suggestions-discussion

[drowsy plank]

whatever

[median scaffold]

It does matter, tho

[drowsy plank]

yes?

[median scaffold]

Either way, yeah, that is not 1000 characters

[drowsy plank]

it's going to be flagged immediately

yeah

[shell grotto]

it's just under 1k

But there was a lot that needed to be said

[median scaffold]

Words are often than not 2+ symbols, so technically you give about 1.5 times of the required 1000 characters

But whatever

[drowsy plank]

surprising

fair enough

[median scaffold]

Still flagged, for whatever reason?

[shell grotto]

L

I was typing that shit for like 20 minutes man... Looking into debuff interactions and everything

[whole tundra]

Oh wait

I think it is due to the bold letters not being followed by a blank space

[median scaffold]

[shell grotto]

edited

[whole tundra]

doesn't appear like it was changed

[shell grotto]

like that?

[drowsy plank]

whitespaces count to the 1k character limit too so that should be noted

[median scaffold]

I think Laudanum in general is basically Ankh Shield, but... bad

[whole tundra]

Yeah that

[whole tundra]

True

[drowsy plank]

yup lol

[shell grotto]

DW I have 8 character left

[whole tundra]

The bot doesn't auto-remove the reactions though

[median scaffold]

"F tier, next"

[drowsy plank]

im p sure that is wrong, bot removes 🗜️ itself

ill look into it when i get home if no one else does

[errant wren]

i will say

that's a lot of words

[median scaffold]

Uhh, JFL....

[whole tundra]

That's a little more

[errant wren]

and cal players hate reading i think

[median scaffold]

They do

At least, the smaller suggestion, the more likely it gets popular

[drowsy plank]

lmao did you not count spaces

bc spaces count

@ jfl

[shell grotto]

oh shoot is discord's limit 2k?

[median scaffold]

Do -, * and other special symbols count?

[median scaffold]

For non-nitro users, yeah

[drowsy plank]

every character counts

[shell grotto]

I may have forgotten lol

[median scaffold]

The title doesn't count, btw

[drowsy plank]

we halved the character limit basically via bot

yeah title is excluded

[whole tundra]

Can we undo that

[shell grotto]

Ugh. I don't want to compress that

[median scaffold]

...no, but increase it slightly

[drowsy plank]

if you would prefer the devs go back to only reading the titles, sure

[errant wren]

you can put the obstructed and blackout things together as "applied by like one enemy"

[median scaffold]

Laudanum turns 10 debuffs into buffs for the player, then doubles their duration. It's a great concept but has a serious problem with its general usability.
First of all, half of the debuffs are blocked by Ankh shield and its upgrades which is (likely) the most used shield/dash line in progression. Laundanum does not override immunity, so the effects it grants can never occur if you have that immunity.
Why the double duration is specifically emphasized when it seemingly doesn't appear again the suggestion?

Oh, wait, it is mentioned... at the end of the suggestion

[drowsy plank]

feel like the crux of this should be;

• it should override immunities
• the durations should be standardized
• it should have more coverage

which is technically three problems

i cant imagine it isnt already very well known laud is bad in dev tho

[median scaffold]

Eh, can Laudanum be the item that adds Stress, please.......

[drowsy plank]

heh

[median scaffold]

Or become the current Stress Pills, while it becomes the "Stress Meter" item

I really like the idea of a meter that grants movement instead of damage (or restoration effect, in case of Nanomachines)

[drowsy plank]

the rev+ items should just be overhauled at this point

[median scaffold]

Heart of the Darkness is now Shattered Community, but with no stats

[drowsy plank]

instead of trying to tweak the existing ones, just come at it from a blank perspective

lmao

[median scaffold]

Shattered Community and Draedon's Heart are better Rage / Adrenaline items than the Rage / Adrenaline items themselves, which is both funny and sad

[drowsy plank]

mhm

problem is the items need to be balanced for post-eye or some shit, while being viable for the whole game bc the only upgrade is post-fucking-DoG lmao

[shell grotto]

did I fix it enough?

[frail fox]

Solution is to put shattered comm and draedon’s heart pre-boss

[drowsy plank]

looks better, bot should prolly notice in a bit

[median scaffold]

Post-DoG should be killed as a tier

[hollow shell]

Still 67 characters over, from the look of it.

I don't think you need to acknowledge the EoW Weak

Let people have that

[shell grotto]

Yeahhhhhh...

fine, done

Although I am 100% using that weak strat now

[median scaffold]

Waiter, waiter!
Please, more montages of killing bosses with no proper equipment!

[hollow shell]

Nice, you're at 940 chars now
Bot will remove its reaction in a moment

good suggestion btw

I like Laud's effect

[errant wren]

laud if i could get it at a relevant point in the game:

[shell grotto]

yeah that's a different argument

valid one for sure

[errant wren]

i love steam gift card

[median scaffold]

>"Hey, uh, like"
>"You've defeated a boss on rev! Good!"
>"Check your inventory"
>The inventory is full of Stress Pills, Laudanum and Heart of the Darkness
Fanny emoji

[errant wren]

i know, we make the effects scale the more unique bosses we defeat!

surely this is an original idea

[median scaffold]

Oh for fucking sake

Just make Laudanum a removed piece of content

[shell grotto]

no

[echo leaf]

same

[shell grotto]

the concept is genuinely fantastic

[echo leaf]

It is!

[shell grotto]

it just need to be deshitified

[errant wren]

people would use laud if it weren't for its fatal flaw yeah

[median scaffold]

I'm mostly joking

[gilded citrus]

Thats the one that makes some debuffs into basically buffs isnt it

[errant wren]

ye

[median scaffold]

I like Laudanum, but for... minmaxing reasons

[shell grotto]

genuinely might be a good defensive accessory for ravager

[median scaffold]

Drinking Red Potion with Laudanum sure is fun

[shell grotto]

fatal flaw of "you gotta get hit first" though is like

rough

[median scaffold]

Again, Laudanum is basically just an Ankh Shield

[shell grotto]

"turn's knockback into knockforward"

[median scaffold]

Funny

Actually, would that be useful for... something?

[echo leaf]

I think that’s an acceptable balance to give it. A lot of accessories have that, and there are ways around it

[shell grotto]

got me thinking too

[shell grotto]

Oh I know

[median scaffold]

True melee may get some nice usage out of it at earlier stages

[median scaffold]

I hate items that are solely the on-hit effects

[shell grotto]

I'm just saying that condition makes it hard to work with. Secondary condition of enemy needs both a debuff you benefit from, to give it to you for a long time, AND for them to strike the chance for them to give you that debuff

a neat buff for the item could be that all enemies roll their non-damaging debuffs at at 100% rate (on you)

[indigo yacht]

was my personal experience, doesn't mean it was yours

[median scaffold]

And, my personal beef, Fargo's Souls DLC specifically disabled Laudanum for BoC fight (which was perfect for it pre-1.7) 💔

It gave a rather consistent confusion and Ichor, which was fun

[shell grotto]

did fargos boc spew ichor?

[median scaffold]

Yeah

[shell grotto]

no wonder XD

+30 defense anyone?

[median scaffold]

In the first phase, it has ichor shots all over the place

Isn't Laudanum a relic of the past, btw?

[indigo yacht]

laudanum rework when

[median scaffold]

When Revengeance+ (I think) used to inflict much more debuffs than Expert?

I've heard that somewhere and don't know if that is true or not...

[shell grotto]

Stress era

when rippers were stress

this concept is better

[errant wren]

i mean it is old but it still has potential use cases if it were made good

[shell grotto]

in every way

[indigo yacht]

i think this is a good suggestion but i feel like a total rework would be better but that's not relevant really

[errant wren]

make laud summon a shield that gets debuffed for you where you get the benefits

nahhh

[indigo yacht]

cant wait for yet another wall of text accessory

[median scaffold]

...uhh, what did it do?

[indigo yacht]

same for hod tbh

stress pills are fine

[median scaffold]

You get stress and, depending on the amount of stress, you gain buffs / debuffs?

[errant wren]

if reached a certain point of stress the game would crash and the crash note would say to take a break

totally

[indigo yacht]

apparently like every enemy inflicted the same debuff and laudanum turned it into a buff, if I'm reading the changelogs right

this one
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Horror

[errant wren]

oh i remember that one

man

feels like only a few years ago

[indigo yacht]

i only watched calamity youtube back then i didn't play it myself

ancient history

[median scaffold]

I was playing Thorium back then

Terraria 1.3 feels so weird, I love it ❤️

[hollow shell]

✍️🧐

[shell grotto]

@median scaffold you did nothing. I was continuing to add off this

[shell grotto]

Oh god what have I done…

[median scaffold]

I'm much more scared from this message than just being pinged 💔

[hollow shell]

Technically yes but it's completely different from its original state

Indeed it interacted with the old "Horror" debuff which no longer exists

[shell grotto]

Am I stressing you out? Maybe you should equip laudanum

[median scaffold]

Nah, I need that sweet stat bonus from Affliction, stress me more

[hollow shell]

I think for a while Laud (and Stress Pills) just granted broad random stat buffs and were completely unremarkable, until they got their current effects which are much better and have good niches

[shell grotto]

Heart attack buff

Good times

[hollow shell]

If God had wanted me to live- etc

[frail fox]

Name is accurate

Everyone hated this shit

[novel belfry]

THEY DID WHAT?

WHY

[median scaffold]

Balancing

[novel belfry]

THATS NOT BALANCING

[median scaffold]

I don't remember what they did specifically, but I think Laudanum is now killed during BoC

[novel belfry]

THATS CALLED "BEING AN ASSHOLE"

confusion RUINED that fight

made a perfectly okay fight completely garbage

[golden sonnet]

Haven't played after the rework but that was my biggest issue with fargos, every boss had a debuff that took control away from the player

stoned, dazed, frozen, confused, etc

[sand marlin]

They didn't do that

[median scaffold]

Oh, I've confused it with something?

[sand marlin]

No you just vastly overexaggerated it

They just nerfed Laudanum in general because it's much more easy to use in Eternity Mode with associated debuffs and then made Confused during BoC not give any buffs just cancel out the effect

[median scaffold]

Oh, yeah, that makes sense

[novel belfry]

okay

[shell grotto]

I wouldn’t mind if BoC applied confusion to the player but it’s gotta be designed around it

Like taking a page out of kirby rtd, magolor does the little hand attack to remove your ability. Same story but that attack would be to confuse you for the next however many attacks until he does it again and removes confusion

Great way to incorporate the debuff without it just being chance on hit to completely f you over

[novel belfry]

and from what i remember from the BoC fight in eternity... the confusion sucked

im pretty sure i cheated in blindfold to deal with it

do you realize how fucked that is? I hated the confusion

[shell grotto]

Again if you incorporate “I’m gonna destroy your capability of doing things” debuffs they need to be done very intentionally

But I think BoC having confusion as a part of their fight would be a smart play

[median scaffold]

EMode BoC is usually slow and not interesting

[shell grotto]

Since no other boss actually does that

[median scaffold]

You deal with the confusion rather than the boss

[shell grotto]

That’s why attacks using it would need to switch on and off.

One idea could be a creeper circle with illusions. Kinda like asgore circle fire. Then between circles brain activates confusion

Basically orange/blue lines in the same kinda way

quite honestly I'd go and program that now if I knew how

[median scaffold]

Do Terraria YouTubers can just... naturally code or smth?

[gilded citrus]

Either this sentence makes no sense or my brain is nuked from it being a bit late

[shell grotto]

I mean they're more likely to want to make shit because they're passionate enough to make vids on the topic

and then it's a whole "well why dont you do it?" and then they just say "y'know what, good point!" in some cases

[median scaffold]

I have no idea, but that's funny, so have a star ⭐

[shell grotto]

I have in fact considered

[median scaffold]

That's... actually fair

[shell grotto]

But coding is a bit difficult for my brain to process

[median scaffold]

Eh, me too

[shell grotto]

Easily could with enough practice but I also know I'm working on other stuff and I genuinely would get frustrated way too easily

[errant wren]

coding? yesterday i had an epiphany about something i was working on like 5 years ago

[gilded citrus]

Lmao

[unborn stream]

i disagree with the extra jumps suggestion, wings and jumps absolutely can mix

especially if you have lower tier wings with slower vertical acceleration, extra jumps are extremely useful for getting going upwards fast

[indigo yacht]

or just like

frog leg

[unborn stream]

i have never used frog leg in my life

[indigo yacht]

now is a good time to start

[unborn stream]

i will give it a shot

but if it was good it'd be in the terraspark boots upgrade line /j

[indigo yacht]

that would be extremely overpowered

[unborn stream]

that's what people said at the prospect of combining frostsparks and lava waders

[indigo yacht]

nobody has said that about that ever

[unborn stream]

oh lol

[gilded citrus]

People did?????????

[indigo yacht]

anyways jump speed = good

[unborn stream]

idk i started playing terraria around the release of 1.4 so I'm probably just remembering things wrong lol

[frail fox]

Post-ml boots in 2027

[indigo yacht]

what a Calamity

[unborn stream]

beating yharim will give you the supertinkerer's workshop which lets you combine any two accessories

[echo leaf]

the bee + regenator

[gilded citrus]

Sponge + sponge

[indigo yacht]

lucky horseshoe + draedon's heart

[thin hazel]

perfect accessory

[wet vigil]

Step stool + step stool

Double step stool

[thin hazel]

glove of precision + glove of recklessness

[wet vigil]

Wait a minute

[indigo yacht]

different buffs depending on whether or not you have enough stealth to complete a stealth strike

[thin hazel]

peak

[glass arch]

(actually wings fuck over the mobility of balloons)

[indigo yacht]

they mean wings + bohb not bohb + wings

[indigo yacht]

@modern trellis that is a bug (or perhaps oversight), so it would go in #1052323733961977947 instead of suggestions

i think it's already known about but couldn't hurt (?) to make a new report

[modern trellis]

👍

aw man ill do that later it needs a log file i dont want to open terraria with its 200 mods 😭

[indigo yacht]

you should disable all except calamity when making the report

so that you can prove that it's a calamity thing and not anything else (which shouldn't matter but is good practice anyways)

[royal tapir]

I’m 95% confident this is already fixed

[olive saddle]

#suggestions-posting message see i disagree with the change to shields. I actually do agree that it needs more debuffs to be worthwhile, but imo making shields even stronger by letting you chain stupid strong upsides when "debuffed" and rams is a little strong

[drowsy plank]

67 - Fixed Music Box wiring NetMessage not being passed. - Done ✅
#changelogs message

[indigo yacht]

what's the alternative then, just making the buffs from debuffs even stronger?

i feel like that would just end up making laudanum even more niche

[olive saddle]

no. adding more debuffs to make it less niche

[hollow shell]

(This is yet another reason to disconnect Ankh from the ram-shield line)

[olive saddle]

actually a banger idea

any nerf to rams is my savior

[indigo yacht]

everyone always complains about rams but then refuses to suggest nerfs for them

[lucid marsh]

I suggested a nerf and a million people said no

[indigo yacht]

which one?

[lucid marsh]

To replace aegis line dash with a bonk dash

And give rams to the weaker dashes

[indigo yacht]

oh right that

[lucid marsh]

The entire point of it is that it is the worst possible dash, it deals damage but it is less used than all the other ones

The point of aegis should be everything else it does. It's a SHIELD. It should PROTECT YOU

[drowsy plank]

that's not nerfing rams that's just making an entirely new item

[indigo yacht]

yeah

moving the problem i think

if you moved rams to like, i think ninja gear was something you mentioned, now you just have a ram and a dodge instead of a ram and defense or whatever

[drowsy plank]

the problem is aegis is the bandaid on the problematic system of vanilla debuffs and knockback

[royal tapir]

If you want to nerf rams, you nerf the ram
You don’t nerf what’s around the ram, you don’t dodge the issue by moving the ram somewhere else

The decided identity of Aegis line was to be ram + debuff immunities

[frail fox]

Horrifying combo

[novel belfry]

if you ask me, remove Elysian Aegis's debuff immunities and keep that as a super ram
give players a funny option where you either want debuff immunity but a less useful dash versus a really good super ram

[lucid marsh]

A poor decision that everyone defends endlessly. You've combined several of the best effects into a single item, making it almost mandatory. Imagine if you combined, say, the bundle of balloons, Drew's wings, and the celestial shell. That would be crazy. That's what this is like.

I would make the shield line keep debuff and knockback immunities and gain more useful ones, but take away its dash entirely, and give that to another accessory line that's currently less useful. This way, you have to use two accessories if you want both effects.

I mean, if I weren't doing something more drastic

[sand marlin]

Ah yes, "several of the best effects" one single ram function and ankh immunities for exploration QoL. You can argue knockback is a separate benefit but in a perfect world no matter which loadout you tend to pick, knockback immunity will still be stuffed in there in one of your items if it's as good as any standard loadout because as we all know, knockback is badly implemented and the player should always have the option to just ignore it.

[novel belfry]

Just keep the Rams to their own single accessory line

[lucid marsh]

That's what I'm saying!

[novel belfry]

more and more im liking the idea of just turning the Elysian Aegis into a Elysian Gauntlet, with significantly reduced defenses but still the same ol ram

[lucid marsh]

Yes. Rams are just that good, and immunity to debilitating debuffs is kind of a big deal for a large portion of hardmode.

[sand marlin]

It's a big deal because it's stupid enough to warrant being ignored completely

[lucid marsh]

?

Oh, yeah

But consider if debuffs, instead of being this massive pain in the ass in a million unique ways, were more interesting. Something that you could avoid or manage with skill, or protect yourself from directly. DoT debuffs are probably the simplest example, but you could instead have it be something like "take damage if you do this action"

Like electrified but for other things

Silenced could be "using magic items damages you"

[sand marlin]

Well it isn't that so no point in talking about it

[lucid marsh]

Calamity is totally capable of doing this

It has made overhauls to vanilla things before

[sand marlin]

You can talk about it once it's done then

[lucid marsh]

It won't be done unless it is talked about

[violet zephyr]

This is an awful idea.

[sand marlin]

Anyway I'm sure I don't need to bring up the same points across each of the convo's this topic has been in. Pinging a dev specifically was what annoyed me tbh with such an exaggerated and pretentious post too

[lucid marsh]

The current effect is "you can't use magic items". This is strictly better

I pinged a dev?

Oops

[sand marlin]

Well the problem wasn't exactly pinging a dev. It's in the context.

[violet zephyr]

No, it isn't. It is essentially the same effect, not wanting the player to use Magic items, but adding on a damage penalty onto it, which with how Terraria is designed, you'd not know it would be happening until it is too late. When was the last time you hovered over your debuffs in a tense situation?

[sand marlin]

I'm the only player that does that unfortunately

I have not seen a single other person by far

[unborn stream]

you really need to be careful when using phrases like "strictly better", so much of good/bad game design is subjective, trying to say anything is objectively better/worse can easily destroy the credibility of your arguments

[prisma sedge]

https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/1333996071923486752
This might be a bit late for the next direct upgrade, but in general, I think an exo-themed gizmo pack would be a fitting way to work with this

[sand marlin]

Meh you have to draw the line somewhere

The problem is where you draw that line

[unborn stream]

a postgame uber-powerful accessory like that could definitely work but yeah I was thinking more post-ml at the latest (for a direct upgrade)

[sand marlin]

I think it's Plans™️

Magnet upgrade line has been in plans for like, at least a year or two as I know it

[prisma sedge]

Sounds about right, honestly
Could be nice if they existed in tandem, though! It'd just be a matter of balancing the upgrade tiers so the endgame one wouldn't be too broken

...or actually, would it matter at that point? The hand of creation is a building accessory first and foremost, so would it matter if its buffs were a bit broken?

[lucid marsh]

I usually pay attention to my debuffs. And I'd notice if I started taking damage, and would stop

[frail fox]

need the lores back...

[violet zephyr]

In the middle of fight, where not seeing one attack could kill you, you'd still look away to notice your debuffs? And also have enough time to find and read the correct one.

Not to mention, you aren't adressing that making Silenced damage you performs the same gameplay function of not wanting players to use Mage items.

[shell grotto]

genuinely no lol. Frog leg is 32% jump speed and it's crazy good for just accelerating to max flight speed instantly. Point being use leg and see what you think.

[violet zephyr]

Also, don't forget that you're changing a Vanilla debuff, not making a brand new one. Which means that players would have to read a debuff they're expected to already know what it does.

[shell grotto]

somehow forgot I was replying to a sarcasm thing byeah

[unborn stream]

lol yea

[modern trellis]

i didnt even realize myb

[lucid marsh]

The general idea was that you would replace debuffs that immediately screw you over with ones that act like electrified, which have counterplay, even if they're still detrimental. It's a debuff, it's SUPPOSED to be detrimental. It just shouldn't be completely infuriating

[novel belfry]

eh

[violet zephyr]

And you somehow think taking damage for using your weapon is less infuriating than your weapon being disabled?

[novel belfry]

when i get immunities, i expect ot just get immunities

[lucid marsh]

Yes

I am proposing that this be the baseline state before any immunities

[violet zephyr]

...

I'm glad you aren't designing any games.

[lucid marsh]

Immunities could be incremental, so more like resistances to the damage, then get more effective with upgrades

[drowsy plank]

the problem is the vanilla debuffs that aren't dps are either dogshit or meaningless

[lucid marsh]

Consider: if the game was like this from the start, you wouldn't be proposing the opposite

[prisma sedge]

Alright, I keep coming back to this in my head, and I'm thinking that the main issue is just that the more busted the second upgrade would be, the weirder it'd be to balance with something that'd be available much earlier in the game, far before the point where mining speed and range limitations would become a non-issue through the Crystyl Crusher

[violet zephyr]

If the game was like this from the start, Terraria would be a nearly entirely different game.

[lucid marsh]

Which is exactly why I would want them to be reworked in this way

[violet zephyr]

The arguement "if it was like this from the start" doesn't work when it changes fundamentals.

[lucid marsh]

It really wouldn't. Electrified is basically what I am proposing.

But for movement

[hollow verge]

sometimes i open this chat and read the backlog just to feel something

and that's abt all i have to say on this current debate

[olive saddle]

clearly the solution is to remove rams and make solar dash into a bonk

[sleek turret]

Literally 2024

Isn't the base building and wall placing QoL provided by Calamity alredy enough QoL?

And if it where for making arenas, aren't explosives, particularly dynamite enough to cut off enough time spent on them?

[indigo yacht]

it's more than just a building accessory, i usually get it for mining and farming just bc it's really nice

[indigo yacht]

meh

dynamite is unwieldy and costs money

it of course helps but I don't see how adding an item you have to work towards and put effort in to get to make it easier is a bad thing

[sleek turret]

What about the Onyx mount

[indigo yacht]

I'm going to bonk you really really hard

[sleek turret]

And even then money is not a problem in Cal because of many things like unlimited boss spawns

We also have the Marnite Architect armor designed for building

[indigo yacht]

strictly horizontal, extra reach from hoc is especially helpful for being vertical

[indigo yacht]

this argument applies to vanilla too, just make one of those goofy lucky coin farms (i assume this works in calamity too boss summons are just more intuitive despite being slower)

[olive saddle]

false

[indigo yacht]

true

[sleek turret]

There's also that one particular Vanilla mount as well

[olive saddle]

this is a niche argument but just use journey mode
litearlly comes built in with infinite money and increaed placement range

if you think the rest is cheaty then dont use it(?). its also vanilla so you dont have to feel gross or download anything else

[indigo yacht]

I don't use hand of creation for building bc I'm not a builder but i do use it for mining, arena building, farming, making infrastructure, etc.

[indigo yacht]

i prefer having to work for boosts like that, it makes me feel happy when i finally get them since i spent time on it

well

[sleek turret]

There's Skynamite, easier access for building potions and mining potions, again, QoL changes alredy implemented by Calamity itself

[indigo yacht]

i utterly despise the traveling merchant because it's stupid

[olive saddle]

fair enough

[indigo yacht]

none of this negates the benefits hoc provides

specifically with range

or reach

ig

[sleek turret]

I didn't say that to negate HoC benefits?

[indigo yacht]

what are you trying to argue then

[sleek turret]

It's actually more of a complement to alredy existing QoL

That there is no need for more QoL

[indigo yacht]

qol by definition isn't a need

[sleek turret]

We alredy have the tools for arena building and infrastructure provided by both Calamity and Vanilla itself

[indigo yacht]

why would adding one more be a bad thing

[sleek turret]

It's unnecessary

[indigo yacht]

I've long since learned how subjective the necessity of qol is

a majority of modded players use a ton of it despite it being unnecessary

I don't agree with it personally but evidently they do

[sleek turret]

So what is your point

[indigo yacht]

that the argument of it 'being unnecessary' is only valid if it's actually unnecessary and not based on opinion

[indigo yacht]

.

ngl the reasoning on this suggestion is kind of weak though

"it would be cool, stuff like it already got added and it would be cool a second time"

and boss arenas which is fair

[drowsy plank]

#suggestions-voting message

lo

wait this one isnt mine

i wrote something about this once

hm

#suggestions-voting message

here it is

unsurprisingly, it didn't go anywhere

but ur right

the debuffs should be reworked

[indigo yacht]

ok genuine question, i see most people here seem to think that all debuffs are shitty game design and like... why?

[drowsy plank]

if they were reworked calamity might actually use them and not just have to blanket immune them

[indigo yacht]

i can understand this, fuck stuns

[drowsy plank]

yes that is what we are talking about

not all debuffs

nobody cares about dragonfire, electrified, etc.

[indigo yacht]

just specific categories of debuffs?

[drowsy plank]

the problem is stuff like silenced and cursed

[indigo yacht]

ah

the stupid ones

[drowsy plank]

yeah

stoned, webbed, frozen, etc.

[indigo yacht]

confusion my ever beloathed

[indigo yacht]

unrelated but you can use dash keybind while inflicted with all of these, it's quite funny

[drowsy plank]

that's hilarious

good

fuck em

[indigo yacht]

I've actually managed to not die to cultist a few times by timing dashes while frozen

[frail fox]

Frozen 💔

[indigo yacht]

it's really nice bc the fight is really bullshit on masdeath

[frail fox]

Does warmth potion still make you immune to frozen or have I just been getting lucky and not hit

[indigo yacht]

i think it makes you immune, that or it reduces the duration

[olive saddle]

it reduces the duration i think

[royal tapir]

It was changed to one third duration

[indigo yacht]

secret hand warmer meta

hand warmer is unironically a decent option for md king slime because you get frozen and also chilled lasts for like literally 30 seconds or something, so even if you're just hotswapping it's still useful

[thin hazel]

god i love that fact

endlessly funny

[frail fox]

What the hell is master ks doing

[thin hazel]

spawning frozen slimes

ice spike slimes

whatever

they inflict frozen

and chilled or whatever

its awful

[indigo yacht]

it spawns only ice and jungle spiked slimes

so silly!

[thin hazel]

wow...

[olive saddle]

i wish a very pleasant rocks in shoes on the dev who conceptualized this

[indigo yacht]

yeah it is actually like 20 seconds which is just insane for a slowing debuff

because it makes you very slow

[indigo yacht]

(fabsol)

[olive saddle]

i was sure but also i wasnt too sure

[lucid marsh]

What do you think about my idea specifically? To clarify: just like how electrified punishes you for moving, the debuffs that prevent you from doing certain things entirely could instead punish you for doing them

Maybe I shouldn't have pinged

[indigo yacht]

I don't like the idea of working off electrified punishing you for moving because i feel like that just encourages standing still during a boss fight which imo is dumb

i don't like how rogue is encouraged to do it rn either and I'm pretty sure it's getting removed bc the devs don't either

[lucid marsh]

Oh. Well you can't just stand still, because getting hit again is even worse. Instead you have to figure out the balance of what is best, be efficient with your movement, ect.

[indigo yacht]

doesn't electrified just check if you're pressing your a/d keys and multiply the damage by 4 if you are

[drowsy plank]

yea

[lucid marsh]

More generally, the idea was to have other debuffs punish you for doing a specific thing, not movement because that's what electrified does

[drowsy plank]

you can still go up and down

i think they'd be fine as long as they aren't class restricted

[lucid marsh]

Cool

Another guy hates this idea

[indigo yacht]

idk about for other stuff, i havent thought about that but punishing movement just sounds bad

considering it's like

the most fundamental mechanic in the game

[lucid marsh]

Which is why I'm explicitly saying to not do that for anything except electrified

And merely making a comparison to the general idea of "debuff damages you if you do something specific"

[hollow shell]

Unfortunately,
Calamity's RoD change.

It dealt damage from overuse and was changed to a disable.

[drowsy plank]

well that's

[hollow shell]

You're on the right track with debuffs with counterplays though
(I think)

[drowsy plank]

less a penalty and more that the damage was easy to ignore when rod was so strong

[indigo yacht]

now that i think about it i kind of hate electrified for existing

[drowsy plank]

im not sure if you're talking about me, but if you changed silenced to "disables all magic weapons" to "damages you when using magic weapons" you have solved approximately nothing about the problem, which i think was what you were saying earlier

[indigo yacht]

can we make that debuff only environmental and not applied during boss fights
give cultist and storm weaver some other electric debuff that does basically the same thing without punishing you for fucking moving

[hollow shell]

frankly I was never totally satisfied with any of the answers I've seen for RoD's disabling being necessary over the Chaos State damage
The self-damage was not inherently broken, I feel.

If it dealt half your HP bar, it would be very punishing. You would actually have to think hard for a split second on if getting out of your current sticky situation is worth such a huge HP hit.

[olive saddle]

i like the idea of electrified punishing you for something else (dashing or something situational/constricting) but not extremely constricting

[hollow shell]

As opposed to disabling RoD which simply removes the option to use it in such a situation.
(Not to say it's totally thoughtless cuz you still have to think about when to use / save your RoD usages)

[olive saddle]

not like silenced or cursed

silenced is the most polarizing debuff in the game

[hollow shell]

.. actually not a bad idea, making it apply to dashes instead

Game is still playable without dashes

Game is not still playable without moving

[indigo yacht]

if you make it that punishing though then you'll end up with misclicks and small mistimigs ending up ruining people's attempts
of course this isn't a major thing but one thing i remember doing when fighting the twins was spamming rod to use it as soon as it was off cooldown

[olive saddle]

[indigo yacht]

yesh

[olive saddle]

make it apply the increased damage for like 1-2 seconds when you dash and you're golden imo

[hollow shell]

Yeah, I can see that being a benefit of the current system, allows you to "buffer" the input

[distant gyro]

i dont know if this is a product of circumstance that led to this belief but i thought chaos state disabling rod was to prevent accidental double usage

[indigo yacht]

what if left click worked normally but right click let you bypass chaos state by losing half your health or something

[distant gyro]

as a result or not of previously common nohitter problems

[hollow shell]

I may be misremembering but I've always heard it was a balance thing, not a QoL thing
That RoD was too strong if you could use it so often so they just disabled it

[drowsy plank]

you could just give it a small delay on usage if it was a QoL thing

[distant gyro]

(the change was also made during the time where nohits had a fair effect on the state of the mod at the time)

[indigo yacht]

horror

[hollow shell]

Better than what I was thinking (making it take a second to charge up when you use it)

[drowsy plank]

spose you could just suggest that rn

[distant gyro]

there was a time where chaos state did do damage, and actually more than the vanilla amount

iirc

[hollow shell]

In 2019, Chaos State made you take 1.5x damage from all sources while you had it

[olive saddle]

oh my god that is

[hollow shell]

(In Rev/Death)

[indigo yacht]

lmao

[distant gyro]

and then nerfed to 1.25x apparently

before outright disabling it as it is now

[hollow shell]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Chaos_State?diff=next&oldid=18450

[distant gyro]

yeah ive always assumed old rod took 1/4 health instead of 1/7

apparently if that revision is correct that's just nr

[hollow shell]

Maybe back before the 2019 change? Before the proper wiki page existed??

Or, well
Maybe at the time they didn't know how to change the 1/7 to a 1/4. I dunno what the state of IL Editing was at the time, so
Perhaps unlikely

[olive saddle]

Make Electrified's damage increase only apply to dashes instead of moving

Electrified is extremely punishing, as it deals 16dps when moving, which is an extremely potent debuff, and active at nearly all times. Standing still is a death sentence in this mod, thus making this debuffs conditional almost always active.

The proposed change I offer is to make this only apply during dashes. The game is completeable without dashes and its something people do quite often. This way, the conditional isn't almost always active, and constricts you based on a secondary game mechanic vs a vital one.

[distant gyro]

mayb

[hollow shell]

@indigo yacht Nowadays we'd prefer if you state your full idea in the title rather than oversummarizing

[distant gyro]

this is also a classic

[indigo yacht]

sorry I'm quite tired, what would that entail?

[glass arch]

first stentence is a bit clunky (also extremely debuff

[olive saddle]

oops

[hollow shell]

"Give Rod of Discord a right-click that allows self-damage teleports during Chaos State."
Something like that

[indigo yacht]

ohhhh ok yeah ic

[olive saddle]

there

[hollow shell]

(Fun times)

[olive saddle]

oh god

the good old days

when

fucking boc lore gave you rod in crimson and confusion

[hollow shell]

Looks fine. Short but you get the point across.

[glass arch]

could reword it to something like Electrified is extremely punishing, as it deals 16dps when moving, which is an extremely potent debuff, and active at nearly all times.

[olive saddle]

i will shamelessly steal that

thank you

[hollow shell]

Sugg looks good otherwise Elsi
Glad you mentioned misclicking at the end

(gotta fix "affordes" tho)

[frail fox]

So peak

Lore items ❤️

[glass arch]

fuck i forgot the second sentence also says the debuff is always active

[frail fox]

I loved filling up my inventory with 10 things to get minor buffs

[sand marlin]

TRUE

[royal tapir]

3% jump height
Free dash

Same thing

[glass arch]

Electrified is extremely punishing, as it deals 16dps when moving, which is an extremely potent debuff, and active at nearly all times. Because of how punishing standing still is, this turns what would be an otherwise interesting and unique debuff into a generic damage over time effect.

[olive saddle]

i will once again steal that thank you very much

[frail fox]

Oh my god cryogen lore

Actually insane

[olive saddle]

cryogen lore...

at least its base now

[frail fox]

And the side effects were almost always nothing

Outside of extreme cases

Like -6 defense

[glass arch]

either the side effect did nothing or the main effect did nothing

[olive saddle]

infinite flight
-25% damage

i loved old yharon lore

[glass arch]

well not exactly infinite but close enough if you're staying flying for seventeen minutes i think you have bigger issues than flight time running out

[olive saddle]

wasnt dogs like

true melee or soemthing

[indigo yacht]

I'm going to wake up tomorrow to see that i had committed crimes against the institution of the english language

[frail fox]

+50% true melee damage

[olive saddle]

holy fuck

[frail fox]

Maybe 25 ?

[olive saddle]

balance nightmare

[frail fox]

Not really

[royal tapir]

It’s okay Yharon needed it

[glass arch]

whatever crimes you commit will always pale in comparison to the crimes the english language commits ❤️

[indigo yacht]

TRUE!

[hollow shell]

(You could use like one more comma in the last paragraph)

[frail fox]

True melee post-dog was nothing pre-1.5

[olive saddle]

[frail fox]

You had to use last mourning on pre-lowering the powercurve yharon

[indigo yacht]

that is one hell of a run-on agh

[hollow shell]

hell yeah semicolon

[indigo yacht]

reminds me of how i used to write except not enough commas

[olive saddle]

semicolon!!!

[indigo yacht]

i would just write an entire paragraph that was like fifty sentences amalgamated into one by a gross mess of punctuation (that wasn't .?!)

[olive saddle]

i use way too many

[glass arch]

run on is exclusively if the sentence isnt clearly broken into clauses
semicolons, commas, all those things break what would otherwise be a run-on sentence into a gramatically correct one

well

[indigo yacht]

i try now to just make a new sentence if I'm unsure, although evidently not tonight

[glass arch]

not necessarily grammatically correct

but not grammatically incorrect because of the punctuation or lack thereof

[indigo yacht]

i misused that semicolon, didn't i

I'll fix that tomorrow

[glass arch]

trying to remember the correct syntax of a semicolon but i have unfortunately forgor but i think it works

[hollow shell]

((Do you ever think about how the line break can be seen as a form of punctuation in modern communication, with the advent of online chats like this one?))

anyway uhh sleep well Elsi, I presume you'll be sleeping soon

[royal tapir]

Yharon lore gave you 414 days of flight time

[hollow shell]

(I thought it was 30 minutes)

[royal tapir]

It set max flight time to the integer limit

[olive saddle]

what the fuck lmao

[distant gyro]

i thought it was 50000 which would be 13.89 mins

[sand marlin]

500 fargo weeks

[glass arch]

i remember it being like 17 minutes

[royal tapir]

So like unless there’s some random fuckass vanilla hardcap

[sand marlin]

Is it my sleep deprivation or is that not a screenshot

[olive saddle]

thats a screenshot of a screen

[royal tapir]

It is
Our Internet went down, and I have to use hotspot

[sand marlin]

Ah

[olive saddle]

ah the hotspot with no internet

[hollow shell]

It's possible that it was changed in some update

But that is

very funny

[royal tapir]

That screenshot is of the commit which removed lore item effects

Hence why it’s highlighted in red

[distant gyro]

yup. at one point this was
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Lore_items?diff=prev&oldid=136675

[royal tapir]

Okay I see what happened
It was changed from 50000 to integer limit during 1.5 dev, which never showed in any public version due to lore item effects getting removed

[drowsy plank]

hilarious

[frail fox]

Wow, it was only ever mid flight time

[hollow shell]

Interesting

[white adder]

Can you guys please explain why its so unclear if setting a configuration on a server?

If I set the boss death respawn counter, why can someone still respawn after 15 seconds on the client side

So maybe explain this somewhere

[drowsy plank]

configs will be moved serverside next update

[golden sonnet]

Some will not all

[drowsy plank]

fair

i assume the distinction will be clearer tho

[prisma sedge]

In reference to the RoD self damage suggestion, I also think that if the original needs to be balanced more, then chaos state could just...remove your ability to heal passively or through potions, so it'd still heavily discourage you from teleporting haphazardly while letting you double teleport when you really need to

[gritty plaza]

#suggestions-posting message Minor error - "godlike" is spelled as "godkike" in the second-to-last sentence of the first paragraph

[unborn stream]

ty idk how i missed that lol

[north oracle]

Small typo: credibility destroyed

[frail mantle]

career? in shambles

knees? destroyed

[gilded citrus]

Mod? Mold

[indigo yacht]

I mean you can't teleport haphazardly anyways, you have a 15 second cooldown

the main use case for the rod of discord is to help the player avoid getting hit

so if you make it so that the player won't regenerate/can't heal/will take more damage anyways then that's effectively removing the main use case, with an exception of like DoG because getting hit by the head will deal way more damage than anything rod could do

[drowsy plank]

tbf

this would be a second use

so you would've already used it once

it gives the option to take the damage or whatever if you think the risk is worth the payoff

i think it makes the item a bit more interesting

[indigo yacht]

are you referring to teleporting while under chaos state?

[drowsy plank]

kinda like the gloves of running urgently from tf2

yeah

oh i didnt see the msg i thought this was

[indigo yacht]

I'm pretty sure Taela was suggesting adding the debuff to teleporting the first time

[drowsy plank]

continuing from yesterday

lmao

[indigo yacht]

tf2 referen.......

awesome

[drowsy plank]

the "debuff" is having to switch off ur weapon

fuck normality relocator

that one should actually have that change

[indigo yacht]

I'm bad at using NR tbh

[indigo yacht]

30s chaos state

[drowsy plank]

it's literally just a get out of jail free card

[glass arch]

make normality relocator an accessory

wait is it already an accessory

[indigo yacht]

honestly that could work if you tweaked some stuff i think

[drowsy plank]

ture..,.,.,.

[violet zephyr]

No.

[indigo yacht]

uhh anyways rod is powerful but I don't think punishing its (initial) usage more is the way to try and balance it

[glass arch]

dont even have to tweak anything it is literally just an accessory that takes an inventory slot

[indigo yacht]

maybe it's just because I don't use it but i feel like rod on a keybind wouldn't be worth a slot on its own

idk maybe other people would use it anyways

[drowsy plank]

acc rod on keybind is just spectral cloak which is definitely good rn i think

[glass arch]

its spectral cloak without stat buffs

[drowsy plank]

only reason i dont think we hear about it as much is because NR exists

[indigo yacht]

i still haven't done a rogue playthrough so I'll take your words for it

[gaunt needle]

doesn't spectral cloak also cost stealth

[violet zephyr]

Yes, but if you get hit during its 80 immunity frames, your Stealth is maxed.

[maiden quartz]

how many frames is terraria game speed

[gaunt needle]

60 frames per second iirc

[violet zephyr]

Sixty in one second.

[gaunt needle]

that sounds like a refund if you happen to get hit after teleporting (so you don't waste stealth AND the cooldown for nothing)

[violet zephyr]

Not a refund.

It costs 25%, you get max.

Plus, you are invincible.

[gaunt needle]

oh i get it

that's cool

[violet zephyr]

It also has a fifteen second cooldown.

[indigo yacht]

truly incredible

[maiden quartz]

then cite a credible source!

[indigo yacht]

calamity fandom wiki ✨

[median scaffold]

My passion

You should check the darts page on Fandom

I've recently almost rewrote it fully

[prisma sedge]

Nah, that was basically just building off of what Vanilla already does with Chaos State

[idle dagger]

Suggestion to upgrade hand of creation…goat

Reminds me of my combined mining/building accessory one

[echo leaf]

I like the idea but both of the Reaver Headgear and the Marnite Architect set will be buffed in their building abilities next update

Is more really necessary?

[sleek turret]

It's unnecessary

[unborn stream]

if the buff is significant enough then yeah I'd be satisfied

[echo leaf]

Marnite Architect Toga is getting +50% wall placement speed iirc

Reaver Headgear wall/block placement speed 40% -> 50%

Changes 254, 255, and 256

[indigo yacht]

oh, so you mean like if you teleport a second time it would do that in addition to self damage?

that's fair honestly

i just don't want the penalty to be too harsh otherwise it would be virtually useless besides for nohitting which... ehh i don't like nohitter oriented stuff

[echo leaf]

a GRU effect is neato

but I don’t know how that’d be impactful here

[indigo yacht]

if only terraria was as cut and dry as tf2 damage numbers

we should reduce damage variance to +-0%

[echo leaf]

oops! crocket to the cocket

[indigo yacht]

https://youtu.be/F1ruBEgGydI?si=-H19O5YLEQIMkm-b

[unborn stream]

yeah I'd say that's not significant enough imo, especially considering there's no change to reach

ideally I'd like to be able to not need to slow down while placing platforms

[rose roost]

The way this is written should be changed to prevent misunderstanding like what I thought it meant
this can be interpreted as all of these apply if in the healing aura for 10s straight
or what it really means being these apply for 10s if the player enters the aura

least concern but still a point to be made

(the absorber)

[frozen hornet]

Smth like "the aura grants ... for 10 seconds for all players inside"?

[errant wren]

"Touching the aura while active grants [effects] for 10 seconds" or something

[magic stream]

"Being inside the aura will give the player 3HP/s life regen, +8% damage, and +5% damage reduction for 10 seconds."

[errant wren]

the issue is the potential misinterpretation

hmm

"Using a healing potion will spawn a cleansing aura for [however long it lasts]"
then the next line explains the effects of touching

[olive saddle]

bot broke

[errant wren]

sorry i ate it

[drowsy plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465195069406707722/1308300486943965205/suggestion_bot_down.gif

@inland saddle

[indigo yacht]

"Touching the aura grants 10 seconds of [] to all players inside"

[lucid marsh]

what a familiar situation!

[novel belfry]

aa

[unborn stream]

on a similar note it really bothers me that the chairs of some furniture sets are two tiles wide

[median scaffold]

Requires sprites

[unborn stream]

true

[jagged zealot]

Let's say playing certain seeds or in certain survival modes, it makes it hard to play when you want to use certain furniture sets but realize it lacks a toilet

But the sprites things is why I asked if I should ask in calart or here, people said here

[median scaffold]

Toilet (made from iron / lead) exists, if you need it for practical reasons rather than just decoration

Otherwise, there are some other missing furniture pieces, iirc

[olive saddle]

Hear me out on this one. The hue slider exists in paint.net for a reason

[jagged zealot]

?

[jagged zealot]

I mean, I want it for building & decorative reasons at the same time. Yeah I get the iron/lead exist. But still. What if I don't want to waste my iron bars when I need it for something else? And sometimes I need builds that don't get ruined by off brand toilets. But yeah, I get the point

[indigo yacht]

isn't the entire point of building to waste resources on something that looks nice

[jagged zealot]

Nope, not the entire point. It's a point, but not the only one as the word "entire" implies. There are other uses for some materials

[median scaffold]

If you need it for practical reasons rather than just decoration

[jagged zealot]

^

[indigo yacht]

shimmer anvils from the merchant

if you need it for practical reasons then it's not wasting resources just using them

[jagged zealot]

And if don't want to travel to the ends of the map in the beginning just to do this, nor currently have the money?

[fallow birch]

buy the matter accelerator post-mechs from the bandit

wait

in the beginning

nvm

[jagged zealot]

Lmao

[median scaffold]

What

The Particle Accelerator is a deleted crafting station, isn't it?

[fallow birch]

my bad I meant the uh

Momentum Capacitor

[jagged zealot]

What?

Man, I need to replay somethings

[drowsy plank]

1 billion toilet spriters summoner from the ether

this will probably pass and then get put off until they were going to look at furniture sets as a whole anyway if i had to guess

it's not like every furniture set has every type of furniture anyway

i just cant see this actually being done when sets like silva and cosmilite need full set resprites still too

[violet zephyr]

The Art server needs a daily reminder that assets for missing furniture in a set are allowed even when the item doesn't exist.

[unborn stream]

I just joined the art server and the rules make it pretty clear to me at least that submissions are only for resprites of existing assets and specifically requested new assets

[jagged zealot]

Oh yeah forgot about that

[indigo yacht]

mine more tier 2 ore

it's quite common

what are we even discussing again

[maiden quartz]

furniture sugg

[indigo yacht]

why t2 bars

oh wait

[jagged zealot]

?

Part of it is the looks. But anywho, yeah, thought I would suggest but shame this will never see the light of day. Everything feels so inconsistent and I could no longer ignore it

[golden sonnet]

That has very much not been the case in the past and if the rules say that they should probably be adjusted

[rose roost]

This correction and below are all good solutions

[rose roost]

I'd say this would be the best

[drowsy plank]

@tame goblet from the forsaken archive chest

[tame goblet]

i was only able to get one, and both me and my friend want a cell phone

[drowsy plank]

well, you can't say there isn't a consistent way to get it

bc there is

if the problem is multiplayer, say the problem is multiplayer

[tame goblet]

fixed

[errant wren]

"consistent way to get multiple Tally Counters"

[drowsy plank]

oh yeah you should change the title to that too

bc you're specifying the implementation, which you should avoid

the problem is getting multiple counters is slow, not that it doesn't have a recipe specifically

[hollow verge]

@tame goblet just kill the skeleton guys?

[golden sonnet]

yeah, tally counter is a pretty common drop

[tropic yoke]

Can't you craft it?

[hollow verge]

no

[tropic yoke]

ah

[hollow verge]

but you really don't need to

[frail fox]

You have to speed through the game as fast as possible and craft everything

[tropic yoke]

I mean odds are you'll get a counter before uhh

Enough keys to get all the chest loot you need

[tame goblet]

i somehow managed to get all the chest stuff first try, but i stayed down there for hours and didnt get a single one

[tropic yoke]

I think you were doing something wrong no offense

I usually get like 3

[drowsy plank]

zerg potions............

[tame goblet]

tried

[drowsy plank]

insane that you didn't get a tally counter while zerging in dungeon

did you make a large flat open space for stuff to spawn on

[tropic yoke]

I’m honestly kind of not buying it I’m usually drowning in counters

[tame goblet]

wish i was lying, i usually am too but i cant find one

[tropic yoke]

Weird

Tbf anything luck based is subject to severe bullshittery

[tame goblet]

yep

[drowsy plank]

more and more i feel like the fargo style solidifying banners seems like the correct solution to bad rng drops

[golden sonnet]

I don't, I kinda hate everything just being being crafted

[tropic yoke]

Fished for a lava charm for 2 days, got dozens of lava hooks and shadow boxes, then found one after mining for 20mins

[median scaffold]

I think it is a little bit excessive on the amount of granted stat boosts, especially since that is just a buff

[tropic yoke]

I’ve been trying to figure out an in between idea forever

[drowsy plank]

tbf if you kill enough enemies to get enough banners that the item should be stastically guarnteed, that feels more appropriate than calamity's way of just making you run around getting filler mats for 5 minutes

[golden sonnet]

even if not in calamity just farm lava bats for it

[errant wren]

make rare drops be guaranteed on the nth kill idk

[tropic yoke]

Also killed 300 bats

[drowsy plank]

i mean that is just the fargo banner thing but with code instead

[tropic yoke]

No stone to shimmer

[errant wren]

true

[drowsy plank]

the banners indicate the number of kills, and getting enough banners to craft it feels like it should work, idk how else you can really beat that

bc it still makes you try to get it the normal way, but it doesn't fuck you over if you get dogshit rng

[tropic yoke]

Increase the chance by like .1% per failure?

Idk

[errant wren]

we are not adding shiny hunt streaks from pokemon

[drowsy plank]

again this is just a hardcoded version of fargo's banner system, they both get you to the same endpoint but the banners just seem way easier to code

lmfao

[golden sonnet]

honestly, i think i just don't like a ton of recipes. Upon concidering it if it was like, putting them in an extractinator or shimmering it I think i would like it a lot. I think I just personally have a strong disdain for everything being a recipe

[drowsy plank]

sure, shimmering banners works, idgaf, you get the basic idea

[errant wren]

make shimmering banners increase luck for specific items

[drowsy plank]

kldfjh;lkfgm

awesome

[gritty plaza]

Shimmering doesn't work if the enemy has more than one rare drop tho

[drowsy plank]

you could make it loop, or make it so stacks of banners give different items

[errant wren]

hence my obviously great solution

[drowsy plank]

lo

[gritty plaza]

add a new crafting station just for banner-to-item recipes

[errant wren]

solidifier into the shimmer

[gritty plaza]

be like a 2015 mc mod

throw the banner on the ground with a bunch of random filler

[fleet grotto]

...aren't tally counters the dungeon info accessory?

most of which are kept as just rare enemy drops?

[tropic yoke]

What about having others increasing the drop rate, didn’t Cal used to do that for the ankh items?

[fleet grotto]

what

[indigo yacht]

TRUE

on the topic of cell phone can we make a suggestion for a traveling merchant... fucking summoning item or something

just so that you can guaranteed get one once a day

to help with the already abysmal rng on that bastard

[grim tusk]

tally counter is so easy to get inside the dungeon

[indigo yacht]

against my better judgement i usually end up going for hand of creation in my longer playthroughs and it takes ages, like genuinely i usually only need 1 last item for it and that item is from the traveling merchant and it takes me nearly 3 hours of sleeping (on my fastest time) to get it

[grim tusk]

i always get like 3 in a single trip

[indigo yacht]

i don't think I've ever not gotten at least one tally counter drop before i reached archives

usually within five minutes of meandering around

[crude geode]

I feel like so few of the cellphone components are necessary for casual gameplay

[indigo yacht]

tbh none of them are, closest is lifeform analyzer

[drowsy plank]

depth meter and the ore/chest locator ones are also very nice

[frail fox]

Cellphone as a whole is very unnecessary but everyone always wants to get it just because that’s what everyone does, at least ankh materials are needed for valor and some debuff immunities are nice

[indigo yacht]

shoutout to the weather component for being completely useless 🔥

[errant wren]

fishing information

[frail fox]

Cellphone will be required to summon yharim so everyone has to get it

[errant wren]

yharim wants to know if you got games on yo phone

[indigo yacht]

"it's raining??? what??? I didn't notice!"

i think wind speed has like

technical use

[errant wren]

caves

like there is some use cases for the weather

[indigo yacht]

why would you need to know if it was raining while underground

if you went down to fish, you already would know

also torrential tear exists

[errant wren]

maybe you want rainbow bricks

idk

[indigo yacht]

when i was younger i used to obsess over rainbow bricks

i wanted to use them in builds but i never had enough

i think i tried to coat my hellevator with them

[tropic yoke]

What about shimmering information accessories like emblems, having it cycle

[indigo yacht]

i always wondered why you couldn't do that already, especially since other accessories that work similarly (specifically the fishing ones) actually do let you do that

[tropic yoke]

Wait fishing already does that?!

[indigo yacht]

angler earring, tackle bag, and fishing line cycle, yeah

i think there's another instance besides those and emblems but I can't remember it

[tropic yoke]

🗿_ _

I love shimmer, it should be shimmer

So I can craft 3 radars and shimmer em

[sleek turret]

I think the Cellphone materials sold by Traveller Merchant can be cycled

[gritty plaza]

I personally think most of the recipes should be changed to something else

Like yeah on the one hand being able to get hermes boots easier is nice but you're telling me you just rub silk with a swiftness potion and that's it?

[sleek turret]

True actually

[tropic yoke]

It’s like noita logic

You’re perpetually soaked in speed juice

How’s the Celestial Claymore suggestion?

Any pointers?

[median scaffold]

I think you don't focus on the topic enough

[tropic yoke]

?

Like where else it could come from?

[median scaffold]

(because tank is better)
even though there's no summon and there's already a melee weapon. Or it could be obtained in a completely different way 🤷‍♂️
Those comments specifically are not something that should be in the suggestion, imo

[tropic yoke]

Ah

[median scaffold]

You need to specify why Celestial Claymore doesn't fit into Biome Mimics theming and, if you really want to, suggest a vague enough solution to this problem

[glass arch]

if you're making a suggestion dont go off on tangents even if they're small

[median scaffold]

Yeah

Bonus points if your suggestion is relatively small

[tropic yoke]

At work, balancing that with thinking of ways to get a space sword

[tropic yoke]

There, made it less space themed and more fire/ice

[rose roost]

Ig but I was mainly talking about just the wording on what it does
but yea nothing new since older calamity had every item past a certain progression just be this stat bloat mess

[grave zinc]

@glass arch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

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@glass arch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Sea Urchin]

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[drowsy plank]

he's fucking dead jim

[distant gyro]

b

[golden sonnet]

o7

[frail fox]

No!

[glass arch]

yippee

[drowsy plank]

so does this mean urchin stingers are going to get a resprite

since they are now exclusive to aquatic urchins

[glass arch]

ideally aquatic urchins also get a resprite

[lucid marsh]

I wish I could post memes here because I just had the mental image of like, fabsol or someone pointing a gun at the sea urchin, but it's one of those funny stock images of just a hand holding a gun

[golden sonnet]

Blame Cit, murderer fr

[unborn stream]

what is this about cell phone components being consistent?? tally counter is free, just kill dungeon enemies. it's the travelling merchant items that genuinely suck

like am i missing something here

[drowsy plank]

bad rng georg appeared and took 1 billion angry bones kills to get one i guess lmao

[unborn stream]

i mean to be fair earlier i got three robot hats before getting a single compass lol

[lucid marsh]

That's happened to me, not getting the tally counter for like 2 hours straight

It's almost like maybe things that are really important shouldn't be purely luck based?

[golden sonnet]

they aren't important though

[unborn stream]

yeah I guess what confuses me is like, why tally counter specifically lol

compass and depth meter also have no recipes

(and once again also the travelling merchant items)

[unborn stream]

shellphone not important? first time I've heard that take

[frail fox]

I mean when you think about it yeah

[unborn stream]

y'know what I am thinking about it and yeah I'm starting to see it

[lucid marsh]

It's very nice to have and I always try to get one, it speeds up travel a lot

But it's not strictly necessary

[errant wren]

not required, nice to have

[frail fox]

You don’t really need most of the stats it provide it’s kinda just to declutter your inventory

[lucid marsh]

Still, having experienced it and then not having it next playthrough is very annoying

[unborn stream]

yeah that's what I was thinking

travel isn't an issue for me because i play with no pylon restrictions mod 😎

[lucid marsh]

But even if it's not required, it's like trying to play without half your inventory, it's that annoying

[unborn stream]

my inventory management is so bad lol

[errant wren]

assuming you bring everything with you

[frail fox]

Yeah cause like how many do you really want/need?

[errant wren]

you don't need most of the information most of the time

save for like

time

maybe moon phase

[unborn stream]

yeah watch and lifeform analyzer probably

[errant wren]

that one too

[unborn stream]

but that's still two inventory slots compared to the shellphone's one

[errant wren]

metal detector

if only that information were useful

[crude geode]

inventory is overrated

[novel belfry]

"inventory is overrated"

[crude geode]

in a normal playthrough it legitimately is

[errant wren]

i love how it says there's a chest nearby when it's my own

[crude geode]

we have pouch, piggy, and even safes and defender's vault if you're really granular

[unborn stream]

yeah but you have to open those up

it's like three or four extra clicks every time

[errant wren]

trash slot when it

[unborn stream]

plus they're like impossible to do when there are lots of enemies around

[crude geode]

void bag takes basically no effort to do and acts as your first set of extra inventory

[unborn stream]

and also the piggy and pouch randomly despawn while you're using them (i know it's not random but you get my point)

[sleek turret]

???????????????'

[crude geode]

after 3 minutes?????????????

[errant wren]

okay how long are you sitting there

genuinely

[unborn stream]

you've never farmed in the same area more than three minutes?

or fished

[crude geode]

fishing you should have a clean inventory anyways

[frail fox]

Yeah but like what situations would you be in where you’re swarmed by enemies and need to take out one?

[unborn stream]

they despawn surprisingly quickly

[sleek turret]

Just kill the enemies?

[crude geode]

also void bag doesn't, it just acts as direct deposit to another chest basically

[errant wren]

why would you need void bag open??

[unborn stream]

not often tbf but I get annoyed during invasions/events when i get banners and they go into my void bag

[unborn stream]

i am a psychopath who opens crates immediately

[errant wren]

at that point just

i don't know

[sleek turret]

You problem honestly

[unborn stream]

lol yeah i did say my inventory management is awful

[errant wren]

that's not inventory management

that's inventory abusing

[unborn stream]

true

auto trash totally isn't a bandaid

[indigo yacht]

and that's probably why it's a guaranteed spawn item in archives, in case that ends up happening to you a second time
the argument about multiplayer (from the suggestion, i know that you didn't bring it up at all) is a bit silly because calamity isn't balanced around multiplayer and sometimes is just broken in that regard

[indigo yacht]

thoughts on this also

[unborn stream]

travelling merchant QoL is sorely needed yeah

[indigo yacht]

i am not a huge fan of just getting the item because while yes i despise traveling merchant that seems super lame

a guaranteed spawn every day would help a lot while still being just aggravating enough to remain in theme

[errant wren]

travelling merchant hotline

[errant wren]

for real though, i feel like a "hotline" for him where it has some of the items he would've sold that day would actually be kinda cool

[indigo yacht]

that would also work pretty well, probably be more """balanced""" than summoning him in

[unborn stream]

what if when he spawns it's always at dawn so you could use the cosmolight

[errant wren]

cosmolight doesn't exist

[indigo yacht]

i forgot that you can even use cosmolight because i half the time end up farming for merchant in phm

[unborn stream]

cosmolight should be pre boss

[errant wren]

inherently i feel like that takes away from the experience

we need people to still play the game

totally

[drowsy plank]

i feel like it would be easier to just let the items shimmer into each other

i swore a sugg for that already passed anyway

[errant wren]

ok but what if i want vanity

[unborn stream]

and afking for traveling merchant is playing the game? /j

[indigo yacht]

i was about to add a rebuttal that "then you can just buy a bunch of copies of what you need and shimmer them" then realized that "wait that would be peak wtf am i complaining about"

[unborn stream]

yeah tbh I am surprised you can't shimmer them in vanilla

[indigo yacht]

i much prefer shimmer to god damned mother fucking crafting

[unborn stream]

random idea what if shimmering the traveling merchant rerolled his shop, surely that wouldn't suck

[indigo yacht]

burn

[errant wren]

shimmered shop where he just has different but useless inventory

[drowsy plank]

dirt blocks

[crude geode]

the rock

[indigo yacht]

they should make it so that traveling merchant takes your highest damage class and then doesn't ever sell any items for that class

[drowsy plank]

yeah lol

[errant wren]

the 2 fargo's dlc players:

[drowsy plank]

already in the game 👍

[indigo yacht]

ok then can we do hoc components too

[errant wren]

hand of creation will be a xeroc drop

[indigo yacht]

nuh uh

[unborn stream]

me when the painter doesn't sell the paint sprayer

[crude geode]

"Hand of Cooler Creation"
-Opens up cheat sheet

[indigo yacht]

obliterated

[errant wren]

i love gift cards

[crude geode]

money

[errant wren]

still, it would be funny to have shimmered tm be completely useless

[golden sonnet]

FREE 20$ FREE FREE

[errant wren]

HOLY SHIT FREE 20$⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️

WHERE

[golden sonnet]

yep free 20$!, you just need to give me your credit card so I can steal everything in it!

[errant wren]

[drowsy plank]

if you want to suggest that for the travelling merchant ones im sure people would appreciate it tbh; swore it has been suggested before

[unborn stream]

free $20 if you go in the dungeon while the old man is there