suggestions-discussion

[unborn stream]

trust

[indigo yacht]

I'm going to, yeah

[errant wren]

20 dollars is 20 dollars

[unborn stream]

oh y'know what there's a suggestion i was gonna make but forgot to actually make it

[oblique otter]

what was it

[indigo yacht]

i wish i could cut down the last sentence because it sounds horribly clunky but whatever

also armor set jump bonus precedence at 80 votes, absolutely tragic

statigel will remain extraordinarily mid with bohb

[worthy lintel]

shimmer

[unborn stream]

i yap too much

[indigo yacht]

big fan

[lucid marsh]

Makes sense, good enough for me!

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-voting message @indigo yacht you should have a look at this

[indigo yacht]

ah. damn.

i really should have checked for that already

that's like... two and a half months ago, is that too soon?

[glass arch]

no

[sand marlin]

No

[glass arch]

plus it didnt even make it to dev

[sand marlin]

Mainly mentioned it because you may wanna take some examples from there

Specifically the part where components of one half shimmer into each other and the other half with themselves but not all of them so it's not just "buy 4 of one item and shimmer all of them" that's just pointless and ruins everything about it

Unfortunately the cellphone components are an odd number of 3 so the same thing doesn't really work for them if you were wondering

[indigo yacht]

okay, I'll add a note about that

[grave zinc]

@unborn stream - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Sound effect for the ranger point-blank damage bonus]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@indigo yacht - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Implement a method to find shrines besides getting lucky]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@indigo yacht - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Halt/Slow Biome Spread after killing Moon Lord]

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You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[median scaffold]

[drowsy plank]

@olive leaf what... exactly are you asking here even????

change what?

most of this is a pointless anecdote and then it just says the fight is hard because of the two heads and increased aggression and just ends there

ignoring the fact that if the fight is too hard you should just... turn the difficulty down, especially since master has AI changes now, this just doesn't actually state what the problem is

[olive leaf]

Hey, im sorry. Im trying my best to elaborate on an idea I had about how it'd be cool to see a mechdusa style fight later in the game, as opposed to at the skeletron fight, whereas im suggesting it chould just be a, skeletron fight. I didn't read up a whole lot on the changes since then. mb......

[novel belfry]

oblivprime shoulda been a mechdusa rework

[olive leaf]

You can remove it from suggestions if you'd like It was kind of a rough version of an idea.....

[olive saddle]

elsi cooking with suggestions

[echo leaf]

God bless Skynamite

It is perfect as is

Although this is a good point

[fleet grotto]

shield dashes as in the two bonk shields?

because good god ram dashes do not need a buff

[olive saddle]

ram dashes need the biggest fucking nerf in history and itd still be a cockroach

[crude geode]

@near seal this is just a copy paste of a suggestion to redigit from reddit. I don’t think it’s really the most relevant thing to Calamity?

Also breaks the 1000 text limit

[idle dagger]

Yoo elsi with the architect gizmo pack shimmer chain sugg?

[median scaffold]

@compact palm
So, what shield dashes are you talking about specifically?

[hollow shell]

#suggestions-posting message
@compact palm You definitely need to reword your title, here. The word "stronger" has a lot of implications and audio-visual aesthetics are not going to be people's first thought.

[compact palm]

Noted

[compact palm]

Asgardian aegis, elysian aegis and asgards valor

[compact palm]

Any tips on what i should make it ?

[median scaffold]

You basically want to buff already a little bit too good and meta items

[hollow shell]

"Give shield dashes more impactful audio-visual effects" ?

[hollow shell]

(See, this is exactly the misinterpretation I'm talking about )

[median scaffold]

Yeah, I guess it's about the sound / visual aspect, right?

[compact palm]

Yeaaah good point there

[compact palm]

I guess so? It just doesnt feel impactful, especially when tested with high velocity boots/tracers, the dashes almost MERGE with the running speed

[median scaffold]

I think they're impactful enough, to the point of slightly shaking your screen, which is not the case with GSD (iirc)

[fleet grotto]

i believe they only shake during rams

[compact palm]

Its definitely an opinion based matter, but i think we can agree theyre not that impactful when under velocity

[hollow shell]

I suppose better visuals and audio could improve the impact without requiring their acceleration or speed be buffed.

[median scaffold]

Isn't that the thing we're taking about?

[fleet grotto]

idk!

[median scaffold]

[compact palm]

Mhm, ill edit out my suggestion, should i resend it or just edit the pre existing message...?

[hollow shell]

Just edit

[near seal]

if it broke the 1000 text limit i wouldnt be able to upload would i

I feel like it could be implemented by calamity if redigit doesn't respond

just a suggestion

[hollow shell]

Discord has a 2000 character limit.

Our suggestion channels halve that, making it a 1000 character limit, enforced by a bot. This is why your suggestion has the 🗜️ reaction on it. It'll be deleted in 24 hours if you don't trim the text to below 1000.

[near seal]

thats weird

[hollow shell]

The Calamity devs have to read a lot of suggestions. They've grown to dislike suggestions which aren't able to be concise with their wording and get their point across.

Hence, the character limit.

#suggestions-posting message
Yeah nah I'm not allowing this lol
You've taken the problem and pushed it somewhere else

[median scaffold]

Reddit

Imagine a Calamity dev existing there

[tired haven]

Well, externally sourcing the suggestion to bypass the character limit had to happen someday

[frail mantle]

return of the dreaded google docs

[hollow shell]

^

[olive saddle]

ANOTHER RULE TO BREAK FOR THE FABLED TF2 MODE SUGGESTION

[indigo yacht]

now I want to do that, make a suggestion that breaks every rule it reasonably can

[hollow shell]

btw I'm exclaiming the shield dashes suggestion until they actually edit the title

[compact palm]

done

[drowsy plank]

@near seal lol lmao
#suggestions-discussion message

[hollow shell]

Title is good now
But uhh, the body not so much. Making the velocity "stack" with the player's current velocity would not be an audio-visual thing, that would be an actual practical change, something that'd affect balance.

The God Slayer Dash comparison from before wasn't bad

New visuals (like particles) and sound effects is what you ostensibly should be asking for

[near seal]

nice to see it's on the docket

[compact palm]

im ngl dude it might just need that imo... like look
the entire time i was running there i was dashing, you literally cant see any form of dash power its the same as my run

only movement accessories im using are seraph tracers

[drowsy plank]

the last thing rams need is more fucking buffs

[sand marlin]

I don't think your dash is supposed to be like that in the first place, unless you have some wild dash cooldown reduction items

You should probably not use any mods that alter your game experience in significant ways when you come up with a suggestion because I'm seeing a bunch of oddities

[compact palm]

this is honestly weird to hear, i dont see them as 'something so broken they dont need more buffs'

unless im tripping

[compact palm]

imma do a lil more testing, brb

[drowsy plank]

lol
lmao

[sand marlin]

Try fighting bosses that you usually ram a lot, without using a ram

[compact palm]

i understand theyre essential for that

but im confused on why some of the comments make it sound like theyre some rigged cheat thats overpowered?

[drowsy plank]

they're not a cheat, they are overpowered

[compact palm]

is it because they negate damage when ramming?

[drowsy plank]

i mean that's a good place to start but also having ankh shield as a free bonus on top of that isn't helping either

at least for the aegis line

this style of dash is just really fuckin strong for what it is

[compact palm]

elaborate on this?

[drowsy plank]

you can go right through bosses and it gives a ton of iframes and is incredibly generous

it's very good for aggressive playstyles that like to play close and tight, but it's also good for any playstyle because it's literally just a get out of jail free card for contact damage

using ram dashes on other mods bosses quickly demonstrates just how strong they are, and if you look at any other mod that has to balance around calamity the issues quickly begin to crop up

[compact palm]

ok, yeah, that makes sense...

[compact palm]

i did some testing with nothing but calamity, and this proved that i have a problem with some mod thats boosting my movement speed for no reason

i love it when mods dont disclose such changes :)

[drowsy plank]

lo

[indigo yacht]

if the character movement is an indication it was probably overhaul

[indigo yacht]

rams should punish you for taking contact damage

slap a 1.5x contact damage taken stat onto everything

cant wait for dog to deal more than 3000 damage 🙏

[nimble totem]

Just get the Fargo's soul of eternity and never die /j

[indigo yacht]

if the damage is calculated in the funny way you could probably get up to 3.8k

it probably isn't though

[gaunt needle]

Make rams have a bigger cooldown and add increased contact damage during this cooldown

[median scaffold]

Terraria Overhaul(?) spotted

[compact palm]

I knew it was overhaul... Even though i disabled the movement changes in its config...

[median scaffold]

Well, Terraria Overhual will differ the experience just enough to feel it either way

[tiny minnow]

In case of Overhaul… burn it alive.

[median scaffold]

Terraria Overhaul can live

[compact palm]

Im disabling it, thanks.

[tiny minnow]

Yeah

[unborn stream]

i like ram dashes primarily because they aren't the SoC bonk

but yeah they are incredibly powerful especially against worm bosses

[unborn stream]

does anybody else feel like depth cells and lumenyl don't really need to be two separate materials

they're unlocked at the exact same time and come from the exact same source and are often both used in the same recipes

[drowsy plank]

this is true

[royal tapir]

Depth Cells are used in 22 recipes
Lumenyl is used in 19 recipes
There are 3 recipes which use both

[drowsy plank]

lumenyl is still so fucking weird to me

despite dropping post leviana, it's primarily used for the post-ML stratus set

[tardy geyser]

Id rather see depth cells be removed than lumenyl

[drowsy plank]

like the only items that aren't post ML and ONLY use lumenyl are tenebreus tides, apoctolith, and lumenous amulet

everything else either uses depth cells or is post-ML

i think lumenyl should honestly just be moved

[tardy geyser]

Lumenyl looks cool and is mined

Yeah moving it to post polter or smth would work

[drowsy plank]

personally i would just have lumenyl exist in the world from the start, but make it only mineable with like, a lunar pick or something idk

[fleet grotto]

I'd say picksaw+ but there doesn't need to be another abyss thing post golem

[unborn stream]

idk about how others play but I've never mined for lumenyl

you have to go all the way down to the void as opposed to farming easy enemies at higher layers

[drowsy plank]

yeah me neither BUT it is the more interesting method to get it

[unborn stream]

lumenyl definitely would feel at least a little more distinct if it were mined only yeah

[unborn stream]

also i stand corrected, the diving gear upgrade uses both as well as an important rogue accessory, so my brain just extrapolated that to "most recipes" lol

[distant gyro]

dw lumenyl drops were removed from most enemies

[unborn stream]

oh are they? i didn't see that in the changelogs

[distant gyro]

awesome discovery from some months ago

[unborn stream]

okay but those aren't the easy-to-farm upper layer enemies

viperfish, laser fish, etc

[drowsy plank]

oh cool i was going to suggest removing them since this is what the drop table looks like rn

[distant gyro]

new sources i think are corvina and wyrm

exclusively

[unborn stream]

corvina is the fish alert guy right? the one at high layers that also drops voidstone?

[echo leaf]

if depth cells are removed then maybe abyss enemies can be buffed to make lumenyl mining tougher, and to balance it out buff abyss detection mechanics. Then the Abyss feels more dangerous and exciting

[unborn stream]

actually yeah the whole depth cells thing is a bit weird to me (disclaimer i do not have much experience with the depths so i could be misinterpreting), adding a reward/need for killing enemies in a stealth mission?

in the void it makes more sense, the enemies are stronger and it actually matters to try to pick them off without having them all notice you

[dense ferry]

I am of the opinion that the stealth mechanic might just end up being nuked when we change some Abyss enemies or at least be rendered a very minor thing

[echo leaf]

Ah, unfortunate

[dense ferry]

It'd require us to change a lot of the Abyss generation to work and I think it's not worth it

[echo leaf]

Valid

[unborn stream]

I wouldn't complain tbh, it is quite different to how the rest of the game operates, I was playing with a friend earlier and they personally didn't appreciate the forced change of pace

[dense ferry]

I think the most we could do would be making breath and stealth intertwined, as in

Breath does not drain in the Abyss passively anymore, unless you get hit

And the more you get hit, the faster it drains

[echo leaf]

That’s a valid compromise, I think.

[dense ferry]

But that'd also change the whole dynamic of the Abyss to something I would not be interested in

[unborn stream]

that would be nice actually, make it so you want to avoid hits, but not making it basically a nohit like it is now with amidias' blessing

[dense ferry]

I like the Abyss because of how it actually incentivizes the player to be faster to get all of the resources they need

[unborn stream]

interesting

to me it incentivizes playing more slowly and carefully

[dense ferry]

I think what should be done is that remaining undetected should simply be easier, and hitting any enemy in the Abyss while undetected makes them take more damage while also increasing their drops

[unborn stream]

now that I'm thinking about it, this is because of amidias' blessing isn't it

[dense ferry]

Probably

Which is being nuked next update so

[unborn stream]

lets you choose between fast and risky vs slow and safe

[echo leaf]

Amidas’ Blessing is a problem in its own right

I also set up a Teleporter for this run. I flick a switch and boom, layer 2

If layer 4 becomes an issue then I can set up a teleporter for there too

[tardy geyser]

Make teleporters give chaos state

[unborn stream]

me with no pylon restrictions mod: (which i decided to specifically not use for the abyss lol)

speaking of materials that feel redundant, perrenial

green plantlike ore immediately before plantera vs green plantlike ore immediately after plantera

[tardy geyser]

So true

[dense ferry]

Actually I'm pretty sure we did this with

Return Potions

They give you like, a second of Chaos State upon returning

Which spawns PW

[unborn stream]

based

[tardy geyser]

Nice

[dense ferry]

Though we wouldn't do it with Teleporters because it's a lot harder to set them up

[tardy geyser]

Teleporters and pylons could do that too, but the work around is just to dig a hole in the abyss and place them outside it

[unborn stream]

my favorite idea I've come up with for this is just make perennial be crafted from chlorophyte + living shards (and probably make plantera drop more living shards per kill)

but like idk

[sand marlin]

My favorite transportation method

Hoik train

Almost beaten out by hoik loop

[golden sonnet]

Yeah, I pretty much always hoik into the final layer of abyss super early

Mostly because I play multiplayer and use terminus as a despawn tool

Especially with the queen bees in gfb like holy fuck

It was like babysitting toddlers but 40% the time I'm the toddler that caused it

[echo leaf]

I was using Infernum so I had Wayfinder

But using it to skip into the Abyss is mega lame

[echo leaf]

Or just blow up the conversion rate. Like, 60 chlorophyte bars/ore and one living shard makes perennial

[drowsy plank]

it's just being moved to being a special ore type in the vernal pass

i think

something like that

i dont even think it's "perrenial ore" anymore

it's like some kind of tree bark, or so ive heard
no idea if those are still the plans, but perrenial is very much on The List rn

[glass arch]

welcome back uelibloom its like you never left

[royal tapir]

what

[gilded citrus]

Ah so return potions use primordial light

Oops ping

[dense ferry]

Wdym?

I'm not going insane am I?

[royal tapir]

I think you are going insane

🐱

[golden sonnet]

I think that might be an infernum thing?

[dense ferry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/767950470874398720/956000393773604874/E7cOxZZWQAE_I3C.gif

No I remember discussing it on Dev

I thought it was implemented

[glass arch]

ur going insane

[royal tapir]

Are you thinking of making Teleportation Potions no longer teleport you into the Abyss

[dense ferry]

No, I am 100% sure I discussed making Return Potions spawn PW upon returning

But it was a good while back

[royal tapir]

Checking the code says that Calamity makes no changes to Potion of Return

[glass arch]

yeah reb is going insane

[golden sonnet]

I mean, she did discuss it

just was never implimented

[royal tapir]

Looking up "potion of return" in caldev gives the most recent use being nalyddd suggesting it purely for spawning Eidolists for a low% run

Awesome

[golden sonnet]

leaked

[drowsy plank]

🤯

[royal tapir]

Rebecca jumpscare

(So scary!)

[royal tapir]

Actually it's been in the code the entire time and everyone was hallucinating I fear

[maiden quartz]

could've made it a perfect loop ..

[median scaffold]

That's just evil

[boreal lichen]

Nah it will get it's own biome

[golden sonnet]

wtf, reb can't be right

that's not allowed

[indigo yacht]

I've not really seen anyone interact with it anyways, i think like once or twice

[glass arch]

quick patch it out make reb wrong

[golden sonnet]

finally, a task for me

[grim tusk]

i could probably just make some of the dont dig up special AI for wulfrum enemies apply to every world

[indigo yacht]

i kind of preferred the slightly tactical aspect of convincing one of the robots to fly into the wall, especially since the drones are really hard to deal with early game

[fleet grotto]

#suggestions-voting message i feel like i should remake this

because i like the idea but looking back at it god damn my reasoning was ass

[zinc socket]

Fellas, where should I report Cirrus selling candles for cheaper than she's buying them for?

Should it go into bug reports? Should I still attach a log they're asking for?

[golden sonnet]

If it happens with calamity only then make a bug report yes, and logs are required as they show if your mods are updated and what your mod list is even if the error may not be in the log

[zinc socket]

Oh I see, fair enough then. Should I check myself before reporting? I doubt any of the mods I use are causing this, but that's not much of a hustle

Check with every mod except calamity turned off I mean

[golden sonnet]

If possible testing with just calamity would be good to ensure it's not a conflict yeah

You can test in a copy of your world if you want to be extra safe

[zinc socket]

Yep, still there

[royal tapir]

This got fixed a while ago

[tropic yoke]

I feel like this suggestion and the one below it mesh together really well

[indigo yacht]

ah yes because calamity is balanced around multiplayer

[tropic yoke]

Oh shit wait I thought it said information accessory shimmer

[indigo yacht]

iirc

they made the traveling merchant informational accessories shimmerable

[tropic yoke]

Like into other merchant accessories or the items they join either to craft the 3in1s?

[indigo yacht]

other merchant accessories

[tropic yoke]

Hmmm

The way you get all the info accessories is really weird

[median scaffold]

@junior moat
No

[indigo yacht]

@junior moat please read the suggestions document

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1dRB4W_bVX7qj_wAwi-w2E6MTitvIpg0xafeAvKDsLyU/mobilebasic

[errant wren]

i read that sugg and

[median scaffold]

Firstly, yeah, check the rules
Secondly, as far as I know, it is getting a resprite

[errant wren]

what

[junior moat]

okay

sorry

should i delte

[median scaffold]

Preferably, if you don't have actual reasoning besides... uhh, the look

[median scaffold]

Well, they have a point, but......

[errant wren]

i know what those look like

what does purified gel look like

i

[junior moat]

im sry it just has bugged me my entire playthrough it looks exactly like a pad to me for some weird reason 😭

[junior moat]

oh boy

[errant wren]

i have literally never interpreted purified gel as looking like that

[median scaffold]

I've never did that either

[errant wren]

frankly i still don't see it

[junior moat]

i guess infernum has taken chucks out of my brain

[sleek turret]

https://tenor.com/view/bart-gif-10772992697557604663

[tropic yoke]

Wait what??

What’d I miss?

[indigo yacht]

one sentence nothing suggestion

[tropic yoke]

Someone call statigel a tampon or sumn?

[indigo yacht]

purified gel

[tropic yoke]

Ngl

Kinda goated suggestion I totally see it that’s hilarious

Might’ve ruined SG for me lol

[novel belfry]

what

[grizzled dome]

Why does Delicious Meat even still exist? I'm tempted to suggest its removal, honestly.

[drowsy plank]

funny

[grizzled dome]

Because the only way to get it is from Permafrost, and if you put him in the snow (and you will), he also sells ice cream. ...except ice cream costs 4 times as much and gives the same buff for less than half as long.

[grizzled dome]

Fair enough, I guess? I never really thought about it until today.

[drowsy plank]

by funny i mean it's used a lot in CCR and CalVal lol

[grizzled dome]

...huh.

whats CalVal again? Calamity's Vanities? Surely not, right?

[glass arch]

that is what it is

[median scaffold]

Are we not removing items because they are used in CCR?

[glass arch]

yes

[novel belfry]

Delicious Meat should give you an extra good buff on top of it

[drowsy plank]

it's bc it's a very big meme and a big part of the mod because of it in turn

[grave zinc]

@indigo yacht - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Halt/Slow Biome Spread after killing Moon Lord]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@indigo yacht - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Implement a method to find shrines besides getting lucky]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[lucid marsh]

Wow

[median scaffold]

[thin hazel]

unfortunate

[umbral gazelle]

@radiant urchin sorry to be that guy but sea king is named amidias not admias

[radiant urchin]

mb lol

[median scaffold]

@vapid hill
First of all, this probably falls under the "specific item suggestion" rule
And second, what is the reason for adding new throwing bricks variants?

[sand marlin]

Consumable rogue weapons are dying. Only the specific one you get right at the start stays consumable

[median scaffold]

Also that

[sand marlin]

This directly conflicts with non Soon™️ plans

[median scaffold]

However, throwing bricks are an exception, so I didn't type about it

[vapid hill]

But if it required throwing bricks to upgrade to a specific ore with its own abilities it might make it more useful

Also make rarer ores (e.g post moon non consumable

[sand marlin]

Firstly, above all else, you cannot suggest more consumable rogue weapons. As stated above the ones that still exist except for a singular item are going to stop being consumable so there is no way around this.

[vapid hill]

Making it require other items from that progression point might make it less just a bar that you throw and an endless supply of bars that you have modified to return to you

[median scaffold]

...what?

If you want an upgrade to throwing bricks, Apoctolith exists

[vapid hill]

Make it similar to that, but use different ores and other craftables from the progression point that the ore is from

[median scaffold]

Okay, sure. But for what reason? To just give us more rogue weapons?

[vapid hill]

Yeah

[unborn stream]

that abyss pylon suggestion could do with a period, took me a while to understand it

[median scaffold]

Throwing Brick is already relatively useful when it is obtained first — literally first minutes into the game, and there are enough rogue weapons on other stages of progression

[vapid hill]

Rouge doesn’t have too many progression based weapons that I know of apart from the seraphim line

[median scaffold]

There are 2 miracle matter weapons

[vapid hill]

As in not using other weapons

[median scaffold]

[vague bramble]

[median scaffold]

Do you want to add more weapons just because one weapon doesn't have more than one upgrade?

Here's your "I can use weapons from this line up until endgame!" weapon
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Celestus/Crafting_tree

[steep patrol]

More weapon=more possible side grade which can be good but if it get added but have other option at that tier that is better then it just become weapon bloat

[median scaffold]

Yeah

[unborn stream]

question: is anybody else weirdly bothered by calamity structures using actuated and painted blocks?

idk why it annoys me so much

i guess it feels to me like, the builds that look good are supposed to be the players', right

like imagine you go to create a painting and there's already stuff on the canvas

[gilded citrus]

Eh, you can either play with it ir just bomb it

[indigo yacht]

i hope this means they have other plans and aren't just going to leave these are horrid rng checks forevermore

i mean it probably does

would be stupid if it didn't

[tropic yoke]

:(

Oh nvm my discord is stuphid

[indigo yacht]

i am curious why this one didn't pass

idrc though lmao

[drowsy plank]

@vapid hill this suggestion has no reasoning so im flagging it

[nimble totem]

Not really. It makes as much sense as structures have bg walls, as long as it fits the style it's fine

[indigo yacht]

i like actuation and painting, what i do not like is actuated stuff like the archives pillars and the vernal pass island tree because they often get in the way of building arenas which is annoying

not really anything you can do about that unfortunately besides just swapping them to walls

[ripe owl]

or removing them altogether but that's not a good solution

[distant gyro]

its not the intention of the structures but i actually like the idea that those structures use such techniques

its fun to dissect how those structures are built, and to a player unfamiliar with building techniques but wanting to build something cool it could give an idea of how to

[indigo yacht]

i wish there was a way to do actuation without it interfering with arenas though, it's not a big issue but it's a minor annoyance

[distant gyro]

plus they are always available for alteration and thats how several people come up with bases of their own

allowing you to change or extend whats there if you choose not to make one of your own

[distant gyro]

personally i would pitch a way to make platforms on actuated tiles at re logic

[indigo yacht]

trueee

[nimble totem]

Maybe even placing any block on actuated tiles. Since you can't place blocks on normal tiles, there wouldn't be any problem there, but activating the actuator with two blocks on it would swap which one's active

[drowsy plank]

@polar bison sorry this violates like 3 different suggestion rules

like this is both future content and reimplementation

also im not sure what turning it into a critter accomplishes

you're just making a new NPC at that point

why not just ask for ocean critters?

[polar bison]

I like sea urchins 🥺

If they get shrunken down into a critter they mitigate the original issue that garners their removal, that being enemy bloat

[drowsy plank]

i mean this doesnt change my point

why not just ask for ocean critters instead of trying to turn this enemy into one, because you'd need to make a new sprite and new AI and at that point it's not even the same thing

[polar bison]

That is fair, and I do think there needs to be more ocean critters

I just think Sea Urchins turning into one would be a step in the right direction

[indigo yacht]

ok then make a suggestion for ocean critters and offer sea urchins as a possible example

[polar bison]

Good point I’ll get on it 🫡

[glass arch]

well tbf both urchins still would need a resprite because

what the fuck are these

[drowsy plank]

this is true

[polar bison]

Yeah I saw a resprite posted recently on calart and was flabbergasted it was rejected cuz like

What are those even supposed to be

[novel belfry]

what crispy is referring to

[glass arch]

#459252132068065280 message yeah that isnt even recent

thats from

almost a year ago

[indigo yacht]

that resprite is kind of just a slightly more polished version of the same mess

[drowsy plank]

mhm

[dense ferry]

The Ocean might be the LEAST empty biome in the entire Mod when it comes to enemies

Cal adds like, 5 enemies on top of the already existing ones

[fleet grotto]

the already existing ones being like 5 already

so many enemies for one biome

[fleet grotto]

but they're saying it feels empty, something i somewhat agree with

somewhat

[dense ferry]

The Ocean feels empty because the generation sucks dick

[fleet grotto]

true!

[dense ferry]

And that's not our job to fix

[fleet grotto]

also like 3/5 of the vanilla enemies are rare

(sharks are rare you can't convince me otherwise)

[dense ferry]

I already think the Ocean is perfectly fine anyways, that biome just shouldn't be an actual biome

I vastly prefer it as just a neat building site

[fleet grotto]

ttue

[dense ferry]

Making towns in the Ocean goes hard

[golden sonnet]

eh, I think it could be decent to just like, make the ocean cave guaranteed. It doesn't fix a lot of the issues but would still make the ocean much better imo

[fleet grotto]

i remember making a base in the ocean

My main base

[dense ferry]

I'd be fine with that

[fleet grotto]

something i came to regret once hardmode started

[dense ferry]

I meant more so "it's not our job to fix the Ocean"

[tropic yoke]

fortune 500 companies be like

[dense ferry]

I'm really tired of hearing people go "do something about the Vanilla biomes"

[fleet grotto]

make the underground desert 5% bluer

[dense ferry]

"Make Corruption cooler!!" no fuck you we aren't going to fix the problems with Vanilla biomes when we have 5 of our own to work on

[tropic yoke]

I think it's better to look at plain biomes as an opportunity to spread a mod's influence without oversaturating a region, and not a chore to be taken care of

[golden sonnet]

yeah, like throwing stormlions in the desert

it's not fixing the many issues vanilla desert has, but still allows the mods content to feel more cohesive

[indigo yacht]

that'd be cool, especially because then you could maybe make the cave itself serve some purpose, even if it's a small one (just like, housing a special item or whatever)

[lucid marsh]

ok but that's an accurate description of what an urchin is

[fleet grotto]

" Limit Fairy Boots to spawn only a few fairies at a time to make building less tedious
Fairy Boots spawn fairies naturally in Calamity. However, the limit of these fairies is quite high, potentially leading to a swarm of them surrounding the player. This can be quite annoying because you cannot place blocks on top of entities (including fairies). This means that simply wearing Fairy Boots can make building much more annoying, as they will simply block players from placing blocks where they float around. Changing the number of fairies that can spawn will make the problem much less prevalent while still keeping the unique identity of Fairy Boots."

this is a remake of an ~6 month suggestion should i post it

i want thoughts

[indigo yacht]

don't they all coalesce together

if you move around a lot

[fleet grotto]

are you moving around a lot while building

[indigo yacht]

yes

you need to gather materials and craft them into stuff, buy paints, actuators, whatever, and just move back and forth between different segments unless you're making a really small build in which case you can usually just stand a bit away and use extendo grip or whatever

also you can just unequip the boots and put something else on

[glass arch]

i dont care if its accurate

it doesnt look good

it looks like a mess

[errant wren]

i mean

what do you want out of an urchin

that's kinda just what they look like

i would've just been happy if urchins had slight color variations

[indigo yacht]

the clear solution is to remove the enemy from the game

no more shitty sprite!

[gritty plaza]

turn sea urchins into a dust

[indigo yacht]

Make defense block 1.25 points of damage in legendary mode

Since you take more damage than you do in master you should receive a defense bonus to help compensate

[golden sonnet]

is this serious?

[indigo yacht]

no

[golden sonnet]

lmao, ok good

[crude geode]

I think legendary mode should give 20 accessory slots

[indigo yacht]

I'd have written a longer body

[indigo yacht]

it would be really funny if tanking was inexplicably better in legendary than on master is all I'm saying

[frail fox]

The Sponge should be pre-boss

[drowsy plank]

that's just gfb

[indigo yacht]

see honeydew understands

[novel belfry]

Make Defense increase hp by 0.00000000001 per defense point in legendary mode

[crude geode]

[prisma sedge]

Definitely agreed here, though I've found them less annoying while playing, and more just...pointless
They can be easy to spot when you know to look for them, but when you do, they lose any ability to threaten you until you stop thinking about them and get sneak shot again

[unborn stream]

they're mainly annoying early game when you don't have knockback resistance

[prisma sedge]

Or, maybe pointless is the wrong word for that, but I feel like they don't serve as a good obstacle

[unborn stream]

and yeah you can pretty easily dodge them if you're paying attention, but in situations like acid rain that isn't exactly easy

[prisma sedge]

Fair enough, honestly! I haven't had too bad of an experience there, since I usually just stick to the surface and slash away at nuclear toads, but I can imagine that being annoying

[frail fox]

Dumb bubbles vs my ceiling of blocks

[drowsy plank]

@haughty heath this can't be implemented due to a tModLoader implementation problem

it was rejected previously because of this and i have heard no developments on fixes for it so far

[violet zephyr]

#suggestions-discussion message
Apparently, Terraria just dies when you try this.

[haughty heath]

d'aww, thats disappointing to see - are wooden signs the only furniture capable of storing text

[drowsy plank]

well there is announcement boxes but those aren't the same

the bigger problem is that signs are 2x2 and those are 3x2

[violet zephyr]

Hmm...

[drowsy plank]

just doesnt really work

[violet zephyr]

Cog, what do you think of a suggestion asking for a tile such as the Laboratory Screen, but as a 2x2 sign instead. Would that be overstepping the boundraries of "specific item"?

[drowsy plank]

no clue

[indigo yacht]

also this suggestion doesn't have any reason

[haughty heath]

my bad, ill revise my post has been updated

[hollow idol]

2x2 sign will exist if someone sprites it

no need to pass through suggestions

[novel belfry]

YOU HEARD EM

[violet zephyr]

Split it in half. Clearly that would work.

[distant gyro]

yeah as it turns out terraria sign data corrupts if you try to make a 3x2 sign

its incredible

[indigo yacht]

this isn't even spaghetti code anymore this is like nuclear pasta code

[crude geode]

Always has been

cue lava slime nuking the code

[distant gyro]

i have mingled into a lot of terraria's dusty nooks like tile painting and the chatbox and like player eyes and sleep animation and whatever

[novel belfry]

okay im genuinely interested in trying to sprite this even tho i have zero spriting experience in years

[distant gyro]

signs are truly untouchable

[violet zephyr]

Simply pester the TMod developers. I'm sure they don't mind touching that instead.

[novel belfry]

no but i probably could just cobble it together from ingame draedon sprites and make a placeholder

[indigo yacht]

oh boy boss rush!

they should add rdr to boss rush to make it even worse than it already is

[violet zephyr]

Boss Rush order is based on intended progression.

[unborn stream]

lava slimes had me so confused i just wanted an orange banner 😭

[indigo yacht]

er, better, better, i meant better

[novel belfry]

what if we change the intended progression so that CalClone follows Plantera

[bold bison]

exactly, nothing about Plantera or Cal Clone's summoning really suggests that one should go before the other

[indigo yacht]

that applies to like 80% of boss summons, probably more

[bold bison]

yup

[indigo yacht]

why should a giant floating brain go before a skeleton

[rugged belfry]

Why not have all of them spawn at the same time

[golden sonnet]

just buff plantera in boss rush then? it wouldn't make sense for boss rush to be different than the actual game

[bold bison]

I mean, I meant in terms of "Plantera's summoning item doesn't require items dropped only by Cal Clone" but sure I guess

[unborn stream]

make the game keep track of the order you beat bosses in and then use that for boss rush

[bold bison]

or, hell, keep their ordering the same and just move the start of tier 3 to after Cal Clone and before Plant

[indigo yacht]

calclone also doesn't require drops from plantera, and neither use any drops from any bosses prior besides wall of flesh

[bold bison]

so you're agreeing with me

"that's the order of progression" isn't an argument

[rugged belfry]

This is a genuine idea tbh

[violet zephyr]

No, they're saying your arguement is bad.

[unborn stream]

or make the boss rush order semi random

[indigo yacht]

flawed, not bad

[violet zephyr]

The order of progression isn't forced by locks.

[bold bison]

then what's it forced by?

[rugged belfry]

It's based on vibes

[violet zephyr]

Nothing. You can have Lunatic Cultist as your first Hardmode boss. If you mean who decides it, that would be the developers.

[bold bison]

and I'm giving reasons why the developers could change that decision

:because it makes the boss rush progression better while having literally no impact on the rest of the game

[unborn stream]

wait make the game more linear just so the boss rush can make sense? no thank you

[bold bison]

you're just saying "because that's how it is" I'm sorry that's not an argument at all

[bold bison]

"while having literally no impact on the rest of the game"

you can not like the suggestion but don't misrepresent what I'm saying please

[violet zephyr]

Boss Rush's order is based on the order of progression. It won't be changed unless the developers decide to actually change where a boss is suited.

[unborn stream]

what decision are you referring to here then I'm confused
it sounded to me like this was a reply to "the developers decide the intended boss progression order"

[golden sonnet]

I exclaimed the suggestion for quite a few reasons:

1. calamitas is optional too if you kill ravager for ashes of calamity
2. Boss rush is entirely on intended boss order, not lore relevance or other things
3. If plantera is too easy in boss rush then buff plantera, changing it to completely disregard the established boss rush order just causes issues
4. Difficulty is subjective
5. This Identifies an issue, but then asks for one specific solution to it which falls under SRS/SiS

[bold bison]

it was, "intended" progression order, as has been argued, doesn't actually mean anything practical for a playthrough

[bold bison]

ok that's fair

[indigo yacht]

sure, but that doesn't apply to boss rush afaik

[golden sonnet]

it does because of balance, calamitas clone weapons are balanced around plantera, while plantera weapons are not balanced for calclone

[bold bison]

yup, that's reasonable

[unborn stream]

didn't boss rush have a different order in the past? not trying to make a point here just trying to find out if I'm remembering correctly

[rugged belfry]

Yes

[bold bison]

would amending the suggestion to "Make Cal Clone last boss of tier 2 and Plant first boss of tier 3" still be too specific?

[rugged belfry]

I believe it used to be based on community input

[languid pollen]

it was based on votes in the past

(terrible ordering imho)

[violet zephyr]

Yes. I believe it was based on community vote on which bosses was liked the most, and found hardest.

[rugged belfry]

I preferred old order tbr

[indigo yacht]

cant wait for boss rush to be removed from the game

[unborn stream]

what are the tiers in boss rush? I've never tried it before so maybe this could be a helpful perspective — I'd find it most intuitive for the final boss of tier 1 to be WoF and the final boss of tier 2 to be ML

[languid pollen]

scal was before yharon and DoG 💔

[bold bison]

not sure why your arguments seem to basically amount to "I hate boss rush" but ok

personally it's one of my favourite parts of the game

[languid pollen]

i hate boss rush

[indigo yacht]

don't conflate my comments to other people's well-structured criticisms

[novel belfry]

Boss Rush's only reason why it's not getting nuked is because CDMusic made godtier music for it, so it'd be a huge waste if a good portion of his work on calamity was rendered unused

thats my assumption at least

[indigo yacht]

I'm just whining because i think br is stupid

[bold bison]

don't worry I was only directing that comment at you lol

[rugged belfry]

It is based around pre-HM, early HM, post-Plantera, post-Moon Lord, and then the big trio (Yharon, Exo, Scal)

[unborn stream]

oh there are more than three tiers? idk why I assumed there were only three lol

[bold bison]

5

[rugged belfry]

Ofc order isn't linear so there's some overlap with certain bosses across tiers

[unborn stream]

what makes yharon part of "the big trio"? don't you need to kill him first and then you have a choice between the other two?

to me he just looks like another stepping stone like DoG

[golden sonnet]

It's still a little specific but I don't really see any issue with it

[indigo yacht]

maybe just personal preference, but I've always considered yharon to be the third final boss

[bold bison]

I will amend the suggestion with your input then, thank you

[unborn stream]

do we have a rough idea of how many bosses will eventually be between scal/exos and yharim?

[rugged belfry]

Dunno there's just three of them in the last tier so I called it the big trio

[indigo yacht]

0

[unborn stream]

interesting

[indigo yacht]

honestly i consider calamity to have 4 final bosses despite my absolute hatred for dog, but i think that's primarily fancy

[unborn stream]

then personally I'd probably look at it as like, a "big five" including yharim

since they're all required and important characters

[indigo yacht]

and then we can pretend noxus and xeroc are real for 7 final bosses!!!!!!!!!

horay!

[unborn stream]

real (i think)

[bold bison]

alright, suggestion amended

[nimble totem]

Isn't the rock you get also used for a few things?

[ripe owl]

no?

its only use is to place it

[indigo yacht]

calval brainrot

[novel belfry]

only a monolith

at least in base cal

[nimble totem]

Oh

[glass arch]

its shimmered into the monolith but other than that it dont do shit

[ripe owl]

oh yeah monolith

[nimble totem]

...i might be thinking Fargo's dlc then lmao

[olive saddle]

yea the rock is used for nothing

[glass arch]

oh suggbot is down

i would ping nycro about it but i already pinged him about calart bot being down

[violet zephyr]

Then I'll do the honour.

[golden sonnet]

Reaction removed, I don't see any real issues with it anymore

[violet zephyr]

@inland saddle The suggestions bot is also dead, if you were not already aware.

[glass arch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1172704035825000580/1279282476769869909/caption.gif

[bold bison]

my thanks

[unborn stream]

what are y'all's thoughts on defense damage?

i think it's cool but feels out of place because nothing affects it (ie no accessories to mitigate it or anything)

[violet zephyr]

Fine.

[sand marlin]

#suggestions-voting message

[unborn stream]

but also it feels like its purpose is simply to nerf tank builds

[frail fox]

There is Bloodflare Core but that’s about it

[sand marlin]

Its purpose is nerfing facetanking specifically to not make it free to utilize. If it's doing anything else it's probably not doing great

[unborn stream]

what i both like and dislike about it is it makes normal enemies able to be a threat

[violet zephyr]

Is this the recent one that didn't get much traction, which I speculated to be because it was too wordy?

[sand marlin]

That was 5 and a half months ago, if that counts

[violet zephyr]

...

Damn.

[sand marlin]

Idk either 4 or 5 w/e

[glass arch]

~5 months

[unborn stream]

i feel like sorta on a fundamental level, preventing facetanking was what potion sickness was supposed to do

[sand marlin]

Well we know that would've never worked

[unborn stream]

allow you to take hits, but if you take too many hits too fast, you lose

game balance is complicated

[distant gyro]

well

the apex of facetanking is you taking no damage so it defeats the necessity of a heal pot in the first place

[glass arch]

yeah

[distant gyro]

you outheal the damage source perpetually indefinitely

[sand marlin]

Even if you had no regen, as long as you killed the boss without moving an inch that's still called facetanking

Or even actively tried to get on it

[unborn stream]

mhmm

[sand marlin]

Just uhh different purpose, not one for ultimate flex

[glass arch]

potion sickness is to make you not instantly immortal

defense damage is to make it way harder for you to be any sort of immortal

[sand marlin]

Yeah that would've been something

Glass cannons facetanking

[unborn stream]

terraria but pressing quick heal removes 1 frame from the potion sickness timer

I'm sorry i should probably go to bed lol, I was looking for an interesting discussion and i found one but i am not currently smart enough to participate

[steep patrol]

Draedon heart used to reduce defense damage taken

Also right now barrier mitigate defense damage

[unborn stream]

so it's like, the classic problem of wanting to make sure getting hit = bad but you also want to give the players a way of making it less bad but also want to make sure they can't make it not bad

[steep patrol]

They could also remove defense damage but reduce the amount of defense you can have but buffed Regen but that will bring another problem

The ideal of defense damage is you cannot take hit consecutively

[novel belfry]

its confusing

[median scaffold]

And the shields came into equation, deleting defense damage because

[unborn stream]

okay maybe the issue actually is it makes it matter less how hard the hits actually are

[sand marlin]

Consecutive isn't quite the right term

[unborn stream]

like sure you can't facetank a boss but you also can't take a moment to switch around your inventory during an invasion you're over tier for

[sand marlin]

Chainhits will happen pretty often regardless and being punished too much for that goes into elitist territory, you wanna make sure you can avoid punishing a player too heavily when they aren't trying to facetank

[unborn stream]

yeah or, I'm realizing, when they're allowed to facetank

[sand marlin]

Elitist territory is fine in difficulty stuff but Revengeance is The Intended Experience not the difficulty mode

[unborn stream]

as in how do you tell if the player is minmaxing or if they're just already past that part of progression

[steep patrol]

Defense damage from non boss enemy used to be non threatening but because they both use the same formular (defense damage=some amount of "damage taken") which in late game will eventually get toned down to 1 damage or a little more which does not reduce your defense or doesn't do much so later they rework it to "damage mitigated by defense" instead so non boss enemy with low damage but have defense damage still deal high amount of defense damage (especially when 100% of their damage is blocked by defense)

[distant gyro]

dw thats me all the time

[distant gyro]

to be fair enemies are also less... damaging

and most probably more susceptible to getaway tactics or Wall of blocks

[errant wren]

knockback immunity turns into kb resistance, beef up bosses' knockback, people get sent further away which might reduce chain hits (?), then accessories used to facetank have more of the kb resistance where defense damage could accomplish the goal of preventing it in the first place

idk

i just thought of that

probably out of the scope of the mod

[sand marlin]

Not happening until you fix knockback in the first place, I can tell you that much

KB resistance is coming but to warp current kb immunities would be pretty bad

[distant gyro]

knockback can be wildly out of your control so it either reduces chain hits or just sends you to more of them

[errant wren]

i feel like everything has the same knockback

not that i would know

i gain immunity to it

[humble scarab]

Same

It would be fun to have an enemy with high knockback like the atlas arm

[unborn stream]

what if instead of defense damage it was damage damage

[median scaffold]

What if instead of damage damage it was defense defense?

[humble scarab]

What if instead of defense defense it was damage defense?

[olive saddle]

every boss gives you a temporary defense bonus

[distant gyro]

does defense defense imply the boss increasing in bulk if they can't kill you so you can't kill them either

battle between 2 immovable objects

[olive saddle]

-# standing here...

[fleet grotto]

Raiden was very much movable

atp make critters for the evil biomes

they have much less enemy variety than the ocean, which has like, 10 enemies and a respectable 3 critters

[median scaffold]

I think the issue with the ocean is the lack of interesting terrain

Sulphurous Sea has basically 2 on ground and another 2 underwater enemies pre-HM (as far as I remember), but it doesn't feel as empty as ocean does

[fleet grotto]

i blame all the ocean enemies being rare

[median scaffold]

It has 4 critters, btw

[fleet grotto]

oh okay

[median scaffold]

(Not counting the golden variant)

[fleet grotto]

sea turtle, seagull, dolphin, uhhh

oh seahorse

Unironically never seen one

[median scaffold]

Pink jellyfish, crabs and shark are fairly common

Let me check what Calamity has to offer

[fleet grotto]

Pink jellyfish and crabs sure

Sharks? Fuck no

[median scaffold]

Uhh...

[fleet grotto]

Just like vanilla, only two of these are somewhat common!!

[median scaffold]

Fair enough

...oh, btw, I need to redo that one Aquatic Heart suggestion

[gilded citrus]

I only knew of ???, sea urchin and moray eal

Wtf are the frogfish and box jello

[fleet grotto]

Frogfish are the guys that are invisible until you hit them or get close

They hang out at the bottom

[gilded citrus]

Ah so the place i never go except for the beggining of the game got it

[fleet grotto]

You don't hang out in the waters for ??? ?

[steep patrol]

So stone fish?

[fleet grotto]

ihatw those fuckers

[gilded citrus]

I hang out on the surface and kill it when i hear the music

[fleet grotto]

you must clearly never get ??? Spawns

[crude geode]

Complaining about ocean variety when Post ML has like. two normal enemies is certainly a choice

(I know it has more but compared to the rest of the game)

[fleet grotto]

it has like atleast fiive...

[crude geode]

Yeah and they get instantly obliterated unless their name is Scorn Eater

[gilded citrus]

Scorn eater obliterates you

[steep patrol]

Not if you eat them first

[fleet grotto]

scorn when they mean scorn eater

[crude geode]

Corn Eaters when S class Corn Eaters show up

[crude geode]

@polar bison I think you should keep in mind this dev reaction. Calamity biomes are severely lacking and if you wanna make this sugg for one of those that would be far more understandable in my eyes (such as providence critters in Hallowed biome), because you kind of just hand wave away the problem that devs wanna be focused on their own biomes primarily. Additionally, critters are arguably harder than enemies at times, considering most people will want tanks sprited of them almost immediately upon sight.

[rugged belfry]

Didn't the changelog just remove sea urchins

[visual kayak]

Hey guys! My name is Kolya and I am a musician from Russia. I write electronic music in various styles, which, in my opinion, would be very well suited as a soundtrack to Calamity mod, or another terraria mod. Below I will attach an excerpt of one of my compositions, and if you are interested in it, I will be very glad if someone contacts me. Good luck to all!

[median scaffold]

I... don't think it is the right channel to ask about working on the mod

[glass arch]

generally requests to work on cal dont go anywhere

[median scaffold]

Actually, where or to who do you even request them?

[glass arch]

the exception is like. asking where the public repo is so you can fix bugs

[glass arch]

i dont know but i know that even if you do it doesnt go anywhere

[median scaffold]

I would assume that's the case, really

[glass arch]

all the people i know that have joined caldev were added because the devs thought they were community members that would be good to have on the team, not because they asked to join

[unborn stream]

soooo why are sandstorms locked behind desert scourge? more importantly why does that warrant another status message

[indigo yacht]

what are the ds status messages again

[median scaffold]

To not annoying the player and not make them fight pretty strong enemies early game, I think?

[unborn stream]

I'm considering suggesting removing that feature entirely since it seems unnecessary

are there pretty strong enemies in pre hm sandstorms?

[indigo yacht]

the underground desert enemies are aboveground

and also the tumbler thing

[unborn stream]

cnidrions don't need sandstorms and they're like, threat #1 in early game desert

[unborn stream]

ooo you're right actually

[indigo yacht]

i think restricting sandstorms behind scourge is fine, if i had to guess you probably aren't intended to go into the underground desert until after killing it

[unborn stream]

honestly my main issue is it starting a sandstorm immediately on the first kill

[ripe owl]

something something make a cha- oh yeah those are getting reworked

[unborn stream]

how would you get the summon then?

[indigo yacht]

oh right

[unborn stream]

makes it more annoying to grind more kills on it if you want a specific drop for example

[indigo yacht]

i guess

[median scaffold]

Can you get sandstorms without killing DS?

[indigo yacht]

arid artifact

[fleet grotto]

sandstorms are simply annoying to traverse early

once you've been desert scourge you've likely proven you have enough mobility to not get fucked over by it

[median scaffold]

This is pretty stupid

[royal tapir]

Sandstorm ban is lifted in Hardmode

[median scaffold]

The wait has begun...

[dense ferry]

@polar bison WHY DO YOU WANT MORE CRITTERS ON THE BIOME WITH THE MOST OF THEM

Like, PLEASE

LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF SHIT IN CAL'S OCEAN AND REMEMBER THAT IT'S A 100 BLOCK WIDE POND

I'm not actually mad mind you

[median scaffold]

Well, tbf, it only has 4 critters, but we don't account for enemies

Btw, Rebecca, hi!
What do you think about my suggestion? (if anything)

[dense ferry]

Yeah but 4 critters is more than enough

Specially when both Seagulls and Dolphins add natural ambience when they're around

[tardy geyser]

Add a structure like a ship wreak or lighthouse instead :3

[dense ferry]

I agree

Anyways, this will forever be my stance on the Ocean

Stop treating it as a biome

[median scaffold]

Does it have any flaws regarding either the argument itself, or the structure of the suggestion?

[dense ferry]

And stop asking us to make it feel like one, because it's impossible unless we decide to completely change its worldgen

[drowsy plank]

4 critters is 4 more than most biomes

[median scaffold]

Actually, how many critters does Astral Infection has?

[drowsy plank]

do enchanted nightcrawlers count

otherwise, twinkler, i guess

[tardy geyser]

Cal val adds a couple I think

[drowsy plank]

well that's not calamity

[tardy geyser]

ye

[drowsy plank]

otherwise i would say ocean has enough critters because calval adds like 50 lmao

[glass arch]

calval adds one not counting the golden variant

[median scaffold]

Technically it does, but... we won't count it just for the sake of it being craftable / obtainable during the meteorite rain thingy

[drowsy plank]

okay so astral infection has One

[median scaffold]

Yeah

[dense ferry]

Why wouldn't Enchanted Nightcrawlers count?

They spawn there

[median scaffold]

Do they spawn often?

[drowsy plank]

bc they're
vanilla or something idk

lo

[glass arch]

bc fuck enchanted nightcrawlers specifically

[dense ferry]

Bro we reused something creatively and now we get fucked

[median scaffold]

Because I don't see critters in Astral Infection... like, at all

Maybe it has something to do with Astral infecting my Snow biome

[tardy geyser]

Isnt there plans for one? Pebbles or smth

[median scaffold]

Astral + Snow should become a new ship

[dense ferry]

Yeah we do want to add more Critters and I never said I was against it

[glass arch]

tofus critter got second place in the critter contest ye

[dense ferry]

I'm against the wave of going "the Ocean is kinda bleh" and then saying "so you should add 35 things to it when they're already there!"

The problem with the Ocean is the worldgen.

And we are not fixing that.

[drowsy plank]

do you want me to flag this post then or

[dense ferry]

Not really

That's just my opinion, others might disagree

[drowsy plank]

aight

[median scaffold]

Sorry to bother you, Cog, but can I ask for your opinion regarding my suggestion?

[drowsy plank]

you should probably fix the typo in the title

obtain -> obtainment

[glass arch]

wow now my 100 block biome is 70 blocks

[drowsy plank]

peak! !! !

[drowsy plank]

but yeah besides fixing the typo you should mention that it's a post-Skeletron accessory that's obtainable pre-Boss that drops from a stationary spawner for a post-Plantera boss in the Ocean

like this is goofy

[median scaffold]

This really is goofy

[drowsy plank]

i think it's known that the item is stupid at this point but idk if there are even any plans to mess with it because during accessory tierlist i think people straight up forgot it existed

[median scaffold]

@random dev, do you know what Aquatic Heart is?

[glass arch]

we should forget it exists so hard that it mysteriously disappears from the code

[echo leaf]

this

nothing spawns here because the player’s “spawn blocker” covers half of it at all times

[glass arch]

@ raesh a job for you

[dense ferry]

Yeah, people just fundamentally misunderstand what's the problem with the Ocean and it's been annoying me recently

And that's a problem we can't solve unless we just decide to make our own Worldgen for it

Which is not our job

Red even mentioned wanting to do a proper expansion for it iirc

[glass arch]

either that or

people misunderstand how to fix the issue

[dense ferry]

Both

[glass arch]

adding new things to something does not make that something suddenly good

this can be seen with the clusterfuck that is post plant and post golem

[maiden quartz]

Master mode calamity...

[drowsy plank]

i did like the guarnteed ocean cave suggestion, but that's really nothing burger

like it helps but

not enough to really change much

[dense ferry]

It's about the best we can do

[median scaffold]

Oh, right, that thing exists

...however, the next question is — why does it exist?

[dense ferry]

"Ocean expansion"

[median scaffold]

Btw, I've edited the suggestion to include its goofy nature with progression

[tardy geyser]

Ye it was satire

[glass arch]

the ocean needed something and this is about as good as it gets without ripping it up and remaking it from scratch

[median scaffold]

Eh, fair

(Although I would argue it does more harm than good)

[drowsy plank]

ocean cave at least gives you enough chests to get most ocean chest items despite calamity eating one of them for sulph + abyss

[median scaffold]

Yeah, that's fair

[polar bison]

The main reason is the rarity of existing critters. The ground is just enemy bloat, while the surface is where all the critters reside

The only true aquatic critters are seahorses and they’re

So rare

[dense ferry]

Dolphins

[median scaffold]

Wouldn't be the fix for this problem is to remove the unnecessary bloat instead?

[dense ferry]

And Sea Turtles are also mostly aquatic

[median scaffold]

Also, they're not particularly rare, as far as I remember

[dense ferry]

The problem is more with the fact that nothing can spawn within the player's vision

So half the biome just gets eaten and nothing can spawn

[median scaffold]

It can, technically!

Ocean shenanigans

[tardy geyser]

Simply add a natural block that expands the ocean horizontally, like what sulphurous sand does with the sulphurous sea, what could go wrong!

[distant gyro]

isnt there like supposed to be more in the vanilla update thats coming up

[median scaffold]

This is basically sand

[tardy geyser]

Yeah but like, how would the game know to make it an ocean instead of a desert

[median scaffold]

1000+ blocks of water

Or it is non-player dependant and is created upon generating the world

[tardy geyser]

So 1000 sand and 1000 water in the middle of the world would make an ocean? Wouldnt really be a bad thing I guess

[median scaffold]

...well, the thing is, Ocean is world-dependant

[tardy geyser]

But yeah just making the natural ocean area wider would work

[median scaffold]

Tbh, it really wouldn't make things that much better besides removing the rate in which it is annoying to farm enemies (it still is annoying, but just because enemies are)

[sand marlin]

It's just sharks that are rare which to be fair do provide pretty damn good crafts

Everything else is just completionist territory in ocean

[indigo yacht]

aquatic heart always felt extremely random

[echo leaf]

I mentioned this before, yeah

someone said it was an issue with how the ocean is generated and nothing more

[novel belfry]

making it at least as wide as the Sulphurous Sea would be nice

the only reason why calamity doesn't do much with the Ocean like adding another abyss is becasue thorium alr had a underground ocean biome on the jungle side

[drowsy plank]

truly one of the funniest things of all time

[golden sonnet]

not really, thorium only influenced the side abyss spawns on

[novel belfry]

i mean but still

[nimble totem]

The ocean's good for one thing really and calamity does it better anyways-

[median scaffold]

This: #suggestions-discussion message

[errant wren]

make sharks more common, then make killing a set amount of them make ??? spawn

clearly this will go well

[median scaffold]

Well, this will increase the spawn rate of both, so I... kinda see it? Really kinda??

[indigo yacht]

remove both sharks and ??? from the game and make their drops accessible via fishing

[median scaffold]

[errant wren]

sand sharks

[median scaffold]

Elsi, stop cooking

You've burnt our house twice

[errant wren]

Elsi, please

[indigo yacht]

no

[errant wren]

i live in california i don't need this

[indigo yacht]

ok fine

shark fins will henceforth be crafted out of stone blocks and leather

[errant wren]

[median scaffold]

Stop, you've built at least 2 buildings with this sentence 💔

[indigo yacht]

aquatic heart can be bought from the guide

[median scaffold]

Cog, PLEASE, stop this man
He's rebuilding the industrial revolution at this point

[indigo yacht]

i should make a mod some day that markets itself as some shitty qol cheat mod but instead does all of this absurd bullshit

also the crash button

[drowsy plank]

CCR 2

[indigo yacht]

terraria community remix 🫡

[indigo yacht]

every 5 minutes a random key is chosen to be the button that, when pressed, instantly crashes the game

no indicators

[median scaffold]

Btw, do you have anything to say about the suggestion?

Before I eventually crash out, ofc

[indigo yacht]

no

[median scaffold]

Okay, what's the crash button...

[indigo yacht]

;

[tardy geyser]

#suggestions-voting message Any news on this? Apollyon would be a good replacement name for void of extinction imo

[fleet grotto]

is this not a balance thingymibob

[drowsy plank]

i believe you are correct yes

[whole tundra]

It's not, it is a rework/remove accessory suggestion regarding a bloat accessory

Void of Calamity is indeed just avenger emblem + fire rain upon taking damage, despite not being related to them in any way

[drowsy plank]

eh

[whole tundra]

@tardy geyser I think it would be better if you leave the damage parts out of the suggestion

[drowsy plank]

idk another mod can make the call on this

[tardy geyser]

Yep just changed it 👍

[whole tundra]

If I got in charge of changing Void of Calamity, I would probably make it something like, lower hp = less hp regen and vice versa

[north oracle]

this isn't balance, it's just that the item needs a rework

[errant wren]

the information about damage was just to show how bland of an item it is, imo

[whole tundra]

Alongside being able to sacrifice like a third of your hp to deal 1.5 times as much damage for a few seconds

[errant wren]

sble

anyways

void of calamity is there

the only calamity is just how it works as of now

[fleet grotto]

brimflame armor set into an accessory

[tardy geyser]

Yeah something thats a trade off would be good, a bit like enchantments. She is calamitas' clone after all.

[whole tundra]

I forgot that existed

Time to write a rework suggestion about brimfl-

[errant wren]

rework brimstone-themed items

[nimble totem]

Vulnerability Hex Install for X buff

Debuff install is much more interesting imo than just losing hp

[novel belfry]

Safi'jiva armor set skill

[tardy geyser]

Clone drops 3 accessories, ravager as well

[novel belfry]

the good ol days

[novel belfry]

oh man

[crude geode]

legendary fail

[fossil finch]

They hate you but you're right

[lucid marsh]

I do think there's a kind of satisfaction in big crafting trees of useful accessory lines that has been diminished, though it still exists for some weapons

But they can also just be a pain

[drowsy plank]

this thing was just a frog leg with bonus points

at least with the seven stat sticks removed the focus of the accessory is actually on the interesting part instead of just numbers

[novel belfry]

agreed

[drowsy plank]

sadly it is in dev hell rn
one day we will get good and interesting HotE

[novel belfry]

that said many of the non-summon materials have since been reworked

[drowsy plank]

except bloom stone

[novel belfry]

ya....

[drowsy plank]

fucking bloom stone

[novel belfry]

Aero Stone is a special flight-boosting accessory, Cryo Stone humorously also summons something, albeit a ring around oneself (and multiples cold debuffs), and Chaos Stone is a novel complementary accessory to the Mana Flower that damages you instead of reducing your magic damage

now mind you, one of those is a mage-class specific accessory...

also apparently those 4 stones were originally intended to be a way to spawn specific ores

[drowsy plank]

perennial, scoria, cryonic, yeah

[novel belfry]

no.

not perennial

UELIBLOOM

[drowsy plank]

goofy

[novel belfry]

almost as if the stone is called BLOOM

[fleet grotto]

ueliBOOM!!!

[errant wren]

i love the yeah ore

pretty strong item set post-golem

[valid coral]

add eye of rah

[hearty trail]

to be fair, if you removed delicious meat from ccr, it is very likely we would just put it back in

we already did that for coldheart

[drowsy plank]

true

[median scaffold]

Move your attention to things that actually need a rework

[glass arch]

brimflame is fine for an armor set

especially a mage one

[median scaffold]

Yeah

[median scaffold]

@cerulean lotus
No

[cerulean lotus]

u dont see the vision

[median scaffold]

Jokes aside, your suggestion lacks basically anything and breaks one of the rules

[cerulean lotus]

i know

[median scaffold]

...did you send it just because?

[golden sonnet]

No joke suggestions, please follow the rules outlined in the pinned document

[frail mantle]

PoE2 demon form

[inland saddle]

I’ll have this back up later today

Haven’t had access to the VMs

[drowsy plank]

there's got to be a better way to do this than the 18th recipe

[kindred creek]

made some slight changes

[unborn stream]

shimmer muramasa

[kindred creek]

ooh, that's a good idea

post dog, shimmering Muramasa turns it into murasama

[sand marlin]

Doesn't really need to be post DoG tbh

[kindred creek]

i guess

[kindred creek]

you want me to tag you in the suggestion? It's your idea.

[unborn stream]

idc lol

not like making a suggestion gets your name in the credits or anything lol

[drowsy plank]

dont tag people in suggestions it's pointless

[glass arch]

what does this suggestion mean

[drowsy plank]

@vocal moth incomprehensible specific item suggestion

[vocal moth]

Really?

I thought i wrote fine

[drowsy plank]

you want another multi-class set, which i can discern as much, but you don't explain why this is necessary, or where it would go, and you detail an incredibly specific implementation of it

[vocal moth]

Alr got it mb

[drowsy plank]

if you want a pre-Provi ranged/melee set, you should explain why exactly it is necessary and what it accomplishes that isn't already accomplished by the sets on the tier

[vocal moth]

Not that

[drowsy plank]

your explination just sounds like a second gem tech and like

we have gem tech

[vocal moth]

What i said was a Set that changed based on the weapon your holding

Essentially

[drowsy plank]

that's just gem tech

why do we need another gem tech

[vocal moth]

why dont we need another gem tech

[glass arch]

because it sucks

[drowsy plank]

true!

[vocal moth]

Well thats not the suggestion i was saying

[drowsy plank]

we have armor sets for most classes and the ones that don't have them for certain tiers of progression would prefer just getting their own armor set

[vocal moth]

fair enough but still thought it was a good idea

Cause of all the weapon options at early post ml

Having a set that adapts to weapons would just wrk

work*

[glass arch]

anyways your reasoning should not be be "well why not" you should explain why this is a good idea
when suggesting something you have the burden of proof, as in you need to prove that its a good idea, rather than having others prove its a bad idea

[vocal moth]

Is your pfp sysiphus prime

i needa know

[glass arch]

yes

[vocal moth]

Good

[drowsy plank]

i dont really understand this logic
there's a lot of content at the start of hardmode and post-DoG, and the last thing i think those tiers need is MORE content

what should be done is spread those tiers content out wider instead

rather than leaning into the clutter

[vocal moth]

Heres my reasoning

[glass arch]

cog they didnt say post dog

[vocal moth]

You have So many options for weapons and i find myself Always Struggling to choose a class ranger has cool shit mage has cool melee has cool summoner (i despise rogue) But The mixed idea is Being able to incorperate anything u want at the time

Like elemental ray with lunar flare