suggestions-discussion

[vocal moth]

and i didnt say post dog

[glass arch]

ele ray and lunar flare are both mage

[vocal moth]

Wrong one mb

havent played the game in awhile

[drowsy plank]

yes i know im using them as examples of tiers with a lot of content

[vocal moth]

OK but lioke

we talkin abt pre provi

when you have all these elemental choices and more

[glass arch]

which also has a lot of content

[vocal moth]

Yeah

thats my point

you can use more stuff

incorperate more cool weapons

More fun

[glass arch]

the solution to there being too much content is not to add more content

[drowsy plank]

yeah we should be spreading that out more not leaning into it

[vocal moth]

Well i think your wrong

My opinion

[drowsy plank]

incredible

[vocal moth]

giving players more choices and not locking them is great

when i was younger i used all the weapons

thats when i loved the game more

when i didnt think about max damage and such

[unborn stream]

you can try out all the weapons already tho

[vocal moth]

ima head out now

[unborn stream]

it's not like your armor has curse of binding on it

[drowsy plank]

true

[unborn stream]

in fact most armor sets you can switch class just by switching the helmet

[drowsy plank]

adding a set like this is just going to do the opposite of emphasizing diversity anyway bc people are just going to find what is strongest in the set and use it for that, or, if all the options are strong, find the strongest set of weapons and only use that

most of the time multiclass sets just get turned into "i can use a strong option from class 1 and a broken support from class 2" if even that

[vocal moth]

Ok

Just thought it was a cool idea damn

Acting like cool stuff is bad

smh

[unborn stream]

the way i see it, ideas are just that: ideas

an idea can be good or bad or anywhere in between or beyond and that's okay

[drowsy plank]

i swore ive seen you in here before but yes we do have an actual problem with "it would be cool" reasoning, and we have to explain why we have to flag these kinds of suggestions and people always have a problem with it

[vocal moth]

IK

its ok

just like your doing way too much

coulda shortened it and said you need more reasoning and it needs to serve a purpose

good day

[unborn stream]

anyway speaking of armor sets i think there should be some way to see set bonuses without needing to craft the whole thing and equip it

[vocal moth]

Yes

[unborn stream]

I've probably ignored some really good sets by just not knowing they exist

[vocal moth]

Yeah

You should suggest that lowkey

[unborn stream]

i intend to, I'm just thinking about how it would be implemented

[maiden quartz]

Terraria gaming is the game on one screen and the wiki on the other

[vocal moth]

How about like this

when crafting lets say a helmet in the description Theres a (set bonus If wearing full set)

Simple

[maiden quartz]

Hold shift while hovering the armor piece

[unborn stream]

yeah but iirc some sets aren't defined by just the helmet

[drowsy plank]

could just add a text box you could expand by holding a key when hovering over any piece of armor

[vocal moth]

Thats actually way smarter

[unborn stream]

like beetle armor

[vocal moth]

You could do a (shift to see set bonus)

Then shift

[unborn stream]

I guess you could just list every set that specific armor piece is part of

but then for armors with helmets for all 5 classes that's a lot

[gaunt needle]

Hold shift to summon The Wall of Text

[drowsy plank]

yeah, at most it'll be like 5, or just make it so the helmets show the helmet exclusive parts and the rest show what they all share

[maiden quartz]

[drowsy plank]

maybe make it so pressing other keys lets you flip through the pieces with unique effects or something

[unborn stream]

oh true I don't really know how set bonuses work internally

if sets with multiple classes actually directly share the same shared effects or not

[maiden quartz]

Add the wiki in-game

Self-explanatory.

[vocal moth]

Nah

cause

[unborn stream]

real

[vocal moth]

monitor sales wouldgo down

[maiden quartz]

fuck you're right

[drowsy plank]

now someone just has to suggest it

[unborn stream]

iirc recipe browser has an armor set viewer but it takes like 30 seconds to calculate all the sets

[maiden quartz]

yeah

[unborn stream]

i mean yeah i guess i could suggest it and just let the devs worry about implementation lol

[gaunt needle]

Shoutout to gem tech armor not listing any bonuses (other than defense?) whatsoever

I thought it was a stupidly expensive vanity set

[unborn stream]

yeah that's what made me think of it lol

[maiden quartz]

lmfao

[vocal moth]

Imagine recipe browser but its the wiki

[unborn stream]

to be fair in my current playthrough i am trying to make a point of investigating all options

[maiden quartz]

imagine recipe browser but it's internet browser instead

[vocal moth]

Revolutionary

[median scaffold]

@kindred creek

if you accidentally delete in

Otherwise, I think your suggestion is good

@unborn stream
There is also an option of making the set bonus compacted first (for example, similarly to reference in Midas' Prime's tooltip)

[unborn stream]

this is true

but i think ideally the set bonus tooltips should be procedural (is that the right word?), basically just reads the game data itself so that the devs don't have to like, rewrite the tooltip for every single armor piece lol

[maiden quartz]

i thought it did that already

[unborn stream]

well like, a shortened description of each set bonus for example would probably need to be written manually

[median scaffold]

This is probably already done for something like Recipe Browser

[unborn stream]

true yeah

either way i imagine the devs probably have a much better idea of what kind of implementation is feasible than I do lol

[errant wren]

i see the vision somewhat

holding shift on the common pieces lists the base set bonus, alternative pieces have a section listing their unique effects

that makes sense

[indigo yacht]

i like mixed sets but like

there's not a reason for them

i will simply hold out hope for crystal assassin #2

[coral carbon]

Wait, what is the other way of summoning Scal, without beating Calclone?

[indigo yacht]

ravager

shimmer core of calamity

where did this come from

[coral carbon]

Ah, right

#suggestions-posting message
I asked because this sugg mentioned it

[indigo yacht]

ah

[median scaffold]

Calamity actively prevents armor mixxing as far as I can say and the only real implication of it in early pre-HM and early-ish HM

[indigo yacht]

not armor mixed, mixed sets

basically just crystal assassin

maybe the ooa sets also count

i probably also forgot one

but there's not many

[median scaffold]

Multiclass sets

Forbidden, Fearmonger (technically), Crystal Assasin (technically), Mollusk (technically), Gem Tech, Forbidden, Frozen

[gilded citrus]

Omega blue

[indigo yacht]

oh yeah frozen

[median scaffold]

Oh, yeah, that one too

[sand marlin]

Astral.

[median scaffold]

I'm too lazy to remember every single one

You get the point either way

[indigo yacht]

there's a lot of sets that give minion slots and those ones are abysmally boring

i want ones that benefit classes besides summoner like crystal assassin or frost

[median scaffold]

The technical ones are usually just stat ups for every class

[gilded citrus]

So all class armour that excludes summoner?

[indigo yacht]

well i guess armor that benefits more than one class without counting summoner

so astral would fall under that definition i think?

idk

[median scaffold]

Okay, are we talking about sets that any class could use or sets that encourage multiclassing?

[indigo yacht]

the first one

primarily

[median scaffold]

Oh

[gilded citrus]

Then they would have to have minion slots :/

[median scaffold]

Then some of the said armors fall off, because rogue doesn't benefit from them as much due to stealth existing

The same goes to summoner more often than not (namely Astral and Omega Blue)

[indigo yacht]

notice how i reworded what i said to not exclude summoner, just not count it

[median scaffold]

At the same time, I think it is reasonable that the summoner is the main class in any hybrids

[indigo yacht]

it's frightfully boring

i just want crystal assassin #2

[median scaffold]

Because most armors don't encourage you to use x class with x class, instead just giving you stats

Even Crystal Assassin "suffers" from this case

[indigo yacht]

yeah but it's cool

and that's all i care about rn

[median scaffold]

I like what Fearmonger does, but... again, it is summoner

The hybrid class

[violet zephyr]

Almost like Summoner is easy to hybrid with...

[median scaffold]

Isn't this what I was saying a few messages back?

[sand marlin]

Guys I think summoner works really well with other classes

[indigo yacht]

i dislike summoner multiclass because it's lame
i like playing summoner when i can focus on the minions but multiclass just feels like the class I'm currently playing but also there are minions too I guess

[sleek turret]

Amazing revelation

[violet zephyr]

I think the solution is to give classes their own Summons.

[indigo yacht]

clearly the solution is to make every weapon function identically to a whip

[violet zephyr]

Ranger Slots. So you can summon Gun Minions.

[median scaffold]

Tbh, I would agree, but at the same time, it is genuinely fun to run summoner hybrids

[indigo yacht]

hasn't been for me

im a class purist i guess

[median scaffold]

I guess it is because I love weapon mixing and hybrids in general

[indigo yacht]

ranger finally has an interesting unique stat

[median scaffold]

Sad that Calamity butchers Frost and OOA sets 💔

[sand marlin]

Frost is not butchered lmao

[indigo yacht]

cant wait for new Crystal Hitman set, post ml set that buffs melee, "ranger", mage and rogue

[violet zephyr]

Isn't Point Blank stronger than Frost's set bonus?

[median scaffold]

I think it is because it is multiplicative instead of additive

[sand marlin]

Do you know what's stronger? 1.15x true melee bonus

[violet zephyr]

Pretty sure Frost is also multiplicative.

[median scaffold]

Is now a true melee armor*, my bad

[sand marlin]

Never was

You are meant to use both classes

True melee up close, ranger far away for maximum benefit

I should use it for once I usually don't because post 2 mechs feels quite late

[median scaffold]

I want to ask — is it worth the hustle compared to monoclassing with Adamantite?

[sand marlin]

Idk about practicality, I haven't used it yet

And the people that I do know who've used it don't dualclass

[median scaffold]

We need to continue that one playthrough, get to post-2 mechs and try out Frozen / Forbidden(s)

[sand marlin]

[errant wren]

just make multiclass armors encourage actually using the classes they're supposed to benefit

[indigo yacht]

they should add a no class armor set that doesn't benefit any class

[errant wren]

[indigo yacht]

or even better

benefits every class except for the one you're using

"when holding melee weapon +50% ranged, magic, summon, rogue damage"

[dense locust]

Summon penalty immunity hell yeah

[errant wren]

that's just the problem with summoner multiclass

the set

[indigo yacht]

set bonus gives -100 summon slots so you can't summon anything 🙏

[dense locust]

Wait this is just gem tech

[median scaffold]

Some of them do, most of them do not

[errant wren]

i think an effect like "selecting a new weapon lets the previous weapon fire for a few seconds before fully going away" would work

then again

why

[indigo yacht]

macro encouragement 🙏

[median scaffold]

Probably not, because you have an option of just using the weapon from the same class

[errant wren]

ok so make it need to be a different class

anyways

i think the issue is the fact that summons stick around

so we just make them explode when you use a different class so you have to resummon them

clearly

[median scaffold]

Then it becomes a summoner set

[errant wren]

explode with no damage

[median scaffold]

Then it becomes a summoner set
Double that

[errant wren]

[gaunt needle]

we should make all summoner weapons deal more damage if you hold them, surely that would make the class much more fair and balanced

[median scaffold]

That is just whips

[gaunt needle]

er

[gilded citrus]

That
That already happens?
Just in reverse

[gaunt needle]

nerf the damage if you don't hold them

you can use whips and/or other weapons

[median scaffold]

To quote a wise person:

That
That already happens?

[gaunt needle]

i mean holding "The X staff" would increase damage from X minions

[median scaffold]

.

However, whips are universal (except Firecracker, but shh)

[gilded citrus]

If its less then whips then its useless

If its more then whips then you make whips usless

[median scaffold]

To be honest, it will end up as a discussion whatever the DPS increase by staff is better than DPS from the whip itself

You still can weapon stack, it will just be more janky if the idea was added

[lucid marsh]

There's a much better solution and it's called balancing summons and whips like everything else

[median scaffold]

Also that

[gaunt needle]

anyways

1.3.3.001:
Summon weapons now deal 90% damage in pre-Hardmode, 66% damage in Hardmode, and 33% damage post-Moon Lord when holding a weapon of a different class instead of 33% damage at all times.

[median scaffold]

(How did we end up discussing whips after talking about multiclassing.....)

[gaunt needle]

have a millenia old changelog

[median scaffold]

Okay, sure. Why

[gaunt needle]

i am pretty sure that my suggestion was exactly how the calamity was (back in the day) and i am trying to find it

Holding a summon weapon no longer grants 10% increased summon damage.

2.0.0.001

found it

[violet zephyr]

Wh

[median scaffold]

So, that would violate one of the rules while also not bringing anything new to the table

[violet zephyr]

||I wonder how many of you finished the word.||

[sleek turret]

WHIPS!!!!

[golden sonnet]

that was with the penalty

[sleek turret]

The summoner solver

[golden sonnet]

both existed at the same time

[median scaffold]

Wait, did you have -50% summon damage constantly?

[golden sonnet]

no, I am saying the buff while holding summon weapons existed at the same time the penalty did

[sleek turret]

No

[golden sonnet]

not only did you lose damage if you were holding another class, you would not gain the 10%

which just made the differential even larger

[lucid marsh]

This is so stupid

[sleek turret]

It was funny because Classless weapons back then also didn't trigger the extra 10% damage increase afaik

[indigo yacht]

summoner should just have a 100% damage penalty when using a weapon

[golden sonnet]

yep, so classless options were just arbitrarily 10% worse

[fleet grotto]

summoner should have a 100% damage

[tardy geyser]

summoner should damage

[north oracle]

Summoner

[thin hazel]

‎

[indigo yacht]

mage

[fleet grotto]

mage should damage

[indigo yacht]

mage should have a 100% damage

[fleet grotto]

yep, so classless options were just arbitrarily 10% worse

[tardy geyser]

mage should just have a 100% damage penalty when using a weapon

[indigo yacht]

*bonus

[errant wren]

we need to remove terraria from calamity

[indigo yacht]

now this is a good suggestion

someone star react this

[lucid marsh]

All these summoner damage changes are insane

[tired haven]

Mana

-# obviously its more like 10% because potions exist but man.

[worthy lintel]

can mage cast some fun in the run

[thin hazel]

fun cast failed, -100% fun penalty

[indigo yacht]

sentenced to playing melee

[unborn stream]

summons should be despawned when a non summon weapon is held

[fleet grotto]

summons should be summoned

[prisma sedge]

They should add a microphone mechanic where you have to chant something every time you want to use a summoning weapon

[lucid marsh]

the whip bonus is, mechanically, basically the same as whatever nonsense summon damage penalty is made

you could solve the summoner multiclassing issue by making the whip buff required in order for minions to do substantial damage, and then making the whip buff be applied to all enemies if you are using any non whip active item deemed "acceptable" for summoners to use

this is, I think, what relogic was trying to do by adding whips

[north oracle]

sigh
let's not bring up the exact same summoner mechanics debate as every other time it's talked about here. it's not related to a suggestion, so just don't

[sleek turret]

1984

[thin hazel]

taela this is great id play the hell out of this if this is ever a thing

i need this mod

[north oracle]

this is peak tho

[fleet grotto]

also make it work on magic too

[prisma sedge]

Psh- funny enough, I wrote that because I thought it would be an idea so obviously bad that it wouldn't need clarification, but...actually yeah, I could see that being fun if done well

[thin hazel]

i want to chant ANCIENT ICE CHUNK

or ancient ice clasper

like 6 times

[fleet grotto]

@north oracle can you do this rq

evil fucked up person

[grizzled dome]

Uh... the Suspicious Looking Eye can also be found in chests, and used immediately to summon a boss. And I'm pretty sure you can spawn the EoC underground if you do it manually.

the real issue is that the syntax for pets and bosses is the same, but that's a vanilla issue.

[tropic yoke]

Well sometimes it's day

So usually you can get some warning

[grizzled dome]

yes, unless you were exploring underground at night to avoid the surface mobs.

[indigo yacht]

50% chance isn't a great argument

[fleet grotto]

probably make an except for ddu

[grizzled dome]

I just... I dunno. I feel like this issue is also a vanilla thing, and not that much of an issue? And if the person has played vanilla before, they'll recognize a boss summon.

[indigo yacht]

to be fair, misclicking is always an issue

i would change the suggestion to include the suspicious looking eye and any other summons you find underground

[tropic yoke]

I've accidentally summoned too many bosses too many tiems

All bosses

[indigo yacht]

this is why you press esc to close inventory 🙏

[tropic yoke]

No like from hotbar

[nimble totem]

I know this affects a very small portion of players but wouldn't that also cause issues in gfb?

[tropic yoke]

Cuz I always forget

[grizzled dome]

GFB/Don't Dig Up would need the summon to work underground, yeah.

[drowsy plank]

DS underground honestly isnt that bad if u actually clear out space

[tropic yoke]

Yeah but

If idfk what it is

And I'm in a tiny ass house

[nimble totem]

I also didn't even know you could find it in chests, I've only ever crafted it, and at that point I'm not in the underground desert anymore

[tropic yoke]

And also there's already a huge cleared out space up top

[grizzled dome]

I think at some point you have to chalk that up to user error.

[nimble totem]

👆

[oblique birch]

that is just funny

[indigo yacht]

would someone willingly use an item that explicitly "summons the desert scourge" and not expect something bad to happen

[oblique birch]

why change

[indigo yacht]

i think this would be a positive change to be implemented, but it is kind of pointless all things considered

[grizzled dome]

if they thought it was a pet summon, I guess? And wanted to use it rather than equipping it? I dunno.

[tropic yoke]

Well ig the tooltip does say it enrages outside the desert

[coral carbon]

Pet items arent really worded like that.

[indigo yacht]

i would reword the suggestion to focus on misclicks and the intended fight arena, personally

[tropic yoke]

I'm thinking of different ways to solve all accidental summons now

[nimble totem]

I don't think it would be positive - neutral at best, negative at worst. The wording tells you it's a boss, not a pet or minion summon. "Summons the Desert Scourge", not "Summons a Desert Scourge to follow you", and no summon damage listed

[tropic yoke]

Double-click to summon?

[indigo yacht]

i mean how could it not be positive, all it does is prevent misclicks and virtually nothing else

[grizzled dome]

Because it might cause problems in DDU. Or other seeded worlds or challenges.

[indigo yacht]

ok but like

just exclude those

secret seeds already wildly alter game mechanics

I don't see how that argument is applicable

[nimble totem]

Causes problems in seeded worlds, limits arena possibilities, and players just need to be smart enough to read and not put a boss summon in their hotbar until they're ready to fight it

[oblique birch]

let the players find out

[grizzled dome]

that's extra coding overhead, though.

[indigo yacht]

it's literally one line

there's booleans for each seed

[unborn stream]

as long as there's still a way to summon bosses underground I don't really have an issue but I also don't think it's necessary

[indigo yacht]

you can just summon it aboveground then go underground

[tropic yoke]

It's literally an if (!Main.DDU) { } or some shit

[indigo yacht]

yeah, something like that

[tropic yoke]

What about making double click required?

[indigo yacht]

no

absolutely not

[tropic yoke]

Why not lol

[indigo yacht]

that would be incredibly annoying

[nimble totem]

The idea of "what about misclicks tho?" feels incredibly dumb to me because if you're playing calamity, 99.999% of the time you already have experience with terraria and you should be able to tell apart a boss summon vs a pet or minion, and it's an entirely different button in the inventory anyways

[tropic yoke]

How

Is an extra click

"incredibly" annoying

[unborn stream]

so it's an incredibly niche problem and the proposed solution causes another incredibly niche problem

[tropic yoke]

What problemmmm

[indigo yacht]

unless you're perfect you will always misclick
what if you're dragging the summon to your inventory, or accidentally take the wrong one out, or scroll slightly too far in the hotbar?

[tropic yoke]

New players not accidentally dying?

[indigo yacht]

i use my number keys a lot but not always

[oblique birch]

what??

you're playing Terraria

[unborn stream]

okay what if

[oblique birch]

stop babysit the players

[indigo yacht]

that's not really going to happen if not for misclicks which don't only apply to new players

[oblique birch]

let them get trolled and make mistakes

[tropic yoke]

No like them not knowing

[unborn stream]

all boss summons need to be held up like terminus

[indigo yacht]

execution

[unborn stream]

(but not nearly as long obviously)

[tropic yoke]

I like the hold to summon

[indigo yacht]

all bosses will now be summoned via fishing, like dreadnautilus

[tropic yoke]

I was gonna suggest that

[unborn stream]

i love fishing

[tropic yoke]

Trueeee

[nimble totem]

Why are you dragging or scrolling wtf? I've literally never dragged or scrolled so I don't have issues, the devs shouldn't have to account for you doing that

[indigo yacht]

someday I'll make an awful mod containing all of my fishing suggestions

[indigo yacht]

how on earth do you organize your inventory if you've never dragged items around in it

and do you never use the scroll wheel to navigate your hotbar? because i know nearly everyone else does

even if only occasionally

[unborn stream]

i misclick in my inventory all the time

it's never more than a mild inconvenience

[nimble totem]

There's literally an "organize inventory" button. And no, I don't use the scroll wheel because that's how you make mistakes, I use hotkeys. Mine are weirder than other people's, I'm sure (main weapons sit on 4 and 5), but I know if I scroll I'm gonna be doing stuff I'm not trying to do like teleporting away instead of attacking

[thin hazel]

where the hell do i fish to spawn exos? an oil spill?

[indigo yacht]

place the codebreaker underwater

[thin hazel]

how is that fishing

electrocuting the fish?

[indigo yacht]

fish in the pond with the codebreaker

[thin hazel]

ohhhh

i see

[unborn stream]

i just don't keep things in my hotbar that i wouldn't want to accidentally use lol

[thin hazel]

use power cells as bait

[nimble totem]

I mean, I like the RoD in my hotbar, even if I rarely remember to use it, but that's a solution too yeah

[indigo yacht]

again, you're in a small minority which doesn't use the scroll wheel, and also it's incredibly unwieldy not to drag items around in your inventory and rely entirely on shift clicking and the "organize inventory button" which just sorts by rarity and (i believe) item id

[unborn stream]

there's no way it sorts by rarity

[indigo yacht]

you shouldn't argue that just because you don't use a convenient feature it shouldn't be considered

[nimble totem]

It sorts by item type - weapons together, pots together, blocks together, etc. Then by rarity, then name I believe

[indigo yacht]

anyways i take back what i said this suggestion is completely arbitrary

[unborn stream]

lol

[indigo yacht]

i realize that i don't actually care

[nimble totem]

Fair

[unborn stream]

like i said it's super niche lol

[indigo yacht]

forgot suggestion bot died for a second and was about to remark on how many suggestions there were

[unborn stream]

i realize that. this would flood #help-advice-read-pins with "why can't i summon [boss]???"

[indigo yacht]

I don't think boss summoning should be touched

[nimble totem]

Hell, even the suggestion itself says "this isn't something I've heard of but I can imagine it happening". At that point, should it even really be considered? If it were a widespread complaint I could see it, but it's not

"This isn't a problem but one person might be an idiot then get mad and rage quit so it's your job to prevent that"

[indigo yacht]

i still stand by misclicking being an issue because even if you don't at all sort your inventory it's practically a necessity to sort your hotbar, but it's not an issue that boss summoning really lends itself to

[olive saddle]

remove boss summons from calamity

[oblique birch]

isn't that player issue?

like

be more careful

[indigo yacht]

meh

not entirely

[nimble totem]

I keep my binds very neat - 1 for melee or RoD once I get it, 2 for pick, 3 for hammer/axe, 4+5 for weapons, 6 for torches, 7 for bug net/fishing pole, 8 for teleport, 9 for common block, 10 for misc(boss summons, consumables like life crystals, test weapons, etc)

[indigo yacht]

my binds vary through playthroughs although i usually keep recall potions and magic mirror in 0 and 9

[thin hazel]

same

[nimble totem]

Fair enough

[thin hazel]

i put weapons in first slots, whatever in middle, tools and recall last

[indigo yacht]

pickaxe, rod, axe of regrowth, weapons 1-3, boss summon, cosmolight, and blocks all go somewhere within the remaining slots

I'm somewhat impressed i can rod hotkey from so many different slots

[nimble totem]

Fun fact I've never actually used the cosmolight

Fargo's portable sundial, sure, but not the cosmolight. I actually don't even know how to craft it

[gritty plaza]

sunlight + moonlight

[oblique birch]

classic

[indigo yacht]

you can catch the sun and moon in a bug net and they no longer appear in the sky

you can craft cosmolight from them or use them for 9999% fishing power

[nimble totem]

Oh same recipe as the portable sundial?

[gritty plaza]

that was the recipe years and years ago

can't remember what it is now

[indigo yacht]

it's the sunlight stuff with some souls and some other shit

[nimble totem]

Oh

... yeah I'll stick with my pre-boss version

[vocal moth]

Vrz why would we even need that

in the words of that annoying mod

You need reasoning why its needed if its needed whats it add or smth idk

[golden sonnet]

I'm exclaiming this because this is just uneccessary restrictions on the player and doesn't follow vanilla either. All of this logic could be applied to the eye of cthulu. Not to mention the reports we would get of the item not working

[steep patrol]

Cause of the problem? Ppl don't read

[novel belfry]

also

im pretty sure next update Desert Scourge's rework will have you fight him underground in his nest

i could be partly wrong, this was a while ago

[rugged belfry]

Why willingly restrict what all players can do because of an extremely uncommon case?

Doesn't seem necessary

[golden sonnet]

^ my thoughts yeah

[boreal lichen]

I think that will be 1 of the ways to fight it

[golden sonnet]

And I've already had issues with similar cases, like ravager being locked to the surface causing issues in special seeds and restricting where you can make the arena

So we killed that for next update

[steep patrol]

Wait Raesh is a dev? Wtf

[violet zephyr]

Yes.

[steep patrol]

Since when

[violet zephyr]

Since some time now.

[oblique birch]

dev role should appear before mod smh

[violet zephyr]

No.

[golden sonnet]

Tiny bit after I became a mod, so the mod role overshadowed it. I've also been dealing with some extreme motivation burnout on top of personal issues so it's not like I've done anything as a dev yet.

[violet zephyr]

Moderators are more important for the overall structure of the server, so they appear on top.

[steep patrol]

Well congrats anyways

[golden sonnet]

Thank you!

[wet vigil]

Wow there is a nothing burger suggestion

[north oracle]

the sugg's already been flagged, shitting on it doesn't help :P

[glass arch]

unless the poster is actively arguing about it being flagged just let it be
and if the poster is actively arguing about it being flagged then tell a mod :kek:

[rugged belfry]

You're there for their motivation

[novel belfry]

i need my motivational dev

[median scaffold]

We all do...

[cinder karma]

the most ass suggestion in the whole channel history imo

it's exclusivity is on point

it's not like the terrarian is able to build such a technology that even dreadon was struggling with

the greatest inventor OAT

[drowsy plank]

[vague bramble]

[cinder karma]

[boreal lichen]

[drowsy plank]

okay dont spam emojis

anyway that is an awful take

[cinder karma]

get a life

[drowsy plank]

wow that is rude and unnecessary

anyway you should try reading the actual reasoning on the post, because i dont care how lorepilled you are, helping avoid world hopping is a good thing, and if more than one person wants to use the murasama, or it somehow gets destroyed, it's completely reasonable to make it obtainable again

calamity already does this for other items, so there's no reason murasama should be the exception

[violet zephyr]

Murasama is non-canon.

[worthy lintel]

if the game detects murasama no longer exists in a world you get a special calling option at the codebreaker with draedon calling you a stellar dumbass and handing you a recipe

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[golden sonnet]

Peak

[gilded citrus]

Its not even lorepilled

Murasama just aint canon anymore so they be eating out of date medicine at this point

[drowsy plank]

ture

[errant wren]

contact draedon and he'll upgrade phaseslayer to murasama

[median scaffold]

Are we sure that genuinely bad (or, rather, quite a bit annoying) gameplay design choices should stay just because lore?

Although I guess Slime God's core removal says something on this front...

[violet zephyr]

No. And Slime God's Core phase removal was not one of lore.

[gilded citrus]

When was core removed

[violet zephyr]

Before the lore rewrite.

[gilded citrus]

Thought so

[violet zephyr]

Shortly after 2.0's release.

Maybe Wulfrum Overhaul did.

[median scaffold]

That was more so a rhetorical question, but the Slime God's core phase removal situation sounds like they tried to make sense of it, ig

[indigo yacht]

this batch of suggestions is pretty decent

even the ones i don't care about seem fine

[novel belfry]

Well, it’s a gameplay-based change? Then I’ll say that it’s a bad gameplay change

[indigo yacht]

core phase was shitty

it can stay dead

[median scaffold]

That is fair

[gritty plaza]

Btw, is that bug where you recall away from spike god and it just dies fixed yet?

[indigo yacht]

probably not

[median scaffold]

Will be in the next update

[violet zephyr]

Normally, I'd say people can have their opinions. But this time? I'd rather just say you're wrong.

[indigo yacht]

🔥

[median scaffold]

From the looks of it, Slime God's core phase is not bad

[novel belfry]

I mean, you could’ve still reworked it to not suck.

Now the fight isn’t really a fight against a Slime God, but rather two super king slimes

Slime God core phase’s removal takes far more away from the fight than keeping it in

[median scaffold]

But, again, the lore now makes Slime God a coward, so it leaving after 2 of its paladins are dead makes sense

[novel belfry]

fuck that

[median scaffold]

It feels like the devs needed an excuse for removing Slime God's core phase, for some reason

[novel belfry]

that’s even more infuriating, that they just decided to lore justify to attempt to keep queen slime cool???

[violet zephyr]

There was no excuse. It was removed because it wasn't liked.

[novel belfry]

not liked by who?

[violet zephyr]

By me.

Great arguement there.

I'm not sure what isn't getting through your dense skull. Gameplay will always be more important than lore, even the writers agree with this. And this change was done prior to the lore rewrite.

[indigo yacht]

I don't think anyone liked the core phase when it existed

i never saw anyone unhappy that it got removed, until now

quite a bit later

[drowsy plank]

core phase was just "hope you have a homing weapon motherfucker"

which also biased it a lot towards summoner for hopefully self explanitory reasons

[novel belfry]

That said, this is entirely contingent on slime god’s sprite being small
the upcoming overhaul of slime god will make him a whole lotta bigger

[drowsy plank]

still smaller than cultist's shield in pre-Hardmode

it's just a Bad Idea

[novel belfry]

you sure?

[drowsy plank]

yes

[glass arch]

yes

[novel belfry]

okay

[glass arch]

even if it was the size of cultist shield

you're still in pre hardmode

[violet zephyr]

Just increase the velocity on every weapon.

And fire rate.

Simple!

[drowsy plank]

genius

honestly that's kind of already happening bc of the skeletron AI changes but shhhhhh don't bring them up

[violet zephyr]

Didn't Skeletron recently have an issue with its speed being buffed and literally half the weapons couldn't hit him?

[drowsy plank]

LOL

yes

[indigo yacht]

at least skeletron is somewhat enjoyable

[novel belfry]

its not that much smaller than eye of cthulhu

it is speedy however

[drowsy plank]

just move the new skeletron AI to slime god core and call it a day ez

(dont do this)

[median scaffold]

What if Slime God obsorbs the power of its paladins and becomes much larger

[royal tapir]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/602077288296742913/1137089492751224932/speed-6.gif

[glass arch]

consider
pre rework belladonnas

they were so horifically ass on core phase

i did a fifteen minute fight where i spent about a minute on paladins

[median scaffold]

Tbf, the current version of it wouldn't be too much different

[frail fox]

Pre-rework belladonna and pre-buff brittle star staff were hell because they’d destroy stuff they could hit but then awful EoC

[tardy geyser]

Make its movement very jumpy imo, like it decelerates and stops to give you a chance to hit it after it attacks, before accelerating again. Kinda like a slime jumping but in the air ig

[violet zephyr]

So... A jellyfish that can fly?

[tardy geyser]

Yeah like that, expect it doesnt just move in straight lines.

[serene portal]

I just beated wall of flesh I didn't tinked what class should I be any suggestions ?

[drowsy plank]

#help-advice-read-pins or #calamity-mod-talk

[novel belfry]

I mean, maybe look at the Infernum and Eternity versions of Slime God to see how they do core phases

[drowsy plank]

what if we removed slime god-

[frail fox]

Infernum core has the exact same issues as the original don’t look at that one lol

[errant wren]

replace core phase with slime god rain where it's just the random ones that it summons

[indigo yacht]

idk if there's anything wrong with this suggestion or not but the lack of line breaks is criminal

[violet zephyr]

Making several spaces does not make a line break.

[atomic aurora]

yeah how do you do it on PC?

[indigo yacht]

shift enter

[violet zephyr]

Shift + Enter.

[median scaffold]

Suggestions should have an easy to understand, short title?
Welp, insert your suggestion into the title

[atomic aurora]

fixed it

[median scaffold]

I have the reason to why Mauler is rare is due to its rather specific spawn requirements

[indigo yacht]

is acid rain rework not in sso

[median scaffold]

A different update, iirc

[atomic aurora]

then i think they should make him have less spawn requirments

[boreal lichen]

Nope

It will be later™️

[indigo yacht]

ah

[boreal lichen]

But uh, Mauler already has some plans

Environmental changes like how the surface will be basically inaccessible when Mauler spawns, Mauler becoming an actual integrated underwater miniboss of the tier, etc.

[indigo yacht]

acid rain is just generally annoying and tedious i think

[atomic aurora]

that is true

[gaunt needle]

calamity: sunk and seas update part 1 and part 2 😔

[fleet grotto]

can you not just break the walls

[median scaffold]

I think they meant that the water is generated even at the player-placed walls

[maiden quartz]

Just make the Unsafe walls make water simple

[median scaffold]

Yeah

@proven quail
I would suggest you to change the suggestion's name to something like:
**Make unsafe Sunken Sea walls produce water instead of all walls**
And then you can specify what is the reason for the change

[median scaffold]

@coarse gate
What are you talking about?

[violet zephyr]

What?

[median scaffold]

Also, check the rules, please

[coarse gate]

ight sorry

[fleet grotto]

umbraohile works!!

umbraphael

errrr

[coarse gate]

i don't know it just sounds better

[median scaffold]

What the heck is umbraphael?

[median scaffold]

It sounds the same

It looks... weirder

[violet zephyr]

Umbraohile.

[coarse gate]

well i don't know umbraphile just sounds weird to me

[fleet grotto]

murdering you

[fleet grotto]

a character name

[coarse gate]

and umbraohile is just complicated to pronunce

[median scaffold]

...from where?

[coarse gate]

what do you mean

[median scaffold]

#suggestions-discussion message

It pronounced also the same, no?

[coarse gate]

no

[umbral gazelle]

umbraphael will be the name of next ishmael id trust

[median scaffold]

Almost the same*

[coarse gate]

i mean if you want to know how i pronounce it come to vc or i can send you a voice file

[violet zephyr]

Do

Do you not know how to say the -phile suffix?

[median scaffold]

Send the file, please

[coarse gate]

ight

[frail mantle]

i don't really think it matters too much whether or not it's pronounced differently

[median scaffold]

Umbraphail would sound like that, I think

[coarse gate]

oh ok

i'm just thinking it sounds cool no more no less

[median scaffold]

The pronunciation of the word "umbraphael" is almost the same as "umbraphile", but with a different emphasis

[frail mantle]

i think umbraphael would as well

[median scaffold]

Let's start with what is the other reason for why the armor should be renamed?

[frail mantle]

but either way it doesn't really matter

[maiden quartz]

umb raphael

[median scaffold]

Google Translate doesn't say so, but I won't argue if it is scuffed in this department

[coarse gate]

i mean i'm not saying it's a correct word i'm just saying the prononciation sounds cooler

[median scaffold]

And no, something sounding cool is not a reason

[coarse gate]

that's it

[fleet grotto]

umbraphile is a real word with a real meaning that fits the definition for a description of the armor

making up a word for it doesn't make sense imo

[glass arch]

yeah

[median scaffold]

Agree

[glass arch]

umbraphile is an actual thing
umbraphael is. weird

sounding cooler is not a good reason

[median scaffold]

.

[glass arch]

the reasoning of "it would be cool" is an instant flag

[coarse gate]

ight sorry then

[fleet grotto]

it's your opinion anyways, which is perfectly fine

to be so honest you could just pronounce it like that and nobody will care because this is text

[indigo yacht]

they should remove melee from the game

[fleet grotto]

i thought it was amidas instead of amidias for years

[median scaffold]

Okay, that's the only suggestion that can go away with the "it would be cool" reasoning 🔥

[indigo yacht]

YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[fleet grotto]

if they removed melee they would remove everything that deals melee damage

[median scaffold]

Although "Rework melee into true melee" would go even harder

[median scaffold]

No, they won't remove true melee, as it is technically another class

[indigo yacht]

i suppose true melee is acceptable

[fleet grotto]

that is a whole lot of clueless

[indigo yacht]

clueful

[median scaffold]

[boreal lichen]

[median scaffold]

True melee has actual differences compared to mage / ranger, besides having a different damage type with no ammo or mana

[indigo yacht]

melee is boring and dumb and cringe and i dont like it but true melee i also don't like but it's not boring or dumb or cringe

[median scaffold]

Mage / ranger are also fairly similar, but at least the latter has ammo... sometimes

[indigo yacht]

i love killing gods with my machine guns

[worthy lintel]

i do have to admit that the last 20% is easier and its such a shame

especially with a ram

poor fishron endlessly colliding until he dies

[hollow shell]

am I crazy or are there not Safe walls which don't do this
#suggestions-posting message

[royal tapir]

Correct

[hollow shell]

@proven quail ^

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Holy Protection (Hallowed Armor Dodge) to the Cooldown Rack]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[indigo yacht]

awesome

[thin hazel]

yay

[grave zinc]

@unborn stream - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add an upgrade to the Hand of Creation]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@stark locust - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[**Allow the Photoviscerators homing exo flares(Right Click) to go through blocks when attached to enemies **]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@shell grotto - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Increase Laudanum's effect accessibility]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[gaunt needle]

Rare laudanum suggestion w

[stark locust]

Hopefully after this it is somewhat comparable to Gael

[shell grotto]

based

[stark locust]

wtf hit you #suggestions-posting message

[indigo yacht]

boss ram

buggy hitbox i suppose

[idle dagger]

Yoo??? Hand of creation upgrade got passed??

Let’s go

[median scaffold]

Tbh, I want Calamity to add percentage to the Vanilla health bar and make the stats consistent all across... uhh, 2 styles of health bars

[unborn stream]

not a bad idea tbh

i just try to keep my suggestions to one suggestion each, so i figure the whole percentage thing would be better as its own suggestion

[frail mantle]

i mean you could include the percentage thing and change the title to something like "make the vanilla boss healthbar give the same level of information as the calamity one"

[unborn stream]

that's probably a better idea yeah

[median scaffold]

I agree

[unborn stream]

is there anything else the calamity health bar shows that vanilla doesn't

i never use it so idk

[median scaffold]

Vanilla:
Health (in numbers)
Name

Calamity:
Health (in percentage)
Name
Enrage

That's it, I think

Let me check

[unborn stream]

actually it's probably better that somebody else make the suggestion lol

[median scaffold]

Nah, it doesn't have anything else

[median scaffold]

"Standardize stats shown by both health bars"
Can you work with this idea?

[unborn stream]

not with my current brain (i am very tired)

[median scaffold]

Go get some rest, then (if you can)

[unborn stream]

🫡

[distant gyro]

there are some fundamental differences between the two

namely the mgr bar has a cap of 4 while vanilla will only ever show 1

as such, vanilla bars will treat the one bar as the bar

[gilded citrus]

Tbf mgrr bar is smaller then the vanills one iirc

[distant gyro]

slightly taller but significantly shorter

[distant gyro]

but there are some examples from this that the one bar can't quite replicate

• each individual exo mech transitions at a specific threshold of their own health ~ you will not get a breakdown of each mech health when there's just one bar but rather the one bar represents the progress relative to the whole fight

[errant inlet]

Can I post a SIS here just to get feedback? I dont wanna actually suggest it since, again, it's a SIS but feedback would be nice

[olive saddle]

odd choice but sure

[errant inlet]

The Negotiator

400 ranged damage
Strong knockback
0% critical chance
Use time: 15
Velocity: 16

All but following orders.
Converts musket balls into 45 cal. bullets that shred through enemies with insane force
The revolver can shoot 6 times before having to reload for 1.5 seconds
Every shot has a 1 in 6 chance of having more gunpowder in the shell, causing it to fire with far more strength and recoil, dealing 2.5 times the original damage
Every non-empowered shot adds 8% to the empower chance, with empowered shots resetting the bonus to 0%
3 consecutive empowered shots result in a chain shot of 3 empowered bullets in a 0.7 second time frame with the last bullet dealing 5 times the original damage and delivering massive recoil, spinning the gun in your hand. Reloading after this takes 1 second instead of 1.5
6 consecutive non-empowered shots increase the wielder's rage increases by 15%, with every following non-empowered shot adding an additional 5%. This bonus ends the moment an empowered shot is fired
"Come to think of it, I only need one bullet to end this."

Crafting:
1 Revolver
5 Auric Bars
25 Yharon Soul Fragments
50 Gunpowder
2 Greater Luck Potions

No wait shadowspec weapons are dev weapons

Much better

[gaunt needle]

Gambling: the weapon

[median scaffold]

For why did you do this? Fandom Wiki?
Why it has no critical chance by default?
25 (+1) Yharon Soul Fragments is... a weird number, considering how little you get from defeating him

[errant inlet]

I did it because it was fun to write

Not everything needs to have an inherent purpose i just imagined a cool revolver and went "yea"

[drowsy plank]

my only opinion is that this certainly reads like a donor weapon

[vague bramble]

Atleast it isn't another mage weapon

[drowsy plank]

TRUE

[glass arch]

:ishouldkillyou:

nooo my 30 dollar steam gift card noooooooooo

[median scaffold]

Can I send one of my rewrites here and you say your opinion about it?

[drowsy plank]

sure lmfao

[median scaffold]

Fair enough, although I think trying to make the items work in the current Calamity environment is part of the fun

[median scaffold]

Oh, uhh
I'll take the chance, but a little bit later, if that's fine

[drowsy plank]

ok lmao

[grave zinc]

@unborn stream - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Sound effect for the ranger point-blank damage bonus]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[median scaffold]

That was sudden (I just entered the server once again)

Also, nice suggestion

[median scaffold]

So, uh, the question is...
Where do I send the text? Right here?

[median scaffold]

Anyways, here's one of the more simple ones in concept:

Shattered Module (a boss drop, intended to be used post-3 mechs, but can be acquired as soon as even 1 has been defeated)
8% decreased damage
All attacks briefly inflict Shattered Mechanism, decreasing knockback resistance and stunning enemies
The debuff cannot be reapplied before running out
The debuff is weakened against bosses

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

this is really funny but idk if people would use it

[dense locust]

titan arm viability skyrocketing rn

[median scaffold]

I think it has a niche of making pretty much any weapon into a ridiculous crowd control one for normal enemies (specifically useful for moons, as it is pretty much the earliest event you could use the accessory for), while not breaking the balance entirely by shutting down bosses with true melee or fast enough weapons (the debuff's duration is normally only 1 second, but the actual stun effect of it is halved whenever a boss is alive)

Another one, because I like to talk about this kind of stuff

Aquatic Shardstone (a drop from literally the same boss and intended stage of progression, lol)
Striking an enemy with ranged damage reveals the shattered shadow of its soul
Continuously dealing ranged damage to the enemy strengths the shadow
The shadow bursts out if the enemy was killed or not hit in a while
Summons a stronger shadow of your own soul that fires lasers after taking damage
There can be only 4 shadows of your enemies' and 2 of your own soul present at the same time
(There are more technically stuff, but I do not want to overshare)

[drowsy plank]

guh

[median scaffold]

I'll stop with the "discussion" before it becomes a little bit too... much

[drowsy plank]

fair lol

[errant inlet]

Another question

Where do i donate to get a donor weapon

Like

Do i have to be a patreon subscriber

[golden sonnet]

you can't, donor items are a thing of the distant past

[errant inlet]

Wait really 🥺

Id be willing to give money to have an item in cal

[median scaffold]

I would do the same, if only I had money

Alternatively, I would learning and make CToTA real, but that's a bit too much to ask for now

[thin hazel]

calamity tears of the aardvark

[median scaffold]

Tales of the Aquatic, but close enough (features water, at least)

[oblique birch]

just become a Cal Dev

you'll get your item hur hur

[glass arch]

so were too many other people that also would

item donos have been closed for like 4 years iirc and theres still like 40 in the backlog

[median scaffold]

I technically could, but I pretty much have no needed skills to do so

(Except being a tester, but Fluffy and Raesh are doing a much better job anyways)

[indigo yacht]

they should remove ravager from the game imo

[indigo yacht]

maybe someday i can put my shitposting "skills" to use

[tardy geyser]

Once its monkey it will be better 🙏

[spice stream]

fr

[indigo yacht]

can we temporarily delete it until then

using death whistle just gives you a ravager treasure bag

[boreal lichen]

Make it like 5% chance to work

[indigo yacht]

what does the other 95% do

[spice stream]

instant death

[indigo yacht]

wonderful

[median scaffold]

Sniper from the hit game Team Fortress 2 snipes you

[boreal lichen]

Now we're getting somewhere

[indigo yacht]

nice shot, mate

[median scaffold]

I've been playing too much CTI lately, this is becoming my second addiction after Calamity 💔

[royal tapir]

Oh this would be simple enough I suppose

Maybe later

[polar bison]

@fleet grotto THANK YOU

I HADNT BEEN ABLE TO GET ON DISCORD FOR THE LONGEST TIME AND WANTED TO MENTION THIS BUT ONCE I GOT BACK I HAD FORGOTTEN

[fleet grotto]

:D

[royal tapir]

Shamelessly steals Plantera thorn ball warning color code

[crude geode]

Awesome sauce

[glass arch]

this video made me realize just how ass ravagers fight looks 🥹

[crude geode]

Yeahhhh

[drowsy plank]

honestly i cant tell what the explosion telegraph is still

oh it kinda flashes red

[tardy geyser]

Yeah its red flashing on a red sprite

[drowsy plank]

maybe it should flash blue...?? the sprite is already very red

[drowsy plank]

make it flash blue so you can actually see it on the red sprite

[tardy geyser]

So true, same blue as the flames

[drowsy plank]

yeah that's the idea
it already has a good contrasting color built right into the fight

[hollow shell]

Yeah it's not the most noticeable thing in the world, that red

[hollow shell]

you don't say

(The sounds are really cool though)

[royal tapir]

Ravager doesn't need anything urgent, except for like, giving the flames a sprite

[royal tapir]

idk maybe

[drowsy plank]

guh

i mean you NEED to make it something other than that red

i had to watch it like 3 times to even notice it

and that's without actively being in the fight and having to dodge everything else

[royal tapir]

I don't need to do anything

But I mean you're right

[hollow shell]

Is there already an effect somewhere in Calamity for like an anime/RPG pre-explosion "shine"
that can be reused here?

[royal tapir]

What does that mean

[hollow shell]

Like uhhhhhhhh

like this
https://youtu.be/HWemchXaWyc?t=687

You know the trope

[errant wren]

glows before explode

i get it

[hollow shell]

the Supernova rogue weapon goes really hard on it

[errant wren]

rogue doesn't exist so i wouldn't know

[hollow shell]

(Ares's arm charge-up particles come to mind but you'd probably have to fuck with it a lot to make it look good on the Rav nuke)

[drowsy plank]

incredible example

[hollow shell]

Bowser's Peak Story

[drowsy plank]

TRUE

[royal tapir]

Okay using sky blue makes it even less noticeable due to how changing alpha works

[drowsy plank]

😭

[crude geode]

[indigo yacht]

what if progression scaling reforges for quick and lucky and menacing

ok maybe not menacing actually we don't want to give summoner any buffs

...maybe not lucky either...

anyways my thoughts were that quick is already not very great (which is supposed to be changing in sso anyways) but it would likely do less as you get further in the game

[errant wren]

the luck stat scales but not the crit chance

totally

[indigo yacht]

real

[drowsy plank]

we should wait for the base movement changes before we start messing with quick again

[indigo yacht]

😔 ok fair enough

[errant wren]

quick should add a block of jump height

[indigo yacht]

quick will be too op

[drowsy plank]

i think it would be funny if we made lucky give luck tho

[indigo yacht]

jump speed reforge would be so peak

[errant wren]

a negligible horizontal flight speed buff

[crude geode]

better than arcane

[errant wren]

mana potion effectiveness stat

awful

[fleet grotto]

does it not??

the stat says +.5 luck

[jolly kernel]

it does

[drowsy plank]

oh okay

i forgot calamity already added that

then yeah lucky is fine

[errant wren]

i mean, i was saying to make that scale for shits and giggles

[royal tapir]

I have concluded red is far more visible, so now it flashes faster and has a cyan backglow

[lucid marsh]

I would make the entire sprite turn a bright color

not just tinted

also, there really needs to be like any indication of explosion radius besides just dust

[hollow shell]

aight the backglow should help, nice

[polar bison]

CIT come give me a smooch

[fleet grotto]

⁉️

[distant gyro]

chill

[royal tapir]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917617904369950750/1304676254779183155/attachment.gif

[errant wren]

what the ding dang

i left you all alone for 3 hours

actually 2

[indigo yacht]

fatal mistake

[unborn stream]

is there a particular reason bosses with unconventional summoning methods don't get nonconsumable summon items?

there are some exceptions like hive mind/perfs, polter, lunatic cultist, plantera

which makes me wonder why the inconsistency

[fleet grotto]

the only ones i can think of are empress and dukes

[unborn stream]

golem, leviathan

although i might've heard leviathan is getting one next update? don't remember for sure

wof, skeletron

[fleet grotto]

old power cell

wof also has an easy way to do it and clothier voodoo doll is reusable

leviathan though? yeah absolutely

[unborn stream]

but you still have to wait for the respective npcs to return

[fleet grotto]

true

[unborn stream]

this is why i asked if there's a reason rather than going ahead and suggesting it lol

like was it removed because of how it was implemented or because the devs don't want nonconsumable summons for certain bosses or because of any other reason

[drowsy plank]

the item only existed to bypass the hardmode/plant lock

[unborn stream]

i assume now they changed it so the regular cells work pre plant?

[drowsy plank]

yes

[fleet grotto]

wait it was removed???

[drowsy plank]

going to be

[fleet grotto]

oh damn

[drowsy plank]

it was a very stupid item regardless

[unborn stream]

okay so i figure that wouldn't fall under "re-add a removed feature"

or would it

[drowsy plank]

why

like ignoring whether it does or not what purpose is there to bringing back old power cell

[unborn stream]

like i said, nonconsumable summons for every boss

so they can be grinded

[drowsy plank]

duke, empress, old duke...

[unborn stream]

yes those too

[drowsy plank]

i dont think every single one needs them

[unborn stream]

did you read the start of this conversation lol

[drowsy plank]

i did

im trying to point out that those are just purchasable, and power cells are so easy to get

i have nearly 30 by the time i reach golem's room, and if you really need more im pretty sure they might even still be craftable? and lihzahrd still drop them quite commonly so you just have to kill some guys

yeah you can literally just craft the normal cells

[unborn stream]

you are right they aren't hard to get but maybe it's more the inconsistency that bothers me idk

either way wof and skeletron still have the issue

[drowsy plank]

it's not really an inconsistency it feels more like a deliberate decision
also i suppose that is more fair, but at least with calamity's NPC configs the wait isnt too bad

i agree those could use them after you kill em tho

mostly just bc even with the config guide spawning is fickle

[unborn stream]

a decision to make them not consistent lol

[drowsy plank]

to make golem, duke, and empress use their normal spawn items because they're more interesting and just making those easier to get for rematches

like on the other side of this

hold item up in air get boss looks goofy and also is lame as hell

[unborn stream]

this is true

every boss gets an altar summon

[drowsy plank]

a post golem old power cell that works like astrum deus's starcore would be fine i think

[unborn stream]

yeah

so maybe if i make a suggestion it'll just be for wof and skeletron

am i correct in remembering leviathan (or more specifically amahita) getting a summon item soon?

[drowsy plank]

yes

one could even say it might be in this very room with us... (i have no idea if they're actually going to use this one but it's been in #assets-needed for FOREVER at this point lmao)

[royal tapir]

Another was made in dev, so it’s between those two

[drowsy plank]

makes sense

wow the vernal plants one is still up

[unborn stream]

speaking of next update, i noticed change 372 (removing trapper bulbs, demonic bone ash, and murky paste) doesn't also remove ancient bone dust

which to me feels like a similarly unnecessary item, perhaps even moreso than the ones that are being removed

[drowsy plank]

shit wait i left ping on on that one sorry altix

anyway if u were curious about abd here @unborn stream

[distant gyro]

o/

[unborn stream]

ahh i see

[indigo yacht]

they do need a few materials for custom recipes

they're just getting rid of the unnecessary ones

[frail fox]

True suggestion

[indigo yacht]

should make the description for each form also only show when its selected so the wall of text is like only half as long

[restive nest]

right

maybe even add special color to make it even faster to see

[indigo yacht]

or at least to indicate that the text changes

[grave zinc]

@fleet grotto - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give an indication as to when Ravager's nukes are going to blow up]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[median scaffold]

[whole tundra]

As if it wasn't an easy boss already

[oblique birch]

banger suggestion from amethyst

[echo leaf]

just ask nicely

[indigo yacht]

violence is a universal language

[drowsy plank]

ask them nicely with violence

[prisma sedge]

My fingers are crossed so hard with this one

[drowsy plank]

wow this breaks

so many rules

@fringe dawn please read the rules in the pins

[fringe dawn]

Hm, I'm looking at other suggestions.

Looking at the rules, the don't do's I could see 1 rule that I broke, possibly even 2 at a stretch. Not the "so many rules" which you claim.

Balance issue, yes I could understand that, cause of an item that would scale to defence would be insane to test out.

I don't feel like Extreme Effort or broad, just feels like it conflicts with balance issue, the item just felt like a lesser version of the community but not scaling with bosses but with defence,

I took it down and won't proceed, thanks anyways.

[golden sonnet]

The main issue was that it did not seek to solve a problem, it was just presenting an idea and a fairly specific way to implement it.

[drowsy plank]

it's a specific item suggestion, that's like the biggest sin to break

[golden sonnet]

"Biggest sin" is a dramatic way to put it, but specific item and specific rework suggestions are the ones with the most issues yeah and they are more common than other invalid suggestions

suggestions should always seek to point out an issue, and then may provide possible ways to solve the issue. If you are just coming up with item ideas, although very cool those are not really what the developers are looking for as they have enough content ideas internally. Feel free to share any item ideas, or add your own mod for them, but the suggestions channel here exists to facilitate actual issues that need to be solved or points where content is lacking.

[indigo yacht]

you know, removing melee from the game technically wouldn't be that massive of a change, just delete a bunch of files and... ok actually removing the vanilla weapons would be difficult

[fleet grotto]

no

just change damage type to rogue or ranger

easy

maybe even a few mage

[indigo yacht]

yeah but like melee weapons suck

[fleet grotto]

like flying knife i can see that being mage !

[indigo yacht]

they should be executed for their crime of being boring

[fleet grotto]

yeah but it's not a MELEE weapon

even though it's still a melee weapon

[indigo yacht]

excuses

[golden sonnet]

A pretty extensive effort was put into making projectiles not last that long in the first place as it isn't really ever relevant and just causes issues. IMO it would be better to point out the weapons this is still an issue with and just changing them than applying a global change to make certain objects and tiles not affected only sometimes which sounds pretty awful to impliment

[indigo yacht]

also,

why

queen bee larva only exist in specific, recognizable structures in one area of the world

most weapons that can go through walls can just be like
targeted at stuff that is not near the bee hive

and if it can't be targeted, don't use it

[golden sonnet]

yeah, and again a ton of projectiles were changed in the past already to avoid this issue, making something this global just seems excessive

[golden sonnet]

@unborn stream exclaimed your suggestion for these reasons, it would be better to point out what projectiles have this issue and suggest reducing their lifetime rather than a system this global

[unborn stream]

what rule does it break? it sounds to me like you simply disagree with the suggestion (which is totally fine!), rather than actually being an invalid suggestion

I would expect it to be easier to apply a change that fix all of the weapons at once rather than needing to fine tune each and every one individual weapon

but I'm not a dev so i don't really know

[indigo yacht]

"sounds pretty awful the implement" it would likely take a lot of effort

[golden sonnet]

I exclaimed it due to being effort intensive as making a global system like that to make certain vanilla tiles immune to projectiles but only sometimes based on player position that would need to account for multiple players sounds pretty awful to me. That being said, in hindsight I do not have the required knowledge to make that call as I am fairly inexperienced on the programming end and do not actually know how annoying that would be to impliment in practice. As such I will unexclaim it until someone more experienced can weigh in on it, but I still believe this is an inefficient way to adress the problem.

[errant wren]

uhhh

like there probably is a way

[sleek turret]

Can't you use that one dryad item that combines with the zoologist item

Atleast for pots

[errant wren]

you can actually

[unborn stream]

NOTE: Not all “difficult”, “hard” or “complicated” suggestions are disallowed. This rule applies exclusively to suggestions which are so vast that they would change the course of Calamity development itself, or the identity of the mod and its gameplay experience. Suggestions which are known to be difficult or complicated, but are single clearly-defined changes with limited breadth and scope, are generally allowed.

[sleek turret]

I assume it isn't really that hard to implement Queen Bee zoologist item protection on it for safety so it can be that as a suggestion

[errant wren]

dryad book thing does affect pots i think

[sleek turret]

You know, for the larva

It does

[errant wren]

so it is possible

though

[unborn stream]

I feel like if I suggested "go through every weapon in the game and meticulously adjust projectile lifespan to mitigate this issue" it would definitely get flagged lol

[errant wren]

suggs should generally avoid being specific but yeah

[sleek turret]

The pots issue can be tackled easily to be fair

[errant wren]

i don't really know what to think about it

[indigo yacht]

there are a lot of things that are technically possible in terraria. if i had to guess, implementing something that preventing sprite tiles from breaking if they're a certain distance from the player wouldn't be abhorrently difficult, it would just be pointless and possibly add an unnecessary source of lag

[unborn stream]

right and I'd say the essence of the suggestion is in the title - the body is just one proposed idea

[errant wren]

i would just like a dev opinion on viability

[sleek turret]

The Guide to Enviromental Protection item sold by the Dryad makes it so your weapons don't break any kind of enviromental thing like grass and pots

The only thing that can be addressed here is the Queen Bee larva

Which I feel it can be tackled easily

[drowsy plank]

why does calamity even still have "larva can be broken by projectiles" outside of secret seeds anyway

[sleek turret]

Make the Guide to Critter Companionship/Enviromental Protection make your weapons unable to destroy the larva

[indigo yacht]

that would probably be a more purposeful change

[sleek turret]

That's a vanilla thing either way

[golden sonnet]

This sounds solid, as it already affects pots and it something you could toggle

[sleek turret]

It's the simplest solution

Easy to implement

[indigo yacht]

maybe

[golden sonnet]

It somewhat conflicts with the items use in vanilla as vanilla doesn't make it affect any negative things and only positive things

but I think that's silly tbh

like, god forbid they actually make it useful

you could do some sick stuff with adventure maps with being able to toggle some of this stuff too

kinda dumb it doesn't work for them imo

[sleek turret]

They don't need it honestly since Vanilla doesn't add many tile-phasing weapons

[violet zephyr]

God forbid the item does what it says it will do.

[golden sonnet]

ok but being able to toggle things like cobwebs and cracked brick could be helpful

[golden sonnet]

killing cacti and eggs is definitely the enviroment

and bushes, arguably cobwebs too

if anything pots shouldn't be there

[indigo yacht]

me and my tactical guide to environmental preservation

[violet zephyr]

Accidentally breaking the cacti in my base that I purposefully placed because the item said I probably could (It couldn't).

[golden sonnet]

what?

[violet zephyr]

You can craft Rolling Cacti.

[golden sonnet]

yes, how is that relevant?

[indigo yacht]

we got craftable rolling cacti before vanilla dash keybind, tears

[unborn stream]

i do quite like the guidebook idea actually

[umbral gazelle]

@spare pond it seem a bit too specific imo

[spare pond]

@umbral gazelle maybe 🤔

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, this is very specific without any reasoning as to why, I have marked it as invalid, please read the pinned suggestions guidelines

[indigo yacht]

tbh i don't even understand what it's trying to say

is it like

instead of translating damage to adrenaline lost... every hit just does like -25%? but you can use it at any time and using early just does less damage??

[drowsy plank]

yes i think