suggestions-discussion

[indigo yacht]

same, i just find it an unnecessary irritant

[tropic yoke]

Would it be an out-of-this-world suggestion to remove the amethyst/topaz limitation on planetoids?

I know that it's because Calamity changes worldgen to limit higher tier gems to lower parts of the world

They used to have any gem and it wasn't super OP, and it was colorful

[indigo yacht]

you get votes by being persuasive, and one aspect of being persuasive is convincing people that what you think should be changed deserves to be in the game

[indigo yacht]

i honestly just get amber, so much faster and i already go to the underground desert for conch and chisel at the beginning of the game

[tropic yoke]

Hella useful for getting spirit glyph, crystalline, diamond staff/robe, etc.

[indigo yacht]

too tedious to mine way the hell down for diamonds

still need rubies for king slime but a hook makes everything better

[tropic yoke]

Also since the crawlers are getting reworked... I'll see the spoilers doc to see if there's plans to remove drops

[indigo yacht]

they're getting what 😭

[tropic yoke]

ye

[indigo yacht]

evil

[tropic yoke]

Nah good

[indigo yacht]

why is the acid rain frog there

[tropic yoke]

Not sure about the sapphire one, seems too orange

[tropic yoke]

It bip a smol beastie wip four leggies

[indigo yacht]

This one Not so much.

[indigo yacht]

ok the acid rain one is more floppy

that just kinda looks like a rename and resprite though

[tropic yoke]

Ehh idk ig they just like frogs

[indigo yacht]

Allow for Giant Plantera Bulbs to be broken without spawning Plantera

The Vernal Pass, a structure in the underground jungle, contains Vernal Soil with the unique property to grow Giant Plantera Bulbs (which function like normal Plantera Bulbs). In prehardmode, they are closed and cannot be broken; in hardmode, they spawn Plantera.

The Vernal Pass is intended to be used as a Plantera arena, however it can be tedious to make one, as the player often desires to remove a bulb, but cannot do so without being forced to spawn in Plantera, which wastes time. Furthermore, many players like to use the Pass as a Queen Bee arena, since it can then be reused for both Plantera and Plaguebringer Goliath. Allowing a spawn-free way to destroy bulbs would make it more convenient for people making Plantera arenas, and if the method was accessible in prehardmode, also for people making Queen Bee arenas.

Also, if the mechanic was accessible in prehardmode, perhaps there could be a way to spawn in Plantera before killing the Wall of Flesh. Just an idea. ;)

up to three birds with one stone?

idk I'll wait to post this one even if i dont change it

I've been making a lot of suggestions

[tropic yoke]

You have

[indigo yacht]

i really want armor jump precedence fixed and i know people probably don't scroll too far up in the voting channel

[tropic yoke]

Should I keep modding or keep doing my true melee run

Bored of thinking of suggestions

[indigo yacht]

2nd one, coding is scary

[tropic yoke]

I like coding

It's usually peaceful

[indigo yacht]

fake programmer

[tropic yoke]

I just code mods

[indigo yacht]

i dont think I've ever felt peaceful when coding anything

[tropic yoke]

If I knew how I'd do shaders and a whole game

I coded the FUCK out of my starter-bag-boss the other day

Spriting is 10x harder

And coding vfx is 100x

Cuz you have to use math and objectiveness to create something that "looks good"

[gritty plaza]

Who put slugcats in calamity?

[fleet grotto]

those are palworld pals

[wet vigil]

Have you ever even played Rain World?

[gritty plaza]

yes

the white one looks a bit like a slugcat

[tropic yoke]

I thought of pokemon when I saw it

[safe pine]

depends for me, sometimes it's "what's going wrong!" and sometimes it's like implementing more instances of something I've already figured out, and I can just... do it and it's fairly peaceful

[wet vigil]

Looks closer to a White Lizard

[blazing trout]

i have a love hate realtionship with coding. the lows are really fucking low but the highs are to die for. nothing beats the feleing of fixing a bug youve bene debugigng for 12 hours but at the same time nothing is worse than debugigng for 12 hours

worst thing is the solution is always so simple like a useless check or random indentation that fucks up the order of execution

[grizzled dome]

linters are your friend!

[blazing trout]

i lowk had no idea those existed until now, they actually sound so useful.

[grizzled dome]

trust me, they make life infinitely more bearable. It makes it much less likely that the dumb bug you spent 12 hours trying to fix was a syntax error or mismatched parentheses or something!

[olive saddle]

theres no better feeling than actually scripting something to work with a shoddy work around but it actually fucking working

[blazing trout]

ill definately check them out tomorrow then thanks!

[indigo yacht]

i disagree, i think it feels very ungood when you have to make something shoddy to fix a problem

[grizzled dome]

it's honestly both.

[blazing trout]

literally. it's messy and probably illegible to experienced programmers but it works and i can read it and i know how it works so does it really matter.

[olive saddle]

i dont think it matters how you fix it, if it works, then it fuckin works

[blazing trout]

and this also then lets me feel like im smarter than i actually am when i go back to check my code and i notice some redundancies

[olive saddle]

oh, i mean the shoddy way is the ONLY way to fix the problem

as in you've been theorizing for like a year on how to fix it and nothing really ticked

[indigo yacht]

how would you know that

[olive saddle]

because ive been working on this thing for about a year and ive been thinking hard on how to actually fix it, but nothing relaly came to mind until recently

also because origins is a bitch

[blazing trout]

oh waht have you been working on

[olive saddle]

a custom origin for minecraft where its whole gimmick is using combos using various weaponry

but jesus christ actually coding it took me like a year and a half because the thing was so fucking buggy

i actually completed it in like 3 days but thats only due to the shoddy ass workaround

[errant wren]

how did we get here

[blazing trout]

oh sounds interesitng. whats an origin btw

[errant wren]

mod in minecraft that adds custom races, then people made add-ons for it

something like that

but seriously how did we get here

[olive saddle]

idk this is the suggestions channel

back on topic: good to see people understand my suggestion about adrenaline

[errant wren]

oh yeah that is a good sugg

[olive saddle]

had it happen a bit earlier

[errant wren]

maybe like a buffer so you don't just hold it down the whole time, but idk

still a neat feature that i feel most people would enjoy

[safe pine]

yep, the failing is annoying but I find it worth it, I enjoy most things that way weirdly

nohitting takes forever and can be miserable, but beating the tough bosses feels great (not as much but eh), coding is same for debugging, mtg same for deckbuilding, etc etc

[olive saddle]

i will say as someone whos been doing this on and off for like 2 years it can at times be fun or miserable

[unborn stream]

okay so two mech bosses between being able to fight cryogen and being able to mine cryonic ore feels a bit odd to me

it does make some sense to have cryogen available before cryonic ore can be mined, since it unlocks the archmage and also has weapon drops of its own

but two whole tiers seems like a bit much to me

imo a good solution would be to make the cryo key require a hardmode anvil, and thus moving cryogen forward slightly in progression

what are y'all's thoughts

[echo leaf]

It is a bit odd, yeah, but it’s not a big enough issue to really worry about, I don’t think

[median scaffold]

Cryogenic ore should not be tied to Cryogen altogether, imo

[boreal lichen]

Go on

[humble mist]

i think it’s fine being tied to cryogen

[drowsy plank]

cryogen should explode forever

[humble mist]

alternatively it could spawn right at the start of hardmode but that’d either add another message to the wall of text you get after killing wof
or just not be easy to find out about by yourself

[humble mist]

this is true

[drowsy plank]

#suggestions-discussion message

[humble mist]

oh i did not know about that

interesting

[drowsy plank]

you can still have cryo give a message that the ore is uncursed a la hive/perfs and aerialite tbf

[dense ferry]

Oh I didn't even know that passed

I'm still against it

But we'll see what comes of it in the future

[echo leaf]

I did hear that the defeat of WoF already does so much worldgen that adding more to it wouldn’t be a good idea

[boreal lichen]

Yeah the lag spike

[dense ferry]

Yes, I think that's the biggest reason

[indigo yacht]

move cobalt and palladium generation back to demon altars to confuse the fuck out of newer players

[echo leaf]

Maybe mech2 could generate Cryonic

[indigo yacht]

it would possibly help with lag

[dense ferry]

You could say "just delay it for a while after" like we did with Astral Infection but that one was specifically tailored to work like that. I also still think there is literally no problem to making it generate after Cryogen and I don't understand any arguments against it

[indigo yacht]

i suspect it might be related to the boss lock and the desire to make more things accessible without killing bosses

since the alternative is killing ravager

[drowsy plank]

yeah i know we had a conversation about this previously and you said it would add too much to the gen at the start of hardmode or something

[dense ferry]

Cog's suggestion says it could still be locked via Cryogen like Deus locks Astral Ore, either way if the argument is "it makes the Mod less boss centered", to that I simply answer

You don't make the Mod less boss centered by removing content from Bosses

[drowsy plank]

that's not what i said

[dense ferry]

I know, I'm just throwing a rebuttal to a possible argument

[indigo yacht]

i was more leaning into the progression skipping route but going perforators/deus route doesn't lean that way either

[drowsy plank]

"This behavior would make Cryonic less obtuse by making it consistent with all other vanilla Hardmode ores and let players discover it more easily by finding it while they gather Essence of Eleum and the like."

[indigo yacht]

why can you even mine unenchanted aeralite

it does nothing

[drowsy plank]

nice looking block ig

[dense ferry]

Also you can't unless you skip Evils 2 entirely

And go into Hardmode

You need Cobalt to mine it

[indigo yacht]

yeah that's why i think it's silly

esp since you can literally just shimmer cobalt and get normal aeralite

if the reason is nice block which tbf it is a pleasant sprite i feel like there should be a way to get it after killing evil 2 although this is completely off topic

[echo leaf]

witch doctor should be able to disenchant aerilate

[sleek turret]

just graveyard recipe it ez

[drowsy plank]

what's the point of not making it mineable if ur in hardmode
u clearly dont care about the ore so it would just make it annoying to clear sky islands out or something
i do think that getting the unenchanted block would be nice if you just shove it in chloro extractinator or something

[median scaffold]

rue

[median scaffold]

I don't remember what happened to the suggestion of making Cryogenic spawn upon entering hardmode, but I think it made a good amount of sense

[indigo yacht]

simply spawn it upon world generation

trust

[spice stream]

true!

[rugged belfry]

Obviously the best move is to spawn every endgame ore on world generation

[indigo yacht]

fr

[boreal lichen]

Genius

[humble mist]

so true

mining in the jungle early on with all endgame ores pre-spawned sounds like a nightmare

[gilded citrus]

Gotta love coming across providences ore corpse before killing providence

[fleet grotto]

Add a config to disable special hurtsounds from equipment
For example, Titan Heart armor.
While not many, a few pieces of player equipment replace the normal player hurtsound with a different one. These can often make it difficult to recognize when the player gets hit, especially when the player has knockback immunity from other equipment, even moreso if they don't constantly look at their HP. Adding some way to disable these special effects would allow players using the certain equipment that alters their hurtsounds to easier recognize when they take damage. Because not all players would have these issues, I recommend adding a way to toggle this, such as a config option.

is there an easy way to do this im just completely missing

like vanity or smth

[echo leaf]

I’m not aware of any way to do this right now

Suggestion looks fine though

[fleet grotto]

oh okay

[cold cosmos]

Do people rely on hurtsounds?

I usually don't play with sound on, is this a common thing that people do

[echo leaf]

I’m not sure if I do or not

[worthy lintel]

people often compliment hydrothermic armor because its set bonus screams at you that you're in danger

and that calamity could really use a global indicator that you're about to die

[indigo yacht]

just use hair dye smh

[hollow shell]

I wonder if that will ever happen.

[violet zephyr]

Idea!

You had to do a quest, given by Permafrost, so that he can fully trust you with Cryonic.

[hollow shell]

That's somewhat more interesting than what it is currently I suppose

[crude geode]

Boss Ore spawned after Boss 5000

[boreal lichen]

This makes a lot of sense actually

[stark locust]

Is this good to post?

[median scaffold]

I guess that's fine, although a little bit too much words in one sentence, imo

[grizzled dome]

Improve Slime Rain Post-ML

In both vanilla Terraria and Calamity, the defeat of a major boss is typically heralded with a new, or sometimes improved, invasion of some type. However, despite Moon Lord's nature as a pivotal boss, there is no new invasion contention immediately post-Moon Lord. By improving Slime Rain at this point, an event which is obsolete by this point in progression, we can resolve this disparity. This also provides an opportunity to do something with the Slime God, whose last appearance is currently an afterthought attached to a purely vanilla boss.

Thoughts?

[frail fox]

The original goozma

[grizzled dome]

another reason to potentially do this, which I couldn't figure out how to work into the suggestion: you could add some of the "ore slimes" added by Calamity, making the event useful for farming those materials if you still need more (for building or something).

[drowsy plank]

it's an interesting idea but i feel like it focuses too much on a specific implementation

[grizzled dome]

Yeah, that was my fear.

[drowsy plank]

the slime rain/slime god idea could be an example but i feel like you should just focus more on an early post-ML event and explain that it would improve vanilla consistency and that there is a severe lack of event content in this leg of the game

that feels more reasonable

[grizzled dome]

Yeah. I wanted like 4 different things out of this suggestion and really should have focused on exactly one of them (we should have an event post-ML).

[violet zephyr]

Why Slime Rain?

[grizzled dome]

...it'd be really cool, modifying an event might be easier than making a new one, you wouldn't be losing anything by losing slime rain at this point, it makes it so that the first boss after entering a new phase of the game would be slimelike (to parallel King and Queen Slime), and Slime God deserves a proper denouncement or fight.

but that's not a good reason for a suggestion, so I'm going to pare it down to just the important part, which is "there should be an event".

[violet zephyr]

I think you are the first person I've heard in my life to describe Slime Rain in any form as "cool".

[grizzled dome]

no, it could be cool.

There's a distinction there.

[violet zephyr]

So could most things.

A third tier of Goblin Army could be cool.

[drowsy plank]

no need to have a discussion on the "it would be cool" argument, it is something we've have very clearly pointed out means nothing many a time

since it means completely different things to every single person who makes it

[errant wren]

but it would be cool

anyways

[grizzled dome]

Add a post-ML event

Vanilla Terraria periodically adds new invasions as you progress through the game, or occasionally improves existing ones. With the additional content added by Calamity, Moon Lord is placed as a pivotal boss, of similar importance to the Wall of Flesh in terms of progression. However, unlike the Wall of Flesh, no new or improved events are added until after the Devourer of Gods. Adding a new event immediately post-Moon Lord, or improving an existing one, would create parity with vanilla content and reinforce "post-Moon Lord" as a distinct stage of progression.

How about that?

[drowsy plank]

this seems pretty solid, but id add an additional argument about how it could help break up the monotony of the type of content post-ML (mostly killing bosses, occasionally blowing up your world for An Ore)

[errant wren]

i think broadening it to "more event-oriented content in post-ML" could be a bit better

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[violet zephyr]

Now would be a good time to mention the "No Extreme Effort" rule.

[drowsy plank]

that's not something we decide

[violet zephyr]

There is a definitive list. One of the things listed is a new event.

[indigo yacht]

personally i would rather slime rain just not happen upon entering... even hardmode, honestly, it's just an irritant and I can't see how adding more depth would fix that after maybe the first occurrence of it

[errant wren]

adding more content is inherently extreme effort

[violet zephyr]

So while you don't decide it, it was clearly already decided.

[drowsy plank]

new event =/= new event content

adding another tier to a previous event isn't making a new one, and i dont think it's such a stretch to be offered as an idea

[grizzled dome]

...see, I agree broadening it to "sometime post-moonlord" would make sense, but I also feel like the right spot is immediately post-Moon Lord. Maybe something like this?

[drowsy plank]

the right spot isn't your decision to make, to be fair

[indigo yacht]

readd goozma officially

[drowsy plank]

being more vague helps the suggestion have more likelyhood to be added

[violet zephyr]

The title of the suggestion is called "Add a post-ML event". Several times does the suggest ask for a new event. A new event is also very clearly prioritised over making an existing one upgrade in Post-ML.

[drowsy plank]

we did point out that that suggestion wasn't great

the new proposed title was "more event-oriented content in post-ML"

which is not adding a new event

[errant wren]

oh hey i said that

[grizzled dome]

I wasn't intending to prioritize that. I'd be fine with upgrading an existing event.

I'm not saying it doesn't read as wanting a brand new event, but it's not supposed to read that way.

[drowsy plank]

which is something that should be addressed in how it is written

which i feel like we were doing

furthermore, that rule in particular is... weird

[grizzled dome]

Add post-ML event content

Vanilla Terraria periodically adds new invasions as you progress through the game, or occasionally improves existing ones. With the additional content added by Calamity, Moon Lord is placed as a pivotal boss, of similar importance to the Wall of Flesh in terms of progression. However, unlike in hardmode, no events are added or upgraded until after the Devourer of Gods. Adding a new event post-Moon Lord, or improving an existing one, would create parity with vanilla content, reinforce "post-Moon Lord" as a distinct stage of gameplay, and increase content diversity at this point in progression.

[errant wren]

something something "the endgame is somewhat lacking in terms of events, which are integral to the base game" oh nevermind

[drowsy plank]

the example for something that violates it is about reworking power cells which is... something that has both been discussed and suggested many times in here

[violet zephyr]

That is the fixed example...

[drowsy plank]

oh lmao

[violet zephyr]

Or well...

"Fixed", since as the rule states, a lot of them are definitive "Don't"s.

[drowsy plank]

god im out of it i was just taking a break from like 3 hours of classwork videos

regardless, you should just pivot this to be more about improving/upgrading an existing event as a new event is clearly out of scope for a suggestion

it is listed explictly in the don'ts after all

but i do agree that event-oriented content would be a worthy endeavor to look into if nothing else

like there is acid rain but

[errant wren]

acid rain doesn't exist post-ml

[drowsy plank]

idk ive heard some stuff about improving tier 3 but it's all still very, yknow, in development and idk if it will fix the problem

tier 3 is explictly post-ML

it's how you currently summon Old Duke

[errant wren]

shhhhhh

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[grizzled dome]

Add post-ML event content

Vanilla Terraria periodically adds new invasions as you progress through the game, or occasionally improves existing ones. With the additional content added by Calamity, Moon Lord is placed as a pivotal boss, of similar importance to the Wall of Flesh in terms of progression. However, unlike the Wall of Flesh, no new or improved events are added until Polterghast. Expanding upon or strengthening an invasion would create parity with vanilla content, reinforce "post-Moon Lord" as a distinct stage of progression, and break up the monotony of content at this stage of play.

[drowsy plank]

you should also mention the monotony of content thing we discussed and i think it would be fine then? worse case scenario someone else comes in and tells me off or something

[errant wren]

(i loathe having to do acid rain to fight old duke because i never get the fun minibosses)

[drowsy plank]

ture

[violet zephyr]

I'm really not sure how much different an upgraded event is to a new event is, really. You'd still need to make new enemies, with AIs for them and currently existing ones (to facilitate the player having better movement options), you'd still need to make something to make the event worthwhile.

[violet zephyr]

You can get Bloodworms and summon Old Duke that way, if you wish.

[errant wren]

shhhhhhhh

[drowsy plank]

it's dubious, but i think adding a couple enemies, similarly to how goblins just get warlock in hardmode, along with buffing the fodder's base stats, would be fairly low effort while still accomplishing the goal

if you think the current form of the suggestion is still problematic, that angle in particular could be suggested, but i think such a thing would likely be semi-self explanatory with the suggestion itself

[errant wren]

can't wait for post-providence goblin army where they fired the archers and got gunners instead

[drowsy plank]

real

[grizzled dome]

...honestly, if vanilla terraria had post-ML content, it feels like that's where the Martian Invasion would belong... but that's a separate issue.

[drowsy plank]

again

[fleet grotto]

idk why vanilla would have post moonlord content

[drowsy plank]

funniest fucking thing, ive had this exact discussion before and we came to that same conclusion

[errant wren]

post-dog martians will be amazing

[drowsy plank]

but we generally decided that that would be too drastic of a change for a mod that wasn't designed to do that explictly, especially with compatability in mind

[grizzled dome]

Basically the only reason why Martian Invasion is pre-ML is because it already got put there in vanilla. And that's a solid reason for it to be there, but at the same time...

[indigo yacht]

clearly the solution is that we should remove the martian invasion entirely and make all its drops obtainable via fishing

[errant wren]

incredible

[drowsy plank]

moving it post-ML would also help the content have more of a niche because you also run into like 5 bosses at that point in progression so it's easy to overlook them

but simultaneously calamity has weapons which are upgrade to martian items pre-ML so it just kinda all blows up after you think about that

[hollow shell]

Suggestion could be a bit clearer that it's asking for expansion to existing events and not adding new events
And
It could also be a bit clearer it's referring to immediate post-ML, not the whole game stage

Both are potential sources of kneejerk reactions against it from those reading it

Because the former is outright disallowed (high effort) and the latter is already the case (acid rain, holiday moons, eclipse)

((... Pirates never get expanded, maybe it could be them))

[drowsy plank]

moons and eclipse are dying so it's just acid rain

[hollow shell]

Dying when

[olive saddle]

The distortion

When that is? Good question

[errant wren]

it's in 14

[tropic yoke]

_ _

[hollow shell]

If so then that's not relevant for several more years and this suggestion doesn't even need to begin to account for that.

[tropic yoke]

YEARS

[crude geode]

That feels like it straddles the line of how suggs have been treated so far

[hollow shell]

It will probably be the largest scope update Calamity has ever released

[crude geode]

Which is to say, future content has been used to shutdown current suggs about features that currently suck

I can’t recall specific examples but it’s definitely happened

[hollow shell]

Not for stuff that far off (afaik)

Only Yharim is above Distortion in terms of distance from now
(and uhh real Xeroc and Noxus I suppose)

[tropic yoke]

Idk seems pretty reasonably simple from what I hear

Like obv it'd take time but like

A new dimension, when subworld library exists and there's just some basic worldgen code and some new tiles and enemies required

Nothin 19 devs or however many couldn't handle

[boreal lichen]

It'll still be very large

[tropic yoke]

I mean I made a whole biome in 4 days

oop

shoutout scam accounts

[hollow shell]

SSO has been in the works for, what, 8 months?
And that's reworking a biome that already exists.

We're talking adding multiple new biomes in one update.

[boreal lichen]

Yeah

[hollow shell]

Biomes. Plural.

[boreal lichen]

Not to mention all of the old content being changed with it too

[tropic yoke]

Not to sound rude but like what exact part is so lengthy, assuming just sprites because those are a bitch and a half to make

Is it a "too many cooks" situation, taking too long for everyone to agree what to do?

[hollow shell]

Making sure it doesn't suck out the gate is a big part of it

So that the devs don't have to go back and "fix" it like they've had to update so much older Calamity content

[tropic yoke]

Like fun mechanics and exploration? Bugs?

I'm just hella curious how the development of a big mod goes

[hollow shell]

You could churn out the whole dimension in a few days or weeks if all you cared about was getting it done and not how good it was

[tropic yoke]

When's the next playtester app comin out? That a common thing?

[crude geode]

Not really iirc

[tropic yoke]

sad

[crude geode]

Applications are only really for mods

[tropic yoke]

Ah it's like being rich, gotta have connections

[crude geode]

Devs and Testers usually are hand picked from the community, and only really ones that are in the devs’ eyes

Shade is the one I can think of off the top of my head

[sleek turret]

Blast?

CIT even

[crude geode]

Yeah

Plenty of them

[sleek turret]

nohit cord pipeline

[crude geode]

Truly

[olive saddle]

Calamity should spend 3 years developing the entire mod and adding yharim along with every boss rework definitely mhm yep

[tropic yoke]

wh-

[maiden quartz]

hire this man immediately

[tropic yoke]

I just wonder about if I walked into the new SS right now, what'd be undone with it

Besides maybe sprites, what'd not pass QA

[maiden quartz]

yharim

[tropic yoke]

_ _

[hollow shell]

[tropic yoke]

🙏_ _

[hollow shell]

A dev might be willing to disclose if asked or maybe not

[errant wren]

if i joined the development team, there will be less typos during development

like, 4 less in total

[indigo yacht]

if i joined the development team i would do nothing because I'm really bad at working with tmodloader code

[maiden quartz]

fewer*
-# which does prove your point

[errant wren]

explode

[hollow shell]

(It's okay, I didn't do code either, nor spriting nor art,
and I was still an active dev for like 4 years )

[tropic yoke]

As long as we got the rover drive accessory

[indigo yacht]

such a good accessory though

[tropic yoke]

Honestly

Personal Shield Generator in Terraria carries

[glass arch]

if i joined i would add typos

[tropic yoke]

_ _

[north oracle]

Meeeee (and angel and raesh)

[median scaffold]

@gusty cedar
SIS (check the rules)

[hollow shell]

This is a kind of suggestion that you're not supposed to make

Specifying an exact item

The suggestion channels are more for solving problems

[gusty cedar]

oh ill delete it then

[hollow shell]

👍

Thanks for understanding

[gusty cedar]

i read the "SIS" but i understood it in the exact opposite way lol

[hollow shell]

heh

God imagine using the Don't guide as a list of things to do

Suggestion that violates all rules

[frozen hornet]

geneva convention vs geneva suggestion

[olive saddle]

i might try this but not actually post it in #suggestions-posting

Add tf2 mode
(fake suggestion)

adding tf2 mode would be funny and cool. it could remake the purity to f2fort and be harder than malice mode (rip medic mode bring it back) and add a new class called the team fortress and make it give a 10th accessroy slot to show its hard!!!

i think kindsbane needs an overhal as well. resprite it make it look the tf2 minigun and play heavy voicelines like " She weighs one hundred fifty kilograms and fires two hundred dollar, custom-tooled cartridges at ten thousand rounds per minute. [looks intently at viewer] It costs four hundred thousand dollars to fire this weapon...for twelve seconds." . make it shoot custom built cartridages and make it shoot 400 rounds per minute! kingsbane needs a buff as it only kills exos within 3 minutes and thirty9 seconds. very bad also fix the bug where it spins up instead of instantly firing then add a tf2 channel for all the 4ft2 enjoys!!

also make yharim look like scout with this mode enabled! make him say im running circles around you! with this mode as well supreme calamitas come back in eyebal! i think it would make supcmal harder due to eyabla noise!!! you should readd medic mode and team fortress mode and itd increae download and be fun and cool! make various bosses say team fortass voice lines like I am Heavy Weapons Guy and itd be awesome and cool and make yharon say "I AM BULLETPROOF" when being hbealed thats bed so cacool and awesome

ok lets see

discord server change
bugfix (bonus points because its not even a real bug)
balance
resprite
SIS
Extreme effort (bonus points for multiple areas here)
future content
references
readding removed content
adding more accessory slots
joke suggestion (maybe)

this is perhaps the worst thing i have ever written, i went full autismo on this one

i think the only one i didnt break was the joke suggestion

which could easily be fixed

jesus christ

[frozen hornet]

Finally

[olive saddle]

i could go into more detail and break the rules below about it being short or boss balance but i genuinely cant be fucked to put that much more effort in

ok i added more detial

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-posting message Hey uhhh, isn't this already planned?

[median scaffold]

It could be, but who 👃

[grizzled dome]

If it is, I had no idea about it, and it’s not in the changelogs afaik.

[whole tundra]

Just checked the future doc and a Dragonfolly event is a discussed idea

[frail fox]

There’s that but the suggestion is primarily about making changes to pre-existing events (mostly cause just suggesting new events isn’t allowed obviously)

[lucid marsh]

Someone should pin this, it's a masterpiece

[versed zenith]

We need more post-ml whips

[versed zenith]

after eol there are no more whips until post calamitas

[ripe owl]

Me when the future content

(whips are planned)

[versed zenith]

oh thank god

[boreal lichen]

There will be like 4

[drowsy plank]

...

@hollow shell how is asking for calamity whips not on the don'ts doc?

i just did a find and replace on mobile so maybe mobile docs is just trash but i swore that was on there already, and they're very much already planned so i dont see much of a point in allowing people to make these kinds of suggestions

also i do not think calamity is ever going to add "ultra rare" items like this because it typically just translates to "content no one ever sees"

in fact most of the time calamity actively removes rarity from items

[olive saddle]

FUCK I SHOULDVE PUT WHIPS ON THERE TOO

[whole tundra]

"add more calamity whips"

[versed zenith]

also buff rouge (jk)

[drowsy plank]

rouge is a color, rogue is the class

also kaleidoscope is more than enough for even scal so summoner is more than fine for now, even if it's a bit boring

[versed zenith]

if im not going for a full dmg build then i cant do much dmg if my summons are on smth else

[glass arch]

kaleido is fuckin ridiculous

[versed zenith]

agreed

[drowsy plank]

why would your summons not be targeting what you're whipping, whips give minion targeting to whatever you hit

[median scaffold]

Rouge is a character, what 💔

[median scaffold]

Grab your staff
Right click your enemy
Boom, you fixed the auto targetting problem

Also yeah, whips are going to be added in the, presumably, next update

[gilded citrus]

Id think sso2 since tgats when tthe rebalance happens

[drowsy plank]

shuki i want you to think for 5 seconds where the character might have possibly gotten her name from

[median scaffold]

I have no brain and I must type

[spice stream]

from calamity

[drowsy plank]

so true

rouge the bat from the calamity mod

[spice stream]

yeah!

[median scaffold]

Rouge the Bat was my favourite class

[versed zenith]

only works if you dont use whips

like at all

[sleek turret]

Just change the weapon that you're using quickly to the summoner staff?

[versed zenith]

the staff target system is the same one that whips use bruh

i wonder when the next update is tho so i can use the new whips

[drowsy plank]

again, what you hit with your whip is targeted by your minions

so i dont understand what the problem is here

[versed zenith]

multiple enemeis is the problem

[drowsy plank]

and how exactly does more whips help this problem in any way?

[versed zenith]

the stats on the new whips will def be stronger then the kelaidoscope

[median scaffold]

Just... kill enemies with the butcher tool at this point

[versed zenith]

i aint a sissy bruh

[median scaffold]

So why would stronger whips help with minions not being able to target multiple enemies???????

[versed zenith]

so i can kill the enemies myself and not with the minions

[spice stream]

but thats summoner’s whole thing

[median scaffold]

...so, for example
You have a whip that is strong enough to dish out about the same DPS as your minions do to DoG

Are you sure this is fair?

[versed zenith]

post moon lord if i dont have summons with pierce and theres a group of enemies then im done for if they have a mid amount of hp

[versed zenith]

is it fair if i have a whip that does about 1,1 k dps for the entire post moon lord?

and by that i mean with the armor and accesory bonuses

[median scaffold]

More often than not minions have infinite piercing and are generally fast, so you basically stun-lock most non-boss enemies

[median scaffold]

Yes, because you forget about tag damage and critical chance tag

[versed zenith]

a lot of minions that i use had not much pierce and when there were bigger groups of enemies i could do nothing

[median scaffold]

Those 2 attributes make Kaleidoscope good enough to be easily used for post-Endgame — the stage where summoner is arguably the strongest compared to other classes

And we shouldn't forget that Kaleidoscope has good enough DPS by itself on stages that you obtain it, so a weapon that lasts about 13 bosses and doesn't fall off is... something

[versed zenith]

dude kalaidoscope isnt that strong

[median scaffold]

By itself in post-ML? Yeah, maybe
With minions? I would heavily disagree

[versed zenith]

listen 1 held weapon for the ENTIRE post moonlord phase until endgame is just unfair for summoners

[median scaffold]

I wouldn't argue that using Kaleidoscope for the enterity of post-ML is boring as fuck, but you shouldn't deny the fact that Kaleidoscope is strong even much further into the game

[versed zenith]

listen it gets frustrating when i have to use 1 weapon for the entiritey of post ml and it is okay with its demage but its not strong

[drowsy plank]

probably not actually; most likely most whips will be curbed just like minions stats themselves to bring summoner more in line with the other classes. kaliedo is busted out the ass rn, and summoner is easily the strongest class, so, again, not going to change anything

god i cant believe ur complaining about kaliedo being too weak

[median scaffold]

They just wanted to make a nuke on a whip, don't worry that much!

[versed zenith]

im complaining about kalaidoscope because while playing rouge i had around double the dps on most bosses except dog

[drowsy plank]

then you're not doing it right

[versed zenith]

how am i using a whip wrong

and im using the best minnions i could get

[drowsy plank]

maybe you're playing too passively or something, idk, i don't even know what your gear is but i know from dozens of other testers that that is just not accurate

[echo leaf]

DPS is a terrible metric for deciding weapon effectiveness

[median scaffold]

PRIKKI!!

[median scaffold]

Especially with stealth rogue

[median scaffold]

So, what was your gear and "the best minions"?

[versed zenith]

im using a mod that reworks the dps meter to be actualy acurate

[echo leaf]

You had a higher DPS on rogue because they have extremely high burst damage, inflating the DPS meter. Then they have moments with zero DPS which the DPS meter cannot track

[versed zenith]

literaly the best minnions i could get at those stages i was even using the wiki

[median scaffold]

Oh, my favourite weapon — the best minion staff!
...jokes aside, can you tell me at least one of those minions, please?

[gilded citrus]

Its best to mix and match minions and not one singular one iirc

[echo leaf]

Depends on the minion

[versed zenith]

i spent around 40 minutes figuring out the best ares exo skelton combo post exo mechs

[versed zenith]

stelar torus staff for an example

[echo leaf]

torii also suffer the DPS issue 🥺

[median scaffold]

Yeah

It doesn't attack consistently, unlike many other minions on the same stage

[versed zenith]

the only thing im saying is that summoner should get more whips cuz having a quite bland whip that is good but its just bland

[versed zenith]

i was using it just after killing moon lord

since its possible to kill a storm weaver early

[median scaffold]

I didn't see anyone arguing here that summoner shouldn't get more whips, just that Kaleidoscope in its current version is a little bit too overtuned for when it is available

[median scaffold]

Stellar Torus is not the summon for everything, but Storm Weaver itself and DoG

[echo leaf]

It will get more whips, yes

[versed zenith]

well sometimes it is good with dps but for some time it is usless

[versed zenith]

i know

[median scaffold]

Oh, and I guess CV also falls under that umbrella, but... eh, I don't like Stellar Torus personally

[versed zenith]

but i said that before i got to know that info and after that this guy is saying kaleidoscope is enought for summoner

[echo leaf]

It is
Summoner is, uh

fucked up

as the kids say

[median scaffold]

.

[versed zenith]

thats what im saying

[versed zenith]

.

[echo leaf]

So adding new whips to make it more fucked up is also, indeed, fucked up

[versed zenith]

i got to know this before you started arguing with me that kaleidoscope is enough

there are 2 classes compleatly out of balance and summoner which has 1 whip for post moon lord

[drowsy plank]

yes and summoner and that whip are so strong that it doesnt matter because it still works

i dont feel like digging it up but kalei shaved like 2 minutes off scal or something

which is insane

[versed zenith]

i dont care that its good with demage its unbalanced and it is the only held weapon for post moon lord

thats why we should get more whips

[median scaffold]

Damn, can we just stop with this discussion, please? 💔

[versed zenith]

yes

[drowsy plank]

okay actually true

this is whip convo

it's pointless

[versed zenith]

exactly

[median scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/salami-salamander-lumerian-gif-25839987

Salaminder

[glass arch]

its explicitly banned in pins

fuckin wifi

[drowsy plank]

lol

[median scaffold]

Heya

[versed zenith]

even calamity owners know that calamity whips are f up

i got one question tho

[median scaffold]

Go ahead, ig?

[glass arch]

the convos are always pointless and never lead anywhere thus they are banned

[versed zenith]

why does rouge get a nuke that deleates things so early on with its dps

[median scaffold]

The only thing I want from rebalanced summoner is more whip focused armors 🙏

[median scaffold]

What

[echo leaf]

Because DPS is a terrible metric that you should completely ignore

[glass arch]

yeah

[echo leaf]

Rogue has unusually high DPS, but that's okay because it also has unusually low DPS

[glass arch]

dps sucks as a measuring tool

[versed zenith]

I mean that it shreds things

[echo leaf]

[median scaffold]

Rare DPS

When does legendary DPS drop?

[echo leaf]

Clearly this user has never witnessed the majesty of true melee....

[glass arch]

i mean. every class not named mage also has this

[echo leaf]

33% chance from Aquatic Scourge

[echo leaf]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx1MhS1XiXHAbAdRLdl2089b8JuSs21iMt

[median scaffold]

Mage has Glorious' End, so even special kids have toys for them

[versed zenith]

rouge randomly gets INSANE dmg and other times it cant hurt a miniboss

[median scaffold]

Jackpot!

[glass arch]

is gend even that good

i genuinely dont know

[median scaffold]

A second

[echo leaf]

Because rogue is pretty unbalanced within its own class

[tropic yoke]

No

[glass arch]

insert moonstone crown gif

[echo leaf]

Work is being done now to improve it, and more work will be done in the future to improve it further-er

[median scaffold]

Here, Doobie

Casual SS

[glass arch]

ye i saw

[versed zenith]

also i wana ask why does summoner get 9 debbuffs on enemies post ml

[echo leaf]

Sub-20 Destroyer again

[echo leaf]

nucleogenesis components

[median scaffold]

Nucleogenesis line 💔

[glass arch]

summoner™️

[versed zenith]

hes giving the bosses cancer

[echo leaf]

Yes that's what Sickness debuffs are

[glass arch]

sickness debuffs give bosses ebola

cancer is typeless

[median scaffold]

Plague is sickness, so... uhh

[drowsy plank]

god i forgot about ebola

thanks for taking me back to like 2016 or whenever that happened jacob

[median scaffold]

What

[drowsy plank]

there was that big ebola outbreak in africa and for some reason people in 2016 thought it was the funniest thing ever which is insane looking back at it and kept bringing it up

[median scaffold]

Imagine if corona become a meme
...wait, it did, somewhat, didn't it?

[drowsy plank]

in a way yes

[glass arch]

ur welcome for the blast to the past

9 years ago

[drowsy plank]

i hated every second of remembering this

there will be a pipe bomb in your mailbox tonight

[glass arch]

put it in marvs that way we can destroy the Machine

[drowsy plank]

that's true

[grim tusk]

Measuring in dps is inaccurate, inconsistent and innefficient

Thats why we use killtimes

[echo leaf]

Exactly!

[grim tusk]

Did people forget we are rebalancing summoner from the ground up and removing crit tag?

[echo leaf]

Like when Submarine Shocker had 36 DPS for fifteen seconds straight even in spite of double rippers!!! Bad weapon!!!!!!!!!!

[drowsy plank]

lo

[versed zenith]

thers a mod that fixes dps meter and ads a proper dummy that measures all stats of the atack

[versed zenith]

i wana kiss the person that came up with that idea

[drowsy plank]

you can say it fixes DPS meter but that doesnt actually mean it fixes DPS as a metric for balance

[versed zenith]

true

[echo leaf]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxwUMvuqrJZFGcBYPSsrtcwBwopUg5NKUF

[grim tusk]

Dummy testing is hot garbage regardless of how the dummy works

You test on bosses

[versed zenith]

it mesures the dmg u deal to it and displays it

[echo leaf]

Yes that's how the DPS meter works too

[versed zenith]

nah thats demage per second

[echo leaf]

[versed zenith]

i mean it takes literaly how much dmg you dealt to it (ever) and displays it

[median scaffold]

That's... also not a good metric

[versed zenith]

and some other things added

[echo leaf]

You don't need a mod to tell you that either

[versed zenith]

measuring how long you need to kill a boss with a weapon is not really a good meter too

[grim tusk]

Better than dps as it takes the pattern, defense, dr, mobility and is a good metric of how the weapon is intended to perform on its respective tier

[echo leaf]

That's the best metric. Killtimes is ideal since better weapons can kill bosses faster- shrimple

[drowsy plank]

the only time boss kts fall short is if there's major event or miniboss on tier that might not be accounted for

[indigo yacht]

@misty sinew fucked up and evil suggestion
i will say that calamity does add random grindy stuff, checking under the dedicated content section is a good way to find some of it

[frail fox]

Real suggestion

[indigo yacht]

would fixing whip tooltips to reflect the multiplicative damage values be a suggestion or a bug report

a suggestion i guess
#suggestions-voting message

[misty sinew]

There always could be more :P i am one of those who like to do stupid grinds. less drop chance, better for me

[indigo yacht]

💔 do a playthrough with every drop at a 10k chance

[misty sinew]

But i will check dedicated content section, lets see if i find something i did not know yet

[median scaffold]

That is more so an oversight, ig

[lucid marsh]

Weirdly you'd think DPS would equate to killtime

If you didn't know about all the bizarre mechanics that make it not do that

[golden sonnet]

It would if you had the exact same dps throughout the whole fight

[lucid marsh]

This is true, but in that case, average DPS across a fight should work

[errant wren]

that would be an even more inconsistent metric i feel, especially for bosses with multiple hitboxes like exo mechs or with minions like scal in those phases

you wouldn't even have to worry about dps if we're strictly talking about kill time

[lucid marsh]

I guess so

[dense ravine]

we were literally learning about ebola in biology once and some dickheads were joking about it

like in the midst of discussing the catastrophic effects it can have on a population

[golden sonnet]

on the one hand I understand people often use humor as a coping mechanism and I myself often make light of things I struggle with, on the other hand there's a pretty clear between making light of something to cope and all the shit I've seen about the california fires and ebola and stuff

[dense ravine]

yea its literally just making fun of

they arent coping

[lucid marsh]

Can confirm, many, maybe most people suck

[cold cosmos]

Yeah I've heard some people make jokes out of topics that really shouldn't be joked about

[olive saddle]

this is an incredibly small suggestion

[indigo yacht]

my biome spread suggestion has more votes than my jump set bonus suggestion

[oblique otter]

cue dog death animation and you just see a plushie drop from it's gore

[grave zinc]

@novel belfry - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Replace the Zenith's material swords with their Calamity upgrades.]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@glass arch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Sea Urchin]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[olive saddle]

i have a feeling this will get denied

zenith is the vanilla sword

[novel belfry]

agreed

[drowsy plank]

100% denied but it's already through so it's just a waiting game

also lmao

2 suggestions

[golden sonnet]

A whopping 6 in that batch

[drowsy plank]

oh?

[glass arch]

wow.... not surprised at all

(actually kinda am but if there were only 6 it makes sense

[ripe owl]

Sugg posting is dying

The end of an era...

[golden sonnet]

the real suggestions endgame is everything good being known

then there will be peace

[drowsy plank]

real

[olive saddle]

then why did you suggest it????

a point against your suggestion
"yea i agree"
???????????

[glass arch]

the sugg is more of a fuck it why not lets ball

[wicked bolt]

i can save it

[vestal crater]

I love fuck it why not we ball suggestions

[median scaffold]

Wii ball??1!1!1!1

[vestal crater]

Wii?!?!

[median scaffold]

"Insert Wii Sports Resort theme"

[drowsy plank]

the suggestion of all time

[median scaffold]

@hollow yoke
What are you talking about?

[hollow yoke]

They just kinda spawn, and quickly disappear. Something like a smooth fade out would go a long way.

Maybe they break into a bunch of particles, idk. Just something more than just vanishing.

[median scaffold]

Okay, sure. This is an idea
But you focus on the execution part insted of making an argument for why it should be done in the first place

[echo leaf]

Rework your suggestion to describe the problem, why it’s a problem, why fixing it is necessary, and how fixing it would improve the game

[indigo yacht]

never gonna be able to un notice that now

well, i did know about the damage ones, but since soul of cryogen and void of calamity both suck i never saw them and forgot

[neat linden]

it's a smol yet incredibly annoying detail

[indigo yacht]

the obvious solution is to remove both accessories entirely for being shit

[median scaffold]

Vanilla also have this kind of inconsistency, I think

Or, at least, the Russian translation

[indigo yacht]

they probably both do tbh

[neat linden]

en vanilla might have the same issues idunno

actually nah there's another stupid thing I noticed

[sand marlin]

Appearing after nearly a week away from sugg disc to remind you that tooltip inconsistencies belong in #1052323733961977947

[neat linden]

is it a bug if it's an inconsistency and not incorrect data

[median scaffold]

Navis on their way to make an entire post dedicated to every fucking SINGLE mistake made in Calamity:

[median scaffold]

Oversight tag in question:

[indigo yacht]

ooh, I've got one: i call it the "melee class"

[gilded citrus]

Thats vanilla

[sand marlin]

Oh I'm not debating whether it is or not, I just know it is to be directed there whenever it's brought up. I don't remember why that was but you can probably just ask Shade

[indigo yacht]

[median scaffold]

...tbh, I wouldn't argue with you, but Vanilla Terraria isn't about deep mechanics, sadly

Except summoner, who got its depth mechanics (whip stacking and minion maxxing) due to an oversight and need

[neat linden]

would be quite lovely if that was mentioned anywhere in sugg rules or bug report pins

[sand marlin]

@grim tusk are tooltip inconsistencies still directed to #1052323733961977947 and if so, should I ask Rover about mentioning it somewhere on sugg rules since people go here first?

[grim tusk]

yes, they fall on visual/harmless low priority

unless its something like “give details about x”

altho this specific types are best on #suggestions-posting

this is a very broad consistency issue and not a small one

[sand marlin]

alright

[neat linden]

semi related but an accessory not mentioning one of its features in the tooltip at all would go to bug reports, right?

partially related to the suggestion but seems far more oversight-like cause flame-licked shell doesn't mention its searing lava immunity

[grim tusk]

that one is in fact a #1052323733961977947 thing

[royal tapir]

Why is this a suggestion, you should've just asked me to do it

[neat linden]

I meannn suggestions are technically kinda sorta indirectly asking devs to do something if the suggestion gets votes

(((it didn't cross my mind at all

[hollow shell]

Hi sorry I'm late

Is summoner still in the same "we can't do anything whip-related because we want to rebalance the class" state that it was in since...
Calamity ported to Journey's End?

[median scaffold]

As far as I know, yes. Summoner is yet to be rebalanced and whips are planned, we even have some WIPs, but that's about it

[hollow shell]

If a dev requests that I add that then I'll add that, but
I wanna make sure there are plans and not Plans™️

Similar deal to suggestions regarding the post-DoG holiday moons

I don't wanna prevent anyone from making suggs about something now because the devs will do something about it in the nebulous and/or distant future

(the 1.4 port was two and a half years ago)

[gilded citrus]

iirc summoner rebalance coming sso2 and i think we may have seen sprites of some cal whips

So i think its currently sooner then later that whips get added but uh, dev opinion better im just guessing

[royal tapir]

We got someone questioning the grammar of Hide of Astrum Deus' tooltip before someone questioning why Hide of Astrum Deus grants immunity to Cursed Inferno

[sand marlin]

True

[median scaffold]

Wait, it does that?

[royal tapir]

Anyway I just changed a bunch of tooltips for consistency like what the suggestion pointed out

[violet zephyr]

Yes.

[median scaffold]

Okay, why

[spice stream]

because funny

[violet zephyr]

Because...

the hide is

fire-proof?

I think?

[royal tapir]

Not anymore

[violet zephyr]

How am I going to be able to tank if Hide of Astrum Deus doesn't protect me from On Fire!?

[royal tapir]

So tragic that there aren't like 15 other accessories that grant immunity to On Fire

[violet zephyr]

A small amount.

[hollow shell]

Epic, thank you

We could let the sugg hit voting and flag it instantly I suppose

[drowsy plank]

im going to do this if you dont once it gets into voting @royal tapir

[whole tundra]

It's kind of funny how little suggestions there were in that week, which caused only 2 to enter the dev server

[olive saddle]

my $50 steam gift card...

[median scaffold]

It was 30$, actually (I think)

[olive saddle]

steam giftcard $51.22

insert hyperlink disguised as a link shorter
-# discord keeps making banger features for more people to get scammed

[hollow shell]

(That was the 4th compromised account today. And we still got more day left.)

[olive saddle]

thank you discord for this awesome feature

i heard in a video that it was rolled out to partners early and literally everyone opposed it but discord being dumb and boneheaded still went through with it

and now its the main way people get scammed

[violet zephyr]

Totally not a Rick Roll

[indigo yacht]

let me click on this not disingenuous link

[indigo yacht]

ive got bad news

[glass arch]

wtf ip grabber?!

[errant wren]

oh no elsi's gonna spam us with 30$ steam cards

[indigo yacht]

nope, just lost my dignity

[olive saddle]

thirsty dollar steam giftcard: 20.33
thirt9 dollar gift steam card: 20

i gav eup

[sleek turret]

ADOBE GRATIS 2026

[drowsy plank]

ur giving me flashbacks

[hollow shell]

Technically still malicious because you didn't remove the ?si= tracker from the link.

Anyone who clicked on that is getting tied to you in Google's profile network

[crude geode]

god

[sleek turret]

Big Google is watching

[hollow shell]

(That's quite literally their business model.)

[sleek turret]

True!

[errant wren]

we live in a society

[sleek turret]

You should install anti tracker extensions though

ClearURLs extension should be good

[olive saddle]

thanks for the recomemndatrion

[hollow shell]

☝️

I'm getting kinda loaded with extensions but I won't pass up improved privacy

[sleek turret]

There's a lot of security/privacy extensions

Stuff like Privacy Badger, LocalCDN, etc etc

[olive saddle]

i love me some adblockers

[sleek turret]

uBlock Origin

[olive saddle]

of course wiki.gg redirect

[olive saddle]

i have adblock and ublock

[novel belfry]

ublock the goat

[tropic yoke]

#suggestions-posting message Goated ass suggestion lmao

[stark locust]

It’s ok ig

[tropic yoke]

"Fix ur grammar"

[indigo yacht]

technically the real brain is slightly more opaque than the clones at all times

I don't think adding a visual indicator would fix anything though

"band-aid fix", i think is how people refer to such as

[verbal jasper]

i see, i think it should do the approach bh wall of flesh has then imo

At least a flash to tell which one is the real one

[tropic yoke]

I’ve always loved the dupe brains

[verbal jasper]

i do like the dupe brain concept but i think it should be reasonable

[indigo yacht]

better, but i think that's still just trying to fix a fundamentally flawed boss
i guess that's beyond the scope of the suggestion though.

[tropic yoke]

Also, just jump around and dash, the reptile part of your brain can usually tell which brain the dupes would be copying

They move twice as fast

[indigo yacht]

the issue isn't so much visuals as it is reaction time

[verbal jasper]

unfortunate yeah

[tropic yoke]

Idk

[verbal jasper]

^

there is so much that can do

[indigo yacht]

i was agreeing with what you said btw

[tropic yoke]

Idk I’ve never been stumped on BoC

[indigo yacht]

an indicator wouldn't do anything because you already can do it yourself pretty easily, you just don't have much time to react

[tropic yoke]

What about an encroaching fog

Like astrageldon’s desperation phase

But tuned to pre-hm

[verbal jasper]

could work

[median scaffold]

I think this suggestion is a little bit too long for what it's trying to convey, but I don't disagree with its idea

[indigo yacht]

the main issue i have with boc is just the blood shot

although that's a master death specific thing

in exdeath there's only like a third as much so it's way easier to dodge and you (probably) don't get undodgeable patterns

[grave zinc]

@neat linden - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove inconsistencies from several tooltips]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

I flagged this since you said you already took care of it

[indigo yacht]

lol

peak

[drowsy plank]

im not letting suggestions like this rot in voting anymore, and i brought it up in #dev-mod-corner so if it becomes a problem i hope people will just tell me lmao

[errant wren]

wow that sugg passed fast

devs must've really liked it

[whole tundra]

Imagine being flagged so fast that it doesn't even reach #suggestions-voting

[neat linden]

fastest flag in history

well okay maybe not fastest but shush up

[drowsy plank]

i mean sometimes i want to just ❗ something if a dev says they just added it but it's still in posting bc usually they forget to flag it

but now im just taking it upon myself to do these things so that actually interesting votes can get in

[whole tundra]

I once had a suggestion get flagged in #suggestions-posting within 30 minutes. The thing was already fully made but the devs forgot to implement it

[neat linden]

I mean technically speaking

the time between suggestion and creation was negative

[royal tapir]

🏁

[gilded citrus]

Ong calamity scales above time with this!
-# i am joking, i aint dumb

[errant wren]

cal powerscaling is crazy

[royal tapir]

Time for you to go to bed

[errant wren]

i just woke up

[sand marlin]

It's true I am doing this Soon™️ it's in my Plans™️

[gilded citrus]

-# xeroc aint even planet level

[dense ravine]

i am

[errant wren]

(i mean, can we really say that when exo mechs exist?)

anyways i'm getting off topic

not... that there's new suggs to discuss

[gilded citrus]

Yeah?
The highest feat is scal boiling half a sea (like low country) and due to that being over time she doesnt equal it and exos rival her

-# and lore writers said xeroc cant iirc

@errant wren #lore-discussion message

[errant wren]

that's actually hilarious

and pretty sad

[gilded citrus]

The story would fucking snap in half if provi or anyone else below xeroc and noxus could just nuke even a single continent

[errant wren]

this is fair

but also really funny

[gilded citrus]

-# also how do the exo mechs change anything…

[errant wren]

(i mean i was under the assumption that being able to send out that many explosions would be pretty damaging to a country but i guess they're not even capable of bringing down that much if the biggest feat is boiling half of an ocean)

[gilded citrus]

Ah fair

Also a sea is much smaller then a ocean

Sea is a few km big and a ocean is continent sized

[errant wren]

ehhh i always get them confused

[lucid marsh]

A story is poorly written if characters are strong enough to do something but don't. If everyone could destroy the world, the world would already be destroyed

[gilded citrus]

Fair

[gilded citrus]

Especially when dog, yharim, scal(when young) and providence were walking around

[errant wren]

that argument usually hinges on if the person wants to destroy the world or if they want to rule it

not that i think yharim could destroy the world just like that at this rate

[hollow shell]

(Not sure if the former is true
You can definitely write interesting dynamics with characters who intentionally withhold or restrict their power)

[errant wren]

that is the basis of some dragon ball fights, actually

[gilded citrus]

While true calamity does have multiple characters who would end the world or tried

And yharim would have ended more then just 15-20% of all sapient life in the crusade

[hollow shell]

The White Lady from Hollow Knight came to mind actually

or uhhh
well there are several examples in The Wandering Inn but they'd be spoilers

[lucid marsh]

Sometimes yes but there's another factor: sure, you can explain a few characters being that way, but then existing usually means the rules of the world allow people to reach that level of power, which means that you have to account for lots of other people too

[gilded citrus]

Fovos has tried and nearly succeeded, and noxus may try in the future

But thats ending life

Not planet go boom

[hollow shell]

Also not necessarily true because the dynamics of one or a few entities reaching that power can prevent others from reaching their level

(Also, the real world
And we could have nuked the world decades ago, and there are plenty of countries with the bombs to start it,
but we're all still around )

[echo leaf]

which suggestion is this discussion

[lucid marsh]

This only works, barely, because destroying the world is detrimental to the people in power too

...I don't know

Oops

[gilded citrus]

Offtopic oops

[lucid marsh]

Wrong channel I guess

[hollow shell]

I think Dark Souls could be an example of this
There's only 4(?) primordial flames. First come first serve, there were 4 gods.

and yeah whoops lol

[errant wren]

sorry

i started this

[gilded citrus]

Tbf i am also kinda to blame

[echo leaf]

the lore has breached containment!!

[gilded citrus]

Not the first time

[tropic yoke]

Where'd I make a server suggestion?

Feel like a VC without streaming would be nice

[olive saddle]

mdomail

[odd geyser]

nah no way they had a powerscaling discussion in this channel

And it was mid as hell too like always

[median scaffold]

Balatro wins everyone, anyways

[odd geyser]

Maccao would destroy tho

[median scaffold]

Can your dragon get naninf on ante 10? It sure does not

[odd geyser]

that's not even a dragon you stpuid...

Acting like yo verse aint King Von (1 cursed finger) victim is crazy

[frail mantle]

☹️

[nimble totem]

#suggestions-voting message

I know I'm late to this, but I think the Martian Madness event would be a perfect candidate

• Currently unchanged from vanilla, even post SCal
• Post-ML provides the exodium+luminite planetoids

[echo leaf]

That's a good idea

I completely forgot about martian madness

[errant wren]

oh that's the one i contributed to

i think the discussion did eventually go to where event content would be ideal

[indigo yacht]

i stand by this

[errant wren]

remove cal bosses, make calamity a fishing overhaul mod and rename it to clamity

[grave zinc]

@muted cradle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Decrease the auric ore amount in the auric bar recipe]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Cryonic Ore to the Ore Shimmer Chain]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Have Cryonic Ore Generate at the Start of Hardmode]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@echo leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Consider Wet entities or those submerged in water or honey resistant to Heat debuffs]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[echo leaf]

[frail fox]

Good suggestions passed

[drowsy plank]

yay

[indigo yacht]

see you in hell ravager

[median scaffold]

Ravager? More like Ravagone!

[indigo yacht]

calamity renaissance

[grave zinc]

@novel belfry - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Replace the Zenith's material swords with their Calamity upgrades.]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[novel belfry]

who coulda forseen this decision

[hollow shell]

(Will this affect Low% and/or NoWoF%, I wonder?)

(Makes it so getting Scoria on its own is enough for Life Alloy...)

[unborn stream]

okay i think this suggestion has merit but i probably need to be,, less salty when typing it lol

Make Skynamite stop at the cursor's position when thrown

Until recently, I had never even heard of skynamite, a craftable explosive that hovers in midair before exploding. That seems extremely useful, especially for clearing out background walls, but after trying it myself, I now understand why nobody talks about it. It's practically impossible to aim.

When thrown, skynamite flies towards the direction of the cursor, and stops at a set distance for a moment before exploding there. I think this is very awkward to handle. In fact, if thrown directly up or down, it goes ofscreeen before exploding. Sure, perhaps having a consistent distance it travels before exploding sounds like it would be intuitive, but in practice, it just makes it feel really clunky to aim.

I think it would be much more intuitive if the skynamite would instead fly to the cursor's location when thrown, hover there for a moment, and explode there. Then it would be an actually relevant method of clearing large amounts of background walls especially, since you could just click on a tile and it would explode on that tile.

[hollow shell]

A fine suggestion

[sand marlin]

🔥

[hollow shell]

Just make sure that body length fits within the character limit

[median scaffold]

Most likely both, I think

[rose cloud]

i mean

dont u get alloys from ravager

[fleet grotto]

ravager also has cores so he is still necessary

[indigo yacht]

i don't feel like there's an implementation of this that works

if you do it for too short, nothing changes

if you do it for too long, you just fly through the shards

it's not an attack like... crabulon's mushroom rain where it starts from down low and flies up to rain back down, it sorta appears already at the apex

[unborn stream]

oh you're right this could probably be exploited pretty easily huh

[unborn stream]

not quite at the apex tho, importantly

there is still a period of time where the shards move up

[indigo yacht]

i mean like they spawn right below the apex so they fall a lot slower

i think

[distant gyro]

i feel like the solution to this is a telegraph for the crystal when it is about to shoot

[sand marlin]

I think you can just give the crystal a glow telegraph or something and that'd be it yeah

[indigo yacht]

night providence epileptic seizure warning

[distant gyro]

well im sure you know better when you fight enraged prov

[unborn stream]

that could work yeah

main concern is there's already so much going on in the fight lol

[indigo yacht]

eh, only magma globs and the current attack

and nighttime would be unchanged since it's extremely predictable

[unborn stream]

the homing flames from the holy blast attack tend to get me a lot

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Have Cryonic Ore Generate at the Start of Hardmode]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[royal tapir]

Minor trolling

[gilded citrus]

Why did it pass and fail

[drowsy plank]

????????

i assume it probably broke something

[drowsy plank]

so what exactly happened here, if i can ask?

[dense ferry]

CIT did it and didn't account for the lagspike after WoF

I brought it up alongside the other issues I did before and Ozz also mentioned that the lagspike is so close to crashing the game that we really cannot do it

[drowsy plank]

figured

this is why cryonic should simply work like chloro-

[dense ferry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/704694434964439071/1284577245796634675/cat_gets_splash_stupid_idot.gif

[royal tapir]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466943505663655937/1083946998614470748/1678391318329531.gif

And also it contradicts lore

[gilded citrus]

So it was implemented then de inplemented

[worthy lintel]

would anyone notice if cryonic ore was shadow deleted

[tired haven]

Maybe if frigid wasnt shadowdeleted before it

[echo leaf]

I plan to suggest DS be immune to debuffs and have its resistance to true melee removed
Is that something to put here or in balance reports

[frail fox]

Balance thread probably since you can show how dumb debuffs are more with tests if you want, also should be noted that DS (and also Crab’s) true melee resists are being cut in half next update (50%->25%)

[drowsy plank]

cryonic dying outright would be funny but also snow does not need less content rn

deerclops doesnt count

[frail fox]

Cryonic post-deerclops is coming

[drowsy plank]

[frozen hornet]

Finally deerclops being useful

I used to pray for times like this

[echo leaf]

Okay good

The true melee resists on those two are MISERABLE

[drowsy plank]

lol

[sand marlin]

Complete debuff immunity would be really dumb, if there's a problem you can just increase the worm debuff resistance

[echo leaf]

A few worms have complete debuff immunity and a few don’t

Although in this case it’s more of an issue with the combination of Riptide and Water vulnerability than this rare genetic disease…

[drowsy plank]

abyssal amulet moment

just give a small resistance to riptide to DS so amulet doesnt make him explode if this is a problem

[royal tapir]

I already decreased the true melee resist months ago

[indigo yacht]

LOL

[hollow shell]

... Can't delay the generation or something?

[dense ferry]

We already do it with the Astral Meteor and it's just like, a very minor improvement

[hollow shell]

Make it happen like 20 seconds later (20 in-game minutes)?

[dense ferry]

If we figure out how to solve the load in general it might happen

[hollow shell]

How long does the main lagspike last

[dense ferry]

Idrk but I know it's enough to crash lower end servers consistently and any more load onto it might just make it crash period

[hollow shell]

I don't want, like
defeatism to prevent this from happening

The lagspike ends at some point. If Cryonic Ore needs to generate 10 minutes later then so be it

[indigo yacht]

would moving cobalt and palladium to the first two demon altars you break (sort of like vanilla just with both t1 instead of one of each 1-3, then the souls after) help with the lag at all

[dense ferry]

Probably would

Though the main problem is the Hallow and Evil Biome spawn

[indigo yacht]

i see

hardmode is already kinda slow in vanilla so i assume all the modded stuff on top of that is the issue

[dense ferry]

And those can't be delayed for obvious reasons

[hollow shell]

Yes and you can...
you can make it not gen during that...

[dense ferry]

It's really easier said than done, the Astral Infection meteor iirc still took a while to properly iron out. At the end of the day the lagspike is something we will definitely attempt to fix later down the line, and once we do, we'll probably revive this discussion

[drowsy plank]

honestly if people are messing with early hardmode gen, it could also be a decent time to look into this anyway too;
#suggestions-discussion message

[novel belfry]

the world if Astral Infection was a post-ml thing instead of spawning alongside the other evils:

[drowsy plank]

ur honestly true

[novel belfry]

it would fit so much better, plus it'd make post-moon lord have something actually distinct from hardmode

its functionally not different from hardmode aside from being after moon lord

[frail fox]

What is this image lmao

Calamity in 2029

[indigo yacht]

i dont believe you

[fleet grotto]

terraria 1.6 jungle biome

[drowsy plank]

ive seen people ask for her spawn rate to get changed a lot in other stages of progression but this is a new one

[median scaffold]

Oh, right

I need to redo that one Aquatic Heart suggestion I've made

[verbal jasper]

I agree with this heavily

[median scaffold]

@flint moth
Oh, actually, I think the summoning item is planned

[flint moth]

That's huge

Was about to pull down the suggestion anyways because I discovered it was an issue with having a hallowed beach

[golden sonnet]

a summoning item is planned for after you defeat it initially

[median scaffold]

Well, that's a bummer

[frosty trellis]

I mean defeating it initially isn't that hard to make it spawn

Has no one here heard of a zerg potion?

And all the crazy cal weapons that kill mobs in 2 frames?

[sleek turret]

True actually

Literally 2024

[echo leaf]

It's also possible that they weren't farming it properly and therefore made it never spawn

[tardy geyser]

So true, levianas summon item is zerg potion

[coral carbon]

but.. lucy ,, 🥹

[olive saddle]

lucy

[coral carbon]

once i establish my theocracy i will through you in my DUNGEON, and let you rot for eTERNIT-

[median scaffold]

Axe of Regrowth 💔

[coral carbon]

the axe of regrowth doesnt LOVE you though

[median scaffold]

It is made out of a literal rose, so there's that

[olive saddle]

i hate lucy for this

like shut the fuck up you're an axe

[median scaffold]

Who's the beaver guy, I forgot 💔

[olive saddle]

woody

[median scaffold]

Well, he has a connection to the axe because it is literally his wife, but if you love the axe, that is a weird "hear me out"

[crude geode]

“I also choose this guy’s dead wife”

[median scaffold]

Well, this is still better than many other internet crushes in the eyes of many adults, I would assume...

[arctic barn]

idea: make it so when you hold out a permanent health upgrade, you can hold them out like this sprite.

the right one is vanilla elderberry btw

also make other foods have a "holding out" sprite as well

and alcohol items too

[median scaffold]

Counterpoint: we need sprites 💔

[arctic barn]

idk if your allowed to on baguette since its a donator item

sad

:(

[median scaffold]

Yeah, nothing really stops this from being true, but lack of sprites

[olive saddle]

life fruit doesnt have this

nor does life crystals

they're permanent powerups, not food

[median scaffold]

Actually, I didn't know this

Neat

[olive saddle]

im not sure about the bread

i think its a food item

[median scaffold]

Yes

[indigo yacht]

i had to use Titan Heart for the first time recently and wow i understand this completely now

the hurt sound is so obnoxiously quiet

i kept having to glance up at my healthbar to see if I'd taken damage

[royal tapir]

Wow this suggestion makes no sense

If it’s hard to recognize the hurt sound, then we just make it louder?

[worthy lintel]

toggle hell

[drowsy plank]

this is true

[hollow shell]

They can be both

[sleek turret]

True

[hollow verge]

arent gfb suggestions banned

[hollow verge]

i would back the sugg if it was "this sfx sucks and i dont think we should be forced to use it" honestly

trying to claim it's too quiet is funny bc it's honestly not. and it's pretty easy to notice "oh this sound keeps happening when im hit, and im not hearing normal hurt sounds"

[sleek turret]

This would be so funny

[thin hazel]

familiar hurt sound vanity accessory

better idea than config

[median scaffold]

Not entirely

@harsh hollow
Joke suggestions are not allowed by rules

[harsh hollow]

that counts as a joke suggestion?

[median scaffold]

Yes

[errant wren]

"it would be funny" unfortunately is not valid reasoning

[median scaffold]

Either way, you have no reasoning besides "funny"

[harsh hollow]

Is for the getfixedboi idk

[median scaffold]

Yes

Even for GFB, you need valid reasoning

[harsh hollow]

oh srry

deleted

[errant wren]

it would be funny, but yeah

[median scaffold]

GFB is a meme seed, yeah, but if every GFB related suggestion would be added, it would be... a nightmare, to say the least

[harsh hollow]

Understandable

but fr i only look that funny like i dont know for what reason only i would be funny

[median scaffold]

JFL jumpscare

[drowsy plank]

there's no way this is 1000 words

characters