigo yacht]

do you want to see an actually bad suggestion

[golden sonnet]

I'll ban them don't worry

[indigo yacht]

💔

[gritty plaza]

yes

[errant wren]

what do you mean that was a peak sugg

[gritty plaza]

oh god this is going to be quite something isn't it

[indigo yacht]

Remove the martian invasion and make the items obtainable via fishing

Nobody likes this stupid event. It's long, slow, painful, and kills you in like 3 hits for some reason. The enemies sound annoying, act annoying, and are annoying. One of them called my dog an idiot. Only I get to do that

Because the event sucks, it should be completely removed, and all the enemies should just be deleted from the game. However, as the items are kind of good, they should all be obtainable via fishing with a reinforced fishing pole using special worms called mars worms that you get from crafting throwing bricks and worms together at an ancient manipulator in the sky layer. All the martian saucer drops should be extremely rare, and everything else should be plentiful because fuck you.

Also, DoG should be able to spawn randomly and without warning at any point during the game.

[gritty plaza]

far too well formatted

3/10

[indigo yacht]

cant handle peak

[gray bone]

not enough typos

[gritty plaza]

one sec lemme have a go

[indigo yacht]

I'm going to make a mod to specifically do this

[errant wren]

shit sugg, too good in every other regard

[indigo yacht]

when the mars worms conquer this world none of you will be spared

[gray bone]

i'll just feed them to mars fishrons

[gritty plaza]

you should add a crafting recipe for the roc because when i do the boss rush it's too hard because you can't beat the boss rush with a lawnmower because i want to do a challenge run so you should add a recipe for the rock it is 1346 obsidian and 5312 bones and 895674 stone and one of every soul and also add ocram back so you can get the soul of blight

i apologise for spelling correctly, it's just instinct

[indigo yacht]

the numbers leech authenticity

[gritty plaza]

wait one sec

there we go much better

[gray bone]

895674 stone

[gritty plaza]

can i make it worse or is it perfect?

[indigo yacht]

you don't have any bullshit reasoning

[gritty plaza]

ig i can spell worse but i don't know how to do that authentically

[gritty plaza]

i do too

boss rush too hard cause challenge run

[indigo yacht]

And one of every soul. However, as that would be an odd number of souls, Ocram and souls of blight should be reimplemented so that it can be an even number again.

[gritty plaza]

i said that

[indigo yacht]

nuh uh

[gritty plaza]

man reading comprehension be like tumblr round here /j

[indigo yacht]

there's no reason behind why ocram should be added

you need a dumb one

[gritty plaza]

oh i see

um

add ocram back because he's sexy

[indigo yacht]

that would also be sufficient so long as you dropped it in as a one-off

[errant wren]

add a new sword called the ark of glaxies basicalyl it shoots ot a bunch of sars and does infite damag to all boss and it wouud be made with zenith and calamity bars which would be dropped by a new boss called yharim's son and also readd all of the old items and add my cat her name is sugar sorry for bad english i live in the united states

[indigo yacht]

you're so real for that last line

[errant wren]

last line? it was one sentence

[gritty plaza]

srory for bad englshi i teach it at arvrd uni i got my dgree from deepseek

[indigo yacht]

line =/= sentence

[errant wren]

fair

[fleet grotto]

final line

[indigo yacht]

babe your font is fucked

[errant wren]

no no

they're right

[gritty plaza]

you're both wrong

[errant wren]

anyways i don't actually have a cat i just made that up on the- what the fuck is your font 💀

[gritty plaza]

what's wrong with it?

[errant wren]

no i'm just so confused

is that uhh

what is that, georgia?

times new roman?

[gray bone]

discord with a serif font boggles my mind

[gritty plaza]

serifs are good

[errant wren]

serifs are nice

can't really go wrong with them

[gray bone]

i don't mind serifs (although i do prefer sans serif, usually) but still

rare for discord

[gritty plaza]

https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Bitter it's this font if you're interested

[errant wren]

erm

ip grabber

[drifting socket]

what the fuck

actually moreso how the fuck

[gritty plaza]

betterdiscord (please don't ban me)

[gritty plaza]

?

[drifting socket]

ah

how the hell would that be bannable?

[errant wren]

i should clarify that that was a joke

[fleet grotto]

against discord tos to have modded discord iirc

[gritty plaza]

in a strict sense

they don't enforce it unless you use plugins to properly break the tos

which i do not

[errant wren]

it's like uh

[fleet grotto]

ive seen a lot of people who use... what's that one called... vencord?

[errant wren]

like changing the font is such a small thing

[gritty plaza]

the main things i use are charactercounter, split long messages, and doubleclick to edit

the first especially i think it's weird it's not in vanilla discord

[inland saddle]

That is so weird lmao

It’s possible your client just didn’t realize the bot was online

Or it’s possible discord was just having an aneurism (common occurrence)

Functioning platform

[rugged belfry]

Genuinely unusable website

[olive saddle]

the mobile app is unusable

its not even funny how much the client on mobile bugs out

there was a period of like

3 days

where discord would crash on launch

so i had to brute force open it for like 2 minutes

it would open and crash thrice in like two seconds

its so fucking funny how dogshit this app is

[indigo yacht]

mine still does that occasionally if I decide to do too much at once such as:
-play a video

[fleet grotto]

forum channels often just getting you stuck inside of them

[unborn stream]

reading rules/guidelines challenge level impossible

[indigo yacht]

what problem is this supposed to be solving

[unborn stream]

apparently... you don't have to get close as summoner? huh, if only there was a summoner weapon type designed specifically to reward close-up play

[pliant fiber]

is my idea buns?

[indigo yacht]

still waiting for rhe summon damage penalty to be removed

[whole tundra]

We're getting sued by the creators of Bayonetta if we do that suggestion

[umbral gazelle]

no but this is not where it goes

[pliant fiber]

wym

[indigo yacht]

please read the suggestions document

[drowsy plank]

WHITEBOARD BLAST!!!!!!!

[vague bramble]

hello cog

[drowsy plank]

hi

[indigo yacht]

me and my nuclear .50 cal + mirror and mechworm

[umbral gazelle]

suggestion are for uhm, i dont know how to explain so the suggestion document may have answer, its pinned in this channel

[indigo yacht]

whens it happening

[drowsy plank]

anyway people already said read the rules so yeah read the rules

anyway is this

[indigo yacht]

for solving problems

[drowsy plank]

not literally just whips

[indigo yacht]

this suggestion doesn't solve a problem

[umbral gazelle]

oh

[drowsy plank]

wow a summon attack you can only do while up close

[pliant fiber]

i just read/scanned it, im not breakibng any rules i think

[drowsy plank]

you are

[pliant fiber]

what rule

i gave amn idea for some weapomns is that not allowed

[unborn stream]

thing is "read/scanned" is not the most reliable method of obtaining information

[whole tundra]

Overly complex ideas

[drowsy plank]

yes actually

[unborn stream]

you gotta like. read read it

[drowsy plank]

that isnt allowed

[indigo yacht]

"it would be cool" is unfortunately not a reason

[drowsy plank]

very true

and again, even ignoring EVERYTHING else

this is just whips 2

it's a summon attack you need to be close to do by your own admittance

that's just a whip

[umbral gazelle]

even with the reason included this one would fall into specific item suggestion content iirc

[neat linden]

no reasoning, too broadly scoped, not even formatted properly

[indigo yacht]

well considering how amazingly whips 1 went!!!!!

[grave zinc]

@unborn stream - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Wulfrum Drones and Hovercraft able to see through tiles]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

LMAO

nice!

[grave zinc]

@tardy geyser - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework or remove Void of calamity]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@unborn stream - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Armor Set Bonuses visible without needing to equip the full set]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@kindred creek - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add another obtainment method for the Murasama once it's been found]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[neat linden]

the flood

[unborn stream]

lol ty bot

[drowsy plank]

huh no mura reobtainable

weird but whatever i guess

[whole tundra]

[neat linden]

:(

[unborn stream]

they're removing it entirely next update clearly

[pliant fiber]

they are good idea

[drowsy plank]

LOL

i cant believe mura was found dead in miami

[vague bramble]

Are they though

[indigo yacht]

"broadly scoped" is a moot point, you're not really supposed to be provided specific details, although if you meant it in the sense of "what do they even do" then fair

[drowsy plank]

anyway they def arent i know for a fact bc of DevPlans.jpeg

[indigo yacht]

yayyyyyy screw you void of calamity

[neat linden]

I mean they're suggesting an entire damn weapon category

[indigo yacht]

not really

there are already summon weapons that are active and not whips and not minions

like that one scal... i think it's an exhumed item

[drowsy plank]

this is honestly really weird because even if they weren't requiring you to get close this is just the already existing active summon weapons like puppet slime and borealis bomber then

[whole tundra]

Cinders of Lament

[indigo yacht]

yeah

[whole tundra]

Which is yeah, unique

[indigo yacht]

and the ones cog mentioned

[drowsy plank]

tfw trying to fix a problem that calamity already fixed

[unborn stream]

anyway as i was saying
my idea of a better summoner is making summons not last forever, instead despawning after some time (depending on the weapon), and having the summon weapons themselves have very long use times and/or very high mana costs. that way when playing summoner the main thing you're doing is actually summoning
(this is probably not a good idea)

[pliant fiber]

its just a bare bones concept more work is required to acc make it decent

[drowsy plank]

the idea is something calamity already does fine

there's no reason to do... whatever this is

[indigo yacht]

i agree it probably isn't a good idea /j

[drowsy plank]

ignoring the lack of reasoning alongside it

[pliant fiber]

i justn thini=k its a cool concept

[vague bramble]

Cool isnt a good reason

[indigo yacht]

the problem is that this isn't the place to put cool concepts

[drowsy plank]

okay, well, you could probably try programming it yourself
doesnt seem that bad tbh

[pliant fiber]

ima try that and ill post again

need to find a pixel art program

[vague bramble]

asesprite

[unborn stream]

uhhhh I'm confused

[drowsy plank]

you dont
you dont need to post it again that would still be against the rules im just saying you can just do ur own mod for this

[indigo yacht]

if you're still recommending crucibles it will most likely be shot down again

[dense ravine]

waow

[drowsy plank]

i am just telling u to make ur own mod if ur so sold on this crucible idea bc this is not something calamity needs because, again, IT ALREADY HAS THEM

[dense ravine]

crucible like crucible of the cosmos

[drowsy plank]

🤯

[indigo yacht]

nonono crucible like doom eternal

[vague bramble]

🤯

[gaunt needle]

isn't crucible from that magic minecraft mod

[drowsy plank]

crucible like the thing u use for cookign.,..,.,.

[gaunt needle]

where you brew shit

[neat linden]

we need a weapon that is that

[whole tundra]

We also already ahve the Crucible

[neat linden]

but isn't shit

[pliant fiber]

what items/

[whole tundra]

It is getting removed

[vague bramble]

crucible like the ddestiny pvp mode

[drowsy plank]

[dense ravine]

☹️

[neat linden]

Yeah we need a doom crucible that doesn't kill your hands

[vague bramble]

thats my reaction to the mode aswell

[whole tundra]

iirc Rebecca told me that Phaseslayer's getting removed soon

[drowsy plank]

Slime Puppet Staff, Borealis Bomber, Cinders of Lament, Universe Splitter

im probably forgetting some

[pliant fiber]

one sec

[whole tundra]

#calamity-update-talk message

[drowsy plank]

new incarnation

makes sense

another one of those "removed" weapons that randomly springs up again 3 updates later under a completely new name and identity lmao

[indigo yacht]

they should remove it then readd it with absolutely no changes besides the name

[drowsy plank]

[indigo yacht]

actually no don't change the name either

its just the same fucking weapon

[drowsy plank]

make the name all lowercase

[indigo yacht]

true...

[dense ravine]

they should make a summoner weapon

that blows up ur keyboard

[glass arch]

they should remove summoner

[vague bramble]

so true!

[neat linden]

they should add a summoner weapon that summons summoners that summon summons

[drowsy plank]

average fargos active summon

(the joke is they make ur minions explode)

[vague bramble]

thug shaker summon

[indigo yacht]

👎

[drowsy plank]

[pliant fiber]

i just watched a showcase for every weapon for summoner and my idea isnt shown

[dense ravine]

based

[pliant fiber]

am i missing a weapon or smth

[indigo yacht]

you're missing something

[unborn stream]

they should add a summoner weapon that summons a cute little bird that sits in a nest on your head when it's not attacking enemies

[drowsy plank]

your idea is just summon weapons that aren't summons

[dense ravine]

those exist already

[pliant fiber]

they are summoned, how is that not a summon

[drowsy plank]

that is what it says it says you summon projectiles when ur close to enemies

[indigo yacht]

terrible idea never ideate again

[dense ravine]

like 5 weapons dont actually create typical summons

[unborn stream]

okay but what if it's super rare in living tree chests

[idle dagger]

Hello discussion suggestions

[drowsy plank]

hi

[vague bramble]

hello fella

[unborn stream]

(and every whip)

[indigo yacht]

hmmmmmmm ok hearing you out

[dense ravine]

why am i here

im never here

[pliant fiber]

ik but they dont work like my idea

[indigo yacht]

hi yolk

[drowsy plank]

im gonna be honest i dont understand what your idea is @pliant fiber

[glass arch]

the voices

[dense ravine]

mmm

true

[drowsy plank]

also, again, you just

[unborn stream]

and you get one for free when you make a journey mode character

[drowsy plank]

are not listening to anything anyone has said

[pliant fiber]

it is only a bare bones idea it needs more development and acctual sprites

[glass arch]

incorrect journey mode doesnt exist

[drowsy plank]

stop cooking!!!!!!!!! the kitchen burnt down hours ago!!!!!!!!!!!

[unborn stream]

oh no I'm disappearing

[indigo yacht]

The point isn't execution, it's role
the role your item would presumably fill is already filled, so it has no reason to exist

[dense ravine]

journi mode is peak

[pliant fiber]

by what im so confused?

[indigo yacht]

whips and non traditional summon weapons

[vague bramble]

is this bait

[dense ravine]

whips

[indigo yacht]

you want close range, they do that

[drowsy plank]

your idea, to my understanding, is literally just active summons. how is this any different than the weapons i sent you. yes it isn't EXACTLY the fist you drew but conceptually, what is different

[vestal crater]

How is this the most active chat

Hello Cog

[dense ravine]

we are malding

[drowsy plank]

hi

when is this chat not

[glass arch]

discussion of suggestion

[vestal crater]

I don’t know the meaning of that

[idle dagger]

People like to suggest things and people like to talk about suggestions

[vestal crater]

One second

[vague bramble]

this is funny asf to watch

[drifting socket]

the wonders of an argument on the Internet

[drowsy plank]

mad + balding

[dense ravine]

worse then cmt

[drowsy plank]

TRUE

[indigo yacht]

🔥

[vestal crater]

Ok then 😭

[pliant fiber]

ill just work on the idea more

[idle dagger]

Wait that’s what malding means??

[drowsy plank]

why

yes

[vague bramble]

you're idea wont get implemented doe

[dense ravine]

just create an addon mod

or smth

[vague bramble]

just make your own mod

[dense ravine]

!!

[drowsy plank]

TRUE

[indigo yacht]

^^^^^^^

[vestal crater]

Yeah

[glass arch]

ye

[drowsy plank]

i said this 20 minutes ago!!!!

[vestal crater]

Better summoner or whatever the name is does it

[dense ravine]

broken record ahh

[drifting socket]

what if you could also get it by shimmering a living wood wand

[drowsy plank]

dies

[indigo yacht]

try using duct tape

[vestal crater]

With the squires

I love the little guys

[unborn stream]

isn't that just living leaf wand

holy wait

[idle dagger]

idea aside isn’t this an SIS

[unborn stream]

building wands as summon weapons

[vestal crater]

SIS?

[drowsy plank]

yeah and also no reasoning

but we already pointed that out

specific item suggestion

[vestal crater]

Ah

[indigo yacht]

if it wasn't so vague it would be

[drifting socket]

ice wand

[drowsy plank]

rn it's honestly just kinda... nothing?? like it does not convey whatever the grand idea this person was having at all bc this somehow isnt like any of the active weapons that already exist

[unborn stream]

i keep having mod ideas but i don't have the attention span to learn modding

so y'know what i do?

[drowsy plank]

get a better attention span

[unborn stream]

i accept it and have fun with the ideas in my head

[unborn stream]

i need drugs for that

[drowsy plank]

i dont see what the problem is then-

fjekdnfjfjrjf

[indigo yacht]

see what i do is i just try to befriend people who are way smarter than i am and then i bother them with basic coding questions

[unborn stream]

they should add drugs to calamity mod

oh wait

[drowsy plank]

stress pills........

[glass arch]

get hired by calamity and become ideasguy

[unborn stream]

real

[glass arch]

[[Odd Mushroom]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Odd_Mushroom

[vestal crater]

Is planty mush walls another eutrophic glass walls situation

[indigo yacht]

can we murder odd mushroom pls and thank

[drowsy plank]

im unsure actually

[distant gyro]

and then the idea sits for 5 years. perfect!

[drowsy plank]

are there planty mush walls in the abyss? i forget what that layer looks like

[unborn stream]

-# i wish i could react to messages because replying "real" feels more spammy than a single emoji reaction

[vestal crater]

No it’s just blocks

[pliant fiber]

is there a pixel art program for free?

[drowsy plank]

hm

[idle dagger]

Alright that was a fun visit to suggestions discussion
I’m sick with a cold so I’m going to go back to resting now
I’ll repost and old suggestion when I get better
Bye bye

[vestal crater]

And it doesn’t exist from the small amount of research

[vestal crater]

Goodbye have a nice rest

[unborn stream]

aseprite is open source

[vestal crater]

Or whatever you’ll do

[indigo yacht]

eutrophic glass walls dont exist because they need like actually 80 different sprites and nobody has tried to do that yet

[drowsy plank]

ms paint, piskel, idk prolly more

[idle dagger]

Thanks

[vestal crater]

I just mean like it’s too complicated for walls

[glass arch]

yeah you can compile aseprite for free, you just cant distribute it iirc

[drowsy plank]

honestly i think they might already be done i dont remember

[vestal crater]

For lanther mush

Planty mush*

[drifting socket]

who up aseing they sprite

[indigo yacht]

idk i remember a suggestion for that recently... although my temporal memory is utterly ruined so who knows

[royal tapir]

Eutrophic Glass Walls are not finished

[pliant fiber]

its like 20 bucks

[drowsy plank]

wait wtf aesprite is open source

in stupid appearntly

need to get that later

[dense ravine]

a sprite

[vestal crater]

Should I make a suggestion for planty mush walls?

[glass arch]

the tilesheet for eutrophic glass is fucking horrific

[drowsy plank]

ive been out here using piskel like a fool

[unborn stream]

yes but all of the code for aseprite is available for free

[dense ravine]

blunder

[drowsy plank]

honestly maybe bc i doubt that is something the devs are thinking about rn

[pliant fiber]

so if i download the code or smth i basically get it for free, idk how it works

[distant gyro]

piskel works at a basic level i guess

[drowsy plank]

i dont see much of a point for them personally so i spose that could be valid bc i would not think of them

[glass arch]

fastest way to become ⭐
block or wall suggestion

[vestal crater]

Ok I’ll try to come up with a pitch and I’ll post it here

[drifting socket]

i should install asesprite and make a ravager redesign

[indigo yacht]

they should add my martian invasion suggestion tbh

it solves no problems and actively makes the game worse

its perfect

[drifting socket]

it should look like that one guy from nightmare before Christmas

[drowsy plank]

when u figure out how to compile a program you'll be one step closer to just making ur own mod ez

[drifting socket]

[unborn stream]

i keep thinking "oh I'll make some sprites for some of these missing blocks (like wulfrum plating platforms)" and then i realize oh wait there's a lot more than just one 16x16 sprite that goes into a block

[indigo yacht]

tbf tModLoader is really easy to code in

[indigo yacht]

torment

[drowsy plank]

the blenderrrrrrrr

block blending is so awesome and i love spriting for it smile

[indigo yacht]

they should have made a way to automate that

[drowsy plank]

ture

[indigo yacht]

unsure why they didn't

[drowsy plank]

@ doze program for this when- /j

[drifting socket]

it's surprisingly easy to hack your 3DS code your tmodloader

who up coding they tmodloader

[unborn stream]

3ds* :p

[drifting socket]

fuck

[indigo yacht]

maybe I'm uninformed but like... just make a sprite to act as blending then copy and rotate it wherever, or something like that

[unborn stream]

(source i have done it twice)

[vestal crater]

Add planty mush walls

Planty mush is a block found in the abyss and I believe it should have a wall counterpart

While a lot of blocks does have a wall counterpart, planty mush does not, even though it is a very pretty block and quite versatile for building, such as for trees and other nature stuff

Is this good

Or nah

[drowsy plank]

that seems fine

average sprite suggestion

[indigo yacht]

well damn now i want to look into this more

[drowsy plank]

literally cannot have any realistic reasoning bc it's a completely aesthetic issue

[vestal crater]

Yeah

[indigo yacht]

i mean, the reasoning is that it's useful for builders

shame that nobody cares about them x

[drowsy plank]

so would a million other unsprited blocks, or someone could just say to paint another block

there just isnt really a solid argument for or against any block

it's the only type of sugg that is truly just a popularity contest

[vestal crater]

As a builder I do

Cuz I’m a selfish bastard

[drowsy plank]

the only way to make a sprite sugg better is to just... make the sprite

[vestal crater]

😈

[drowsy plank]

but at that point u could just submit it in calart

[vestal crater]

:bwaa:

[indigo yacht]

i meant "nobody cares about builders" hon

[drowsy plank]

so trueeeeeee

very sad 😔

[vestal crater]

I don’t get it but ok

[drowsy plank]

starlight river does at least

i love SLR's building accessories

they're very fun

calamity needs more of those

[vague bramble]

what does slr add in terms of builder accessories

[drowsy plank]

instead we just get... toolbox in mechanic's shed ig
lmao

i think there are some that add like doubled block reach but halved building/breaking speed when utilizing it outside of ur normal range

that one is very useful for early game building

[vestal crater]

Didn’t cal technically nerf builders with capped mining speed

[grave zinc]

@unborn stream - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Wulfrum Drones and Hovercraft able to see through tiles]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

that is a vanilla thing

[vestal crater]

Yooo

[drowsy plank]

the cap is hard coded

[vestal crater]

Really???

Huh

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[vestal crater]

I didn’t know that

[drowsy plank]

kinda like how golem lock used to be

[vestal crater]

Aw damn

[unborn stream]

pog

[drowsy plank]

until CIT just

figured it out

[vestal crater]

Time to remake the game without the hard cap

[drowsy plank]

in line editing is funnnnnn

[indigo yacht]

ilediting directly modifies the source code right

[drowsy plank]

it modified the source code while it's running

since u cant edit it normally

which is kinda the point

[drifting socket]

that sounds like a great idea

[drowsy plank]

it is so fun and not awful never do assembly code kids

[indigo yacht]

truly incredible

[drifting socket]

I wonder what terraria would be like if it didn't have over a decade old spaghetti code holding it together

[indigo yacht]

a terraria recode would go hard

[drifting socket]

or moreso terraria modding

[indigo yacht]

shame it's woefully unrealistic

[drifting socket]

yeah that's just gonna be Terraria 2

when that comes out in 5 Fargo decades

[indigo yacht]

isn't terraria badly optimized? it'd massively speed it up

[drifting socket]

it's capped at 60fps anyway

[drowsy plank]

still it would help people with potato computers handle things like infernum

[indigo yacht]

yeah I've seen tons of people lagging even on basecal with like two mods enabled

I don't think I've seen anyone lag on just vanilla terraria

[drifting socket]

yeah again. moreso terraria modding

[indigo yacht]

actually no i have one of my friends was lagging when we played together but that could be partially from mp

[unborn stream]

I'm sure terraria tech debt is far tamer than minecraft's

[indigo yacht]

when I'm in a badly optimized game competition and my opponent is minecraft

[drifting socket]

don't make a game in. fucking JavaScript kids

[neat linden]

they tried to make it better by remaking it in C++ and they ended up just making it fucking worse somehow

[indigo yacht]

using "better" and "c++" in the same sentence was your first mistake

[drifting socket]

it's way more optimized at least

[echo leaf]

they also added microtransactions so it’s kinda like throwing radiological waste into a dumpster fire

[unborn stream]

so I've been thinking about debuffs and debuff immunities in terraria and i have come to the conclusion that it has way too many debuffs and calamity only makes it worse

the only debuff immunity accessory that's actually a decision as to whether or not you want to use it is the bezoar

[median scaffold]

Use Crown Jewel

[unborn stream]

because you can expect to consistently get poisoned in the underground jungle in the early game

[echo leaf]

Most of the debuffs don’t come from many sources

[unborn stream]

exactly

[crude geode]

Debuffs are indeed wack

Doesn’t help that the debuff immunity accessory™️ is arbitrarily plastered onto every build

[unborn stream]

i love switching to elysian aegis and getting messed up by random debuffs i forgot existed

[crude geode]

Silence when it

[unborn stream]

and also a lot of debuffs just, aren't really impactful

like okay it's a bit of DoT

only poison really mattering in early game because it's early game

[echo leaf]

silence deserves the death penalty

genuinely would rather be cursed

[gritty plaza]

silenced is stupid

"oh you play mage? no you don't"

[echo leaf]

we would achieve world peace if we replaced every instance of silenced with cursed

[gritty plaza]

fargo makes it worse somehow (the situation not silenced specifically but still)

cause it adds "antisocial" which is "oh you play summoner? no you don't"

[echo leaf]

silenced should have a dramatically longer duration and exclusively disable the chat

[gritty plaza]

and apparently that's infinite when around any other pillar than stardust?? how are you supposed to play summoner if you can't beat the solar pillar???

[echo leaf]

there’s an equivalent for every class. I think Atrophied, Jammed and, um… Anti-Magic?

[echo leaf]

use melee

moon lord is the same way, completely immune to all damage except that which comes from a certain class which cycles

[gritty plaza]

tbf i'm not sure how seriously you're supposed to take eternity mode

it does seem to mostly be a shitpost

[unborn stream]

anyway idk why I'm really talking about this here because whatever way you slice it, fixing debuffs would take a lot of effort

[gritty plaza]

the only time i found debuffs to actually matter was when i did torch god by accident and got god slayer inferno in prehardmode

[violet zephyr]

All pillars have this mechanic, and so does Moon Lord.

[gritty plaza]

ah

[violet zephyr]

Its not that big of a deal anyway, since after Cultist you can craft a multiclass armour, your damaging accessories are most likely already increase all sources of damage, and obtaining weapons isn't a difficulty.

[frail mantle]

it's not really

[gritty plaza]

still tho

annoying if you want to be class exclusive

[frail mantle]

it has a bit of a vanilla-esque silly tone, it's not a meme but it's also not particularly serious in vibe like cal is

[median scaffold]

This was changed or is changing to be just "you'll have harder time defeating the pillar with another class"

[frail mantle]

was

[gritty plaza]

maybe my view is just skewed by calamity then

idk i don't play many other mods

[frail mantle]

you used to be entirely locked out of using other classes on their pillars i think but nowadays you just get a damage penalty

[gritty plaza]

oh i see, disables all minions but you can resummon them

[frail mantle]

if you're patient enough you probably could in theory solo class both the pillars and ML but just getting some weapons from the other classes to switch to temporarily worked perfectly well for me

[frail mantle]

in summoner's case i think you lose a bunch of minion slots and whip speed

byeah the way emode pillars/ML are designed is a choice

[gritty plaza]

wiki just says -90% damage

[frail mantle]

the second hardest part of ML for me was remembering what mage weapons actually exist

[indigo yacht]

nebula blaze

[gritty plaza]

wand of sparking

[crude geode]

Pretty sure devs know debuffs are kinda wacky atp at least

just like most problems in calamity

[indigo yacht]

make debuffs scale like defense reforge

[indigo yacht]

I actually dont despise this idea

[crude geode]

What

[unborn stream]

make it so poison always does a percentage of max hp

[crude geode]

That doesn’t stop the problem that debuffs are inherently boring dot that the player kinda just exists around

[gritty plaza]

Noita, that you?

[vague bramble]

I love noita!!

[indigo yacht]

i meant for the fact that there's like 400 debuffs and 90% are only from a single boss or even a single attack

[vague bramble]

I watched albino play it with twitch spawns

[indigo yacht]

anyways debuffs are kind of difficult because like if they're not dot they're usually just... cursed and co. makes me want to stop playing the game, and stuff like slowness is just unfun to deal with

[gritty plaza]

imma pull up a list of debuffs and find every one that isn't dot

*not dot or negative stat sticks

[unborn stream]

distorted is the worst debuff ever designed actually

[vague bramble]

I love infernum because there's little to no debuffs

[indigo yacht]

[vague bramble]

Also that eternity exo mechs fight doesn't seem to have debuffs which is awesome

[crude geode]

Distorted is funny as fuck to me

[indigo yacht]

debuffs that restrict movement are unfun (unless the fight is designed around them in which case you could maybe make it work - like, dog is a bad example because the fight sucks but it's supposed to keep the debuffs in mind)

[gritty plaza]

clamity, extreme garvity, fish alert, glacial state(?), icarus's folly, warped, weak petrification

those are the calamity ones

[unborn stream]

i didn't know about the dog background color debuff stuff until looking at the wiki lol

[indigo yacht]

i only play death mode so i dont get colors

not like the debuffs actually do shit

[crude geode]

Debuffs that restrict movement are better than dot number 502, and still better than dot number 4

[gritty plaza]

in terraria, there's bleeding, darkness, blackout, silenced, cursed, frozen, webbed, stoned, distorted, obstructed, feral bite, moon bite

[crude geode]

You either have immunity to the dot or just take extra damage from attacks in boss fights

[gritty plaza]

that's a grand total of like ten debuffs that aren't just stat sticks or dot

and really icarus's folly is just a stat stick for flight time

[crude geode]

Truly

[indigo yacht]

i couldn't disagree more, but to each their own

I'd rather have a bunch of useless dot than debuffs that make the game worse

[novel belfry]

the real issue is that its all dots

and the ones that arent are clearly not properly factored into the fights that have them

[crude geode]

^^^^^^^^^

[dense ferry]

INSANE take

[gritty plaza]

dot debuffs would be interesting if more than one accesory interacted with them in a way other than immunity

[indigo yacht]

laudanum :cluele

[crude geode]

Laudanum is by far the accessory of all time

[dense ferry]

Debuffs are something that I just do not believe is worth expanding that much on

"Please Calamity make this Vanilla feature more interesting" número 309485

[crude geode]

So true

[dense ferry]

I think the debuff weakness system is about as much life as we can breath onto this system, anything else is gonna come if we think of some new, interesting debuff

At most we're going to change Silence because it's stupid as fuck

[indigo yacht]

🔥

i like celshell

[dense ferry]

"Fuck this one Class in particular"

[indigo yacht]

it's not immunity and it's only for a few bosses so it's like... more dynamic than some debuff accessories

[grim tusk]

“I think we should expand bleed, perhaps like this so its not crazy and is different from sickness…”
(gets shot down)

[novel belfry]

or maybe you should just remove most dot debuffs from bosses for the time being because all they do is annoy me everytime they kill me 😭

[dense ferry]

Calamity 🤝 Elden Ring

Fire being comically versatile for no reason

[crude geode]

I think we should make bleed a stackable debuff that refreshes duration on stack and gets stron-

[indigo yacht]

make bleed do absolutely nothing (including not disabling regen) but still count as a debuff so that ampoule is even stronger

[gritty plaza]

seriously why are there like eighteen kinds of fire

[grim tusk]

Fire in Cal is so weak lategame where everything resists it

[indigo yacht]

need more tbh

[grim tusk]

pre-hm its insane

[crude geode]

Prometheus forced the CalDevs to make them

[dense ferry]

Yeah and then every Boss needs to have their damage re-tested, every debuff-centric accessory gets shot dead in a ditch, and there is no form of scaling for Debuffs anywhere ingame

[gritty plaza]

prometheus when water walks into the room

the dichotomy between "this water enemy is weak to fire cause fire evaporates water" and "this water enemy is resistant to fire cause water puts out fire"

[dense ferry]

We're gonna add the Debuff Cleansers if that's enough for you

[novel belfry]

i mean, i've heard that dog's cosmic flames are getting changed... into a generalist debuff

[dense ferry]

Yeah

[novel belfry]

which uh

is not helping things if you ask me

[dense ferry]

Godslayer Inferno is not going to be a Fire Debuff for much longer